Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Joe Rogan Podcasts Tucker Carlson Breakdown | Kona Blue Aliens and UFOs

Episode Date: April 22, 2024

In this episode, we delve into the captivating conversation between Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson on the latest Joe Rogan Podcast, where they explore intriguing topics like aliens, Kona Blue, spiritual forces, and Alex Jones. With a plethora of information to dissect, Rogan and Carlson engage in a thought-provoking debate, probing the origins of the UAP UFO phenomenon. Are these sightings products of advanced United States technology, or are they manifestations from a realm beyond our comprehension, hinting at the existence of spiritual forces? Join us as we unravel the mysteries and dive deep into this fascinating discussion. All of this and more on this episode of Joe Rogan Podcasts Tucker Carlson Breakdown | Kona Blue Aliens and UFOs

And welcome to Investigator podcast. I'm your host, Chad, alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry, on tonight's episode, we are going to be breaking down the Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson interview, where they go pretty deep into UFOs, aliens, spiritual beings. We're going to hear what Tucker Carlson has to say about this. Now, Tucker had had a past interview with the Nelk Boys, actually, which I thought was an amazing interview. Tucker, I believe, revealed a lot of things in that interview that he had never revealed on any

other podcast or news station or any other piece he's ever worked on. I felt like that interview was very well worth to watch. And I encourage all of you to go back and listen to us. But we're going to break down a lot of these key points that he talked about with the Nelp boys a few months ago. And then he also discusses him and Joe talk about Alex Jones later on in the show. Now, we're not going to break down the entire episode. You guys can go watch the entire episode. they talk about a little bit of everything. Obviously, you have someone like Joe Rogan, someone like Tucker Carlson, and obviously they're going to talk about a lot.

And then we're also going to tell you my thoughts. Sherry and I have listened to this entire episode. And there were things that we were just talking back and forth about, about things that I just felt like I got from this interview as far as my thoughts on Joe Rogan today versus Tucker. Right. And there's very stark. differences in the two.

Oh, absolutely, definitely. But Tucker, I absolutely love Tucker. And his laugh is just so joyful. I love his laugh. He's just so funny. He just makes me want to laugh when I hear him. Well, he's kind of like a, I think he's kind of like an Alex Jones, too, as far as just likability.

No matter what you think of Alex Jones, where do you think he's crazy or whatnot, if you watch Alex Jones enough or if you listen to him, just get freak out or, or, you Just say some of the crazy stuff he says. He's very likable. It's something that tracks people to him. Especially when he goes on tangents and gets mad in. He's like, God, and his face is turning red. And he's just about to explode.

He's like, you go, Alex. Yeah, it's crazy, man. And that's why I think so many people have been driven towards Alex. And then just so happens that Alex Jones has had so many things that have come true about all of his crazy wild conspiracy theories. Everyone said, hey, look, Alex Jones is one of the biggest conspiracy. theories on the face of the planet. And I think, guys, I don't know if you have noticed this, but, you know, during COVID and during the coronavirus, that's what they labeled everything.

That was true. Oh, this is a conspiracy theory. So definitely don't listen to that. And this is the experts say, you know, way that you should live your life from now. And by the way, don't take overmectin. Don't do this. You got to take this. And they ruled anyone that was against the narrative, against the mainstream agenda or

protocol for COVID and whatever else, they called anyone against that, well, crazy in lunatics and conspiracy theorists. These were, there's tag words. Yes, definitely. Alex Jones was the top that they called lunatic conspiracy theorists, but in my opinion, he might be a little psychic. Yeah, absolutely. I think he's got something going on that a lot of people don't have going on or he has

information that a lot of people don't have information to because he's been a lot of right, he's been right on. that you would have never thought he'd been right on. No, there's absolutely no question about that. But guys, welcome to the show. The name of that song, by the way, was Meet Me in the Dark by basics. There's a lot of people to always ask us what we either open or close with. So I'm trying to get better at telling everyone, whatever we open with, whatever we close with.

We did have a weekend off. We decided this weekend that we were just going to relax. We did not do a whole lot. We did shopping. We hung out out back. I mean, it's not like we did anything crazy. We didn't go on any crazy vacation. Sherry is obviously still recovering from her sinus surgery.

Still not at all completely better. You've got a lot of stuff still going on with your sinuses, but you are better in the terms of why you got the surgery to begin with. Yes. And not tomorrow, but the next day, I have to go get that awful, God, awful thing done again where they take a vacuum up your nose and suck all that stuff out. And it is not fun. And it does not feel good. I am dreading it. But I know I have to do it because it'll make me less nasely.

I just don't want to be nasly. So I'm ready to get all the junk out. Yeah, for sure. Yep, absolutely. And so, yeah, we just took the weekend to kind of relax. We had some great steaks. We cooked out some fillets and we had baked potatoes and hung out with the puppies and, you know, watch TV outside. We would watch some golf and movies.

And that's why we spent so much time getting our backyard, you know, kind of like this. Our backyard is kind of like a, not an arboretum. It's like an oasis. Yeah, like an oasis. It's like a botanical garden or something like that. We spend a lot of time. We don't have a stitch of grass in our backyard. And we've actually posted pictures of our backyard or our back area on our Facebook page, which, by the way, we do post a lot of our personal stuff or life stuff on our Facebook page. If you were ever interested in seeing any of that, go check out our Facebook. And we always post what is going on every single day on our X account. we really just stay we try to stay on as many stories on X as we possibly can so if you want to find out what is going on to the T every single day except for when we're trying to take a little time off

we don't post as much like the past couple of days but we still do post a lot so without further ado we are going to get into this interview now it's not going to obviously like I said we're not going to play the entire interview but we are going to play parts of this interview that are very important because, as I said, we have talked about this for seven years. We have done a ton of research. I have devoted so much of my time into trying to wrap my head around and research and study what the possibilities are as far as far as what are these things. Are these UFOs from another planet? Are they from another dimension? And I think that over the past seven years, we have learned so much that we have evolved in our understanding, I believe, of what these things are.

And I'm not saying that we have evolved, evolved in the way that we are believe in any and everything mainstream media says or what Tucker and Joe say. Because what you will find is that Tucker and Joe definitely have different, differing opinions. And then you have to ask yourself, who is possibly more right? Who would know more about the topic? Would it be Tucker or would it be Joe? And I want you to think about that as you listen to this. and we'll we'll kind of break that down as well. But then also they talk about something here called Kona Blue.

Now Kona Blue, we will talk about separately in this episode. But before we do any of that, let's go ahead and get right into the Joe Rogan Tucker Carlson interview. And it's not very, it's not crazy long they talk about the UFO stuff, but it's important. Make sure you listen to it. Even if you have heard this part before, we will break in intermittently throughout their conversation. So here you go.

The U.S. government just released apparently by accident, the Project Aqua stuff. Did you see this? No. What's that? This is crazy. Yeah, I guess we're rolling. Are we rolling? Yeah. No, no, no, you can. This is just someone just sent me this.

Project Aqua? Yeah, hold on. They just released, I think, by accident. How does that happen? It's Kona Blue. You familiar with this? No. Kona Blue is a

It was a program Yeah, dude I'm going to send this to Homeland Security Just release this Send it to me I'll send it to Jamie And No I got it right here I'll just take I don't do email or whatever

I don't know how to air drop anything You don't do email? No I haven't an email in many years Really? Yeah How do you exist? Do text

Wow, just text? Yeah. Yeah, I don't do email. I don't go on the fucking internet or on the TV. I'm not heard of that. But anyway. And by the way, guys, while they are getting this already because it takes a few minutes, I did want to point out something that what he's talking about here, Kona Blue, he says here that they released it by accident, right?

Kona Blue was released by accident. Don't know why I was released by accident, but it was released by accident. Now, I'm going to tell you exactly why I believe they released. Kona Blue not by accident on purpose because there was a lot of speculation and potential whistleblowers that were coming out and talking about Kona Blue and what it was really about. And so I have a theory on what Kona Blue actually is, which I think Kona Blue that was actually released according to everything I've seen on it so far. I've read through a lot of it.

I think it is a disinformation campaign, but no matter what, let's continue this. Findings, including but not limited to A, deaths and injuries as a result of interaction with advanced aerospace vehicles. Here it is. B, medical injuries as a result of other anomalies C, collateral injuries, psychological effects to family members. So they're admitting

that people are dying. It's just like a tweet from yes. Is this it? Yeah. What does that mean? Other information. Do you ever wonder if stuff like this is just disinformation? Yeah, maybe.

I mean, I wonder if I wonder a lot of things. I'm sure you do. But I always assume that a lot of this stuff is nonsense. Yeah. Here's what we know is that U.S. servicemen have died as a result of contact with or being the proximity of these vehicles. And we know that because there are a lot of suits working their way through the VA system.

Yeah? Where families, you know, can't get compensated. for the deaths or injuries to loved ones. Because it's all underwraps top secret. Well, that's just a fact, okay, that that is happening. So if there's, I guess, you know, when there are measurable physical effects of a phenomenon, we can say conclusively the phenomenon is real. Right.

And so, yeah. But isn't it, it is, I mean, I guess we're sort of past the point of like, is it real. Yeah, it's real. It's real in that there's these things that are. moving in very bizarre ways, and they have these propulsion systems that violate what we know about propulsion systems. Retrieving data across dimensional space time, develop remote viewing, comms, and countermeasures, determined baseline for physical transport across dimensional space time barrier, rapid response

medical teams for UFO interaction events. So how did they do this accidentally? study conscious interactions with and control of technology. So I got this from someone in the U.S. government who's, well, look, let me just start by saying, you know, I don't know anything. All right. I'm going to pause this here for just a second. I want to talk about briefly what Kona Blue actually is, right? So, Kona Blue is a program that some whistleblowers had, well, there were a lot of rumors around Kona Blue and what it actually was. What was the government doing?

Was this project real or not? Now, the Kona Blue files refers to a program that was alleged to investigate human consciousness anomalies. Okay. To retrieve and exploit non-human biologics and reverse engineer any extraterrestrial technology. Okay. So the key finding here or what the whistleblowers were talking about, and there were quite a few that have released this rumor mill and then come to find out Kona Blue was an actual real project, although I think they have emitted a lot of that section of human consciousness anomalies in the actual Kona Blue program. Instead, a report from the All Domain Anomily Resolution Office, are also known as Arrow, which was just published in March 8, 24, states that there is no verifiable evidence supporting these claims. The Arrow Report clarifies that Kona Blue was actually a $22 million program established in 2008 to assess aerospace threats on the horizon with no explicit mandate to research UFOs. the program was awarded to a private sector organization.

So by the way, the reason they do these private sector awards for contracts based on programs like this is because then they are not subject to FOIA request. They're not subject to the public opinion or prying. So when it goes into the private sector, it basically goes dark. And you will never find out anything else about it. There is no need to know from the public basis of any private. sector company. And by the way, that includes a company that is contracted by the government. There's a reason why that government uses contractors to begin with because they can get

away with a lot of shit that the government can't get away with because supposedly our government is held accountable by the people and their constituents or the politicians and their constituents. Although I think we know by now, if you saw yesterday's video of the House of proven the $95 billion bill to Ukraine. And the Democrats in the in the House were cheering. It was like a massive celebration. And they all had Ukrainian little flags in the United States Capitol building and cheering

this on. And everyone, as, as the, as American public watched in disbelief because our economy and our infrastructure and our society is collapsing, we have our politicians and a lot in large part, by the way. the Democrats in Congress and also in Senate holding little Ukrainian flags while we give away $95 billion, not just to Ukraine, but also Israel. And they also gave it away to, oh, Taiwan. Taiwan, yeah.

Yeah. So, you know, the reality is when they award private sector companies, a program like this, all they're doing is taking it dark. That is what dark means. And yes, they do have some segments of the government, obviously, are also dark segments or organizations or units in the government, like DARPA is definitely one of those. Although a lot of DARPA, a lot of their stuff they do kind of public facing, but there's a lot of it they do that no one knows about. But when you take it to the private sector, the private sector has no accountability.

And they have no reason to let the public know of anything they're doing whatsoever. So I think the reason why the government took Kona Blue to the private sector, was because it was leaked that they were studying the human consciousness anomalies, and they did not want that to get out. So it's very interesting. And also non-human biologics. Yeah, non-human biologics as well. Now, the error report clarifies that Conan Blue is actually a $20 million project and that the program was awarded to a private sector. The error report emphasizes that Kona Blue and related programs have been subject to pseudoscience.

claims, and it is critical to note that no extraterrestrial craft or bodies were ever collected. The report also highlights that the material related to these claims was only assumed to exist by Kona Blue advocates and its anticipated contract performers. The Arrow, oh, sorry, I don't know why this is doing that. Okay. Arrow has approached its review of Kona Blue and other topics with a wide aperture seeking conclusions based on verifiable evidence and a willingness to follow evidence. wherever it leads.

Now, what I'm telling you is the reason why I think this Kona Blue file dump was released is because they omitted things and they wanted to appear. Look, this is all Kona Blue is. We're not really looking for that much. But although if you hear what Tucker says here, well, they are actually talking about the injury. And, okay, people are dying. including with psychological injuries. Many servicemen have died, as Tucker said,

but a lot of the Cuner Blue report does say that psychological injuries have occurred in addition to potentially death. And we've talked about this on many other podcasts. There is actually a scientist, and I wish I can remember his name. He was actually a doctor, a brain doctor, that the servicemen were having to go to,

and I don't know if we're going to bring that up later. Yeah, Tucker's going to talk about it in a minute. But he's a brain doctor where these servicemen were harmed, physically harmed in the brain. And they could not get any kind of financial relief from the military because it happened while they're on duty. Yeah, and it was dark. It's a dark program.

Yeah. And they couldn't get any kind of insurance. They couldn't get any kind of money to help them with anything. And they were injured on the job in the military with these anomalies. Yeah. And their families were fighting for some type of support or help, which they got none of. And Tucker's going to go into this in a minute. But let's continue this.

Here you go. But he sent me this. The above is 100% legit. I was read into this program but told never to tell anyone. It's now been released. As you can see, it began as a result of my old program, AATIP. I signed a document saying I would never talk about Kono Blue in similar efforts. I can't believe that AARO would have released it.

You know. Yeah. I mean, here's what we do know is that there's enough going on. in the skies, but not just the skies underwater, that the U.S. military has been forced to respond to it. So, like, move aircraft from one place or another because there are too many of these objects in the sky. That's actually happy. Chris Mellon just wrote a long piece about it. So it's real.

The government is not controlling it. In fact, it's forcing the government DOD to respond. and we know that there is a real effort and has been underway for a long time to keep the public from knowing about it. But that's all known. That's established. I don't think any rational person would deny that. The question is like, what is it actually? I mean, now is sort of the point you have to ask, like, what is this?

And, you know, so that's the conversation. How much do you think is ours? Well, none of it's ours. None of it. Well, I don't know. I mean, clearly, you know, the U.S. government is huge. It's the largest human organization. There are, I think there are two million federal employees and another 10 million federal contractors, so who are effectively government employees but don't have civil service protection, for example. So that's 12 million people in a country of 340 million working for the federal government. So it's kind of hard to overstate how big the federal government is and how well funded. And so to say the government. this, the government that. No, of course, it's people within the government. But yeah, they're working on all kinds of things, obviously, that are classified. But in general, no, they can't control these objects.

So, no, it's not American technology. Well, or Russian or Chinese. It predates, you know, all of that. All right. So I want to stop here for a minute because this is where Joe and Tucker start dividing a little bit, right? You, you have Joe that is going to push the narrative really hard, which is interesting, but he's going to push the narrative really hard that a lot of what we're seeing, and a lot of all of this stuff we're hearing about is all our government. Reverse technology. Yeah, reverse technology. It is our craft. It is our special military program or weaponry that we just don't know exist. Now, is that possible? Absolutely. There's 100%.

there's 100% possibility that we have extraordinary weaponry that would defy anything that we could even potentially imagine but also there are things that these craft and these and these potentially beings or interdimensional beings do that it's just not possible for us to do at least what many experts claim or talk about um we've talked about many of the fighter pilots David Fravor, Ryan Graves. So many of them have also said, look, you know, I'm a fighter pilot. I've been flying fighter jets for many years. Obviously, Commander Fravor was a commander of his unit or his squadron, I guess I should say.

And even he was like, look, I know typically what part of my job is, is I have to know what our most advanced adversarial capabilities are against us. I mean, that is something that fighter pilot trained for on a regular basis. And not only do fighter pilots practice in the air dog fighting against whatever our best capabilities are, but they also get into simulators and practice on, especially nowadays, I just saw something the other day. They're doing AI simulations. So they'll put a real fighter pilot in a simulator. And then they will put that fighter pilot up against AI aircraft and see how far advanced AI aircraft is in comparison.

to a real fighter pilot because fighter pilots are, you know, although yes, very, very good, they're still emotional. They make human mistakes. They make human decisions. And so AI, as we roll a AI, it is going to be a battle against AI. It will eventually become a battle against computers. So instead of sending fighter pilots out with fighter jets to dogfight or to bomb something or whatever the case may be, you're going to have computers instantaneously making these decisions. Is that good or bad? In some cases, it's very bad because there are reports actually that Israel is use an AI to calculate some of their bomb drops and all this stuff in the war on Gaza, which was also a very interesting thing. They're already using AI in our battlefields all around the world. But when you think

about pilot capabilities versus AI. It's a whole other level. My point to this is, though, that a fighter pilot like Commander Fravor and Ryan Graves and these others, when they saw these craft, when they interacted with them,

when they saw their capabilities, they all said, I've never seen anything like this. I am in the military. I'm a fighter pilot. And I can tell you that if I thought this was possible from anything that the United States government possibly had,

I promised I would tell you, And so maybe you're telling me that there is a private sector that has somehow figured out a way to completely defy gravity. And it's not just gravity, but also defy the ocean. I mean, we're talking about some of these crafts and how fast they move, which we're not going to talk about that yet. Tucker will, but it's nuts. And there's obviously more to this story. Well, I think that in a way, both of them are right and both of them are wrong. You know, he's talking about basically what you're saying is Joe is going off.

it's more reverse technology. And Tucker is saying, this is not anything we have. This is something from somewhere else. But what if they're both right and they're both wrong? And what if it's AI from somewhere else? What if they're using their own AI? And talking about AI for just a minute, you know, it's very interesting to me that even Israel is using it because AI is new to us, but it's not new to governments.

Oh, absolutely. Right? It's been around for a long, long time. but we even think about the little glitch that happened with the chat, whatever it was, when they turned, you know. No, Gemini. That's Gemini, that's Google. But see, that's Google, though, because it's all based on what Google was inputting.

So if you have a bunch of woke programmers. So it made it woke, whatever. There was not even one white. It would not spit out any white person at all. You could say, show me Jesus. Show me George Washington. Show me a white lab. Or a yellow lab.

There'll be a black lab. Or whatever. This was a definite glitch in AI. So AI is not, it's not, well, it's the input they put in. So I'm just saying AI is not perfect because of the human being putting the input behind it. Absolutely. You can manipulate it. Yeah, depending on who's putting in the input is what the AI capabilities can be.

But anyways, my point is, is that, you know, fighter pilots, they definitely train on a daily basis of what their most dangerous or potentially dangerous adversary could be. And that is the responsibility of the United States government and taxpayers that pay the United States government to train our fighter pilots to know all of the most potentially advanced technology in the world. I mean, I'm talking about all of it. So if you think that the United States is the only one that could potentially have these drones or these highly advanced anomalous vehicles or whatever to help.

these things are, which Joe Rogan seems to kind of go more towards, if you think the United States is the only one that has that, that's crazy. Because we know, if you just look at China, for example, in my opinion, China is just as much on board with advancements in weaponry, technology, and everything, if not more than the United States of America. China is very far advanced in that realm. And so if the United States has something like that, I can almost guarantee you that. that China has something like that.

We know, for example, that Russia has weapons, the hypersonic weapons, the hypersonic missiles, they far outweigh the United States as far as how many hypersonic weapons that Russia has, especially nuclear-capable hypersonic missiles versus the United States. And so if we're saying that like our fighter pilots don't know anything about advanced technology that China may have or another country may have, we obviously know that our fighter pilots know is probably a lot more than you think they know. They know more than just, you know, hey, what is their top fighter jet or what is this? They know weaponry that the general public does not know.

And so when you have fighter pilots out here saying, I'm telling you that we do not know this type of technology in existence. We've never seen anything like this. We've never heard anything like this. And to our knowledge, there's no way possible that this exists, that this is ours, this is China, this is Russia, it's nobody's. And it's not just the United States that has expressed concerns about technology like this. China has expressed concerns.

Russia has many countries around the world. I know that Brazil and Peru and all these places are experiencing a phenomenon like never before. And not only are their military experience in this, they have for many years, but their Navy is experiencing this off the coast. they are seeing these things traverse from air to sea and see to air. And so it's just interesting to me how Joe kind of just goes more against the, I guess the consensus of what a lot of whistleblowers are coming out and saying, potentially what these things are.

And I think maybe there's a reason for that and we'll get into that. Yeah, I definitely think there's a reason why he's going against this narrative in particular. But we will definitely get into that. I hope because Joe kind of has changed when all that crap went down and he just about got canceled. That's when he's kind of changed a little bit and he's not like my favorite podcast or any more. Yeah. Well, he never really was my, well, I guess. I mean, I've always watched Joe.

I think he's had a lot of great interviews for sure. And I think we've both watched him and enjoyed a lot of his guests. But yeah, there's something. I mean, we've known he's changed and all that stuff. And I'm not saying that he's bad or anything else. No. It's just that it seems like he's really trying to push a narrative here against a particular thing. And by the way, this might just be his personal thing.

It could be. That is inside of himself of why he don't want to even think about some of the things Tucker's about to tell you right here. And we're going to break those down as soon as Tucker says him. Here you go. You know, all of that. Well, some of it does, right? Like, for sure, the Kenneth Arnold sightings, that was really early on. That was like the early 1950s.

He was seeing these flying saucers, these disks that were moving over mountains. Well, right. I mean, the prophet Ezekiel writes about it in the first chapter, wheels in the sky. Yeah, that's a crazy one. Boy, when you read that. Well, it is crazy. If you read it, it's like, oh, wow. Yeah.

And not just, you know, the Hebrew scriptures, like it's all over every. The Vedic text. Of course. So these are spiritual phenomenon. There's no evidence there from another planet. I mean, I think that's the op. That's the lie. that they're from Mars.

Look, space, the atmosphere is really well monitored, right? Both for military, for defense reasons, but also because it would be nice to know when asteroids are coming. And there's no evidence has never been any evidence that are lots of these objects, these vehicles coming into our atmosphere from somewhere else, some other planet. There's no evidence of that at all. So they're from here, and they've been here for thousands of years, whatever they are. and it's pretty clear to me that they're spiritual entities, whatever that means, are supernatural, which is to say supernatural means above the natural, above the observable nature.

And they don't behave according to the laws of science as measured by people, you know, and they've been here for a long time. And there's a ton of evidence that are under the ocean and under the ground. So like with that fact set, what do you conclude? When did you start having this opinion that they were spiritual and that they've always been here? When did this? Well, I didn't know anything about the topic until 2017. Was that after the New York Times piece?

No, it was before. It was before. And the things that I saw, I mean, I was and am still a very conventional person. I mean, I'm 54. I grew up in this country in California, which was like, like every assumption about. about America, I bought completely, just completely. And I thought that everyone who questioned those assumptions was bad. I just bought into the system completely without even thinking about it. And I imagined that I was like some kind of free thinker and, you know, I'm going against the grain.

But like my core assumptions were the, you know, the assumptions fed to me by the culture and the government. And I didn't even realize it. But anyway, I'd never really thought about UFOs at all. And I'd been in journalism since I was a kid. So of course, I'd run into a lot of people who had crazy views on a lot of different topics. UFOs, 9-11, circumcision, you know, like every whack job in the world you run into when you're covering stuff. Fluoride. Fluoride, right?

I just brushed with non-fluoride toothpaste this morning. Me too. Exactly. Exactly. But probably unlike you, I didn't have any opinions like that. I was like, fluoride, come on. You know, 9-11, shut up. Yeah.

UFOs. You're fucking crazy. You know what I mean? I just like I had this reflex. I'm ashamed of it. I'm not bragging about it. But it was, it was 2017. And really it was the Trump campaign. It wasn't that I was like so in love with Trump. Though I've always liked Trump because it was like hilarious and charming and all that. But I wasn't like a Trump or anything. But it was watching that campaign. And particularly his claim that they were spying on him. And I was like, really, the Intel Services and federal law enforcement, FBI, do not spy on presidential campaigns. Like, that's so out of the realm. That's so crazy. Like, that could never happen because, of course, there's no democracy in a system like that. And fundamentally, we're a democracy.

An imperfect one, it kind of lumbers along, you know, but like it's not fake. And then that turned out to be true. All right. I got to pause here for a second. I want to get into this based on what he just said a minute. And he's going to dig a little deeper in just a moment. But he goes back to Ezekiel with Will's in the same. sky, Genesis. I mean, you're talking about many chapters in the Bible. As equal. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, what I'm saying, also in Genesis and also many other occasions throughout the Bible. In Hebrew, it even talks about things that reference these anomalies, these phenomena, these UFOs, as we call them today. And, you know, one of the things Tucker said here was there's no evidence, at least from any whistleblower or anyone else, that we actually have seen these things come from another planet. the amount of satellites we have in space, number one, are absurd. Now, we're not saying that these craft or beings or whatever these things are can't go to space or have not been maybe captured in space. I mean, we've seen SpaceX that has been in space with cameras on their rockets that show something going by.

Not could be space junk or whatever, but there's been many occasions where we have seen anomalies in space through either rocket cameras. or otherwise where there's a lot of people that say, hey, what was this? Hey, what was that? What was this to pass the camera? But what I can tell you is that it seems like, at least, that most of these craft or beings or anomalies in the sky are not coming from space. It seems like they have always been here. They are either coming from the ocean or from the ground or thin air, actually.

No, really. They appear from thin ear sometimes. One minute they're there, the next minute they're gone. Yeah. They just appear. And Tucker- We've seen something like this as well. We have.

In one experience for sure. Oh, yeah. And Tucker's going to talk about this a little bit more, but it is so true that their ability to appear and disappear. And he's like, well, it makes him wonder, do they want us to know they're there? Do they want to be visible? Or do they not want to be visible? because I'm sure if they don't want to be visible to us, they wouldn't be visible to us.

Yeah. They have that capability. Absolutely. So that is very, I feel like Tucker's right that if they want us to see them, we see them. And that's why we do see them. So they appear to be invisible when they want them to be. Yeah, absolutely. And, yeah, and Joe and Tucker kind of go back and forth in that point.

And we got some good points to bring up there. But let me tell you guys some. I think the government is hiding this. And I thought long and hard about this. Like, you know, they do get into the topic of conversation here in a little bit about, you know, why the government lies and how they lie and what a lie is and why would they lie and why would they hide this? You know, is the government hiding UFOs or this phenomenon or these spiritual beings? Are they hiding this because they're so afraid of people can't handle another life form out there in the universe? or are they hiding it because of what the government and science has always desperately tried to disprove, which is a spiritual realm?

Because if you think about this, we had watched the Joe Roken Graham Hancock and Dippler or Diddler or Fiddler, whatever the hell his name is. Flit Dibler. Oh my gosh, poor Flint. Flit, just to give you a picture of what this guy looks like. He looks like a typical chubby scientist with a beard. He had his little Raiders of the Lost Art hat on and his free piece suit with the vest and the suit on. Oh, my gosh. And he had the headphones like face to back and he just looked like, oh, my God.

If you want entertainment, you have to go watch that podcast. But it was funny. We were talking to Nathan from Clear. We talked to him a lot, but we were talking to him. and we had all these funny, you know, funny nicknames, the little dipler or dibbler. The gibbler, the dibler. Junior Dipler or whatever his name. But anyways.

Yeah, and he's junior because he references his daddy about a million times during the podcast. Yeah, but see, but here's the thing, though. There's always a mainstream narrative of everything, right? And academic science, right, is you can't be wrong. Science can't be wrong. And it is a narrative. It is driven by a lot of. money. I mean, it is driven by a lot of government grants and funding to politicians. And this is

what science does. This is how science works. The same way that science works, by the way, is the same way the archaeology works, the same way that astronomy even works in a lot of ways or astrophysics. You know, once the narrative is established and all of these heavily funded bureaucrats, because a lot of these people are bureaucrats that are the head of these organizations or these sectors, and not just government, but also private sector, once there's so much money funded into so many of these sectors, and it all depends on based on their narrative, so for example, archaeology, and why would Graham Hancock in his theory or Robert Schock in his theory on how old, say, for example, the Sphinx is? Could it be 10,000, 13,000 years old or more, Graham Hancock about his

theories on lost civilizations and why would why would archaeology and hole come out so hard against him and essentially try to act like he's a nut job or he's crazy he's a conspiracy theorist he's he has no proof of nothing and this guy you know the dipler guy flint when he came on and talked to joe and graham hancock he was so condescending and such a jerk off in my opinion as far as how he talked to graham very disrespectfully it was it was it was it was it was It pissed me off. But it did remind me, though, of this is the main academic narrative agenda consensus. And if you go against that, then you are crazy.

Yes. And so. And he's definitely a typical guy in that field. Yeah. That's a way that most of them probably act. And they go for this agenda and they're not going to turn. And if you go against their agenda or you have a different theory than theirs, they're going to try to disprove you as much as they can, even though they can't. Yeah.

But I think here is the thing. I think the government doesn't necessarily care whether you believe in UFOs or not. I think actually the government wants you to believe in little green men in little flying saucers that come from a far, far planet away. And they want you to believe that even thinking or believe in that is so crazy. But I think their biggest fear is you actually knowing what these things are. Okay. So if these are spiritual beings, if these are interdimensional beings, or even maybe potentially tied to God. and not just God, but demons.

Because, you know, there is some evidence that whistleblowers have had that not all of these things you see are good. Right. And so we don't know necessarily the, you know, how many are good, how many are not. All I'm saying is I think the government is hiding these because they are spiritual entities and it goes against 100% the scientific community that's always tried to prove evolution. Always tried to say that you got here from a little single cell and then somehow we evolved. and did all this stuff. There's no possibility of God, no possibility of a spiritual realm. And the whole, the whole concept of heaven is crazy.

The science community has always tried to disprove God and disprove a spiritual realm. And I think that if the government, which by the way, I think 100% the government knows where these things are coming from, or at least understands. They have communication with them is what we apparently think. Yeah, yeah. And so I think what I'm saying is they don't want you to be able to grasp this because Because if you truly grasp that these things are here and they are spiritual in nature, some of them good, some of them bad, we don't know 100%, but they just don't want to know

that because it just takes the power out of them. And I just want to mention, too, my thought basis is a lot like Tucker's. I buy into the system. I believed everything that the government said. I thought the government was here for me. They're there for the people. There is no evilness about the government. they're here to protect me and keep me safe.

You know, I just totally bought into the system. Never thought to even consider thinking that there was something bad about the government. Or they're doing something sinister or doing something that is not of good for people. Yeah. Until I open my eyes through this podcast, when I started opening my eyes and saying, oh, my gosh, this is not the government I grew up knowing. This is not the government I know. This is, I cannot believe what I'm seeing and when I'm hearing. and what I'm hearing that this government actually lies.

And they actually... All the time. And they actually do a lot of evil things against people. And they're against their people in a lot of times. And it's not until then is when my theories of whatever these beings are started to change. Because I originally thought, yeah, it's just flying disc, flying saucer thing. And they're aliens that are driving these spaceships. And this is how it works.

And then I started learning about reverse propulsion. and how they work and how they go against gravity and all these things. I was like, okay, well, that makes sense. And then I really started thinking about the interdimensionalality of these things, how opening my brain to understand that they can go across dimensions. And they're not just in our dimension, but they can go from our dimension to another dimension within seconds. That's when I started realizing these things are definitely supernatural.

They're spiritual in nature. They're not human made or even alien made. There's something more than that. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I've even thought about this. I know that sounds crazy. But are one of these things like our family members that have died or past, I mean, you just never know.

Like a future or a past one of us? We don't know. We have no idea. But I often wonder to that because, you know, biblically it says that when you die, you're going to get a new body and you're going to go to a spiritual realm. It talks about that. spiritual realm. And that's literally what we're starting to talk about here is that these things are

potentially in another realm, another dimension. A realm is a dimension. And so what are we really seeing here? You know, I go back to the Bible saying, the one thing I always say that in the end or when the time is near, that Jesus will come back, that you will see signs from the heavens. And the heavens are typically what God refers to as the sky. And I think we're seeing that more now than ever. and these signs, who knows what they are, but we're desperately trying to figure these out. I want more than ever to figure these things out. Oh, I do too. Let's get in a little more of what Tucker has to say.

And I knew it was true. And that just blew my mind. So I began a process still ongoing of reassessing a lot of other things. Like, okay, well, if that was not true, what else is not true? And what else that they told me was a conspiracy theory might actually have some basis in fact? And then someone from, you know, a DOD employee reached out. to me and said, actually, there's a ton of evidence that this UFO thing is real. And really?

And so I started doing segments on it when I worked at the TV channel. And there was like a lot of mockery. But I was like, I don't care. I'm just going to do this. And then, of course, the second you start, as you know, better than anybody, you start talking about something, then people reach out to you and some of them are deranged. But some of them aren't at all. So I just started getting a lot of information from people and meeting with people. mostly in private, you know, come to my house, let's talk.

And I decided on the basis of what they told me, and then I talked to a lot of people about it, that actually this is really a very heavy-duty question, actually. It's not just, it's not the little green men question. It's like a much bigger question. And it's really bad. It's really dark. And then I stopped. Then I was like, I don't want to know anymore because it's not helping me at all as a person.

What information did you get that made you feel like it's. dark. What's so dark? Well, first of all, the deception is always bad. Like, lying is bad in it. And it's bad not just in a legal sense in that it can be illegal to lie, but it's bad. It's like bad for you. Like it rots you.

Like being a liar makes you a bad person. When you lie, you are serving evil. There's a moral quality to it that's inescapable and very obvious. And only like advanced, advanced civilizations ignore that. Lying is bad. And so if you have lying at scale, which we have on this topic, it's inherently bad. Okay, so that's the first level. The deeper level is what are, okay, so if they're spiritual beings, which I believe they are, like, it's a binary.

They're either, you know, if you're on team good or team bad, you can assign any name to it you want, but like, what are these things? Are they good or bad? And I think some of them are bad. And if the U.S. government knows that or elements, the people, within the U.S. government know that, then, you know, then they're serving a bad force. Well, when you say spiritual, like what makes you draw that conclusion that they're spiritual? What's the obvious? I mean, spiritual may be the wrong word. Supernatural. You know, they're beyond nature as we understand it. I mean, obviously they are. I mean, just chart their physical behavior.

It doesn't, you know, it goes outside of what we understand about physics. No visible means of propulsion, you know, coming at indescribable speed, hitting the ocean, continuing at speeds that are impossible under sea. I mean, in other words, if I take a, you know, 9mm, around a 7, 6, 2 by 39, and shoot you at 50 yards underwater in a swimming pool, and it's even more intense in salt water because it's denser, you could catch the bullet if it even makes it to you, right? So if you have a craft in these object underwater that's traveling at 500 knots as measured by sonar, right there, you're challenging or understanding.

physics. Like, what is that? How can that be? So, yeah. They've tracked that. They've tracked things going 500 knots under the sea. Yeah, really. Yeah, much faster than any object can actually go under, under sea. Oh, for sure. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of stuff going on underwater and a lot. And there's video of these things coming out of the sky into the water and also emerging from the water. Right. So it's all so blurry though I don't think it's that

Transmedium video Yeah I don't think some of it's that blurry I think some of it's crystal clear We just don't have access to it Is that what you mean? Yeah Just we haven't seen it Correct

So they have some stuff For sure So but there's just a lot going on underwater And it's measured And so All right so here we go I got to break this down for a minute Like you said

I mean There are some of these They are very dark things And Tucker actually actually says that, you know, he kind of had to step away, which he'll say just in a minute. I don't want to get ahead of ourselves, but, you know, this is very dark. It's very sinister a lot of what we're seeing. And at the very least, from some of the reports of U.S. service members and he's going to get into that in just a minute that have died because of close interactions with some of these craft or beings or things is very strange.

And it's very interesting because if you think about it from a spiritual nature, how does, you know, U.S. service members die from a spiritual entity. It doesn't make sense, especially in close contact or in close proximity to a craft. Now, we don't know. I mean, we would typically, we would think that, you know, are these things emitting so much radiation that they are causing severe trauma and brain damage and even death to service members? And what does that mean as far as radiation and spirit?

spirituality in other dimensions. How does it, how is it both? Because you have a both physical force, which would be a craft that actually affects a person that is a biologic. And then you have something that is also potentially interdimensional, which we can't see at certain times. We don't know or understand where they are or where they come from or when they're here and when they're not here unless you see them. But how would something in spiritual nature actually affect us physically? Well, then you've got to go back to even people that, I mean, and this is just on like the, you know, priest, priest realm of, of, you know, going back centuries to where people had talked about possessions of demonic entities and people. Although that sounds crazy, but that could be an actual physical manifestation of a spiritual being. I mean, that is essentially what a possession would be, a physical manifestation of a spirit or

entity into a physical body. So if you think about what a spiritual or dimensional being or anomaly or whatever these things are, spirit that is manifesting themselves with some type of craft to interact with our reality. And then these and then service members or people who are who, get in close proximity of these things, obviously there are going to be two very different things that happen when a physical biological being comes close to these things. Well, and I think, too, like you said, it's a supernatural thing in some type of body. In this body, this transport system has to use a great amount of irradiation.

You look at all these movies, these witnesses that have their faces burned from getting too close from the radiation. It could be to me, this is just my opinion, that these things manifest from dimension to mention. And when they do come into our dimension and it's a physical, becomes physical, in a physical body, that's when they're having these ultimate, like, tons of radiation. And that's what's hurting people when they get too close to these things. Yeah.

And I think the radiation is probably more than likely caused from, just however these craft, I guess. Manipulate our atmosphere. Yeah, manipulate our atmosphere. They know how to do this in whatever realm they're in. But it can be both. I think that this spiritual being can go from dimension to dimension and come into our dimension and be a physical body in our dimension.

And that's when people are getting hurt. I think it's, do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, by the way, do you know what that reminds me of? And I don't want to get biblical, but I'm going to get biblical for just, one second. You know what that reminds me of is that the Bible says and it says it in many Bibles actually that Jesus was God and God is Jesus. And Jesus actually just manifested himself in a human form through Jesus. That was who Jesus was. He sent a physical form of himself to earth to die and to suffer and to do whatever he had to do in a physical nature to lead people

to Christ and all do all these things is essentially. just saying that, hey, this spirit, the spirit of God is coming through a person. He has manifesting himself in a physical form. And so we're not really talking much different now with what we're talking about UFOs. Their ability to manifest themselves in physical form. Exactly. But you don't want to, as far as especially the Christian religion, you can't put it in the same. I get what you're saying.

But Jesus. I'm just saying how it's possible. Yeah, it's possible. But Jesus is the great, you know, is God. And there's nothing that can outdo Jesus. No, absolutely. No, you're right. But that's what I'm saying.

I think the reason why a lot of people try to not believe in the Bible or even the story of Jesus and how that would even be possible because it sounds so crazy. Right, right. If you start understanding and listening to what is actually potentially going on right now with our realm, with our interdimensionality being spacecraft things going on, you've got to look back to the biblical things that were said. And you've got to look back even in Jesus and say, okay, I never believe Jesus. Jesus was real because there's not possible that Jesus is real because this is crazy. He can't just come back to life like that. Yeah. There's no way that like God is Jesus.

And there's no way that God could put himself in Jesus and that he would then rise from the dead and save all these people. Yeah. And I have to say that I've had a really hard time understanding that concept as well. But as we talk through this, the supernatural, if we're talking about that UFOs can do this thing, then why could Jesus not do it? Absolutely. Well, I can. But, you know, also in the Bible. And so we got to go briefly for a second.

Are these things good or bad? And this is what Tucker's starting to get into. Tucker says these are dark things. And what does this mean, Joe says? But Tucker and others, the interesting thing is they keep doubling. And I say others as are, you know, there have been whistleblowers and people in the government that have also said that these are spiritual beings in nature. A lot of it seems very dark.

Some of these are bad. And they say some of these, right? That's interesting how they say some of these because they don't say all of these are bad. Well, not all spiritual things are bad. They aren't. But according to the Bible in many cases, the Bible talks about, you know, there will be demonic creatures on earth. I mean, it literally says it in many verses of the Bible. There will be demonic creatures abound on earth.

It almost, the Bible in some ways almost makes it out like that's the only spiritual beings that will be on earth or of the demonic form. And, you know, he also talks about, okay. well, when we talk about spiritual, we're talking about supernatural or something that is unnatural to us in our reality. That's what supernatural is. But he also talks about these things going 500 knots underwater. I think that's about, let me do nots, 565 miles an hour. So you're talking about 565 miles an hour underwater.

There's nothing even remotely close that we can possibly get to go that fast underwater. Even with propulsion, by the way, we're talking about. we're talking about, you know, the thing about our nuclear submarines or things that we have nuclear capable subs that will launch, they can launch nukes from underwater, but they also have extremely high levels of propulsion on the back of these things. They don't stay underwater necessarily for a long period of time, but they 100% don't move that speed.

And then you got to also think about any, like, what is our fastest underwater craft that we know of? we don't really have a lot of fast underwater craft because it's hard to move fast underwater. You think about submarines, we have smaller submersibles, which can move at decent speeds. When you say decent speeds, we're talking about nowhere even close to 500 knots. We're talking about nowhere even close to 100 knots underwater. And they do it without apparent propulsion. That is what is also very interesting.

It's one thing to say, guys, that this could be our technology. but how do you have a craft that has zero signs of any type of propulsion that is United States made and owned or even used? I just, I still go back to this. If the United States or any country had this technology, it would be the end all, be all for all other countries in this world and probably even us. Because as we talked about, the private sector has a lot of these contracts that are trying to study and figure these things out. There are very dark clandestine programs that are usually funded by the top elites in the world, which want a one world government, which is the worst people you want to have any type of this technology in their hands. I just don't believe that the stuff we're seeing is ours at all. I just do not believe it.

You got to remember, too, if it is the case that we have actually found down crafts or we've downed them, which they say we have and we have the biologics and the craft materials, they say, they say the craft materials are not of this world. The material, the metals, they're so light and flexible and bendable that we cannot even imitate it on our world, you know, or in our world, on Earth. You can't even get that kind of material. You'd have to get it from space to even recreate this type of thing. We think in space. It depends. Yes.

And then another thing I wanted to bring up is you are proving Braywright to a T. Because you remember when we used to have these deep conversations. Stations with Brie and Brie was like, these are all demons. And I don't think they're all demons. I don't know. But I think you are proving a point that through your thinking and rethinking and synthesizing your thinking and digging deeper and deeper, we're coming to a assumption, I guess, that these things are. Yeah, that these things are definitely supernatural or spiritual in base.

Yeah. But I also go back to I don't think they're all demonic. And I don't, yeah, I don't think they're all bad. and I don't think they're all good. I think it's both. Just like you can think about in the Bible, you have good angels and you have bad angels. Yeah, and you have good and evil in this world.

I think the same thing applies to the spiritual realm. And in the Bible, it says that. I mean, and I go back to this. It says throughout the days on earth, there will be demonic entities or creatures on the earth. And they can infiltrate people. They can possess people. They can do all these things.

But I also go back to the time when Jesus or, you know, they talk about, hey, towards the end times. When you know the time will be near, all these things will happen in prophecy. Sorry. All these things will happen in prophecy. But you will know when the time is near because of this, this and this and there will be signs from the heavens. It will be very obvious. You will start to see influx in these things. Is this what we're seeing now? We don't know. Or is there about to be a battle between good and evil? It says in the Bible, there will be a battle between good and evil. There will be and our battle of Armageddon.

Are we getting close to that? We don't know. Is this why we're seeing a lot of these things? We don't know. I think, honestly, this is the biggest complex question in the entirety of the human race. And I'm not just saying us. I'm saying we've been seeing these things for thousands of years since the beginning of time. And these things have always been here.

It's just now they're either getting a lot more, I guess not accurate kind of money. they're getting a lot more prevalent or we're actually able to see and record these things on a, on a, I guess, a greater level. When I think, too, it goes back to if they want themselves to be revealed or not. And I think in past civilizations, they revealed themselves way more than they do in our civilization, going back to the pyramids. I don't care what anyone says. I don't think a human could possibly make the pyramids without some kind of supernatural help. Absolutely. I agree with that.

And even to this point, you know, when Tucker says, hey, we have, we have videos of these things. We, we, we've seen these things very clear. And Joe's like, oh, but all the videos are very blurry. And Tucker's like, no. No, they're clear. No, you don't understand. There are videos that are very, very apparent, what these things are, how they operate, and how crazy they are.

And Tucker knows this stuff because as, as big as Joe Rogan ever can be, right? He is the number one podcaster in the world, yes. But I think I want people to understand that Tucker is far more connected to the government and whistleblowers and people that are out there in the realm of this world that know the shit that's really going down far more connected than Joe Rogan is. I just want to, I want to point that out. And I also want to point this out right now. And no offense to Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan is a very smart person. He knows a lot of stuff about random stuff.

He's one of those people that knows shit about. random shit. Like, he watches, he watches documentaries. He does all this stuff and he retains that information. He does that. And I try to do that. But it's, you know, Joe's one of those people that are, is very good at that. Tucker, though, is very good at what he knows. And he may not know everything about everything. Well, he doesn't even have a TV. Exactly. But he knows based on what he has been in person experiencing with first, with people of government. His family's been in government. The whole nine. into more of what Tucker has to say. Whatever. I mean, these are all, again, this is like the most obvious observable level of it,

but then you just ask yourself, like, what is this, actually? And, you know, if there's been extensive knowledge of this for decades, like maybe 80 years, at least, if not going back to the 30s, 90 years, you know, to what end? So there are two possible explanations, obvious explanations. The first is the one you often hear, which is this is so heavy. that if the public were to know about it, it would be just disruptive. It would be too scary. Like, you don't want to scare people for no good reason.

There's nothing we can do about it. And you also don't want to suggest that, you know, the U.S. military isn't capable of protecting the country, the homeland. And it does suggest that. If you can't, you're airspace and that's known, if they can't, that's known, okay, then that's just a limit to the power of the U.S. military. And you don't want to tell people that because then they, like, won't believe that they're safe. I get it. But then there's a deeper level, which is like, okay, what's your relationship with these things? What is the U.S. government's relationship with these things?

And there's evidence that there is a relationship and that it's a longstanding. And that raises like a lot of questions about intent. And so like, what is that? And I just personally decided, you know, and people have been hurt by these things. You know, that's a fact. That's a fact. It's a knowable fact. It's a provable fact.

And killed. And I'm not saying millions of people have been killed by whatever these things are, but people have been killed. And it's known because it's working its way through the courts out of the VA. So I don't know. An object that is by definition supernatural. It's above the laws of nature as we understand them. And that has resulted in the deaths of people. But we don't spend enough time thinking about like what?

that adds up to. Like, knock. All right. Got to stop. Okay, so here we go. So heavy that people can't handle it is what the government supposedly says. But what is the relationship? And I see you, Sherry, over there, right in the relationship thing.

That's a good question. Because let's think about this for a second. What is the relationship with the United States government or other governments with these entities, with these beings, with these things? And what if these things and entities are evil? What if? What if the relationship that the United States government has, they have somehow conjected themselves into a relationship with evil, with evil entities from another realm or dimension?

Because it's almost like if you've heard the notion of selling yourself to the devil, selling your soul, you know, that used to be a big conspiracy theory. Oh yeah, these celebrities sell themselves to the devil. That's crazy conspiracy theory talk. But look at Diddy. I mean, look at what's coming out with Diddy. Look at so many celebrities. Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein.

And then also think about the amount of connections that not only P. Diddy had with the government. We're starting to see that he was apparently a not only informant, but some type of operative under the either CIA or others that set up these massive rings to blackmail politicians that actually maybe wanted to, I don't know, potentially do good for the American people, but somehow they got blackmailed and manipulated into very bad things. You know, Diddy was part of that. Epstein was apparently part of that. Who knows how many others.

There's been rumors of many, many others that have been manipulated and blackmailed into some kind of weird satanic shit. And you're going to think about Bohemian Grove. You got to think about all the crazy shit. shit they did out there in California, where these politicians met and had sex with each other and praise some demonic God. Are they in a relationship with evil? I mean, literally, is that what is happening with our country in the world?

And is this a relationship between evil entities and our governments, not only the United States? And by the way, it could just be the United States. I don't know. I think there are potentially others that are in talks with these beings. or entities. But just think about this. In the Bible it talks about in the end times towards when the rapture happens, God says there will be a battle of Armageddon. There will be a battle where I come back and they ride their horses and they ride their horses out of the clouds and all

of the good, all of the good in Christ will come and fight evil because all of the evil has infiltrated the world and they have made deals with the kings and the masters of the world. And so if these kings and masters of the world now are interacting with these demonic beings that are here, these interdimensional beings that are potentially evil, how else can we explain what is going on in this world? We always talk about evil entities. We always talk about there's good and evil right now. And there is.

But what if the relationship with the United States government and these U.S. UFOs are a relationship between evil entities and government officials. And this is maybe where the Battle of Armageddon is going to begin. Well, and there is definitely a correlation between the Illuminati and satanic things going on. And anyone that's a part of the Luminati, you've got to think Illuminati is the elite, the top, what, 1, 2% of the people in the world that are part of this eliteism. And these are the people that we have talked about many, many times sell their soul to the devil. They have devil parties.

They have devil cooks that cater their parties. They have bloody cakes with guts coming out. It's all about Satan in the same tab. You know, the rituals they do. And do you know what they get for that? They get everything. They get everything the earth can offer. Everything the earth can offer.

All the money, all the cars, all the mansions, all the everything. So I think there's definitely a correlation between evil, elite, Illuminati, and these bad beings. There's some kind of correlation between all of it. Because if you think about

if there is contact with these entities, who would be most likely to have contact with these? It's not going to be poor people. It's not going to be the people on the bottom of the pole. It's going to be the people

at the top of the pole. They're the ones are going to be able to make the deals with them. Not us. Them. And it just seems like there is a tremendous correlation between evil, evil, evil to me.

Yeah, that's all I'm going to say. Absolutely. And I think there are, you know, Nathan, I wish Nathan was on here right now. I wish we could call him to get him on to talk about the Watchers. Because as we get into the Book of Enoch series later on, Nathan and I have talked about the Watchers and what the Watchers really mean. And the Book of Enoch talks about this pretty heavily. And what the Watchers, what the Watchers role is and how they affect humanity.

and earth and all of these things. But nonetheless, is the government in a relationship with evil? And are these entities, a lot of these entities that we see actually evil? And is that how they have made a deal with the devil? Has our government made a deal with the devil? And we see signs pointing to yes, yes and yes. All right. Let's listen to some more.

Good, actually. Not good. How many people do you think have died from these things? I don't know, but I mean I... And is it radiation sick? is it like what is what is what's so the person that i talked to i interviewed someone who was a stanford medical school professor who's who's out there and worth talking to by the way and a talking about gary nolan that's exactly what i'm talking about was effectively an expert witness

in these cases so he's an expert in brain injury do you know him yeah yeah entirely credible person um checks all the boxes that i care about he's he's he's got patents so he's like a lot of Stanford University professor. He's like independently rich. I live in a remote place and he flew to my place at his own expense because he wanted to tell his story. So he's got no profit motive here. He's the most highly credentialed person at the university practically at Stanford Medical

School. We consider that a big deal. And he's worked on this for over 10 years assessing the injuries to U.S. servicemen from being in close proximity to these objects or having contact with these objects. And his conclusion, as you know, because you've talked to him, is that there's some kind of energy coming off here that scrambles people's brains or kills them.

And it's not exactly radiation, at least in his telling to me. So anyway, but the point is people have died. Yeah. And so, you know, it does raise a lot of questions about, Like, what the hell, right? What the hell? American citizens have died and you're hiding it? Why are you hiding that?

Why would you hide that? Perhaps because they don't have any explanations. Because it's so beyond our comprehension that they're still trying to piece it together. Like, I would wonder how much interaction they really do have with these things. Like, if I was from another planet or if I was some interdimensional being, I don't know how much I'd give a shit. about the president. I don't know how much I'd give a shit about the government. I would probably look at this infantile race, this species, this bizarre, territorial apes with thermonuclear weapons, this very weird species.

I'd probably look at them as very chaotic. And I wouldn't really have much concern for who's running it, especially if they have the ability to travel at insane speeds. go undetected and well it depends like that okay so the template that you're using to understand this is like science fiction right these are an advanced race of beings from somewhere else

but the temple that every other society before us has used is a spiritual one there is a whole world that we can't see that acts on people a supernatural world that's acting on us all the time for good and bad every society has thought this before ours in fact every society

in all recorded history has thought that until, I'll be specific, August 1945 when we dropped the atom bombs on Hiroshima Nagasaki, and all of a sudden the West is just officially secular, we're God, there is no God but us. And that's the world that we have grown up in, but that's an anomaly. Like, no one else has ever thought that. There's never been a society that thought that. Every other society has assumed, and they've had all kinds of different explanations, and the details differ, but the core idea does not differ, it never has differed from caves until now,

that we're being acted on by spiritual forces. All right. Got to stop it here. Man, there's a lot. I mean, there's a lot already. But I just want to put this out here because I will go crazy if I have to wait. Okay, go ahead. He said, why would they even care?

Joe said, why would they even care? We're just a bunch of apes with nuclear weapons. Well, unless they live here among here, you know, if they live here with us. Yeah, you're right. I mean, I get that point. But I still think I exactly 100% know where Tucker's going on this that Joe is not picking up on. And I think maybe what, baby, I think maybe why Joe is not picking up on this is because he is not a very religious person. He does not, I don't even know 100% fully believes in God or, you know, I don't know that Joe Rogan knows that when he dies, if he's going anywhere or not.

I've heard many of his podcast to where he seems to not. not really allude to the fact of there for sure being a God or Jesus for sure in any of this. And so when he talks about saying that these beings wouldn't care about us, but if you at all believe in anything spiritual as far as God or Jesus or the Bible in general, almost any religion, for that matter, 100% demonic entities would care about what us and we are doing. And the Bible warns us of that. God warns us of that throughout the Bible. He warns us continually about the real possibility of demonic entities affecting all of us.

And, you know, Tucker Carlson says here, they have acted on us. They influence us in so many various ways. And I say they, but I'm saying spirits, demonic entities, consciousness, I think lives in the same kind of realm and our thoughts can be even affected by these things. But also matter and dark matter. It's kind of the same. Anti matter. Yeah.

Anti matter. Yeah. For sure. And so, but why would they act on us through? But you have to understand that throughout history that they've always believed these things to be in spiritual of nature. And they do not, that, you know, back in 3,000 years ago when they were writing, when they had pictographs on walls and they were trying to tell us, they,

these things are in the sky. Yeah. They are affecting us. We are, we are seeing these. things. Throughout our entire history as human civilization, we have pointed to the sky and said that these things are here. We know they are here. We weren't blaming the U.S. government 3,000 years ago for advanced reverse technology. We're only doing it now when we are actually technologically advanced enough to be able to blame it on that. We, I feel like, and listen, I feel like we are

desperately trying to disprove the narrative that the spiritual realm exist and that the United States government or governments around the world are not God. Because as he said, when they dropped atom bomb, they said to the world, we are God. The West is God. That's the way it is. And I still think, by the way, that science, the science community has desperately tried to prove against God the entire time. I remember when I was in school growing up. We had to learn about the Big Bang theory. We had to learn about evolution. Did we have to learn about God?

No, we did it. We only could learn about God through church. There was no other way. Yeah, and that's a whole other topic that, you know, that theory even still exists because it shouldn't. But I want to go back to Joe for just a second, even if he's not religious and does not believe in God. And I know he is spiritual because I know he does yoga. and he does like meditation and things like that. Well, he meditates.

I think he does have a spiritual aspect about him. And then I want to put this on the table, especially he said that he has tried D&T and that he has gone and done it and gone to these other places, these spiritual zones where I feel like maybe when you do this D&T, you're going interdimensional. You're going to a different dimension when you take this. this narc this medicine or whatever it is it's a natural thing yeah it makes you go into a different dimension with whoever else you're taking it with and you meet the same people and you're in the same area to me that would show you this is what it is do you not think well in some cases right i mean and some people have had similar or very exact experiences taking this stuff together um yeah but you know i've heard joe rogan's response and explanation to some of the

things. Well, it's just, it's weird. It's trippy. It's this. A stop. Joe always wants to, Joe has something fighting him all the time that says, I cannot and am not allowed to ever say that this is God or this is this. And I get it. I mean, I get you don't want to go one way there. And I, and I guarantee you that a lot of people listen to us right now are probably saying, dude, you guys have done the same shit. Yeah. You guys have questioned everything. Oh, yeah. And we do. And we do. But I do think Joe is spiritual. And I think if he really did experience the D&T thing, he had to see that spiritual connection somehow is all I'm saying. I mean, I'm not caring about the religion thing, you know, Muslim, Christian, Jewish.

I don't care about any of that. I'm talking about the spiritual aspect. Yeah, yeah. There's absolutely a connection here. I want to play a little more of this because this gets very interesting. Here you go. At all times. And so to someone born before or living before 1945, I think it would have been much more obvious that this is the thing that every society has written about. And in fact, that battle, that unseen battle around us, that spiritual battle, has, like, been the basis of every society, of every religion, not just Christianity. So, like, it just, once you discard your very, very recent assumptions, relatively speaking, about how the world works, you're like, well, that kind of seems like the obvious explanation, right?

Hmm. It's not that obvious to me. So what's more obvious, do you think? Well, I don't think there's an obvious explanation. I think if I had to guess some of this stuff is ours, and some of these things are propulsion systems that they theorized way back in the 1950s, anti-gravity propulsion systems, things that could. operate without igniting fuel and pushing something out that they operate in some completely different way that utilizes gravity and almost can instantaneously transport to new places, essentially fold space time.

I don't know. So there's things that the government does where they have these programs. and the people that are sworn into these programs, whether they're the physicists or, you know, the metallurgists or whoever these people are that are working on these programs, they don't tell anybody. All their phones are monitored. Everything's monitored. There's a culture of secretism that's pretty intense. And it's not inconceivable that over the course of the last 70 plus years of them theorizing and then eventually implementing some of these things, that they're not inconceivable that they're not. years of them theorizing and then eventually implementing some of these things that they've developed drones that can move in ways that the conventional the people that understand conventional propulsion

systems could not imagine and that they've figured out a way to do this and to keep it secret and we're probably not the only ones work on these things but where did they get that information and you know you know Diana Posolka you know her work like they they describe these crafts these crash crafts as donations which is fascinating they're like that they're left there the crashed retrieval program I got to stop here I got to stop because let me explain something I'm thinking when Joe's saying this is that these things have been around for thousands of years now did we have cameras thousands of years ago to do pick these things as doing the things that they are doing? No. But we do know at the very least that

we have had in recorded history, at least history that we have been able to acknowledge or have some type of record of that human civilizations have did their very, very best to depict these things acting in supernatural or uncomprehensible ways. And it isn't just in our history as far as just, you know, 1700s, 1600s. Imagine how, think about how unadvanced civilization was in the 1700s. Okay, think about that. Hunters and gathers. Whatever, yeah, 16, 1,500s.

Then think back and think about the Bible times, the biblical times, where all the verses talk about a lot of the things in the Bible about things that appeared and did this and did all this crazy phenomenon stuff and did all this supernatural stuff. Ezekiel and the will, the will of fire. And I mean, just so many things. This has been since the beginning of time. Since the beginning of the earth and existence. This has been a thing.

And it's always attributed, or at least in the biblical times, it was attributed to spiritual realm of God and Jesus and all that. But we're not so sure we didn't have technology before now. No, we're not. For example, you know, we supposedly got to the moon. we can't get to the moon today. But we supposedly got to the moon in the 60s or whenever it was. I'm just saying even before that, what if we did have technology that which was it was much more prominent than it is now?

What if it was more advanced than it is now? I just think we would have some. It's lost technology. I mean, possibly. I'm not saying that's not possible. I just think that there would have been a lot more evidence for advanced technology. than we have in record. Archaeology, geology, all of this.

I mean, there's no apparent signs, at least from everything we've ever seen, to any actual technology that we had before now. In any archaeological records or geological records, any of this. I'm talking about even like before the Egyptian, any kind of like, you know, any way, way before. Yeah, it could have been. Absolutely. Because like I said, when it goes to the pyramids, I don't think humans built those

alone. Now. Something helped them. And we had some kind of advanced technology even then. So yeah. So then you would have to go on the, on the, you know, battle lines for that there was a breakout civilization that somehow survived some type of cataclysm, which we know that has happened potentially various times in the Earth's life to where it either went to a Ice Age or a extreme warming period. Yeah, recycling of the Earth. Yes.

So you would have to say that based on quote unquote science that every living thing died during that time, including animals, and then they recycled and somehow we evolved all of a sudden and came back. I mean, this is their scientific theory. But at the same time, it goes. So you would have to basically say that, okay, well, there was an advanced civilization before some type of cataclysm. And that advanced civilization was a breakout civilization that somehow was able to survive the cataclysm and then make it into maybe. say the core of the earth, to get down and out of the way of this massive cataclysm that happened on the earth's surface. I mean, that's possible.

Well, that brings up so many other things in theories. It does. It does. But it still does not explain the spiritual side of this. If there is a spiritual side of these beings that they can traverse interdimensional concepts, that this, not disproves, but it 100% takes out mostly the breakout civilization theory of somehow a breakout civilization. I'm not saying a breakout civilization.

I know, but I'm saying that someone would have had to have survived a cataclysm of an ice age or something or a comet that hit, the younger dryest, which was, you know, some type of massive comet. How did we survive it then? How do we have people after the ice age? Well, we had it because it started. I know, but how do we have people after the ice age? Maybe I don't know.

Listen, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not getting into all of that. all I'm saying is, is that there is, it seems like a very spiritual, interdimensional realm of this. I agree. And that does not mean that it was because other humans and other civilizations survive necessarily, unless they were so far advanced. They figured out some type of time travel system. And those things we're seeing could be them.

Could be. But then that would just completely shatter to the Bible and biblical narrative, although it seems like the biblical narrative. is far more telling as far as what these things may be than any of our theories on they invented a time machine, you know, 50,000 years ago. Just for me. So anyways, let's listen to a little more of this interview. The crashed UAP retrieval program is essentially they're going, like, figure this out. We're going to crash this thing here and you figure this out.

And the question is, if that's true, okay, where are these things coming from? Are they, if there's something that is so advanced that it's decided to leave us a little trinket for us to back engineer, is that from another dimension? Is that from here? Is that from some realm that we just don't have access to? Is it from another planet? Are we, we have drones that are on other planets right now. We have a drone on Mars. We have, you know, the lunar rovers. We have satellites that we send to observe and photograph other planets. We just got really high detailed photographs of Jupiter. They're pretty amazing. But if something was like us on another planet but lived uninterrupted with technology advancing for a thousand years, 10,000 years, a million years more than us, what would that be like? And how much would we be able to understand of what we're seeing? What would be, what would be able to see? And this idea that we monitor our skies, sure, but if something just appears and disappears, essentially instantaneously, if something literally can fold time, can fold space, and just traverse between immense distances,

almost instantaneously, what are we going to see? What are we going to see? And also, like, what kind of detection systems do we have? We have radar, we have visual, we have a bunch of different military-based detection systems to look out for enemy crafts and airships and all that stuff. But if you're dealing with something that's a million years more advanced than us, how much would we be able to detect? Well, so I think we're pointing to the same question. I mean, I have no doubt that the U.S. government has technology that we don't know the details of. That makes sense. Sure. But like, where did it come from? Right. I'm not even sure this is a separate question, but related.

I'm not sure we really know where nuclear technology came from, actually. Really? Yes. Like the Manhattan Project? Yeah. Like we know the Manhattan. And we know something about the Manhattan Project. But like where exactly did that?

It came from Germany. German scientists were going on. Okay. The one person, yeah, this is a separate conversation. But the one person I know who's really pushed out, I was reading a book on it. he was a trustworthy person or a friend of mine. I know you know him. Said to me, actually, I spent a year working on this.

And I, one of the closer I got to like, okay, but what's the genesis? Like, where did this? What was the Isaac Newton, apple on the head, oh, gravity's real moment for fission? Not clear. Weird. I don't know the answer. But here's the point. Clearly government has technology that we're not read in on.

Right. Of course. But so. that doesn't answer the question. Why have people seen these objects in the skies for thousands of years? Right. Confirmed. And what are they?

And maybe they're from another planet. My only point is there's no evidence of that. There's a huge amount, a massive corpus of evidence that they're seen by people in our atmosphere, you know, on Earth looking up or in a submarine looking out. And what is that? And by the way, to your point, like, we can't see them coming into our atmosphere because they don't want to be seen. Well, then why do they want to be seen by people on Earth? Like, if the technology is that advanced, and clearly it is, why do they make themselves visible in the first place?

Well, you know, when we study primates, one of the things that we do. Do you ever watch Chimp Nation on Netflix? No, I don't have a TV, but. All right. So, yeah, we're going to stop there. because he's talking about chimps now. Which goes into evolution. Yeah, but where did nuclear tech actually come from?

That's the question. To what he says. We don't actually have a definitive beginning of nuclear fission. Where did nuclear fission comes from? Manhattan Project. You've probably seen Oppenheimer. A lot of these things, we think with that, you know, we just, we developed it. We figured it out.

But where did we figure it out? from and where did it come from we don't even know we don't know where it came from um we don't know that we are actually you know the creators potentially of nuclear fission but it's not even that it's just he and listen i will say joe makes a decent point here to say that you know look we we've we don't 100% know that these things are not coming from other planets either um you know if they can appear and disappear, then how are we going to track them in our skies or our space or or whatever the case may be? We may not be able to track those definitively.

Right. And that's why I said in the beginning of the podcast, I think they're both right and they're both wrong. Because what if it's all the above? What if it's like everything? I mean, I don't know. Yeah. But it just still sounds weird to me. I mean, I understand that, you know, a lot of people believe that, you know, or they want

to believe that these things are from another planet. and they are so far more advanced than we are that it's just uncomprehensible, how they would be able to do the things that they do on this earth like they are doing. And so you got to ask yourself, I guess, this is, I guess, here's the question. Is it more believable that these things are interdimensional spiritual beings, or is it more believable to you that there is a civilization out there, on a faraway planet that has lived and existed far longer than we have, 100,000 years, a million years longer than we have that has advanced technology like this that can come

into our atmosphere, appear and disappear, go transdimensional or transphysical. So even water to air. What's more believable? Because by the way, both of them are... They're both very believable to me. Yeah, but they're also both very unbelievable. You know what I mean? It's like they're almost both very uncomprehensible at the same time.

And they're almost very similarly uncomprehensible because even if you have a civilization, say in Zeta, reticular or some other planet, light years away, the fact that number one, they get here. And then the fact, number two, that they can do all the things that our planet has the ability. That's when you talk about wormholes and all that thing. I know. But I'm just saying, like, you know, do they have oceans on Zeta reticular or some other planet? How would they be able to actually utilize their craft into this physical structures?

When you're thinking outside the box like this, you have to think outside the box on both ways. Yeah. You can't just say, oh, this one is better because it's the Bible and the Bible says that. I'm not saying that. You have to like you either say they're going to, they exist or they don't, I guess. because you can't just believe in one more than the other. Well, you can if more evidence stacks for one versus the other. So we have to look at what evidence stacks for one versus the other.

Well, you know, you think about ghost and paranormal. You think about, you think about all the things that used to be conspiracy or folklore or whatever about possessions. You think about the Bible. You think about all of the various accounts of miracles and miraculous things that happened during biblical terms. You think about all of the various civilizations that. that, you know, accounted for these things to be something that we've never seen before or even comprehensible, even though, yes, some of those things obviously could be from another planet even then, even 3,000 years ago from where we are right now, there could be advanced technology

that came from another planet, especially if they're a million years more advanced than we are. And you think our Earth is very young considering the whole universe, too. You've got to put that in perspective. There's no telling how old the universe is. I still believe, though, that these things are spiritual beings. I agree with you. I think, but I don't think it's just one or the other. I think it's all the above.

That's what I think. I don't. But we can agree to disagree because I'm right and you're wrong. How am I wrong? Anyways. No, I'm saying, but my point is that here's the thing, is that we can't just say that it is, It is, I don't think we can say it's both. I think what we're experiencing right now on Earth is one.

And I believe, this is what I believe. And there's, obviously, there's a million people out there to believe various different things. But your beliefs are not the only beliefs that are right. No. But listen, my beliefs are probably less than a lot of people. A lot of people believe these are little green men from other planets. I believe there are little red men from other, or green and gray men. in other type of things because I believe people when they say that.

I believe that people have been abducted by these things. Yeah, but that doesn't mean. I don't think that is not. Sherry. I don't think it's made up. That doesn't mean, though, that they're not spiritual entities. Because you have to understand, like, for example, when people have, what is it called, the paralysis at night in their sleep.

Yes, I have that. In their sleep. Yes. So that, to me, that whole account for their experience is sometimes, type of spiritual experience. They are in their bed. They have paralysis. And they, and by the way, a lot of these very experiences, a lot of people account to these

things to be abductions. They lose track of time. They sometimes have marks on them, but they lay in their bed and they go somewhere else. You can't scream. You can't blink. You can't do anything. And sometimes you can see yourself outside your body. Yes, I have experienced that a thousand times.

Yes. But to me, I have always. I've always equated that to not so much alien abductee, but as spiritual something coming and getting me. I don't think it's like, I've never seen a gray in my room saying, hey, I'm going to take you to my spaceship and we're going to put little test tubes in you or anything like that. That's never happened to me. I know, I get that. But I have experienced what you're talking about, but it was more of a spiritual entity as far as, you know, and I think they go hand in hand. I think you're right.

Spiritual and alien goes hand in hand to a point. And, you know, this is the first time I ever really thought that that could exist was Skinwalker Ranch. When they were talking about the little, like a little town or a little place where it was. It's a triangle. No, I'm talking about where they had like houses and stuff. Yeah, the triangle. Maybe that was it. But they had like other phenomenon going on, spiritual phenomenon going on in these little houses.

where the housekeeper people were staying. I think they're related, but I think they're also different. I don't, I don't know. Well, we don't know. I mean, I just, you know, like I said, there absolutely could be little green men that are just here and they've figured out some kind of awesome spacecraft or where they have all this crazy technology. I think somehow you say it's spiritual. I say it kind of is both. It could be.

I mean, I'm not arguing with you. I'm just saying that. that we don't know 100% what it is. And at the very least, a lot of whistleblowers and a lot of people that seem to be talking about this, you know, people from within the government, I know Tom DeLong with the Academy to the Stars, people that have got, even whistleblowers

have been read into some of this. Even David Grush has alluded to what the government believes these to be spiritual entities, everything that we have seen in our skies and everything possible with UFOs. It seems like there is, is a desperate attempt to keep secret that these are interdimensional beings and spiritual beings.

So does that mean that there are no aliens from other planets? No, it doesn't. I always go back to, and to Sherry's point, I always go back to, are we alone in the universe? Even with God and even with all that, is it possible we're alone with all the millions of stars and galaxies and planets and, or not galaxies, but planets and stars? No, I don't. Because before we get, before we, yeah, before we get any further. I want to get into the Alex Jones part of this because I think this is also very interesting. We've listened to Alex Jones for a very long time.

And so let's get into this clip of what Tucker and Joe have to save Alex Jones. A, your willingness to platform or to have a conversation with Alex Jones, I think was a revolutionary act, actually. Not that everything Alex Jones says is right. It's not. Not everything I say is right or anyone says it's right. But Alex Jones is an interesting person. And even if he's not interesting, he has been walled off from the rest of us through name calling. And your willingness to be like, no, actually, we're just going to listen to Alex Jones and you can decide for yourself.

Well, Alex has been my friend for more than 20 years. Exactly. But even if he was just the, yeah, but I'm sure you have other friends you haven't invited. Just like you were not allowed to talk to him. And when you hear Alex Jones talk, you may not agree with everything. He says, I don't know that I do. but you definitely understand why they told you you couldn't listen to Alex Jones. Well, that's one of the reasons why I had him as one of the first guests when I came over to Spotify.

Love that. I was like, let's go. What did they say? Well, a lot of people weren't happy. We lost sponsors. It was an issue. But I think it did the job, you know. Regardless of what he said that's incorrect, clearly the Sandy Hook thing was incorrect.

You know, Alex, I know Alex. So I know what he was going through. And, you know, everybody wants to talk about mental health and they want to praise people for being honest about their mental health issues and support them on their mental. All right. So they're talking about Alex Jones here. And I'm just going to point out something. Joe Rogan says, obviously he's wrong about Sandy Hook.

Now, you might expect me to say some craziness about Sandy Hook. I ain't stupid, bro. I am not dumb. I am not getting my ass sued for a billion dollars. But what I can say is that I will tell you this. In my opinion, what I believe Alex Jones was trying to portray with the Sandy Hook thing is crisis actors. And he depicted on a few, a couple of occasions, crisis actors. Now, you got to think about what are crisis actors.

Are they even real? Is that even a thing? Yes, it is. Absolutely. the United States government 100% has crisis actors and not only do they have crisis actors, which essentially are people that come into place of other people that can tell and act a better story to get the public narrative to change for a certain thing. Now, that's not to say, by the way, that what happened at Sandy Hook wasn't real.

It's not to say that the families and the parents were not affected and didn't lose their kids. It's not to say any of that stuff. But at the very least, you have to understand and look in and research crisis actors. That's all I'm saying. We're not going to go too deep in the same hook because I'm not even, I don't even want to say the word. I know. But what I think Alex was getting at is this happened. People's lives were lost.

A lot of children's lives were lost. But the government used it to their benefit is that what I think Alex was trying to go after as far as using these crisis actors, the same way they use Antifa, Black Lives Matter. they bus people in to make a narrative for people to see on the news what they want them to see. This is basically what happens. And history repeats itself. Yeah. And to me, what I will say is Alex, Alex had a lot of intel that was coming in during that whole tragedy. And in my opinion, I think that he was being fed a lot of information from sources that was

infiltrated, that knew that they could take him down this way. because you got to think about all the things Alex Jones has been right about, and they're about to get into it right now. And if you have a threat like this, a threat that has a massive audience that is speaking so much truth on so many things, although the government and media and everybody is trying to say, Alex Jones is a conspiracy there's. He's crazy. Don't listen to this guy.

And yet they still listen this guy. The government says, shit, what can we do about this guy? I still think to this day. And I think, me and Ashton, talked about this one time before, I still think that somehow this whole entire Sandhoek thing was played by the government, to take him down. And I think they even utilized sources or people or information because a lot of what Alex was, a lot of the things Alex said about the situation, he was being fed by sources that he,

some of the sources he, I believe, closely trusted. He trusted them and some of them were traders. Yeah, I think so, absolutely. And I think they used that because they knew they could use this. I mean, you've got to think of how the CIA works and all this stuff. Man, they are great at this shit. They are great at manipulation, mind manipulation. And so if you look at the whole consensus, I can go ask my mom right now.

I can jog her brain about who Alex Jones is. She's, oh, my God. Yeah, he is the craziest psychop person on the earth because he said that Sandy Hook didn't happen and all the shit. And then. And he really didn't ever say. that it didn't happen. Well, he kind of did.

I don't know. I'm not going to go there. I don't know. Yeah, we're not going there. But the point is, is that the narrative worked and he was canceled, although he's still alive. So then they took him to court. He got sued for astronomical bullshit type of money, something that could never be paid back. This is what they do.

It's legal warfare. It's what's happening with Trump, regardless of how you see it. It is what's happening with Trump. Anybody that want to get rid of, they used to, they used to just kill you. JFK and Martin Luther King. whoever, now they just sue you to death or kill your character. And that's the same thing. Yeah.

And it's the same thing with even 9-11. Anyone that goes against a narrative of 9-11 of what happened and what the government, you know, showed us on TV. If you have any other question about 9-11 and it didn't happen the way it did, then your conspiracy theorist and you should be sued. Yeah, absolutely. You know, it's even scary to talk about 9-11 in fear of what happened to Alex Jones. Yeah, for sure. But anyways, what they're about to get into with Alex Jones, I think is very important. And we've got to talk about this for a minute.

What they talk about Alex Jones here. Here you go. A journey to wellness. Alex has gone through some real issues. And one of the reasons why he's gone through some issues is because that guy is uncovering real shit that's terrifying every fucking day. And he was drinking out of control. And, you know, he's just fucking constantly stressed freaking out. And when you see so many lies and so much propaganda and so many siops that are being done on people, you start seeing them where they don't exist.

And that's what he did. Well, and he's also channeling some stuff. You can't call 9-11 in detail because you're super informed. Before the fact. He called it. He literally called it. In the summer of 2001, he said planes will fly. into the world trade centers and they will blame a man called Osama bin Laden.

We know that he said that because he said it on tape multiple times. And then he said, call the White House and tell them this. Now, let's just, that's all we know about Alex Jones. Let's just say, that's the fact set. How'd that happen? Right. How did he do that? No, he's channeling something.

You think so? Yeah, of course. Yeah. There's like no other, I mean, tell me how he did it otherwise. I've asked him about it. How did you do that at length? He had dinner in my barn recently. We're talking about this.

How'd you do that? I don't know. It just came to me. And that's real. That is real. The supernatural is real. And I don't know why it's so hard for the modern mind, because it's a materialist mind to accept that. But what you see, and that's not a new phenomenon that's happened throughout history. There are people called prophets. And there are people who were prophets who weren't called prophets, but there are people who have information or parts of information, bits of information, visions of information come to them and then they relay it. It's not for. Got to stop. Yes, this is absolutely true. Basically, listen, I mean, Tucker's not calling out. Jones a profit here, but he is channeling something. And this is not new. I mean, this has happened throughout history.

And then we can even go to recent documents from the United States government about remote viewing. What is remote viewing? Well, for those of you in the UFO community, you might know what remote viewing is. It was a top secret government program where they brought in the most, potentially psychic people that could channel this other consciousness, this other dimension or realm to where others could not. And so what they would do in remote viewing to test these theories is they would have, say,

something happened in San Diego, California, where this person in a room would be building a puzzle of a car or whatever. Or say they were constructing a freaking bird out of popsicle sticks, right? and they would have another person in a room in Washington, D.C. And they would ask this person, we have something going on here, and we want you to tell us what it is. We want you to be able to zone in on what we're telling you what is happening. And this experiment was highly successful with the people that they were able to obtain that they thought they knew could potentially obtain this information through remote viewing. Viewing is basically channeling some type of realm or or spectrum or something to where they could channel something and be able to visualize, get these little clues and things that they could piece this stuff together and then they could say, okay, well, this is what's happening here.

Remote viewing is very real. It is. And I'm going to say this happens to me as well. I have had dreams of things that happen that happen. I'm sure a lot of you have had that happen where you dream about it and then it happens. it's just to me, I don't know how to channel it. I don't, I'm not. It just comes to you sometimes.

And I don't, I'm not educated on how to like deal with it or not. So I, you know, it's just what it is in my life. But I know that I do have these things and there's a lot of other people that have these things beside me. So if you think about these top, you know, 10% of the people that are able to do this and they do it and they did it successfully, it shows you that people are. able to use their brains in other ways than other people can use them. Yeah. I mean, well, you know, you go back to the the amount of brain we use, 10% of our brain we actually utilize.

And so imagine that, you know, that's one, by the way, that's one of the things that DMT does. DMT opens up another subsect of your brain to where it elaborates on your brain. It expands your capabilities of access and places in your brain that otherwise you could not access. A lot of people contribute DMT, which is a natural release of a substance in our brain, the pineal gland. Animals have it more readily available or, or I guess on a better drip release into their system than people do, which I go back to and I've said to so many episodes, which is why they believe that animals can sense things that humans cannot. But even a lot of scientists believe that the DMT release is more prevalent at night in our deep sleep cycle. That is what

potentially causes us to dream. I've only had a few fluid dreams in my life as far as being able to actually control what I can do. I wish wholeheartedly I could do this on a regular basis because the very few times I was able to do it was insane. It is crazy. I mean, you can go like literally. You can do whatever you want. You can dream something and then go back into your dream and redo the dream. Like redo a retake.

I've done that and I've done a retake all night and done the dream over. and over and over until I got it right the way I wanted it. Yeah. But it was weird because in my fluid dream, I, when I, yeah, actually the fluid dream, I had this dream and then I woke up, went back in it. And then I realized when I was in this environment, I was like, oh, I'm in a dream. Now let me see what I can do. And let me see if I'm able to do this.

Yeah, let me see if I can change it with my mind power in the dream. Well, it was just I started doing whatever I want to do. And I realized in the dream, I'm in a dream and I'm about to. I'm just about to go wild, bro. It's like a movie. It was the craziest experience of ever had. It's so cool. And so those experiences are so nuts because I remember this dream in particular.

I was in this bar. And so I dropped down this bar and there was a fight going on in the upper balcony. And this was like a three tiered bar. It was very strange. Wooden bar. Seems like it might have been in like the 1930s or something, which is weird. I was like back in a day. And I always tell Sherry, by the way, I always feel like if I would have lived in another

life, I was, I was like in the late 1800s, early 1900s, somewhere around there. Because I always have these, I always have these almost, what is it called? Not, I always have these visions. I'll be in certain times or certain environments or certain things. Deshavu. And it will take me back to like 1800s. Like I was there. I remember it.

I feel it. I smell it. I sense it. I get so excited because I do that too. I just love that. Other people can do that. But it's weird. And so in this particular experience, I was back in this bar and it was an old

timey bar type thing. But it was three tier bar. I went in there. There was a fight up there. There was someone that had like an old timey revolver type thing. And I remember I said, oh, I have, let me, let me just see. So I jumped on this table in front of me. And then I jumped over like 28, 30 feet to the bar.

And I realized I had powers. And I was like, oh, my God. Were you like in a red suit? No, I have no idea. I have no, I know. I didn't have a Superman shit. I'm just kidding. But anyways.

So then I looked up. I remember I looked up at the second row or the second story of this bar. And I see this where these people were fighting. There were women and children. They're screaming. There was someone with a revolver. And I freaking flew up to the second tier. of this bar and started whooping ass, like throwing people through the wall.

I mean, it was nuts. And I had superpowers. And then everyone was like, oh, my God, you're, you just saved us. And then I remember I jumped up on top of the roof and like jumped out. It was, it was just nuts. But I, I knew in this thing, I was in this experience. And I, and I was going to try to utilize this shit as long as I could. I was like, come on.

Let's just keep going. Because I have all these powers. Yeah. And I can do what I want in my. dream. It was nuts. That was the craziest dream I've ever had that I was able to fully control everything to happen. And normally when I have dreams like that, they're normally like terrible, awful, evil dreams that I can go back and manipulate the first time I have to go through it. And I'm like pretty much crying in my dream like, oh my God, I cannot believe this happened. And then when I like kind

of go back to sleep, I go back into the dream. And then I try to manipulate the dream so it doesn't happen like that again. And I might do that like 10 times. Yeah. Until I can get. the dream where I'm okay with it. That's weird. I've never been, I've never, I've never, I've never been able to do that. I always, a lot of my dreams are always very weird. But anyways, getting back to Alex Jones, it's just like, can you channel things? Are there people that can do this?

Well, we know the government did it. We, we know that actually the program was very successful. And although the government tried to say that remote viewing was canceled because it wasn't very successful, there are a lot of people that said it was absolutely successful. And they still believe that they do remote viewing to this day, including for our national security and international intelligence to where there are potentially remote viewers that are viewing things in other countries for what their technology and weaponry are. I mean, this is how insane that remote viewing is.

Take as many technological advancements that you can possibly do. Satellites, listening devices, spying people in other countries. The Havana syndrome, all that stuff, everything. Yeah. Yeah, anything you can possibly talk about. But regardless, I think that remote viewing is still potentially the government's number one tool to actually know what other countries are really doing and filling and thinking and their mindset and their movements and all this stuff. I know that sounds crazy. Yeah, I know.

And they're using people with their minds. There's nothing else beside their minds. Absolutely. So let's listen a little more about what Tucker and Joe were talking about with Alex Jones' potential special powers. And visions of information come to them and then they relay it. It's not from them. They received it. This is like the, you know, one of the oldest phenomenon in human history.

So those people tend to be a little crazy, a little imbalanced, a little different from everybody else. Do you know what I mean? They live on locusts and honey in the wilderness. I mean, that's just like that's, they're not like everybody else. And that's clearly part of what, I'm not saying that everything that Alex Jones says is a prophecy from God. It's not. but that was prophetic. And if it wasn't, tell me how it wasn't.

In July of 2000, like I lived in Washington in July of 2001. You know, my dad worked in the government. Like I was as well informed as anybody could be about what was going on in the government. I've always been interested in what's happening in other countries. I was aware of Osama bin Laden. I knew about the Taliban. I knew, you know, more than most people. There's not one person who was saying not one person in Washington, D.C.

was saying, you know, at some point soon, they may fly. airplanes into the world trade centers and blame Osama bin Laden, like, that just wasn't a thing. So if you said that multiple times on camera, there's a reason. And everyone, I've said this to 50 people what I just said to you and they all look at me like, yeah, that's stupid. Tell me how it's stupid. Like, tell me how he did that. Like, that's impossible.

He didn't just do it with that either. No, I'm aware. He's done it with a lot of things. And that's one of the more interesting things about him is that, like, He talks about stuff. He talked about, like, I'm going to send this to Jamie because this is one of the really crazy ones that he called. And this is like 2000, 2000, probably, I guess 2017. By the way, while they're getting this up, we're going to talk through this.

Yeah, Alex Jones called 9-11. Called 9-11. Yeah, he definitely. In July of 2001. A few months before 9-11, he called it and said that they would blame Osama bin Laden for this. And it happened. So is either he is channeling something or he had a great insight into the government. And he had a very deep connect that said this was going to happen.

I'm telling you right now. Yeah. Is he prophetic or is he very well connected to someone that knew what the hell they were planning? and they wanted to get it out because they knew that potentially it was going to kill thousands of people. That could be more likely. Yeah. And he said, call the White House and tell them. Yeah, absolutely.

Because he knew it was going to happen. So is it more prophetic or is it someone actually inside the government that was warning through his channel? Either case, they should have listened. All right. Here you go. Info wars. Alex Jones and Joe Rogan discuss what's currently happening right now. Google, CERN, technology.

Vampire, aliens. In a nutshell, Alex, was pretty on point with this message. Let me know what your thoughts are. And by the way, he's talking about in 2017, all the stuff Alex was saying on your Rogan podcast, essentially about what's happening now. Crazy?

Or is he on to something? It's really big. Okay. Pour another shot of that. The media. I just get this out properly. Please. Deep research proclamation.

What do you think is going? But am I wrong? to still hold out hope that aliens are real? Because I'll tell you, that's one, the two guilty pleasures that I still cling to is Bigfoot and aliens. Those are two. Bigfoot not so much. I wish it was real, but I just don't. Are you ready?

Yes. Bigfoot's real? No. Come on, Daddy. No. Are you ready? Yes. I'm going to give you the biggest a lot of the show.

They're really in this room right now. For real? Yeah, you're not of this world, bro. Me? You're the alien. Oh, wow. I didn't know. Well, here's what the elite believe.

And let me be very clear as the media. this out context. I only go with what I can prove. Oh, thank you. And people can't even handle that. There's armies. We're fighting a pedophile conspiracy, but beyond that, it's a vampire conspiracy in that they are interdimensionally sucking the essence of our youth. Right. And they believe they're possessed by an off-world entity. They do? Yeah, and Joe, I've been on air 22 years. I don't get into aliens, metaphysical, religion, any of that. I've studied the elite, and I've also communicate with a lot of the top people. And if you want to know, I will actually break down right now, the best knowledge right now what's happening on the planet. What's happening?

The elite are all about transcendence and living forever and the secrets of the universe and they want to know all this. Some are good, some are bad, some are a mix. But the good ones don't ever want to organize, the bad ones didn't want to organize because they lost after power. Powerful consciousnesses don't want to dominate other people. They want to empower them so they don't tend to get together until things are really late in the game. Then they come together. Evil's always defeated because good is so much stronger. And we're on this planet, and Einstein's physics showed at

Max Planck's physics showed at least 12 dimensions. And now that's why all the top scientists and billionaires are coming out saying it's a false hologram. It is artificial. The computers are scanning it and finding tension points

where it's artificially projected and gravity's bleeding in to this universe. That's what they call dark matter. So we're like a thought or a dream that's a wisp in some computer programs, some God's mind,

whatever, they're proving it all. It's all coming out. Now, there's like this sub-transmission zone below the third dimension that's just turned over to the most horrible things is what it resonates to. And it's trying to get up into the third dimension that's just a basic level consciousness to launch into the next levels. And our species is already way up at the fifth, sixth dimension, consciously, our best people. But there's this big war trying to like basically destroy humanity because humanity has free will. and there's a decision to which level we want to go to. We have free will, so evil's allowed to come and contend, not just good. And the elites themselves believe they're racing or using human technology to try to take our best minds

and build some type of breakaway civilization where they're going to merge with machines, transcend, and break away from the failed species of this man, which is kind of like a false transmission because they're thinking what they are is ugly and bad, projecting it onto themselves instead of believing, no, it's a human test about building us up. And so Google was set up 18, 19 years ago. I knew about this before it was declassified, I'm just saying I have good sources, that they wanted to build a giant artificial system. And Google believes that the first artificial intelligence will be a supercomputer

based on the neuron activities of the hive mind of humanity with billions of people wired into it with the Internet of things. And so all of our thoughts go into it. it and we're actually building a computer that has real neurons in real time that's also psychically connected to us that are organic creatures so that they will have current prediction powers future prediction powers a true crystal ball but the big secret is once you have a crystal ball and know the future you can add stimuli beforehand and make decisions that control the future and so then it's the end of consciousness and free will for individuals as we know and a true

2.0 in a very bad way, hive mind consciousness with an AI jacked into everyone knowing our hopes and dreams delivering it to us, not in some PKD wirehead system where we plug in and give up on consciousness because of unlimited pleasure, but because we were already wired and absorbed before we knew it by giving over our consciousness to this system by our daily decisions that it was able to manipulate and control into a larger system. There's now a human counterstrike taking place to shut this off before it gets fully into place and to block these systems. and to try to have an actual debate about where humanity goes and cut off the pedophiles and psychic vampires that are control of this AI system before humanity is destroyed. The AI?

How'd the pedophile? Yeah, it's pretty much it. Yeah. It's incredible. It's, that was seven years ago. That was seven years ago. Yeah, okay. So.

No, seven years ago, no one was thinking AI was going to take over civilization. So you can see why the FBI decided to decide. destroy him, which it did. The people in, I mean, it's just like what has happened to Alex Jones is proof that at least some of what he's saying is true because why, who is Alex Jones a threat to? Did you see that interview with the guy from FBI was trying to hook up with it? All right. So there we go.

Alex Jones says a lot here back in 2017. About AI. And we, I'm just going to say, we had to delete part of the beginning of the podcast because we had a little bit of a debate about it and we weren't going into AI, but it was exactly what I'm talking about. Well, it was. I mean, I think where we started talking about the UFOs interdimensionality, spiritual side of it, I don't think that the interdimensionalality side of what we are talking about

as far as UFOs and phenomenon necessarily have to do with AI. What Alex Jones is saying here, I believe, is that our elites want to continue. controlled the human civilization through artificial intelligence. And they want to be able to forgo free will. And what does that even mean? Well, that means that they manipulate and brainwash your mind so much that your free will is no longer even in existence. You don't even know what free will is anymore.

I'm seeing this today. You talk to your mother that might be 60 and 70 years old. 80 years old, there is no free will anymore. They are mind controlled. They are literally connected to that television set and they are beaming in this information. And look, it's been a very great campaign for mainstream media because if you are 70 years old and you lived by the TV in situations like JFK and even 9-11 and World War II or well, not World War II, but, well, World War II was through papers and stuff.

But even still, mainstream media. But, I mean, all these various massive events that you trusted the media so much. You depended on the media for your news and information. And you, that is the only way you knew information to come. That was the only way that you knew what was actually going on in the world. Yeah, but we're talking. That's talking about two different things. We're talking about AI versus news networks.

I know I get it. News networks is what's brainwashing older people. I know. It's not AI. No, it isn't. No, I get it. But my point is, is that they don't understand that, though. And mass media in a large part is completely in control.

But AI is wanting to do away with free will. And a large part of what AI is actually doing is algorithmic. things. So, for example, when my mom logs on Facebook, when your mom logs on Facebook or or any older person that is any way connected to the internet, everything is an algorithm of what you see and what you do not. That is AI. It is a system that is implanting a narrative into the minds of any and everyone. It's not just older people. It is everyone. That is why a lot of people say, well, shit, why would Elon must spend $40-something billion to create a company or to buy a company like X? Why does they even matter? Well, listen, there are definitely still people getting

censored and banned and we've been censored on X and I think he has a lot of work to do on X. I think he has infiltrated still very heavily at X. I think he has a lot of woke-ass people that have infiltrated that company. He doesn't even realize that. Yeah, but imagine if he didn't buy. Imagine. Right now. Absolutely. Yeah, if X was not in existence. And by the way, I encourage every single person that listens to this episode. If you don't like X or Twitter or any of that shit, I encourage you to go download X because it is, in my opinion, right now, to date, the number one news source you can possibly ever get. I mean, I'm not talking about Fox or or even Google or any of that shit.

I'm saying if you want up to date instantaneous news, go follow us and investigate. this podcast. And then if you look after you follow us, it'll say suggested people to follow based on who we follow. Go follow those people. Because the people we follow, I think, I mean, there are some people probably that are more biased to this side or to that side. But all I'm saying is there are a lot of people that are just trying to report what the hell is actually going on right then and there. And you can see both sides of it. You have a, you have a complete picture. You do not have it anywhere else. Nonetheless, Alex Jones is talking about dark matter. Even in 2007, He said,

I didn't even know what it was. Yeah, we're being implitated by dark matter. It's all around us. And he said, Joe, you are the alien. Now, what he's saying exactly there, that's a whole other subject. But he did say, Alex said, look, Joe, I have good sources. I have good sources.

Was his good sources the reason why he knew about 9-11? Because listen, I understand what Tucker's saying is like, was he channeling some spirituality? thing. I think it good sources. Yeah, or was it, Alex Jones had very good sources in the government that knew exactly what was about to happen with 9-11 because they were planning it. Well, he even knew about Bohemian Grove and actually got himself into the boys.

Oh, absolutely did. And then you got to think about, you know, listen, was someone as big as Alex Jones was and still is in a lot of ways. I mean, I think Alex probably may be bigger now than he's ever been because of the amount of cancellation and everything that's happened. And honestly, guys, if you are listening to this podcast and you believe in free speech and you believe in the people and someone that actually is trying to fight for the people, you guys should support Alex Jones.

Yeah. I mean, you should support. It's free speech. It's free will too. No. But you should support Alex Jones. You should go if you see a product he has that you want to buy. This is not a commercial or Alex, but I'm just saying that I've never seen in a long time

someone attacked like Alex Jones has been to try to destroy everything that he is. And we've been in a similar situation like Alex's as far as a lawsuit like this, as far as someone attacking us, trying to destroy us based on what we either knew or didn't know or whatever the case was. And so all I can say is I relate to Alex Jones in a lot of ways. And as far as that goes, and what I'm telling you is that the Sandy Hook lawsuit, no matter what you think of it was the it was the nuclear bomb for Alex Jones. They didn't have to put a nuclear bomb in his house.

They didn't have to go and kill him with a rifle like they did JFK. But you know why. But they did it through the lawsuit. You know who I equate Alex Jones to is Trump. They're both on the kind of same pedestal where people are trying to get them down and take them away. Yeah. You know, it's like with Trump too, with all these. lawsuits and these things and he can't be out of court.

He can't go to his son's graduation. And it's all because he is a presidential candidate. They don't want him to go out in campaign. So they're doing everything they can to keep them in-house and away from the people. No, I agree. It's kind of the same thing with Alex Jones. They don't want people to hear Alex Jones and what he has to say. Even Alex said here, he said, you know, the 2017, there's a massive pedophile conspiracy.

this realm has infiltrated. They are controlling these elites. They have sold themselves basically to the devil. And they are they have this pedophar ring. They are essentially sacrificing kids in sexual ways for the devil. He didn't necessarily say that. But that's why he was eluding to. And God, we're seeing that.

Yeah, we see it with our own eyes. We're seeing it right now. Man, holy shot. I don't know what else to kind of say here. I want to break away from the videos. I want to break away from my notes. notes, all this shit. I, I'm going to wrap my notes up right here because I've been just noting stuff up.

And, you know, as we listen. Yeah. Well, we've listened this episode like two or three times. Yeah. A bunch. And we have. And I told Chad, I was like, I don't even know if I want to do it because it's kind of boring. He's like, chat, but Sherry, it'll be good when we like talk about it.

Because these are very important things. I don't know. I thought it was the whole thing. I guess it was not well prepared because Jamie was having to get the information. up, you know, I just don't like that kind of stuff. It doesn't matter. I don't know. Whatever. We, I mean, the problem is that we don't have producers or

all this stuff and we just can do whatever. Yeah, they should have done way better is what I'm saying. Okay. Well, that doesn't matter. The point is that they're trying to get information out and I don't know necessarily Hugh, you know, I've been disappointed in Juror Rogan in some

ways since, I guess kind of the Peter McCullough thing, Alice Jones thing. When they put pressure on him. He kind of backed away from a lot of that for quite a while. And even still, I mean, he tries to, it seems like he fights narratives. And I even go back to 2017 when he was Graham Hancock. I think it was 2017 when he was some Graham Hancock and whoever the other guy was. I can't think right now. But either way, no, anyways, Graham Hancock. And when he was talking to him about Trump and all this stuff and how he was

so against Trump and he was, you know, Joe Rogan is essentially a liberal. I mean, let's just be honest. Oh, yeah, he is. Definitely. And what what the world has given people like Joe Rogan that are not so far left that they can't ever come back. But what the world has given these people is a wake-up call. It is a reality check of, okay, you're liberal? Okay, well, let's see what your liberal ideologies are doing for the world right now. And now you're seeing those. And so, Whereas he has made comments about, I got it, I would have to vote for Trump now and I have to do this. But he's still a so on that liberal side. He still feels like he has to fight the narrative.

He has to fight the agenda. And the reality is, guys and girls out there, we have to fight for what we believe. And what is it that we believe? Well, we don't know. But listen, I mean. Yes, we do believe. And we know what we believe. No, we do.

But that's what I'm saying. Sometimes Sherry and I debate on here. And we debate on things that, you know, Sherry has a different point of view than I do. And that's natural. That's normal. That is something that, you know, I think a lot of people have. But are these things spiritual entities?

I at the very least say that these phenomenon that is happening, the UFO and the UAP and all of this is a very spiritual thing. is all of it a spiritual thing? I don't know. To Sherry's point, could it be both? Absolutely. Could it be a both physical being from another planet? Yes, it could be.

It also very well could be a spiritual entity. And it seems like to me that the more information coming out from our government, the more things that they're trying to hide and the more whistleblowers are coming forward saying that, hey, this is more of a spiritual entity than a physical entity, although it can manifest, It manifests itself in a in a physical entity. There's even some some dark reports about these things being able to infiltrate people in human bodies, potentially. You know, you think about one of the craziest, in my opinion, the thing I've always heard of, the craziest conspiracies among all. I mean, to me, parts of like the, a lot of the flatter stuff is, is the crazy.

I mean, until someone, you know, proves otherwise flat earth, pretty big. conspiracy. The other thing, reptilians. Reptilians, there's a very crazy conspiracy, but I also think that maybe they're trying to throw people off the trail of entities infiltrating human bodies or people. What if people can see things that normal people cannot see? Yeah, but what I'm saying is, are they trying to throw people off the trail by saying something like lunacy of reptilians? Like, they're actually reptiles. That, I mean, that sounds crazy. crazy because it probably is. Right.

But are there actual entities infiltrating human bodies? Are they in physical form? Do we have beings walking on this planet right now that look like humans? What if you are? They're actually not. And I'm married to you. I don't think I am because I think I'd be smarter or something. Okay.

I want to ask you one question. I'm going to get you off this subject for just one minute. But I'm this is one thing that I'm always, always curious about. And I know you don't have an answer, but I just want to know what your opinion is. When we talk about these orbs, these, these, these, crafts that we see. And you and I have both seen them physically. It's right here.

Okay. We have both seen them physically with our own eyes in the atmosphere. And we've seen them on TV. And we've seen like major military people capture these things, these orbs. Sometimes they're tick-tack. Sometimes they look like triangular. Sometimes they say they've been as big as a football stadium. What's, is they physical?

If it's physical, is there a pilot? Is there something like? Like, like. Or a spirit. No, I'm just saying no. Don't go the spirit thing right now. I just want to know. Do you think there could be a pilot like driving these things?

Well, what I will tell you is. In physical form. Okay. Well, that's going to be hard for me to say. Yeah, because you just think it's all spiritual. Well, no. I didn't. But, I mean, if you think about what you see in the sky.

But what if it is an interdimensional person that is driving it interdimensional and it goes into our dimension. Okay. Well, There are two various things that. You can say that one is a craft that an interdimensional spirit is driving. Or you can say it is a craft that a physical spirit or a physical thing is driving, right? And I think at the end of the day, how you can kind of compute this, which is a very weird thing,

is that our bodies are a craft in our souls and our beings and our thoughts are a spiritual entity. Right. And really to think about how crazy a UFO may be. It's really not that crazy. It's not that crazy because if you believe that what is inside of us and our beliefs and our thoughts and our feelings is a soul, which is a spiritual entity. Right. And our body is the craft. It's not that hard to believe.

And so it's just. Gosh, sorry. I just crashed into the microphone. Yeah. And so she crashed her spiritual wine glass into the damn microphone. But anyways. So if you think of it that way, I mean, our bodies are a craft and what we think and how we're talking and what we believe and feel. when we're hurt, we're sad, we're happy, we're mad.

Those are all spiritual feelings. Those are all things that are interacting with us. And by the way, I think other spiritual phenomenon or entities can interact with our feelings because we're on a wavelength. Right. And the frequency and all of that. Yes. And so, but our physical manifestation is our bodies, these things, whatever it is, these lights,

some of them look like objects. Some of them, though, look like lights. They look like orbs. Orbs. And some of these things, whatever, these are things. these things are bigger orbs. Some of these things are smaller orbs. Some of these things you cannot actually see a physical structure.

It just looks like a light. Yeah. It could be just a massive spiritual force. Yeah, but some of them look like pyramid like types of ships or Tick-Tac or just a regular sphere school thing. Yeah, absolutely. It's all these things. But what I'm saying is that when you think about how crazy it sounds that these things could be spiritual carrying bodies of physical matter that is carrying. anti-matter or something?

I mean, that sounds crazy. I know. But it is a capsule that could potentially harness the antimatter, which is interesting concept as well. That's a total different thing that we got to go to. Which could be an evil entity inside of the physical structure. Who knows? But regardless, look at yourself.

Go to a mirror right now and look at your physical body. If you bleed out, if you stab yourself right in the face. Oh, my God, Chad. I'm sorry. This is getting bad. But what I'm saying is hide your kids. had your wife. But if you bled out, you have a motor vehicle accident, your physical body dies because

that physical structure of how your body survives is dead. Yeah, just like they've had down aircrafts. Yeah. So are you saying, though, if you actually believe that your spiritual being inside of you just dies because your physical body dies, that doesn't make sense. Because you are a carrier. You are a carrier of your spirit. And would you not think the same thing with these beings?

Yeah. Even if we found like beings from not this earth. Like they said they had non-human biologics, meaning biologic material. Yeah, you could also find the spacecraft of these physical being or physical craft. And that doesn't necessarily even mean you're going to find the beings. It could mean that you find the craft, but you don't find the entity because the entity is gone. It was a spiritual force that was interacting with this physical force or this physical. or this physical manifestation.

So it wouldn't, you know, it wouldn't surprise me that you have downcraft that you could potentially reverse engineer. And then you even got to think about like, could humans reverse engineer interdimensional craft? Maybe. I don't know. But this could be interdimensional craft. Oh, that's what I'm saying.

That's exactly what I'm saying. But could we actually reverse engineer interdimensional craft? I think we'd have to have the right. We'd have to have the right material on Earth. and I don't think we do have that. Yeah, we don't even know it. I mean, but it could be a material that we don't have anywhere in the universe, only in the other realm. That's what's crazy.

I mean, it's hard to even think and conceive that. When you think in the other realm, you don't really need material because it's a different realm. Maybe. I mean, maybe you do. Maybe they manifest themselves with physical structures to our world. And that's how they, I don't know. There's so many things you can say. here, I just want people to understand that when you look at these things, you look at

interdimensional, you look at the craft, you look at all this stuff. Don't think that's so complicated because that's literally us. Maybe it's we're making it over complicated. We are. That's us. I mean, I think these crafts or whatever we're seeing, these interdimensional beings, there's no different to us. It's just we are in a physical body. And maybe they are too in some way. And then they have both spiritual sides of this. There are various things you can think about here. Are there pilots in some of these things? Yes.

That's what I want to know too. Do are they piloted? I think a lot of them don't. I think a lot of are they non-manned crafts. Well, I think a lot of them are orbs or whatever. Yes. I think a lot of them are not piloted though. I mean, some of these things are so small.

They, they don't appear to be able to be piloted. And even that, I mean, even if you, even if you look at whistleblower reports saying that some of the things they saw, some of these beings were like two feet, three feet tall. And then their heads were huge. So they had a massive capacity for brain waves. Right. So that was probably, you know, you know, so we say that we can access 10% of our brains.

But if these things can access, say 500% of what we would be able to utilize if we had the brain capabilities that they did, who knows what that means. Right. We don't know. But think about the orbs that you saw around me that one time or a couple of times. We've seen little tiny orbs around me. You know, these are tiny little things like orbs. Are they crafted by aliens or are they just orbs?

Are they lights? Are they spiritual? What are these things? Well, I don't know. Because I would think that these things that are really tiny, I'm talking about tiny, like a dime size maybe. No, I don't know that. You think they're smaller?

Yeah, I mean, they almost look like lightning bugs. even though it was winter. Yeah, they looked like insects. But they were red. Some of them were white. It was very interesting. But I'll never forget, though, before we wrap this up, the time we were on the driving range of the golf course, and it was about, it was like 8.30.

It was almost dark. And we started seeing these orbs. I mean, it looked like a plane flying through the clouds, but it just kept resetting itself. Oh, yeah. It was like a glitch or something in the atmosphere or something. Or in our reality. Yeah.

And it was like, and it was from A to B. A to B. A to B. And then it was switch a little distance and it would go A to B. This was not by the way a hologram. This was this was very defined, a very bright light that would go from point A to point B. Then we'll switch over, go to point A to point B. This lasts over 30 minutes, 45 minutes. It was so weird.

And it was like it was entering a portal or going through a dimension. Maybe this was one thing. Maybe it was multiple things entering some type of thing. Yeah, that's why I will never forget that. Yeah. And that's why I don't think we can rule. rule anything out. Yeah.

You know, we have to be able to be accepting of all. You can't just say it's this way or no way. You got to be accepting and realize that it could be anything or everything. But I will say that you have to accept the fact there's good and evil. And you better be on the side of good. And whatever that means to you, let it mean that to you. Because I'm telling you, we're in a battle between good and evil. There are very evil entities and people in this world.

I think that I go back to the possibility of our government having a relationship with evil entities. I think that could possibly explain how corrupt and how savage and how just insane our government is today. Our world is today. And so just say you take nothing more than the potential aspect of our government being in a relationship with some evil entity. And sign the dotted line with them. Yeah, or something. and you go back to Eisenhower. Was it Eisenhower that had the...

Yeah, it was Eisenhower. Yeah, Eisenhower that potentially met with aliens or beings or beings or whatever it was. You know, go back to that. I mean, we know that our government has some type of relationships with these beings, but it would be very important to know, are these relationships good or bad? And it seems like potentially they're bad. And it makes more sense than they're bad because, you know, we are being controlled by what many people will believe is an evil force.

We are literally destroying ourselves from within. And it's like as the people look on, it's like, how the hell could our government be this bad? There's no way that they're making this many mistakes about our own, against our own people. There's no way. And they're doing that. And yet they are. And so it has to be some evil entity involved. And then you look at the World Economic Forum, the elites that meet.

And by the way, 90% of the meetings at World Economic Forum are private. They only have 10% of the meetings. out in public, who are they meeting with? What kind of, you know, what kind of treaties are they building with potential demonic entities or whatever? It is, to me, it seems like they're selling the world to the devil, although, sorry, although in the end, I think God says very clearly what will happen with those people. What will happen with those people that sell their souls the devil is they will reckon and there will be a great awakening and there will be a battle of Armageddon according to the Bible and if that's the case, God will win and that's what you got

to remember. You just have to choose what side you're on. Are you on good or evil? Guys, until next time, we love you very much. Peace out. Peace out, guys. She said, now you're free men. You better chase those dreams and I don't think you're the perfect fit.

I do believe What I see Go tell your friends I'll be back on my feet By the winter I hope it feels like you wanted Don't like it as a free man