Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Kyle Rittenhouse Trial Podcasts | Closing Arguments Recap

Episode Date: November 16, 2021

Today was the closing arguments in the Kyle Rittenhouse Trial where the prosecution and the defense had their last chance to prove to the jury their case. Will Kyle be convicted of murder or be protected under self defense? All of that and more on this episode of the Kyle Rittenhouse Trial Podcasts Closing Arguments Recap.

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Hope everyone is having an amazing November the 15th, 2021. It is getting colder here in the south. A little bit. Chad thinks it cold. I think it feels great. Well, 45 to 50 degrees. It's cold enough for me. But anyways, I know you guys are listening all around the world. So you might be listening in Alaska. You could be listening in Florida and Miami and hanging out and having a great time in the heat. But not for us. It's getting colder here.

And the jury room in the Kyle Rittinghouse trial has been cold too, man. man, between the defense, the prosecution, and the judge, they pretty much all hate each other. Just that atmosphere. The atmosphere is cold. Yeah, it is for sure. And, you know, it's something that I've been thinking about this whole time. I would love to just be able to see the jury, like, see the reaction on their faces, see what they're thinking about everything that's going on. But, guys, this is the, this was the last day for both the prosecution and defense to prove their case, try to convince the jury one way or the other, whether Kyle is.

is guilty of murder or whether he is afforded the protection under the self-defense clause of the law. Now, this is a huge case not only for Wisconsin, for the Kenosha area, for determining and seeing kind of what happens based on the outcome of the case, but it's also a huge case for the United States, for our politics, for our government, but also it's a huge case for all of us that live in the United States. And the reason I say that is because this is a case that is fighting a basic human right, a right that we are all afforded under the law, which is the right to self-defense.

And it's not even, it goes a little deeper than just the right to self-defense. It goes a little bit past that to the right to bear arms, the right to have a weapon. You know, it's something that they've kind of really just muddied up in this trial, just talking about the fact that he even had a weapon. And so many people, they're at this entire case, up until now,

which I myself didn't, but I had been saying, I was telling you, Sherry, that, you know, this whole time I was like, man, I mean, he was 17. It was like most states have laws that, you know, that you are not laws, but you're usually allowed to carry it or use a firearm, usually after 16, as long as it's over a certain length or whatever. Yeah, because my daughter has a friend that she, her dad was a sheriff, actually, and her dad gave her a gun, and as long as it was not concealed,

when she was 16 and, you know, even I think when she was driving or whatever, she had a gun in her car that her dad, which was a sheriff, gave to her. So the law is only that you can't buy the gun until you're 18, but you can possess a gun. Yeah. And I think that's a big difference. So, yeah, and it is, and it's a huge difference. But, you know, also that was something that they kept, you know, really one of the only things that the prosecution has had this entire time was, he should not have been in this place with a gun.

He did not have a legal right to carry a gun. I cannot believe he had a weapon. It was this whole huge thing. He took it across county lines. State lines. Yeah, state lines. He did all this, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, but state lines, you know, that's proven to be untrue, the whole thing.

But then today, the judge threw out the charge of possessing a weapon under the age of 18. Because guess what? It's not a law in Wisconsin. He was legally not only allowed to have that weapon that night, but he was allowed to carry the weapon. He was allowed to be there in Kenosha, just the same as anyone else. Right. And the only thing that they were kind of questioning was the barrel length. And because it didn't have a short barrel length.

Well, it's because that's part of the law. It says someone, I think 16 or older can possess a long rifle, but it has to be over 16 inches. A barrel. Yeah. So that played in part. And even like the defense turning, he had his measuring tape ready for that charge. Yeah.

Yeah, he did. But he used it for something later. Yeah. Which was awesome. But guys, thank you for listening to Investigator. We are going to get into all. all that in just a moment, but I want to say again, thanks for everybody this coming over to our Facebook, checking us out, commenting, doing all that.

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and maybe not just Americans I mean you know of course there's other countries in worse off situations than just the right to protect themselves and maybe we're just being locked down everywhere around the world right now but for the United States especially this

has to do with our right to bear arms and our right to self-defees fence. And the first one is the right to bear arms. They're trying to muddy up, like I said, the whole idea of owning a firearm. They want to make it out and look like that everyone that has a firearm and everyone that, you know, may carry a firearm openly, which is very legal in many states, you know, they, the media, when I say they, especially the left wing media, wants everyone to feel like those are racist people. They are all Trump supporters. They're they're all white nationalists, white supremacy,

KKK members. This is what the media's picture that they're trying to paint, just like they did with Kyle. With Kyle Rittinghouse, they immediately painted a picture of white supremacy, and they immediately painted a picture of, number one, he was too young to have a gun.

He was 17, so he was already illegal and all this shit. That was a huge part of their case until, guess what, it was not illegal for him to do that. And just for you guys to know, like we've been to the gun store several times. And when we go to the gun store, especially,

I can't remember the time we went last time, but there was a line to get into this gun store. And it has been for two, three years. Or the summer, whenever. But anyways, in this line, it wasn't just white people. There was every kind of nationality you could even imagine. And it was females, males. There was every type of person you could imagine going into this gun store.

So it's not a bunch of white people buying guns. It's, you know, Asians. blacks, whites, Hispanics. I mean, everybody was there. I mean, I could not see a difference between anything. Did you feel like the same? Yeah, yeah.

I mean, it's all the same. Yeah, so it's not just like these white supremac people wanting guns. No, there's a lot of other races that have guns and carry guns every day. Yeah, and there's also many, there's many studies actually out right now that show in many polls where they poll people and they ask ethnicity and all. this stuff, but there's more black people now that own weapons than probably ever before and legally owning weapons and for both sides. And I think that's what it needs to be.

Yeah. If you're illegal, if you are legally allowed to own a firearm or possess firearm, even though if you go back to the Second Amendment, technically everyone kind of should be able to possess firearm. Well, they're saying, well, the only thing that goes against it is if you're a felon. Yeah. Pretty much. But are you saying that felons should have a firearm?

Well, no, but we're not even going to get in that. But the Second Amendment says shall not be infringed. Yeah. You know. I get that. So, the prosecutor started and they basically opened the case up in their closing arguments. Thomas Binger is the one that started. He's dumb of the dumb and dumber.

And he opened his closing arguments and basically trying to question Kyle Reddinghouse's motive of being in Kenosha. And so his whole thing in the beginning of this case and the beginning of his closing argument was questioning and trying to get the jury to believe that Kyle wasn't there to help anyone. No one invited him there. No one, I mean, no one asked him to protect anything, even though all of these things were lies. All of these things have been proven in court. But this is what, yeah, when I say proven, I mean with evidence or testimony. But this is what Thomas Binger wanted to present to the jury. Now I'm going to go ahead and tell you guys what the prosecution's entire game plan was today in their closing arguments was simple it was to ignore

everything that has came through this trial as far as evidence goes ignore everything that anyone said basically either proven Kyle riddinghouse acted in self-defense or let's also ignore all the video evidence that is apparent that that really if it would have been released prior to the the DA, which I say that, but the reality is that, even with that, the DA would have still prosecuted because this was a political case. Right. They arrested him within two hours. Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, in charge him with murder. And charged him with murder. And nothing had even been picked up yet. Nothing had happened. No one even cared about his story. It was just, this is it. Well, they're like, well, he did turn himself in. Well, what is he supposed to do?

Yeah. That doesn't mean you don't look at the evidence. Yeah. And so the prosecution was trying to prove that Kyle Ridinghouse was there. He wanted to play superhero or he wanted to play a vigilante role. And he wasn't there to help anyone. He didn't care about anyone else. He just wanted to look important. He just wanted to stand out in the crowd. And he wasn't scared of nobody.

You know, this was the whole first initial push of Thomas Binger, this moron prosecutor, that has done probably one of the worst jobs in prosecution history of any case ever. I mean, literally, I guarantee you there are probably, really shitty public defenders, which by the way, a lot of people, public defenders get a bad rap because usually public defenders are paid very little. And they have tons of cases and, you know, they don't know which case, you know, they have, like their hands are full. And a lot of times they don't necessarily really care that much.

Yeah. And that's not all of them. But what I will say is that I guarantee you there were many public defenders that were at home watching this entire case and just laughing. Yeah. Well, and I was just going to say before you get. into it, Chad, that the defense really brought up a really good point

because in their opening statements in November 2nd, they were saying how they're going to prove that Kyle was chasing Rosenbaum down the street and he chased them down and shot him in cold blood. This was their opening statement. Which, by the way, the media had been saying for months. Yeah.

It's almost like the prosecution was getting their case from the media. The media. Yeah. And they're like in the opening stuff, they were saying, all this, that he's a cold-blooded murderer. He chased him down and he killed him and blah, blah, blah. Well, okay, to me, thinking about if you read a book or write a paper or do a report, you have a topic paragraph, your first opening paragraph is usually the same as your conclusion,

right? You conclude what you said in your opening statement. Well, they had to change completely their ending, their conclusion, their end. It was like you're reading a different story. It was a whole different story. They couldn't even talk about that because it was proven in court that that's not what happened. So then they were grasping at straws trying to find something else. So that's when they went to like, you know, the blurry pictures or whatever.

But what I guess what I'm saying is the intro on November 2nd was not the same as the conclusion today. Yeah, you're exactly right. Thomas Binger today said, was he genuinely interested in helping people? This is what he said to the jury. He ran around with the AR. 15 all night and lied about being an EMT. Does that suggest to you that he genuinely is there to help? He's not there for the same purpose as a processor.

So why was he there that night? And when I say, and then he didn't say this, but this is what he said. He was not there to burn shit down. So why was he there? Oh, that's a good impression, Jed. No, it kind of was. He was so, like when he was talking to anyone, even the judge, the witnesses, the jury, he's so condescending the way he talks.

Does he talk like that all the time? Or is it just during the trial that he talks like this and brings these points? He's a moron. But, you know? But yeah. So he even said, you know, when he was talking specifically about the circumstances surrounding the shooting of Rosenbaum, you know, he had said, there is this alleged threat that Mr. Rosenbaum made earlier in the evening to kill the defendant. He said, I will debunk that.

That did not happen. It is the one fact in this case The defendant wants you to believe That there is no video of And in fact, I have the video of the entire incident I played it for you and I'll show it to you again There is no threat Where did he play it?

Yeah, I never saw anything So what he did say was He was like, you know what? We have video of every second of this night And I'm like, okay, you're full of shit Because even with all the video they have Which is a decent amount But it's not a lot

I mean, for example, you have basically two videos, I believe, of car source number three, which is where Rosenbaum was shot. You have maybe two videos or so of the second and third incident, which was Gage Ghost Quartz. You have Anthony Huber and Jump Kick Man, you know, and the whole situation. So there's really not a ton of videos. You have videos around everywhere, but what we have to understand is Kenosha was going to shit all over the place. They act like it was one little area, but it wasn't.

It was many areas. It was many areas throughout the town. There's no way, obviously, you have the incident or everything to happen all night. Because the reality is that they only have Joseph Rosenbaum, which was the first one killed, on a few videos two, three, four, maybe videos, five maybe.

Most of the same videos because there were someone around him quite often. Well, no, they showed videos, like defense showed videos of him like acting erratic. Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying, yeah. But you know, it's funny because the prosecution didn't really bring those videos up.

They didn't want to show what Rosenbaum was really doing. And did they have any videos of Kyle acting erratic or crazy towards people and cussing people and getting in their face and calling them the N-word when they're at a Black Lives Matter event, protesting event, whatever. And he's calling people N-words? Was he really there for Black Lives Matter?

Or was he there to start shit? Yeah, Thomas Binger also said, there's also no evidence that Mr. Rosenbaum ever wanted the defendant's gun. I mean, besides the fact that he actually grabbed it, because, you know, the medical examiner pretty much proved that. And we'll talk more about that, yeah. But, you know, he comes back. And then he, so then Thomas Binger, the prosecutor,

attorney wants to demonstrate how the weapon was supposedly pointed based on some crazy ass blurry picture which you cannot see anything from, in my opinion. I didn't see anything. I looked at thing a million times. I can't believe the judge didn't stop it or the... I know. I can't believe

with the... But I think... Are you talking about the gun? Yes, when he demonstrated the gun. Yeah, so when he's demonstrating the gun, which by the way, no there wasn't a clip in it, supposedly they check it. Supposedly. But you never What happened on Alec Baldwin's set? I don't know. So Thomas Binger had this gun and he was holding up demonstrating something and pointed at the damn jury.

Yeah, he was pointed at the jury. And, you know, these juror members are already afraid of getting killed anyway. And he had the finger on the trigger. Yeah. And I had, that's, seriously, that crossed my mind. I was just thinking about, didn't we just have an accidental shooting with a movie with a prop gun? I don't care if they, how many times they look at it. I mean, don't point it at anyone.

Anyone that knows anything about guns knows you never point a gun at someone. No, no matter if it's unarmed or not. Yeah, you never do that. Not unarmed, but not loaded or not. Yeah, you just don't do that. So, no, you absolutely do not. But they had no case. And they've had no case from the entire time.

To what Sherry was saying earlier, you know, they had this one theory. they like we said they used very heavily the fact in the beginning they were trying to say that he was being chased by by riddinghouse rosamom was Kyle was chasing rid of um yeah Rosenbaum oh my god you're scurring me up no Kyle they said that Kyle was chasing Rosenbaum yes and so they they went through so many different narratives of what happened and it seems like every time they would call a a witness their

own witness up to the stand, they had to like rethink what the hell they were going to do because their own witnesses screwed them. I don't know whether it was because they were just stupid or I don't know. I'm not exactly sure. Or maybe they were just on the stand telling the truth. Yeah, they were. But I don't even think that, look, for example, Gage Gerskortz said when the, defense attorney ask him, hey, and did you not, did Kyle not point the weapon? at you only when you charged at him turned around and pointed your weapon at him. Is that correct? And he said, yes, that's correct. But they already proved on a video. They showed him a video of him actually taking his weapon out of the back of his back and running towards Kyle.

So they had already proved that because he had said to them that he didn't even have a gun. It was gone. Yeah. So that kind of stumped that guy. So prosecutor Binger throughout the basically And so let me tell you guys How this works is the prosecution Which sucks because it's unfair

I think But the prosecution has a Their closing arguments And Thomas Binger did that Then the defense comes up And they have their closing arguments And then the prosecution gets to rebut that Which I think stupid

And it sucks But it's the way it is And the reason for that they say Is because they have the burden To prove him guilty The prosecutor's Yes But you know

But you know what? But it's the last. It's not even that. Go ahead. I'm just saying to me it's the last thing that the jurors here is what sticks in your mind. To me, that's why I don't think it's fair. Well, it doesn't really matter because, I mean, yes, the prosecution has the burden to prove him guilty. But it's like any more in America, I mean, wasn't the side of the left?

Wasn't the Democrats for two or three years talking about an unjust justice system? and how, you know, it's guilty until proven innocent. That was a big thing they were all saying. But the problem was is that they didn't, they only cared about black people, they said. Black Lives Matter, supposedly only cared about black people. Supposedly, the injustice in our system has only happened to black people, and that's obviously not true. This happens to everyone. There is a really bad problem in the justice system.

It starts not just in the court, but it's the prosecution. It's even some law enforcement. It is, especially our federal law enforcement. Investigators. issues and it's because of politics. Most of it is politics. When you're in a courtroom, you have a prosecution and a defense. Depending on the prosecution's political bias or leaning is how hard or easy he's going to go or even prosecute. We've seen this all across the country. We see it in Chicago. We've seen it in Seattle. We've seen it where all these rioters were burning shit.

With the exception of a few, yes, a few have been charged with arson and this and that. But 90% of them have not been charged. They have either been the ones that did go to jail got let go. People failed to prosecute in Chicago just two weeks ago. There was a literal gun battle with 70 plus rounds being shot in the street. But, you know, the DA didn't charge that because they said it was mutual combat, which by the way, mutual combat is supposed to be used in a fighting, fistfight situation, which the prosecution always also tried to bring up with this stupidest shit. But that's a great point, Chad, that you brought up. But, you know, it's, you know, this whole fight has been about against black people that they're guilty until proving innocent.

But when you look at the media and Facebook. And I'm not saying that's not true for black people. I know, but they're doing the same thing. Yeah, but they did it to Kyle. Like everyone was saying is guilty before he even went to trial. Like, he's clearly not black. Yeah. And the thing is, for me, and I know for you, I mean, I don't even got to ask.

this, but you know, if Kyle was black, it would be the same thing. I would still be on this side 100% because I don't care if you're black or white. I care about your intentions and what happened to you in this particular situation. It has nothing to do with black and white. And yes, are there officers that are racist? Are there prosecutors that are racist? Are there judges that are racist? Are there jury members that are racist? Yes. But are there juror members now black that hate white people or especially, you know, that think that this kid is a conservative, he's a gun owner, so you know what? We need to convict him. No, I don't give a shit. I don't care about the evidence. We got to prove

a point. Yeah, I don't care about the evidence. And so I'm going to get more into that later, remind me, because I want to talk about the outcome of what we think the outcome's going to be. And then we'll, and then we'll go on. So Thomas Binger today wrapped his closing arguments basically up in between all of his bullshit and he was telling the jury, which was just complete horseshit. He basically wrapped it up

and he said, this is a case in which a 17-year-old teenager killed two unarmed men and severely wounded the third person with the AR-15 that did not belong to him. When the defendant provokes the incident, he loses the right to self-defense. You cannot claim self-defense against a danger you create. If you're the one who's threatening others, you lose the right to self-defense. When the defendant provokes the situation, he has to exhaust all reasonable means to avoid killing someone, he said. And so, let's talk about this. He's basically saying that defendant provoked, and he provoked it. This was the whole purpose of...

And let's explain this. Yesterday, the prosecution wanted to bring in a video that was, and the reason why this was, you know, debated and all this, was because of testimony from a state crime lab video technician that, I don't even know how you call himself a video technician, but he brings this video in that he spent 20 hours on. And what it is basically is a drone video. And it's not the FBI drone video, which is very clear. thermal on it has everything. This is a just random dude's drone video which by the way I don't believe is a very good drone. It literally looks like one

you would maybe buy from like Amazon. No, not Best Buy because they got good ones. Oh, do they? Okay. But I'm saying like Amazon or Walmart or something. I don't know. You know you might be able to get them from there. But it just doesn't look good. It's nighttime. You can't see shit. And so there was a big argument on whether or not

he should even be able to, or the prosecution should even be able to submit this in the evidence or even show the jury. This was big turning point in the trial and they even got the TV over they got the judge over to look at this to see if it would even make any sense because what they were doing was is they brought this guy from

the state crime lab up and the defense and everybody asked him well what do you know about this program that you used to manipulate this video and when I say manipulate he did manipulate it because there were colors added there were pixels added because it was

zoomed in and even the judge which has said many times that he is not a tech savvy person says, for example, and the judge said this, this was yesterday, I believe. He said, well, how I save text messages is I take a screenshot of them, which I mean, which is crazy. But he said, I take a screenshot of me. And I send them to my email. And he said, and I know that when I send them to my email, because they're long. From his phone, it's clear.

Yeah, because they're long. Yeah. Because when you take a screenshot and you hit the down and down and down, it'll keep screenshot and all the way down. and it'll just keep going. So he sends this to his email, the judge does. And he says, and I know when I get some email and I try to zoom in. It's this little rectangle thin thing. Right.

Yeah, but it's pixels. And then when he zooms in, sorry, go ahead. No, but what I'm saying, that's what I'm saying. When he zooms in, it gets pixelated. And the reason for that is because as you take a screenshot and down and down and the bigger you make this and then you zoom in, it's the resolution changes. For example, I'm a camera person. we have a camera, it's a 40 megapixel camera, right? It's a huge megapixel camera.

Now, if you take that camera and you shoot a shot and at 40 megapixels, right, you can blow that picture up pretty big because it is a 40 megapixel camera. But a lot of drones and so on and so forth, usually use 24, and that's a huge difference. But you add darkness on top of that and everything else, and then you're zooming and you're cropping in on a thing. it adds pixels, it adds blur, it looks like a blurry mess. And that is what this video looked like. And so in the defense and everybody asked him,

well, how do you know, like what does this program that you use to do this change? Because the state crime lab has their own little program. It's not like Adobe Photoshop or something. It is like a specialized whatever. It uses an algorithm to do certain things. And so he had no idea about how the program worked. He don't know what it did and don't know how he did it. He don't know what it adds and what it doesn't.

He basically didn't know. shit about this program. But the judge still allowed this into evidence. Because what the prosecution wanted to show, which even though I couldn't see shit on this thing, what they wanted to show was

Kyle before he was being chased by Rosenbaum, the very first incident. What they wanted to show was he raised his gun and that was going to be their whole case now that he provoked the whole incident, therefore losing his right to self-defense. This wasn't their case at all at first,

but all of a sudden they didn't have a case and so they had to prove something so they were trying to use this blurry-ass screenshot and video. He was pointing his weapon. Yeah, and you can't see that whatsoever. Not at all. But it didn't matter because all they wanted

was to try to brainwash the jury and to believe in whatever they were saying was on this blurry-ass picture was really there even though the jury probably had no idea and couldn't see it either. But the rebuttal is, oh, this was not even the most important part of the evidence. We had all of these videos to show.

But when you watch the videos that they're talking about. They never show. It's the same shit. Yeah. You don't see him doing that. Yeah, they kept saying for two days. This is one of five.

This is like number five of, this is like number five most important piece. But we've got four other ones. They did this shit to the judge. Yeah, they did it to the judge. Yeah, they did it to the judge. And judge is like, well, then show me the damn one this good. Yeah, and he was talking about the steel shot.

And they never showed him the videos. Well, they did. No, they showed him to the video. Yes, they showed him to the video. Oh, yeah, because he watched it like 20 times. That's right. They watched it. But, you know, but the thing is, it was the same shit.

They just wanted to try to get whatever in they could. And they thought that they could take advantage of this judge's age, which I think they did. They did. He let a lot of stuff go that he should have. I know. And so, yeah. So they were able to get this bullshit in. And the whole reason they wanted it in, even though they knew themselves that you couldn't see anything on this video or picture.

You couldn't. And they even said, Mald's was not. I know this is a blurry image, but I think that it'll prove that you can see, even though you can't see, but you can see. Yeah, because they're telling you in your mind, it's like a mind game. You see that right now. Yeah, he lifted the gun right here, even though you're looking like, I can only see shit. But if he says it enough, it'll at least be in a jury's head to think, well, maybe he did lift a gun. I don't know.

Maybe there's reasons, you know, I don't know. And that's a reason why he played it like 10 times in a row and pointed it every time. He's like, oh, look, right here. Right here, right here. I'm like, where, where? Hopefully the jury doesn't fall for that because if they do, that's just sad. Yeah.

And so, you're right. So Thomas Binger then said he committed first-degree reckless homicide against Joseph Rosenbaum. He put Richie McGinnis' life in jeopardy. He put jump-kick man's life in jeopardy. He intended to kill Anthony Humor and attempted to kill Gage Grse courts. The question is whether or not you believe

that his actions were legally justified, and I submit to you that no reasonable person would have done what the defendant did and that makes your decision easy. Well, you know what? If no reasonable person would have done what Kyle Ridinghouse did, they would not be alive to probably talk about it.

Because we've seen it. We've seen it at other protests. People that choose not to fight back or just, you know, give up themselves. Even if they're helping people, we've seen this in other cases, they get their ass kicked to the point where the one dude, I don't know where it was, Milwaukee. It was somewhere.

The one guy just stopped. to help somebody and he got his head kicked in it was in ICU. I don't know if he died or what happened with him. But there's been multiple people's ass kicked and shot. I mean, this guy that was wearing a Trump hat got shot and killed and wherever it was, right in the face. Pulled out of cars, everything. You don't trust. It's not just a bar fight.

I'm sorry. We haven't even mentioned that yet. I know, but it's still. It's not. Yeah. What the prosecution kept trying to say was you don't bring a gun to a fist fight. They even put up a roadhouse image of a bar. of a bar fist fight.

And it's like, okay, well, the thing is, is that he has every right, just like all the other. There were rioters there that had guns. Gage Groskirts did. Ricky McGinnis did, I believe. And McGinnis is... No, I don't think he did. He was one that was just documenting. Oh, that's right.

Yeah, Zewinsky. Yeah, whatever his name is. He was the one that was following Rosenbaum the whole time. Yeah. But anyways, there were other people there with guns. Oh, yeah. They showed it on pictures. Yeah, on videos.

everything, yeah. But there were other people there with guns. Kyle had a legal right to have a gun there. And the thing is, is that he didn't bring, Kyle never brought a gun to a fistfight. Kyle already had the gun. You brought a fist fight. To a gun.

Yeah, to a gun. And you, and so what they want to say is this is an unarmed man that was, well, look, you have to understand. There was a witness that testified on the stand under oath that he did hear which by the way he barely knew Kyle just met him that night 20 minutes earlier that he did hear

Joseph Rosenbaum threatening his life Kyle Riddinghouse the same guy was threatened yeah and he was threatening everybody there were other witnesses talking about Rosenzbaum's actions his words everything he was acting like he was acting like a damn

crazy fool he had tried to get in many fights at night that's on video the defense showed that anyways this guy's obviously off his rocker And from what we have heard is that he was actually at a hospital for trying to kill himself. He had been off his medication for a while. Apparently this dude is probably schizophrenic or some crazy shit.

So the whole thing is that when you are being chased and you've already said heard this person threaten your life, you get ambushed because this guy's literally waiting for you around a car. and you are being chased into a crowd of people to where if, and look, it does change. When you have a firearm on you, legally, it changes. It changes because if you are being chased without a firearm, right, you have no choice but to fight. Or get the hell away. Are you going to be faster, or are you going to fight?

But that was a problem. He had nowhere to go. I know, but, you know, and even then, you know, could that guy have a knife? You don't know. Could he have, I mean, the guy was seen on multiple videos and everything carrying chains all night. You know, you don't know what weapons he has. And it sucks for you if you're unarmed because, you know, yeah, you can say, would that be less dangerous for you if you were unarmed and had to fight him one on one?

No, because you don't know what he has. Exactly. Just like Dage had his weapon concealed. He could have had a concealed weapon in his pants anywhere. Just because he didn't see a weapon doesn't mean he didn't have a weapon. Yeah. But also, if you didn't have a weapon, he couldn't take it from you, right? But then again, you also have your only defenses, you or if he has a weapon, you're screwed. Right. And so there's a whole reason why we have the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms. And Kyle did have the right to bear arms. And that, you know, Second Amendment is for the protection of your family against enemies foreign and domestic. And that includes against people that come across you, individuals, groups, or the government. And self-defense is anyone that you feel is going to cause you bodily harm or death. And he was going for his gun.

It's 100% clear that that was self-defense. I mean, how can you prove it's not? Yeah, so, well, but I think how they proved that he touched a gun was because the defense showed. And based on testimony, the medical examiner said, plain as day, that there was gun residue. On the... The suit. The suit from the bullet coming out. And it only...

The what? The suit or whatever it's called? No, it's residue. But it's gunshot residue. It's gunpowder. And it's because he touched the... He had the barrel in his hand when Kyle shot. Yeah.

And you can't get that. He got burned by it. That suit stuff or whatever. The soot or whatever. But you're talking about... Yeah. But it's basically just the... It's like...

the thickness of the gunpowder when it comes out. And it also probably creates a burn mark, depending on where it is. But it's the actual firing, you know, I guess granulars and all that stuff. It's not necessarily just a powder or the dust. Yeah, yes. But it's just what it creates. And you have to be either holding it or right there on it to have that on your hand. And he did.

He had it on his hand like he was holding like this. That was proved on the stand. They were trying to say, oh, no, he was four feet away. Yeah, and they tried to say he was holding it in between his hands. This is the thing. The prosecution just made up shit today. Yeah. They literally made up shit.

And that should be illegal. I mean, I think it's crazy. I mean, I think it's crazy. But, you know, you have all these people, you have the public, the witnesses and the defendant. They all have to take a go under oath. But lawyers don't have to. Yeah, they don't have to take oath. So they can lie all they want.

So they can lie their ass off. Like how is that just? I don't know. But he literally, they lied all that. day. That's all they did. Yeah. They wanted the jury to forget and completely just pretend like they didn't just attend the trial that you saw without a shadow of a doubt that he was proven innocent under the self-defense law.

So, but that's what their whole thing was. They said that he committed first-degree reckless homicide against Joe's and Rosenbaum. They said he did it with Anthony Huber. And he tried to kill Gage Gross Courts. So to sum it up, the prosecution lied. That's all they did. And they wanted to do anything they could to basically brainwash the jury. Right. And even like the point he talked about when Kyle was on the stand, he didn't have to take the stand, but he wanted his story told from his side.

and he knew he was going to be cross-examined. He knew that. Oh, yeah. For three hours, I believe. He took that chance because he wanted the jury to know. Well, Mr. Binger says, oh, he was crying. Prosecutor Binger. Yeah.

He was crying for himself. He had no regard for life. He didn't care about killing people. He just got up and walked away. I mean, this guy is so full of crap. It makes me want to go through the TV screen. I mean, I could not believe what he was saying. Oh, he just felt sorry for himself.

That is BS. So they tried to turn off, you know, he's, and they're like, it's not about emotion and feeling sorry for the defendant or whatever. But clearly, this defendant did not want to do this. This was his last resort. He had no other options but to shoot his firearm. Yeah. That was it. So, yeah, you're right.

So defense attorney Mark Richards basically accused Thomas, Binger, the assistant district attorney, being unprepared for the trial, and he completely dismissed their whole thing, and that he provoked the entire encounter in Kenosha.

Mark Richards said, which is the defense attorney, that provocation, another thing, think back to November 2nd when this case started. Did you hear one word out of Mr. Binger's mouth about provocation? You didn't, because it was never said, Richards told the jury, but when his case explodes in his face, now he comes out with provocation.

And he makes a good point here because, yes, he never mentioned this. Provocation means that if the jury were to find that Kyle Rittinghouse was the provocateur or was the one to to start the fight. To provoke the entire incident. And that's why they wanted this blurry-ass video and still image in, because if they could make the jury believe out of this blurry-ass-ass-video, out of this blurry-ass like finger painting looking shit. Like literally, they were just trying to put an image in the jury's head, even though they couldn't see it.

If the jury could just believe, maybe, maybe he's the one that lifted the gun right here. So he provoked the whole thing. Now he has no right to self-defense. That was what they went with after they knew that their case was screwed. Because they had no case. The entire case, they have done the shittiest job you could ever do. They have, it's obvious they over-prosecuted. or the fact they even prosecuted at all.

Overcharged. Yeah, overcharged. But they shouldn't even charge him with anything at all because obviously now the law. I mean, they literally charged him with a with a with a, the most severe. No, but they charge him with a charge that literally is legal in the state of Wisconsin. I mean, they charge him with something that's legal. You know what I mean? I mean, it's and that's the whole thing.

But Mark Richards did a great job. Well, I think at the time they did not. they didn't you know when they charged them it was like i said i think it was quick to the draw they had charged somebody to make everyone happy so there was no more riots they did that to kind of protect their city too but listen you you are a freaking prosecuting attorney in a in a city yeah and no but listen this this this we talk about holding police accountable and all this shit but you know you're a damn prosecutor not only the police holding the police accountable but you don't think that when you even just the charge of of being underage

and not allowed illegally possessing a firearm and all this shit and using it in the commission of all this. You don't think that like you could have looked up that law? I mean, yes. You should, first of all, you should know this law. I mean, you've been a prosecutor for how long? I think they've both been in this for a while. At least 30 years. Yeah.

But shouldn't it be some kind of law that you have to actually show the law before charging someone with a crime? I mean, that's especially as a prosecutor. And they didn't. They didn't care. Because I'll tell you why they didn't care, because they wanted it to look as long as possible like this kid illegally had the firearm. He was a vigilante. He wasn't even allowed to be there because he had a firearm and all this shit. And he crossed state lines.

That's the only thing they had. They were hoping maybe it would get under the rug. Yeah. And it did for the whole case. Yeah, it did. Until it was brought to light. And still, people that have not actually listened to the whole case or been there every day and like listen to the trial, there's a lot. There's a lot of people like he's guilty, guilty, guilty.

But these are people that have not actually watched the trial and seen the evidence. Of course, people are going to say they're guilty because they're listening to their media source, and their media source is putting out what they want them to know and want them to hear. But if you actually watch the trial day by day, the whole entire trial, not just parts, you will see that it was clearly self-defense, clearly. Yeah, so Mark Richards, the defense attorney for Kyle Reitinghouse, did, I believe, a great job today. And honestly, like you said something today when we watched it that, you know, I almost don't even think that the damn defense even needed to be, needed to even say anything. Because prosecution didn't prove anything.

And they were horrible. But, you know, Mark Richards said today, he said, Kyle Rittinghouse's behavior was protected under the law of state of Wisconsin, the law of self-defense. Richards told the jury Kyle Ridinghouse shot Mr. Rezbaum because he was attacking Kyle. Every person who was shot was attacking Kyle. One with a skateboard. One with his hands. One with his feet and one with a gun. Hands and feet can cause bodily harm.

Richards also took aim at the lead prosecutor saying that he made it his personal goal of putting my client's head on his wall. He said the district attorney's office is marching forward with this case because they need somebody to be responsible. They need somebody to put forward and say, we did it. He's the person who brought terror to Kenosha. Kyle Rittinghouse is not that individual, Richard said. There are no winners in this case, but putting Kyle Rittinghouse down for something he was privileged to do will serve no legitimate purpose. And Mr. Richard said also that this was political trial. He obviously knew it was political.

And there was pressure probably all the way from the top in the federal government he even mentioned. And specifically looking at Thomas Binger and the jury when he said this. And this is without a doubt true. It is. And you got to understand, man. you know, defense attorneys are usually defending people that are in trouble a lot. Yeah, but I felt like it was the opposite in this case. Did you? Yeah. Yeah. It's weird. It is strange. Like you've got, I mean, it is. It, they really should switch because they, especially in this, because it's like, well, now they shouldn't switch, God forbid.

Oh, Kyle gets that dude as his lawyer. But yeah, it did feel like, you know, the defense should have been, I don't know. Oh, no, but they are telling you that hands and feet can't cause. bodily harm or death. They said skateboards can't cause bodily harm or death. Santa Claus gives them to you. You know, if Santa Claus gives it to you, how can it be a harmful object that causes death? I was like appalled. Well, they wanted, the prosecution also wanted, besides using the blurry video and the blurry picture,

they wanted to downplay the situation and the deadliness and the risk to Kyle's life as much as possible. Exactly. They wanted to say, oh my God, he was unarmed. Oh, my God. They even compared Gage Groskorts, Glock that he had. He's like, look, look, he had a Glock. And, I mean, come on, a Glock. Versus an AR.

15. So does that mean if I'm holding AR 15 and you shoot me with a Glock because I'm holding it, that I'm not going to die? Is that what you're telling me? I'm really excited about that. And then the hollow bullets versus the hollow bullet. Hollow point and the full jacket or whatever. Full metal jacket.

I was like, okay, a bullet kills the bullet. I don't know anything about bullets, but I know if a bullet hits you, you know, it could kill you. Yes, that was an argument that the prosecution had today is they were talking about the fact that Kyle used full metal jacket. And this was very deadly. He intended to kill and all this stuff. Well, look, here's the thing. If you take a firearm, I don't give a shit if you had Hollow Point or Hydroshock rounds. And for those of you gun people know, hydroshock rounds are expanding and they, they, they, they,

do a shit ton of damage. And then there are even bullets out there to do armor piercing rounds and all this shit. You know, you really get in some of those. And you can get those for pretty much all the ARs. But the thing about it is, is that at such close range, it doesn't make a shit what kind of bullet you have.

It doesn't matter. Because you're still going to kill someone. I mean, that's just the way it is. Maybe. Well, not necessarily. No, but I'm saying, in the same shots that Kyle shot, it don't matter what he had in that in that gun. Even if it was just standard 2-23. No full metal jacket.

No, well, I'm just going to say this. No hollow point. Why wasn't done? Oh, sorry. Hold on. I'm making my point. Okay. It doesn't matter what kind of bullet he had in the AR-15, unless it was a blank. The shots that he made at those ranges that he made him would have still killed him no matter what the bullet was. So the whole argument that he had this full metal jacket like he was some terrorist now, it's just bullshit.

Because even if he would have had a Glock and the same situation would occur, then he would have still killed them. You just took what I was going to say. I was going to say that I think in this circumstance, I feel like if Kyle had a Glock versus the AR-15, I mean, you think about how long that barrel was. That's hard to even get, you know, and he was pretty much a marksman.

He did not shoot anyone that had their hands up or was not threatening him. But I'm just thinking about that long barrel. That's hard to shoot. And of course, it was point blank. But if he had a Glock, He could have done way more damage, in my opinion, with that close range. Well, yes.

So they've tried to vilify the AR-15 this entire trial. And so, you know, we have an AR-15. And we have a Glock. Or an M-4, but similar, basically the same. Well, you have a Glock. Yeah, and you have a Smith-in-Wethon, yeah, or X-DM-N-N. Yeah. I mean, you know, we've got guns, right?

And, you know, the thing is, is like, for example, if someone, was to break in the house and say I have a shotgun and I have the AR-15, right? Someone wants to break in a house in a close-quarters battle. You want a shorter game. Say screw the shotgun. Say the Glock and say the AR-15. Right. What am I?

Yes, you want to go and pull the AR-15 because it's powerful and, you know, I shoot 5-5-6 rounds, which are even more powerful than the 2-2-3 full metal jacket. Mm-hmm. But if you want close-cold. quarters battle and shit, you want a Glock or you want a handgun or something like that. Or a shotgun. It is not, it don't have to be short, but, you know, the AR, you've got to be accurate because shotgun you don't have to be as accurate. The handgun, you got to be accurate as well, but it's more maneuverable around corners and all that stuff. But the thing is a shotgun, you don't

even have to be that accurate because a shotgun you can spray, you know, it has a spread. But the thing is, is that their whole argument to vilify the AR-15 and the fact they even had it and all this shit. That was so much worse than a Glock. Like how is it worse? It's a gun. I mean, it's more powerful. And in those situations, I don't think it was worse, personally. No.

Because they wouldn't have even, they wouldn't have even had an opportunity to try to grab the gun. You know what I mean? Right. If he had a lot better situations, even if you get tackled or you're in a fight, you have a better situation. You have a better chance of shooting in that situation. Yeah. So what I'm saying, he was at a disadvantage, I think, with the AR-15 versus a Glock is what I'm saying. I think he was at a disadvantage.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, in close quarter stuff, you are because, I mean, you know, you could get the barrel hit or whatever. And so I don't know. It's just one of those things that they, like I said, they tried to vilify the AR-15. That's what they did. The prosecution kept talking about him as an active shooter today. Yeah, active shooter. They wanted to put that in a jury's head. They wanted a jury to think about, you know, school shootings and, you know, the Las Vegas shootings.

and they wanted the jury to think about the movie theater shootings. They wanted a jury to connect all these things and put Kyle Ridenhouse's name with these people. They use these tactics and they keep saying it and they keep saying it. The defense clearly stated today in rebuttal to this is that if my client was an active shooter, and by the way, Kyle Rittinghouse did have body armor there that he was issued from whatever little police type, not police, but like police cadet academy thing. but he said he said look if my client was an active shooter he would not have gave up his body armor and gave it to the other guy his friend you know he was walking around without body armor the whole time

95% of the videos you see Kyle riddinghouse in he's walking around saying friendly friendly friendly trying to help anybody anybody need medical anybody need medical um they also called in the question that he lied about being a EMT and okay So he's not actually registered as the EMT. But, you know, he is a lifeguard. He's done some. He's in the EMT cadet, whatever program that is, you know, the whole nine. But going through even lifeguard training means that you're going through all the first aid.

You're learning how to put on tourniquets. You learn all that stuff just to be a lifeguard just so you guys know. It's not just saving people in a pool or the ocean. You have to learn everything about even CPR or like there's a lot. lot that goes into being a lifeguard. So don't let that fool you. Yeah. Yeah. And it's funny because, you know, according to the prosecution, the entire trial, being a lifeguard alone sucks. And that ain't, that don't mean shit. But you know what? The funny thing is, is that today the prosecution turned around and said, but you know what? He didn't have to kill Joseph Rosenbaum. Joseph Rosenbaum was

six inches shorter than he was. And Kyle, he's a lifeguard. He does all these things. He does all these great things, right? You know, he could have easily taken Rosenbaum. I'm like, are you going to make your damn mind up? You're talking about when he was, it should have been a fist fight instead or whatever. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah. When he said he should have just fought him.

Oh, okay. Yeah, this is a 30-year-old convicted felon against a 17-year-old. Yeah, convicted felon against a 17-year-old kid. And they're not much difference in size. And by the way, Joseph Rosenbaum, looking at his videos, he was pretty stocky. Yeah, he was very stocky. I mean, he wasn't like some skinny little dude. No.

And he was obviously crazy. I mean, that's the thing. Okay, let's go and fight against a crazy dude that doesn't give a F and see what happens. Yeah, he had numerous times that night. There was a conference or an incident at one of the gas stations in which Joseph Roosevelt was there against five or six other guys that had AR-15s. And he was going right in their face, going right in the barrel of the gun, just basically threaten to shoot me, shoot me, shoot me.

Shoot me inward, yeah. And so he was there and he was on a mission. He was on a mission to either kill or be killed. Because according to reports, he was already in the hospital for trying to kill himself earlier. And you know what? He was so determined that his girlfriend that came and testified or whoever she was, he came to the house, walked four miles, then left without her, walked four miles to Kenosha. He was on a mission.

That's all it was. So he was at the hospital where all this stuff happened, walked to the motel where they lived, which was at least four miles away. They had a nice conversation, she said, and he said he was going to go back down there. She's like, don't go back there. There's too much stuff for you to get into. Like she told him not to go.

And he said, I'm going. And then she asked him about the hospital bag. He said, I'm taking the bag because I just want to take it. Yeah. Well, he wanted to take it, in my opinion, not because he wanted to carry around his medical papers or a water bottle. he was using that as some kind of weapon or something to put weapons in.

Yeah, you're right. We don't know what was in the bag. We don't. But some of the pictures look like it's not just... Oh, yeah, no, without a doubt. And that's one of the things the defense attorneys did great. They showed every shot that had Rosenbaum in it. They showed his demeanor that night.

They showed what he was saying, his threats. But they also showed... I think the defense did a great job today in showing the demeanor of the crowd. They wanted to remind people. These people were not there. to peacefully protested. Yes, there were people peacefully protested at the courthouse earlier that day. Right.

But that night, people were there to break shit, to tear stuff down. Police officers even testified throughout the week that it was hell. It was like a war zone. And, you know, it was, nothing was nice. Nothing nice was going on that night. Well, heck, they're trying to burn the vehicles in where the police officers were. Yeah, they were trying to burn vehicles. There were many times.

That's what started actually, I believe, the first confrontation between the AR-15 guys and, the rioters was the fact that they were lighting this dumpster on fire and they were going to hurl it into the police cars that was just right down just just right there at the end of the street not even that far i mean literally like probably maybe a football filled away and so you know that's when rosamombe really started rosamombe got chains he had man he had everything but the the question is why the weird thing to me is he's carrying this bag around the whole time now there was a big thing about he had empty water bottles. There were people that even said that he smelled like carousine or ammonia or something.

Yeah, ammonia, yeah. Because he was probably making Molotov cocktails or he was using the bottles for fuel. But also, there was a great shot of the bags sitting on the road. It was basically in front of a fire that was in the background. And it was a clear bag, semi-clear. But the defense made a good point. And there's not just a water bottle on this bag. You can see.

It was something bigger, two or three things. And it wasn't close. No, it wasn't closed. Or it wasn't toiletry items. It was something sticking right up. But, you know, the... And I don't think it was discharge papers either. No, I don't believe that.

Because he went home. Why would he, why would he bring discharge papers from the hospital to... Why do you bring a hospital bag to a riot... Period. ...slash protest. Well, he wanted to carry... I guess he needed something to carry his shit in... His stuff and whatever it was.

His weapons. Yeah. Because he clearly went home. He could have dropped that bag off and went, you know, back back. But he chose... And she even said, do you want to put the bag? bag inside in the motel. He's like, no, I'm going to take it with me.

Yeah, so then the defense goes on and talks about the other instance. I think we've talked a lot about Rosenbaum at Gage Gerst's courts, Anthony Huber, you know, as Kyle was running away from the scene and he was running down the road, trying to make his way to the police line in Kenosha. He had ran for quite a little ways, two to three blocks at this point.

Didn't point his weapon in anybody, but he ran two to three blocks. With people chasing him. Yeah, people were still chasing him. them. You know, the prosecution is trying to make this big deal that someone, I believe it was gross courts, I believe. Video day. Ask him, hey, did you shoot someone? And he said, no. Well, you know what? If I would have shot someone and all these people around, I would have said no, too. I mean, you know, and so the prosecution is trying to make a huge deal out of this. Yeah, but I don't even think

the video is clear anyway. Some, like, when you really listen to it, it almost sounds like I shot someone or no, I didn't shoot someone. Yeah, I couldn't even hear what he said. Yeah, it was not very clear, but regardless, like Chad said, if you just shot somebody and you have all this mob of people chasing you, I'd lie too. I'd be like, no, I didn't shoot anybody, I'm going to the police. Yeah, it's not your obligation to tell them anything.

I mean, because look, if you say you shot someone, then you're just going to be attacked anyway right then there. He's not a dumbass, and he got himself out of situation, but the thing is, the prosecution used things like this to try to call into question his motive or whatever it is.

So then it comes down to as he's running down the road, he gets, there's someone that comes from behind him, I believe it was maybe, I don't remember who they said at this point.

It was the guy that threw the rock first. Well, he, when I even throw it at him, he tried to hit him with the rock in his hand. And he did. And his hat. He hit him in the head

and his hat came off. Yeah. Yes. And so as they were trying to hit him in the back of the head, Kyle Riddinghouse finally falls to the ground.

Obviously, Kyle didn't want to fall to the ground. He didn't mean to fall the ground. He didn't want to get jumped. He didn't want to have to shoot anybody else. That was pretty obvious. He was trying to make his way. And by the way, he was probably damn tired. I mean, all that shitty, their adrenaline, everything else. You're trying to get to the police line, which was, by the way, this is something I wish the defense would have made

a point on. It's like the police line where all the police officers were from where he fell down was not far at all. It was literally maybe a football field. They probably could see it. They probably could see what was going on. But nobody made that point. And I, and I wish they would have, because he was right there. And at the very end, when he felled the ground, he had no choice but to shoot. Or his life was gone. Yeah, or they would have jumped him. And it's like the prosecution wants the jury to believe that Kyle should have trusted these people. He should have trusted these people that they were just going to take his gun from him and, you know, go place it on the side and

and put his hands up. And yeah, just, hey, make sure you put your hands up. We're going to take you the police. I mean, are you fucking kidding me? Sorry, the F word. I hope the jury sees through that. If they don't, oh my God, what kind of jury? is that. Yeah, I mean, but that's what the prosecution wants the jury to think. It's like, look, he should have just, he should have just trusted these people to take care of him. Oh, he should have stopped with Rosenbaum, but he actually did stop. And then when all these people were running, I mean, he did kind of go around the car and he wanted to stop and be there. I saw it on the video. But then when all these other people are coming, and then the wife is like,

he shot him. He starts running because all these people are going to come in. Get him. Yeah, get him. cranium that motherfucker. Yeah. Yeah, you know, it was stuff like that. He had to go. He had to run. And so look, you, the thing is, in a situation like that, in a riotous,

riotous situation, you know, they tried to act like today, that when, you know, the defense got done with their case, which, by the way, was great, they showed all the videos. They basically proved yet again. He acted in self-defense. And I love the fact that they went through each witness. Yeah, they did. But yeah, they kept proving that all day they proved he acted in self-defense again.

And so then, as we said, the state gets a rebuttal even past the defense. And so when the state gets a rebuttal, this dumbass, whatever his name is, Jim Krause comes up. And so one of the things he kept saying was a skateboard is not a weapon. You might as well just go tell Santa not to bring skateboards to your kids anymore because they are now considered deadly weapons. A skateboard is not a deadly weapon. Our kids get them all the time. And I'm just sitting here like, okay, well, you know what? Hey, why don't you tell the jury?

And this is what I would have said as a defense attorney. I would have probably caught, because he's already said this shit before. And I would have told a defense attorney or the jury as a defense attorney today. I would have said, hey, by the way, jury, I know this moron is going to get up here and try to say yet again that a skateboard is not. a deadly weapon. Apparently, not even a glocks a deadly weapon. That's literally what this dumbass tried to say. But try to go and hit a police

officer and attack them with a skateboard and see how fast it is before your ass gets shot. Because guess what? The police officer is going to get cleared the next day by whatever state agency it is that is investigating this police shooting. And the reason they're going to get cleared is because anything

that can be used to injure or kill or maim someone, which is a skateboard. By the way, the trucks on a skateboarder steel, they're metal, they're heavy as shit. And if you hit someone in the head with that, that could kill them instantly. Oh, yeah, absolutely. It is a deadly weapon. So it doesn't matter if Santa Claus brings it to you or not. It still can be a deadly weapon. By the way, fist and kicking is, can and will be considered a deadly weapon in

the past. It has been considered a deadly weapon in any circumstance, especially if you are in a defensive position. If you are being attacked. On the ground. On the ground. And there are not just one person. And, and that That's the thing the jury has to understand. It's not one person, right? It's not one person coming at you. There's no one else on the street, and this one dude is charging you, right? Even in that situation, you still technically have a right to shoot and kill him if you feel like you are going to get your gun taken from you and he's going to use on you.

Yeah. But the thing is, it wasn't that. It was two to three people in simultaneous order attacking him. And yet you're trying to tell this dude, you know, what, I'm not going to shoot him. I'm just going to see what happens. Yeah, I'm going to give them my gun and put my hands up. So the defense did a great job on once again, proven his right to self-defense.

The prosecution's rebuttal was just boring, and they were just saying a bunch of stupid shit again. They were trying to say things like red herring, and they were trying to say that the defense was lying about stuff. And I mean, I don't, if the jury doesn't see past both of their, both the closing argument and a rebuttal to the defense, I don't know what the hell kind of jury it is. But here's the thing. So that all ended. The jury will now go into deliberations, which will start tomorrow at 9 a.m. So it'll be Tuesday, November the 16th. The jury will go in and they will deliberate.

Now, this is my question with the jury. They have 18 right now and they're going to go to 12. When do they get rid of? That's in the morning. So do they do that before they start deliberating? Yes, they're going to, or they might have done it tonight, but the judge said that we're going to put all the numbers, the jury numbers, in a tumbler, and we're going to take out six, and you guys are gone. But they have to stay. They have to remain there in case they're needed.

Okay, got you. But the judge said that you will pay no heed to the opinions of anyone, even the president of the United States or the president before him. He told that to the jurors today. He said the founders of our country gave you and you will. alone the power and the duty to decide this case based solely on evidence presented in this court. All right. So here's what I will say. If this case is decided tomorrow morning by only the evidence that was submitted and presented in this case, Kyle Reddinghouse will be a free man. Probably no later than like noon tomorrow. But unfortunately, I don't.

Don't even say that. Well, but listen, you basically are saying, because, like, I don't give a shit. Like, the judge can say whatever he wants to. The law say whatever they want to. No one apparently gives a shit about the law and the justice anymore. That's pretty obvious. But all it takes is one person in that thing that is just, nope, sorry, no. You know, I'm on this woke shit and I'm on this, like, he's a white supremacist and all this.

No matter what they saw, which is proved beyond reasonable doubt that he, you know, acted in self-defense. There could be one of those people or two or three. That's all it takes. It takes an opinion. It takes a... Or... What they believe of as being a social justice warrior. Yeah.

Or fear. Yes. Or fear. Meaning that they already have 500 national guards there on standby. And these jurors are making this decision. And if the decision doesn't go the way that these writers want it to go, look out jury. You know, that is tremendous, like, pressure. sure and fear right there.

Yeah. And, I mean, unfortunately, it's, it's just gotten to a point where our, our justice system can't be trusted. And we've known this for a long time. But it's not just our justice system or our government. Now, the only thing we can hope for is, yes, this jury has a decision. But, man, how, I mean, look how divided this country is, the United States of America. I just the, and look, I wish, I wish that you could get.

I really wish you could get 12 people in a room to all agree on one thing. Factual or not. Because, like, facts don't even exist in this country anymore. Like, the facts are not facts. Because the media, which I wish the jurors would have been sequestered. Yeah, me too. To where they couldn't go home. They couldn't watch the media.

They couldn't do shit. They were here, and they couldn't talk to each other. They couldn't see outside influences. You were just seeing what you were seeing in this case. because they're going to go home and I guarantee I don't give a shit what people try to make themselves

believe about this these jurors go home they watch the news they watch all the shit there's no way not to you can't turn your TV on without doing it and would I do it

if I was a juror? Probably yeah I think most people would they just want to see the outside opinion and all this shit and that's going to skew their mind and depending on what political

leaning they are if they watch MSNBC or Fox News or whatever that's how they're going to think. Unfortunately, I mean, that sucks. But maybe we have some hope in this country that 12 people can be in a room and they can literally look at this obvious evidence of self-defense and they can come to a genuine conclusion that this guy is innocent because that is absolutely 100% what should happen.

Oh, yeah. But I'm thinking, like, on the Facebook thing, what you're saying, like how you can put 12 people in a room and they don't agree. It's just like, do you remember like on the Facebook thing when they had the, I think, is it gray dress or the pink dress? Is it gray or pink? But that's because of visual eye thing, though. Yeah.

But I'm just saying it's kind of. That's not a political thing. No, I'm not saying that, but I'm just saying, I guess, what I'm seeing is it depends on the way you see it. I guess, but I don't even know. I don't think so. No? No, it's not the way you see it. I mean, how, it's the evidence.

I mean, this is evidence. But I think the way you see as far as the way your mind is already conformed to thinking. is what I'm saying, I guess. But listen, I'll be honest with you. There's some reason why my mind says it's blue and yours says it's gray. I don't know. But that's different because you're looking at factual evidence

presented in a case. And you're also looking at the lack of evidence not presented in a case. But are they going to see it that way? Well, they should. I mean, it's obvious. It's the most obvious thing you can freaking see. I'm talking about facts, Sherry.

Yeah, I know. This is not an opinion. This is not like, this case is really not an opinion. It's a let's watch the video and see what happens. Okay, this guy's chasing him. Okay, this guy's chasing him. He turns around. He stops and he turns around again.

This guy has a gun. I mean, let's just think of the logical thing. You're in a situation. You've seen videos of Kyle Ridinghouse trying to help people all night. This guy's chasing you into a crowd where there's already a gunshot that just went off. You've got people that hate you. They're screaming at you. You know they hate you.

And now you're in a position when you have to kill him or you've got to fight him. And you got to risk your gun being taken. This crazy motherfucker, which everybody knows in this entire town is the most crazy dude in this town. He, everybody, the, the journalist, the people video and everybody knew Rosenbaum is psycho. Yeah, they say wherever there was trouble. That's where he was there. And he was the main instigator.

And so don't think Kyle didn't know who this dude was. I mean, and for the looks of it, yeah, he got ambushed. And so Kyle had a choice. I either fight it out and risk my firearm being taken or being jumped. Because by the way, it's not just, it's not just him. It's not just you risking only him fighting you. Most of the time in those situations, people jump you. There's six to seven people that fight you.

It's not a one-on-one to fight. Exactly. And that's the other thing I wanted the defense to say. It's not just about this guy, even though this guy alone is grounds enough for self-defense. But he was the catalyst. And if he would have continued. If he would have got him down, then more than likely there would have been other people jump in. Right.

And then he had no chance. You can't risk that. at all, especially if you have a weapon, and knowing, yeah, and knowing how psycho he was that night, I think Kyle generally was worried about if this dude gets my gun, he's going to take this gun and he's going to kill

innocent people. Yeah. I mean, I think he really generally was worried about that. And look, you know, these dudes, Anthony Huber, Gage's Groskorts, the jump kick man, the guy kicked him in the face, all these people. I want to know who he is, by the way.

Well, nobody knows. Yeah. But all these people, you know, the prosecution tried to make like look like angels and heroes that were trying to save a town from disaster. Yeah, and they were saving the guy that got shot. Yeah. They're saving him. Look, if you know someone just got shot, they were there trying to kill him. And, you know, they kept making a gauge gross course.

They said, Gage Grish Corp could have shot you from far away, you know, or whatever. But he didn't. No, he didn't. And number two, with a handgun, you know, not everybody is a marksman. and shoots from 40 yards away. I mean, you know, reality. This guy was running up. He didn't know if he was going to shoot him or not,

but he wanted the opportunity to shoot him. That's what it was. Absolutely. He wanted to go towards him, and he thought that he could get a shot off. He's lucky. He's fucking alive. He is lucky.

And his friend proved his point exactly on his Facebook. He said if he could unload his clip in that kid, he would have. Yeah, Gage Gerskorts said to his friend that testified, or actually it was on his Facebook. Right? Yeah, the defense used them as a witness because it was his Facebook. Yeah, and his, yeah. So he said that Gage Gorskort said, the only regret I have is not unloading my whole clip in that motherfucker.

No, in that kid. Oh, in that kid. Okay. So, I don't know, man. That's, you know, that's where we're at. You know, now, the last thing I'll say is that this is a trial for our own self-defense rights. Because if Kyle Reading House gets convicted, which is what. But exactly the government, and by the way, I've never seen something more obvious and in the public as the conspiracy almost or the corruption and the pressure of the federal deep state government in my opinion and this crazy whack left woke shit.

And I call them deep state because they have an alternate agenda to this country and they're doing it now. They're ruining this country. But it's almost obvious. And it's almost like the prosecution doesn't even care that they know. I mean, the defense even said today, you know, the police saw, the detectives refused to do search warrants because the prosecution said not to. And it's the only time they've ever done it. Yeah, even though a judge signed for that warrant, they didn't go after it. And by the way, Kyle Rittinghouse's phone was given over and that search warrant was executed.

And they found nothing because they didn't even bring up anything in Kyle's phone in the case. Trust me, they would have. But they would have found something. But the reason why Gage Gorscourt's phone, they tried to get his phone, but they wouldn't get it. Because the reason they wouldn't get it is because of what he's involved in. Right. And his shit. I mean, he already knows.

He's a speaker at whatever thing he's at. Basically Antifa. I mean, from what it sounds like, he says he's not a member, but whatever. We won't know, but you know what, he withheld his phone. By the way. He's affiliated. Police never found the skateboard. Didn't serve those warrants either.

Nope. They tried to bullshit and say, well, we didn't really have a real real. reason or know exactly where it was and all this shit. They never found a gauge of course court's weapon. They didn't do anything with that either because it's all bullshit. Wait, I thought the dude unloaded it, the military guy. No.

No, they never found his weapon. Oh, they never found it, but I know he disarmed it. No, he had one round, I believe, on the ground. Yeah. And it was a discharge. No, but the guy disarmed it. The military guy. I don't know what military guy you're talking about. But they never found the guy's gun. That's my point.

Gage Gards, of course, they didn't. From my knowledge, they didn't have an evidence. They didn't do anything with that. I'm pretty sure. You guys can look it up. I'm pretty sure they never found his weapon because there was a big thing on the stand when they were talking to him and discussing it. Well, they were actually discussing it with the, I believe, they were discussing it with the detective. They said, well, you never found the gun.

You don't know where it is. And no one ever, you know, no, we didn't have a real reason. But going back to that night, when that happened, the military guy that actually went up there in hell. him the first thing he did was pick up the gun and he dis like armed it I guess and he he but you're talking about the AR 15 no no I'm talking about Gage's weapon he disarm yeah he is talking about in the trial yeah he was in he was a witness yeah he was in a he was a witness Chad don't go there I promise you this is true I'm not I'm not saying I'm not saying it's not okay well I'm saying he was a witness he disarmed Gage's pistol or whatever it was Glock

He put it down, and then somebody was trying to put the tourniquet on his arm and they were doing it wrong. So he put it on him and did it the right way. But listen. This is the same guy that everybody was blaming him for being the shooter. I thought you're trying to say, but what I'm telling you is they didn't have his gun in the courtroom. No. That's what you're trying to argue with me about right now. No, I'm just saying, no.

Well, I misunderstood you. Sorry. I'm just saying he did have this. Yeah, I know he had a pistol. I'm not saying he didn't. I'm saying the police never got it. I don't know how. Because they didn't want to get it. They didn't want to get his gun because he already lied to police. He already was carrying a...

He's a convicted felon carrying a weapon. He didn't have a concealed carry permit. He never got charged on anything because of the fact the prosecution was going to use him and they promised him shit. That's also why they didn't have a gun in evidence. They didn't have a skateboard in evidence. They didn't have anything in evidence besides anything on Kyle. And by the way, just so happens they didn't test a gun barrel for any fingerprints or DNA

because they know for a fact that that was also... So probably had DNA on it. And if they tested it, then that would really screw them in court. Yeah, you're right. You're right. So, but yeah, what I was saying is that... I misunderstood. Sorry. Yeah, I think you didn't.

Yeah, sorry about that. But I was just making it clear. So anyways, but my whole point to the whole thing was, is that they did everything they could to protect their witnesses and the people that were going after Kyle. And protecting the government that wants him to be. guilty, especially even Joe Biden. He tweeted himself that he was a... The night after, white supremacist.

White supremacist. Like, what president does that? I mean, do you not think when a president in the United States tweets that the night after it happens that it's not going to affect a trial? But yet, if you look at all the video evidence and you look everything about this case, and you obviously see from even all the evidence, I mean, people made their own minds up, you know? I mean, there are some people out there that actually looked at the videos. and draw the conclusion that, hey, he acted in self-defense. And then there's also a shit ton of people out there.

And I'm not saying a shit ton because, look, I'm telling you, these people that believe this mainstream media woke bullshit is dwindling. There are less and less people buying this bullshit from not only this government and this media. There's less and less people. Because the thing is, you look at Russiagate and all this bullshit with Trump and all these lies, and it's lies and lies and lies that are being proven. and now you look at how the FBI is being used against journalism and freedom of speech. It's crazy.

And I think normal people living in reality are starting to see this. And so there were a lot of people that already saw the videos and they said, look, this dude was acting in self-defense. But if you came out and said that you supported Kyle or you obviously knew it was self-defense, you were a white supremacist, you were a Kyle sympathizer, as they call it. And they always use the word sympathizer to people that sympathize with mass murderers or stuff like that. That's what they wanted to use the word Kyle Rittinghouse sympathizer. And so there's a lot of people still out there drinking a damn Kool-Aid. But the reality is, guys, is that Kyle Rittinghouse should be acquitted of all charges.

And the one thing to make this clear is that if the jury, and this is what they were instructed on, if they do find that in the charge of first-degree murder that he has, the right to self-defense on any of the cases. Yeah, if he is privileged. Then none of the lesser charges matter. Exactly. But the scary thing is, is that if the jury is out to protect their own ass because they're afraid of death threats and people taking pictures of them outside the courtroom and all that.

And they probably believe it's self-defense, but they don't want to give him nothing. They may just because go down to something else to screw them. Like a lesser charge. Yeah. just to get the heat off of them. But in Wisconsin, even the lesser charges of like the manslaughter and stuff like carries almost life sentences. I know. It's a strong sentence.

But even in the lesser whatever's, you have to have those three things. And the last one is if they can't prove that he didn't have, if he wasn't using self-defense, that was one of the three things. They have to prove that it was not self-defense in the lesser charges. Well, look, I hope and pray that. that he is acquitted, but my prediction to this is that it's going to be a hung jury. I think he's going to be acquitted. I think it'll be a hung jury. I just don't think that you're going to get 12 people in any circumstances nowadays, almost, 12 strangers to agree on one thing.

Well, that was my point about the black and blue or black and pink, that no one can agree on anything. Yeah, I get it, but I think that's like a visual thing. Yeah, I get it, but I guess that was a bad example. No, sorry. one last thing I'll say is that this is our self-defense rights on trial, ours, in the United States, American citizens. And the reason I say that is because court law is often decided by court law, meaning if this case is convicted as not self-defense, then other future cases in the United States can go back and refer and reference to this case. They do this in cases all the time. Wade versus Roe for the abortion thing.

Yeah, they do it in this case. They've done it in all these cases. And then, you know, so this goes to the self-defense claim of all Americans. And if you're saying that if you're being attacked and you have a weapon, you are supposed to just fight this person and hope that he doesn't get your weapon or hope that they don't kill you, especially in a riot situation, this just, this has huge implications on the whole law of self-defense. your right of self-defense and not just self-defense.

It has, if he gets convicted of this, they're going to use this for anti-gun as well. And if he gets set free, you're going to hear a bunch of bullshit noise from the media, from the left media, you're going to hear it from the governor, not the governors, but the government, the officials, everybody. You're going to hear it from damn everybody. And it's going to be a bad. It's going to be a bad situation. But the thing is, if people riot in the Kenosha, obviously, I haven't watched one day of the trial.

Exactly. I mean, and it's funny. It's funny, these people are going for prosecutors, which usually they hate. They usually hate these. And like the media is making this racist, but literally everyone involved in this entire situation is white. Yeah. Except for jump kick man, I think. But he didn't get killed.

Yeah. But literally everybody else is white. Yeah. And they're saying this is racism. White supremacy. It just makes zero damn sense. It literally makes no sense. But, you know, that's all.

that's all we got on this. Tomorrow is the jury. I don't know. We'll see if they have a verdict tomorrow. They may not. I don't know. I predict they'll have a verdict by noon. I hope so.

Because I think that they're going to find the evidence and they're going to see it. And, you know, videos don't lie. So we'll see. Well, I hope they have a verdict tomorrow, but, you know, I don't know. It's, I don't know. We're going to have to see what happens. And hopefully tomorrow, Kyle Riddenhouse is a free man. And either way, we'll definitely do a podcast on whatever happens.

If we know. If we know tomorrow, we'll do a podcast. If not, we may do it on something else. We'll just have to see and go from there. Sounds good. But guys, that has been another investigator to the podcast. Thank you for listening. Guys, share this with everyone you know.

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