Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Mark Hays Murder Conspiracy Podcast | New Shocking Updates |Mark Hays Mother Interview

Episode Date: April 7, 2022

The Mark Hays murder and the events that would follow is nothing short of a conspiracy. Is this just complete ignorance on the part of the law enforcement or something much more sinister?

Marquay's is a 26-year-old normal guy. Sure, he had his problems, but that don't justify him being murdered in cold blood. Many believe this stem from a drug deal gone bad. They called him a narque, and for that, he was murdered. Not only did they murder him, they filmed it. This story is not only about the murder of Marquez, but the possible corruption surrounding the investigation. Is this a case of a small town covering up what really happened that day?

This series will investigate the murder? possible corruption, and how this is probably not an isolated case throughout the United States. Stay tuned. Hello, hello, and welcome to Investigator the podcast. I'm your host, Chad, alongside my wife, Sherry. Say hello, Sherry, to the world that we've missed for a little while. Yeah, we have definitely missed you guys, and we have seen comments, so we are so sorry, but we are back, and I think we're back to stay this time, Chad.

Yes, we are. We've just been, like I said, extremely busy. I do apologize, but I know there's a lot of craziness going on in the world. We pretty much completely missed a Will Smith slap and all that. Thank God. We missed that. I think enough people have talked about that. But welcome, welcome, guys.

We thank you all for joining us. This is a continuing series of the Marquay's murder. We have covered this, I believe, on two episodes now, if I'm not mistaken. I think we have two episodes on this. Yes, so if you've not heard them, you need to go back and listen to the first two. Yeah. But for some, you know, we'll give a little bit of a recap here. We won't go into necessarily all of the details.

And I think my mic is just a little bit low. So I want to make sure. Sound a little louder. There we go. We won't go into absolutely everything we went into in the previous two episodes. But, you know, we'll give a little bit of a recap. We're also going to be talking on Mark Hayes' mother tonight. And we're going to just kind of get her viewpoint on kind of what she's been dealing with, how the investigation has been, what has been her process and trying to, you know, dig for answers and try to, you know, solve this.

I mean, you know, obviously we've only done two, now three episodes on this. But, you know, I know, Sherry, you've been in contact with you more so, obviously I, but you've been in contact with Mark's mother for a while now. Oh, yeah, for like years. Yeah, and so it's, you know, just us as podcasters, people looking on the outside is tough. It's tough because it seems like there's so many things so close, but yet so far. Right, exactly. And I think that's... It's just heartwrenching.

Like, you're so close and you have so much things that you can be going on or they can be going on and it's still unsolved. And, you know, I remember when the anniversary came up for Pauline where the five-year mark, happened, you know, it really, it hit her hard. It hit her hard because that was like when it officially became a cold case is after five years. And it's been like five years in four or five months now. And there's still no answers. Yeah. And it's just heart wrenching for me for her.

Well, here's the thing about the no answers thing. So let's just briefly, I'll give a brief, brief, very brief, I guess synopsis of what happened. Mark Hayes was murdered. in this small town in Arkansas by the name of Malvern. That's where him and his family live. This is where the investigation has kind of centered around as Malvern, Arkansas. Also in his Hot Springs County, I guess, is the county it resides in. I'm not mistaken.

And so when Mark was murdered, you know, they didn't find his body until some time later. Yeah. And he was murdered what month? It was like four months. So, yeah, four months. August. No, never. I'm pretty sure. It's been a lot. And then it was just kind of what happened after that. And it wasn't just Mark that was murdered around this same time frame. There were a couple other people. Yeah. And, you know, where all this kind of went screwy was the amount of evidence that just based on everything, we've, you know, heard, we've talked to so many people during this whole process. you know recently talked to more people and kind of talked about the handling of evidence and how the evidence was handled and was it handled the way it was as far as the integrity of the evidence on purpose so that possibly things couldn't be admissible in court there were evidence that got lost and whatever they claim and Jerry's going to talk about that in a minute but but Mark's murder was

you know, many people knew about it. Many people, I believe, were it was there when it happened. There was, I mean, this is almost kind of like one of those things that, say one of the worst things that can happen. You know, we've heard of, for example, girls getting raped in high school and or they get completely drunk. And then there's guys, and we've actually heard cases of this, but guys would, videotape, them raping her, be dumb enough to then pass this video around, not only, you know, completely humiliating the girl, it's, you know, herself, but, but just the fact that they had the balls to do this. And this was kind of like, what it seemed like was, the whole Marquay's thing was kind of being passed around of, you know, whether or not the murder itself, and you can actually see the murder, whatever, you know, who knows, but. But there was a videotape thing. Yeah, there was a video, yeah.

Passed around of that time, and people were passing around, and all of a sudden, that disappeared. Yeah. So anyways, so there's a lot of evidence that was kind of from what we believe mishandled. During this time, there was also a sheriff change. There was an outgoing sheriff, a new incoming sheriff, and so. But the outgoing sheriff was only sheriff for two months. So they had that case for two months.

And during that two months, they set up a humongous war room with both the Cooper murder and Hayes murder. And they had stuff plastered all over the walls. Just of two months in investigation. Well, unfortunately, they got voted out or whatever. And so the new team came in. From what we heard, just wiped out the room. Wiped out the room. Yeah.

And so, and for those of you to don't know what a war room is, is basically something you would kind of just put it in your brain. It's something you would kind of see on like a television series with law enforcement to where, you know, especially, I'm not saying it's as sophisticated as, say, NCIS or something that you go and they go in this room and they've got all these things everywhere. I don't know what their war room look like, but just put down your head. They got pictures and ties to people and associates and this and this and this. Just trying to put everything in vision, in view to where you can physically see it. You know, and it's one of the things, it's like, if I don't write something down necessarily, or especially if I'm trying to put something in order, like, for example, when I do a video, when I edit video, for me, it helps to write scripts, you know, especially if I do voiceover stuff, because then when you write it, you can,

I write in paragraphs, right, or sections. But then I can look at this and then kind of put them where I want them, but it also helps me guide me through the storyline. visually, yeah. And really murder investigations and things like that is a storyline. It is. And you want to figure out who are the main players, who's the main actors, who is the supporting cast of this. I mean, and the only way you can really truly do that is a war room. So when the outgoing sheriff was going out, the new incoming sheriff was coming in,

from the way it sounded like, they basically just kind of said, screw this room and anything you have in it, we don't really care. I'm not saying I don't really care I'm just saying the room was gone and there's a big blame game back and forth between the evidence yeah the evidence what happened with the evidence from that time from the outgoing sheriff

to the incoming sheriff we have talked to some people that talked about the integrity of evidence some of these people that we've talked to are you know I'm not going to go into who any of these people are but I just will say that I guess their integrity

as far as when they tell me this is very high because of, you know, just it is. So handling of evidence and how all that stuff possibly happened and we're going to get it more into the integrity of evidence part later. But Sherry, I want you to go ahead and get

the thing that you're going to read because I want to That's what I was going to do, but but anyway, So, yeah, there's a big debate right now between the two sheriffs, or I guess the old sheriff's not, it's not really a debate now. But what I'm saying is each one blamed the other. And for how the evidence was lost, how certain evidence was not admissible, how certain evidence was this or this or that. And the reality is, is that it, based on everyone we've kind of talked to as far, as why evidence was either, I guess, not really lost, lost, misplaced, destroyed, whatever the case is.

It doesn't, just based on all of the witnesses or people that kind of knew this type of stuff, it absolutely didn't sound like it was the outgoing sheriff. That is the reason why most of this evidence is either. Right. And it's, like you said, it's a blame game here. Yeah. And, you know, there's so many residents. I'm just going to say this comes from directly Facebook Hot Springs County Sheriff's Office. These are the people that are in charge of the investigation of the murder of Mark Hayes.

So this is there a statement they released? This is a statement that they released like five days ago, I think, six days ago about the information about the Mark Hayes murder. And let me just clarify that the previous administration was there for two months. they've been there for the last five years. So they've had five years to conduct whatever interviews, whatever things they need to do to get the evidence they need to get. But I just, I really found this statement like, wow. So they have all these statements.

And I guess there's a bunch of stuff going on about social media with their latest deputy, you know, about the deputy. Yeah, you were telling me about that last night. I still don't know what exactly you're talking about. This guy was found to be unjust on his physical actions with. Okay, yeah, the video. There's a video that came out of an officer. Is it Malvern Police Department?

No, it's Hot Springs. Okay, Hot Springs, sorry. Deputy Winbury. Yeah, Deputy Winbury. And what happened with that? And I guess it was a very bad video when it came out. Right. And people are just like saying, why did you give him a pat on a back and give him a raise or whatever?

instead of doing something and disciplinary. So anyways, they're talking about that. You know, the police, the sheriff department is saying what happened in this investigation, what they did wrong. But anyways, on the number eight bullet, that's where I was like, wow, I want you to just listen to this. Should I read? You know how I do. Well, you'll read it?

Okay. So they basically have a bullet note of kind of all the things about all this crazy. About this social media thing that's going on, everybody's spreading rumors about this sheriff department. And one of them, number eight, is strongly towards Mark Hayes' murder. You know what I do find funny is number seven. It says, if the judges, prosecutors, sheriff, lawyers, and officers. And keep in mind, this is from Hot Springs County Sheriff's Office. Number seven, says, if the judges, prosecutors, sheriff, lawyers, and officers are corrupt,

why has the Arkansas state police or the FBI not come in to take over and indict all of them? I mean, it's just weird the Sheriff's Department post this. They would even post that. Yeah. Number eight, it says the previous administration had shoddy investigations that initially led to continued efforts of many man-hours in the Cooper and Hayes murder. Many case files were displaced, destroyed, or neglected, and computers were erased as the administration changed. Evidence was lost or stolen, quote, from the evidence lockers resulting in narcotics dealers walking free. Okay.

You know, and like I said, I'm not saying for sure of anything of any of that, but based on a lot of people I've talked to, I don't think that's the way it went. That's at least what I will say. And it just sounds like, you know, look, when you have an entire town, there is more people. I want you just to read some of these comments on their official Facebook. I won't say names. I won't say names to this Hold on I'm looking

No but I've already This one Okay Someone said Only reason this stuff was lost Is because you've done something to it I remember when y'all had a gun In the evidence room

And took it Y'all over an hour or longer To find it And that was under your administration So what do you have to say about that? Nothing has got better Every time I turn around I see one of your officers

hid off something doing something the last one was out and Bismarck hid next to a bunch of cars at shop. Someone said this is April Fool's Day. I mean, but if you go down, this is actually on their Facebook page and if you go down and see all the residents that live there, there's maybe three like positive comments and the rest are like, what are you doing here? Yeah. You know, to me, that speaks volumes.

when you have a whole county of residents. Yeah, and so this officer, Winbury, by the way, was found, he was found in violation after the first incident. So he had numerous incidents. Right. The first one, he was found, you know, basically to whatever, and they gave more promotion. So someone that said, why would you give him a promotion?

Is this a reward for bad behavior? Out of Winbury's many instances, how many of those were you present for? And there were written complaints, what happened to them, encrypted radios or not really isn't the issue. Wait a minute. Back up real quick, though, because there are people stating that their sheriff was at the place at the time of these interactions with people that were illegal.

Yeah. With the... Which we don't know that for sure. Yeah. But didn't exactly understand what you were blabbing about. A Hot Springs County Sheriff's Office is in the compliance, then why don't we have grants for additional deputies? Don't think the FBI investigation is over yet.

It's number seven. number eight is why I blamed the previous administration for lost evidence when the evidence wasn't really lost. Why not just admit you choose not to do anything with the evidence instead of saying it lost or stolen? And these are many, many residents that live in this area. Yeah. And you know, this is not just one person, you know? Yeah, I mean, there's tons of people in here. It's, you know, that's the thing is the reason we chose to do this episode and one of the people I was talking to you last night.

I said, you know, one of the reason we chose to do this is because, number one, you know, if we can obviously help Pauline and the family of the Hayes family and all of them to find closure somehow on this, obviously we want to do that. We've talked to so many people during this, and, you know, we've dug pretty deep in certain areas, and, you know, we continue to do so. but it's not you know if there's one thing that regardless of whether or not we find out who killed marquay's for sure regardless and they are locked up i don't think that it is possible that that county isn't corrupt and something needs to be done and and that's why we want to keep putting pressure on this department and this entire town because it's towns like this

that are so that are pretty small and unfortunately when you have towns that are so small like that they feel like they can get away with a lot because you know they don't they just feel like it's the good old boy system you know this is that and to be quite honest you know we have a lot of craziness going on in South Carolina with the um

the murder of uh What the hell is their last name? I can't even think right now. Paul and Maggie and that whole situation. Oh, the Murdox. The Murdox.

Murdoch, yeah. But anyway, so he was a judge. I think we'd even talked about this on one of these other episodes. He wasn't a judge. He was an attorney. Solicitor, you name it, over five counties. His wife and son are dead. It's a giant piece of corruption that I think the corruption in that case is just so deep.

I mean, it spreads across counties. It could even spread possibly statewide. It is nuts how corrupt this is. And the thing is is that places like this put layers and layers and layers and layers to where, well, oh, we only, you know, you would have to pill back 30 layers to really get to how deep things are. Exactly. And even in this situation, you know, there's obviously things and names we can't say on the podcast for reasons. And I wish we could. I mean, we probably could.

But, you know, this goes pretty deep, possibly. It's really deep. And in this county. So it's just, we're kind of at a point now where there was also another shooting. Yeah. Which we don't know exactly 100%. And the kid just died. He died.

He was on life support. And this is in Malvern as well. Just happened. He was on life support for two weeks. they did a surgery and from the complications of surgery he died on his own but you know

it's just like there's been so many murders that have been unsolved in this county within even the last five months that nothing has been done about anything you know it's it's almost like they have a huge rug and they just want to sweep it under the rug

with everything and I just don't get it like they have zero speeding tickets in this country County of all last year, but they have all these murders and none of them are being solved. Yeah, most of them. I mean, except for, you know, I think the Susan Cooper and the only reason why her murder was solved is because she was an informant and the FBI took over. Yeah. Yeah, that's true.

The FBI took over that case. Because she was an informant. That's the only reason her case has been solved out of all these cases. Yeah. Now, what do you think is the situation? So now, did someone say this guy that died? What is his name? Do you remember his name?

Brandon Kreutz. Brandon Kreutz. So Brandon Kreitz got shot. How many times? Well, we don't know because, yeah. This is hearsay. Yeah, yeah. I heard.

Actually, that was not correct based on someone I had talked to. But yeah, so this guy gets shot by someone that is in this. town and whether or not we know who this guy exactly, you know, from what I've heard, they're saying something about it's accidental shooting. We've heard rumors that, you know, he was shot multiple times, whatever the case is, I don't know. But what I will say is that kind of that situation is we've heard that we've heard that, similar names, I'll put it that way. That kind of leads to all of this.

Exactly, yes. And this is not just from, I mean, this is from a lot of different people. That's what makes no sense is these names are constantly brought up over and over from people that are reaching out to us that, you know, want to remain unknown. You know, they don't want their names known, but it's the same names over and over and over. If we're getting the same names, you know the police have getting the same names. Yeah. What are they doing? I don't know nothing.

You know, we were trying to get in touch with Marquez's mother. We cannot get in touch with her right now. But one of the things I wanted to ask her was, you know, I think she told you kind of some of the updates as far as what she's been getting. When she's calling to get an update on this entire case, you know, they keep saying, well, we don't have anything else to go on right now. So we're working on other stuff. You know, the reality is, is that when a sheriff's department has to come on Facebook, like five days ago, and hit bullet points that are like eight, nine and ten bullet points long with reasons why they're not corrupt. Exactly. That should tell you something.

Yeah, it's like, it's like, if I had to release a statement on Facebook, me or us, investigate Earth or whatever the case is, and we had like not. bullet points of how we're not corrupt. Yeah, these are the things that happen and why they are. You don't see that in any sheriff department. No, you don't. And I think that speaks volumes. And I just went right on their

Facebook page and I was like, holy cow, I cannot believe. They're even releasing these statements. But I guess social media is so big and people, the residents, I think, are just fed up. They're tired. And they want cases solved. They want the crime to stop there.

Yeah, I mean, and look, you know, we've said this before, we've talked about on a previous podcast of the Marquay's thing, is we feel like, based on everyone we've talked to, we know who did it. Mm-hmm. And with pretty high confidence. Right. And, you know, is this town, for example, if you just go to the Sheriff's Department, you know, any small town, I mean, whether or not people are close and all this stuff is one thing. But any small town you have, you're going to have people that are going to be close-knit and they're going to talk. And they're going to call out BS and all that.

And so the same way the community is doing the Hot Springs County Sheriff's Department, if you go to their Facebook, the fact they have to release a 10-point bulletin thing. about all the things? Yeah, I mean, it's the same way. It's like people also talk that way in around the situations. So, you know, when we release a podcast, we say, hey, if you guys have any evidence,

if you know anything, and it's not just normal people. I mean, it's everyone. I mean, this is what small communities do. And small communities talk. They do talk. Yeah, no matter who you are. And also, for the people out there in this particular case, that, you know, if you're listening and you were involved,

the reason that we know you were involved is because of everyone talks. Everyone else knows. And by the way, yeah, by the way, like, you never know. You never know who you can really trust. And I want you, the person that did this and the people that knew and were involved in this, I want you to understand one thing is that some of the people we think you can trust, you can't. And I just want you to know that because we've talked to everybody. And that's something that sucks for you because eventually, eventually it's going to bite you in the ass.

And it's not going to be eventually long, I don't think. It's going to be eventually soon. Well, you've seemed to stay out of jail for the last five years, but we'll see. Yeah. And it's just, you know, so we'll see what's up. I think we have Pauline on the line with us. Pauline, can you hear us? Yes, sir.

Okay, awesome. This is Mark Hayes' mother, everybody, and Sherry and Pauline got involved, I guess, probably a couple years ago as far as trying to figure out the case. Pauline kind of told her story, and this was something that Sherry came to me about and, you know, and hearing everything. I was like, yeah, we definitely got to get involved in this. Pauline, tell us a little bit, I guess, about, you know, one of the things we can't do on the podcast is talk about who Mark was on, I guess, a personal. level like I feel like, yeah, I feel like I know him, but as a personal level. Who was Mark, you know, from a mother perspective? He was a funny, caring, just all around, would light up a room when he walked in.

His laugh was contagious. He always wanted everybody laughing. He cared about everybody. He tried to help everybody he could. Yeah. And did he, you know, growing up and all that, was he was, were you guys pretty close, like family, family was? Yes. He has a brother and a sister, and his little brother is 16 years younger than him.

Oh, wow. Okay. And he used to carry his little brother around on his shoulders everywhere he went. We'd done everything as a family. We were a very close family. Him and his dad worked on cars together. It was just, it was a typical family. We were close.

We ate together. We done everything together. Yeah. And so was, was his brother, does he have a brother and sister? He's a little brother. Yes. Yes, he has a little brother and a sister. Now, were they old enough to kind of know, like, and how old were they when he died?

Um, his sister would have been, um, well, she's six years younger than him. Um, his brother was 10 at the time. Oh, okay. I got you. So they definitely remember all that. And are they still, uh, dealing with it, you know, emotionally and all that? Uh, yeah, it's very difficult emotionally. His, uh, little brother, he, he seemed to be the worst. He got suicidal at one point. Um, uh, took him to church. He wouldn't talk to nobody. He finally started talking to me and talking to friends, and he's in a better place now. His sister has had severe emotional issues. We've had years of dealing with it, and of course I have my moments, and I get upset. The dad does.

I mean, it's been very emotionally draining on all of us. Now, yeah, so you have kids. Do you guys feel safe in Malvern where you guys live in your county? Do you feel like the county is a safe place to live at this point in time if something were to happen to any of you? No. No, I do not. And do you think that transcends to your kids at all? I mean, how do they feel about knowing that their brother was murdered? And yet nothing, I mean, obviously there's a lot of crazy stuff that's happened as far as everything following his murder.

And so even if you're taking him. 10 years old and you know you and you the years following you realize it's kind of scary when you start not being able to trust the people that you should be able to call and trust when something really bad goes wrong but especially if you think there is any type of negligence I'll say that to the very least but you know I it sounds like more than negligence to me what has been your story with the Hot Springs County Sheriff's Department. How has whatever you want to say, feel free. But what is your been, what is, what was your experience with the previous department versus now?

And because we just read, I don't know if you heard, but we just read their new Facebook post about all the 10 reasons why they're not corrupt. Yes. But what is the difference in the previous administration? Who's, who's telling the truth here in your opinion as far as who lost what? evidence. Give us your opinion on that. My opinion is if anything was lost or destroyed, it come from this administration, the Mike Cash administration. The last administration, I had a very good relationship with a detective that was on the case. We got along really well. Not to say I haven't gotten along with some of Mike Cash's detectives, I have. There was one that I didn't have any issues

with. He would work with me. If I got upset, he would call me, he would talk to me, he would talk to me, he would talked me down. He made sure everything was good. But the last administration, they would call me, they would check on me. They called me on holidays to make sure I was okay, to make sure that we didn't need anything. And they still do. Yeah. So what? And I remember in a previous episode, we actually played a voice clip of this current administration hanging up on you when you're asking for information about your son's murder. Yeah. Yeah.

And I've never asked for details in the case because I understand that certain things have to be kept quiet so they can link it to the case. And that's fine. And I've never asked for details. I simply wanted to know how his investigation was going and I got hung up on. Yeah. I mean, like I said, and last time we played that, you know, that clip was it just shows total lack of respect.

and at the very least whether a department's corrupt or not, you're an asshole. I mean, you know, and that's at the least. You know, and I think that's part of what we lose with law enforcement.

I obviously am a big law enforcement proponent. We definitely need them. I've been there and done that before. But at the same time, corruption or mishandling of things and dirtiness is a disease

and especially in small little towns and what was your experience from the time Mark was murdered and how did it change? What went wrong with this investigation you think? I really don't know exactly what went wrong because I've never been, had to deal with the law enforcement before. This is the first time I've ever had to deal with anything. As far as what went

wrong, I don't know where it went wrong. I do know when administrations changed. I didn't feel like this administration really cared about what was going on. Yeah. Yeah, we've heard a lot from You know, like I said, I had one detective that I dealt with that I didn't have any issues with. He left them And since he's left them I've not had anybody up there That even cares enough to talk to me Hmm

And so It sounds like there's a lot of Like how many murders have you guys had There in like five or six years Well even in last months Well since November we've had five And there's been no arrest made And this is a

So Malvern Arkansas is a Is it like a really small town? I think it's 33,000 people. That's pretty small, yeah. So in the last five months, no, in the last since November, she said. Yeah, November. There's been five murders. And there's no arrests.

That's crazy. And then even before that, you know, we had all these missing people and we still have missing people. Yeah, and so I, you know, and I'd heard too, and I kind of asked like what is the, what is the drug situation around there? It's bad. Yeah. And it seems like, I mean, so just since November 5, but then if you go back five years, I mean, I don't know how many has been in that time frame, but there's not, it seems like there's not many. And I actually do remember, we talked with someone that knew a lot about the town based on what their profession was and not even going to go into who that was. but you know kind of their take on things was that it was it was it's been bad you know it

the town has has a big issue yes but um and and i think it's almost to the point where and it's actually who a couple people we talked to recently you know you guys have a pretty big corridor from mexico up through Arkansas right there with with drugs and and everything else I But I just think that you can't Where the corruption thing for me comes in Number one Losing evidence

Restroying evidence or whatever the case is Like you come in as a new administration And I mean I understand like if you're a new administration Obviously you're going to blame it on the other one I don't see why there would be a reason for an old administration To destroy evidence that's something they've been working on For however long or two months Yeah

or whatever. We had the last detective had asked to stay on the case and was told no, and he was let go. Wow. Makes sense. But, Pauline, you actually saw the war room, right? Yes. Yes. The last administration took me into the war room and showed me pictures because I had asked and begged to see the crime scene photos because I needed to see where my son was.

Yeah. And when you walked into this war room. room. What did it look like? It had whiteboards up with names and pictures. Of course, with the Susan Cooper case, it was ongoing. So they had stuff hung over it, paper hung over her side of it, so I couldn't see all of that. Anything to do with marks, they left open for me. There was boxes sitting around. There was computers in there that was turned on, had pictures on it. It looked like off of a movies.

I mean, it honestly did. And for their statement on number eight, which we read earlier, they said it was lost because of the previous administration. But how do you lose computer information? Yeah, they said the previous administration and wiped the computers. They lost evidence, whatever the case may be. But listen, I will say just based on some credible sources, that's absolutely not true. And it was really the other way around. So as far as what you saw when you went in there, and even after they exchanged administrations or whatever, did you actually see some evidence?

Or what did you see when you would go in there? At one time, I was told that they didn't have anything, any disc or anything that come off the case. computer because that's how they stored the stuff was on disk. I was told that they'd lost all the discs, that they didn't have any evidence. It was lost. They couldn't find stuff. All they had was what was wrote down in his file. And while I was talking with one of the detectives, there was a Ziploc bag with probably 20 to 30 disc in it. And they were labeled pertaining to Mark's case. And I asked about it and he said he didn't know he hasn't. had a chance to go through that yet.

Oh, my God. Sounds about right. So how does that happen? I mean, I'm just really confused on the part of the sheriff's office. How do you say you don't have the evidence when the mother of the victim sees it on your desk? Yeah, I know. Yeah, and so, obviously the town is not very happy with the sheriff's department. That's obviously why.

they're having to release statements. Well, no, absolutely that's the truth. Like, you can go on any page in Malvern Hot Springs, and I'm telling you, 95% of these residents are not happy. Now, what about the Malvern police? Do the Malvern Police and the Sheriff's Department get along there? I really don't know because I don't deal with the Malvern Police Department. Yeah.

Now, has there been a lot of issues as far as, you know, I guess the new administration? How long have they been in office now, the new administration? They got office. They took office January the 1st of 2017. Oh, wow. Okay. So they've been there for a little while. Yes.

How many issues have the department, has the department had, you know, like this other guy, has there been a lot of other issues with officers or any of that stuff since 2017? Well, right after they came in, I can't give you the exact dates. We had a police canine that was with Hot Springs County that everybody says was murdered. Yes, Pauline. That was ever anything done with that. And, Pauline, we've had probably 12 people write in about that canine. saying that it was in a backyard and I've even heard that it was beaten to death.

Well, say, I've heard lots and lots of different stories on it. And what's the actual truth? I don't know because nobody really got to know. Mike Cash buried the dog before too many people, didn't even invite the public to it or ex-handlers or anything to his funeral. Well, can you tell us the little backup story of the little canaan? what, like, I think it was gifted to the police department or something? I don't know.

I'm not exactly sure. I do know they have a Justice for Lucky page on Facebook. I've not been on it in quite a while. I've had everything else going, so I haven't really been over there. Well, so without, without, you don't got to say your names, but do you think that you know who murdered your son? Yes. And do you think that? that the sheriff's department knows, regardless of evidence, who murdered your son?

Yes, I have a recording from the detective telling me who murdered my son. And so one of the things that we were going to talk about earlier was admissible evidence. And based on just kind of conversations we've had and all that, which we won't get into who, obviously. but evidence that is admissible or credible, and I say admissible, but meaning admissible in court, you know, credible evidence and how they handle evidence and how they just basically go through the process of evidence. From what I've heard is, you know, besides the fact that there was lost or stolen or whatever evidence, the evidence that they did have, regardless of whatever those things were, was, grossly mishandled.

I mean, and I'm not talking about, like, I'm not talking about something stupid. I'm talking about just moronic handling. Yes. To the point of purposeful mishandling of evidence to where that said evidence would not no longer be admissible in the court of law. Yes. And when you don't have evidence to. to be admissible in court, you don't really have anything,

which is good if you don't want that evidence, I guess, to be admissible in court. I mean, like, I don't want to say, like, there's this giant conspiracy with the Sheriff's Department. There's someone else involved in this that makes all of this conspiracy, because that's what it is. I mean, if you talk about people that get together

for a evil or criminal thing, thing, that's a conspiracy. And it could be a conspiracy to hide evidence. It could be a conspiracy to shelter or help someone not either go to jail or be found guilty. And I've heard kind of a couple different things when it comes to that. Like, is there a big conspiracy in this county? If there is why, how deep are the people involved, if that's the case?

Or is it really just complete moronic negligence to the ump degree? And I just don't see you. I think it's a combination of both. Yeah, it's just, it's hard for me to believe that it's just complete moronic negligence. Yeah, you just don't lose information from a computer. You don't just lose evidence and say it's from people that got loose from narcotics. You just, that does not happen anywhere. Like, I would lose my job doing what I do if that happened.

I would be fired automatically. Yeah, unfortunately, there's a good old boy, you know, in the good old boy systems, especially in small towns, you know, they're going to, in some places, some places are going to try to uphold the law based on whatever is in it for them, depending on what they're involved in. whatever that may be. For example, in Tennessee, and there are many places in Tennessee, there's someplace in South Carolina, they have cockfighting rings to where these farms of rich people,

they get together on Saturdays or Sundays, they fight roosters and all that stuff. The police department makes sure that they are protected. And, you know, if a PETA member shows up, they get arrested, thrown off the property, which is, you know, even dog fighting rings have this, because a lot of these small towns get cuts of money from megabets that they put on dogs or roosters or whatever the cases. I mean, that's just a small scale corruption.

But then you also have corruption in – and I'm talking about major corruption in a lot of small towns that deal in drugs. Yes. And I think that's part of our problem here is the drugs. Yeah, and so sometimes the people. depending on how, and like I said, I'm not saying that's at all what's going on there. I have no idea. I'm just saying other, I'm just saying other places. There are issues with small town departments that, you know, get a lot of extra money on the side based on certain things they either look the other way on or some people's involvement or whatever in cases. There's movies about it, but there's also actual real life things that happen. And these things eventually get taken down. Some don't. It just, just depends. You know, the whole FBI thing and coming in and all this stuff, you would want to think the FBI or someone like that would just come in and, you know, that was one of, I guess, Hot Springs County defenses is like, well, the FBI's never been here or whatever.

They've been here to investigate Wimberry, but they didn't investigate us. If we were crooked, why didn't they do that? That was one of their points. But it's not always easy. You look at this situation in South Carolina here with Alec Murdoch, which, you know, I mean, he was the solicitor. He was over five counties. Basically, his family controlled five counties. Now his wife and son are murdered. They've gotten out of so much shit in this state, which we...

So what we're coming in? Did Alec Murdoch kill his wife and son? Who knows? But she was about to find out about all of the money laundering and all this crazy shit he was doing. But the thing is, now that he is in jail, we're starting to peel back how much corruption is involved with judges. How many layers? And it goes with judges and everything else. state law enforcement people.

We don't know, but I'm just saying you never would believe that unless something massive happens involving one of them to where somehow you can start peeling back the layers. And that's the same case here. I think there's so many layers that you've got to pill them back

to find the truth. And I think the only person are persons that are going to find the truth are the FBI. And look, I will say this briefly. We can give, you know, I don't know, we don't know if there's 100% corruption. We don't know 100% of that.

I don't know. You know, opinion-based, if you want to, you know, if we could say everything that we have heard, which we can't really. But if we could, you know, I think 95% of you guys would probably err on the side of there's probably corruption there, you know. but which is not far-fetched in a lot of departments these days, especially small. I can tell you anybody that lives in this county can tell you that they feel like there is corruption here. And I think that shows. Well, just go to their Facebook page and you see it.

I mean, all you have to do is go to their actual Facebook page and you're going to see the people. Yeah. That people's opinions. Well, Pauline, is there anything you want to say to, if someone is listening that did this or people that would have evidence, at least as far as witnessing or any of that stuff, is there anything you want to say to those people right now that may be listening? Because I think your entire state listens to our episodes on this.

So I want to give you the opportunity to speak to those people if you would like to. Yes, I would like to ask them to please come forward. Help me get my life back in line right now. we're not living. We are in constant fear. We don't know when something's going to happen to us. We don't know what's going to happen. We're constantly afraid for our lives. I mean, it's bad. We just want our lives back. We know it won't be the same because we won't have Mark. But we want to try to get back as close to normal as we can. Yeah. And you think, you know, the people or the person that did this being behind, bars, obviously, it's going to make you feel safer. Period. Yeah. I mean, it's obviously it would for anyone.

I mean, this is a tough thing. I don't want another family to have to go through what I'm going through. Yeah. And unfortunately, there's been five more families that have gone through this within months. Yes. With no answers. With no answers in a very small town. I just wonder, why can't they look at all these different murders and maybe.

Yeah, it seems like there's a lot of stuff connected. Find something that's connected. Yeah, it seems like there's a lot of stuff connected. Yes, I feel like there's a lot of it that is connected, and I think a lot of it all comes back to the drugs in this town. Yeah. You're probably right. I mean, you know, it's people, when you get in the drugs, I mean, you,

I mean, hell, look at the movie or the show Walter White and Breaking Bad, and what drugs can make a normal purpose. person, you know, do. And the longer you're in them, the more crazier shit you're going to do. And that's just, you know, I think there's a structure and a hierarchy there. I think that. And there's definitely a hierarchy in Melbourne. There's a couple of them that were taken down recently.

Yeah. There's definitely a hierarchy in Melbourne. But there is also the people that are below those people. And I know those people that have experienced seeing or doing or. being a part of this stuff, they don't sleep at night. I know they don't. And those people that have that guilty conscious, those

are the people that we need to come forward. But the problem is with those people is the people that have guilty consciousness of either murder or witness and murder, they just get higher so they don't have to have it anymore. Even though sometimes, especially with meth, it makes you even more paranoid. It does. And I

think about these people that may have witnessed Mark's death, I think they're paranoid every day. Yeah. They have to be. They should be. Because I know there's people that's seen it.

Yeah. We know that for a fact. Well, Pauline, we're not going to keep you on here. We definitely appreciate it coming on. And, you know, we hope, I mean, with the amount of people that have talked to us and you and kind of everything we've got is there's no question in my mind. It's going to get solved. The people will go to jail or the person and.

people will go to jail that need to go to jail. We just got to work out some things and we're working on some things behind the scenes that we can't talk to you guys about. But, you know, it's one of those things that if you were involved or witnessed or were an accessory of this, you know, you need to talk now because, you know, when you're caught, you don't really have any. And just like you said before, small towns talk. No, yeah, they do. including your close associates. So. So, yeah.

But Pauline, thank you so much for coming on. Is there anything else you want to say before you go? I just want to thank you for doing this for us. We have nowhere else to turn. I know. And that's why we are here for you, Pauline. We're doing what we can. Well, I sure appreciate it.

And by the way, for those of you out there that are little investigators, which a lot of you listeners are, feel free to. help us with this. Yeah. Feel free to help us with. Crack this case for us. Yeah. Feel free to put pressure on the department.

I'm not telling you to call, but you can because they are public officials and they are taxpayer. I mean, you know, especially if you live there, you're a taxpayer citizen and, you know, you got to hold your officials accountable. And you have our right to your speech. Yeah. Well, Pauline, thank you so much for coming on. And we'll definitely, hopefully have a good update the next time we, though, that we all

talk. Thank you very much. have it going, Pauline. Your turn. So that was Pauline. Yeah, it's, I do think that is, I think it'll get solved. But, you know, the corruption and all that stuff, if that's, if that's what's happening, is not good. And this happens everywhere.

It's not, I mean, you look back at COVID and you look back at all this shit. Look at the corruption on a massive scale. I mean, look at how big the corruption is on a mass of. scale, even with COVID. And with the entire pandemic. And it's like there were people that just went on and was like, oh, don't, you know, you know, everything's fine. Everything's normal.

And they try to lie to their selves. They listen to the mainstream media. They listen to all that shit. And, but yet the people that are truth seekers, the people that want to know the truth, those are the people that understand how bad. corruption is and how bad conspiracies are and and the world we're really living in and it's gotten worse and it's gotten so bad that it's affecting and it's affected small towns and big towns or whatever for a long time and that's looking on a big scale but we also have to look on a little

scale you have to look at you know the parents the brothers the sisters of these people that are being murdered and are not affects their lives and how it affects their lives and they're not getting you know, the only thing they want is justice for their son, of course. Yeah. You know, and until they have that, they don't have their life back. You know, it's just like I was talking to Ms. Hayes the other day, and the place where her son's body was found, I think a couple months afterwards, she went back there and found, like, a human jaw bone.

And she turned it into the police. That was like four years ago. And she's yet to be determined if that was her son's jaw bone or somebody else's. Like, I don't get that. Yeah, that's crazy. Like, do you not think that she should have answers about whose jaw that is by now? Absolutely, yeah, absolutely. Like, things like that, that's got to stop.

But guys, listen, if you have anything to say, if you have any information, if you know anything about the case, please let us know, let the police know. Let us know if you feel safer, you can be anonymous. Even if you have something that you want to share that would help the case and you don't want anybody. I know you are. We will make sure you remain anonymous. And I would, like right now, would like to invite the upcoming sheriff, people that want to be sheriff if they want to come on this podcast in the future and just tell what they would do to change this county and how they can change it. And I'd also like to invite Mike Cash on here. Yeah, if he wanted to.

You know, any people that want to make change to this county, I invite you to come tell us how and what you want to do and what you see. in the future. But yeah, any of you, little investigators out there, if you want to help us with this or know of any way that you can help us with this case, please let us know. You can reach out to us. Tell us how you can help us. You know, whatever we can do to try to solve this is all we're trying to do. And, you know, this is going to be something that we're going to continue to follow.

Hopefully there will be something good that comes out of this, and we can finally wrap this up and with a good outcome. And give his mother peace. Yeah, for sure. but yeah so I think that's going to be it for for this episode it's it lasts an hour but you know I I just want to make sure that we we keep this name and this case in the light we have to and all that yeah because if you let it go nobody's going to do anything yeah and guys we're

definitely going to be back with our regularly scheduled programming very soon what is tomorrow it'll probably be Could be tomorrow night, could be Saturday, but we've got so much other crazy stuff to talk about this going on in the world. We've got to get back to that. We actually even have some UFO stuff that we get to talk about. And so be looking out for that, guys. We're sorry that we've been away, but we're going to be back very soon. And until next time, is there anything else, Sherry?

That's it. Glad to see you guys. See you guys. All right, guys, we love you. Until next time. Peace out. Peace out.