Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - L Ron Hubbard Aleister Crowley & Scientology

Episode Date: February 24, 2025

In this second installment of our Aleister Crowley series, we explore the intriguing connection between L. Ron Hubbard and Aleister Crowley. This episode examines controversial claims linking these two figures to the origins of Scientology, diving into their shared interests in mysticism and occult thought. Join us for a thoughtful discussion as we unpack historical context, compare their philosophies, and consider how their legacies continue to influence modern spiritual movements. Stay tuned for more episodes in this series that further illuminate these enigmatic connections.

Welcome back to Investigator of Podcast, where we dive deep into the shadows, uncover the mysteries, and expose the hidden truths lurking beneath the surface of our world. Last time, we cracked open the life and legacy of Alster Crowley, the so-called wickedest man in the world. We explored his influence on the occult, his ties to secret societies, and the bizarre, sometimes terrifying impact of his teachings on modern culture. But what if I told you that Crowley's legacy didn't just fade into history? What if I told you his influence found this way into something much bigger? something that's still alive today.

Tonight, we shift our focus to a man who took some of those esoteric beliefs, mix them with science fiction, and build a global empire around them, a man who went from Pulp Fiction writer to self-proclaimed profit, a man who, depending on who you ask, was either a genius, a con artist, or something far more sinister. That man is El Ron Hubbard, and his creation, Scientology. On the surface, Scientology claims to be a religion of self-improvement and spiritual enlightenment. But beneath that glossy Hollywood exterior, there are whispers of something

much darker, mind control, financial exploitation, psychological abuse, and even government infiltration. So how did a struggling writer transform into the leader of one of the most secretive and controversial organizations in modern history? Was Hubbard truly a visionary, or was he playing a long con? And perhaps the biggest question of all, was he just a master manipulator? Or did he tap into something truly otherworldly. We're going deep tonight into the life of Elron Hubbard, the origins of Scientology and the shadowy connections that link it to the occult, intelligence agencies,

and high-profile figures in the entertainment and politics realm. Buckle up because the rabbit hole was deep. And by the way, you might just start questioning just how much power Scientology really has. Guys, welcome to the show. The name of this song is Looking for You by First Timer. This is going to be a really good episode, Sherry, because I've been kind of excited about this,

especially after we learned about Alastair Crowley, which we did, I think, the episode before last. And we were actually told about Alistair Crowley by, I think it was Dave or somebody. I can't exactly remember. And I did not actually know a lot about Alistair Crowley at the time. So the more I started researching who Alistair Crowley was, and then especially after a podcast,

I started realizing and making connections with like, maybe this is why our system and America and many factions of government or not just in America, but around the world, have been highly influenced by what many people may call evil. And we've always said on this show, like, we're fighting in war, but is the war Democrat, Republican, or is it good versus evil? And I've also always said, well, we have to identify what that evil really is, like who's in control, who influences those people, like politics. like musicians, like Hollywood, like all the things we see on an everyday basis and mainstream

television, how are those people influenced? And so we start to get into Alistair Crowley. And I encourage all of you, by the way, if you have not listened to our Alistair Curley episode, please go listen to the Alistair Crowley episode. We dive deep into all of its influences of Hollywood and the music industry and politics. And when you start getting into this, you start realizing just maybe this is why so much. much of Hollywood, so much of the music industry, maybe votes one particular way. They're anti-American, they're anti-Christian, they're anti-God, they're anti-all these things that maybe you are 100% for. And I think that's also why so many people do not relate or connect with Hollywood. They don't

connect with government. They don't connect with politicians or the music industry. And yet we're growing up or we're raising our kids to watch everything they see on television, watch the movies you watch on a daily basis. Listen to the music that your kids are listening to. And we don't understand that there are hidden messages in all this music and especially considering the fact that if you go back to our episode about Crowley and where it is very obvious, his influence over massive music artists even back then. We're talking about David Bowie and the Beatles and Led Zeppelin.

Led Zeppelin. You know, what's the guy that bit the bad head off? Oh, yeah. Ozzy Osbourne. Ozzy Osbourne, yeah. I mean, that's not actually very surprising to me, Ozzy Osbourne and Alistair Croleet, nor is Marilyn Manson, which was also connected to that because Marilyn Manson was getting popular, I think when I was in middle school.

Oh, wow. And so this dude was like, we had a faction of kids in our middle school that were like big Maryland Manson fans. And they always wore like black clothes. They had their fingernails painted. They would maybe what you'd be calling emo kids, I guess. But these are the people that went with the Marilyn Manson. and all of these groups, nine-inch nails.

And I'm not saying anything about it. Some of them have actually pretty decent music. But that's the point. You have to have good music to make influence on the younger generation. And I just think that this Aleister Crowley thing, the fact that he not only made an influence on Hollywood and the elites, but the fact that his message, his religion, quote unquote, still lives today. And most people just don't realize that. Yeah, it's just crazy.

And you think about all the podcasts we've done in the past, you know, about illumines. and all these Hollywood stars having crazy parties where they have these cakes that are all bloody and disgusting and they have devil worshippers as their cooks. And you think, what the heck? Are they just trying to act like they're cool or why are they doing this or what is up with this? But no, it really has to do with the religion and a lot of times, you know, where their beliefs are. Yeah. And, you know, selling their soul to the devil.

We've talked about that many times. and I think a cults like this could be selling yourself to the devil. Yeah, for sure. Absolutely it is. Well, I think that, you know, listen, for those that are new to this show, I'm going to go and tell you, we are not biblical prophets in any way shape, reform. We are not highly religious people on this show. We question so many things.

That's why so many of you guys that listen to us that are, you know, whether it's devout Christians or Jews or whatever your religion is, including Muslims, all of this. Most of the time we have emails and messages from you that says, well, the reason you're questioned this or this is why your question is, let me try to help you with this. Trust me, we get those messages all the time. And if you listen to us long enough, you'll understand that we are lost in a lot of ways. And that's not a bad thing necessarily. I think that we're lost, but we're at least trying to find our way.

If you're lost and just give up, then you're going to die. And so we're not lost. Yeah, we're not lost and just giving up. We're not just going to stay in one place and then we're going to freeze the death. we are lost and actively looking and we are trying to figure out the the signs back to the trail that is. But it's the trail to get us to glory. And whatever glory is, we'll figure it out.

But I think that's also why we like to explore stuff like this because we have to look and evaluate other things. Now, sure, the interesting thing to me as well about this Scientology thing. And I'm just going to, we're going to chat for a minute instead of getting right into like the history and some of the clips we have and all that. Do you know what's interesting about Scientology and a lot of the connections to El Ron Hubbard and even the current, I guess you can call leader of Scientology? That so many of these big time figures in the UFO community,

guess what most of their teachings and connections and who they kind of went, was brought up under in some of their either religious teachings or scientific, teach-ins or whatever. And I'm talking about huge names. Guess what? Most of it goes back to, Scientology. That's just crazy, but you think about the name. And this is the UFO community.

Yeah, but you think about the name, Scientology, it has the base word science in it. And it goes to self-enlightment. It makes complete sense that they would be Scientologies. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And so we've also talked about, and because I want to go ahead and get this out because we may not get to this. I may forget it because we're going to actually get into the history and kind of explaining this and play some awesome clips for you guys tonight. But you know how Dr.

Stephen Greer has these CE5 events. And so we've talked a lot about the CE5 events. And the CE5 events, events, what they teach you is that you can go out to a location. They'll teach you how to summons these or UFOs, aliens, or whatever it is. And then you can use the power of your mind. So through either meditation or go to this advanced meditative state to summons beings. Okay. So with that teaching by Dr. Stephen Greer and then Scientology, if you kind of look at how they teach, they're very similar. Like damn near identical. Yeah, because I was watching a video about what exactly is. And basically, long story short, some guy said that they brought all all these people onto earth and they murdered them and their souls were left and their souls

are looking for people on earth. And it has to do with mind control and using your mind to enlighten yourself. You know, it almost goes back to like we talked about in the last podcast, you know, one of my favorite books is the secret. Using your mind to control the outcomes of your life. Yeah. Or future situations or whatever. Yeah.

If you're stopped at a red light and you're in a hurry and you're late to work, you know, you think positively, you don't say, uh, this light is red. You say turn green, turn green. And supposedly that enlightenment of your mind is supposed to turn the light green. You know what I would say? Just using your mind power. And Scientology does a lot of this too. This is what they practice. Yeah. Now to your point, Sherry, even with that book, okay, even with the secret book and how they tell you that manifestation is what they essentially call that. But if you're a Christian, for example, if you're out, there listen as a Christian. You believe in Jesus and you believe God and you believe in historical

teachings of biblical references of God and Jesus and what they teach you here is that in biblical teachings, they say that I am the God. I am the power. I am the will and I am the only power. It only goes through me. Right. God. You are not God yourself and you never will be. Right. And the moment you start telling yourself that you're God is when I will rain down hell on you, basically. And so what we're starting to see in this world. And, you know, I've never really thought about the UFO thing in this term as far as biblically because I'm not like a biblical scholar. But what I can say is that there have been many times that when we talk about UFOs and aliens and people that are either Christian or even Muslim or whatever, that will reach out to us and say,

they think that if UFOs exist, they are demonic or they are in this realm that you do not want to start screwing with. And even people that participate in CE5 like events, they have a lot of issues. Right. And it almost kind of resonates in some ways with if we've heard about, you know, people that have been possessed by demons. Right. Are using a Ouija board, you know, opening those doors of bad karma.

Yeah. And so the Ouija board actually, Hasbro's, I think, is the creator of Ouji Board. And it's also very interesting. I saw this on a show the other day, but Hasbrose, which created Ouija Board. way back in a day. Hasbro's is based out of, I can't remember where to city now. You guys can look it up right now,

but it is the United States capital of witchcraft. And so makes complete sense, but they made this as like a game for children back in the day. Yeah, I played it. Yeah, but many people believe that they were making this game to actually open up realms into the satanic or the occultism of demonic entities. So that's a whole other conspiracy on its own.

tonight we're going to talk about L. Ron Hubbard a little bit about Oster Crowley. I do encourage you guys. If you have not listened to our Alistair Crowley episode, please go listen to that because I'm going to give you a brief rundown about what we talked about on that episode tonight, very briefly. But I do encourage you all to go back and listen to this because we're talking about sacrifices. And it's not sacrifices of goats. It's not sacrifices of animals, even though yes, witchcraft does do that as well.

They will take cats, especially black cats in some cases. There were actually cities to where they would, there were certain cities that had a lot of witchcraft activity going on around the United States, especially during Halloween. And they would say if you have black cats, keep them inside in certain cities because they were so many paganists in this particular area. And they said, keep your black cats inside because I guess there is some theory that if you sacrifice a black cat, it has. I don't know, a higher spiritual meaning on what that means. But they do sacrifices or at least Alastor Crowley. I'm not saying Scientology. I'm saying Alistair Crowley.

And a lot of what he believed, there were people that went on shows, like literally Oprah Winfrey, as we depicted in our Alistair Crowley episode, where they said that there would be people in this occult that would, that would, were made to be pregnant so that they could then sacrifice the baby. I mean. Yeah. And this was on Oprah. Oprah.

Yeah. Like literally. And so, and we've always heard this. We've always had rumors about this as far as the elites and, and, and maybe what they're into, some of this weird child, either pedophilia, sacrificing, you name it. There is that, you know, that whole conspiracy theory dazzled drip or that's what it rhymes with. But what I'm saying is that sounds so crazy until you start actually understanding Alistair

Crowley and some of the, some of the teachings he had and beliefs he had as far as sacrifices and in all of that. But before we get into this, I want to go ahead and let you guys know. We do have an X account. Please go follow us on the X. That is where we post primarily most of the time. We also have Facebook and Instagram. We will read you guys messages.

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We say and do and talk about whatever we need to talk about. And I also encourage people that we did have someone that has kind of trashed us or trashed me more specifically for about a year. And we had a debate. This was the, I don't know, two episodes or no, no, the last episode. Yeah, but a couple days ago. And, but it actually turned out pretty good. I think that Sergio, I think he did good. We disagree on a lot of things, but I think he did pretty good.

And I do encourage you guys to go listen to that. It was cool. It was actually cool to have a debate like that. So let me give you a little brief rundown. In our previous discussion on Alzer Crowley, we covered a lot of key aspects that laid the groundwork for understanding his influence on not only modern occultism, secret societies, but also Scientology. And so here's a little bit of a breakdown from our first episode.

Now, Alster Crowley and Thelima. Now, the birth of the Thelima, which is essentially the religion he created, it was his spiritual system was based on the book of law, which he claimed was dictated to him by an entity Awas in 1904. He also believed in this term, do what thou wilt. And this central maxim of Thelima was not just about personal freedom, but about following one's true will, which Crowley believed aligned with high. spiritual forces. Now, he also had rituals and magic. And so we explored his practices,

including ceremonial magic, sex magic, and astral projection, which were intended to connect the higher entities. And then also his influence on secret societies. We're talking about the Golden Dawn, his early involvement with the mystical group and his conflicts with his leadership. And then you had the OTO, the organization that adopted his teachings, particularly the practice of sex magic as core principles. And then his ties to intelligence agencies. Theories that Crowley was involved with British intelligence and possibly manipulated occult groups for espionage.

And then you had the occult connections of power structures. So the influence of pop culture and modern Satanism. How his ideas filtered into Hollywood rock music and even the counterculture movements of the 1960s. And then the connections to high-level figures, the speculation that Crowley's teachings inspired or influenced, major political and financial elites and their decisions. And then transition into El Ron Hubbard and Scientology, there's key bridges between

Crowley and Hubbard. Number one, Jack Parsons and the Babylon working. We need to focus on Hubbard's involvement with Jack Parsons, which was a devoted theelamite and rocket scientist who attempted to use Crowley's rituals to summon a divine feminine entity. Now, Hubbard played a major role in these rituals before allegedly portraying, or sorry, betraying Parsons. Now, I don't know if you guys are in the UFO community and you think about Jack Parsons and where he wanted to summon a divine feminine entity. What does that remind you of?

There is a specific person that has been very well known for at least a couple years now, but that's Chris Bledsoe. Chris Bledsoe and his experiences in the UFO and the lady, as he calls it. he's one on many shows he talked about this multiple times he talked about his experience where he went outside and he encountered this lady this was some type of spiritual being he believed was religious in nature and this was after he had various experiences with orbs and he explained the lady actually he explained it to a painter i think they painted the lady in this massive painting and i think she's wearing like a blue robe type thing but this is not new to crisp blood so So either if you want to say Chris Bloodso is a liar, okay, well, then he must have been

maybe following or at least heavily researching Jack Parsons and Alistair Crowley, which is all very possible, by the way. We don't know that, but we just do know that Jack Parsons, rocket scientist, was also trying to summons this lady spiritual entity. And then you have Hubbard's occult knowledge. While later claiming Scientology was purely scientific, Hubbard barred heavily. from Crowley's ideas, especially concepts of the will, spiritual ascension, and secret knowledge. And then Scientology as a modern mystery school, similar to Crowley's organizations,

Scientology structures itself as an missionary system where knowledge is revealed in stages. And so a lot of people believe these stages are all for money grabs. It's not necessarily like you're going to be enlightened the more you go through these stages. And this is like a 12-step program like you would have an AA or something. but many people accuse Scientology that this is a huge, massive money grab. Now, I want to play this clip, and this is from the Sean Ryan show. This is Rick Allen Ross, and this is where he talks about what are the biggest cults out there, and what does he think are maybe the most scary cults, I guess you would say?

And he actually refers to Scientology because he was an expert witness in, I guess, a court case. I believe against Scientology, but listen. What are some of the most prevalent cults today? Well, I would say we've touched upon the polygamist groups, and then there are, in my opinion, Scientology would be a group that I would be concerned about, even though there are many celebrities involved in it. It's a shrinking organization, but they still, control a great many people and they have an enormous amount of money and property that they control.

That group was started by El Ron Hubbard, the science fiction writer, who ultimately created a religion that has tax-exempt status in the United States and now is run by a man by the name of David Muskevich who took over after El Ron Hubbard died. And so there are prominent people people involved in Scientology like Tom Cruise, John Travolta. Interestingly, I had always thought over the years that if a celebrity that was in Scientology left and turned on them, that could be where celebrity recruitment, which often helped them, could be a two-edged sword that cut both ways. And that happened when Leah Remini, you know, the sitcom star,

left Scientology and started to speak out against them. And she has accomplished an enormous amount of good, basically explaining what's going on inside Scientology and how it affected her. And she was raised by Scientology parents to be a Scientologist. So that is an organization that I look at quite a bit and get quite a few complaints about. And by the way, I've testified as an expert in court regarding Scientology. And one of the most, and I've done a number of interventions to help people leave Scientology. And I write about that in my book.

And I think it's a very difficult organization for people to leave. Because if you have family in Scientology or friends, and there are people that have been raised in Scientology, their whole life is Scientology. There's a policy called disconnection, which would be the extreme equivalent of what Jehovah's witnesses called disfellowshiping. In Scientology, it's called disconnection. All right, Sherry, let me quiz you.

What do you think the difference in, I guess, what you would maybe call religion or like biblical beliefs or maybe Christian or whatever versus a cult? What would be the key differences or at least one key difference? Well, the freedom to stay, the freedom to leave. You know, you even think about polygamy, for example, a lot of these people are born into polygamy and they cannot get out of polygamy. And if they do, they take everything. They strip your life away from you. You're not allowed to talk to your brothers and sisters.

You're not allowed to talk to your moms and dads. They isolate you. They ostracize you. And so it's just basically what I said. It's not being able to leave a particular group is the difference. And the weird thing is because in in cults, you know, and there's a lot of people to also consider some religions cults, you know, that, you know, if you do a certain thing or you speak a certain way or you do this thing, although the Bible teaches that everyone is sinners, but there are certain religions or churches that say that, hey, if you don't act the exact way that we want you to act, then you're not Christian or you're not this or you're not that. And there's many, there's many churches in Christian faith that do. that. There are also many churches that have these little cliques and to where these little clicks think they're better than everybody else, although there's some of the worst people in some cases of anybody

in the church. And that's what's what's so nuts to me. But yes, leaving versus not being able to leave is a very big sign of a cult versus a religion or a or a belief or a spiritual nature structure. And, you know, we go back to there's many instances of this, but there's the physical ability to leave. And then there's also the mental ability to leave because there are a lot of cults that brainwash. And that's where as we go deeper in this episode and we talk more about government connections with some of these religions or new religions or whatever the case may be,

and we're not just specifically talking about Scientology, but government has played a role in religions for a very long time. there are people out there right now that believe that government in some way, shape, or have created religions to be able to better control the people. And although I personally believe in God and I believe in Jesus, and I will say that every single time, but the reality of it is that government does influence a lot of these new religions.

And not only do they influence these religions, they help these religions, whether it be with power, money, you know, politicians, you name it, they help this. And so cult versus religion, absolutely, is the ability to not be able to leave or the inability to leave, I guess is what I should say. I believe that really starts showing you the cult aspect of this. And so as we get deeper into this and you start hearing some accounts from people about when they wanted to leave Scientology, what happened to them?

And we're talking about harassment. we're talking about financial ruin. We're talking about there was even a case that was on the Leah, or sorry, the Remini podcast. Yeah, Leah Remini. Yeah, Leah Remini podcast where there was this mother and father that there, I believe it was their son that disappeared. And I don't know a ton about this,

but I guess Scientology in some ways has some type of group that is like, I'm not going to necessarily say some militia. I don't know. You guys have to look it up. But the kid disappeared. They filed a missing person report. And because they filed a missing person report, according to Leah Remini, that Scientology came out and went hardcore against this mother and father. And that was just simply because they followed a missing person report.

And they think, they thought that they were trying to, I guess, discredit, you know, their name or they were going to try to take this person from their religion. sounds all too familiar with a lot of cases of cults that we've heard in the past before. And this is a, you know, even with Tom Cruise, he's talking about Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. You know, Nicole Kidman, many people believe actually got Tom Cruise into this religion. We don't know that for sure. But Tom Cruise is a very high ranking member in the Scientology realm. And also the thing is, too, with this is like conspiracy theorists may believe that,

well, this is some way to come. control elitist or especially Hollywood actors or musicians to better be able to control what they do and say with, you know, with all their massive platforms. We've heard about if you're going to get famous, you get to sell your soul to the devil. And what does that really mean? Well, we don't know for sure. But what we do know is that Scientology especially, they want to try to recruit people in Hollywood or actors or musicians or artists, whatever. They want to try to recruit these people because they know they have massive platforms and it's going to bring them nothing more than more power. Let's listen to a little more of what he has to say.

And so they declare someone as what they call a suppressive person and then you are to disconnect from them, which means it's over. You have nothing to do with them. And it's rumored that this is the reason that Nicole Kidman's adopted children, Connor and Isabella Cruz have very little to do with her because they were raised in Scientology. And it's also been said that the reason that Katie Holmes left her marriage with Tom Cruise was because of Scientology. And that he has very little to do with his daughter, Surrey, because of Scientology. So what is the basis of Scientology? What do they believe?

Scientology is really kind of a self-help organization, or that's how they sell themselves. So they have courses, they have curriculum, and you go through these ascending levels. First, you reach what they call clear, and then there are eight different levels above clear. They call them operating Thayton level one, two, all the way to eight, O-T-8. Tom Cruise, I think, is an OT-7, John Travolta, an OT-7, Jenna Elfman, I think, also an OT-7. Danny Masterson, by the way, was very much involved in Scientology. And the women that he raped said that because they were Scientologists, this abuse did not come out for a number of years. And of course, eventually he was convicted.

Now he's in prison. So what Scientologists do is they go through what's called auditing, which is also referred to as a kind of spiritual counseling. And you sit with a person who is an auditor. You hold these metal cans, which are connected by wires to a box called an e-meter, which is really like part of a lie detector. It measures nervous tension in your hands, and it makes the needle move. And so you are asked questions about your life and what's going on in your life by the auditor. Tom Cruise has gone through this, John Travolta, Leah Remini at one point, and they take copious notes and they look at the e-meter to see when the needle moves. And when it moves, they know you're nervous about what they're asking you.

and then they can drill down into that. And people sign forms releasing their files to Scientology. So Scientology has the goods on you. They know all about your life. They do this in what they call a process to deal with a negative reactive mind. That is to help you. It's all done under the idea that this is, to help you become a better person, to realize your full potential.

Tom Cruise has many times praised Scientology. He says that it cured him of dyslexia. Other Scientologists will make similar claims. And Scientology considers itself the ultimate science of the mind, which is why they are very antagonistic to mental health professionals. who they see as, if you will, a competing source of help, an alternative to what they regard as the way to deal with your mind and your problems. So Scientologists pay a lot of money for auditing.

They pay a lot of money for these courses and on and on it goes. And it can be quite expensive, moving up the OT levels, doing. doing Scientology. I've heard a lot of rumors about people that have tried to escape this, that have been blocked away, kind of kidnapped. What do you make of this? Is that true? Well, you know, on occasion, Scientologists will have problems, you know,

that are not apparently effectively dealt with by Scientology. They may have a psychotic break. They may have problems because they're schizophrenic or they're deeply depressed. And Scientology says that they can cure these problems. But they apparently can't because there are families that say a suicide occurred because their family member did not get the help they needed or that they were in lockdown in Scientology. I want to pause for just a second because as we're hearing what he's saying here, there's been a lot

of people or not, I don't know about a lot of people, but who knows how many of people have been through these psychotic breaks, these things to where they completely break down from everything they know about life, their reality, all of this. And it just kind of reminds me to the danger and I guess the caution that I want to probably let everybody know is like, be very careful with what you start screwing with and what you open yourself up to. I mean, it even goes back and I'm not saying Scientology is like this. I don't know.

All I'm saying is is that be careful with how you open yourself up because I think oftentimes people want to open themselves up to things, you know, whether it be a Ouija board or maybe even the CE5 events where they go out there and try to communicate or connect with these things and they want to do it just to see if it's possible like they want to see if it's real right and they just want to they just want to feel something and they're not necessarily thinking about the implications of like what if this isn't good for me what if this isn't good for my life or my mental health what if this is demonic what if this is something i'm screwing with that is on the evil side and I think oftentimes that what a lot of people are starting to kind of confuse nowadays

with a higher spiritual being may be the devil in the skies rather than God. And I think if you understand or read the Bible, and I've read the Bible a lot, it's just I still feel like I still don't 100% know where exactly my head's going. but what I can tell you is that if you read the Bible enough, and then you start hearing stuff like this. And I think this is the journey I'm on is like, I've read the Bible. I went to church. I did all those things.

I went against church. I went against religion. I question so many things. And then the more I start researching and understanding other things that's going on, especially mainstream media and the UFO push to try to make everybody think, hey, these things are UFOs. They are, you know, they're like this new thing that you guys got to be excited about. It's almost becoming a new religion for a lot of people, the UFO community. And I'm not saying this necessarily bad. I'm not even saying that I don't believe in UFOs or aliens. But all I am saying

is that if you are a Bible believer, you got to evaluate this in a very, very, very different way. And you're going to be very cautious. And that's what I'm saying, because I just don't, in the Bible essentially says that you're not going to be able to communicate with things and beings on the earth like they're angels in a way that I think some people think they are right now, right? And it does say in the Bible, however, that especially in the end times, but throughout history, that there will be demonic entities abound on the earth that run the earth, that rule the earth, that not rule the earth. Well, a lot of demons do rule the earth until Jesus comes back or but these are prevalent.

Demonic entities are prevalent and they will do whatever they can to try to influence you to believe that they are spiritual entities that are going to give you a higher power. And they may be able to some way give you a higher power on earth here, but what are going to be the implications to that? And we've heard so many people. We've had a lot of people reach out to us and say, I participate in CE5. I did this, I did this and it disrupted my life in this way or I felt this way or I got depressed. I got sad. I had medical issues after this.

There are, there's something wrong with that because if this was of God, if UFOs was of God or these things that people are communicating with, it would not give you these, you know, these side effects, I guess you can say like they do. And yet there are religions that have been created around this.

And I think they're earthly religions. I think the religion of man, rather than religion of God. And I think that what is being used as is a control mechanism for man. And I think that somewhere along the lines that if you think about Alisher Crowley, you know, did he really believe in what he believed in? Did Alger Crowley really believe this? Did Elron Hubbard really believe what he believed?

Like, did he really believe this in his soul? Or was this a way that either, the government or intelligence agencies used people that they then put into positions of influence to influence platforms like, you know, David Bowie, you know, Led Zeppelin, you name it. Do they use these people to make people believe that this was possible that you can be the God? You are the God. You have all the power here. And it's like, it's almost like a battle against God, in my opinion.

What do you think about this? I mean, is that? Yeah, that's just really. deep to me because I don't know. I'm in a course of what I don't believe in what I do believe. And the only thing I can say is I definitely believe in God. And I think there is a higher power that created us. And when you go against that higher power and believe yourself as God, then you are not following God, I guess. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. So where do you got to put your faith? Do you put your faith in yourself or your own spiritual little beliefs that you're going to go out there and you're

going to put your feet on earth and you're going to be like, hey, earth is going to save me or protect me or whatever, this, this orb is in the sky that, you know, is showing itself to me or whatever I'm, whatever I'm meditating into or, or maybe I got to go do a drug to get these beings, which are like elf looking weird things that are often depicted in some of these trips. Is that God? I mean, and listen, all of these things could be possible. I want to say this. I could be wrong, right?

When I die, I could be wrong. Yeah, I think your thinking has really synthesized since we started the podcast, though, because when we first started this podcast, you were all about aliens and UFOs, and there was no way it was spiritual or anything else. And since the six or seven years, you're leaning more towards these are some kind of spiritual beings or beings from another dimension. That are not good, I think. Yeah.

And you think they're of evil existence. Yeah. So I think your thinking has changed a lot from when we first started the podcast. And in my opinion, I still believe there are UFOs and aliens. From like other planets and stuff. Yes. Yes. I still think there exist.

I do think that there is all of the above. I think there are evil entities, you know. And I didn't even know anything about Nethlehem before we started this. So, you know, that's what a lot of people say these could be. Yeah. Yeah, and the Bible talks about them, right? The fallen angels, Neflam, all of this stuff. And, you know, I was talking with someone the other night, you know, that talks about the book of Enick.

And, you know, the left out book of the Bible. And that's also very interesting to me. And so what I'm saying is I'm not saying I'm right. I don't want to preach to you guys and be like, these are all evil. And everything we're seeing, all the alien talk, that's all BS. It's all evil. I don't know that. I'm just saying that it could be both and there definitely could be aliens.

But what I will also tell you is that man may use those things to control you. Yes. And I think that that's what I'm trying to get at. And I don't know because even in the Bible, and I've said this a billion times on the show, in the Bible says towards the end times or near the end times, you will see signs from the heavens. What is those signs? Are they orbs? or are they UFOs? Or are they things like that?

But I at the very least believe that, you know, if they're angels or something, whatever God's sending down, it's not going to negatively affect you. But I also think that, you know, we don't completely understand what God's will or not necessarily will is, but like what he's trying to accomplish and maybe why he's sending things down. if God controls the universe, why is he sending things down? Maybe it's just he's sending things down to question it. Like, you know, just the other reality of like this does possibly exist. And then you have to reconcile with yourself. What does this mean to you? And this is what I'm doing, especially considering how deep I've been in the UFO realm and

the UAP stuff and the aliens and interdementality and all this stuff. if anything, all of that has at least verified to me some truth in the possibility of God. And I think when I was getting away from God, I think that was my biggest, I think it was the biggest thing I struggled with. I was like, well, there's no way that exists any, like, you know, I'm older now, I'm more mature. And to think about like some God up in space or up somewhere that supposedly created everything sounds ridiculous. And like the stories in the Bible sound ridiculous. But now all of a sudden, you know, UFOs or orbs that are interdimensional, all of a sudden isn't ridiculous.

But yet God is ridiculous. That's what I'm telling you. And so I think that you have to start, I think you at least have to start questioning the biblical stories and historical text from thousands of years ago. And by saying, well, is this true? obviously God's possible because if we're saying UFOs and interdimensional beings are possible, but we're saying God isn't, that's ridiculous. And you're right about some of these Bible stories I used to think are crazy, you know, like Noah,

for example, when he built this huge ship and put all these animals onto this ship because God said it was going to flood. Well, maybe Noah was a conspiracy theorist and he was the only one that believed in God and he did that. Or like David and Goliath, a big giant on Earth. Well, now that I know about Netham, then they exist. And they're big giant people or big giant things. That would make sense. Or Jonah and the whale.

By the way, Jonah did die in that. Yeah, I know. But even Jonah and the well. We saw somebody in Australia, I think, gets swallowed by a well. And then spit out. Yeah. So these stories that used to be ridiculous to me, they have more sense now that I guess I know more and see more. Yeah. Yeah, we're going to get there someday. I think that I, and by the way, I do feel like that God is trying to lead me in some direction, shape, or form. And I oftentimes fight that. But God, I don't think God's mad at me for fighting it. I think he, I think he understands, right? And that's what I feel. But I am at least trying to fully actually understand. And I'm not just discarding it. I'm not trying to make my own religion. I'm not trying to just believe in what everybody else is saying. I'm in a lot of ways, I guess.

just saying guide me to the truth. And that's what I want. I want the truth. And I want you to help me understand through all of these things we're talking about, including Scientology, Alistair Crowley, UFOs, aliens, government corruption, everything. I want you to guide me there. And I think that's what's happening. And I don't know where it's going to guide me yet.

But, you know, we're on the journey together, everyone. So we will find out. Let's listen to a little more of what he has to say. Because that was what Scientology felt they needed, though they did not. What is the lockdown? What is that? Well, they will isolate a person and monitor them during a period of time, which they believe will resolve their problem. And, you know, this happens with certain situations with Scientology.

And people may not get the help that they need. How long could somebody be locked down? Well, there are people that have been. locked in what's called the rehabilitation project force, you know, within Scientology. This is a program that Scientology runs where if you are deemed to be a problem,

you can be isolated in a rehabilitation project for months, years. So it's a re-education program. It supposedly is going to help this person to be to be a better, more productive member of society of Scientology. But in reality, people that have been a part of this program, which they become isolated in this facility in Hemet, California, they feel it's like a prison.

And there have been people held there for long periods of time. And there have been people that claim they escaped from that program. So I would say that Scientology is a very, can be a very harsh, very controlling organization for people. And this can cause a lot of problems. And I've had complaints about Scientology going back decades. So when you say, when these people are put into the, the, whatever, I can't remember what you call it, the re-education camp. Is that against their will?

If someone is put in that camp, it is with their consent. But I would argue, how did that consent, how was that consent obtained? What was the process? Because there have been allegations that it can be quite coercive, quite manipulative to get that person to go to that rehabilitation program. And it's a very, very harsh environment, according to people who have left. So there you go. And, you know, we've heard about re-education camps before.

Who was that to said that? I think it was Hillary Clinton. Was that? Was that who said that? Yep. For all the deplorables? Yes. Yeah.

Got to go to that re-education camp, bro. Pack your bags. y'all are leaving tomorrow and then cash betel enters the chat and so does don't trump as that is never mind never mind that but i do want to get to core beliefs of scientology because we're going to be fair here we have to actually explain to you guys what scientology is like what are their core beliefs what do they really believe um about uh you know what are their core principles so scientology presents a as a scientific and spiritual path to self-improvement and ultimate enlightenment.

It believes that the nature of the soul, also known as a Theton and past lives auditing, and achieving a higher state of being. While the church claims it is not a faith-based religion, its doctrine is deeply structured with hierarchical, spiritual levels, secret knowledge, and strict obedience to leadership. So the Thetan conspect, or the immortal spirit. self. Now, a Thetan equals soul. In Scientology, each person is immortal, spiritual being known as a Thetan. Now, the Thetan is separate from the body and mind, meaning humans are not their bodies or brains, but eternal beings that reincarnate indefinitely. The goal of Scientology is to

liberate the Thetan from the spiritual ignorance and the physical limitations of the material world. So as you start thinking about the C-5 stuff and all the higher meditation stuff, or I don't know, maybe you could even say like the psychic ability aspect, the palm readers, Ms. Cleo. I don't know if you guys remember Ms. Cleo, but anyways, that's a joke. Some of you'll be like, hopefully you're laughing. But the reactive mind versus analytical mind. Scientology divides the mind into two main parts, analytical, which is the perfect mind that is logical, intelligent, and capable of reasoning.

Then there's also the reactive mind, the unconscious mind that stores painful experiences, called ingrams from past lives and present traumas. So how this works is negative experiences create ingrams, which Scientology believes that controls people's emotions, fears, and behaviors. Now, these ingrams are the root cause of human suffering and must be erased through auditing to achieve spiritual freedom. Number three, auditing the path to clear. Auditine is the central practice of Scientology where a person undergoes a one-on-one session with an auditor using an e-meter, which we just heard in our last clip.

The goal is to identify and eliminate Ingrams, bringing the person to the state of clear, a spiritual milestone where the individual is supposedly free from irrational fears, traumas, and subconscious influence. Now, the e-meter is a device similar to a lie detector that allegedly measures mental responses. Scientologists believe it helps locate Ingram so they can be cleared. And then you have the bridge to total freedom, operating Theton OT levels. After reaching clear, members advance to higher levels known as an operating Theton or OT, where they are said to gain supernatural powers. OT levels, or OTI-02, highly confidential teachings that are revealed only to members who have paid large sums of money. And then you have OT3, the Zeno story, the most infamous secret teaching.

At this level, Scientologists are taught that 75 million years ago an evil galactic dictator named Zinu sent billions of souls to Earth, killed them with hydrogen bombs, and trapped their spirits. These spirits called body thetons now cling to humans and cause psychological distress. Then you have OT3 training involves exercises. these spirits through expansive auditing sessions. So with that being said, I got to get to this Lisa Remini clip on Joe Rogan, and this was like seven years ago. And I think this is when she started to kind of come out and fight Scientology. And by the way, Lisa Remini is currently in a lawsuit, which we'll get to in just a minute

with Scientology. But this is what she had to say on the Joe Rogan podcast episode. These are called Seorg members. I'm not talking about average Scientologists. And explain to me to Seargue, because was that established when Elron Hubbard was evading taxes? So he got on a boat? Yes. And he created the ship called the free winds.

And whatever ship, that's not called the free winds. It is called the free ones now, but that's where they deliver the highest level of Scientology there, OTA. So when you get to OTA8, you got to get on a boat. But before that, I don't know the name of his boats, but I think it was called the Apollo. That was a part of going clear that was hilarious when, who was it, one of the writers? or one of the... Well, Hagas? Yes.

When he received, like, the highest level shit. That wasn't even the highest level, John. That was OT3. Really? Yeah. And when I read it, I literally, you know, you have to go into a secure room. Explain you talk us through that. What does that like?

First of all, you have to get invited. You have to get an invitation. So you'd been Scientology for years. You'd spend a ton of money already. A ton of money. And you're like, God, damn it. By the way, most Scientologists don't even get to this. Most.

Most don't. Right. Yeah, because you have to be wealthy to get to this. Not only do you have to be wealthy, but a lot of times what they do, the new scam is you've got to go, you get to a level and then they go, oh, we mess that up. You have to go back down at your expense. Right. You have to redo that part. You were talking about that on your show.

Yeah. Yeah. And they rewrite some new thing. Yeah, yeah. Now David McScavers rewrites things and says he found it in a vault somewhere. And we all believe it, maybe. Honestly, we all believe it because we want to believe it. So talk me through.

So you go through this rigorous. How level did you get to? OT5. Ooh, you got close. Yeah, I got close. I got to, so when I went, so you, to get to this advanced level, this is, it's called advanced levels. Right. You are put through the ringer.

They go through every folder. Now, from the moment you walk into it, your Scientology, they have folders on you. So everything you've ever said is written down and videotaped. Okay. So they get your folders and they call it. They go through it. Okay. And they go through every transgression.

Are you still humping your pillow? Are you still, you know, a nasty asshole to your mother? Like they go through everything. Are you still connected to this person who said something bad about Scientology 20 years ago? So they make sure that you're eligible to get the advanced data. And where do they bring you? Okay. They bring you to a room.

Where is it at? It's on Elron Hubbard Way in Los Angeles and Fountain. So how nervous are you? Are you freaking out? I'm excited because finally all this shit I've put up with all my life is finally going to be answered. All my questions of life are going to be answered in this moment. And you realize this is the moment you're going to get the sacred documents. So my mother, yeah.

So because I'm a celebrity, they let my mother come in and she was also a higher level than me, right? So imagine I'm in this like double, like so you go through one door and then security. and then you got to get the land. You've got to get clearance. You've got to go take a picture. You've got to sign documents and say if I ever reveal this, it's going to be $100,000. You know, you don't ever get to read any legal document that Scientology gives you. So you just sign things.

You know, they say sign here, sign here. It's like today what you did here. So I don't know. I could be married to you as for all I know when I signed today. I like how you shook your head. No. You don't need to shy. Okay, so you know comedy.

You don't deny Joe. so I don't know why you keep denying. That's how you step up to comedy another notch. Got it. You deny. You just go, no. Oh, I didn't get the memo. Okay, so that's what we're doing now?

Yeah, yeah. Okay, got it. So the, uh, okay. So you go into a room, a secure room. You got to land your, take your photo. You sign the documents. Well, they give you a folder. You have to get a briefcase that only you know the code to.

A briefcase. So you go up to the window, to the A.O. window. and you hand them your briefcase. They scan your briefcase and they put the materials in the briefcase and they close it. They turn it back to you and you lock it.

Then you attach the briefcase to your body. Like a handcuff? No, like with a little clip. It has to be... Has to be physically connected to you. Right. So when you go pay, you have your briefcase coming with you. Correct. Right.

Okay. So you get a briefcase. They go down the hall and use your thing and you're going to be led into one door and then you're going to go into another door and then you're going to go into the course room. And so it's called. So you go into the three doors or two doors or whatever it was.

You sit down. You open up your briefcase and you read the material for the first time. The answers. So my mother's sitting there in front of me. Okay. She's so excited. Understand that this is what you want for your kids. Like you're like they're getting up the bridge and they're getting the answers to life.

So when they come back next lifetime, they're not going to forget everything. They're not going to be as fucked up as they were when they were. You know what I mean? Right. It's really a proud moment, you know. And so my mom sitting across from me like, so excited. And I'm reading this that my body is made up of other beings. My body, my whole body, my thoughts and everything are mixed in with these other beings that are make up, compose my body.

Okay? Are you following me? Yep. What's your understanding of it? Your body's made up of other beings. Right. every everything everything my thumb is composed of other beings your hair maybe not the nails because they're acrylic okay your skin's other beings your eyes are other

beings everything everything like thou just here just in there just my thumb is a person is a is this being trapped into this body okay so I read this and the supervisor comes over and he goes do you understand I want you to draw it out I want you to draw it out so the supervisor has access to this information. Yeah, yeah, he's standing there to make sure, right? So I go like this, Joe. I go, I don't know. You draw a little person. Okay. I go, there's a bunch of beings on me like that. And I give it to him like that. And he goes, start again. I want you to read it again. And then I want you to draw another one. So I go, okay. So I did all this, you know, and I literally did this, Joe. I made circles on every part of my body. So for people who are just listening, Lee's drawn a stick figure and she's drawing little circles all over the stick figure. Right? Right. Now these beings were like from 75 trillion years ago.

They were put in volcanoes and blown up and packaged and overlord. Anyway. Are you freaking out at this point? I go, I look at my mother who's sitting. Now, the supervisor is standing over me. So I go, what in the fuck? She's like, is that amazing? So your mom was in.

She's buying it. There's OT8. Right. Your mom's OT8? Yeah. Your mom's top of the food chain? Yeah. Not only is my mother top of the food chain when it comes to the counseling side,

my mother was top of the food chain when it came to administering Scientology, which is very rare. She was what's considered a high-trained auditor. But she hadn't read this stuff yet? Of course she read it. She was just there to see my excitement. Oh, I see. Okay.

She was just there as a spectator to see her daughter receive the answers. Right. But you were super skeptical. Oh, I tell you. Right. Right. Right. Right.

Supervisor comes over and he goes, what don't you understand? I go, I understand it. I just, I don't, I don't love it. Like, I'm not happy. I go, I'm just going to tell you I'm not happy with this is what it was. And he goes, well, you don't need to believe it. You just need to do it. So that's the answer that's given to you. You don't need to believe it. You just need to do it. So then you have to go and audit this. You have to go and do it on yourself. Talk to these beings on the meter, by yourself. So on the meter, meaning you hold the cans.

And when I say cans, folks, what they look like, it looks like soup cans. Like if you drained all the soup from a soup can and it had a string attached to it, and it's connected to some. Yeah, you could just Google what? Scientology, E meter. E meter. Okay. So you have to hold the E meter and discuss this?

No, you think it. You think it. You just think it. So now you've got to go get your material. So after you've been checked out on this and they get that you get what it is, then you go back to the window and they give it. and they give you your actual what you're supposed to do with this information. So it'll say, like, it'll be a piece of paper and it'll say, ask this question and then look at the meter and what the answer is.

Whatever answer comes to your mind, write it down. Do you see what I'm saying? Yes. So all you're doing is awakening these things to talk to them, really. Yeah. Right. And to let them go. You're basically saying, like, go be free.

So this is OT3? Correct. And by the way, when I was a Scientologist and I heard that this was a story, I didn't know. So I would go to the internet and go, O-T-3 story, but I didn't know if it was true. So I couldn't verify it. Right. Do you know what? So most people who go, that's bullshit because they haven't, they don't know what they're looking at on the internet.

Right. There's no one to verify it with. So if I went to my mother, let's say, before I got to this level, you're told to lie to people. Oh. You can't tell people what the answers are because they're going to get pneumonia. Were they get pneumonia? Literally will die. Okay.

So a lot of times when I lied to the press and then they confronted me on it and said, why'd you lie? I was like, I had to to save your life. I mean, I can't. I don't want to give you cancer. So if you were about to go to OT3 and then you went online and you investigated, what is OT3? And then you read a bunch of stuff about these little beings in your body and then asked your mom, your mom would have to lie to you. She would lie to me as she did, as she did. So after you got through this, what made you do?

Four and five. Because there's always the carrot of like just wait. Okay, it'll make sense. Here's what they do. They set up that you're the auditor now. So you're auditing these things in your body. You're now the boss.

So they tell you, get your hat on. Like it's your job. You don't need to believe anything. You just need to audit them. So you need to do your job as an auditor. That's what they're called auditors, people who are the ones who take you into session in Scientology.

Right. So you. feel like you're in a leadership role. So you're doing these things a favor. You know, and you're like, well, maybe it's true. I don't know. I mean, I do sometimes hear voices. Like, you know, you have a moment with yourself,

and you're like, I might be really kind of crazy. So you're like, maybe this is an answer. It's sick because it speaks to a side of you that wants answers about life, you know? And then you're like, no, this is some crazy shit, man. It wasn't even people. What? No. You know, listen, you believe what you want to believe.

leave at the time. Right. So does it feel to you at the moment, like, maybe if you just keep going, all the pieces will fall in the place, then it'll make sense. Yes. Like, I'm confused now, but if I contemplate this and I really think it over, eventually, I'm going to receive enough information where this is all going to be like, oh, I was a fool. I didn't understand.

Right. So, for example, one time I had talked to a friend about it, I said, you know, I heard something about some Zeno shit. She pulled me into slavery. Celebrity Center so fast into a secured room. And she handed me my ass. She said, don't you ever say that word outside a secured room. I'm writing a knowledge report on you.

She said, I'm writing a report on you. You never say that word out loud in a room that's not secured, okay? And never say it again. So she wrote a report on me. A knowledge report. She wrote a knowledge report on me. I got sent to what's called Ethics, which is like the Justice Department of Celebrity, of Scientology. and they said they brought me into another secured room because they have to get somebody who knows this information.

And they said, never ever say this, never confirm it, never deny it, never give that information out ever, just never discuss it. Well, look, I think her problem is she just doesn't fully quite understand it yet because she's not an OT level six. And that's, I'm just saying, I mean, I think Lisa Remini is wrong here. I she's level five at the time of this recording but I think if she just would have got to six she would fully absolutely understand everything that was on that little paper but what she's talking about this is what they really believe because that's what I was talking about the beginning of the podcast where they said they released all these souls you know on earth and they all become your body and you have to get rid of them yeah through the ingrams or there are

ingrams and you have to get rid of these things yep no I agree 100 percent and and that's was so strange, guys, is, you know, it's very interesting to me because the more I've started kind of digging into Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard and Jack Safardi and, um, and even Alistair Crowley. And then you start thinking about all of the influence of people that had some type of influence. I guess you can say in the UFO community, a lot of the UFO community, how many of these people have been directly connected to the church? of Scientology. And we're talking about people like Kit Green and Hal Putoff and Christopher Mellon,

George Knapp maybe, Jeremy Corbell. We don't know for sure, but Robert Bigelow, Eric Davis, Lou Alizando, Jay Stratton, Travis Taylor, Gary Nolan, David Grush, even. There are so many underlying connections of so many of these people in the big UFO community that have, I guess, we've been understudies of some of these. big time UFO names that are pushing this narrative or the storyline forward about UFO's interdimensionality. And then especially when you start hearing and thinking about who a lot of the names I just

mentioned, I'm not saying all of those are connected for sure or not. You guys can go on and do your own research. And when you go and do your own research, please email us or send us a message. Let us know. Yeah, let us know. Let us know how you can connect all these people. But you know what's interesting is the way you're connecting. the UFO community or people that are, you know, in that community, it goes back to Alster Crowley.

He believed a extraterrestrial came to him that was a God and told him all this information. So no wonder they believe in all this because this is their jive. Yeah, well, this is what Chris Bletso also said. I mean, Chris Bletso says the lady came to him and said all these things. I mean, he literally, I think we had played it on, I don't know if it's the Alistair Cruelly episode. I can't remember what episode it was. But we played the Chris Bloodso clip. And it wasn't Alster Carly.

It was like one or two before that. But we played the Blood So clip where he went on Sean Ryan and he talked about this vision that he had. And I think maybe based on the lady or whatever, he has this vision about when the world's going to end and what's going to happen. And this is the exact date. All these things potentially may play into some type of realm around this. Now, we're not saying 100% Scientology. is bad. We're not saying that Scientology necessarily plays into any part of any of these people.

We don't know who's actually for sure connected. We just know that there are some type of connections of people that have in some way been involved in Scientology. Like I think it was, I don't know if it was Hal Putoff was one of the main ones or whatever, but then you start looking at all these understudies of some of these people. Like, what is their belief systems? Where did they get a lot of this information? And, you know, the interesting thing, even here, we played Rosk

Colthart, I don't know how many times, he's News Nation every single week talking about UFOs, you know, getting this storyline out there with the UFO community. And Ross Cothart even talked about, I do think that the Church of Scientology knows a lot more than it's letting on. So this is what Ross Colthart said on a recent show. And as we're talking about how much of the UFO community is involved in this in some way, shape, or form, here's what Ross Colthart said. Listen.

One thing that does interest me is I do think the Church of Scientology knows a lot more than it's letting on. And it's interesting because Danny Sheehan has indicated something about this. I strongly recommend people go back and have a look at his interviews. I also think that it's interesting that the Mormon Church has an inordinate number of people working inside the legacy program. And yes, we know who you are. I have names, I have locations, I have people who are managerial roles in the legacy. the Mormon Church, who just also happened to be in very senior positions in the legacy program. And it's interesting. Maybe people in the Mormon faith find it in many ways because so much of

the Mormon faith is derived allegedly from an alien communication. If you read the history of the church, maybe they believe that it validates their religion for this to be revealed or explored. I don't know. But no, I'm not aware of any kind of sect or religion that is sharing this knowledge. I do think that there are some religious institutions, though, such as the Mormons and the Scientologists, that have done a lot of work into this area. And frankly, I don't think there's anything sinister in that. If I had the resources, I'd be pouring money into investigating this as well. All right.

So that's what Ross Colthar had to say. I'm not shitting on Scientology because it doesn't affect in my life. I'm not a Scientologist. I have not been affected by that. Especially after so many episodes, we've talked about this interdementuality stuff, aspect of UFOs and all that's, you know, there's probably a lot of people out there that are listening to this now. They're like, well, damn, is that the connection? Is this what created the religion?

I think the bigger thing with Scientology and I think a lot of the gripe from a lot of people around the world is, is that, you know, they utilize this, I guess, power that they supposedly know or are all knowing about to gain a lot of money. And we're talking about these steps in their books and their courses and the amount of money they make in the process of being OT level. this, OT level, that. The amount of money is ridiculous. And not saying necessarily anything bad about that. If you're willing to do it, then go for it. But I do find it very interesting how it is in a lot of ways connected to the UFO community.

I cannot help but to think about that. And I'm not saying that's necessarily bad. But as this guy here says, ex-Scientologist Aaron Smith Levin and Red Panda Koala, I will give you credit for this video. You had actually posted this February the 2nd of 2025. but he says all Scientologists believe in aliens and UFOs. And so listen to what this guy has to say about Scientologists, aliens, and UFOs. ologists believe in aliens and UFOs, that aliens have been involved in the creation of civilization,

evolutionarily speaking, but that the only reason we as beings are on this planet, not we as human beings are on this planet. planet, but we as spiritual beings are on this planet, is because we are being imprisoned here by Zinu and his evil psychiatrist henchmen who operate the Between Lives Implant Stations on either the moon or Mars or Venus or whatever. And Scientologists, like if you're not a Scientologist, if you don't believe in aliens. And let me see, I did make some notes. the Zinu story. Yeah.

Oh, so we is, you know, in popular culture, Scientologist's belief in Zinu and the aliens and the galactic confederacy and the huge traumatic incident that happened on planet Earth about 76 million years ago or 67 million years ago. This story has been told on South Park. And it really is the big secret in Scientology is that there's this confederacy. of planets called the Galactic Confederacy. And I forget how many planets are in the Galactic Confederacy.

But anyway, a long time ago, one of the dictators of the Confederacy Zinu decided that there was a population problem. And the best way to get rid of half of the population was to call them in for tax audits. But it was just like a, it was a fake out, guys. It was a fake out. He called these people in for tax audits. And he flash froze them in Glycol. And he loaded them all up in space planes.

and he flew them to planet Earth, which was called Teagueyak back then, or in that language, and he dropped all of these frozen bodies and beings into the volcanoes on Earth and blew them all up with hydrogen bombs. And that created this whole vast, I want to call it a generation, but that'll be the wrong word. This planet-wide population of sick, disoriented, half-dead, confused, damaged spirits. and those spirits have just been blowing in the winds of earth and attached to all sorts of things in the environment for the last tens of millions of years. And then the human body evolved over time. And then somehow other spirits were more recently brought to Earth, but not really blown up in the volcanoes. And that's me and you.

We're like, we're the spirits that weren't damaged by the volcano hydrogen bomb explosions, which is why we are aware enough to, like, occupy our own bodies and animate. be the prime animator of our own bodies. But these spirits that were blown up in the volcanoes, they're called body Thaitons. And they're called Body Thetans, because unlike you or I, where we're higher level Thaitons

that can animate a body, the body Thadens are too sick to animate bodies. So they just stick to bodies, like parasites, like honest to God, alien, alien spiritual parasites. And as Scientologists, when you get to the higher levels of Scientology,

you telepathically exercise these beings off of your body. By using L. Run Hubbard's processes, you telepathically ask them questions like, what are you, who are you? And they're like, oh my God, I'm me! And they wake up and they leave your body, and they go and they pick up a body of their own. This is what Scientologists believe.

Okay, we're spiritually infested because we're prisoners here, And Zeno and his alien henchmen are the beings responsible for keeping us here. So Scientologists are not hoping for the aliens to come back. That would be bad. That would be the fifth invader force coming back to Earth. Elron Hubbard said that the Christians are going to welcome the next invasion of the fifth invader force because they're going to think it's the second coming of Christ.

This is an example of how Scientologists very much look down on Christianity, but they still use the Christian cross as a symbol to fool people into thinking that Scientology is compatible with Christianity. So believe me, Scientologists are not hoping that this is Zinu coming back or the Fifth Invader Force coming back because that would basically, they would basically be invading to destroy planet Earth,

kind of like the story of battlefield Earth, where Turl is a big giant alien, and what is the name of the alien race, guys? Cyclos. Cyclos is a homage to the evil psychs, Scientologists call the psychiatrists and psychologists, the Sykes. Okay, so I just wanted to comment on that as far as...

All right, there you go. So, you know, you're hearing this, and it just, you know, the more you listen to it, and I'm not necessarily saying that if you believe in certain aspects of Scientology or what, I guess you can say maybe the beginning, or earth origin belief system of Scientology wants you to believe. There's probably a lot of people out there that believe in the ancient alien or, you know,

I guess you can call it alien astronaut theory of how we were created. I myself believe in God. And I don't think that, you know, the more, like I said, the more I think about it, I don't think that's just like a cliche thing to say. I believe in God and Jesus and I believe the Savior and I believe all this stuff. But if you think about God, God is an alien. Well, he is. He's not a human.

Yeah, you're right. So that would be alien to us. I agree. The problem I have, unless I'm misunderstanding this, right? And I don't know everything about Scientology. This is just our discussion on it. The problem I have, and this is not just with Scientology, this is with many religions, including Muslim religion, including Christianity's or various churches or pastors or religious leaders. when you start having people that lead a church that they themselves believe that they are the

almighty and powerful in God. And there are different factors of this. I think there are religious groups that are more like that than others, I guess you can say. But, you know, when you can't leave a particular belief system, and if you do or you criticize that belief system, you are, you know, discharges. or humiliated, harassed. That is a problem. And how is that godly or higher spiritual, or a higher spiritual belief system? Why would you do that unless you wanted to protect something? Or what are you protecting? Are you protecting a monetary value that you're trying to bring in

as many people as possible? And if your image gets hurt or if people start believing that whatever you're trying to preach or teach, that is maybe ridiculous to some people, then that's going to obviously hurt your structure of monetary value in your church. And I'm not saying Scientology is the only church that makes a lot of money. I mean, think about Joel Osteen and all these pastors around the country and world, especially the United States, though, religion has become a multi, multi-million dollar business. There are pastors that are making multi-millions of dollars. They are flying around in G5 jets.

They're richer than some CEOs of major tech companies. But if you even think about people like Joel Osteen, you think about what he preaches. It's not, I don't think he preaches total Christian things. I think he uses the Bible. But what he preaches is self-improvement and, you know, how you can make your life better. And you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And where you go to Baptist churches or regular churches, they preach directly from the Bible.

I think Joe Osteen's way different because he's almost like a self-motivation type individual. Yeah, he is. I mean, he is. And I think a lot of that stuff is enlightening, just like with Scientology. I like the fact that you can self-improve and do things to make yourself spiritually enlightened. I think there are many ways you can do that. It's just how they use the structure. Yeah, the structure and how they capture people.

Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, Lisa Remini, she went on the Chelsea Handler show, and she talked about even on this interview where, Chelsea Handler was like, hey, you know, tell me a little bit about what your fight has been and all this stuff. And Lisa Remini even said that the Church of Scientology reached out to her and said, hey, your friend, you know, Chelsea Handler made a joke about us. You need to call her and tell her to quit making jokes about Scientology. And so Lisa Remini did. She called Chelsea Handler.

And Chelsea Handler is basically in, you know, lighter term. They said, F off. I'm a comedian. This is what I do. But they see any critical belief or theory on their church as war. And this is what they see. I just think that in any religious system, if you have a structure that becomes the God and the almighty, the court, the ruling, the, what is it called, the judge and jury, that's where the problem comes. And the reality is, is that I think that. I think that. that this is a battle between God and human man-made religion. And there's a lot of people still this day to believe that, you know, Christianity is a man-made religion. You know, there's people that say that all the time. These are people that wrote this in a book.

And those people are the ones that made Christianity. The Muslim, the Quran is a man-made religion. Jewish is a man-made religion. All these things are man-made. And whereas I don't necessarily. I'm not going to fight with you on whether or not each religion is manmade or not. I'm just telling you that if you go back historically on various text from a very, very long time with thousands of years ago, there is credibility to a lot of biblical texts.

And it's not just Christian. There's a lot of similarities in the Quran and, you know, the Torah and, you know, just modern day Bibles. that thousands of years ago seem credible. And I know Joe Rogan, you know, he always talks about like, well, he thinks that a lot of these spiritual encounters back in the day could have been from, you know, mushrooms or some type of psychedelics. And that's actually what they were seeing or we've even talked about. Like, what if they were seeing UFOs or, you know, these spiritual beings rather than God?

But I think that, I don't know. I just, I think Jesus in the resurrection. resurrection is the one clear defining moment in time that if you want to believe separately from a psychedelic trip or whatever the case is, and you could even maybe still say that, I still say Jesus is probably the key defining factor there. Well, that kind of goes against what your point was just made moments ago. But what I want to say is people didn't make the pyramids because they were on mushrooms. I think some kind of divine intervention helped to make the pyramids.

So is that God or is that aliens? I don't know. Or is it both? I mean, and that's the thing. That's what I'm saying. Like, we're still on this path, right? And we don't know the answers. So it's hard for us to just, you know, shit on other religions.

I mean, I obviously, if you listen to a lot of what people say about Scientology that have been involved in it as far as the harassment techniques and you're not able to leave and, you know, all of these various things we've talked about, that doesn't seem necessarily so inviting, you know. Well, and it's not inviting when you have to spend $100,000 to a million dollars to be in these higher levels. Yeah. You know, but when you think about going to any kind of church, they constantly are taking donations every time you go to help the church or do whatever.

But I'm talking hundreds of thousands of dollars. That's kind of out there. Oh, it's tons of money. But that's also why I think potentially they recruit celebrities. And however they originally got that, well, you go back to Alisler-Crowley. Al-Zer-Crowly got into, you know, the space of musicians in Hollywood from way back then. And then I think that tradition lived on through El Ron Hubbard. And I think that's also why they say that there are potentially intelligence agency connections like CIA.

I mean, thinking about some theories that suggest that Scientology was never just a religious movement but an extension of government mind control experiments, even going back to MK Ultra type stuff. I mean, the methods used in Scientology, which is sleep deprivation, isolation, repetitive drills, training routines, and TRs, and confession sessions closely resemble M.K. Ultra programming. I mean, there's just no way around that. Hubbard's background in naval intelligence raises the question of whether he was a rogue

intelligence asset or a willing participant in psychological operations. So it all goes back to this. Like, how did number one, Alistair Crowley all of a sudden get into Hollywood so deeply and get into the music industry so deep? How did El Ron Hubbard do this exact same thing? And then you think about the teachings from El Ron Hubbard and now Scientology, how are they so connected to Hollywood? Like, how are they so connected to the people to actually have platforms?

I mean, is that just by coincidence? No, they went after them. Well, and they went after them. Yeah, and so who's helping them? Are their intelligence agencies that helped, whether it be Alice or Crowley, El Ron Hubbard, whoever, get into these deep circles of elitism? And as we've said, a billion times, it's just weird that if you look at Hollywood and then, you know, mainstream music and all the record labels and all the movie,

executives and all the movie studios, you either believe one certain way or you do not work. That is that is it. Yeah. Selling your soul to the devil. But going back to Alistra Crowley, you've got to remember, you know, his background, his parents were really, really religious and they were Christian. And I think he rejected the religion because I think he had mental issues. I think that he was a sex addict.

And that's why he went into the sex, you know, the black. sex magic stuff. And, you know, he was dabbling in other cults like the Golden Dawn Colts. And he was playing around with these cults. And he built his own. Yeah. But I think it was based on his addictions. Yeah.

And but it also makes you think like if you're an intelligence agent or agency, you know, who would be the perfect person to build up and create a new cult that you could utilize for Hollywood and mainstream, I guess, entertainment? like who would you want to have in that role? It would be someone that probably grew up Christian, rebelled, no longer wanted to believe in Christianity. And so then you give this guy all the power to do whatever he needs to do to create this new formed religion of, but even when you go back to, I went pretty deep today.

And we're not going to go into it on this episode, but even Jeffrey Epstein has some potential connections in some ways to some similar religions like what we've been talking about tonight. It is something that is very interesting. We don't know exactly if the influence of Scientology today is 100% from Alistair Crowley. But we definitely know that Alistair Crowley influenced El Ron Hubbard, which is the founder of Scientology, although they kind of moved in some ways a little bit away from some of the teachings from Alastair Curley. I think that was just to kind of hide or, you know, take away the fact that they were so

connected. They wanted to kind of create their own new thing. And then, you know, obviously you have a new leader now, which is. David, Ms. Cavage or something. Yeah, I can't remember his name. But yeah, so you have this new leader. And then you have Lisa Remini.

She sued them. I don't know how many years ago she sued him, but this lawsuit is still ongoing. She sued him for defamation. harassment. There are various other, I guess, implications in this lawsuit. But as of today, it is still going on. I think this has been a multi-year lawsuit, which is typical. The fair game doctrine, which is what many have said about what Scientology does, is that any critics of Scientology, they will go after them in any way, shape, or form they possibly can. And they call that fair game, that whether it's harassment or whatever. And so I think that happened to Lisa Remini once

she kind of came out. And then once Scientology, it seemed like potentially started going after or allegedly started going after Lisa Remini, she then sued them. And this lawsuit has been ongoing ever since. So Scientology is weird. You know, but so are so many religions. And we don't know the answer to the world and religious beliefs. But we at the very least just wanted to kind of explain on surface level what Scientology

and how maybe some of this was connected to Alistair Crowley. and Elron Hubbard, obviously. There are so many other people that are connected potentially to this as well, like Jack Parsons, NASA, you name it. A lot of the elitism in our country is in some ways connected to this. And it's funny because everybody always talks about the Jews that run and control the world. And look, there's a valid argument for people that believe that, hey, there's a lot of Jews in a very high power positions.

And that is true. But you also have to think about this as well. and this has been influential in mainstream music and Hollywood and politics for a very long time also. But no one really wants to talk about this very much. And no one really gives a shit to talk about this very often. But that's why we wanted to discuss this. And we're going to continue this series going forward. We got so many more avenues to talk about this, whether it's Jack Parsons, NASA, the connections with the CIA or government.

And then just what our beliefs are on, you know, what is actually the truth? and we don't even know, but are they so off base as far as their actual beliefs? We're not talking about how they structure their religion or their corporation and kind of what it is. But, you know, even with the interdimensionality stuff of it, the UFOs, the aliens, all of this stuff. This is what we've talked about for a very long time. And the more you start actually research in Scientology, you're like, shit, this is what they believe. Mormons kind of believe some aspect of, I guess you can say the alien slash interdimensional side of this and especially the

Book of Enoch. So we'll talk more about this going forward. But I think that's going to be it, Sherry, for tonight. We could keep going forever. But we are probably going to end this here. Guys, thank you for listening to another episode. And it is a Saturday night. It is February the 22nd.

And as I said before, the name of this song is looking for you by first timer. Until next time. Peace out. Peace out, guys.