Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - MH370 Conspiracy Podcasts Pt 3 | UFO UAP Reverse Engineering | Ashton Forbes Interview

Episode Date: November 2, 2023

Welcome to the latest installment of the MH370 Conspiracy Podcast with Ashton Foribes. In this episode, we delve into the ongoing mystery surrounding the disappearance of Malaysian Airlines Flight 370. Our exploration will focus on potential connections between this perplexing event and clandestine US weapons technology. Additionally, we'll contemplate the intriguing possibility of extraterrestrial involvement—could this strange vanishing still be attributed to UFOs/UAPs? Join us as we unravel the compelling theories and developments surrounding this perplexing case. All of this and more on this episode of MH370 Conspiracy Podcasts Pt 3 | UFO UAP Reverse Engineering | Ashton Forbes InterviewOur FacebookOur XOur InstagramInvestigate Earth RumbleAshton on X

I'm losing. Oh, and welcome to Investigator, the podcast. I am your host, chat, alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry, as you know, that she is beautiful because I say it every freaking time. Thank you, babe. I know it. No, I really don't know it, but I hope I'm beautiful. You are beautiful. But anyways, guys, you're in store for an amazing interview with Ashton.

Like, if you want your mind to be blown away, it's going to be blown away tonight. Well, it will be. I mean, I think this interview is our best with Ashton. We've had, this is number three now. We've had two previous with Ashton. And we're talking about the MH3-70 aircraft disappearance. Ashton is blowing up all over the Internet. He's blowing up all over the Internet, all over social media.

He has got a letter into Congress. We're hoping that he's going to actually be able to go in front of Congress in a public congressional hearing. there are major names in the community of both UFOs and just physics and science that are following Ashton and really want to know what his path to disclosure is. I think Ashton is doing an amazing job. Ashton obviously is an extremely smart guy and he is blowing the freaking lid off of this case of MH370,

the disappeared aircraft. And by the way, for those that don't know what the MH370 thing is, if maybe you've not listened to our previous two episodes or you don't even know anything, Maybe you're just brand new and you just found her episode. Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, also known as MH370, was an international passenger flight operated by Malaysia Airlines that disappeared from radar on March 8, 2014,

while flying from Kuala Lepar International Airport in Malaysia to its planned destination in Beijing Capital International Airport in China. And the reason for the disappearance has not been conclusively determined, according to Wikipedia, the crew of the Bowen 777-200, registered as NMRO has last communicated with air traffic control around 38 minutes after takeoff when the flight was over at the South China Sea. The aircraft was lost from ATC's secondary surveillance radar screens minutes later, but was tracked by the Malaysian military's primary radar system for another hour,

deviating westward from its planned flight, crossing the Malai Peninsula and the Atamon Sea. It left range, a radar range, 200 nautical miles northwest of Penang Island in northwestern Peninsula of Malaysia. So for those of you don't know, this has been one of the most crazy, one of the, I guess, more conspiratorial mysteries as far as airline crashes slash disappearances. And this is not a crash because we don't actually know this thing ever actually crash. this was a disappearance from an airliner with a with a lot of people on board and ashton who we are about to interview for the third time by the way i think this is our best interview with ashton he really breaks down you know where he is going with this how he's found all this information who he believes to be the actual original leaker of the videos that which basically shows some type of interdimensional UFO uap maybe even

reverse engineering technology that is surrounding this aircraft to where it disappears based on satellite, flare, and other data. And Ashton has a very, very convincing case. I mean, you have some of the biggest people in the industry and in the space following Ashton because they are extremely interested in what he has to say. He has done a ton of research. And I commend Ashton for all of his research. And he's done a great, great job with all of it. And this interview is amazing. And guys, I'm, I'm so glad we had them back on.

I think you guys are going to love this interview. And before we get in this interview, I want to say just some, I guess, housekeeping things real quick. Please understand this, that if you guys send us emails to contact an investigator's podcast, we cannot reply to those because Google has basically blocked our ability to reply to people for whatever reason. Yeah, we tried again last night and it did not work. Our email, if you want to contact us, say anything to us, whatever it is. It is Investigate Earth Podcast at Protonmail.com. That is how you can reach us. If you want to follow us on social media, we have a really close-knit little family over there on Facebook.

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Also, and I know it's crazy. I'm actually advocating Facebook. But Facebook has actually been pretty good to us lately. Yeah. X, on the other hand, we're still Shadow Band on X. This platform is supposedly the free speech platform. Joe Rogan just had an episode with Elon Musk, which we're going to probably break down that episode because I have a lot to say about that.

We have to. But, you know, X is supposedly the free speech platform. Well, it's not. Okay. I don't care what Elon Musk goes on Joe Rogan and says or whatever. We got to break all of that down. And we will also break down some of the things that Elon Musk said about COVID on this stuff. But how much is Elon even really in control of X anymore?

I don't think he is. He has Linda Yaccarino, which is the CEO. She's a very, I think she's definitely left. She definitely is anti-free speech. She has recent interviews that she has. went on on CNNBC and I believe other platforms to where she's basically saying they're they're they're they're they're stricter on speech now than they were when Twitter was before them so it's just like and Twitter is supposed to save humanity yes supposedly yeah I mean he paid

$44 billion for free speech but yet they're still not actually free speech on the platform so but listen I do encourage you guys to also go follow us on X because we can beat that little algorithm but be sure to follow us on Facebook We are there. We got a little family, a little close-knit family over there, and I encourage all of you to follow us there. And we do have Rumble. I mean, we'll get to Rumble at some point.

I don't know. But this is our thing. But guys, without further ado, let's get into the interview. This is an amazing interview. Ashton, thank you so much for coming on. Thank him very, very much for coming on, guys. I think it was a great interview. And I think it's mind-blowing.

And I think part four when Ashton comes on, we got to get in a little deeper. We got to get into the things that are. going to blow your mind even more. Interdimensionality, how some of this stuff works, what he's talking about. But what he talks about tonight is going to blow your mind as it is. So, guys, enjoy the interview with Ashton. Here you go. All right, guys, we are here with Ashton.

Ashton. How's it going, man? Welcome back. Hey, good, Chad. And Sherry, nice to see you guys again or talk to you at least. Yeah, we can see you. You cannot see us. For those out there, listen, we can see Ashton.

Ashton. Ashton, so last time we left off, and by the way, both episodes you've been on have got huge numbers. I think this is a very fascinating topic. And I think at the very least, I think this is something that a lot of people are starting to come to the reality of, at least, that, hey, that what you are bringing to light, and not just you, but I mean, there's been others as well. But you really are researching and digging and really devoting large part of your life to the disclosure of, You know, what is this? How is this happening? Last time you came on, we had talked about, really, we were more on the topic of like the UFO thing and a teleportation deal and all of this. Like, are UFOs connected? Are these UAPs? We had touched briefly on, like could it be some type of government secret, either weapon, energy weapon or something we don't even know about? But you had recently written a letter to Congress and I found that very fascinating. But just give us a kind of a brief rundown since the last time we had talked about the UFOs. What are just some of the things that you have been doing since our last episode? Yeah. And I think, first of all, I want to thank the community, you know, even the community that began this, mostly on Reddit, I would say, but generally social media in general, that kind of really had the resurgence of this case come up.

And then my own organization, MH370X, who has been just digging through all the research, all the old news articles, everything we can find out there. uncovered so much since the last time we talked. Yeah. You know, we've looked in, we found the leaker, I think, the person who leaked this potentially, somebody who checks all the boxes. We've come to the conclusion that the event that made this plane go dark was a lithium ion battery fire.

And we found at least 10 more witnesses that corroborate that event. So we've actually uncovered quite a bit that I think, you know, changes the shape of what we think the most likely narratives are. But even despite all that, there's still quite a bit of mystery still involved in this case. So I'm glad to have all your listeners here. today and kind of listen to what we've got to in store for them. Yeah. And by the way, guys, Ashton has kind of blown up since, you know, I think when you first came

on our first episode, you were, it was kind of in its infamacy, I guess. And you, the community and the people that really want answers around this, I read your post. I see you on, on X, and I see the people in response. People are on fire for this because I think that, you know, regardless, right? We've done a lot of UFO stuff. We've talked about it on with you even. And I think based on what we talked about before the show, which we're going to get into, is it's kind of transition a little bit outside of the UFO community now to the point of, hey, you know, maybe that's not what it is.

And I think we got to come to the realization. Now, you've kind of been attacked a little bit recently, right? And it was something I think that we had talked about on the second episode. I said, anytime you get close to the target, you know, there's going to be arrows thrown at you because the closer you are, the target, the more people are going to come after you, the more arrows they're going to fling at you. What has kind of been some of the response to the new findings? Do you feel like as you've gotten more popular that there have been more people coming to attack you? What is kind of your stance and your just viewpoint on that? Yeah, I mean, just definitely more people in terms of attack me,

especially across social media. We're getting heavily censored, especially on Reddit for sure. You know, and I try to just ignore it for the most part. I mean, for me, I think it's just a bit of a distraction. We're just trying to keep focused on the investigation and keep the investigation moving forward. I think that you'll see from my posting, the only time I ever try to address any of that is when it really starts to gain a lot of steam in terms of some of the negative, false things like it said. Otherwise, in general, you know, the approach is we're just going to kind of heads down, keep moving forward on it. I think that like you said, when you're over the target, you're going to have more people trying to stop you, trying to cast doubt on you.

what I would say regarding it is to date not a single person nobody has been able to refute the evidence nobody so instead you know they attack the messenger they tried to you know attack the credibility of the person who is presenting that evidence and that's why I think it was so important that I have this clearance because what that means is I've been through a background check and explain your clearance by the way yeah so my clearance is as a government contractor um through part of my job I have this government clearance which means that you know I've gone through this background check to show that I'm a credible individual, that I'm somebody who can be trusted with, you know, sensitive information in general. That doesn't mean that I have any kind of secret

information and I'm not a, you know, disinformation agent or any agent of the government in that sense. As a contractor, it means I don't work directly for the government. I just work with the government. And it's not necessarily anything special. A lot of people do have clearances to this degree. And as I've always repeatedly stated, the information we're presenting is verifiable. You don't have to trust or believe anything I'm saying because you can check all the information yourself. So going back to your point again and kind of what we're just talking about, you know, what this means is the reason why potentially people are not attacking the evidence is because the evidence is verifiable. So the only way they can try to discredit it is by trying

to discredit me instead. And by the way, I think Ashton, one thing I've caught on to you, because I've done a lot of things in my life as far as interacting with a lot of people. I've kind of been down the law enforcement thing. I've done that. I was known to, you know, part of your job in that is to know people, understand people, and figure out where they're coming from. One of the things I get from you is, number one, you're extremely smart. I think that you're probably whatever job you do for the government, and you do it for a reason because you have expertise and smarts

in certain areas that the government needs. And so that's one of the things, especially if you read your post and you read kind of your investigations and how you present all of your evidence, is very thorough, it's very well-spoken, and it's something that is, I believe, very beneficial to disclose. or whether it be UFOs or not.

Now, I want to get into this. So as I've been looking, as far as the UFO community, and listen, nothing more. Like even when you came on and we had talked to you. And I was like, man, this would be so cool if this is what proves UFOs over anything. And that was my whole thing, too, that I wanted to say was that I was 100% sure that you had found out that UFOs did something to this plane. And then when we come onto this next interview today, and it almost like saddens me that it possibly is not that. Yeah.

And Ashton's going to get into that. But, and sure, you make a great point. But some of the attacks from the UFO community, and I've seen some of those, by the way. I've kind of done research before we came on here. I've kind of looked up to MH370 thing. And I've kind of tried to find the people that were going against you. I went to Reddit.

I've seen these posts. I've seen the, and I've actually read the post and what their validation is for going after you. Like, what were they saying amongst? their redditors that was their validation for, oh, Ashton is this or Ashton is that or whatever. Number one, they're talking about you, right? So it means that you're making waves, and this is huge on Reddit. But I think the reason why you're getting attacked mostly by the UFO community, and I think the UFO community that is listening to us tonight is probably whether they want to agree with this or not,

they have to agree with this. Some of the new findings, which we're going to talk about in just a minute, may actually lead away from the UFO thing, right? And I think that the UFO community in a lot of ways, they always want anything possible that could possibly be UFOs to be UFOs. And if it isn't, they're like, oh, well, he is a agent for the government. He is someone that is trying to spin us off the trail of the UFO thing. And this UFO community is very passionate about, like, we want disclosure, especially the past a year or two.

I mean, this has been a massive, very passionate thing for this community. And we get all that. But also, I don't think you're an agent trying to misinform. people off of the UFO trail. But I think, at the very least, in my opinion, I think that the fact that you're kind of going away from that a little bit is more credible to me. And I think that really it should be more worrisome to people what we're going to talk about than even UFOs, because if this is the case, it's a very scary thing.

Ashton, can you read, is there any way you can go through your letter to Congress? And maybe that's how we start this. and then we'll get in all this. Yeah, I'd be happy to. And what I'd say is that, so the bad news might be that it's not necessarily directly UFOs in terms of the way the investigation has rolled out and how it's uncovered. But at the same time, I think that it will potentially show a reverse engineering program which can still lead to disclosure.

So I think if I read the letter here, that should all kind of become somewhat apparent and why I wrote it in general. So it begins as my letter to Congress. Dear Congress, my name is Ashton Forbes, and I'm currently disclosing the most important videos in the history of the world. All the information is publicly available. I would like to state that I have a top secret government clearance as part of my job as a contractor. My job has nothing to do with advanced technology. I am only stating this to establish my credibility. I am not bound by an NDA. This is not a hoax, disinformation or misinformation. You do not need to believe

me because everything is verifiable. I am requesting a public hearing. I am willing to testify in front of Congress as to the authenticity of the videos and explain every aspect of them. I would like to invite physics experts to validate the science on display. The videos in question are that of the true fate of Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 on March 7, 2014 at 1840 UTC at the Nicarbar Islands. One is of an MQ1C Grey Eagle with a thermal layer added by the leaker, and the other is a 3D battle space based infrared system via Sigint signals intelligence using data from spy satellite USA 229, which is a sister satellite next to it classified as debris. This is a single-inthens. This allows for the proven 3D stereoscopic imagery we see in the satellite video.

The oldest archived versions of the videos we can find come from Regicide and on, a UFO video uploader who has uploaded unrelated videos previously, indicating that they are not the source. Higher quality versions were released by other UFO uploaders on YouTube later on, indicating that neither is the original source. The dates are damning. The satellite video date says received March 12, 2014, uploaded May 19, 2014. MQ1C Gray Eagle footage has received June 5th, 2014. Uploaded June 13th, 2014.

So why now, many ask? Because only in 2023 do we have the basis to understand these videos to be real. We needed the 2017 DOD Navy UAP videos to understand what Fleer footage looks like, the 2019 Trump satellite leak, to understand those capabilities. 2020 scientific papers that show wormholes are humanly traversable. LK99 shows the emergence of superconductivity, and finally, AI and daily use is chat GPT. Without all of these things, the MH370 videos seem like magic. We know the location of the videos because the investigative group I started, MH370X, satellite experts,

used amateur historical trajectories to identify the correct satellite in the correct position to take the 3D stereoscopic video we see. We can see six sets of coordinates in the satellite video, which we had incorrectly thought were in the South Indian Ocean until we realized that the only possible location was the Nicobar Islands because the plane is turning left in both videos and due to the coordinate shifts. This means that the plane is turning south into the east. The satellite and witness, Catherine T, indicate that the time is 1840 UTC, March 7, 2014. Then I have some several links in here to prove that the satellite video is 3D stereoscopic, the video explanation of the Sibbers system, USA 229, the smoking gun with a flyover,

as well as the witnesses old archive blog post indicating that she had reported this just days after the event. I've been investigating and writing about these videos as citizen journalist for the past 10 weeks. My ex-corp Twitter following has gone from 30 followers to 8,500. It's actually over 20,000 now of multidisciplinary backgrounds from the strength of the evidence alone. My handle is at Just X Ashton. We have definitively proved every aspect of the videos to be authentic. We know the assets, the time, the location. we have a witness. We know that there was a fire on the plane, likely from the lithium ion batteries,

which broke containment, causing the halong gas to permeate throughout the plane. Then there's a link to the lithium ion battery piece. There was no debris field, which is impossible for a 777 crashing into the ocean. The small amount of debris found are consistent with the fire scenario, and some of the debris even had burn marks on them. A fire suppression device from a B777 washed up on the Maldives it was not investigated despite having visible serial numbers. The Maldives were intentionally excluded from the search, despite witnesses on one small island seeing a plane flying low with identifying red and blue stripe of Malaysian Airlines

early in the morning on March 8, 2014. And then I have a link to all the witnesses. We ended up finding out that there's at least 10 more witnesses that corroborate the lithium ion battery fire scenario. We know that the official narratives are a lie to cover up this technology that was deployed to either save the plane or as espionage to prevent the 20 free-scale semiconductor scientists on board from going to China.

I suspect that they are integral to the technology we see. We know that the plane didn't crash into the ocean because the SOSIS system did not hear an acoustic sound. The same system that heard the Titan sub-pop and the Navy lied about it for five days while oxygen counters were running on every major news channel. The Diego Garcia and Western Australia hydrophones also didn't hear it. Then we have a link to the missing hydrophone data piece that outlines this. I wish that this being MH370 was the most important part of these videos, because ultimately I'm doing this for the family of the victims,

the witness, the leaker of these videos, and the world that was lied to. However, the most important part of these videos is they prove conclusively that the U.S. government is hiding superconductivity, teleportation, and free energy from the world. Everything we see in these videos can be explained by science. This is not aliens in these videos. This is our technology. The assets are filming the plane before the orbs even show up. The drone cannot catch a 777200.

It must have intercepted it. This is a U.S. government operation. I did not believe that we could be this secretly advanced without a reverse engineering program. The orbs in this video are ignoring gravity, being pulled forward by a gravity engine indicated by the dark lines in front of them, and upon intercept are traveling at estimated Mach 3 speeds. The explanation for their pattern is artificial intelligence, a computer problem. program. And then there's links to the super-conduct harmonic, superconduct orb's and traversable wormholes pieces that I've written. The videos do

not show annihilation because E equals MC squared and the zap would be much larger. It is not an explosion because it's cold in the thermal. It's not hot. It is equivalent to a black hole. It is also not cloaking because the smoke stops when the plane disappears. It has to be teleportation based on science. I found out to my own surprise that humanly reversible wormholes are theoretically possible. This singularity is causing a transitional phase state change in the plane, where it reverts to a wave function and obtains a probabilistic nature.

This is only possible with superconductivity and free energy technology. Then there's a link to macroscopic decoherence plane, a piece, which is how the plane was quote unquote teleported. I was also able to identify the leakers of the videos as being lieutenant commander Edward C. Lin. He checks every box to have. be the leaker. Our government attempted to put him in prison for life as a traitor, but he is no spy. Edward C. Lin is a hero. He took a plea deal after he was convinced that he had damaged national security, but he never revealed this information to our enemies. He simply wanted to do the right thing and tell

the world the truth of this technology and what happened to MH370. He was sentenced to nine years in prison and was likely bound by his plea deal to never speak of the videos again. We can vindicate this man as well as everyone else who has lied to or discredited. And then I have the piece of evidence that the leaker is Edward C. Lin, which is very extensive. I also got a tip from a source that told me that the nephew of retired general Joseph F. Dunford had seen the videos and indirectly confirmed their authenticity. He was likely in charge of the operation as commander of the International Security Assistance Force in 2014. He then served as the 19th chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the nation's highest ranked military officer,

and principal military advisor to the President, Secretary of Defense, and National Security Council from October 1st, 2015 through September 30th, 2019. He is now on the board of directors at Lockheed Martin. While the destination of the plane is speculative, the most likely place is Diego Garcia. The witnesses in the Maldives indicate that, as well as the American passenger, Philip Woods,

exif data photo that points to Diego Garcia where he was claimed to be held prisoner. I'm not sure what happened to the passengers. It is scientifically possible that some survived. None of the families of the victims have reached out to me, and they still haven't. I am operating on the assumption that they were returned to their various countries in exchange for their silence, and Philip Wood may be in witness protection. I have a link to the Philip Wood exif data picture that was rebunked that had previously been debunked.

I know that the videos seem impossible, but they are authentic. They are not CGI. We were able to show that the satellite videos of Citric session logged into the actual spy satellite database due to the frame rate discrepancy that we see between the mouse and the background, 24 frames per second versus six frames per second. Also, hundreds of community of VFX experts have analyzed the footage frame by frame and not a signal discrepancy can be found. The list of requirements to hoax of videos is practically impossible. Now, we have a list of the requirements and the time frame required, as well as the piece about it, not being CGI. These videos implicate the U.S.

government in a black budget reverse engineering program la la la whistleblower David Grush's sworn testimony to Congress. This information will shock you, and I hope you seek to expose the truth. This surpasses petty politics. Please help for the good of the country. This is a verifiable conspiracy. And while I believe it is being done because the forces that be think that society will collapse if this technology is made publicly available, I disagree. We can handle this information and the technology has the capability to change the circumstances of millions, if not billions of people. What matters in this world is the time we spend in it with the people that we care about. That will not. change. The reason I'm requesting the public congressional hearing is because I believe the weight of

the evidence can convince enough people in Congress that the true events of MH370 were covered up by our own government and that there is a black budget advanced technology program most likely based on reversed engineered unidentified aerial phenomenon otherwise known as UAPs sincerely Ash and Forbes. Wow. Yeah, that's amazing. There's so much. There's so much you say in there and the amount of breakdown we could do with this. Yeah, where's we're going to have to try to do a little bit of this. Because, you know, one of the things I kind of wrote down, too, in this is that you, you call on science or physics experts to attend the meeting as well, the congressional hearing if you can get it.

And by the way, I encourage everyone out there that is part of the government or high up positions. I know we have a lot of people out there that listen to us that have those positions. if you can help that in any way, please do. And I want to make that very clear right now. So you feel like, and based on everything I hear, obviously, and even just listening to you talk, you definitely know what you're talking about. I think you've done, you know, I mean, I think that's extensive research. But what it sounds like to me is that you have found the true cause of the disappearance of this plane

and it's reverse engineering from our government. And they're hiding this stuff, and that's what's going on. And that's why all the hate and all the stuff going on right now. Yeah, so, Ashley, let me ask you, the science and the physics experts or whoever, what would you hope to get out if you had a congressional hearing set up? And would you be calling on science and physics experts that can prove this, or would you be calling on those experts that would be trying to disprove them? in this hearing.

I mean, I think the ones that can explain it in general, but I've been getting tutored behind the scenes in terms of the physics of it. And even what I wrote there is slightly outdated. Like, I don't think we're going to call this a black hole or a wormhole anymore. Really what it is is macroscopic decoherence. And even recently, what we've been able to figure out is that what's happened here in this phase state change is converting to a Bose-Einstein condensate, which certain elements can already do this if you super cool them.

The real question is, how do you do this to a seven-state? 77. And what we were able to figure out even just in the last week, honestly, is that everything that we see is made of fermions, everything that is, kind of has mass or like shape, really. And stuff like lasers where it's focused light, those would be made of bosons. But it's apparently possible to convert fermions into bosons. And what that does is allow for this phase state change where it goes, something goes from being very massive to now being able to be collapsed upon itself and then apparently being converted back. So we're not talking about dematerialization when we're talking about this teleportation.

We're really talking about non-locality in terms of what the double slit experiment has been able to prove. So taking quantum teleportation and applying it to the macro level. So ultimately what this means is a unifying concept of quantum and macro and being able to unify those two concepts so that a 777 theoretically could have the same properties as the quantum world. and then therefore travel faster than the speed of light, which is what we see with quantum teleportation.

Yeah. And this new theory kind of explains why they found the wing after, you know, off the coast of wherever it was. That kind of explains that because that never made sense to me. If they, you know, teleported or went to another dimension or whatever, you wouldn't find any of the airplane. But now we kind of understand why we found a part of it. Potentially.

And it was burnt. And we don't even know, by the way, that that, that, that is actually connected to this airplane, right? Yeah, and because the thing about the flap around, which is interesting, is it was missing its unique serial plate. So they actually matched it with a non-unique serial number. So that could be a flap run from another equivalent 777. But the beauty of this explanation with the fire, excuse me,

on teleportation is that we're using more evidence than anybody else today has used. We have ruled out almost no evidence. And the situation of the debris is very consistent with the fire scenario, where pieces of it could be falling off, where we found an intercepted communication. It was only reported in Chinese news. It was claimed to be from MH370 saying it was disintegrating and attempting an emergency landing. So the debris in general is 100% consistent with this fire scenario and teleportation scenario, as you guys pointed out.

Let me ask you, what's the deal with the Trump satellite leak? Explain that for a minute. Yeah, and I don't know people get upset when I called a leak, but he posted a picture, a satellite picture in 2019 on, I believe, Twitter, while he was president. And this was a reverse kind of engineered by a guy named Marco Lambbrook, who was able to show that it was USA 224, which was sent up in 2011. A satellite? And we could, yeah, the satellite.

And we can see it that it's a low Earth orbit satellite from the angle. The geostationary satellites are so far away that they're from straight down. And this one's coming at an angle. And people didn't believe that it could be real because of how clear the picture was. and it's very similar in terms of resolution to what we're seeing in our satellite video. Now, I don't think people realize that we could do video versions of this, right? But there's no reason why not, right? Because video is just still images put on top of each other.

The benefit that he had was that there was a huge shadow. And if you look at that picture, it's much brighter than ours are. So we believe this indicates, if you look at our video, there's no shadows anywhere, not from the clouds on the water, not from the plane. that we indicate that ours is at night and we're looking at a false color IR at night. And this is also indicated by the zap. When the zap goes off, there's a flash that happens

that accurately eliminates the clouds that if that was in the middle of the day might not be nearly as visible. So this is kind of the missing link in terms of understanding how this could be satellite footage and potentially the year that the satellite that's taking this one up. And USA-229, the one was in potentially the right location right over the flight path at 1840 UTC,

which could not have possibly not seen the plane. Right. It's also sent up in 2011. So that's kind of our link there to figure out that, oh, this actually seems like it very high likelihood, even though the class information about the satellite and its capability to classify that this could be the one. Yeah. It almost sounds like they knew what was going to, I mean, and I'm just being, you know, a normal person on, you know, just being normal, not smart or whatever,

but it just sounds like they already knew that this is what they were going to do. and they already had drones out there. They had things ready to, like, video it. Yeah. It is interesting because, I mean, a lot of the angles and satellites and seemed like everything was kind of lined up. I mean, is it possible that these things were in place on purpose? Yeah, I mean, I think that the only question is, did they react? Because they had an hour and 20 minutes from this plane going dark.

Or was this all set up from the beginning? Right. And that's where the mystery is still lies. So we're very, very confident there was a fire. the question is, was the fire intentional or was it accidental? Right? And then that kind of bleeds into what you guys were pointing out, which is, was this all set up ahead of time as an operation?

Or did they just react and happen to have the assets in the area because there was, you know, Thailand, USA exercises going on in the Andaman Sea. Yeah. The drone is very slow. So, you know, it either reacted pretty quickly and got there and they had this rendezvous point set up or it was already planned out ahead of time. And that part, I don't know if we'll ever be able to discover or understand. but that's what we'd be looking for the U.S. government to help explain if they ever do, you know, go ahead and admit the truth about this scenario.

Right. And just talking about this fire on the plane and the battery or whatever, is that a normal thing that we would see on other planes that would crash, you know, particularly? I don't know. No, I mean, I can tell you from avian perspective now. Well, so here's the thing about it. There was, I looked into this and there was a lot of lithium-on battery fires that took down planes between like 2010 and 2014. Okay. And it turns out that we kind of just began to discover how dangerous these were around this time. 2015 is when the FAA issued new regulations that lithium ion batteries could no longer be in the cargo bay of passenger planes. And these are so serious now that I went to mail some letters to Congress, actually. And they asked me if there was any lithium ion batteries in my letter.

I just got another package today as well that had a big thing on the front saying lithium ion battery inspected. The lithium ion batteries that were put on this plane, we just released a piece the other day. They missed inspections twice. They were put together that same day that they went on the plane. The way they seemed to be packaged and stored on the plane from talking to people looked extremely unsafe, just stacked on each other on a palette. Oh, wow.

And just looking at them in general, they don't look safe at all. They almost look like improvised explosive devices, the way that they were like put together and stacked into these packages. So all of this leads me to believe with a very, very, very high degree of certainty that that's what happened. And if you go watch videos of lithium ion battery fires, they are very explosive events. And then they burn. And then there's videos of people trying to put them out and they just keep coming back up.

Kind of like those candles that are like the fake candles that people do for the birthdays. And you kind of get that orange glow that you guys saw in the original videos. Yeah. So the orange glow is coming from the halen gas. So what's happening here is the early witnesses don't see it because this has to, this event has to permeate throughout the whole plane potentially break containment from the cargo bay. And they're using all of the extinguishers to try to put this fire out. So an hour and 20 minutes later, now what's happened is this gas essentially removes the oxygen.

And that's kind of how it's supposed to fight the fire. And what it seems to be releasing through this chemical reaction is bromine. And that is a halogen. If you go look up halogen lamps, they look exactly the way that KT described the plane. And she described it this halo effect, this hazy halo, which would explain the gas filling up the plane and potentially seeping out through whatever. If the plane has been depressurized, which we think is what happened from this explosive event, it explains why the witnesses saw the plane flying so low.

Because if the plane is depressurized, then they have to stay low to keep the passengers alive and have enough oxygen, right? So that's the thing that's pretty interesting is that, you know, I think we talked one of our first podcasts about how sometimes when people lie, they'll include an element of truth. Yeah. And one of the things they said is, well, the pilot had depressurized the plane. But if the pilot depressurized the plane, they're not going to be flying low, right? They're going to be trying to fly high so that everybody, you know, dies or whatever.

Yeah. But I found out that the oxygen mask lasts for 20 to 30 minutes. And the pilot would have had to have an oxygen mask themselves because they're not immune for it either. So the whole event of the pilot doing it made no sense. But if it would accidentally depressurized, now everything that's happening with this plane flying low all makes sense. All right. let's get into, you're right, let's get into the leaker or who you think is the leaker.

What's the deal with a leaker? Because you had mentioned it in the congressional letter. How did you kind of find this? And do you really truly 100% think this is the guy? I'm about 99% or higher, sure, at this point. I would have expected somebody to reach out to me if I'm blasting this guy's name and he somehow isn't the guy like, yeah you're vilifying this guy right and like i wouldn't do that unless i was almost absolutely

certain what led you there so what was the why why do you think this the guy and i know you mentioned in the letter but like take us through it yeah so first thing i tried to figure out is we could have a really good psychological profile of the person that leaked this based on the videos itself all the information that was cropped out indicated that this person with somebody was potentially a Patriot. The fact that we see this colorized thermal, even though Fleer footage we usually see is black and white with the HUD data missing, indicated they were potentially an operator. So I already had a really good idea of the type of person I was potentially looking for. And I said one day, I was sitting there at night. I was like, you know what? I wonder if I can

find this person. And I initially thought, well, they would try to hide this conviction and record somehow in the military, right, that we wouldn't be able to find it. So first thing I Googled and found out is that unless you're in martial law, there's actually no way to hide these. convictions from the public. It has to be public information. So then I said, okay, I'm going to start looking up everybody who was charged with espionage, will for retention of classified documents, or willful retention of national defense information. And for like over a week, I couldn't find anybody and I was about to give up. And then I started doing some way back searches of, you know, Google searches from like 2014 to 2018-ish, figuring that because it was a Citric session, they would

have had to catch them pretty quickly. And then I ran into Lieutenant Commander Edward Cielin. This guy right away, I just, once I saw Signals Intelligence, which as you guys heard from the first piece there, like we're looking at signals intelligence here on everything, right? That's when I peaked my interest. Everything else I read about him really made it stick. So let me run through some of it.

He was a naval flight officer, experienced in signals intelligence, Sigant, aboard the U.S. Navy Lockheed Martin, EP3, Ares, 2. I looked this up. One of the key aspects of this plane is real-time video playback. He had been put into arrested on September 11, 2015, which is just slightly over a year after these videos had leaked. He was a Taiwanese American, who was a U.S. citizen for nearly two decades. He was charged with the charges that he was stuck with could face a life sentence. It was the first major incident of espionage by an active duty member since the end of the Cold War. So this is one of the first people who have been charged with anything serious in a very, very long time.

His charge sheet heavily redacted. We pulled the charge sheet up. All the dates are redacted. There's two instances of classified information that he essentially leaked. They won't show us the charge dates on those, presumably because they would be able to tie to the videos in some way. So there was growing doubt. There's one piece called, you know, the strange case of Edward C. Lin. and there was growing doubt that the government could prove he was a spy.

He held a high level of clearance thanks to his signals intelligence specialists capabilities on the most sensitive intelligence gathering aircraft that there are. He was previously worked for a special project's patrol squadron that included that specialized intelligence. He had a secret clearance higher than top secret with access to the Navy's most sensitive secrets. At the time of his arrest, he was working for the airborne signals exploitation squadron called Special Project Squadron 2. He had access to the Navy's black program portfolio, and the government was very concerned that his knowledge could be extremely useful to potential U.S. adversaries.

His last duty before he was arrested was with the Special Project Squadron 2 in Hawaii from February 2014 to March 2016. The arrest followed meetings with the FBI where there had been a sting operation on him. they essentially tried to prove that he was a spy, and they were unsuccessful in doing that. He was in this most secretive unit in the service, and there was this quote that while this case didn't turn out to be related to foreign intelligence, not really a spy case, the sentence sends a strong message to the use of force about the safeguarding classified and sensitive information. While it was clear that the last year sensational headlines were far from accurate, unnamed government officials reports that Lin was suspected of spying for China and Taiwan, despite there being no evidence in the NCIS investigation that Lynn ever exchanged

sensitive information with anyone from China. In addition to this, his defense attorney argued that the classified information in question is available on the internet and that the interrogation that led to most of the charges against him was unlawfully conducted. The state or the government came back and said the information that the information is available on the internet does not declassify it. Whether or not the U.S. government has made it public, not whether or not anyone else has made it public is what to classify as their information.

May perhaps most damning, in 2014, Lynn had accidentally left two flight manifest in his flight suit from a deployment that included search and rescue code names. I can't think of any other search and rescue. you that he could have been a part of in 2014 given the narrow time frame. And this was, this was and just so, this was, yeah, MH370, right?

That was that. That was March of 2014. So this was one month after he had gotten onto that assignment from February 2014 to his upcoming arrest in 2015. In exchange for admitting to the lesser charges, Lynn did not face the charges of espionage

and the three charges of attempted espionage. So instead, he was sentence to a nine-year sentence with the last three years suspended as part of a pre-trial agreement with the government, along with 646 days credit for time served because they've kept him in prison during the whole time while this was all going on. Lieutenant Commander Edward C. Lin never spied on his country. This is a quote. He served faithfully in the United States for over 17 years, becoming a highly regarded and decorated officer.

He accepted responsibility for the offenses he was actually guilty of and he agreed to debrief and further assist the FBI and NCIS. A quote from him says, I get physically ill when I think about the damage that I could have caused from my actions. I'm exhausted and broken in spirit. The best thing I can do is serve a cautionary tale for others. In addition to this,

he was abused while he was in that pretrial detainment. Apparently there was a group called the Goon Squad that he argued was being led by leadership from up above that would come and take his things, ruffle his cell, put him on the cold. So they really came down hard on this guy. But I want to let him know is if he is Agent 370, the person who I believe will leak this, he is not a traitor. He is a hero.

And we salute this man. Yeah, absolutely. Kind of reminds me of Edward Snowden. Edward Snowden, you know, Edward Snowden. I mean, just listening to this makes me mad because if this is the guy that actually leaked it and then he's taking the brunt for the government. Of course he's going to. You know, he's taking the brunt and actually having to go to prison for this stuff. Well, I mean, we've seen this with Arnold Snowden.

We've seen this with Julian Assange. anyone that comes out and tries to help the public, right, or people or just humanity, right? Just regardless, they're going to get demolished by the government. And that's what's going to happen. Sorry. And I don't know if you were finished. No, that's good. I was just going to say that, you know, I think that he had an emotional reaction to watching these videos, right?

And thought that, well, nobody's ever going to figure this out without these. I don't think we ever would have been able to figure out without these videos, right? And I think we did him a disservice by not realizing they were real until 2023, where he's already been released. potentially from prison, making you imagine the psychological state this guy's been through. So he's not in prison right now, right? As far as I know, no. And I imagine that due to this plea deal,

I mean, I'm not sure exactly what would happen, but I would imagine the government would probably try to hook him up to some degree, right? Because they don't want him to go and release this information. Oh, they'll probably kill him. They need to keep him quiet, right, to some degree. So, you know, I just,

it had to be a terrible situation for him. And reading through this, I can't imagine us finding somebody who checks more body. than this. I went through and looked all those people you're talking about, like even Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning, all these people that have been out there. I looked at all these people. Nobody is remotely close. The other thing I want to point out is that he got nine years after a plea deal. Most of these people that were charged with, you know, whatever, giving information to their mistresses or whatever, they got slaps on the wrist compared to this guy. I mean, they came down super hard on

him. So whatever, this guy was leaking had to be really serious. Well, and I want to point out to, So he was a P3 pilot, E.P3 pilot, Lockheed Martin, EP3, which is also known as the P3 Orion. And I want to touch on this for a minute because this is kind of the aviation side. I want people to understand what this aircraft is, and also what the

new aircraft is today, which replaced the P3. So if he's a P3 pilot, that aircraft typically looks for well, actually, it's used by Noah, which is a hurricane hunter aircraft. I want to, like, tell so bad, but I'm going to let you. Sorry.

Well, the P3 is a hurricane hunter aircraft for NOAA, but it is traditionally known as a submarine hunter. It has very advanced capabilities as far as sonar. It also has fleer systems, typically. It has a lot of stuff on it. It is a turboprop aircraft. It has since now

been replaced by the P.A. Poseidon, which is basically a Bowen aircraft. So actually, right now, off the coast of Israel in that Mediterranean Sea, every If you go every once in a while on flight radar, you will see the P.8 Poseidon out there. There will be two or three or four of them.

And these aircraft are the most advanced and sensitive aircraft as far as, I don't know what you want to call it, but submarine hunters, they have a lot of advanced tech on board. So do you think, and so to the P3 thing, do you think that this guy was in the vicinity at the time of the different? disappearance of the aircraft. Yeah.

So here's the thing about that, too, is that we found this one article about it, too, about the case. And randomly in this article about the case at the top, they have a picture of the P8 Poseidon searching for MH370. Okay. That is just super strange. Did you just type in the P8?

We were just searching for articles. Somebody sent me this and say, hey, you need to take a look. At the top of this, there's a little blurb about searching for MH370 in this article about Edward C. Lin, right? And so I do think that he was potentially in one of these aircraft because KT, the witness, saw not only MHG70, but two other aircrafts that had navigation lights. As far as I can tell, there were not two commercial aircrafts in the area. If there were, I feel like they would have seen or heard from the airplane.

So the question there then is that, and also the French father who lost his wife and daughter, I believe, on the plane, had been told by somebody that the Americans had two AWACs in the area and that they knew exactly what happened. This corroborates KT's citing as well, which makes me wonder, I think that the psychological profile is the person that leaked these sawed in real time, not even later on, just real time.

So that would indicate he might have been somebody who was actually there on that day. Wow, that's crazy. So I want to take us back to the actual day that this happened. What has changed your mind, you know, and I think you probably told me in scientific terms, but what has changed your mind from going from, it could be possibly aliens to reverse technology.

Like, kind of take us through that what happened. Good question. Well, I think uncovering the fire is really a huge aspect of it. So last time we talked, I think I was torn between this espionage scenario or this UFO encounter emergency event where we were talking about maybe some type of UFO had jammed the plane or something like that. And again, we've just been following the evidence the whole time. And that's why I've left the narrative is pretty wide open.

and so, you know, the weight of the narratives have changed quite significantly from the evidence kind of being unveiled. So when we're not talking about an emergency event related to the fire, now we're talking about saving the plane, right? Is that now we have a motivation here because what's going to happen is this plane is doomed. It couldn't land in Penang. It's now going to the next option, which is trying to land in the water. The problem is you try to land in the water, the plane's going to break apart. It's not like trying to land in the Hudson River and the ocean. This plane is going to come apart no matter what.

And this is, again, part of the reason why not having a debris field is impossible. It's also the middle of the night. There's no light anywhere. This moon is down, sun is down. In addition to that, I lived overseas for a while. And one thing I learned is that mainland Chinese don't learn how to swim in general. So this plane was filled with 70% Chinese nationals. So what this all equates to is this plane is doomed.

And these people are all going to die essentially unless something happens here. Now, that, again, goes to what's the motivation? okay, we're trying to save the plane. And to me, if you're, I don't like to attribute human motivations to non-human intelligence. You know, to me, I would imagine they just don't care about us to that degree. Some people may argue that it's benevolent and that's fine. But for me, I think that we don't need that to explain any part of this. So in addition to that, the drone is already there.

They're already filming before the orbs even show up. The orbs are traveling at potentially mock three speeds, as I pointed out, meaning that it's very unlikely that this plane is outrunning them to any degree. Yeah. So essentially all of this kind of adds up to this being an operation based on the military. And as we dug into the technology, I used to think this was a thousand years more advanced. Now I'm thinking it's more like 50 to 100 years more advanced. And that now kind of goes back to the situation where it doesn't have to have exotic origins anymore.

Yeah. No, and I want to point out something too, because I think, and maybe you're doing this because you're, and I think probably you need to be this. way, by the way. I think you need to be the most mid, like, you know, if you look at politics, right, you have extremes on the left and right. And then you have very few people, by the way, today that are like middle of the road. And I think you do have to be middle of the road on the arguments on this, because you are presenting the evidence as you see it. And you're trying to give the most, I guess, soft points on certain aspects. But let me give a, let me give a little different scenario for a second. right so say your your scenario is that they maybe wanted to save this aircraft right or whatever the case is but what if what if what if that this was a intentional test on highly advanced reverse engineered technology that maybe they thought or believe that they could get away with and you know they based on what they believed behind

their technology. Well, no one's ever going to know. It's just this plane disappeared, and we're never going to find an ocean. Yeah, this is an experiment, and nobody's going to know. Yeah, but we also have to know, and I think a lot of people don't also realize this, but, you know, the U.S. government has been in control of HARP,

which is many people believe that HARP is a weather modification program that was once based in Alaska. I think people, you know, they say they close that program down. We actually had Alana Freeland, which has written three books on the HARP system and program. She's come on our podcast. a couple of times talked about this, talked about weather modification, then we've had someone come on. And I want to also touch on this as far as direct energy weapons and how that the United States government could utilize these.

One of the things you had mentioned too was China, right? Mm-hmm. There's all these things coming to play. And, you know, when we talk to, for example, Rashid on our podcast and even offline. And he talks about, you know, the real threat. The real threat in the world, regardless how we look at the world, China is to everyone the threat in a lot of ways as far as their technology, their government, they're behind of a lot more things than we think, even possibly even the Middle East stuff. We just don't know a lot of how much they're really behind. But let's just put it this way.

I understand you're saying maybe they save this plane, but I think potentially that this was a, you know, what if you're not? if it was a test that they thought they were going to get away with. They had this guy that, you know, wanted to leak this. He had a burden on his heart, soul patriotic guy. And I just, I don't have enough confidence in our government to say, hey, we're going to save this airplane. No, I think. Okay. I don't know.

I just don't think that. Let me throw a curveball at you here. Because one thing we found out, I wrote a piece called Motive last week. And then I called Freestyle Superconductors. And so I don't know if we previously mentioned, but I think the main motive here is not about money. I think it would have to be about something bigger than that, intellectual property. There were 20 free-scale semiconductor employees who were either engineers or scientists. They were all very important people.

This is way too many people to be on one plane from a big company. Yeah, I was going to ask you that. You can only have like three or four people. So what we found out here was we found a 2005 national security agency report that was investigating commercial emergence of superconductivity. And we're talking about room temperature superconductivity here, not the type where you have to cool it down to a large degree. And you can take a look at this report yourself, but essentially the conclusions from this were that it was aiming for industrial maturity in the 2010 to 2012 timeframe. In addition to that, one of the things that mentioned is without government investment, the development will not happen. This tells me that these people are directly tied to the technology we see in the videos because we think that what we're seeing here that's enabling all of this is superconduct.

activity in these orbs. Okay. That may also be enabling us. People were on the airplane that had. Yes. 20 of these free scale semiconductor employees that were engineers and scientists, very high people. So I have some quotes here.

These were people with a lot of experience and technical background. They were very important people. It's a devastating loss for the company. Top quality engineers are hard to come by for chip makers and technology companies. Part of this article also mentions they were going there to improve the efficiency of these various factories that were out there. Again, they were going to China. So you could argue, I think 12 of them were Malaysian and eight of them were Chinese.

You could argue that to your point, where you just said about China and about this, you know, there could be this shadow war going on for control of this technology, right? Whoever owns this technology and controls this technology simply controls the world. It's essentially that simple. So you could argue that these people were either people that helped develop this technology or that the government is trying to prevent them from taking their IP to China where they might get it and then be able to catch up with this technology. To me, this is the main motive. here. And then the question is, it could still be a test for sure, weapon test. But, you know, I think that just

given all the scenario here, you know, and we also found just the other day, 2019, there was this retired assistant general, I believe his title was where he was actually mentioning that we have the capability right now already in production to be able to transport a person from one place on the planet to another and under an hour. I mean, I watched that and went, how are people not freaking out when they're listening to this guy say this? Because how are you doing that? Exactly. Right. Right. No. The only thing I could think of is these videos and I'm just going, wait a minute. And where were these guys from on the airplane? By the way. From China, right? Yeah. So eight of them were from China and 12 of them were from Malaysia. I found another report that's 13 and 7, but either way, you know, kind of insignificant.

You know, them being on that plane is very significant, especially them being 20 of them on there. So to me, that's the big motive looking at that is I can't turn away from that because they're essentially, connected by this discovery of superconductivity where only recently we saw this LK99 where I personally think it's being kind of suppressed but even if it's not the real deal it shows that we're on the emergence of it right

we're coming right up to the superconductivity which superconductivity will change everything on this planet and what if these guys what if these guys believe but hey think about it this way what if these guys believed enough in their technology that they were like hey I'm about to get on this plane we're about to check this shit out that we've been working on for this for this long yeah

somebody actually mentioned that to me too and one of the other podcast is, you know, what if they knew it was going to happen and that they, you know, they believe them. They're like, yeah, we're going to be the test subjects. Right. Like, I mean, the only problem with that scenario was the fire, right? Like, what, do you intentionally setting a fire for yourself and put yourself in the limit? Yeah, you're not going to do that. Seems a little risky to me. And to be honest with you guys, like, I'm not even afraid of orbs anymore. I'm way more afraid of lithium ion batteries in my plane now. Like, these things are dangerous. Yeah. And that's what I want, and that's what I want to talk to you about was these batteries. These batteries, I guess,

are not normal on most planes? Or what? And you said they were like stacked up on each other. Yeah. So these are not like playing. Yeah. They're not running the plane. These are just cargo.

They had 221 kilograms. This is almost 500 pounds of batteries that they had just assembled that day that missed two security screenings. The most common way these batteries ignite is defects. But also if they get really hot, they can also defect. It was over 30 degrees Celsius that night. And one thing that we've been. speculating is that we can see the heat signature. I've been staring at it on my profile. I have the

picture of the thermal. There's a heat signature right underneath where the, uh, there's these exhaust ports that are next to the landing gear. And people speculate this is where the air conditioning units are. Well, we can see this smoke coming right out of the back of the plane. So potentially if the, the smoke and the heat is going through these air conditioning units, we're seeing it again, pour it out of the bottom this plane at an altitude as well. That's when we realized, oh, goodness, we are staring at it right there. Right. And why would, yeah, go ahead. Yeah, why would they transport these kind of batteries on a normal plane? Yeah, well, and we didn't know about them back then. If you look, I put a graph up that if you Google FAA and lithium ion batteries, like from 2010 to 2014, there's just like a few incidents. But a couple of these planes like actually burnt up and were to destroy a lot of people died. But now if you look at them now in the last few years, it's like 60, 70. I think just this year alone, there's already been over 55 incidents of lithium ion batteries. Now we're not even talking about in the cargo bay. We're talking about people up above having these lithium ion batteries and starting fires. But I think I think Sherry's question, too, is a valid one.

Like, this is an airliner. Why are you transporting that many lithium ion batteries on an airliner? With people. And you want to know another little connection here? The batteries were produced by Motorola. And do you know where free scale semiconductors split off of? Motorola back in the early 2000s. So there's quite a few connections here between these various companies, the cargo on the plane, the people that were on the plane.

and then potentially the technology we see. There might even be more connections to the cargo. I mean, we've got our investigators digging into everything on there, like pretty, pretty heavily. But we don't like to run with anything unless we're very, very confident. For sure. Yeah, I want to go back to David Grush for a second because I think this all kind of maybe possibly.

I mean, look, we had a whistleblower in front of Congress that had high-level clearance, supervised a lot of high-level people, apparently, and had many conversations. I believe he said over 40, right? Right, to where now the Congress knows. I mean, there are literally Congress people that are coming out and saying, we know there's a black budget. We know there is a budget that, you know, literally every year the Pentagon fails their,

they fail their audit every single year. Like 60% of what their budget is is failed because no one knows what 60% of the United States Pentagon's budget or the Defense Department is going towards. No one knows. So there's got to be a reason for that. Because it's secretive. Well, it is secretive. I mean, and obviously you can just, you know, you can compartmentalize and say, well, the reason why this is top secret.

We're not going to tell the public is because this is a national security type deal. We don't want to tell China what we have. We don't want to tell these people. But there's a lot of questions because the reality of this is, if Ashton, if what you're saying and kind of how you're going down this road and figuring. And listen, I'm going down this road with you, trying to understand and trying to get this. If what you're saying, though, is correct, then just say, for example, what the TikTok video was, right? Whether it be TikTok video, whether it be Commander Fravor, which I think, yeah, I think Commander Fraver is different. Oh, you're saying it could be government agencies that we're doing reverse engineering on all these things.

in the sky now and we're seeing much more now than we did in the past. Absolutely, we are. But at the same time, I believe as an American, especially with how completely trash this world is right now, as far as just like everybody's worried about World War III, like you better hope that the United States,

if you're a United States citizen, has this technology. Because if they do, this changes the game and the future of humanity, like in so many ways. I mean, and by the way, once they eliminate all the other countries, the United States, they're going to come after you with this technology probably next.

So, I mean, that's the scary part. But going back to David Grush, he did talk about, you know, these black budget programs to where you don't know where the money's going. We have no idea about this. But we actually do have someone in Congress is saying, hey, these UAP programs. And maybe, and listen,

I am a firm, I do. 100% believe that we have UAPs from other places that have visited this earth, to your point, Ashton. Right. I think that's where we probably got this technology. Yeah, we definitely have this technology. I am 100% sure. But what if we have... So part of that real quick is that

this macroscopic decoherence, I think this is part of one of the things that I tied this to reverse engineering is that I was watching David Gresh's interview with Jesse Michaels. And he actually mentions what seems to be macroscopic decoherence and the way these UAPs fly in the way they're able to kind of disappear and

reappear. That's what we're essentially dealing with this macroscopic decoherence here. And to your point about the technology, I truly do believe that we have this technology and that's what's keeping everybody at bay, is that that's how we're able to maintain military superiority is that we can deploy this technology anytime we want and it's just game over instantly. The scary part is other countries are going to catch up. These videos were out there. If I can figure out these videos from a Twitter account and some of an MH370x team, then Russia and China can definitely figure it out as well. And they probably already did years ago.

Yeah. That is, I mean, it's a good thing and scary thing at the same time. A great, great, great point, you know? So. But you are extra smart, by the way. I appreciate that. But I like to give the Einstein quote, which is that I have no special talents. I'm just passionately curious.

So let's play devil's advocate for a second. Say this has zero to do with our government and it is UAP. Is there, is there, what is, what is, what is, what is, What is your, and I know you're very confident what you believe as far as. That is not. Yeah. Sure. Let's explore. Yeah. Like, I mean, what is the biggest, I guess, for you?

And by the way, you, you've, we have interviewed you two times. And I think we've done this over to past, what, two months probably. And so the first time you came on, you were just open. You were open to conversation. The second time you came on, you were a little more conformed with a little, you know. but you were still kind of going back and forth. What is the biggest thing for you, if you want to argue against that this is non-human technology

versus this is our reverse engineering, like what is the single biggest thing that you would say this is us versus them, aka UAP technology? Probably just how advanced it is would probably be it, right? Like if you just think that there's no way humanity can be this secretly advanced, like that's probably the thing I struggle with the most, which is like, you know, can we really teleport, right, at this point?

Like that's the thing that I've always struggled with. And that's why, you know, when you're first looking at it, you see this triangle formation, which is, you know, all over UFOology. We see these orbs, which I've been in the zeitgeist now for five or six years. That's very common. But the thing about it is it's almost looks like it's our emulation of it. These orbs, we're not seeing metal spheres here. I think we're seeing an energy field around something that's much smaller.

The triangle pattern is not really consistent with what I've seen. seen in UFO triangle pictures where they're like flashing in and out right or potentially like in place we're seeing this very specific pattern with purpose on it and so that's what's kind of you know where i think i've gotten more solidified in terms of what the narrative that i believe in but of course i'm still of the mindset that everybody should believe in whatever narrative they want and anyone else is free to take the evidence that i painted for presented forward and you know paint their own picture of the story in general yeah it's just it's just so weird to me what what's happening right um

And I get your point. I mean, are these UFOs? Are these our own government? And the only reason, the only thing that goes back to me is like why this would not be our own government is because I know our government. Like I feel like if this was us, like we would own every country right now in the entire world. I mean, I think we do, though. That's the thing, right? It is not to cut you off.

No, you're good. You know, we haven't really, you know, look at these wars that we're in, these proxy wars, right? It's almost like these other people are, no one really wants to engage us directly. You know, that's been the case for my whole life. Honestly, I'm over 40 years old at this point. You know, even 9-11 was more of an indirect attack right by terrorists. And now we have this UK-Kraine war, Iraq war. These are all generally proxy wars, in my opinion.

They're not countries. They're for money, right? It's not, we're not going against the big boys here. And then I think the question, too, is like if other people have this technology, then it's kind of like nuclear weapons where it's a stalemate, where it's like you don't want to blink if because, you know, if you're the first person that deploys it, then they're going to deploy it back on you.

And this technology could be the end of the world. We're dealing with a lot of people want to think of advanced technologies all being good. And we're okay, green energy is the good side of it. Nuclear power is also very good. But then you have nuclear bombs that come along with it. It's very bad because one bomb, we're done. We're all done. And that's what's so scary about it is because there are so many countries

that have access to this stuff. Yeah. You know? Well, and the thing is like the one big thing about the UFO and UIP topic is, you know, over and over again, there's been multiple reports from soldiers and military bases and whoever, that whatever these UAPs, these things are, they have a fascination with our nuclear facilities, our nuclear missiles. Now, now let's just take, for example, that this is our own technology.

Let's just say that. Maybe we're testing that. Maybe we're seeing, like, how we can deactivate or reactivate weapons. And look, if you have technology like that, you control the world. if you can control nuclear arsenals with whatever this technology may be, you know, to where, you know, we often talk about, like Russia has hypersonic missiles that can literally change direction on a dime to where it's very hard to shoot down these intercontinental ballistic missiles

that can carry nuclear warheads. Well, if you have this technology, it makes that a much easier thing to deal with. I think about that a lot, honestly, that idea that, you know, we have this technology. is this what makes it so it's really impossible for us to get hit by missiles from long range, right? And I think I also wonder too, like you just mentioned, is how much of the orbs and stuff that we see UAPs out there are us versus, you know, potentially non-human intelligence now is maybe like Sherry you were pointing out as maybe a lot of this stuff is our own that's out there. Real quick, one thing I want to bring out there to you guys too, kind of going back real quick to the Congress thing is one of the things I want to disclose that I've heard behind closed doors is that there are inertial mass reduction papers, scientific. papers that are being held from the public by Congress for national security purposes,

which would be the main element of allowing a 777 to macroscopically decoher down into quantum. And if you think about what that really means, you know, inertial mass reduction and the idea is that you can take something very large, I believe, and bring it down to a smaller scale where then it can be sped up faster than the speed of light. And that might be the type of technology where now you take a missile and now the missile can go can warp right or what some people have crudely approximated as warp nukes yeah right how do you stop a warp nuke

right well listen so it goes back to me wondering were they experimenting on this plane yeah but the bigger question is I want to I want to break this down for a second for people that are like what the hell is you talking about um you talked about warp you talked about wormhole you talked about all this but like what did this plane actually do like try to break it down potentially the most With the most new, like, evidence that you have.

Yeah, but also very dummy down. Like, just break this down, like how, and I know, and trust me, I know there's physics involved and a lot of that stuff. But what exactly are you saying? I mean, did it, did it teleport? Did it go through a wormhole? Or what are the mathematical, physical, physic type things with this? So I don't think we're calling it a wormhole anymore in terms of ripping through a fabric of space and time, right? It's also not Star Trek teleportation where it's dematerialized and rematerializing something.

It's really taking what's already there, condensing it down on top of itself, where now all of the atoms in it can fit into a single point. And now the mass has been reduced to a very small infinitesimal amount, where now it's approached or has the capabilities and properties of quantum. And so if you look at the double slit experiment, that's where we've determined how something called non-locality exists, which is the idea that, the universe can react faster than the speed of light. And if that's true and you reverse that process now, so it's the idea that you take something that is probabilistic in nature and it becomes definitive in nature when you observe it. And you reverse that and you say,

now we've got something that's definitive point in time and now it becomes probabilistic in terms of its point in space and time. That's what we're dealing with here. And that's what we talk about with reverting down to the wave function. So it all goes back to the double-slit experiment. Sorry, if we go back to that the plane was matter, you know, just matter. Does it remain matter? Does, yeah? Yeah, and I think the part there is that we don't fully understand is, is there a way where it can still be shielded and still get

reverted down to this state? Because if so, then when it becomes back into its normal fermion state, that the people could have survived. And one of the wormhole papers, despite the fact we're not talking about wormholes, argues that you could create a double-sided electromagnetic shell around an object that could theoretically allow this whole thing to be kind of converted down. Now, we would not perceive it as being kind of squished down. But that's the idea of what would be happening is that the field around it allows it to enter this quantum macroscopic decoherent state and then zip. It's basically its own environment.

Yeah, exactly. Like an isolated environment around it. If that is possible, and we're not really, it's almost no way to tell, then theoretically these people could survive. But otherwise, as you guys pointed down, if it's kind of scrunching down into individual atoms, then coming back, you know, I find it almost impossible that anybody could have survived.

Right. Wow. And I think that's what your theory is right now. Is it kind of it crushed down and went into like, you know, atoms or whatever? Well, and the theory with the UIP thing for forever, I mean, even Bob Lazar, you know, creating a energy field around a craft or a basically a new, Another. But what he's saying, though, is it like compacted kind of.

Yeah, yeah, I know. You know? I get it. But what does that even really mean if you create an environment that is different than the outside environment, essentially? So you can do a lot of things inside that environment based on that environment's laws. Like a gravity shield. Yeah. But like even Bob Lazar said, you know, what he believed that these craft or how they moved was their own gravity feeling.

that was around these craft that was not necessarily dependent on the gravity outside of itself, right? So, and I think maybe that's somewhat sort of what you're saying, but not exactly, right? Yeah, but it was kind of crushed because it didn't have its own gravity filled. Yeah. So part of it, too, is like, if you look at, like, let's say, I think one thing people should take a look at is the Salvatore Pius patents that we've kind of forgotten from about 2018. In fact, this is going to be my, he's going to be my first interview that I've ever done on a few days from now. But you look at his patents and essentially they call them the UFO patents. And one of them is essentially this idea because if you move very fast and you're inside an object, you're going to melt inside that object.

But it's the same idea that you have this shell around the object that allows it. So if the person who's inside of it doesn't experience those forces that is happening. This would be the same concept is that somehow you're creating this electromagnetic shell around it. And that's what's allowing the object to traverse while still, having this macroscopic decoherence where it's kind of reverting back down to the wave function. And again, we can't really think of it as like scrunching. We have to more think of it as just converting to this wave function at a, and it's such

an instant that we simply can't even perceive it because the plane is just instantly gone in one second, right? And then when it appears, it's going to experience time dilation. However far it travels, the person of the frame of reference of the person inside will happen instantaneously. From our perspective, it's going to be dependent on how far it traveled. It could even travel to the future theoretically. There's even been some arguments that it could be held in superposition and then released later in the future, which that's the most bizarre part of physics to me. Yeah, I mean, and I think that's the thing that, you know, we have been on for for a while

for three years, especially since the UFO thing has been big. Interdimensionality, just that concept, the fact that maybe we are physical interpretation, of a dimensional reality. And I think that most people just cannot even wrap their mind around that. But I think that if you can actually prove or kind of get to that scientifically, and people really understand the physics, or not even the physics, just the interdimensionality around. Just understanding the concept of the whole thing.

What we may believe as a soul or consciousness or all of these things, time is linear rather than front or back. All of those things might also can. contribute to what we're talking about tonight. Ashton, listen, I, we got to have you back on, obviously. I think we've talked about so many things that are kind of mind-blowing. Ashton, tell everyone where they can find you, how they can help, you know. And by the way, Ashton, I encourage you to do this.

I want to make this very clear on your thing. And by the way, you did not even put our podcast in your little list the other day. So I'm going to call you out right now. you missed our podcast. I'll get it in there. Don't you guys. You better get it. Guys, you better go to Ashton and talk shit to him right now.

Oh, Chad. He's had enough shit talking for one day. I'm just kidding. No, our audience loves you. And we've got a lot of emails about it. It's in my older one. I'm looking at it. I see it in my older one.

It wasn't in my newer one. But yeah, we'll get this one in the newer one for you guys for you as well, for sure. But anyway, so yeah, tell everybody how they can contribute, help, find you. And I will say this. Post the. What you need to do, like in your little highlights on the top, just post like the original videos. Like, don't even know explanation. So when our audience or whoever goes to you, they can click your highlights and just watch the videos.

Yeah, I had it up there before I put the congressional, my letter to Congress. Because my letter to Congress got so big, but I did have all my pieces, which had the videos right at the top before. So I'm going to switch it back over to that pretty soon. And then people will be able to see the videos right away. Cool. So how can people find you, Ashton, let them know. Yeah, and just real quick, for a spoiler for next time, I think we can kind of talk about the metaphysical aspects because a lot of what we talked about has huge implications for our reality and what that really means. So that would be a fun follow-up for us.

I would. So, yeah, you can find me on Twitter. That's the main place you can find me at Just X. Ashton should be pretty easy to find me there. You can find all my works listed there and my highlights, everything reversed chronologically. I do various update pieces that show all my works currently working on all evidence list as well that will be easily presented. then so people can break down all the evidence very quickly and easily. And that's the best way to find me right now.

Awesome. Yeah, I mean, if you guys just look up MH370, even on Google, I actually find you on there. I think a lot of our people are already with. Yeah, yeah, a lot of them. Yeah, I think a lot of people went over to you. Because they're like, wow, we got to hear more. So, yeah. Yeah, so guys, go follow Ashton.

I think he is a, you know, he's someone that we need. We say this on, I mean, we try to bring people on that we need in society. and it's people that just try to get the truth out there. And so many people are so thirsty for truth nowadays, and they just want to know, right? I mean, they just want to know. I even said the other day, I want to start talking about, like, the Bible stuff from my perspective,

because I don't know what I believe anymore. But, like, I just want to go through the whole Bible and just talk to people about, like, oh, my God, this sounds crazy. Or, oh, this doesn't sound crazy. Because everyone is just asking questions nowadays. And I think that, and I think that what you're doing is very beneficial to society. And look, I, and it's mind-blowing because it really is.

Because for most people that have like brains like me, it's like mind-blowing. Brains like it. But at the very least, I think that, I think we're at a turning point. I mean, although a lot of us may think that we are living in a really shitty time because of how bad things are, also think we're living in a very groundbreaking time. And we're at the cusp of figuring out so much stuff. And I think that we need to be proud of that and happy about that at the very least. And I'm so glad that you come on again because I really feel like you're interesting and you really research what you're doing.

Yeah. It's amazing. And I appreciate and agree with you guys too that, you know, we're at a time we're so divided. You know, this video is this technology. This can bring us hope, common purpose. It can, as I mentioned, change the circumstances of many people. So part of the reason why I'm very passionate about it. So I'm really agree with you guys and thank you very much. Yeah, I think if people realize that our enemy is not each other.

Our enemy is the powers that are above us. I mean, really, I mean, our enemies are to people that necessarily want to possibly destroy what we know as humanity or at least have the capabilities to do that. And I think the more people we can bring on board to understand that, hey, we're, we're together on this. We're just trying to figure out shit together. And we shouldn't be enemies. Even if you're in a UFO community, by the way, out there.

Yeah. Just because maybe this isn't going the UFO way, and this is his opinion, if you want to present evidence on where you think it is UFOs, please do. Yeah. Bring it on. Bring it on. Right here. But, yeah, you know, but I do, I agree with Ashton. I think that this could lead to disclosure, regardless of whether those things we've seen in the video is UFOs or not, I think that potentially.

it came from that. And that's the biggest thing. But Ashton, thank you so much again for coming on. And we're going to keep track. Yeah. And we're going to have another interview, of course. For sure. Yeah.

I look forward to it, guys. We're going to be following you, Ashton. We appreciate you coming on, Ashton. That was Ashton, guys. Go follow him on X. Go follow him at Just X. Ashton. That's going to be it for us.

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