Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Mark Hays Murder Part 2 | Former Deputy Interview

Episode Date: September 17, 2021

The Mark Hays murder was another possible murder that the police could have covered up. On this Part 2 episode, we talk with a former deputy of the sheriffs department on his thoughts on the way the investigation was handled, and if there could be corruption at play.

Marquay's is a 26-year-old normal guy. Sure he had his problems, but that don't justify him being murdered in cold blood. Many believe this stem from a drug deal gone bad. They called him a narque, and for that, he was murdered. Not only did they murder him, they filmed it. This story is not only about the murder of Marquez, but the possible corruption surrounding the investigation. Is this a case of a small town covering up what really happened that day?

This series will investigate the murder? possible corruption, and how this is probably not an isolated case throughout the United States. Stay tuned. Oh, and you're right, apparently. Sorry about that. Sorry, I didn't know you pushed the button. Welcome to Investigator Earth podcast. I am your host, Chad, along with my wife Sherry, that is right, apparently.

But, you know, you should expect that with a female. Of course. Females are always right. Anyways, I hope everyone is doing great. It is September the 16th, 2021 on this beautiful Thursday evening. in South Carolina. I'm not going to say necessarily beautiful, but it's been rainy today, but we have not had a lot of rain this summer, so rain is always welcome. It is 8 o'clock Eastern Time in the United States, and this is going to be a good podcast. We've had a lot of

response to our first podcast on this. It's the Mark Hayes Murder. This particular podcast means a lot to both of us. We connected with Mark Hayes' mother, I guess a little over three or four years ago. Five years ago. Yeah, somewhere around there. Women are right. And we heard the story on what happened to Mark Hayes and the horrific death that he endured from at least what we know.

And there's not a lot that anyone knows for sure, because there's a lot of people out there that it sounds like will not come forward. But, you know, just based on the circumstances that were surrounding, the murder and the fact of how the murder was handled is all just is is is really almost part for the course anymore in 2021 and yes although this did happen five years ago you know it something like this happening now doesn't surprise people as much and and and I think that this podcast really needs to bring to light not just hopefully justice for the Hayes family and and everyone that was involved, you know, and everyone that hurt through this and including, you know,

all of Mark's family. But I hope this brings to light, and we said this in the previous podcast, that, you know, the way things are handled anymore is all determined based on the entity of which is investigating or the entity or people in which are involved. And so what I mean by that is it kind of reminds me. a lot of what's going on right now, and I know this has nothing to do with COVID, but it just reminds me on there's two sides,

and you have one side saying, yes, we can treat people with COVID, and the other side is you either get the vaccine or you die, right? And so there's two completely different sides. You have proactive people that are actively trying to solve a investigation, especially when it comes to a murder, which is an obvious murder. and then you have another side that wants to throw it under the rug and try to basically forget about it.

You know, oh, you know, Mark who? No, I don't even know who that is. Yeah, I forgot. You know, I mean, and that's essentially what it sounds like, just based on everything we've heard so far, everything that we've talked, everybody we've talked to, it sounds like for whatever reason that this case was desperately tried to brush under the rug. You know, just everything I've heard, and, you know, by the way, we have an interview tonight with a former deputy with the department, and that administration is no longer in office anymore. It's who he worked with.

It was the former administration, the former sheriff. and so this murder happened as we talked about in the first podcast it happened kind of right the murder happened during their administration

and then not long after a new administration a new sheriff took office and and interesting thing was one thing we didn't mention on the last podcast was there were actually two murders

at this time during Marques's murder there was another female that was murdered similarly and around the same time even around the same place and, you know, one murder was handled one way,

the other murder was handled another way, obviously. It's five years now. The Marquay's murder is unsolved, and there is someone in jail now for the other murder. But they, from what I, I don't know, I'm just saying, it seems like they were handled differently. Mm-hmm. I agree.

And so, Sherry, let me ask you, before we bring our guests on. We're going to bring our guests on in about six or seven minutes, but, you know, What was one of the things that kind of brought you into this case as far as, you know, you've talked, I know with his mother a lot. And, you know, it seems like she has had a really tough time. Oh, yeah. With everyone that could possibly help her.

Exactly. She really has. And I don't know how I ended up picking out Mark Hayes in his case, but I was just scrolling one day. I was like, I feel like I can help them or I feel a need to reach out to his mom. And I did. And that's how we began talking. and became friends, but she just desperately needs answers and justice,

along with her family. I mean, Mark is a brother. You know, he's a father. He's a son. And he deserves the justice that he deserves, right? Yeah. So one of the things that, you know, we're going to talk about on today's podcast is,

if, no, okay. I'll just be honest with you. You know, there's always something, especially with the crime stuff. We always want to try to figure out what we should say, what we shouldn't. But at the same time, you know, there is this family and they have been hurting. They have been desperately trying to find answers. And it seems like there's a reason why they can't.

And it, you know, just, and I'll be honest with you, just based on everything I've heard, you know, if I was a sheriff's department or if I was a department and had power such as sheriff's departments do, this case seems like it would be already sluged. solved to me. Yeah. It seems like there's a reason why that they didn't want to solve this case. Exactly. And not only has this case not been solved, but bad things are happening to this family after his murder. You know, for example, I think it was a year after her house was shot up. She actually moved away from the house because she felt threatened. She called the police. Nothing was ever done about it. I mean, they were shot at in their old house. And this was soon after Mark's murder. I mean, I just don't think that's a question. incidents. Yeah.

What I do want you to do, actually, because we had debated on playing this or not, if you want to bring that recording up, we'll play that here in just a minute. But, so basically, just to give you kind of a pre-synopsis of what we're going to be talking about is what I can say is that this department that is the Sheriff's Department in which is in this county, they have, I guess, had some issues. And they've got some investigations going on. they've got all kinds of things that, you know, FBI's investigating them on a couple of things, I believe, with some of the officers. There's been talk out there that this thing could possibly be bigger than just a couple of officers.

It could come down on a bigger scale. Yeah, go above these people. Yeah. Two more powerful people. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, nonetheless, it sounds like there is a possible hotbed for corruption. And, you know, we're not going to make allegations on, you know, what happened with Marquay's, but we're going to try to at least, and that's why I want to bring our guest on.

We don't, you know, we just want to kind of get his account on, you know, what happened. He was there. Obviously, you know, Ms. Hayes is the mother. She knows a ton of stuff. And this guy, which was an officer at the time, you know, he has a very good rapport with Ms. Hayes. so does so was you know other officers have had the same so many people don't understand kind of why it seems like her case was kind of brushed under the rug and her case was kind of whatever so let's just um right and just to give a like a brief whatever well just play it and well and you'll get

kind of okay well i'll have to go forward a little bit so let let me give you guys just um a brief uh i guess synopsis of what what you're about to hear um this recording actually was miss hayer that called the sheriff's department and who was who did she speak with the sheriff yes okay so this was the new sheriff and i believe he's the sheriff now yeah so she called to speak with him as a mother that has had her son murdered and this call was recorded and um and the thing is is like you know at the very least a mother that is that is desperately trying to find answers for her son and the murder and what happened and you know the department that is supposed to be investigating this murder, you know, at least should be a little cordial.

But I will play this, and I'll have to fast forward just a little bit because I got to get to the part where she actually talks to the sheriff. Well, just play a part of the beginning, though, too. Yeah, so this is the beginning, and this is her calling the sheriff's department, so call is going forward. It'll pick up in a second. That's what you call up. Yeah, so, yeah, so he hung up on her.

He hung up on her. You know, the mother of a guy that was killed and, you know, obviously he had zero time to even talk to her. And it's just how rude and disrespectful it is to a mother of someone that their son was killed, that you can't even give five seconds to your time to answer any questions. It is a cowardly move at the very least. And it's sickening to me. And the thing is, is that officials nowadays feel like they have the power to not give a crap about you,

even though, you know what, those people that call you and those people that reach out to you are the people that elect you, no matter who voted for you. for you. You work for the people. The people don't work for you. You're here to protect and serve your community. That's what they're there for. And there are a lot of, uh, there are a lot of departments that, you know, they value that. You know, I mean, and it all depends. It all depends on the department from the head up. But when you, when you start having things that, you know, especially with the top guy that obviously just didn't seem to care, um, how do you feel like his deputies and people under him are going to respond to situations, probably very similarly,

which, you know, when you have toxicity in a department or a organization or a group, if the head is toxic, which sounds from that, sounds like he's kind of toxic, it just sounds like you're going to have issues all the way down. And bless our heart, she, like she said in the phone call, she had been waiting for weeks to hear anything. She even went up to the department several times. She tried to reach out and call them. No one would return her phone calls.

no one would tell her anything. And here's a grieving mother, you know, worrying about her son's murder and wanting justice for her son, Mark A's. So I just think that phone call really expresses a lot that you need to know. Exactly. So we do have our guest on now. And Woody, do you care if we call you Woody? Oh, no. Yeah, that's fine.

That's fine. Okay. Woody, welcome to Investigator Earth Podcast. Thank you for coming on. and thank you for having me yeah not a problem um what do you i don't know if you've listened to the beginning of this podcast

but i know you listened to our first episode so you kind of know obviously what we talked about before and i don't think you have to know what we've talked about you've been a part of this you've you've been there you've been in in this town you've been a part of the department um but you also know uh pauline and which is mark's mother and you know that whole situation very well um tell me a little bit i guess if if you're willing to what was your role in that county, were you a sheriff officer, or what was the deal there? I was a sergeant with the Hot Spring County Sheriff Department.

Okay. Okay, so you were a sergeant. And how long did you work there for quite a while? Since 2012. 2012. And then you, I guess, and you ran for sheriff, right? Yes, sir. Sure did twice.

And so the second time you ran for sheriff was when the new administration, which took over Mark's case, came in, right? Yep, that's correct. Okay, so as a deputy, when Mark Hayes was murdered, or at least when he went missing, tell me a little bit about kind of how your department, because I guess, obviously, like I said, that was a new administration, but how did that all kind of play out? Witnesses, you know, kind of get on the same page, you know, if something broke. What we did is the administration I was under, that's what we did.

Okay, so explain the war room. It was just a room, big conference room, and it was dedicated. I'm a missing person. Did this person on this state. Yes, we did. There it is. It's tagged. I mean, you know, video, people, suspects, witnesses, all of it was recorded and documented.

So it's kind of like something you would... It always go back on to it. Yeah, so it helped us out a lot, so... So it's kind of like something you would see on a TV show or a movie. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it was. It was pretty neat. So, now you guys, now you said you were investigating two different murders at this time, or at least disappearances.

Now, who was the other, or you don't get to say who, but you can. There was a female, right, that disappeared, and it was around the same time. It was Susan Cooper. Susan Cooper. And did she disappear before Mark or after? It was right after Mark. Okay, so right after her. Okay.

And so you guys were in the war room, and you guys were both working on both cases. But how were you guys kind of divvying up how you worked on it? Did you guys have, obviously, separate detectives or officers working on one case and vice versa? Or did everybody kind of work together? Both of them. Our administration did. We took them both as never-missing people. Negations, you hear things, and you find out things, and we handled it.

You know, the same. We didn't treat the sheriff's administration I was involved with. It was an equal balance of. Investigation. I got you. So you got the war room together when they were missing persons. How did you find out that Mark was actually murdered? Indeed, that's what we found.

Mark Hayes deceased. Okay, so you guys received a tip about a body. Now, what did you say about the Miss Cooper? Was it the same area? No, no, no. We were on the Watchtall River. Ford Road, which later that's where she was located. Okay.

And we were on the river with cadaver dog searching for her. On the same day, all of a sudden, right in the middle of us searching for her, we get a tit that there's a guy at the Hosmer County Jail said that he had found a body he believed to be Marquay's. Wow. And I was dispatched to that location and was able to make contact with the guy and went out and where he gave me instructions to go, and that's indeed where we found Mark. Now, let me ask you, Woody. Now, you know, this county is not a huge county, but how often, you know, as long as you've been in law enforcement, have you ever, I mean, it's just crazy to me, especially two people missing at one at the same time, but you guys were actively looking for Ms. Cooper and during this time you get a call to find another body.

Is that rare, or does that happen? Yeah, it was odd. In my experience, being law enforcement, it's very odd to receive a tip on the day you're, have already received a tip on a certain person's missing, which was Ms. Cooper, in that area. Now, had you searched that area, area prior to when his body was found? Yes, about two or three weeks prior to that. We were, again, once on a search for a body, didn't know whether it was Marquez's body or Susan Cooper's body.

We just towards the direction of the part of the dump where which that's where Mark was And you had told us this the other day that this dump that we're talking about and I think the first podcast

we kind of made it out like it was a landfill but it's not really a landfill It's a place where people go If you got an old refrigerator or couch They just go out in the woods and throw it out there I got you And so you guys received a tip on Miss Cooper

Right the same It was at the same day That you guys received the tip on Marquay? Yes. Yeah. that morning. And so the tips, were they anonymous? Or did they...

I wasn't anonymous. It was... The guy I went to the jail. Susan Cooper's was earlier that morning, we got our team together to help us out and, you know, she didn't dive and search for... See if we could possibly find her with negative results.

And where did you guys eventually... How was she eventually found, Ms. Cooper? She was found under the... My current sheriff's administration under their rumors, I don't know how they become to know that she was in this field, searched the same field, with negative results. And I do believe if I stand correct,

the location where she was found, searched that area. So you had searched both areas prior to finding the bodies, and they weren't there. Mark Hayes, too, right? Mark Hayes and. Mark and Susan Cooper, yeah. We'd searched.

searched both locations. Prior to finding their bodies. In other words, and you took out the dogs, everything looking, are the dogs really good? I mean, do they pick it up good? Or, I mean, is there a chance that they might not get the set of a... There's a chance of that, but they're good. I mean, they're pretty spot-on.

They were some of the best. I think they got them from North Carolina. Now, you guys were searching the river, right? And that was for Ms. Cooper. So that was a tip? Is that what led you guys to the river? Yeah, I do believe so. If I stand correct, yes.

Now, so when you found Marquay's at this dump, or whoever led you to this. Now, do you have any idea how this person knew where this body was? I have no earthly idea. I mean, I have my beliefs, but that's... Yeah. That is what it is. And so Marquez was found And

Did You know Not to get too graphic or anything But did it appear that he had been dead for a while Or was it a minute? Yes Yes Most definitely

Okay So he went missing And correct me from wrong In October No August 29th August Yeah he was August And he was found

In when November? November November yes Before Thanksgiving So do you guys believe that he was possibly murdered sometime late August? Yes, I do. Okay. So someone obviously had his body at some place, you know, for a while.

I don't believe so, yeah. I mean, we can't prove it, but that's, yeah. So do you believe that he was not murdered at the location where you found him? Definitely not murdered at that location. It was, it was, he was put there. He was placed there. And he was actually, he was shot, right? Is that how he actually...

Yes. Okay. All right. And how was Ms. Cooper? How did she die? Gunshot? I do believe a gunshot. Several gunshots.

Now, do you have any idea if they at all knew each other or ran in the same circles that you know of? We heard, I mean, they knew. It's a small town. Everybody knows everybody. I got you. So... Okay. So your administration, you get the call about the missing person.

Now, does your administration... and the sheriff that you were under then, are you guys the one to actually found the body? And then, so then the case was handed over to the new sheriff, right? Yes, once he took office, yes, in January. Now, let me ask you this. And, you know, it's a theoretical.

So it was November to January, two months after they found them is when the switch. The new sheriff came in, yeah. So it's a theoretical question. But with everything that you guys had, evidence-wise, or we're working on with Mark Hayes' case. Do you guys think that you were on a road to solving this? Like, would you guys... Okay.

Yep. And how did Ms. Cooper's death, how was she solved, and what took place with that? If I stand correct, FBI, actually came in and received tips and got with the sheriff's administration now and was able to find and locate Ms. Cooper. Yeah, and so did the FBI come in for Mark Hayes' murder, or now? I don't think so. I wasn't aware of it. Okay.

Now, so when you guys were investigating both cases, who, like, who did you guys, like, just, I guess, knowing kind of the war room and whatever, who would you have said would have been more likely to have solved the case? Would it have been Marx or Ms. Cooper's at the time when you guys were working? on both of them. Marks. So you thought that you probably had more leads to Marks than hers. So the FBI actually figured out who killed Ms. Cooper.

Is he in jail now? He's staying in trial. Okay. He's in jail, but he's staying in trial as we speak. I got you. So what do you think, you know, look, and we've heard a lot of rumors just from kind of everybody. You know, we did the first podcast, a lot of people talk, a lot of people say things. we've talked to quite a few people.

But number one, do you believe the cases were handled differently as far as not your administration, but the new administration? But, you know, what was the holdback on Marquesa's cases? I mean, especially since you guys felt like you guys had more, I guess, leads, evidence, whatever it was to possibly solve the Marquez case over the Cooper case. so why does it seem like it was the opposite? Obviously the Cooper case was solved. The FBI came in.

That obviously helps. But what was the hold up with Marquay's? I mean, you know. I can't answer that. I don't know, but there definitely was one, yes. Wow. Now, is the county there as far as just the people involved and everything? Do you guys have a big problem with drugs, stuff like that?

Is it a high crime area? it's a high crime area yes and there's i mean it's like anywhere else there's drugs i mean it's that's anywhere you go nowadays and crime is at a high rate yes okay and um so so what kind of got you like what made you want to kind of at least speak out as far as marquase goes i mean did you i know that you i guess you guys kind of became close and and with what would you would you know, Pauline and everything. But, you know, do you think that she's been treated correctly, I guess? I mean, is it, is it normal that a, is it normal that a mother calls and try to get answers, get, you know, gets hung up on?

No. You know. Not at all. That's, that, that was absurd. That was, that should have been handled like that at all. Now, so you ran for sheriff. You didn't get sheriff, but, um, but there's a new election coming up, right? I mean, that's coming up pretty soon.

What do you think, you know, do you think it was one person that murdered Mark? Do you think it was drug-related? Do you think that, you know... I don't know related purposes, but more than more and yes, most definitely. Okay. Wow. And so you guys, did you work any other murders or did your department? How many murders did you guys work over the course of the time you were there?

Oh, several. I mean, it's, yeah, I mean, but nothing like this. This was too different. I mean, these were two standout cases. And what made those two different? I mean, if you can just think off the top of your head. Why were they standing? The situations of them missing and the people that was involved and stuff like that.

So, I mean, that's what the standout point was. to all of us so yeah and i guess the weird i guess the crazy thing for me is it seems like you know just based on everything i've heard from everything it just seems like this case may have already been solved yeah giving i don't know giving yeah giving giving willingness to solve it i guess is is right and at this time i don't think there's any willing to solve it at all i mean i think it's just kind of. It's almost like a cold case. Exactly.

This is the perfect word for it. Put it in the file and there you go. Yeah. Now, when you guys were investigating Mark's murder when you're in, you know, that administration, like you told us you did have people of interest. So how many people do you think you interviewed about his murder? Man, dozens. Yeah, it was quite a bit.

But there was never anything you guys could have. could have got a warrant on? No. We were really close. I mean, we were super close. I mean, we were probably, if I had to say, days from getting something. Mm-hmm. Yep.

Okay, so what happened when the new administration came in? Do you guys hand over everything that you had on the case? Yeah. Yeah, we have to in a situation like that. Now, they keep it up like you were doing it? Did they keep the room? I was told, no, not at all. It was all turned over to the FBI, and that's just what it was.

That is very interesting. So are you in law enforcement anymore? No, sir, not a time. Now, do you miss me in law enforcement? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I miss it. I got you. Yeah, I miss it bad.

Well, what do you, I mean, do you feel like this case is going to be solved, and how do you think it would be? I mean, do you think that? I think it needs somebody to come in, and care and want for the family, for closure. Yeah. And that's got to happen. I mean, it's going to happen.

And like you were saying, I mean, this is a close-knit community. Everyone knows everyone. So obviously, everyone knows Mark's mom and knows. Oh, yeah, everybody knows. They know her, you know, Mark and her, you know, her son. He just had a birthday yesterday. Happy birthday, by the way. He's 16.

But everyone, you know, I think everyone knows, Pauline. I know her, she is just a down-to-earth, sweet person that would give her shirt off her back and give it to anyone. She is. She's a good people. Yeah, she's really, and to know that she's going through this is just, it's horrible. It is. It's horrible because for five years now, she's not had any justice for her son when she knows there can be justice, but it's not happening. Hey, Woody, let me ask you something. This new sheriff that's coming in, possibly, hopefully. from the way it sounds. There's a new sheriff that's running, and the elections will be this year.

Well, yeah. It'd be next year, but... Yeah, next year, yeah. Yeah. So I'd heard somewhere that he has got, like, a crime group or something that has to do. He has a Crime Watch page. Hotspring County Crime Watch page, yes.

And there's quite a few members on, I'm assuming. Oh, yeah. So I guess he's actively also trying to solve Mark. murder, even though he's not in to solve it, but to help her, you know, with his connections from what I understand. Now, is he a local guy? Does he, does he kind of come from that area? Yeah, he sees from here. Okay. And, yeah, I just, you know, I had heard about the, the crime page, and I was, I was, I was pretty impressed with that. I mean, it's, it seems like, it seems like it does a lot of, it's done a lot for the county. I mean, as, as far as

keeping people involved and up to date on you know what areas of crime are happening and things like that it's really done a lot of good right and it's made a lot of people mad you know

you're doing something right then so it's making people upset but that's what it's for now you don't have to answer this if you don't want to but I do you gotta ask you know do you think that there is corruption in that county on on any level

I mean but do you don't have to you know, and I guess you can answer it or not, but, you know, do you think if, if you think there might be corruption in that county? And we're not even saying the current sheriff. Just anybody. In my opinion, in my opinion,

yes. And do you think that when corruption's involved, can it play a part in... Yeah, I mean, it could persuade a lot of things to happen. Yeah. I mean, it can cause you to turn another cheek, you know, and look the other way and all that.

And it happens everywhere, though. I mean, it's not just, Ospreon County. It's everywhere. Yeah, it's interesting because, you know, we heard about the case and we heard about Mark, and then the more we kind of get into it, and the more we talk to people,

and the more we, you know, do all this. Everyone in the community, they all say the same thing. Yeah, everybody kind of knows it. And it's kind of like, you know, I mean, not bringing up this country right now, but, I mean, there's a lot of craziness going on in the country. Yeah, there is.

And everybody knows it. I've never seen it like this. I'm 50 years old and I've never seen things that are happening right now that they are. Yeah, it's bad. Well, Woody, I appreciate you coming on and talking with us. I mean, and, you know, and hopefully, hopefully. Hopefully this will help bring a lead or somebody that, you know, knows something. I think it will.

You are doing a good thing. So, I mean, just the word needs to get out and stay out, you know. Yeah, for sure. Not get put in a file cabinet and closed. Exactly. Well, Woody, I told you the other day, I said. I wish you're running for sheriff again somewhere. Yeah, because you seem like a really cool guy.

No, my wife wouldn't like that. She wouldn't go for that. Well, our world needs better leaders. Yeah, it does. It definitely does. And I hope we get one here in this county. Yeah, it sounds like that guy that's running. What's his name, Scott, I believe, Scott's somebody?

Yeah. Sounds like he's a good guy. He sounds like he's doing the right thing for the county, and he's proactive. And I think that's, you've got to have something. proactive in a county that has a lot of... Well, you've got to have... In law enforcement, you've got to be very proactive. For sure.

And community involved, and, you know, and that's what he's going to bring to the table. So it's going to be exciting. Well, we hope that, you know, hopefully if he gets in, maybe, you know, maybe this case will be solved. Maybe it'll be solved because of this podcast. I don't know.

Yes. You know. It would be awesome if it was. That would be a great move. Yeah, it would be like, that would take my heart if we could get this solved. Yeah, it would be awesome. Yep. Yep. Well, Woody, thank you so very much for coming on.

No problem, man. Thank y'all for having me on. And if we have more, we might bring you back if this case gets anything. But, man, we appreciate it. Thank you so much. And have a great night. Bye, too you, bye-bye. See you. All right, that was Woody, and we won't say who we, you know. Yeah, but he's a really good guy. I mean, I think he has a heart of gold. Obviously, he knows Pauline very well. I think he knows her because of Markey's case.

Yeah, he was an officer and a sergeant there that cared. And he cared. And that's the big thing is you got to have people that care about people. Look, I'll be honestly that, you know, this guy's not running for sheriff anymore. He ran for sheriff before. He has no interest or vested interest at all or anything to gain from coming on a podcast to talk about anything. He just wants her to have closure. And, you know, that just shows it's not for him to get sheriff.

It's not for him to do this or any of this stuff. this is just him as a person caring about another person. And caring enough to even go on a podcast and talk about it. Yeah. Because that's not very easy to do. No, it isn't. And especially when you live in the place and all that. But, you know, the reality is that we need more people to care.

And it sounds like whoever is in charge there, they don't care. Because I would love to know what they're doing with the investigation. I would love to push them to see what, you know, what have you guys done? I mean, you know, just, you know, talking with him and, you know, him kind of saying, look, you know, we had more leads and more, more, we felt like we were going to solve Mark's case before we were going to solve Ms. Cooper's case. And Ms. Cooper's case was solved. The FBI did come in and get involved and they, I believe, probably were the ones that solved it. I don't know that FBI got involved in Mark's case for whatever reason. We don't know for a fact.

But, you know, these guys, this administration then set up, you know, set up a war room. you would see on TV or a movie. Like CSI. That's what I imagine. It's like CSI. They have all the pictures and, you know, the web of maps. Who you talk to? When you talk to them.

Yeah. I mean, like he said, they would talk to dozens and dozens of people. And I think they had pretty good leads. But what it's going to come down to, it's going to come down with somebody that has a conscious. Somebody that needs closure themselves. You know, because I can imagine if you saw a murder like that, it would be horrific. about it or know about it. I would probably have nightmares about it.

And the only way I would feel better is to get it off my chest. And I think it's not only going to help Pauline and her family and her kids and her grandson, but it's going to help that person as well. And I've always said, too, guys, for anyone listening to this podcast, if you guys have any information on anything, you guys could tell us any crazy story you want to. You can do it anonymously. You can go make a freaking new Gmail account with a random name if you want to.

right and you can email us contact and investigate earthpodcast.com and you can email us with any tips or anything you know you can be completely anonymous but if it helps the case like if if it helps solve the case right if it if it leads to closure if it leads to someone um being held accountable or whatever you could literally have a have a made up gmail account right with a random name yeah okay no one's ever going to trace anything you know it's it's it's literally you could do that. And you could just give a hint. Right.

And even if you think the lead is not big enough to even tell us, that's not true. Any lead could be helpful. It could be a rumor you heard. Right. Because a lot of times rumors are true. And so, yeah, contact at investigate earthpodcast.com. That's where you can email us. If you have anything about this case, please do.

I mean, like I said, it can be completely anonymous. We don't get into who you are. Just anything that you could tell us that might. lead to us knowing something more than they know now. I mean, you know, you just by being anonymous that will never, ever be known who you are,

could change someone's entire life. Because I don't think people realize that when they lose a son or a daughter or a brother or sister or whatever. And especially when they have no idea, you know, who it is. And the thing is, or maybe they do have ideas,

but it's, you know, it's just like, what are you saying? I think they had people of interest, but they just weren't able to close it in two months, you know, because he went missing August 29th. They had until January. Well, November. No, they found him in November.

So they had two months to, like, research this case. And then, you know, they pretty much had to give it over to someone else. Yeah. So that's not a long, long time to solve a murder. I know, like, you know, I'm a crime scene junkie the first 48 hours, you know, I watch all those shows and everything. and you get the most tips in the first parts of the, you know, when you find a murder. But I think that it's still solvable. No, absolutely.

I mean, look, there's probably people listening to this podcast and know what happened. Oh, definitely. And we know, I mean, we've talked to a lot of people in Arkansas that have been listening. Yeah. And I think the word is getting out there. Yeah, I, you know, and like I said, guys, I mean, email us. I mean, write it down, contact and investigate earthpodcast.com. Email us from a random email.

If you have any information, anything you think could be useful to this investigation. I mean, there's probably someone listening right now that could solve this case. Right. And even if you don't want to contact us and you know Ms. Hayes, Mark's mother, like I said, she is a down-to-earth mother. She will give her. She just wants answers. Yeah. But she is very positive and she's not going to like, you know, if you come and give her tips or whatever,

or she's not one of those people that are going to go against you. You know what I'm saying? If you feel safer, email us. We, you know, we can look into it and figure out, you know, whatever. But, I mean, just something. And like I said, guys, I mean, this is, you know, this is not about, you know, there's one thing that happens when it comes to little crowds and little groups that run around that. And by the way, I want to say this, too.

I think this county and this area and this city and this county, you know, this just, just, there's, there's, I think there's a bigger thing going on there than we, then I'm not going to go into it. But, but I think there's a bigger thing going on there that runs a lot deeper than we think it does. You know, it's kind of like the Murdoch case here in South Carolina. There's craziness. It seems like there's just veins of that whole thing everywhere. It's kind of like your body. You've got veins all over your body. It's not one vein.

It's thousands, right? It could be. It could be hundreds. Right. I think there's something bigger going on in that county that really, you know, it can happen. It happens a lot of times. It happens in our government. It's happening right now.

But the thing is, is that a lot of people believe that if they know something or someone they think is their friend or someone they think is, you know, whatever. ever is most of the time not. It's kind of like 6-9. I'll give an example. For anybody's listening that knows this, 6-9, the rapper, you know. He's the guy that went to jail. He freaking rolled on everybody.

Because, and he came out and said, I mean, he was facing like 50 years in prison. And he told on everybody. Like, everyone in this, in basically the, I think it was the Bloods, whatever gang it was. He told on everybody. And so

he came out and everybody was like, oh, I can't believe you snitched. I can't believe you snitched. Yeah, you're going to be dead in a week. And he said, look, they snitch on me any chance they get. Do you think they care about me? Like, they had sex with, you know, talking about they had sex with his girlfriends and like, they didn't give a crap about him. And, and that's why he said, I was sitting there like, I know they don't give a shit about me. So like, why am I going to put myself in prison for 50 years when, when they would roll on me in an instant? So I guess what I was. I guess what I was, I, I'm saying is a lot of people that are

thinking they're not snitches because they think whoever cares about them look man people that run in those circles people that run in those in those groups don't give a shit about you. They don't. They could care less about anybody. I mean, you know people like

this. I've known people like this. All they care about themselves. As long as they get out, but they want intimidation. They use intimidation to make sure their selves are okay. But they don't give a shit if you go to jail. They don't care if you get a jail. They don't care if you die. I don't care any of that. And, you know, Mark Hayes could very easily be you. You know, I mean, you know,

and that's what I'm saying, like, whoever did this to Marquez's bad people. They're bad people that were ruthless. And I, and I honestly think that, you know, you know, well, let's just throw up a theory. A theory could be that, you know, someone might have known something about something. I don't know who that would have been, but I'm just saying someone might have known something about something, and someone might have said, you know, this dude don't need to be alive anymore. Get rid of them.

And then, and then. And it kind of goes with maybe the knock rumors, but. Well, no, what I'm saying is. I don't want you to say too much. I'm just saying, you know, if someone knows something, right? And then this certain person that might be, who knows, they might be more powerful in other people. And by the way, I'm not talking about the sheriff's department, actually.

I'm just giving an example. But if a powerful person knows that you have something maybe on them, and then this person knows and so on and so forth, you know, things can happen and then, you know, and then things can get overlooked and who knows? I mean, I'm just saying, I've seen that in movies, right? Well, in just like the Murdoch case. Yeah.

You know, I mean, there's always, okay, like, for example, Alec, I don't know if you guys are falling it, but he's not the main bad person. It's like Chad said, It's a spider web of corruption and deceit. And there's more than one. Yeah, it's just one, it's not one person involved. Red flags.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. I mean, look, if you're smart, you're going to have your shit, you know, good to go. You know, you're not going to be a moron.

Like, I mean, and look, if Mark Hayes' case was more than just someone just decided to kill him, I think it was. I think it was, I think it has something more to do with just someone wanting him dead or, you know, or it was just a random murder. I think it was a lot more than that. I know at the time he was clean. I know that for a fact. But I still think it was more than that. And I don't know exactly what it was.

But you know what? If we, I think we'll figure it out. But listen, one of you guys listening to right now I could solve this and it could be over with. And like I said, you could just give a tip or whatever. I mean, just email us and use whatever email you want. I mean, however you want to do it, just do it. because I mean

if you didn't murder him then and I just hope you don't think the people that you might know that did care about you because that's probably 99.9% bullshit they don't give a crap about you they're just trying to protect themselves

and if it came down to them trying to screw you over over them they would do it and I know that about people I've been in law enforcement I've done I've done all that I know how people work I know I know all that stuff and we all know how people work. Yeah, we do.

We all have friends, but you know, you're number one, and you got to think about yourself before others. You do. And, but there's some things, you know, there's, there, look, I'll put it this way. There's some things out there right now that people are talking. And I'm not, I'm not going to go into who's talking or who's, who's not talking. But people are starting to talk. We've got a lot of feedback after office.

And, you know, we were. really didn't know at first because, you know, this is not like a popular murder case. This is a place in Arkansas. Yeah, a lot of, a lot of people that listen, a lot of people that listen to us, listen to us for something other than this. But, you know, we do probably have, you know, 75% of our audience that's going to listen to the night, listen to us over the past three years, right? So these are people that might be in the UK, they might be in Australia. 60% of those people are probably United States. And 25% of people that listen to the first podcast are in Arkansas. So, you know, that's, what, 60,000 almost downloads now.

So you're looking at 25, or no, 16, 17,000 people, I guess, in that area, somewhere around there. And, but what I'm saying is people are already talking. And I think this case will be solved. But I, but listen, for those of you that are talking, for those of you that are starting to say things, I commend you. You're brave. And you can be a hero for this family. can be a hero for society and just humanity. And the thing is, is that I do commend those people that are coming forward and they're

starting to say some things. They may not be comfortable with saying everything, but they are starting to talk. And I implore any of you, any of you that have any information, please email us, contact and Investing Earth podcast. I don't care if I know your name. You can make up a name. You can say your name is Joe Biden or Hunter Biden or Trump. I don't care.

I mean, whoever you want to say, Kamala Harris, just email us with any information you guys have. It'll, you just can't believe a difference that you can make in someone's life that didn't deserve to have their kid taken from them and murdered for any reason. It don't matter what he was involved in ever. Doesn't matter. And if you do know something and you're not saying anything, it's going to help you out a lot because I know you're feeling it.

You know? It's like, if you do. know something or you're telling a lie and you don't come forward you have that like guilty conscience i think you know like i it always helps i i don't like that even if you make a fake profile and email us it'll help you um but we're you know that we're going to leave it at that um we're going to have more to come we got some things that are possibly happening in this case over the next couple two three weeks that hopefully something may be found out may not be we'll we'll just have to see what happens.

But guys, I implore you. If you have any information, please reach out to us anonymously. You can do that anonymously. And it may really help a family and someone that don't deserve to go through this. So we appreciate you guys listening. The name of this song we're going to end this with, we knew it the last podcast, but it's called Good World Gone Bad. And that's kind of fitting for this podcast.

So we will let you guys go. and until next time have a great one have a great night have a great week if you have a guilty conscious email us yes

see you later we'll talk to you guys soon