Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Lindsay Clancy Trial: Postpartum Psychosis or Murder? The Full Story

Episode Date: August 21, 2026

In this episode of Investigate Earth, we break down the Lindsay Clancy case and the disturbing questions at the center of her murder trial. Lindsay is accused of killing her three young children in January 2023, but the case has become a major battle over postpartum psychosis, psychiatric medications, mental illness and criminal responsibility.We go through Lindsay's mental-health history, the medications she was prescribed, the warning signs leading up to the deaths, the prosecution's case and the defense's argument that she was suffering from severe postpartum psychosis. We also examine the courtroom testimony, the SSRI and medication questions, and the evidence both sides are using to explain what happened inside the Clancy home.Our Merch Store

Hello, I'd fall asleep and not dream about you. I hate to admit it. I'm out of ideas. I don't know what to do. Most of the times I think I'll make it through. It's this one image of you and it's chival. Hello and welcome to Investigator's podcast. I'm your host chat alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry.

Tonight, we're diving into the Lindsay Clancy case, one of the most complicated and controversial murder trials happening right now. And Lindsay is accused of killing her three young children inside their Massachusetts home in January of 2023. But this case goes much deeper than what happened that night. In the months leading up to it, Lindsay was struggling with serious mental health issues, seeing multiple providers, and being prescribed numerous psychiatric medications. Today, we're going to break down the backstory what happened to these three children and the battle playing out in court over whether Lindsay Clancy was cramly responsible for what she did.

Guys, welcome to the show. It is August the 20th, 20th, 206. The name of the song is Shivers by Loving Calibber. And we play this song usually when there is something horrific that happens and someone is missing someone. And there obviously is three young children that have lost their life potentially at the hands of Lindsay Clancy or someone. And this is obviously a very controversial case. there are people on both sides of defense, even when I go on Facebook, even though I really have not researched this a ton until recently because we were going to do this episode.

But nonetheless, when you go on Facebook or X or anywhere else and it starts recognizing that, hey, you've been looking up to Lindsay Clancy trial. So then I'll get feeds from both people. I'll get feeds from one side that says, hey, Lindsay Clancy didn't do it. We think it was her husband. Or even sympathetic people that are sympathetic to her because of all the medications, a system failing her. You know, maybe she just was whacked out of her mind because of the medication she was on. And so people sympathize with that.

And then there's obviously also the other side of it where it is people that are 100% anti-Lindsay. Right. She's a premeditated. Premeditated horrendous murderer psychopath, one of the worst that we've ever seen, especially the way it happened. And so there are definitely like two or three camps in all of this. And what we're going to do tonight is we're going to break down a, a little bit of the case. We're obviously not going to go through the entirety of the case,

but we are going to, at the very least, talk about what is, I believe, the most important part of this case, whether or not you agree or disagree, whether or not you believe Lindsay Clancy did it or didn't do it. We're going to at least tell you what our thoughts are. And we've actually had this conversation a little bit before on the podcast. And so that's why this thing, when I heard about it, and then I was specifically listening to this one day of trial,

where I believe it was the defense attorney. and he was specifically talking about Lindsay Clancy's medication history. And so they went down a pretty long road about when she was prescribed, what she was prescribed, what happened after and before her life before that and all that. I'm going to explain all of that to you guys. But it also goes back to, like I said, my, I guess teenage years when, you know, after the age of 11 or 12 and I, you know, it was a tumultuous childhood for sure. And I was getting anxiety a little bit and depression like any kid would do, obviously, in a household that is fighting and you can't sleep because of that.

And or you worry about your mom, right? I mean, that was something that I, I think was the most of my anxiety was coming from not me necessarily, but I was worried about my mom. I was worried about like, what am I going to wake up to? Is this going to be a situation to where I find my mom dead one day, honestly? Like, that's what I thought. and there were occasions in my childhood, especially when I was young, like six, seven, eight, nine, where I had seen some horrific stuff, like things that I thought was that night was going to be my mom's last night on earth.

And so when you're seeing that stuff at seven, eight, nine years old, obviously that affects you when you get older. So, you know, with all of that being said, I was then put on medication in like 12 or 13 or whatever. They started experimenting is what I call it. I mean, I think they were experimenting with me. and I've explained this before and I'm not going to completely go back into detail. I might go into certain details as we get through this.

But what I can tell you is no matter how depressed I was at a time or whatever, I never had the serious thought about killing myself until I got on medication. And the other part about that is too is like, Jerry, I promise I'm going to let you talk in a second. Sorry. Oh, you're good. But the other part about that is too is that there I, besides the whole killing my self thing. I had also had thoughts that were negatively, very negative towards my dad at that time.

Like as far as like I might either kill myself or him or both, actually. I mean, that was, that was a thought process. And there was no way I would have thought that. I mean, of course, if you see your dad doing certain things, you're like, damn, I wish that, you know, I just wish he would, I wish he would just die. Right. Right. But there was a difference in after the medications, I started thinking of like ways and like I could do this. And then I could just kill myself because I'm sick of this shit. Like I'm just tired of it. So the only thing I could ever attribute that to is my medication.

And it actually even after I got off the medication, which was, you know, like 17 or 18 years old, I really think that it affected my mindset for years after that. Well, the thing is with all these SSRIs, all these antidepressant medicines, anxiety medicines right in the side effects, it says suicidal tendencies. Yeah. So why are doctors putting on, putting people on medication when they're already depressed and have anxiety that could cause them to have suicidal thoughts? Wouldn't you think that they would want to go and change the side effects of these medicines

before putting people on them? Yeah. Because in my opinion, in this case, I think this is exactly what happened to Lindsay Clancy. If she was indeed the one that murdered her children. And like you said in the beginning of this podcast, Chad, though true victims are the three babies. They are the victims. They will never have another birthday party. They will never get married.

They will never have any of the whatever Lindsay still has today. She is alive, although she wanted to be dead. She tried if it was her that was attempting to kill herself or attempting suicide. She tried very hard at it. She tried it in three different ways. she, number one, crushed a bunch of medication. Sorry, I thought you were talking about like what happened to her. Not talking about how she tried to commit suicide.

There was three ways she tried it that night. She crushed a bunch of medicine, put it in a drink, a Gatorade or a lemonade, tried to chug that stuff because I guess it goes into your system faster. She took a kitchen knife that was pretty huge and she slashed herself enough to have pools of blood on the floor. Now, the problem I have with the prosecution is they're saying, they were like almost superficial wounds they weren't deep enough and they weren't deep enough if you really wanted to kill yourself you would have done it deeper the neck wound it didn't have to have stitches but her wrist wounds they did have to stitch them up they were three centimeters deep I mean that is thick enough and you think about trying to cut yourself you know and also she cut

herself going across instead of down I know that even going down that's really going to kill you Yeah. But, I mean, she went deep enough that she had to have stitches. And when that didn't work and she had the pool of blood everywhere and she was probably already out of her mind from the medicine that she was taking and then drinking the medicine on top of it, she moves the bed out of the way of the window, opens the window and dives out like Superman head first. Yeah, which is what really eventually really screwed her up.

Yeah. And that's what paralyzed her. Yeah. But I'm just saying, I don't even know where I went with that. but it's just the medicines. Yeah, yeah. And that's the thing. Like, you know, either you stop taking medicine, you're on too much medicine, you're on

the wrong combination of medicine. And all of these things could potentially happen. And especially if you mix them with alcohol or you mix them with other drugs, there's all kinds of ways that medicine can absolutely screw you up. And I've studied a lot of this medication stuff, SSRI stuff, because number one, what happened to me. Number two, I think it is truly one of, in a lot of cases, one of the biggest factors for a lot of the heinous crimes we see in America today. And especially if you look at, you know, mass shootings,

especially with young white males. If you look at like, I think it's like 80% of or 80 or 90% of the cases of the mass shooters, you will see that they have a history of SSRIs or at the very least, they had either just got on them or just got off of them. And it's typically one of those. It's not like a stabilized system or a person. And, you know, you have to think when you're taking medications that is supposed to either enhance your mood or at least stabilize your mood. Think about what happens if it does the opposite, right? Which is, you know, it literally completely does the, it's just like, it's just like some people can take penicillin and some people cannot.

They're allergic to it. Yeah. And in some cases, maybe SSRIs literally do the opposite for someone's mind than what is supposed to do. And that is absolutely very possible. It has been seen in clinical trials where they would give it to certain people. It literally did the opposite of what they were hoping for it to do. But instead of stopping the medication, they just did whatever they could to make sure it was pushed out because guess what?

It's a trillion dollar company. That's big pharma. Yeah. Yeah. Big pharma is huge. And even like we've talked about this too, Sherry, with you being a teacher for 24 years, you know, I just remember. And I mean, obviously, I was a kid or even growing up, but I just don't remember kids back in a day on the medications that they're on today. And it's like if you're a hyper kid now, they put you on medication.

if you are too playful or you talk too much or any of these things that was normal back in a day for kids because you were kids, now they medicate you for it. But I don't think kids are the same as when you went to school, Chad. I think they're completely different. I think the foods that we eat, you know, the things they put in our foods, the vaccinations, the way that our lives are today versus when you grew up are way different. Because when I first started teaching or even when I was in school, Chad, we sat at. a desk and we sat facing our teacher and we did not say anything. We only raised our hand. We didn't get out of our seat. We didn't have any misbehavior. There was no kids that misbehaved back then. But have you ever thought about this too, though? You do realize, though, that kids nowadays,

you know, you got to remember when like the SSRI train started, which was like I said, when I was a kid. That was really when the antidepressants really started. It was when it was being mass marketed on television and radio everywhere. And that was. when I was a kid, when I was growing up, and there were definitely some before me and before my time, which was mostly like tranquilizer type stuff back in the day, like in the 70s and 80s, you know, quailudes or various things you could get. But the actual SSR mood stabilizers really came around in like the late 1990s or mid-1990s, like the Zoloft craze and all of this.

But you have to remember that all of those parents, people like me, people in my age, people five or six years older than me, all of the kids that they have had while they have been on those medications, they have these kids, which basically gets addicted to the medications within their mother's womb. And then when they get out of the womb, it's like their brain shuts off because now they no longer are receiving the medication just like you would be if you get off your medication. And then what I think potentially it can be doing is screwing up their minds from the womb. You know, it's just like the COVID vaccine where we're now finding out that that new study that just came out, 80% of mothers that had taken two shots or more of the vaccine

had an 80% chance of abortion. I mean, a miscarriage. And so medications are things that when you go to the doctor, you think, well, it's a doctor. So he's got to know what the deal is. But you have to understand that all those little people that go in and out of the doctor's office every single day, and they incentivize these doctors to prescribe these medications. And then also on top of that, not only incentivizations, if that's a sense, even a word, but not only that, they give bonuses, vacations, and then they force or not forced

necessarily, but they pressure these doctors into prescribing certain medications. This is going to be our new protocol. Oh, Zolov's the new thing. Well, we're going to prescribe that to everyone. And if that's not a thing, then we've got to go to Plan B or Plan C. And in this era, especially where all of these doctors have left private practice, they are now in major hospital systems. These major hospital systems have what's called a standard of care. that standard of care is going to tell the doctor basically you do this for this. If you don't do this, then you might not be with us anymore. And you might even lose your medical's license.

And so doctors are like, well, I can't not do this because then if I do this other thing and it doesn't work out, I am screwed. The hospital is not going to have my back and I'm going to get sued, right? And so doctors also have a protection, though, as long as the hospital system is saying, this is our standard of protocol and you are doing what the standard of protocol is, then you don't have to worry about my. practice as much the hospital system does, but not you as a doctor. And I think that's, you know, it's no longer, doctors are no longer about private practice and doing what they think for their

patient. They're more about what the standard of care is based on their conglomerate elites that are telling them whatever it is above them to do. We saw it during COVID. We've seen it with SSRIs. And I think that regardless of whether you think Lindsay Clancy is guilty or not, I think that at the very least, I think medical intervention is what potentially caused or led to the death of her kids, if it was her. I agree. And going back just for a second from the classroom when I was a teacher from the beginning to the end, children are a lot different than when I first started teaching.

There is no doubt in my mind. There is something chemically imbalanced in a lot of children's minds now that they have to be medicated. I don't think it's that we're necessarily over-medicating them because I'm just telling you, in my shoes, you would not believe how education has changed just in the 26 years that I was a teacher. And by the end, not only did I have all these kids, not all, I mean, it wasn't all of them. We still have the same typical students in our class, but there are so many of them

with behavior interventions. Oh, I've seen them. Autistic, you know, IEPs, all kinds of different specialized care for these children because there's something chemically off. And then I also wanted to mention, too, in Lindsay's case, and I think what you're talking about with the system, I think the problem with Lindsay is when she gave birth to Callan, after she gave birth, she had postparton. Yeah.

She was very depressed. She was crying. She could not stop crying. And she couldn't understand why she was so depressed when she has this newborn baby that she's so very much loved and wanted. And after, you know, a couple of months of crying. and being just in despair, she went to her doctor and asked for medication. They gave her Zoloft.

Well, then she started taking the Zoloft and that didn't work. She got worse. So they up the dose. But this was my key. I know you're going to get into it in a minute chat. I'm going to tell the whole backstory so everybody knows for sure. I just want to tell this is a key for me that I think is wrong with our health care system is because Lindsay started out with one doctor.

And then if she's transferred to another doctor or another doctor or another. facility or another place, these doctors are not corresponding and being on her care team. It's like, okay, I'm signing you off to this doctor. See you later. I don't care about you anymore. And the doctors and the providers and the health systems are not being a team player in her care once they transfer her away. Yeah. No, I agree. So I'll let you get into the actual evidence in all the medicine. But I just think that is a very important part of why the system is failing people with mental health issues. No, I agree with that 100%. I've seen that in my own situation and your situation. And I mean, that's just the way the health care system is nowadays, unfortunately.

But so before we get into what's happening in the courtroom kind of over the past week or so, I think we need to go all the way back and explain who Lindsay Clancy was because I think that's important. What does family look like before any of this happened, right? And so how did we get to January 24th of 2023 is the question? because if all you know about the case is obviously the headlines you're seeing and everything we're talking about right now Massachusetts mother accused of killing her three children you're kind of missing the most important part of the entire story and it was which is what we've been talking about and Lindsay was a labor and delivery nurse she was married to Patrick Clancy and they lived in

Duxbury Massachusetts which is a pretty quiet community south of boston they had three children cora their oldest daughter was five Dawson was three and their youngest callan was still a baby. He was only about eight months old when all this happened. And so by basically everybody's account, including Patrick's, this was not a household where Lindsay had some long history of abusing these kids or being violent towards them. She wasn't abusive mother. She wasn't a crazy mother. She wasn't someone that maybe you would have met before and be like, wow, that mom's kind of crazy. You know, she was a typical great mother to her kids, a great wife to her husband. I think she was over the top mother. Like she was the mom that got on the floor and played with our kids.

She did art projects with them. She built snowmen with them. You know, a lot of parents, I hate to say it these days, they give them iPads and say, go watch this show. Yeah. Go play this game. And that's their babysitter. But she actually didn't do that. She was totally hands-on with her children.

And that's all she wanted for her whole life was to be a mother. And she so loved those children. That is ridiculous. Yeah, absolutely. And Patrick, you know, as you're talking about, he described her as a love and mother. people who knew the family described the woman who was very involved with their kids as we're talking about. He himself testified that before this mental health crisis, he had never seen Lindsay be a violent person in any way, shape, or form whatsoever. And then after Callum was born, as Sherry was

saying, in May of 2022, things started to change. And so by the fall of 2022, Lindsay starts struggling badly with anxiety, depression, insomnia, and this overwhelming feeling that something is wrong with her. She couldn't get it out of her system. And, guys, this is something that happens a lot more than I think most people understand is postpartum. And it literally can change a woman for the better, but it can also make them in some cases go crazy. I mean, literally crazy.

It's something about, I don't know if it's a hormonal change. It's the hormones. You think about your whole body has been engulfed with a being growing inside of you for nine months. And then it's discharged. And your hormones are like, what the hell just happened to be? Well, it's the same thing with women in menopause. I mean, you know, when you go through menopause,

this woman, things change. I'm laughing because Chad thinks I'm doing that now. I'm just saying. But when you go through menopause, some women are really crazy. Some women are not like you don't barely notice a difference, but it just all depends. It depends on the hormonal fluctuations. You know, because for some women, like if you have a steady baseline hormone and, you know, your hormones, your estrogen and all these levels are pretty steady after and throughout

menopause, it doesn't completely drop off a cliff and it just is more a gradual thing is easier for some women to deal with. But, you know, when you have certain situations where women, women's bodies are different. So is everybody's body. But some people deal differently. And for her, it seemed like for whatever reason, after Callum, this is what really triggered her start of her decline into this mental health crisis. Yeah. And also, too, remember, she had two other children prior to Callan.

And she did not go through any kind of postpartum depression with the other two children. So I think it has to do with the type of. of pregnancy she had as well. Well, you know, they say that one of the major triggers that appeared to have been starting this is, was her approaching her, I guess, returned back to work, right? She was very anxious about it. Yeah, she was going to go back to work after maternity leave. And then not long after that, she starts seeking psychiatric help.

And this is where the story kind of gets complicated, right? So because over roughly four months, Lindsay was prescribed 13 different psychiatric medications by a number of different providers. there were more than 30 prescriptions written during that period. So that's, I mean, that is a very short period of time, four months, 30 different prescriptions. And I got to say, like I had told you about my time when all that shit was going on. It wasn't probably four months.

It was probably over the course of two years maybe. But I was probably on 30 or 40 different medications in that time frame. And like I said, I felt like I was going crazy. And that alone will screw you up when you're changing medications constantly. Yeah. And like I said, we're talking about antidepressants. anti-anxiety medications, sleep medications, antipsychotics, and mood stabilizers. Those are all four different categories, and they were given her all of those things.

You know, some of those could make you tired. Some of those could stabilize your mood. Some of those could stop a panic attack immediately. And all of these things also can be addicting. Some of these are physically dependency-addicting type of medications. If you quit taking them, you're going to feel dizzy. You're going to feel like you're going to have, in some cases, it can make people off seizures. It can kill you.

It can send you into psychotic episodes or schizophrenia. There's also been cases of people that have been on various medications that have somehow gotten schizophrenia after the fact because of whatever the hell it did their brain, which if Lindsay did this, I have a feeling that she had some type of schizophrenia that developed from all of this. And maybe a chemically induced schizophrenia, which is actually a thing. But either way, and I want to be careful because, you know, and I've said this before. simply taking these medications is not making, does not mean you're going to be violent or crazy or schizophrenic. It's just, and there are literally millions of people that take these every single day. The question is, though, is what was happened specifically to Lindsay, whether she was properly

diagnosed, whether these medications were being managed, which is what we had talked about a minute ago, and whether the doctors were actually recognizing how severely deteriorating her condition was becoming over this four months. And as we had talked about, when you get signed off by various healthcare providers and you're getting worse and each healthcare provider does not talk or communicate with the previous, then you then go to a new health care provider. Whatever you are then is the baseline. And so they don't necessarily think you're getting worse.

They just say, hey, well, we're going to give you this. We need to up this or we need to put you on something else. And then it just literally cycles you into a very bad situation. She was prescribed Zoloft, which is what I talked about on the episode not long ago. That was one of, that was the medication that I was on when everything went downhill for me. That was when I was wanting to kill myself. That was when I was potentially wanting to kill other people. And the interesting thing about it was is that this, I think Zoloft was fairly new at this time.

And when Zoloft was being prescribed at that time in my life, that was back in 1990s, there was like, eventually there was a story. that came out from some news agency, and it was on television that there were all of these just sudden suicides of teenagers. These teenagers were killing themselves right and left. And so then, you know, the pharmaceutical company was pushing back basically trying to say that this was, you know, the era of whatever to hell their excuse was. The reality of it was is that you look at most cases of this.

A lot of these teenagers were on Zoloft. And so then they tried to say, well, okay, well, we're not going to prescribe Zoloft to kids because we think maybe it's because their brain hasn't fully developed and that's why the Zoloft is doing something different. But so they started to kind of wean off a lot of the kids on Zoloft. I think kids nowadays are prescribed it again because supposedly they have a new formula. But regardless of the fact that there are still many people and potentially Lindsay Clancy that suffered from the side effects of Zoloft mentally, the psychotic side effects.

And so according to testimony and court filings, when the dose was, was increased Lindsay reportedly worsening anxiety, racing thoughts, and fears that she might become suicidal. And by the way, so when it says that she started to have anxiety about racing thoughts that she was about to become suicidal, meaning that her own body inside of herself was fighting this medication saying, hey, we're about to get suicidal here. And that was what was causing her anxiety. It was her body's fight or flight mechanism saying, hey, like it was a, it was a fight or flight mechanism

saying, hey, like, it was almost going in survival mode because it knew that there was a chemical taken over that was about to not give a shit whether you kill yourself or not. And that was likely where the anxiety was coming from because, you know, she's like, hey, I had anxiety that I literally wanted to kill myself. And I don't understand why this is happening. And I think the original anxiety came from her not ready to go back to work and leave her baby. Yeah. And then she had anxiety when she started getting these.

thoughts and then she also had anxiety when she felt nothing. Yeah. Because a lot of these medicines will do that. They make you feel nothing. You have no feelings. Yeah, I agree with that. Well, so then she was told to quit taking the Zoloft. And then she was given atavan, then Busporen or Bosporan.

I took Bustporn. I've never, well, I've done Adavan before, but Bustpar is what I used to call it. That is a mood stabilizer. Zoloft, but it's a different kind of family of that. Because I literally remember when I got off Zoloft, they gave me bus bar. I remember specifically. That was what they gave me. And I never really took Atavans or any of those like anxiety because Ativan is an anxiety

medication. It's supposed to chill you out and calm me down. It does too, boy. Yeah. I still love some Atavan because when you are really upset, you just pop it out of in and I can't, you know, doctors don't even prescribe them anymore. Yeah. Even if you need them, but I never felt addicted to Atavan.

But if I was like really upset or if I was even pissed off at you, Chad, if I popped one of those and it was like a five milligram adivan, it just chilled me out. And I was like no longer so upset about it. I was still upset, but not to the point where I was going to go crazy. Well, damn, let's get those adibans back in the house. I was kidding. She was also prescribed tracidone because she wasn't sleeping. My mom's on trazidone. My mom cannot sleep without it.

And she's been on it for years. And that's a thing. I've never taken it. don't. I mean, it's, you know, it's like a, it's like a very low dose sedative, I guess you can call it. It's kind of like a low dose of Ambien, isn't it? Because she was literally going three nights without any sleep. And you know how it feels when you even go one night without sleep. Yeah, it sucks.

You are, like, it feels worse than a hangover. Yeah, it does. It's terrible feeling. Well, I've told you that a million times. I'd rather be hung over than no sleep, like by far. Because, yeah, hangover sucks, but like sleep really sucks because your body. he's just like, oh my God, like I don't want to do this. And then imagine dealing with three basically toddlers on top of that of having no sleep.

Yeah. I mean, I'm sure she was going crazy. Well, so then by the middle of November, there were reports that she was sleeping only about three hours a night, which is, you know, I've been getting about that amount of sleep recently. Then she was on Prozac. Then she was on Ambien. Then Rimran, Rimran, then Clonapin.

Also, a friend of mine in high school senior year, killed himself. and he was also taking Clonopin. They actually found it in his drink, which was weird because that was a very strange thing. It's like he was a star athlete, the whole thing. And a good friend of mine, and he killed himself. He hung himself in the basement. And it was strange because it was like, dude, he had everything going for him, a college scholarship, football, the whole deal. And then he killed himself.

Now, like I said, they found it in his drink, which was the strange thing about it, Clonipin. That is kind of weird. Yeah, that was weird. Well, I don't know if you remember that I was. was on kalanapin at one time. And, you know, I kept going higher and higher on the doses because I didn't feel like I was working. And then one day I went back to the doctor to get another prescription. I was like, I need some more colanapin. He's like, Sherry, I'm going to give you, you know, this prescription this one time and you're going to have to get off of it because I don't

feel like it is a, um, a chemical imbalance in your brain. I feel like it's, you know, due to the relationships you have and that you need to seek counseling. Relations. What do you mean? Well, just all the relationships. What do you mean by that exactly? I'm just saying like all the stresses at school and, you know, it was the external things that were happening. It was not necessarily a chemical imbalance in my brain.

It was just the way I was dealing with external things, I guess, is what he was trying to say. My point being is he's like, I'm going to give you one more prescription. Well, I took my clonipin. And then once it was gone, I was like, oh, crap. And he didn't give me anymore. And then I remember that. And then I had to cold turkey off of it. And we were looking at houses with the McCray guy or whatever, McCraugh.

Yeah, well, you don't get to say his name. Yeah. But anyways, we're looking at houses and I was so sick. I could not even get out of the car trying to get off of that stuff. Yeah. No, I do remember that. Yeah, it's nasty stuff. And then they gave her also Syracul, right?

So. And then according to litigation surrounding her treatment, Lindsay was telling people that she felt spacey, disoriented, forgetful, disconnected from our own body. Absolutely that can happen. I remember there was one medication I was on at one point in time and I had been taking it. Well, first of all, I OD'd on one medication. I was, I hemorrhaged from my pores in my skin had to be taken to the hospital emergency. I don't even remember what that. I think it was doxifen if I'm not if I'm remembering that correctly. And then anyway, so they put me on another medication and then I felt like had butterflies in my skin for like four

days. I could not sleep. I mean, I literally felt like if you've ever had butterflies in your stomach, if you ever fell and like had that butterfly fill in your stomach, I had it in my arms. I had it in my head and my face, my legs, everything. And it was the worst, most horrific feeling I had ever felt and it did not go away for like three or four days. I couldn't sleep, nothing. So this is the stuff, this is the type of shit this stuff can do. And listen, I understand. There are people that it absolutely does work for. And so I'm not saying that like, if you're taking it, get off of it. It's bad. get off it. I mean, I'm on medicine right now. I mean, I'm on Symbolta. And I think it does stabilize my mood. I think I still have feelings because of like the dosage I'm on. I still

get happy and sad and angry. I mean, I still have emotions. So I think it does kind of just stabilize my mood. But I'm telling you, and chat can verify this, if I take my medicine in the morning, if I've not taken my medicine by 4 p.m. that afternoon, I know. I start feeling dizzy. I feel lightheaded. And then if I go two days, just like three weeks ago, I ran out of the prescription. And I had to go two days without that stuff. I was in the bed sick. Oh, yeah.

I mean, and my head was pounding. I was almost at to the point where I felt like I could start hallucinating just after two days. So imagine what this girl is going on through all these transfers. Well, she's got postpartum. Yes, all of it. 30 different medications in four months and various doctors, you name it. And, you know, when. she started, like I said, when she started telling people that she was disoriented or

forgetful or she felt disconnected. Because you are, by the way, you are disconnected from your body in that particular case. You feel like you're out of reality. You feel like you're looking in from outside of yourself. Right. And so this is kind of where the timeline for her started getting pretty dark. And by December, Lindsay isn't just saying, hey, I'm anxious. I get anxiety.

I'm depressed. Now she isn't, you know, and by the way, she also isn't saying I just can't sleep. You know, she's not saying any of that stuff. she begins experiencing suicidal thoughts and intrusive thoughts about harming her children, she started saying. She started filling this way. And she expressed this to her family members. Yeah.

So on December 1st, according to court filing, she reported intrusive thoughts about harming herself and harming the children. There was obviously even discussions with one provider about whether she might have an undiagnosed bipolar disorder is what she was saying. And so there are allegations in the civil lawsuits that by the middle of December, Lindsay was experiencing auditory hallucinations and paranoid thinking. Auditory meaning she's hearing voices. And if I'm not mistaken, when you hear voices, when it's called auditory hallucinations,

it's not, it's internal. No, I think it's external. If I'm not mistaken. They went over this in the court case and now I can't remember. Yeah, I think it's external. difference between internal internal yeah like thoughts like yeah whatever and then when you think you're actually hearing outside and then the voices yeah and i've heard that too back in a day as well um she reportedly believed that people might be able to hear her thoughts right and she was afraid

her teachers yeah she was afraid that she would be locked in a hospital and that somebody would take her children away that was what she was afraid about and her mother uh has now testified during the trial that lindsay told the family she was having thoughts about harm in the children and believe the medication was destroying her mind. And here's something else that's pretty important, that this wasn't a situation where, according to the defense, Lindsay was quietly deteriorating and nobody knew that she needed help.

Everybody knew that she needed help. She was actively seeking help. She went into emergency department. She saw a psychiatrist. She saw nurse practitioners and she saw therapists. She contacted crisis services. You had to remember she was a nurse at the time, a neonatal nurse or whatever.

Exactly. Her husband was involved. her mother was involved. Patrick has said that they were essentially asking doctors what is happening to her. What is going on? Like there's something going on. She is absolutely deteriorating. This is not who the hell she is.

Something massively is going on. And, you know, honestly, like even in those cases, I don't know what they did, like what test they ran. But there has been cases like that before to where people start going crazy and no one can figure out why. And there are various things. One of those things actually is tumors on the brain. that can cause certain things to happen.

Like when someone develops a tumor in the brain and their mood starts rapidly changing and all these things. Tumors can do that based on the growth in the brain. The part of the brain is pressing on or affecting. There's all these things that can happen. But it sounds like that not a lot was done or not a lot of testing was done primarily, especially when the doctor or emergency room or whoever. And this was something that happened to me as well.

When you would go to a doctor emergency room, because I used to, there was a few times. I went to the emergency room when I was young because I was having such bad anxiety. I felt like I was dying. I didn't know what was going on or what was wrong with me. And every time you go to the hospital emergency or doctors, they're like, well, just give them pills and take them, you know, send them home. See you later. It's anxiety. It's panic attack.

There's nothing wrong with you. Get a grip, basically, and move on. And so, you know, it's never a treatment plan. It's never like, hey, let's figure out what the baseline of this is, when did this start? How did it start? and honestly if there were doctors that probably would have actually gave a shit, you know, gave her probably more time than 10 minutes in a doctor's room office, which is the way that the hospital and healthcare system is today. You know, if you get a doctor's appointment, you know, number one, if you call for a doctor's appointment tomorrow, and especially in our area, it might be two, three, four weeks, sometimes longer, especially if you need a specialist. That was like life-saving type specialist.

So I was lucky not long ago for my stomach stuff. But either way, in most cases, it's a very long wait. And then when you finally get there, especially if you're in someone's case like Lindsey Clancy, when all of this shit happens, imagine everything that we've talked about so far happening to her. And then she goes into a doctor's office and has to explain this shit in 10 minutes. And then, you know, he has basically like two minutes to make a decision what he should do for this woman that has had months of turmoil and hell that is,

her life is completely spiraling. And so now you're supposed to explain this in 10 minutes max. Right. And he's got to make a decision on how to treat you in two minutes. And then he prescribes whatever it is and you're on your way. You leave the doctor's office. You go back to your normal life or unnormal life at this point. And you have to deal with it on your own and hope to God that whatever he just did,

which most of the time is going to, it's not going to help. Right. And a lot of times they say, well, you know, this is not going to take effect for at least two weeks to a month. So now you're on this. and it's kind of the same thing with your stomach, you know, it's not going to affect you immediately. Immediately. It takes time for these things to release to change those chemical imbalances. And so you're waiting for this two month to, I mean, two week to one month episode to see if it's even going to work.

Yeah. Well, and, you know, that's the thing. And I want to make something clear as well on the show that we're not taken up for Lindsay Clancy. We're simply saying that obviously something went wrong. Now, could she have just been crazy? Absolutely. I think she went crazy. I think that's what we're talking about.

Has she always been crazy? Apparently not because none of her friends, none of her family, even her husband, you know, that lost his kids as well. Yeah. Said she was a perfect mother. Yeah. So the point to this is that obviously is devastating and traumatic that these kids are gone because of potentially Lindsay Clancy, if it was her.

And we'll talk a little bit about the possibility that it wasn't her later, even though I, the more I've kind of, the more I looked at this. this early this afternoon, the more I think it probably was her, only because, like, there is video that is out now on social media. I don't know if you've seen it where he's literally in a drugstore talking to her during the time. Oh, I know all about that. And I can probably debate you on that. Okay.

Well, I don't know. I mean, I don't know enough about it to say that for sure it was her. I'm just saying that that's what they're using to try to say, look, it was definitely her because the timestamps, he was talking to her when she was at home. Yeah. Yeah. And they showed this all in the trial as well. Yeah.

So then on December 20th, she went to Massachusetts General Hospital. and then entered a program at women and infants hospital in Rhode Island that dealt with postpartum mental health. And so according to records and subsequent lawsuits, there were disagreements over exactly what Lindsay was suffering from. One assessment concluded her problems may have been more related to medication and misdiagnosis and that the postpartum program wasn't appropriate for her. Then on January 1st, 2023, Lindsay checked herself into McLean Hospital, one of the best-known

psychiatric hospitals in the country. Five days later, she was discharged. And this is less than three. Three weeks before her children would die or she killed him. Whoever killed him. This was three weeks before this. When she went into the infancy program, they basically said that it was not a right fit and kicked her out because she was overmedicated is what they said. And they said, you have to get off the Seraquil before you can come into our program.

You have too many medicines in you and this is not the program for you. Yeah. Look, if we're actually going to work with your brain, you can't be on none of this shit because it's going to screw you up. That's basically what they said. They turned her away. And so then she went to the psych psychiatric. Yes. Thank you.

Hospital. And she spent about five days and she went on her own recogynsons. Yeah. Go ahead. Keep going. Go ahead. She went there on her own. Yes.

Recognizance. Yes. And she did leave a day early because it was her oldest daughter's birthday. And she wanted it to plan the birthday party. Yeah. But they didn't, she didn't leave. against doctors advice. They said it was okay that she,

they felt like she was good to go. Yeah. So all that, you know, she gets kicked out and, you know, even the McLean Hospital, she was discharged five days later. So now we're about January 233. And this is one of the reasons that this trial was so fascinating and pretty difficult, right?

Because depending on which side you're listening to, the exact same period of time tells two completely different stories. Now, the prosecution says Lindsay was mentally ill. Yes, but she's still. knew right from wrong and that's what they said she's still knew right from wrong guys she's mentally ill but she absolutely knew right from wrong in this particular case they point out that she was functioning she was texting normally she was caring for her children she could make appointments she could search things online she could plan activities and on january 24th the day that the children died

there were moments that looked almost unbelievably normal they say she took one of the children's to the doctor's appointment the family played outside in the snow there are photographs from that day Later, Lindsay suggested that Patrick go pick up dinner from a restaurant and also stop at a pharmacy. So Patrick left the house and prosecutors say that wasn't an accident. Their theory is that Lindsay deliberately created a window of time where she would be alone with the children. And they were introduced evidence that she checked how long the trip would take and argue that what happened next was completely planned. The defense tells a completely different story, though. Kevin Reddington and Lindsay's attorney say, you're looking at a woman who has.

been deteriorating for months who had been bounced basically between doctors, prescribed medication, after medication, complained about suicidal thoughts, intrusive thoughts, hallucinations, hospitalized herself, looking for help, and ultimately descended into postpartum psychosis. And that's really the battle in this whole trial. Now, whether Lindsay caused the deaths, or not whether she caused the deaths, I guess, even though there are some people that believe that, yes, she did cause a death. But there are people that believe she didn't, right?

And that's a whole other thing. But her defense does not dispute necessarily that she even didn't kill the kids. Right. They've not really disputed that. Like, that's not something they have presented evidence for on the contrary. Keep in mind. But in pre-trial hearings, when they asked her how she pled, she could have just pled guilty. She pled not guilty.

Yeah. Well, I mean, but there's a lot of guilty people that plead not guilty, right? Yeah, I know. But if it were because she was mentally ill, and she's saying, well, I'm going to plead guilty because I was mentally ill. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. No, I get it.

But I mean, and that's a possibility, though. You have to remember that, right? And this whole battle really is over. And that's the thing. There's 100% about it online whether or not she did it or not. There are people that believe she didn't. There are people that are trying to blame her husband. But just in all honesty, her defense is not arguing she didn't do it.

So I want to make that clear. But they're not arguing. that she did do it either. Okay, but even still, they, they're not bringing in evidence that it's someone else. You know, and that's just the thing. Like, well, they are in a way, though. They're cracking holes into the case to make the jury suspect it's somebody else. Yeah, I get that.

And that's the thing, too. It's like when we talked about the Tyler Robinson, uh, Charlie Kirk whole thing with Candace Owen's debate and Andrew Wilson, I think Andrew Wilson is a retard or sorry, not retard. I think he is a, that's what he calls women. Yeah, I think he is an asshole. I don't want to say that word, but I think he's an asshole. I think that he is misogynistic, you know, cuck as they call him. And I don't even think he's that great of a debater, but the reality, like the little things that he was able to have some type of leeway is, is like, well, this is what the state has presented as evidence.

And although if Candace is saying, for example, like, it's other people, there's no evidence for that right now. Right. I mean, there are theories and there are ideas and there are things that could that could connect other people involved. But unfortunately in court, though, hearsay doesn't work, especially in an actual trial. So you could go in a court courtroom and say, well, I think it's Israel that did Charlie Kirk because of these things, right? And if you don't have substantiating backed up evidence that has been entered into evidence and it has been cleared as evidence to support that theory, then it's no longer evidence, right? it's not evidence. And so in a court of law, everything has to be evidence.

Now, if it was hearsay, if it was pretrial stuff or whatever the case is, maybe the defense team can go in there and say, well, here's all the reasons that this is not adding up

and this is who we think might have done this or whatever the case is. But unfortunately, we're in a trial. It's based on evidence for good reason too. But the big thing right now is like is the battles over her mind, right?

And, you know, when she did it, like, what was her mind like in the moment that she did it? Was she even in her right mind? And so the prosecution is saying, well, she was doing all of these very normal things in the lead up to killing her kids, right?

I mean, you know, this was a very normal thing. Yeah. And let me just stop you and ask you when you are a teenager and on these medicines, were you engaging in normal activities when you are having suicidal thoughts? Yeah. I mean, you still go about your daily life. I mean, like you're still going to probably eat something that day. It was not all, not everybody, but. Yeah, well, she lost a lot of weight too.

stopped eating. I think, I think for me, though, it was a, for that, for that moment when it happened, even though I had been getting to that point over time,

you can have mostly normal times, but then it's just one thing that breaks. It's one thing that snaps and what, like when that thing does finally reach that point, there's maybe no coming back from it. And you don't realize what you're doing. You don't give a shit. You're in rage almost.

You're in, you're in this mindset. It's just like, I have to do this because you can't stand it if, like to not do it to you know that that feeling inside of you is just like so strong that is there's nothing that's going to stop it really yeah so that's that's and that is the thing and there are many people that are suicidal or have suicidal tendencies but they're still able to go about their normal life and put a mask on and put a smile on and say yeah I'm fine I'm good but inside they're

not thinking that and they're not actually telling you that and you know as a matter of fact a lot that have lost their children due to suicide, they never saw any warning signals. They saw nothing coming. Yeah. Because it's inside of what they're thinking and they're not sharing that with their family members. With Lindsay in this case, she was sharing it with her family members. She said these things.

She said, I feel suicidal. I feel like I could harm my children. She spoke out about it. But there's a lot of people that commit suicide that don't even do that. And they go on with their normal lives. their normal routines. So I just don't think that is proving anything by, you know, beyond a reasonable doubt. And by the way, so it might sound like, and Sherry had kind of got into it with, not got into it,

she hasn't got into it yet with this person, but, you know, someone that had posted on something she had said about the defense attorney being a good defense attorney, which, by the way, he is a damn good defense attorney. And I think you can say that regardless of what happened in the case, Sherry was, Sherry's looking at it from like, hey, you know, I've watched a lot of trials. You think back to Karen Reed and Alan Jackson and how good that defense team was. And by the way, and even Murdoch. By the way, whether or not, you know, we did the Karen Reed trial.

And the reality is she might have actually 100% did what the hell they say she did. But the problem is that she had really good defense attorneys. And good defense attorneys can make a very almost clear cut case in some cases, 100% not the case. Yeah. But I think you have to, in order to convict somebody, I think on a moral standard, it has to be beyond a reasonable doubt. Yes. Because you don't want to put someone in jail forever.

You don't want to falsely convict somebody. Yeah. And it does suck too because that's one of the things that I was talking on our telegram the other day about the Charlie Kirk case. It's like, you know, I don't know what the hell the situation is with that. Do I think that there's a lot of stuff that does not add up and that they're lying to us about a lot, whether it's turning point USA, the government, both media, whatever. absolutely which means already that there's more involved in it than we know but at the same time you know it does suck because if it is the way it supposedly was happened and it was Tyler Robinson and it was because of he's just an asshole that decided one day to get a gun go up on

the Losey center and shoot Charlie Kirk because he's a piece of shit and then all of this noise around the case leading into the case may actually get him off right that's that's the bad and saddening part yeah but also the saddening part is you look at our criminal system and you look at people that are on death row, for example, or life in prison that they're imprisoned for a crime they did not commit. Oh, there's tons of those too. Yeah, absolutely. There's tons of them.

And unfortunately, you know, like you only have one life on earth and you could one day be put in that position to where you're screwed. You're done. Like the Hayden Penitera death, which now, by the way, her boyfriend has hired attorneys, which means that he knows that they're about to come after his ass. And I think they should have a full investigation about that. Yeah, which we might do an episode on that next because, you know, that happened just 20 minutes from where we live. And I grew up watching Hayden in so many shows and movies.

I mean, she, hell, she wasn't remembered of Titans as a young girl. She's been in tons of stuff. So we were kind of me and Chris were talking about that our day. We, you know, it was, you kind of grew up where she was younger than I was, but you kind of grow up watching her and all that stuff. And so it is you feel like you're a little bit attached when something like that happens. and who knows we'll talk about that next time we're not going to get on that but so when lindsey's husband was gone dawson and callon and cora were killed inside the house and that that's when it happened that is the official timeline yeah that's the official timeline the children were strangled

with exercise bans afterward lindsay attempted to take her own life by jumping from a second story window as we talked about a Patrick comes home finds lindsay outside seriously injured he eventually discovers the children in the basement. Cora and Dawson died that night. Baby Callen was transported to the hospital and placed on life support, but he died three days later. Lindsay survived the fall, but the injuries left her paralyzed and using a wheelchair. From what we also understand in the trial that she had flatlined a couple of times

leading into or when they were taking her to the hospital. That was something the prosecution was kind of also trying to argue as like she didn't really try to kill herself as kind of the way they were making it out to be. Yeah, that she spider man crawled it down. window. Yeah. Yeah. So that's not really the case because even the, I think it was the doctor or who, the idea was the doctor at the hospital said, no, she flatlined like two, two times. I mean, she was dying. She obviously was trying to kill herself. Yeah. I mean, all the multiple ways. And then there's, and then there's a whole other thing, right? So Patrick, which is the dad, the husband,

he publicly asked people to forgive Lindsay, which is on his go fund me page. Yeah, on his go fund me page. and he never pretended what happened was a horrific, but his position has been that Lindsay, the Lindsay he knew, right? The mother of his children was not the person who committed these acts. He did not know who the hell this person was. And this is something that he had also been working towards trying to find out, like what the hell is going on here.

And that's why I want to make it clear as well. Like I know there's these conspiracies and theories on one side that maybe it's, maybe it's him that did it. But the reality of it is we have no idea. All the evidence right now is a point. to her and it would be really shitty, you know, kind of like a lot of people were saying about Erica Kirk may be in complicit in Charlie Kirk's murder. But I think to a point he was complicit.

I think these. Yeah, but you don't know though because I mean, damn. I mean, but how though? What, what, I mean, was he not, was he not going to doctors with her and doing other stuff? No, he did not go to any of the doctor. He went to one appointment with her when she went to the emergency room. Every time she had these appointments, many of them were on Zoom calls that lasted 10 to 15. minutes. He was never at any of these calls. He never went to any of the

psychiatrist, none of the social worker meetings. And finally, towards the end, when they went to the last place, is when he stepped up, he's like, I got to find out what's going on with her. I'm going and I want to see you face to face. I don't want to do the Zoom call. I want to see what's going on with my wife. So no, he was not completely supportive with her mental care. And another thing is he was still going to brunch with his friends. He was leaving his children with his wife that says, I want to kill myself and I have thoughts of killing our children. He leaves her and goes to brunch, goes to skiing trips, goes on business trips, not a ton.

Was he remarried, by the way? Yes, he was remarried. How long after? I think it was two years, but there's a lot of conspiracy in that too, because three months after his children were buried, he goes to Costa Rica and goes on this hiking trip and goes on these trails and leaves this review in Costa Rica about how amazing this trail was. It's going to make you sweat. It's a great place.

And I get, you know, many times when people are upset or want to just get away from their life, they want to just go somewhere and get away, right? I get that. But there was also a coincidence that his now wife had a review at the same trail in Costa Rica. When? Three months after the children died. And he also moved to New York three months after the children died. And that's where his wife, now wife, lives.

Also, they were both in the same marathon. They weren't together, but they were both seen at the same. They had a lot of the same social kit clicks, I guess. I don't know. But there's a lot of coincidences. And you know what we say about coincidences. Yeah. No, absolutely.

It does not add up sometimes. And there's a lot more to the story that we're not even digging. into. Yeah. Well, I mean, we're just trying to kind of do a crash course of everything tonight. And by the way, he believes that mental illness is what took her from them. And he does not deny that years later. Even after divorce in this trial, I mean, he's continued to say that he believes she was profoundly

mentally ill. He doesn't understand what happened or how it happened or why it happened so fast, although, you know, I have my own thoughts. If I told you I was going to kill myself and kill Maverick, would you leave me alone? Hell not. Kill Maverick. Yeah, actually, I probably would leave you alone. Oh, don't even say that, Chad.

Well, not yourself, but if you, I'm just kidding. But you don't care about that. No, I do. I was just kidding. I was just kidding. So anyways, she pleaded not guilty as we were talking about. Her attorneys are obviously pursuing what Massachusetts calls a lack of criminal responsibility defense.

And that's important, right? In everyday language, people are going to call it insanity defense. If you claim insanity, that's what you're pursuing. And that's kind of what they're trying to prove in this case, rather than saying that, she didn't do it. Someone else may have done it. They're trying to prove that she literally was mentally insane. And if you look at the history, that's kind of true.

Yeah, they are safe. But they have not come out and said that she did this. Yeah, yeah. And if you, there are a lot of great TikToks out there that kind of explain. And when the judge came in the beginning and spoke to the jurors about what their job was as jurors, their jobs were to find if she was innocent or guilty, not guilty for being insane or guilty period, but part of it was to see if she was innocent or not. Well, and keep in mind, the prosecution says, obviously, she was mentally ill, but she's

still responsible. That's, that's kind of what both sides are fighting on. I mean, the defense, they are trying to build this case against insanity clause, right? The prosecution is saying, well, she can be mentally ill, which you would have to pretty much be mentally ill to kill your kids, but she still is responsible. And so their position is right, though, because. mental illness does not automatically mean insanity. The court does not see it that way.

And they're right about that legally. The prosecution is pursuing that as far as, look, we understand maybe she was mentally ill. The difference is that the insanity clause is different. It is a break in your mental sanity, especially suddenly. There are various things. When you get into premeditation over a period of time or any of this stuff, that can then throw out the insanity clause for a lot of various reasons, premeditation.

is one of them. You are going about your normal everyday life, but you're planning this stuff going forward. Although you may be mentally ill, this is not, I guess, in the same camp as insanity goes or, you know,

sudden insanity. But when she woke up from her coma, she didn't even know what happened. She had no memory of anything. So how is she going to say that she committed this crime when she doesn't remember? And I guess supposedly, as her memories are coming back,

you know, she might have in the hospital said, I think I killed my kids. I don't know. But I think also people out there are speculating that somebody has put that in her mind as well. And the same thing with the prosecution side. You know, she said that she heard voices talking to her, that she had to kill her kids.

But the prosecution is trying to lay it on the psychiatrist that came into her hospital room a week after because they had to get a court order. to come see her. And they're trying to say that the psychiatrist whispered in her ear and said, say you heard voices so we can get you off. But that's not, in my opinion, what happened. Well, you know, I've also heard, have you ever heard of cases, especially like in stuff when stuff like this happens?

Have you ever heard of cases like of the husband or wife? It can be both poisoning the other over a certain amount of time. And by the way, there are a lot of poisons actually from all. all the shit that you watch on TV. By the way, guys, if I ever die randomly, just from their reason. You better check your toxology report. But you better really check it because what I'm saying is all the stuff online, there are things that you can poison people with that even in toxicology is not going to come up,

especially if they're not specifically looking for certain things. Now, they can draw your blood and see various things, but there are things that can go undetected unless they're specifically testing your blood for a certain, I think mutations in some degree because of something that you have introduced into your system. There are quick shelf life type of poisons that when you poison someone, say for example, you poison me and I suddenly go downhill or maybe not even that fast, but slowly, you just start getting sick and then you're like having to go to the hospital. But then 24 hours later, you could test my blood and whatever you gave me, it's gone,

but whatever that caused is going to continue until eventually you're screwed. Well, hell. And that happens. Diabetic insulin can do that shit. And that's out of your system. Well, yeah. And it is a natural thing. So, you know, if you look at it from a blood type of sample, you're not going to necessarily

see a poison that's going to be, oh, well, his sugar was really low at this time or whatever the case is. There's tons of things that you can potentially do. Yeah. And did they investigate any of these things? Did they even investigate the husband? Because I'm just saying when there's a crime to this excessive. extent and they're just automatically going after Lindsay.

Did they investigate Patrick? Well, look, but here's it. But hold on. Wait a minute. I want to finish my thought because this is the weird thing about it, Chad. This is why it just hits me the wrong way is because when he found Lindsay out on the ground, and she's paralyzed and he's trying to ask, where are the children? And I guess she just, you know, they don't let you hear the 911 call, but it was really

hard to hear, I guess. But the only thing that she can get out of her mouth because her, her larynx thing was crushed was basement, right? So the cops are there with him as he's on 911 and as he's talking to her. And when she says basement, I guess he runs downstairs. But the window to the basement is right there. You can see in the basement where the children are laying on the floor. Okay.

So he runs to the basement and nobody goes with him. Like that scene was not secure when he went into the basement. Don't you think the police should have gone with him? him? Well, they weren't there yet, I thought. No, the police were there with him. Oh. They, okay, so Patrick finds her on the ground, on the frozen ground, right? He calls 911. He's on 911. He's staying with her. The windows right here. You can see in the window. And then there's two police officers that come from one side and the other side of the house. They both meet in the middle and the back. Well, even if he's staying with her, why would he not have went in the house and

checked on his kids, though, number one, too? Well, when he first got home from the restaurant, he said he comes in, he takes his boots off. He goes to the table. He goes to the table. puts the dinner down and the medicine from CVS for the oldest child. And he starts calling and he said the house is silent and this is not normal. So he starts calling around. I think he finally went upstairs and found that the bedroom door was locked. So at that moment, he was like something is wrong because I guess they don't ever lock their bedroom door. Most people don't, I guess.

So he gets the bedroom door unlocked. He goes in, sees the bed is moved. He sees all the blood splattered everywhere is what he says. There's blood on the floor. There's blood everywhere. He notices the bed is moved. The window is wide open. And he said he stopped and he left and he went back downstairs and went outside.

And that's when he found Lindsay. So at this time, he doesn't know where his children are or if they're dead or alive. So he calls 911. But I would have checked on her, called 911. And I definitely would have been looking where my damn kids are too. Well, he stays with her. And then he could not get on. on Wi-Fi for some reason to call 911.

It takes a few minutes to get on 911. So anyways, I think it takes four or five minutes for the cops to come. As soon as the cops get there, he dodges and goes inside. Well, that makes sense. I mean, I would have probably done the basement. But do you not think... No, but I would have done the same thing. I would have too, but do you not think as police?

No, they're caring for her at that moment. They don't know what's going on. I mean, they can't stop him necessarily right then from going in his own house. So then he goes downstairs. and he finds the first child laying on the floor face down and then the other two children were face up. And he said that they were, you know, the exercise bands were wrapped around and tied like a like a shoelace knot is how he explained it. Yeah. Not like a double knot, but a shoelace knot.

That's bad. And there's a lot of people are speculating. Okay, this is where the speculation gets kind of crazy. the um Dotson Dotson the middle child the boy okay so

they're able to kind of revive him and they get him in the paramedics take him that's the one that lasted until that night no he lasts like a day or two okay okay but this is a thing when there was testimony you can only last 10 to 15 minutes

without air without air or your heartbeat yeah or whatever especially for traumatic brain injury for prolonged. Yeah, or your heart stopping. So how in the hell, if she was laying out there for close to 30, 45 minutes, how was this kid only dead for 10 minutes?

Does that make sense to you? Well, I mean, I don't know. But it also depends on, you know, he could have been getting some air during this time. And but the lack of air predominantly probably passed him out. He could have still been getting some little bit of air, an auction in a system, enough to keep him somewhat alive. That's what it sounds like. But, yeah, I mean, if you're completely without auction for, you know, usually 10 minutes or something, you're pretty screwed.

Because they were, I mean, he was not even home within 10, 15 minutes. Yeah. That's what didn't make sense to me. I don't know. It is, it is, I mean, incredibly sad and crazy story. And that's why there is so much back and forth about this case because, like I said, regardless, these kids are dead. And that's like the most horrific part of it. Yeah, that's the worst part of it.

And I think also the really. reason why we got to talk about this, especially with someone like her, because this is not the first time something like this has happened. There has been a lot of women that have done stuff like Susan Smith. Exactly. For example, back in South Carolina and back in the day, I remember that case. And I don't think she was mentally ill. I just think she wanted a new life and a new one. Well, I don't know, but she drowned her kids basically. Friken took the minivan into the ocean and or the lake. The lake into the lake and killed them. But so essentially what I guess, the defense has to do is they got to convince the jury that her mental disease or defect

affected her ability to appreciate the wrongfulness of her conduct. So basically what they're trying to do is they're trying to fight against a criminal responsibility standard in the state of Massachusetts. And the defense is trying to say that she did not know that she was wrongful, you know, wrongful in this moment in time that she killed her kids because she had a psychiatric break. She was mentally insane at this moment. Prosecution is saying, you might be mentally ill, but we believe that you knew right from wrong. And so that's why you hear the prosecution repeatedly bringing everything back to planning. Well, you know, why did she send Patrick out?

Why was she checking travel times? Why could she have had normal conversations at the time? Why was she functioning normally hours before the killings? And their argument is those are the actions of somebody who understood what she was doing. The defense responds by saying psychosis doesn't necessarily mean somebody looks psychotic every second of the day. And I do agree with that. They point to the months of insomnia, the escalating medications, the intrusive thoughts, the suicidal thoughts, the reported hallucinations, the paranoia, the hospitalizations,

the repeated attempts to get help. And now there has been testimony that Lindsay later describing hearing a voice that commanded her to act. And a hospital chaplain who spent extensive time with Lindsay after the killing has testified that Lindsay told her about that voice numerous times. Prosecutors have challenged a testimony, including pointing out that that voice was not documented in the chaplainous notes, right?

So when somebody asked, what is the Lindsay Clancy case about? The question really is, and this is what the center of it is. It's about the lives that were lost, right? It's about Cora and Dawson and Callan. And I don't, and here's the thing. I don't, I don't ever want the courtroom battle

to cause us to lose sight of obviously the fact that her kids are dead. And that's the thing. And I think sometimes we do that. Sometimes we get off track a little bit because we're like, hey, the defense attorney's good. You know, we don't know if maybe she meant to do it or whatever. The reality is these kids are still dead. Well, and too, she every day wants to die. And you can see it in her face sitting there on trial every day.

It's not like she is a great actress. I mean, you can see it on her face. she does not want to be living now. Yeah. And how does a doting mother that loves her children and that's all she ever wanted was to be a mother with many babies? How does she go from what she was and so direct had all these journals and was doing the perfect thing for her kids, you know, had them on all these activities? How does she go from this loving, doting mother that is premeditating their murder?

And there is no motive. What is her motive? What is it? I mean, it's not like her and Patrick were getting a divorce at the time. She loved her kids. She didn't want to go back to work. She was feeling anxious because she didn't want to go back to work. That was the only thing that I saw that why she was on the medicine in the postpartum.

Yeah, but you never know. I mean, it's, you know, if you're, if you go through this mental psychosis like this and, and you're on all these medications, there's no telling what her mind was telling her of why she had to do this. I mean, I mean, like, it could have been, hold on. What I'm saying is paranoia is it comes in all types of things. And, and, you know, like if you look at, for example, someone on meth, you know, people that are on meth are some of the most paranoid people there are. They make up stories that do not happen. They make up, they make up things that do not exist.

They believe the damn government is chasing them or that car that said the gas station is the FBI. That's after them. Or, you know, you'll be on the phone and they'll think that they hear something on the phone that's probably like, you know, just crazy shit. And they'll make up stories that literally make no sense. They'll tell you the whole story. And then you'll ask them a minute later and they don't even know what the hell they just said. You know, those things can happen.

But, you know, you think back on meth, well, number one, we do actually have a methamphetamine that's prescribed, which is Adderall. Adderall primarily is a methamphetamine. Yeah, I used to be on Adderall. Of course you did. What haven't you been on? What haven't you been on? But it's been a while. But I think I was pretty even kill when I was on Adderal.

And I was skinny. No, you were an asshole. I was skinny. Yeah, whatever, dude. You were, you were just like you, your personality completely changed. You're on it. You were just, I don't know. I don't know what it was.

You were not the same you either. You might have thought it was helping you, but you're just, you were so on edge with like the least little things. And I don't, I don't think. Yeah, but you were just different, I guess is what I'm saying. And that's what medications do. It changes people regardless of whether it's good or bad. Well, and I just wanted to bring up to, you know, I have a best friend.

friend, she went from being a top international United Airline flight attendant to a prostitute method. And that's what drugs can do to your mind. Oh, absolutely. And it's so sad. And like when you're talking about all the paranoia, I see that in her. When I have conversations with her, she's so off the wall. She can't even stay on, like, focused on one conversation because all these other intrusive

thoughts are coming into her mind. and she's on this thing to that thing to this thing and I'm like where the hell are you girl like what are you talking about but I remember a specific time when she was at the gas station and called me and she's like the FBI is following me I see this car right here they have been following me for weeks and she truly believed what she was thinking and but the way that she was expressing her thoughts were not coming out in and thoughts that made sense to me well that's what I'm saying though is like you know the same way that stuff like meth can completely alter your thought process and whatever it is, you know, absolutely

medications that are literally designed to alter your mind. You know, meth's not designed to alter your mind. Meth is designed to make you high and, you know, F up your mind. It's not like scientifically designed to alter your mind, even though it does. But you also have to understand that pharmaceutical companies engineer medications that are altering people's minds. that's what the medication is for. It's literally the change to chemistry and all the stuff in your brain to make you think

differently. And so when sometimes that shit does not go the way it's supposed to go, it can go very bad. Now, the question the jury is being asked to answer in this whole case is a lot harder question, which was who was Lindsay Clancy mentally on January 24th, 2020? Was she a woman suffering from serious mental health problems who, nevertheless understood exactly what she was doing and deliberately murdered her three children? Or was she a woman whose mental illness had progressed into psychosis to the point that she had lost the ability to understand reality and therefore was not criminally responsible for what she did?

And so once you kind of understand everything that happened in those four months before January 24th, you understand why this trial has become so much bigger than just another murder case. And it's now a case about postpartum mental illness. It's about psychiatric medication. It's about fragmented mental health care. It's about what doctors knew and what they didn't know or what they knew and didn't care to know or didn't do anything about. It's about what a husband and family were seeing happen in front of them. And ultimately, it's about where we draw the incredibly difficult line between mental illness and criminal responsibility.

And that is the story that we are watching play out right now. And, you know, I go back to this as well. Now, obviously, we know all of the medications she's been on, everything else. But, you know, when we had a couple of episodes ago, we had the blind exorcist on. And it's interesting because we had asked him a question on that show about in specific, and there's been a lot of exorcists that have performed exorcisms on people. And there have even been exorcists that have worked with people before that ended up actually mass murdering people not long after they tried to work with them. Because it is a process.

A lot of people think of exercise. Exorcisms and I'm not saying Lindsay Clancy was was possessed. I'm just bringing this up because A lot of people think of exorcisms number one there are some people don't even believe in them They don't even believe people can be possessed. I 100% believe people can be possessed by the devil Number two is there are certain amounts of people that just believe that exorcisms is either You know you go you do this extracism. It either works or it doesn't that's not necessarily case either as we had talked to the blind an exorcist about. And these things can be a long process.

And in some cases, it goes more down to mental therapy or I guess you can say psychotherapy. You know, it's not necessarily like because you're a priest and you believe in the Bible and God and Jesus and you're going to just cast this demon out of this person in some events. And a lot of exorcists, what they train for as well is psychosis. They train for things that is mental rehabilitation. and, you know, just mental illnesses in general because a lot of that does play a role. What they believe is that a lot of things that happen or can happen to someone is a scar to where the demon or Satan can enter into them more easily.

And the way I see this is, like, is medications or can medications in certain people in certain cases open a almost portal, but like something inside of their brain that otherwise they cannot see? because listen, I think on this podcast, we've talked so much about there are absolutely certain people that have gifts, if you want to call them gifts. They can be more psychic. They can foresee the future. They can sense things that other people can't help.

We know that, number one, dogs can do that. Dogs can sense whether people have cancer just by the feeling. Dogs can sense when a severe storm's coming. They can sense when a earthquake's about to happen before there's any shake in the ground. These are things that are. They can find dead bodies. They can do a lot of things. But that's mostly by smell, though.

Right. But I'm specifically saying senses, not smell, not, not hearing. I'm talking about something outside of like the mental wavelength, right? That's six sense. Yeah. So it's a mental wavelength. It's the, you know, a certain frequency that people or animals can tap into that they know something's coming before it happens or they can sense certain things. And the reality is like if you, and I want to, I don't want to bring it into this.

but as we are starting to hear more and more about UFOs and the potential of that, or if you believe in the Bible about the fallen angels and how they influenced the people, you know, the watchers, how they influenced and got into their minds and literally corrupted mankind. That was literally the beginning of corruption for mankind, according to the Bible. These things can happen. And what I'm saying is, it's like when you give, when these pharmaceutical companies, which we all know, know in love and trust, because they're all safe and effective. Yes.

pharmaceutical companies, when they are giving us medication on a mass basis, and you already think about mass media, you think about social media, you think about what the government tells us on a everyday basis. That's called what they're doing in most cases is called mass formation psychosis. They want to do certain things. They want to push these agendas and narratives through media to make certain sides believe a certain thing because they continue to divide because that is beneficial to them because if they can't divide, then they cannot continue to conquer.

If everybody was one, then they would be no longer. And they know that. So they have to create division and they have to make ways to create division. And so if you know all of that and you also know how involved the government is with big pharma, how much money the government funds pharma and vice versa. And then people do trust pharma to make medications that alter your mind. And especially when governments already know about the potential demonic possessions that are happening, that they know about alien and interdimensionality.

They know about all of these things. They literally used to do MK Ultra on people. They literally used to do mind control techniques. This is the government, which are also connected to big pharma. And so, like, people are like, oh, MK Ultra used to happen long ago. What if, like, MK Ultra is just SSRIs now? And we don't quite understand them, but maybe they give a certain group of people a certain molecule different of something to see how these people react.

We don't know, but for some people, this shit makes them go crazy. and maybe even some people it opens up a certain portal in their soul and their energy in whatever it is, their mind that allows that demon to come in that takes over. And I do think that like there's something to be said about that because even people that are not on medications that can be possessed, a lot of them act very similarly to some people like Lindsay Clancy that did this. Like, I mean, there are horror movies about people like Lindsay Clancy that literally go in a psychotic trip because they get possessed or something happens and there's nothing they can do about it.

And it sounds like at the very least it sounds like for months she was desperately trying to save herself and maybe even her kids obviously. She was probably trying to save her kids by saying shit, I got to do something. But what would you do? Like what would you do to someone for someone like Lindsay Clancy? I don't know. What do you mean? What would you do?

Well, I mean, even the four months that she was going to all these doctors, if she came to me and I was a doctor and I was like going to give her 30 minutes. I was going to say, how are we going to fix you? What do I do? You know, how do I fix you? You know, that's the question. Number one, probably what you would do is hospitalize her. And she was hospitalized.

I'm talking about for like two or three months. I mean, I'm talking about, you know, like for example, you're a friend of vet, the one that is now a prostitute. And because she, you know, United Healthcare when they, or the United Healthcare, United Airlines, God of money, not United Health Care. United Airlines when they found out of. about Yvette and being addicted to co-I think she started with cocaine but alcohol was a big thing when they found out she they didn't fire her they sent her to rehab three months wasn't three months

yeah it was three months it was three months and i think it was 50,000 dollars for those three months or something like that they did that to her three times spent over 150,000 dollars or more on just to try to get her better she was a good flight attendant she was i think on the dream liner maybe was what she was, I mean, which is like a dream. National. That's a dream job, right? Right. And she'd worked her whole life for this and she was good at what she did.

And unfortunately, you know, her addiction cost her everything. But the thing is that they sent her to these rehabs for months. And unfortunately, hers was an addiction problem. As soon as she got out of rehab, she was back on everything. Well, and every single time. And come to find out because I would talk to her when she was rehab daily and she was a totally different person. Yeah.

She was the sweet, loving. that I grew up with. Normal. But come to find out, she's, you know, she would lie to me on the phone. She's like, well, I'm going to be released in, you know, three days. I'm so excited and blah, blah, blah. I'm like, I'm so excited for you. How are you going to progress with your treatment?

And what are you going to do? She had a plan. But come to find out, she was lying to me the whole time and telling me that she was getting out, but she left when they did not think she was ready. They told her she needed to stay, but she left anyways. And as soon as she left that place and got to the airport. she was fucked up. Yeah.

Well, that's what I'm saying. I mean, I think that the only way you maybe could have helped Lindsay, if you would have known all of these things that we now know in court, unfortunately, after she killed her three kids, like, if there would have been a doctor that could have had all of the information that has been provided in a court case, which, by the way, which, by the way, how the hell would you even do that for a doctor? That's my point. Like, we don't fully understand how screwed up Lindsay was until literally, what, two weeks or so

of trial now? until two weeks of trial, extensive testimony, hours and hours and hours of testimony, you start to understand how screwed up she was. How are you going to tell a doctor that in 10, 15 minutes? It's impossible. And hold on, but my point to this is the only way I think you fix someone like that in some way, shape, or form is especially if someone knew that she had thought about harm on her kids and she had vocalized that, you got to put her in a hospital.

You got to put her in a hospital. And not a hospital to where you give her more medicine and just let her lay there and rot for three months. You got to put her in the hospital and rehabilitate her. Find the problem and give a solution. Don't put her in a mental health ward. You know, I was reading text today from my friend, from my friend that, which by the way, this girl was basically like my sister growing up.

You know, she killed herself six months ago. How long has it been? Six months ago, what a year ago, you know, we went to my friend's birthday party. She was there. We reminisced back, you know, just about all the shit we used to do. and she had kids as well, actually. And that's kind of where it started. She had postpartum.

That lasted for years. Yeah. Yeah. She went downhill mentally after the kids. And I think it was actually after her last kid, which you know what the interesting thing about it. And that's why I'm not saying names. But one of the interesting things about that, I think if I'm not mistaken, you know,

we were talking about this, like me and my friend. And he was like, one of the girls has like her personal. Like they're afraid. She's going to be like her. Yeah. Like mentally, right? But I think that's also the kid that she had when she, when she went into the mental stuff, which is, which is weird, right? Yeah.

Now, my question would be is like, I think she was on some, maybe on some, I don't, I don't want to get in details about that. But either way, there's a lot to be said about that. And so then, so the last conversation I had had with her, which was like, I don't know how long. I mean, it was not long at all before she killed herself. I mean, you know, a week's, a couple weeks. I don't remember month. I don't know. I don't remember it was around then.

Yeah. Anyway, so the last conversation of how with her, which was pretty extensive. I mean, I read it today actually because I was just going back to it. And, you know, one thing she said was, you know, I was put in a hospital and do you even understand and put in a mental hospital? Right. And what they do to you there? Against her will.

Right. Against her will. She's like, do you understand the hell that I went through and and how much trauma I have from the hospital that was supposed to help me? Right. And literally, as she was describing this, it was like that one thing actually did more harm for her than good. Yeah. And that's the same thing that they brought up in trial with Lindsay, you know, when she was in this hospital for five days, she was pretty much locked up. It's almost like you're in a prison.

You're not being seen all the time. You don't have specific doctors. You get to go out into the like playroom and play with clay and color and coloring books. and they call that therapy, I don't think that is intensive therapy. And I think that's where the system failed her. Because even when she was in the hospital for five days, I don't really thought, I don't really think she got the therapy that she needed. And nor do I think you can get therapy in just five days.

Yeah, I agree. And I do want to give an update too. So the defense basically is present this case and the trial is nearing closing arguments right now. The defense has also asked Judge William Sullivan to allow the jury to consider involuntary. manslaughter as an alternative theory tied to allege involuntary intoxication from medication. Prosecutors opposed that request, obviously. So that is where we are at in the trial right now. The reason why I wanted to do it this way instead of try to play clips from trials and all this

stuff, I just tried to lay it out in its entirety. It kind of can be a major fail when you try to play clips. Yeah. So, yeah, I try to lay it out in this entirety. I think you guys completely understand the basis of everything this happened. Obviously, for those that do not know anything about this trial, you can go check out the trial. It's everywhere. For those that do know about the trial, if we've missed any important details, let us know.

We have, but we can't cover them all. Yeah, we can. Now, it's been an hour and a half already. And I'm going to lose my voice. So I guess a new music coming, by the way, everybody, which is I'm so, so, so excited about. He is so excited that I have listened to his songs, A Million Zillian. million times. Well, when you, when you're doing music and you're creating more music in, you know,

in the studio and doing the things, you got to do it. Oh, yeah. We're back to that. I actually sent someone, because we're going to shoot a music video for one of my songs in the second week of September. And we're actually shooting in a South Carolina coast. And the songs actually specifically got the beach town in the name. And so I had, we're basically cast calling.

for a couple, like a young couple, because the song's about like, for anybody that knows, like, if you guys ever went on beach vacations when you were a teenager or even a middle school or whatever. And, and you know, your own, your own vacation for like a week, you got a beach house or like a, you know, and my family didn't have money, but we all, you know, we found ways, like all year we would save up somehow to like at least get to the beach a week. But, you know, you would go out on the beach and there would be girls everywhere. and, you know, as a, as a dude, you were just trying to, like, see who was, like, around your age.

Yeah. And where are you going to meet and have, like, a little fling with it. And have, like, the falling in love period. Right. Like, maybe it's a week you fall in love with this girl. And then either she leaves before you do or you leave before her does. And it's like the worst day ever. And you're like, mom, F this vacation.

I want to go home. You know what I mean? And it was, like, so sad. Right. And you always remember those times. Like, and the crazy thing is even for my brother, my brother, Steve, like, he met these three girls one time. And that was when I was young, dude.

I was, I don't even remember how old it was. It was probably like 11 or 12. So I was like way too young for these chicks. You know, they were like 17 or whatever. And, uh,

but I remember I used to, I used to want to like follow my brother around all the time. Yeah, you're like, I want to fall in love too. Yeah. I was like, like you got three chicks.

Like, give me just. Yeah. Like you can deal with me following you around. I had a, I had a summer beach love and I think a lot of people have. Yeah. In my summer beach love.

He moved from Idaho to Colorado to be with me. and I met him in Florida. That's interesting. Yes. Yeah. So that does happen quite frequently. Yeah. So it's interesting.

So anyways, we got a music video coming up about that. And the reason I was saying that is, well, number one, stay tuned for that because that'll be coming out soon. The song will come out before them. But, but yeah,

anyways, I was, yeah, so the lady that's kind of over the group and she's also over tourism for the board there. And then it didn't crazy enough, like in this place.

one of the main producers for the show Outer Banks. And I love that show. Yeah, it's a good show. If you ever watch it on Netflix. What are they called the prags or? The Pogs. Pogs. Yeah, the Pogs.

Yeah, but one of the main producers, he's like the guy that was like behind a major majority of that show. I'd send him a couple of the songs actually because he had messaged and said, hey, boy. And then so I'd send him a couple songs and he writes back. He's like, hey, man, if you need any help, I'm actually free during that time. I mean, I'm free for like next three weeks. I don't have anything coming up. So it's like this is like one of the main guys for a huge show. How awesome would that be if we could actually get that guy to help you produce your music video?

Yeah. It's a, it's an amazing song. It has a great vibe. And I just think about this. It's about nostalgia. It's like that moment. And I think about people being at the beach and, you know, doing videos, even if it's just, it's not just couples. If it's families, if it's their kids, I can just imagine your song playing in the background because it's actually this.

beach and who has that that beach in their song yeah i think it's an amazing song too and you know like you all know i think chad's extremely talented that's one of the things i fell in love with when i first met him but he does get very obsessive with his music and i understand why i would be too if i had a voice and unfortunately i can't carry tune well i mean i'm just i've decided i'm going to give music another go because you know i'm i'm at the point like it sucks dude it It sucked having to leave music, you know, because we both worked hard. I mean, I was in music before you, but like we together did so much work. And it also caused a lot of shit between us.

And there was just, there were so many things that happened because of music, both good and bad. Right. But leaving it has always been a thing that's just been on my back of my mind. Like, damn it. Like why? It's something that you like so desire and you so want. That's like the number one thing in my life that I love the most. Yeah.

And if that's what you love. Career-wise. You can't just like put it away and forget about it. You know, that is your talent. That is your drive in life. Yeah. You can't forget about it. You got to, you have to go after it.

So we're going to give it another go. And once the video comes out, we're looking for couples. So if you are in and around South Kong, you think that, oh, by the way, you have to be good looking. Well, you have to be, well, as I said it in the group, by the way, which I have got like 50 responses or 50 or 60 couples that have responded and sent pictures. But yeah, early 20s. got to be the only reason I said 18 over for sure because like I don't want to be I don't want like younger than 18 in my video. Well, you're not going to have alcohol in the videos, right? Well, I mean, it depends.

So maybe you should say 21 and older. I don't know. Well, either way. I just said, you know, early 20s to mid-20s. That's what I said. So got a lot of responses. We also said that we would rather than be couples because we want it to be natural on film or on camera. You know, we don't want like brand new people meeting.

and then they're having a... Yeah, like, try to pretend to kids and... Or stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah, we don't want that. So, yeah, that's what I'm doing. I'm just looking through like couples today, like, okay, this one, this one. Yeah, and I'm like, oh, let me show you this new couple that just messaged me.

But a lot of the couples that are messaging is actually their mothers. Yeah. That are sending the pictures. I literally had a mother today after she heard the song and stuff and she loved the song. And she was offering, she's like, if you'll, if you'll just pick my son and his, his, his fiance she said I'll pay you I was like no we're not doing that

I just ignored that and then there's people there's been a couple there's one like what are you gonna pay me to do this there was a couple that sent me a picture of them and there is a there's a movie

some of you guys will remember this there's a movie it was Zach Galafenakis I don't know what movie that was I need to I actually have the images it's literally when they did that photo shoot it was Zach Galaficus What movie was this? Masterminds.

It was the movie. So Masterminds was the movie. They sent me their picture. But anyways, in the movie, it's just a funny ass. It's kind of like stepbrothers. It's like a comedy.

Yeah. And this is the picture when they went to get couple photos. This is what the photos they did look like. Okay. Sherry, I'm showing you. Yes.

It's like a, what is it not prodigy? A, what is that the word called? Like a parody. A parody, yes. Parity. Yeah, it's like a parody.

So while we're on the phone, I'm just going to show you because I just, because you, I don't think have ever seen the movie, but I want to show you. But you show me the picture of the couple. And you're like, this reminds me of a funny movie that this couple is. Oh, did I show you the picture? Yeah, you showed. Yeah, and I see the resemblance. Yes, I do. Well, I'm showing you again just before we go.

Oh, right here. Look. Is that not look like that picture? Kind of. Oh, my gosh. But we're not making fun of anybody. No, we're not. No, it's just how they decided to do that photo is very interesting.

And I was like, that looks like the Zach Galfanakis movie. If you go look up the Zach Gaffanakus girlfriend picture, type that in, masterminds. And if you want to know what I'm talking about, that's literally a photo they sent. And I was like, that's interesting. Yeah. That's very interesting. Anyways, guys, that's going to do it for us. I think we covered as much as we can in one episode, but we will be back.

very soon. Likely next episode will be Hayden Penitare. We got her boyfriend, which is now getting attorneys. They're from Greenville, him and his brother also both live in Greenville, South Carolina. And his brother is a preacher, like at a major church. Yeah. Crazy. I don't know.

We'll give you guys an update on that next. We've actually heard a lot of stuff, especially when you're from this area. You hear a lot more stuff than probably a lot of people have. So we will talk about that. And it might even involve some deep and dark holly. with stuff potentially. You know, we don't, we don't 100% know, but apparently there's already conspiracies going around like crazy.

Well, yeah. And I also find it weird. Hayden was being very public over the past three months and wrote a book and everything. And was about to unveil some things, which is pretty interesting. So we'll talk about that on the next one, guys. We're going to close it out with the shivers by loving caliber. And we are praying for their family for sure. We're praying for the babies.

Yeah, absolutely for sure. Until next time, guys, we love you. He's out. He's out. I hate to admit it. I'm out of ideas. I don't know what to do. Most of the times I think I'll make it through.

But all that it takes is my image of you. And it shiver. Nobody knows the way it shivers. Nobody knows. It hurts just. little, known with my friends, and we drank till we're done.

So I can't remember what would feel to wake up in that bed right beside you. All of the memories I tried to erase just comes back when I'm sober. I see that face and it shivered. Nobody's. knows the way you shivered because it shivers

it's cold and it's dark without you in my arms yeah it shivers it all if just for a minute I'd fall asleep in the dream of days I don't know if I'll shivers it hurts