Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Maine Mass Shooting | Interview With Robert Card Lifelong Friend

Episode Date: October 27, 2023

In this episode, we engage in a conversation with a long-time friend of Robert Card, the prime suspect in a chilling series of homicides that have shaken Lewiston, Maine. These gruesome acts are believed to have claimed the lives of more than 18 individuals across two separate locations. As the manhunt for the elusive perpetrator in Maine entered its second day, we witnessed an extensive operation with helicopters scouring vast expanses of the countryside, while the Coast Guard diligently patrolled the Kennebec River. In the midst of this crisis, thousands of residents found themselves under an extended lockdown, their lives disrupted as law enforcement personnel from local, state, and federal agencies meticulously searched the expansive and predominantly rural terrain for answers.Additionally, amidst the turmoil, politicians are once again echoing the call for gun control measures in the aftermath of this tragic event. Their focus is on proposed changes that aim to restrict firearm access for law-abiding citizens, a subject that continues to spark heated debates. All of this and more on this episode of Maine Mass Shooting | Interview With Robert Card Lifelong FriendOur FacebookOur XOur InstagramInvestigate Earth Rumble

Welcome to Investigator's podcast. I'm your host, Chad, alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. Sherry, how's it going? I guess we got some new information as we're doing this podcast. Absolutely. It's just crazy that this happened last night. We have so much information coming out as we're speaking right now. Yeah.

Yeah, so on this episode, guys, as some of you know, some of you that follow our Facebook, by the way, we're really growing a big community over on our Facebook. And I encourage all of you to go follow our Facebook. We post pictures every single day. what we're doing, what we're going to cover what we're going to talk about. We get feedback from you guys. We also do that on our X account, and you can find us on Investigator Earth podcast and any of those. We also have TikTok and Instagram.

Find us there, but Facebook are really building the community X. We're trying to do that even though we're still shadow band. So some of you that follow our Facebook know that we are going to interview in this podcast, a lifelong friend and not only just a friend to Robert Card, but also family friends. they were all kind of intermingled. This guy's mom changed Robert's diapers. So he, along with his entire family, has known this family for a very long time, not just Robert, but the entire family. And so we tried to get as much as we could out of Henry. Obviously, Henry is in a lot of shock.

He is not used to being in media. He's not used to doing all that stuff. But I think it's just at least worth hearing what he kind of had to say in some of our questions. But I just want to thank our listeners out there that told us who to go to to find, you know, Robert's most intimate friends. So thank you for that because we did reach out and we did get Henry on, you know, an observation, on an interview tonight with us. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, absolutely, guys. And obviously, this is changing as we speak. After the interview that we did with Henry, there were developing things that were happening and are still happening right now. As we had reported on this episode, they are surrounding a house, but they believe potentially where Robert is right now.

So maybe this might come to an end tonight. But we do have new information that, you know, that the police have said, at least to News Alice, they do not know if Robert is in this house that they are circling right now. They have helicopters above. They have everything and they are surrounding this home as we speak. And so I don't know that we're going to know the answer to this by the time this podcast is over. But regardless, let's intro this and get to the interview. But let's talk about the kind of whole deal around this. Because in the interview and then after the interview, we were kind of talking about the live, ongoing things.

We talked a little bit about SSRIs, you know, Fox News and some of them were talking about was he on antidepressants and then got off of them because he's skinnier now. we talk about all that. But let's talk about the actual consequential things that we are potentially going to be facing from this mass shooting. Well, Biden, as we mentioned later in this podcast, he's already came out and said that, you know, we got to ban assault weapons. This is their number one goal. We got to ban assault weapons because, you know, everyone will be safe as long as we ban assault weapons, which is just absolutely assonine and is not true. Anytime the government is trying to ban the assault weapons. They don't want to just ban the or ban the assault weapons.

That is not their main goal. Their main goal is to at least take a giant chunk out of the Second Amendment. And that way, once it's normalized and you are used to not having what they call assault weapons, which is essentially the exact same thing as every weapon because for whatever reason, the politicians want people that know nothing about guns to believe that assault weapons are semi-automatic. Well, guess what? Most guns are semi-automatic with exception of bolt action and, you know, revolvers and whatever. Right.

But most handguns are semi-automatic. Yes. There's tons of shotguns that are semi-automatic. There's so many weapons that are semi-automatic, and we're all used to semi-automatic weapons. Most everyone that carries a concealed or everyday carry firearm is a semi-automatic weapon. Exactly. And by the way, no one carries on an everyday basis, an AR-15, underneath. their pants as a concealed weapon.

But what they want to do is they want to take a giant chunk out of our Second Amendment. And they're doing all this keeping in mind where we just witnessed in Israel a Hamas terrorist organization go door to door to door where they film this. They filmed them going door to door and shooting people through their doors. Sometimes they didn't even have to go in the house. They would just call people to a door. They would show up at a door and just shoot them right through the door their AK-47s. and not just AKA4-7s, but they also used what appeared to be potential M-4s, which a lot of people are saying that the Hamas terrorists have somehow gained access

to a lot of the weapons that we just abandoned in Afghanistan, what was Biden's disastrous withdrawal in Afghanistan. And so, you know, we're literally talking in the United States. At the same time, keep in mind that we have a wide open border where we know, we know, and if you look back, like I think it's over to past eight years, if you look at how many potential terror suspects or people that were on the terror watch list have been captured across our border over the past 10 years. Well, if you look back 10 years ago, there was like one. And then if you look a year ahead of that, so nine years ago, there was like four. And if you look eight years ago, there was like maybe five, maybe four that year as well.

But as the Biden administration started coming in, and as they really wanted to start pushing, this wide open borders thing. You went from basically maybe two or three or four here and there to now we're at 200. That's at least what we have been able to find and we're not even talking about probably 90% of the terrorist

suspects or have got through the border unscathed. And you've got to remember 9-11, we went like full force on airplanes. You can't do this. You can't do that. We have all these x-ray machines. We're going to keep these terrorists out through airplanes because that's what happened. But

Meanwhile, we've opened our borders where people can just walk across the land, not fly across the land. And I'm talking about there are terrorists coming through the borders of Mexico from all over the world. Yeah. And we don't even know who they are. No, I agree. And I do want to say, so we, you know, there are people on X and others that they want to talk about, you know, some of their common sense regulations or, or, whatever they want to call it. You know, David Hogg, the guy that was a part of the Parkland, I think he was part of the Parkland shooting. He has basically become a massive left-wing propagandist

against the Second Amendment and against guns in America. No doubt he's probably being paid and influenced by the United States government and by the people that want to take your guns away. You know, he came out eight hours ago saying one guy attempts to bomb a plane with his shoes, and we have to take our shoes off every time we go on a plane for decades after. We have hundreds of mass shootings committed with semi-odom mic rifles and nothing changes. And said, by the way, you can still own shoes, just so you know. And also, to your point, you can also still take guns on airliners. You just have to check them and you've got to do it properly.

You've got to go through TSA's what their rules and regulations are. But yes, you can check a firearm on board airliners. But I'm saying they're not coming through airlines any longer. They're coming through our borders where they can walk. across the border or swim across the border or whatever. That's where all these people are coming from. And that's what's really sad. We finally made our airports very, very secure where we watched everyone coming in,

everyone coming out. You couldn't even have liquid in your suitcase. We were so particular about who's coming in and who's coming out. Well, right now, we have just opened the borders. Some people, you know, are going through authorities and coming up. illegally, kind of illegally. But there's other people that are not even coming illegally illegally, meaning like they're not even being arrested through the border control. They're skipping that and going right into our country.

Yeah, most of them are. Because by the way, the only people that are that like the 200 almost people that we have caught that were on the terror watch list, for whatever reason, they just came through the border. although in probably the regular fashion a lot of people did, maybe they thought they could just skip by and maybe they actually didn't realize that they were even on the terror watch list because of they just didn't realize

how, I guess, I don't know if you want to call it, I guess how good our intelligence is overseas. So they probably just thought, well, everybody's getting through. I can get through too, but they don't realize that our terror watch list is very,

you know, we do have a extremely good intelligence as far as overseas stuff, but the problem is, when you have policies, that allow basically a wide open border to where, say that you caught 180 terror watch list suspects through the usual patterns, but we also have to understand

that there are more people getting away from the border without contact with law enforcement than in some cases are getting through, according to some reports. We don't know, but we do believe that there are probably more getaways that are on the terror watch list than are not. And obviously, most Hezbollah or Hamas terrorists

are not going to come across, the border through the usual ways that everyone else is coming from Honduras and Mexico and whatever, they're going to use all of the various different places that you can get across the border in. And it's not only those people, but it's Chinese, that's people that hate us. China, Iran, anyone that hates us are coming that way. Yeah, so I guess our point to this is that, you know, we saw the Israel thing happen. And we know that we have an uprising and a, well, we know we have an uprising for pro-Palestinian, pro-Hama.

anti-Israel, and it's not even really anti-Israel. It's, in my opinion, it's anti-religion, it's anti-ideology about a god or at least not their God. And I don't even believe a lot of these people that are protesting the streets of America today are... They don't even believe in God. Yeah, I don't think so, yeah, I don't think so either. But all these people that are protesting, all these people that are protesting for Hamas and for Palestine, or also the exact same people that want you to give away. your guns and let all of the terrorists in your country. Listen, this is not going to happen. Now,

at first, when Robert Card did these shootings, a lot of people were a question, including us, we were like, I hope this is not somehow connected, you know, to any sales or any of this stuff that's inside. Because everyone started saying this because we're on high alert. Right. Everyone is just waiting for the day this happens. Now, this doesn't make Roberts' horrific shooting any less, right? And I do want to mention too because we have not mentioned this. We are 100% praying and in support of all the family members that were lost during this time. Absolutely. It is horrific that someone can go bowling or someone can go to a restaurant and be murdered in cold blood. And to my point to this is that if I'm campaigning to how do we stop those things

happening, but we have to arm more citizens. We have to arm more law-abiding citizens to be able to protect herself. If you go to a bowling alley, you go to a bar and grill, you go to well, not necessarily bar and grill because, I mean, there are stipulations as far as alcohol and one of the gun possession. But what I'm saying is if you go to a restaurant, you go to here, we need to have more Americans per capita armed at every place they go than we ever have. And it's just like the same thing. We're arming people in churches and synagogues now because we have to. No, well, I mean, you know, we just saw, you know, universities across the country are going absolutely assinine as far as what, like, you almost don't even realize we live in the United States of America anymore. But so let me give you a breakdown briefly of what actually happened.

So here is the Lewiston-Main mass shooting timeline. So at 6.56 p.m., the Auburn Communications Center was alerted that an undidentified man walked into Justin Tyne Boland, which was recently renamed from Sparitime Recreation on Moleston Street in Lewiston and began shooting. Police said multiple 911 calls that followed confirmed the shooting. At 7.08 p.m., the Auburn Communications Center received multiple calls that a man had entered Schimingy's Bar and Grill restaurant on Lincoln Street and open fire. Police said multiple law enforcement agencies and emergency medical personnel were immediately dispatched to the locations, which are about four miles apart. At 8.06 p.m., police released a photo of the alleged shooter to the media. The surveillance photo showed a man wearing a brown sweatshirt and holding a rifle while walking through the doors, decorated in bowling pins, and a bowling ball. That was a setting of where he came in.

Yeah, yeah. At 926 p.m., the Lewiston Police Martin received a call identifying the man. in the distributed photos as Robert Card 40 of Baldoyne, Baudoin, Maine. I'm probably not saying that right either. At 9.56 p.m., the Lisbon Police Department notified Lewiston Police that had located a white Subaru at the... Why are these names so hard to freaking say?

But Jep Scott Boat launch in Lisbon, the vehicle was confirmed to belong to Card. Card remains at large as more than 350 law enforcement personnel from federal, state, and local agencies continue to search rim and authorities stressed that cards should be considered armed and dangerous. And as we said in the beginning of this, and as we're going to talk about in the, I guess, exit to this podcast, it is an ongoing current situation right now. FBI and cops have descended on the suspect's home.

The cops, I'm literally reading Fox. I don't know why you say cops. Law enforcement has said that they do not know for sure if Robert Card is at this house. but we will get in more detail in this podcast about why they believe he's there potentially, what happened and why all this transfolded, because they were already at this house earlier. There were reports that they had stayed at this house, but I think there's a lot more to that. But guys, before we get into the interview, and I don't want to keep you too long in the intro, everything is going to hell right now in this world.

I mean, we're seeing it everywhere. You know, the fact that Israel is being blackballed by the United States right now and the United States and Biden administration is what some say urging or others say demanding that Israel don't fight back. The UN Security Council is basically condemning the victim. They're victim shaming Israel for striking back and trying to fight for their country. Basically, the world is starting to uprise. And I think this is what we're going to see. We've been seeing this. we've been talking about this.

I think that we're going to see it uprising. They're going to use a casualty, which is what happened in Israel. They're going to use this horrific event to actually go against Israel. And I know this sounds crazy. They want everybody to believe that the victims at first, and everybody's been on board with this.

But I think it's a pitfall. I think it is a trap. I think it's a trap for Israel. I think it's a trap for Western civilization. I think it's a trap for... Christianity and Judaism. Yep. And I think it's just a part of the bigger plan.

I know it sounds nuts. And just like this Robert Card situation, is there a conspiracy here? We don't know. What we do know is that Robert Card potentially is a victim like many people of, at the very least, the system, the VA hospital, the potential of SSRI use.

We don't know. I'm not saying, sorry, I want to rephrase it. Robert is not a freaking victim because he did go and kill innocent people. Right. But he's not a victim. He did try to get help, I guess, is what you're saying. What I was trying to say is he's potentially a victim of the system, I guess is what I'm trying to say. Right.

The real victims, obviously, are the people that he freaking murdered. Absolutely. And he deserves to burn in hell now. And I don't think this is so much a conspiracy of planning. No, no, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't think there really is a conspiracy here, at least from what we see.

but the bigger conspiracy or just the whole topic around this is just where the government is about to take this. Well, it's going to be a political thing. Yeah. Political sides are going to go to their sides and they're going to use this tragedy to their political alignment. Yeah, absolutely. So I want to make sure that none of those words are taken out of context. He's not a victim. I'm just saying that we have a lot of people that are a victim.

of the system of potentially biopharmaceutical complex. We don't know whether he was on antidepresses. I would assume they tried to get him on those. He was in mental hospital. I guess he had tried to basically cry out for help at other times, but we don't know.

But guys, without further ado, we're going to get into the interview with Henry, the friend of Robert Card, and then we will continue to cover it live in this as of right now, and this is live as we're speaking right now, at 8.40 p.m. Eastern time. Armored vehicles are outside the suspect's home. And it looks like they are potentially about to breach the home maybe. We don't know, but

we will obviously let you guys know on our social media, the latest updates on this, on our Facebook, go follow us at Investigator's podcast or on our X account. But here is the interview with Henry and then our subsequent follow up on the ongoing things. that are happening. Here you go. All right, guys, we are here with Henry. Henry, how's it going? Going good. Been better. Yeah, I can imagine. So, obviously, this podcast, we're going to title it that, you know, you have been a friend of what we believe now to be Robert Card, which is who you also believe you have been a friend with pretty much your whole entire life. Tell us a little bit about the history between you and Robert. How long have you guys known each other and so on? Well, I've known him basically my whole life. I mean, our families are real tight.

It's a super small town, so everybody really knows everybody. Yeah. Did you guys, like, grew up together as kids? What's that? Did you guys grow up together as kids? No, he was at a... About 10 years older than me. Okay.

So. I got you. A little bit different generation. So did you, because I had actually noticed in one of your profile pictures that you, I guess you, do you hunt and do that type of stuff? And obviously, do you live in Maine now or have you moved? No, I moved about two years ago down to North Carolina. So you're close to us. But it seems like as I've been reading about Robert,

that the community that you guys grew up in is a very small community, and it also is a huge, like, hunting community. Is that correct? Yeah, a lot of outdoors stuff. I think there's about 1,200 people in the town. Now, how did you originally... I think much to do that. Yeah.

Yeah, so you have to hunt, right? So how did you originally meet Robert? Just through family. birthday parties, Christmas, horseshoe tournaments. It's basic family stuff. And I did read too that part of the reasoning maybe behind

what he did yesterday was because he was in tournaments with like cornhole and stuff like that. Did you ever play cornhole with him? No, I never did cornhole. I was never really into that. But horseshoes and stuff. We did tournaments and stuff together.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, horseshoes is like the old school cornhole, really? Yeah, pretty much. Basically. It's the OG cornhole. Yeah, I wanted to read real quick and kind of get some of your thoughts on this and just see what you think. But the family of Robert Card, who is expected of killing 18 people and two mass shootings in Maine on Wednesday night, say that the Army Reservist had previously claimed he was hearing voices at two locations he allegedly attacked. And in the aftermath of the car.

Cady Card, who is married to Carr's brother, told the Daily Beast that their family has been messaging her brother in-law and urging him to surrender to authorities. Now, did you know this Katie person? Yeah. Okay. And how do you feel about Robert's family? Were they, I don't know, I mean, what was their kind of family dynamics? Yeah. They're good family. I mean, they all live pretty close together. They seem like a good family. How many brothers and sisters does he have? I believe he's just got one brother and one sister.

Okay. And now, obviously, he grew up with his family, but now, from what I was reading, does he just live with his father, or do you know? No, he had a house of his own. Oh, okay. And so a lot of people now, too, and we're going to get into this in just a little bit, but was did you, I guess, take Robert for an outdoorsy type person, like maybe someone may consider him a survivalist.

Obviously, he's not been found as of right now of the recording this podcast. Was he one of those people that obviously loved the outdoors? You had talked about hunting and all that stuff there, but was he kind of into the survival aspect of life up there in Maine? Not a whole lot. Just, you know, average recreational stuff. but most people up there, they know how to survive. Yeah.

So if you will, can you just describe, I know you said your families have been friends the whole time and, you know, you've been pretty close to them. Kind of describe what kind of personality he had. What kind of person was he when you were interacting with him? Would you have ever thought that he would do something like this? No, never. He was really laid back, nice joke around, you know, have fun. And, you know, have drink, play horseshoes, just really just a nice guy. So you never saw, like, any angry stuff or anything that he could ever get mad at people or anything like that?

when he got real heavy drinking, he wanted to fight people sometimes. Yeah, and a lot of us are all that. That's about it. Yeah, a lot of people say that. And a lot of people do that, unfortunately. But, you know, and two is, was it something that, you know, like have you thought, obviously since all this has happened,

is it something that, is there anything that you have, you've ever seen from him that you were like, oh, maybe, maybe I kind of get it, or are you just still completely in shock over this? No, never. I know. I think he must have went downhill this past year. And, I mean, I haven't seen him for two years. But last time I saw him, he seemed perfectly fine.

Wow. Now, did he have boats and the stuff? I mean, is that? Because, I mean, I'm guessing that's kind of the consensus on the meat. right now is he had boats in the area? I think he had one at one point, but I think he had a bass boat. Yeah. And are the waters up there?

Are they, from where you guys lived, if you could go get on a boat, say that you or him, if you could go get on a boat, like, how lost could you get from law enforcement if you were able to escape on a boat? From where they found his car? It would be a little bit tough. You can't go downstream. You got Dan's down there. And then you go upstream.

You're back in Lewis and Auburn where the whole thing started. There are little tributaries and stuff, but really on foot through the woods, if you wanted to get away, that's where you'd go. Yeah. So thinking about Maine as a whole, like where you'd be. you guys live or where you did live, you know, I was kind of watching the news today, it seems like it's all forest. Tell me about like the communities there. Is it, is it all forest? Are there communities or their big cities? What, what is around you? No, there's no biggest

city in Maine is like $60,000. Oh, wow. But past further up north, past Portland, it's just trees. Okay. Yeah, I think I'd heard somewhere it was like 90% covered in trees. And, um, yeah. Did you know him to be good with firearms? Yeah, I mean, most people up there are. And because, I mean, I guess there's, you know, I've been shooting with them and everything.

Yeah, and there's, I guess there's this big consensus. He was this, you know, um, firearms instructor, this, you know, expert marksman and, and whatever. Did you, did you see him that way as far as how the media is portraying him in that realm? No, that was just his military stuff. Outside of that, he's just a regular guy. Yeah, because there is a statement from the Army that just came out. It says, SFC, Robert Card, is assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 304th Infantry Regiment in Seco, Maine.

The statement said, I hope I said that name right. Saka. Saka, okay, I figured I said it wrong. While his unit supported West Point Summer Training in July of 2023, there are no records to indicate he instructed or participated in any training. the Army did not train SC card as a firearms instructor, nor did he serve in that capacity for the Army. Due to the Privacy Act and ongoing investigation, we cannot provide further details. But it says we take matters such as this very seriously, and our primary concern is to ensuring that all legal and appropriate actions are taken in accordance with our committee and upholding highest standards.

So obviously the Army is kind of coming out and saying, you know, we didn't necessarily train them to do that. Yeah. Do you know what he exactly was doing as an Army Reserve? He was infantry, it says. Our infantry or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he didn't do a whole lot, just reserves. Workout, train once a month.

Yeah, I got you. Nothing real special. Yeah, because I read he was basically a mechanic or, you know, he was some kind of specialist. Yeah, there's something with fuel or something. I don't know exactly. Now, do you know that if he would have, anyone or anyone to go to that would, you know, I mean, which would obviously be pretty dumb on anybody to do that. But was he a very popular person in the area? Did he have a lot of friends?

I mean, what was the situation on that? Yeah, I mean, he's a real friendly guy. I mean, it's hard not to get along with it. Now, initially, I think you had said to me in a message earlier, you said, if that's him. And then you did say his family. basically confirmed as him, but you said it didn't really even look like him, right? I didn't think that picture from the bow and out. He never really had a bunch of facial hair, and he usually kept his hair pretty short.

Yeah. But, I mean, people going through stuff. I don't know. They change. So you saw him two years ago, basically, to date. And what was his mental state, you believe, at the time that I guess the last time you saw them they're perfectly normal

hmm I mean that's a surprise yeah because there's audio out there saying that which this also doesn't make sense but there's audio out there I guess that multiple news departments have confirmed it is his audio although it's not on video and I guess it was on his social media about him talking about everything that the army took from him and the government and that you know

they destroyed his life basically they destroyed his life and then if you look at it from this standpoint as a reservist number one i mean you know what is what does the reservist do like one month or one weekend a month yeah one weekend a month yeah train once once a month and pretty much of it now do you know and i and i don't really want to get too deep in this but do you know kind of like what his opinions or belief systems were as far as political or any of that stuff i mean was he an anti-government you know, militia want to be person or any of that? No, I mean, he was working for the government. Yeah, that's true. And the reason I ask you is because it's just like, you know, the media is running with this narrative that he was against the government. He hated what the military did to him, but what could the military... I don't know what the military did do.

Yeah. Well, Ivy... He was in the reserves ever since I've known him. So he was in reserves for a while, I guess, then. Since 2002? Yeah, long time. Okay. Yeah.

But I also had seen some posts, like, and these are crazy posts, but people are like, oh, yeah, he was a far right extremist. And he was doing this because he's far right and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And people are saying he's a Nazi, too, which is kind of asking. No, no, no, no. So he did. No, he was just a normal guy. Now, did he have any kids, girlfriends? Was he ever married?

Any of that stuff? Yeah, he was married probably 10 years ago. Okay. And he had a kid with her. How many times has he been married? As far as I know, that was it. Okay. Now, did he ever have any disturbances with his wife or his ex-wife that you know about?

No, not really. She was the bad one. Oh, really? Like how? Yeah, it was going great, and she just left him. Did she have given a reason why she left him? Not that I know of. And I assume that she took the child with her?

I'm not really 100% sure about the custody. Yeah. Yeah, it's just weird. He kept a lot of that private. Yeah. Now, do you think he would ever reach out to you if he was? And, I mean, obviously we don't know, but, you know, there's a possibility he's not even still alive technically right now. Yeah, that is true.

I don't think he would reach out to me just because I live so far away. Yeah. Yeah, but because you do live so far away, that would be a good escape. Oh, goodness. Well, um... I mean, his brothers reached out to my cousin and everything, and he's all tore up. His brother is... Is his brother older or younger than him?

his brother's I think a couple years older Okay So I can imagine He was actually gonna take his guns And It just didn't You know

So he was gonna So the brother was gonna take his guns Now was this kind of during the time that In July He was going through mental stuff or what Yeah actually He did the two weeks on the hospital And the VA was actually

Supposed to take his guns and they never did. So Ryan decided he was going to do it and then this happened before he could. Wow. Yeah, I mean, we hear a lot of stories about the VA. There's a lot of horror stories about the VA as well. And, you know, sometimes you often wonder,

and at least I do, I mean, especially with if all the reports are true about the fact he went to a mental hospital, he was basically, it sounds like crying out for help, you know, and also knew that he had guns and all this stuff. I mean, it's almost like there are organizations or people in power that want these things to happen. No, don't take his guns because he might actually go and do what we want them to do, so we're going to use him as a political employee.

Yeah. Now, did you ever... Yeah, I'm sure that happens. Did you ever frequent the bowling alley or the bar and grill where he actually took live? Spatime mornings? I've been there a couple times, but mostly on Brunswick areas where I went. Now how far...

Louisston was kind of a rundown town. Hmm. Now how far was his home from the bowling alley? Do you know? Probably 25 minutes. Okay. Wow. Because I did read which was interesting.

You know, I was trying to find a motive. And it's just now coming out that, you know, during the time in July when he was hearing voices, well, what really happened is I guess he had hearing loss. So he got these hearing aids that had tremendous sound. And he felt like he was hearing people talk crap about him. And he kept telling his family, I hear these people talking shit about me and I don't like it. And they kept saying, this is in your mind. This is the hearing aids or something. But he said as soon as he got those hearing aids, he was hearing.

all these people talking crappy on his back. And this was at the bowling alley and at the bar and grill. And I'm wondering, is this his motive? Because he thought these people were talking shit about him. But in July, he was also talking about that he would go on a military base and shoot everyone up. Yeah. Yeah, I believe he was trying to get help when he said that. Yeah.

Yeah, because I think that he knew what the possibility maybe was inside of him. Like he knew the reality of that. It's like, you know, it's like people that say they want to kill themselves for attention. Right. They want help. Yeah, exactly. And they're crying out for help. And then even some of those people that cry out for help by saying, hey, I want to kill myself.

Not saying those people won't someday actually do that because there has been a lot of cases of that. You know, sometimes when people say something, you need to believe them. And, you know, I think maybe this is the biggest thing that we've lost in this is, the fact that, you know, seem like everything failed. Right. Because it seems like he was a pretty normal guy until the last few months.

Something happened, especially with this hearing aid thing or whatever. I don't know if this was the catalyst, but something was happening and he was telling his family over and over and they kept trying to tell him, no, this is in your head. And actually, I think the army

or the reserves are the ones that sent him to the hospital for the two weeks. Now, did he get the herniates after the hospital visit? No, it's before. It's right before. And then he went to the mental hospital. Right.

And he stayed there two weeks. And the Army were the actual ones that sit him there because something happened during a training weekend or something that made them feel like he needed to go to a hospital. But my question is, if an Army is sending people to a mental institution, why did they not follow up? after he left. Yeah. Well. I don't know. I think they fell in so many people today.

And if we look at this, I mean, you know, VA fells people all the time. I mean, this is a normal occurrence. And unfortunately, you know, especially, now, I wanted to ask that, do you know if he was ever deployed or no? I don't believe so. Okay. His brother was, but I don't think he ever got deployed. Yeah. strange because I mean obviously you know I know you had to been around him for for a little

while but you know it seems like something happened I mean especially someone that you know and knew of being normal for so long and I and I know this is kind of cliche because so many people say that even people that kill themselves you're like never saw that coming I think that might be he's been so normal that might be why they didn't help him yeah yeah because I just thought, oh, you're fine. He was trying to get help. Yeah. Now, was he, was he like a kind of, like personality-wise, like if you guys were hanging out or whatever, was he a person that you could talk to about sensitive things ever? Like, was he someone that, was he more hard, kind of hard note, not hard nose? What is the word I'm trying to use here? But was he kind of

more thick skin and, you know, wasn't really a sensitive type of person? Or is he someone that you could go to if you had, like, say, a girlfriend issue or you were devastated of a breakup or any of that stuff? I mean, I know that sounds weird, but I think there's a reason of massiveness. I mean, I never did, but I feel like I could have. Okay. He wasn't like a jerk or nothing. Yeah. Yeah, so strange, this whole thing.

And obviously, you know, the government and media and everybody, and especially the government and politics are going to use this as gun control. Oh yeah They already are There's no question Sure do you have any more questions Well so you said that he was married once Do you know how long he was married for I want to say

Over five years And they had I mean they were building the house together And then in the middle of building the house She just left And that was how But that was a while ago right you said Yeah but probably about 10 years ago

10 years And they had a child together Do you know how old the child would be? now? Early teams, maybe. Okay. And did he, as far as you know, did he have regular visitation,

or did he get to see his child or not? I believe so. I mean, he gets a lot of that person, like private. Mm-hmm. So it sounds like it was a very private person that was kind of just laid back, didn't have a lot to say. Yeah, that's how a lot of people are,

I'll say it. Yeah. Well, man, I tell you, first of all, I mean, I understand, obviously everyone is looking this guy as evil, and it sounds like what he did is, obviously. And, you know, we don't know why people do these things, but it is what it is. How are you feeling right now as knowing somebody that has done this? Like, what is your mind going through right now? It's hard to believe. you know, when I first started seeing his pictures on Twitter,

I thought it was a mistake, and I was joking around, showing my wife, you know, they put Bob all over Twitter, and then it got real. So you called him Bob? Yeah, Bobbert. Man, it's just, yeah, I can imagine, like, seeing someone that you've known for your whole life pretty much. Now, do you, I don't. don't know if you know, but do you, do you, did you know anyone in the bowling alley or in the bar and grill that were there during the shootings?

No, not that I know of us. They haven't released names or anything. Well, they've actually released eight names. Oh, eight now. Mm-hmm. Have they? Yeah, eight names they've released. But it's out of, out of the bowling alley, I think it was seven males and one female, or six

males in one female. and then in the bar and grill, it was all males. So, and I don't know about the injured people. Yeah, and by the way, as we're actually recording this, there is live, says authorities at House of Suspect. And there's a quote. Yeah, that's not his house. Well, it says walk out.

That's his parents' house and his sister's house. And it's saying he's walking out with his hands up. No, not him. It says, walk out with your hands up is the quote right now. So are they, do they have him in this house is what it sounds like. Fox News reporting they're at his house right now as of 729 p.m. It says authorities at home of suspect and it quotes,

walk out with your hands up. But Henry's saying this is his parents' house, correct? Yeah, that's the farm. Are you looking at the live feed right now? I looked at it a minute ago. Okay. So talking about the farmhouse, like what properties do they have in Maine?

Because it sounds like there's several properties he could be at, I guess because of the hunting or whatever. His whole family lives in Bowen. They own right around 1,000 acres. That's a lot of land

for sure. Yeah, so it could be anywhere on that land. Yeah. Yeah, it's going to be interesting. A lot of its farmland and woods and swamp. If you had to guess, do you think he escaped on a boat or he's in the forest or the wood somewhere? I think he's in the woods or he's dead somewhere. Yeah.

Well, Henry, we absolutely appreciate you coming on. You know, it's, like I said, you know, it's a lifelong friend of yours. And regardless of kind of what happened and how that happened, obviously, it sucks for you. It obviously sucks for all of the family members and we're prayed for all those people that were affected. by this. And we definitely appreciate you coming on. Is there anything else you want to say, Henry, before we go? No, it's just, it's shocking.

And he really was a nice guy. I mean, people are going to say he was evil and all that, but he wasn't up until the end here. Yeah. Yeah, it's just nuts. I mean, and we don't understand why these things happen for sure. And, you know, sometimes these, these all these heinous things happen to be old these are perfectly normal people for most

their lives until one day they just break yeah and it makes my heart hurt for everyone yeah well henry thank you so much for coming on we really appreciate it and and um and thank you for just giving us the time and giving us your thoughts and like i said we're our thoughts are with everybody and obviously your family who ever knew anyone that's involved in this or him as well so well thank you for having me and let me talk about him yeah not a problem um well have a go with henry we appreciate it thank you too all right bye all right that was henry um obviously you know crazy it's crazy because you know when you when you know someone your entire life right something like this happens it's gotta be kind of mind-blown i mean could you imagine you know because when we first met

Henry this afternoon, he basically said his mother changed Robert's diapers. So he's known him his whole life. And just to have it, have this come out like, this is a person I've known my whole life. I cannot imagine what's going through anyone's heads, especially this is a very small community. This is a community where everyone knows everyone pretty much. Yeah. You know, it's very small. It's very rural. People do a lot of recreation outside. There's a lot of hunting going on. And I noticed that too because I think today actually was supposed to be the start of the hunting day in Maine. And people are wondering, are they going to call off the hunting thing? I guess you're supposed to wear orange or something.

You know, and people were on both sides of the fence. Like, go ahead and keep hunting day on because we will find them as hunters. You know, we are hunters. And then on the other side, people are like, no, he's a marksman. He will find you before you find him. Yeah, I think they're kind of playing up maybe some of his marksmanship. Now, obviously, like Henry said there, everybody up there has guns. They know how to use them, and you don't have to be a firearms instructor to be a good marksman.

I mean, that's just not the way that goes. We do actually have, there's a video. I want to play this clip for you guys. They did find a note at the house. This was a couple hours ago, but I do want to play what this news article says. Here you go. And that is that police and FBI agents are searching a property in Bowden. That is the town where Card and many of his family members live.

We have complete team coverage for you tonight, covering every single angle of the story. But let's begin with Brandon Truitt, who just arrived on that search scene just a short time ago. Brandon? Well, David, we are on West Road in Bowden. It is incredibly rural and wooded area. We're about 13 miles from where you're at. And just down the road here is what's believed to be Robert Kart's house. And I can tell you, we have been seeing the ATF, the FBI, increasing their presence really by the minute here. As you can see, these cars just essentially lined up here. The driveway they're focusing on is down to the left. I want to show you what it looks like from overhead, though. Sky Eye was here just moments ago. And you can see dozens of officers with weapons and bulletproof vests outside of this home. We have watched them come in and out of there. Now CBS News, now we're. reporting that a note of some kind was found inside Cards house. That's according to one U.S.

official who's been briefed on this search. That source saying that this was simply not a suicide note, but they wouldn't elaborate any further than that. Again, police continuing to increase their presence here on this very, very quiet neighborhood. I made my way down to a couple of homes here, and I've got to tell you, people are staying inside, their doors are locked, and their blinds are closed. This is a kind of scene that on some stories like this, as a public spectacle. That is just not the case here. Of course, Card still on the run at this point.

But David, we'll send it back to you. All right. So that was a CBS report of a note found at Card's House. And like I said, this is live right now in Maine as of 735 p.m. on October 26th. But I want to talk about. Wait, I'm sorry, babe. Authorities are at the home, and I've already said this. But there is a quote.

It says, walk out with your. hands up. So I don't know if they're saying right now that he is at this house, but with the quotes that says walk out with your hands up, it appears maybe he is. But two hours ago, there were reports of flashbangs going off at the same house. And the reporters came on and said that the flashbangs were probably from the police to give him an idea that the presence is there if he is there. But would you not think they would already have searched this property? well before now well I think they they got some other properties today that they found out he was connected to and I think some of these things take time obviously I mean that that can happen but

you're right I mean yeah should should he have been you know necessarily all the properties already been found by now I don't know that's pretty that's usually a pretty fast thing but I think what it kind of tells me is that maybe some of these properties when they say he's connected to probably wasn't in his name right so they're And then also you kind of got to go down the line of search warrants. So they got to be able to get for family members properties even probably that have nothing to do with Robert necessarily other than the fact that he has either been there. He has connections there, whatever. And so some of those search warrants are a little harder to get.

But nowadays, you know, unfortunately law enforcement, especially federal law enforcement, can kind of do whatever they want to. And especially the ATF. And for those that are listening to the end of this, we're going to talk a lot about what. maybe and how all of this is going to unfold as far as politically, constitutionally, all of that. Well, I was just going to add real quick to that before. Henry did say their family has thousands of acres of woods. So he could be anywhere. But what was interesting to me when I was reading up on all this is they found his car at the boat ramp.

So that made me believe or led me to believe, well, maybe he was trying to escape. boat but then when Henry said there's not really any place to go from there yeah yeah maybe he placed his car at the boat ramp to make them think that he went on boat rather than him being in the woods no I agree with that yeah I mean it to me it sounds like it's more of a ploy right but you know you at least got to look at it this way like if he drove from the last known location which would have been the second location where he or he shot right and then drove to this boat ramp which but would have been at night, by the way, and then took off on foot from that ramp,

obviously not being in the water, but took up on foot from the ramp, then he's going to, number one, make authorities think possibly that he could have had a boat there, but authorities are already going to be looking for every boat that is registered to him, and they're going to see if they can find all those boats.

If they can locate all those boats, then they're probably knowing this is a ploy that he's just trying to make them believe that the boats in the, of water. So they're going to know that pretty immediately. And I want to go back to the timeline for just a minute when it happened yesterday. He walked into the bowling alley at 658. He shot for approximately to my timeline, what I can see, maybe two or three minutes.

He was at the bowling alley because then he goes to the bar and grill. It takes 10 minutes to get there, but he made it there 12 minutes later. So that's telling me he was in the bowling alley for two minutes. And I think he knew what he was doing. he was looting police because he was not there more than two minutes, you know. You think about somebody going in and trying to shoot up whatever, you know, a movie theater or whatever. They're in there more than two minutes and that's how they get caught. He obviously was, he, I think this, you know, like, I don't think Henry thought he planned this out,

but I think this was a well-planned out organization that he had in his mind. He knew he couldn't be there long. You know, I also was reading about the magazine. how there was a lot of people or a lot of scientific experts that were saying that he possibly taped these magazines. Yeah, whatever. He taped these magazines together so that, you know, they could just keep going faster. Yeah. Yeah, and by the way, I want to give a quick update here.

Law enforcement officers yelled, you are under arrest, hands in the air at a residence that is connected to Robert Cards. So obviously what it sounds like there are journalists outside of the, this home and they're listening to everything that's going on. It is an active situation right now. It sounds like they actually may be potentially interacting with the suspect now. Officers specifically shouted Robert's name, it says. The incident happened at the location connected to Card in Bowden, Maine. And officers previously left the area before coming back a short time later.

Card is a suspect in obviously the mass shooting, what this article says. So they were already here. They left. And then they came back. and there's also another statement. We would like to speak to you, they said. Walk to the front of the truck with nothing in your hands. We want to do this safely for you and everyone else.

A law enforcement officer could be heard yelling. So it sounds like they know he's there, and this sounds like it is at a property that he's connected to. So has he been there the whole time? That's confusing to me. Well, we don't know. Because he could easily have been in the woods or hiding, you know, just off the property, whatever.

What I do find interesting now is the fact that they were at this property earlier. They left. And maybe they left for a reason. Oh, maybe they wanted to see if he would come back because once they were done. Because they're doing the flash bangs and all that stuff. Yeah, yeah. So maybe he thought, look, you know, I'm good now. They left.

They cleared this area and they're gone. But you have to understand. And in particular, they have drones with, with Fleer imagery on them. they have drones with infrared. They have these things flying all over the place. But the problem with the drones is the forest area. But listen, this picture that I'm looking at right now, which can be seen of where this house and property is.

Is it pretty clear? Yeah, it's wide open. I mean, so it's like there are wooded, or wooded. There is the wood line around the property, but it is a wide open spot. So, yeah, if it also understanding that law enforcement has drones that are very quiet. Unlike some of the drones you can find and buy. You hear the motors and whatnot.

Law enforcement has drones that are extremely quiet and especially the larger drones which are, you know, they've got really good technology with that stuff now. And then now they can also equip them with cameras that are basically live stream to a device or whatever the case is, which you can do

that with regular drones now. But what I guarantee you potentially happen, if Robert is at this house, law enforcement left. Robert probably thought that they were gone for good. And this drone or whatever was probably right above the area. And they're going to use a drone over a helicopter or something. Because if a helicopter is flying over, obviously, he's probably not going to move.

Because he's going to know that's what they're doing. But if you have literally a drone that you don't know is up there and you're like, okay, I'm safe. And then you start walking out and then that fleer or whatever. Well, thermals capture you, right. You're done. And then they put the, you know, the spotlight on you and whatever with the helicopter. Helicopter.

Oh, my God. Set it wrong. I want to back up, too, to the bowling alley. We see these still shots of him coming into the bowling alley with the gun. It looks like his cargo pants are packed with ammo. Yeah. What is weird to me is usually when you see a scene like this, you get live footage or you get video footage. like right after it happens.

It's out there on the internet somehow. Oh, I literally just heard a comment. I responded to a comment on X about this earlier. And I want to know, why have we not seen any of the live video footage of him going into the bowling alley? Not even live. It's just... Or not live. Like, just the footage.

Well, the reason why is because, number one, if you look at the timeline, he was literally... Two minutes. Which we're going to go over the timeline in the intro of this podcast, which we still got to do an intro of this. but yeah he had two minutes basically at each location or at the very least at the first location because from the time it took him at the first location to get drive to the bar and grill right because it was the bowling alley first bar and grill second he had two minutes inside of that location if he was going to make it to the other location from the time he started shooting if it takes him 10 minutes to get there yeah yes it takes them 10 minutes to get there so the reason why

there's no video of this is because when someone's walking in with an AR and shooting the hell out of everything. Everyone was trying to survive. That's what they were doing. They were fleeing for their lives to survive. And so people are not taking out their freaking phones. And trust me, people do this all the time, but it's in completely different scenarios. It is in a scenario where it is a large area, say a mall.

There's someone outside in the parking lots that are taking a outside shot of someone shooting up right inside the mall or outside the mall. But this is probably not huge area. and when this dude's walking in, he's shooting. I mean, there was one guy that said, you know, he survived because he literally threw himself down the bowling alley, which is, you know, waxed. Because he was getting his shoes on, getting ready to bowl, and he was barefooted and going down there, and he got up on top of the pins, basically.

Yeah, which was a waxed lane. He said he went all the way down to the pins because you're going to slide down through there. And he said he climbed up above the pins and up on a, you know, basically a rack type deal. But what I'm thinking, though, Chad, I know people don't have time to get their phones and video, but would they have not had some kind of security video footage? Yeah, but you're not going to see that online. No, I mean, you're not going to, obviously, you're not going to see that online.

So do you think they have video footage? We're just not seeing it because it's not coming from somebody's personal phone. Yeah, they're obviously not. Because as soon as the police get there at a bowling alley, they're confiscating that footage, and you're not seeing it until unless they want you to see, which they never will obviously release a mass. shooting footage. Right.

Yeah. So, I mean, the only way we really see stuff like that is like people that are just recording stuff, which by the way,

so many people do nowadays and it's so damn annoying. Instead of helping someone that's getting their ass kicked, the elderly person, or whatever it is, they just video.

And they're cowards. And that's who those people are. But most people in this situation were trying to survive. I mean, they weren't pulling out their freaking phones. Because if they would have,

right. Well, I'm not even going to say it. But I'm just saying if they're pulling out their phone, phones, then, you know, you kind of deserve to be shot if you would rather, you know. Right. And I want to mention, too, this night that he decided to go to the bowling alley was a youth night. This was a youth night bowling league kind of thing. There was a bunch of kids there. I'm just wondering, because I know he frequented this place before, because he heard voices about people talking about him at the bowling alley and at the bar and grill.

Yeah. But why would he pick the night where there are children there more than adults? I don't know. I mean, that's a good question. He may not have picked that night necessarily in particular. You know, he may not have even known that. It was just that he had a bone to pick with whoever was there. And that was the way that went.

I'm sorry, I'm trying to, I'm going to patch in Fox through here. And I'm just going to see kind of what they're saying currently because it is an active situation right now. 748? 7.48 p.m. Let's see what they're saying right now. I know there's a guy on here talking, let's see. He probably accessed that insurance.

And I wouldn't be shocked at all. In fact, I would almost expect that we're going to hear he had meds. He didn't take them or he had stopped taking them because he didn't like the side effects. You always see that. And, you know, it's just an anecdotal observation I'm going to make now because you have the image up on the screen. But if you notice, he's a lot thinner. the stills, the video stills, from when he enters the bowling alley, then he looks in that driver's license photo. One of the gripes that the mentally ill always have about the meds

is that it makes them gain weight. And if he's very, very slim, again, just speculation, but if he's down 20, 30 pounds for some reason, you know, it could be that he's off his meds. So I think that's very common. The problem is, once again, it becomes very hard to enforce this. There's a law in New York, Kendra's law, that came out of the fact that somebody who wasn't taking their meds pushed somebody in front of a subway car. It's just tough to enforce. It's a real rigmarole. It gets very legalistic. People lawyer up.

They don't like it. And everybody's trying to do the right thing. But the bottom line is we really don't have the levers. Well, our photographer, gentlemen, actually just got footage of the authorities making this announcement moments ago. Let's listen very carefully. Let's listen. We need to talk to you outside. walk to the front of the truck in the driveway with your hands up and nothing in your hands.

Come out of the house now with nothing to your hands in the air. Well, it's kind of difficult to hear it there, but you get the gist. Come out with nothing in your hands. Ted, the grievance that seems to... All right, so we'll continue to kind of monitor that, but it sounds like they know or believe he's there. Like I said, it could be from a drone after they left. Trust me, someone was watching that property. They're not going to leave a property that's connected to a suspect.

with no one watching it. And unfortunately, for him, yeah. And I want to bring up a point that the guy, I think it was a former NPD, whatever. But he makes a great point. Yeah. He makes a great point that he does look very thin. You know, he's got combat kind of looking close.

You can tell his pockets are full with ammunition. Darn it. Sorry, I'm so like, But he also, you can tell his hair is grown out. He has a beard. He does not look like his normal self that Henry was saying he looks like. No, I agree. He said normally he didn't have facial hair.

His hair was always short. It doesn't look like the same person that Henry knew. No, I agree. All right. So we are, we're still covering this, obviously. They are multiple agencies, by the way, are surrounding this house right now. This is the word we're getting at 7.5. 5.m. here on the East Coast, so 753 p.m. multiple agencies are said to be surrounding the house.

And this is probably assumably FBI, ATF, local agencies, state. And so on, helicopters circling just above the suspect's home as well, which is very strange. You know, the reality this is, is he going to go peacefully or did he intend for it to end at his home? And, you know, that's the thing. I do want to bring up to, we had had a podcast episode with Sherry what she was saying about the SSRIs, essentially, is what Fox News was saying. You know, Fox News is saying, hey, you know, he got skinnier. We know that SSRIs can cause weight gain. If he quit taking these, maybe that's potentially why, you know, he lost weight.

Now, if this guy's on SSRIs, in my opinion, that's more of a potential reason why he had a mental break. and did this, than it is that he went off of his medicine necessarily. You know, we had talked about this with SSRIs in general. I mean, if you look at mass shooters, especially young adults from, you know, age 13 to 20, you know, SSRIs drastically affect their mind. I think they always have. We had heard about this with Zoloft back when, even when it was probably 1999 to 2000, when there was this uptick in the not only suicides from from zoloft i believe it was at that time because i was actually on zoloft around that same time as well and i personally had a very very

oh i'm not going to sugarcoat it it was a suicidal time in my life and um and uh and i was on zoloft at the time that happened so and this was also during the time that it was coming out that it was it was making this adolescent age people do these things that kill themselves right now there wasn't as many school shootings back then, but, you know, there was, that's kind of when school shootings first started because, Collumbine. Columbine was the first. In Colorado, which was like 20 minutes from where I lived. Yeah, no, you're 100% right.

Yeah, it was, it was, um, Columbine was the first. This was literally, similarly around the same time. What, what year was Columbine? It had to been late 90s or, okay, I thought it was, I thought it was. 92, 94, somewhere in there. I don't remember, but it was in the 90s. I know that. That was the first thing.

And to this year, let me just tell you, it is getting like more and more and more because this is the 37th mass shooting of the year for this year. It was 1999. Oh, gosh, I'm way off. Sorry, 1999. Wow. Yeah, I thought it was late 99 because I remember I was in high school. I was in high school. And keeping in mind, when I had that suicidal thing, when I was on Zoloft, it was about the exact same time, the Columbine thing happened.

And this was also when SSRIs and they were really pushing it on teenagers and all this stuff. Right. And so we got to look back of this. And to your point, I mean, I'm sure there's maybe been other mass shootings to some degree. But Columbine was really the first major in the United States. I mean, to any degree that we talk about. And this was the age of less push SSRIs on every kid we can possibly get them on. Right.

And so going back to this, I mean, I know that the media, which is. Trust me, Fox News or other, you know how heavily funded they are with farm, just like we talked to John Leak, which you guys will hear that interview as well. But when you talk about not only the military industrial complex, but the biofarmaceutical complex and how much influence they have over the media, what the media should be saying like Fox News and all the rest of them is, well, we need to look at SSRIs and see like what his history was on these things and all of this stuff. Because once you're on SSRIs and you try to come off of SSRIs, that can absolutely screw you. Yeah, I have done that myself. And I'm just telling you, I went through like periods of hallucinations. I cried all day for days. It was very, very hard.

But the way I went off of it, too, which a lot of these people do, they just go cold turkey. And that's not the way you can do that. You have to, if you're going off these medications, you have to slowly decrease your amount. of intake and then get off them. But I was like one of the ones that, you know, I was on full prescription medications and then it just abruptly stopped. And that's when I had a lot of issues. I had the brain zaps.

I had hallucinations. I had all kinds of like really scary things going on. And it was a scary time. And it did make me feel suicidal as well. Yeah. I mean, I remember there were nights that I, when I was on that stuff growing up, you know, that my parents took me to the doctor and, you know, I didn't have the best childhood at all. You didn't either.

Right. But, yeah, it didn't have a good childhood. So what did the mass media tell their parents to do? Take them to a doctor and get them on this medication. It'll help everything. Your childhood can be complete shit. As long as you give your kid this pill, they'll be fine. Don't worry about them.

And then over the course of years and years, we have seen that I believe, potentially, the result of what SSRIs can literally do to the brain and chemical imbalance that they supposedly said is the reason why we actually take SSRIs but there's been recent reports that show that the chemical imbalance is bullshit. There's actually no such thing necessarily as a chemical imbalance.

I mean, there are studies that are really showing this. Okay, Chad. Now, listen, I'm not on them then. No, I'm not saying that I'm saying that in particular. I know that adults are on things that help them for whatever reason it is. And I do know that

adults are on medication that truly does help them in whatever way that may be. Because obviously he's an adult. He's 40 years old. He's not a kid. I know. But the point of this is if he did get off his medication too, that can drastically. But keeping in mind, someone that's never taken to medicine, right? Let's just put it this way.

Someone that had say that, and we don't even know, by the way, that he's even on medicine. But we're just saying based on that premise. Based on he went to the mental hospital for two. weeks. Yeah. Which also, I mean, there's a huge possibility that they put him on some very strong shit and sent him out the door. And then he was at some point during that time said, F this.

I'm not taking this. Maybe he tried it for a week, a week and a half. Got and you can get hooked enough. Your system can get hooked enough in a week and a half or two on medications like this to where you get off of it and it could literally make you go crazy. But obviously, he was already kind of going through some shit earlier. if he had been to the VA said the things that he had said

that we had talked about earlier, more than likely they were going to put him on some type of antidepressant or whatever and if you struggle with coming on and off that shit, it's going to make you go crazy. But my question is

to this, is like if you never would have put this person on an antidepressant to begin with, would he have ever murdered people? That's what we don't know. And was he on an antidepressant before he even went to the mental hospital?

That's something we've got to look at too. Because I guarantee our friends on the the left are going to blame gun control on this situation and not mental health issues. Yeah, I mean, we're going to definitely talk about that for sure. Let's listen to Jesse Waters' intro right here for a second. Let's see what they have to say. Underway for a man who mass occurred over a dozen people in the state of Maine.

Robert Card, 40 years old, is the primary suspect in a mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine that left 18 people dead, 13 injured. At this moment, authorities, including FBI SWAT teams, using robots and drones, have surrounded his home in Bowden, Maine. They're serving a search warrant. Police helicopters are up above. Loud bangs were reported from the house. We believe they may have been flash grenades deployed by law enforcement. Police on bullhorns have been heard saying, walk out with your hands up. It's the same clip they played earlier.

So, you know, and according to, by the way, Fox News, the actual article, they said they left and returned. There's something to be said about that. How Jesse Waters is reporting this is it's like they've been there the whole time. And if that's the case, that's different, but I don't believe that's the case. I think they did leave. I think they cleared it. Yeah, I think they did too. That's what I think, at least from what it sounds like.

And there are multiple reports about that. And they're telling him, you know, we guarantee your safety. you know, you're going to be safe if you come out. We know what's going on with you. We care about you. But this is what they're saying right now. Yeah. Like they're trying to coerce Robert out of the residence.

So I believe like they 100% think he's there right now. Yeah. And, you know, the ATF is there. You know, I still firmly believe in abolished ATF. That should be an actual thing. ATF should not exist. I think it's unconstitutional agency 100%. Now I've went back and forth to this stuff

on X the past few days. Multiple people, just multiple morons in my opinion. Idiocracy is what it is. And look, Joe Biden one hour ago, in the wake of yet another tragedy, I urge Republican lawmakers in Congress to fulfill the duty to protect the American people who work with us to pass a bill

banning assault weapons in high-capacity, magazines. Enact universal background checks in more. Let's ban assault weapons. And literally, there's a picture. They got a graphic on there and everything. Ban, underscored, assault weapons. And this is what they're going to push. They're going to continue to push this. They're going to do this. This is something that they want desperately to take away from you. And by the way, this is on the backside, the back end of Israel, where they literally had terrorists going house to house murdering people. Yes, that they have no weapons to protect themselves. Most of them do not. And so I understand the problem, which is people that have mental issues, whatever those issues are why.

Yeah, they shouldn't. Right. But you also got to be careful with how you try to enact a law to stop people, quote, unquote, mentally unstable from gaining firearms. Because the reality is that they could abuse the hell out of that power. If you pass a sweeping ban on anyone that possibly has a mental condition. So say that you might just be depressed. Say that you have anxiety attack. Say that you have anything that possibly could go towards a mental type of disorder.

And they pass some type of sweeping law that says, hey, he's too mental to have weapons. Sorry, he's not allowed. So say that you go to a gun store, you want a gun store or you want a gun. And say that you've ever been prescribed antidepressant, an anxiety medication, although you would never go out and kill and mass murder people. at the very least that's what they're going to try to push for and they're going to abuse the shit out of it and they already kind of do this with the red flag laws

I think Maine has what's called the yellow flag yeah yellow flag law or whatever and that just basically means that authorities can't come out and say or give warnings but your family can yeah family could do it whatever but his family didn't but during Henry's interview

his brother wanted to go and get rid of the guns he just didn't have time he said, well, I mean, he was hospitalized in July. It's now, you know, the end of October, almost November. Yeah. So I know that the family suspected something was up with him, especially when he threatened that he was going to a military base and he was going to, like, blow up people. And we've also, like what we said before, he, we have seen quotes that he said the army

ruined his life somehow. I don't know what's actually going on with that, but I think this. could be a big portion of why he did what he did. And also going back to the sister-in-law talking about he kept hearing things in his mind or whatever. But she said, you know, I'm interpreting. She was saying, is it real or is it not? Because at the time he had hearing loss and he got these hearing aids. And when he got the hearing aids, he swore he could hear everyone because he couldn't hear him before.

And you imagine if you're deaf or you can't hear good And you hear no surrounding things And all of a sudden you can hear everything You know He said he could hear people talking crap about him Yeah, it makes my mind I know it's it kind of makes my mind In a little ounce go conspiracy on that

I don't know why I was thinking about it the whole time But I was like damn what if they program like people Talking shit about this dude And they knew and they knew already he was suicidal Slash wanting to kill people I don't know but But would that be crazy It's just weird that happened to him.

Yeah. You know, and what caused his hearing loss? And, you know, is that the time where he kind of went on the other side? Yeah. You know, in July. Is that when he got the hearing aids? Is that when it actually happened? Was he experiencing mental things before, during, or after?

I mean, these are all big questions we have to ask. No. But as far as, like, the weapon control thing, it's never going to change. people like Robert Card are going to get weapons in their hands. He was military. He had all kinds of ways to get weapons. No matter if they're illegal or not legal.

He's going to have a weapon. Do you want to take weapons away from people that are like normal people? No, of course you don't. Yeah. Saying you can't have these automatic blah, blah, blah. Well, I mean, well, today as of October the 26th, the same day we're recording us. I mean, there was a active shooter supposedly on

at some more in New Jersey. In New Jersey, yeah. And it's just like, you know, but that doesn't fit in narrative. So you kind of forgot about that story. I don't even know what happened on that. They've not even talked about it anymore. Yeah. But I'm just saying all these people,

and it's like Pierce Morgan, for example. You know, he's from Britain, and they don't have a lot of weapons in Britain, and they don't have a lot of massacres or massacres or whatever. They don't have a lot of that. But my point... Well, but they do, actually. I mean, they still have a shit. Are you talking about Britain, like UK?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It is a shit show over there. I mean, people get stabbed all the time. There's terrorists everywhere. I mean, so they are absolutely not people that need to be talking. I mean, you talk about people that in the UK.

I mean, there are so many cities that people won't even go to anymore because of how dangerous it is. Really? I mean, who was it? Who was it saying this? Oh, yeah, there was someone that Andrew Tate had on his podcast recently. and this guy had went to was Afghanistan he's one of those like travel vloggers

to where he goes to all the war-torn countries and this crazy shit to where like you know they want to kill the shit out of Americans or UK whatever and this guy goes there and he just I think this one particular person happened to go there during the withdrawal of Afghanistan and this was when the time and this country was going to absolute shit

and so when Andrew Tate was interviewing them, though. He said, well, the one, there's, there's, there's cities in the UK that I will not go to before Afghanistan. Like, that's how, that is how dangerous that area is, but what they want you to believe is because we took away guns from law Biden citizens, this place is so much safer. It isn't. The UK is way worse than the United States. I mean, there are, there are places you cannot go over there. I mean, and our listeners in the UK can probably tell us all those cities. So they're not having, like, massacres. with guns, but they're having it with other weapons? Is that what you're saying? Well, it's not even just that.

It's not even just, well, I mean, there's violent crime is rampant in so many places. I mean, you're talking about massive amounts of violent crime. So it's almost like a Chicago. Yes. Well, no, it's like a, it's like a city where a law of Biden citizens are not allowed to technically have, which, like Chicago, law of Biden citizens, they have some of the strictest gun laws in Chicago, San Francisco, Los Angeles. In the states of the United States.

Yeah. New York. And so all these places are literally soft zones for robbers, for people that want to carjack you, for people don't want to beat this shit out of you, for people that want to hit you in the back of the head with cement blocks or a baseball bat or whatever. Because they have no problem doing that because they know your ass ain't armed. They're in a city. It's like a playground for criminals because they know that the chances of anyone being armed in a city that has the strictest gun laws is zero. to none. And this is what's

happening in the UK. This is what happens anywhere you take away guns. Even if you could foreseeably take away guns from everyone, which you can't do, especially in the United States, over anywhere in the world. Oh, and especially criminals. They're going to be the first ones to have them. But that's what I'm saying. Even if you did take away guns

from everyone, say that you could somehow evaporate guns out of the United States. Well, then you're just going to have more murders, more violent crime, and more everything, because they know that no one's armed and they're just going to use weapons that they make or design or whatever, and it's never going to end. And it never has.

Since the beginning of civilization, people have used weapons to kill other people. This is the way it has always been in biblical days. So, I mean, it's not like it's going to change now. And the reality is, is like, are people right now in Maine safer with a killer on the loose if they're armed or unarmed? You tell me, if you're sheltered in a place in your house and you have a killer on the loose with an AR-15 that had just killed 18 people, would you rather than you rather do you feel safer unarmed or armed just tell me and he could easily let's just say he was out

there he could easily shoot through your window or anything come right in your house and you're not safe without a weapon yeah you got it yeah you got to be armed um so yeah so there's a standoff it sounds like potentially at his house um guys we're gonna end it here i know we could do this forever but we're gonna record the intro i know we we kind of do this ass backwards we kind of always do this We usually record the intro after, especially with an interview. But we'll do a quick intro and get it out there. Well, we'll do the intro, but we got to, on the intro, obviously, you've already heard this. You've already heard the intro, so I know I'm about to explain it to you.

But so guys, thank you so much for listening to another Investigator Earth podcast. We love you guys. We will continue to follow this story. We have a lot more great episodes coming your way. Obviously, the Israel and Middle East conflict and the United States basically involvement in this conflict is is is rapidly intensifying right um so we're going to have a lot of episodes on that but guys until next time we love you and uh the name of this song is shitty train because it seems like that's where we're on in this world today and peace out and keep your weapons all right guys

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