Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - MH370 Conspiracy Podcasts with Special Guest | UFO UAP Podcasts

Episode Date: August 21, 2023

MH370 stands as one of the most enduring enigmas in aviation history. Vanishing on March 8, 2014, during its journey from Kuala Lumpur International Airport in Malaysia to Beijing Capital Internationa...l Airport in China, its disappearance continues to confound experts and enthusiasts alike. In the wake of that fateful day, a slew of conspiracy theories emerged, adding intrigue to an already tragic event. However, in the contemporary landscape of social media, MH370 has once again risen to prominence. Recent ripples of interest have been generated by the resurfacing of alleged satellite data suggesting an unprecedented turn of events: the possibility that the aircraft was encircled by unidentified flying objects (UFOs) or unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs) mere moments before its inexplicable vanishing act. This striking notion has prompted a surge in discussions online, triggering debates about whether the airliner could have undergone teleportation or if these claims are simply part of an extravagant conspiracy fabric. In this intriguing discussion, our guest today presents a compelling perspective. Armed with what he deems to be substantive evidence, he asserts the authenticity of the rediscovered videos. He maintains that these videos may hold the key to unraveling the mysteries surrounding MH370's final moments.

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Starting point is 00:00:14 Suvather Standing tall amongst the grave It's time to rise up yelling glory to the same page Hello and welcome to investigate Earth podcast I'm your host Chad alongside my beautiful wife Sherry What's up Sherry? What's up?
Starting point is 00:00:41 What's up people? Welcome to the podcast. Welcome to the show. It is about 8.50 p.m. here on the east coast of the beautiful United States of America and tonight we have a really very interesting episode. Now obviously what we are going to talk about tonight happened quite a while ago, right? We're talking about Malaysian Airlines Flight 370.
Starting point is 00:01:03 And we have a special guest on tonight that has devoted a lot of his time to this mystery. Some may call this mystery the greatest aviation mystery of all time, where a airline. disappeared. A airline full of people disappeared into nothing, nowhere. Now, there have been obviously
Starting point is 00:01:29 reports that they have found certain parts of their wreckage since the disappearance. But the thing about this whole situation is, is there are very, very interesting conspiracy theories around the disappearance of
Starting point is 00:01:44 MH370. And I think there could be compelling evidence. Yes. That can tell you this is what actually happened. Yeah, this is no longer maybe a conspiracy theory. And our guest tonight believes that this isn't a conspiracy theory anymore. This is proven.
Starting point is 00:02:01 This is something that the video evidence from satellite data, from drone data, is showing how this aircraft actually disappeared into thin air. And this is something that is very compelling. It's very mind-blowing. And, you know, one of the things I want you guys to do during, in this episode is I want you to kind of think both ways, right? Obviously, you're going to think on a very realistically, or a realistic level and also a, you know, how your brain does the checks and balances. Okay, does this make sense? Does it not? Is this outlandish? Is it not? But at some parts
Starting point is 00:02:36 in this episode, you have to just think for a minute. Okay, this is real. Say that this, say that what we're talking about is real. Think about what that means, right? Think about what that means to reality. that reality as we know it and the reason why we want to do this episode obviously we've known about MH370 for a very long time as many of you have but when you start thinking about things
Starting point is 00:03:00 that you know especially conspiracy theories around this and especially what social media has been blowing up with over the past two or three weeks about MH370 and what they're saying and especially the evidence that has been presented that has yet to be debunked although there are been reports over the past
Starting point is 00:03:17 couple days that supposedly this is debunked, but I actually do not believe it actually has been debunked. There are a lot of people also saying there's no way this was debunked. Now, anytime you get close to the target, we say this all the time, you get lots of errors thrown at you. You get debunking. You get fact check websites coming out in full force saying this is not true because of this, although they don't have evidence that it isn't true. They will still use the fact checking websites, which are number one and number two and number three and number four on Google when you look something up. Because they want you to see the first thing that they look up is a fact check that says false or not credible or whatever they.
Starting point is 00:03:57 But we all know when we look up things on Google, we're not going to get the truth. No, we're not. No, you get what Google wants you to get. You get what the narrative wants or should be according to whoever the powers of be. So I think this episode is going to do a good service to at least highlight. MH370, which many people have, you know, when someone hears about something like MH370, now there was a documentary on Netflix about it. They kind of highlighted MH370, but mainstream media, government officials and the liking have not ever touched on any other
Starting point is 00:04:34 possibilities besides whatever their mainstream narrative is, you know, and we talk about it in this episode a little bit about some of the mainstream narratives of what they say potentially happen to the airliner. But also we obviously talk about the videos that have surfaced. And some of these videos surfaced quite a while ago, but they have just now gained traction again. And I think really the reason why these things are starting to gain traction, because as Ashton says here, and Ashton is our guest,
Starting point is 00:05:06 you know, I think when the videos originally surfaced. They were so overlooked. They're outlandish. Yeah, because they were overlooked at the time period when they came out. But now that we have so much more information that's coming out lately. UFOs, UAPs. You know, it's not so outlandish anymore. It is not.
Starting point is 00:05:24 You're 100% right. So, guys, without further ado, we're not going to waste any more your time on the intro. Let's get into the interview with Ashton. Ashton did a great job on this interview. And you guys should definitely go follow him over on Twitter. And he'll give you his handle and everything here. So, guys, let's get into the interview. All right, guys, so we are here with Ashton. How are you doing, Ashton?
Starting point is 00:05:49 Hey, good. How are you doing? We are doing fantastic. Fantastic. Have you been enjoying your summer? Yeah, I've been enjoying it. A little bit a lot and thought at the moment. Yeah, I hear you. So we're going to get into kind of a little bit about what Ashton has been doing. We obviously brought Ashton on the podcast because MH370 is pretty complex and especially with a lot of the new buzz this coming out, this all over social media. There's really a conjoining effort to kind of disprove some of the latest videos. And there's also a lot of people trying to prove the latest videos. And I think Ashton will have a lot to say about that.
Starting point is 00:06:28 But just to briefly run down, for those that do not know, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, also known as MH370, was an international passenger flight operated by Malaysia Airlines that disappeared on March 8, 2014, while flying from Kuala Lumpur, International. Airport in Malaysia to its planned destination, which was Beijing, Capital International Airport in China. Now, the crew of the Bowen 777200 registered as NMRO last communicated with air traffic control around 38 minutes after takeoff when the flight was over the South China Sea. Then the aircraft actually then lost air traffic control. Secondary surveillance radar screens minutes later, but was tracked by Malaysian military's primary radar system for about another hour
Starting point is 00:07:13 deviate and westward from its planned flight path, where it then crossed the Malay Peninsula and Andaman Sea. It left radar range about 200 nautical miles northwest of Penang Island in the northwestern Peninsula of Malaysia. So there's not too many big words in that. But Ashton, let's just start off with, obviously there's been a lot of conspiracy theories, I guess, around the Malaysia Air Flight. It's been known as one of the greatest mysteries in aviation. And, you know, obviously there's been documentaries done on this. There's also been, like I said, a concerted effort to disprove any conspiracy theories. Let's start with a little bit about how you got into the whole MH-30 deal, why you got into it and kind of, you know, just start there.
Starting point is 00:08:05 Yeah, thanks a lot. And just as a quick disclaimer, I want to say that, look up the Twitter hashtag MH370X I also just want to get ahead of any narratives I made promises that no narratives would be set this is not QAnon
Starting point is 00:08:23 this is not a distraction from the hearings I support Grush this is not a distraction from Trump or Biden this is not political this is not a hoax this is not disinformation I am not an agent of any other foreign country I'm a U.S. citizen.
Starting point is 00:08:40 I am just a normal guy, an investigative journalist citizen who had a week ago 30 fake followers. And this week now I have nearly 600 people who believe that this information is real. Wow. Yeah. And so start with a little bit about, well, obviously you made a disclaimer. Is there, what is kind of your reasoning for making a disclaimer first off? I think that if you look at the videos, it becomes pretty self-apparent. we're in a situation where
Starting point is 00:09:13 this is the perfect conspiracy if you believe in conspiracies. If you believe in UFOs and disclosure, this is the perfect opportunity. The reason for that is a situation that can't be denied. We have verifiable evidence that we can prove that that plane
Starting point is 00:09:29 in that video is actually MH370. Okay. And the reason the way we can do that is because we can, personally, I looked up the Wasper report last weekend and it happens that
Starting point is 00:09:43 the flight path of the Wasper Report exactly coincides with the coordinates in the satellite video. Wow. And so tell me a little bit about, first of all,
Starting point is 00:09:54 let's discuss the videos. Are these new videos? I've obviously seen the videos on Twitter. I've seen a lot of them. Just start by explaining what videos you're referring to. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:06 So the videos I'm referring to have several labels depending on where you find them. But the original one was, the oldest one we can see from the Internet Archive was uploaded on May 19th, 2014, and that is about 60-some days after the incident happened.
Starting point is 00:10:26 It was uploaded by somebody named Regicide. It did not say that it was MH-370. It said it was a random airliner video. So what happened is everybody ignored that video when it was leaked. It was eventually deleted. and then we can only know it exists from the archives. Wow.
Starting point is 00:10:43 So what happened is there was another video that was released. Presumably by the same person, it was also posted on the registered side account. The first video is a satellite video that we see from supposedly NRL22, which you can see in the video in the overlay of the screen recording. In the second video, it's a thermal of an MQ1C Predator drone. that is showing the exact same event from a different angle in a different, you know, light spectrum, thermal versus false color IR.
Starting point is 00:11:19 Okay. So this is the point, essentially, these were released nine years ago, and they were ignored. Everyone thought it was too unbelievable. You can't, you know, we can't possibly believe that a plane can disappear, which is what the videos show.
Starting point is 00:11:35 Okay. Fast forward a few to last week, and these videos have been shared, I found, by many UFO accounts on Twitter, but everybody just assumed them to be fake. Yeah. So they got shared again, and I looked up the fact checks. You know, you Google it. I found many of these fact checks to be questionable. You've probably found that as well. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:57 On everything. So if you Google it right now, you'll find a fact check for Newsweek. I think there was like a sport track something but the original one was France 24 and that one if you look through it it's just a bunch of editorial about oh this looks fake except for one fact
Starting point is 00:12:18 it claims it in the video from hoaxi that it's NRL 33 you can see in the video and from my account and what's being spread on social media that it's clearly NRL 22
Starting point is 00:12:34 because to make matters worse, the moments they started gaining attention about a week ago, the Newsweek article pops. It is an exact replica, essentially, like an AI copy paste from the France 24 article. The only difference in it, they claimed that Hoaxi says it was NRL 77.
Starting point is 00:12:58 That makes no sense to me because you can see it's NRL22. I don't know how someone could even copy that, incorrectly. Now explain. So if you go look at Newsweek's... Sorry. One second.
Starting point is 00:13:08 If you go look at Newsweek's Twitter for that specific report, you'll see that I debunked it on the spot within like an hour. Sorry, go ahead. No, so explain what the NRL, what is that? Are those usernames you're referring to? So that is the satellite designation. Oh, that's right. Okay.
Starting point is 00:13:29 I got you. So if we would get real deep into it and you can look at my Twitter and see all the facts and verify everything. Ultimately, what this comes down to is somebody leaked both these videos. They didn't just use a camera. They used the actual government's recording software
Starting point is 00:13:46 to record these events. And the scary part about that, if you think about it, is the magnitude of what we're dealing with here and what it shows on those videos, that person probably is never going to come out. Yeah. So if people want you know, someone to come and say I made these videos,
Starting point is 00:14:07 likely is never going to happen. Now, do you think this person is a whistleblower that is within the government, or do you think this is some type of hacked type event? So like I said before, I absolutely support Grush and all the whistleblowers. I don't think those things are going to bear fruit. Yeah. I think that the government doesn't, has a plan,
Starting point is 00:14:28 and they want to have it happen on their terms. And so in this case, this person probably realized it wasn't going to happen that way. Like if you look at my piece called Agent 370, what you'll realize is that this person most likely either saw that event in real time on the video recordings or they heard about it and they had so much guilt, they felt like they had to leak this. Okay. Now, let's start explaining a little bit about what some of these videos actually show. No, and are these videos, are these videos from the air? Satellites. From satellites.
Starting point is 00:15:06 And a drone. And a drone video, correct? So what are these videos show? So the satellite video is roughly, I think if we estimated it, the best information shows it to be somewhere around 1,500 kilometers in the sky. And it's a relay satellite situation. So I don't want to speak too much of the capabilities, so I don't want the Fed's knocking on my door. but it can do a lot. One of the key things
Starting point is 00:15:33 that can do is create stereoscopic 3D video. Okay. By using two satellites aimed down at the earth at different angles that can be operationalized
Starting point is 00:15:44 and put wherever they want. Okay, so basically it triangulates an object to then render it in 3D. Yeah, I mean, from you see the videos, you're looking at it. Supposedly the satellite video
Starting point is 00:15:59 is 3D, stereoscopic. There's still some controversy over whether or not it is or not. It's kind of irrelevant, but cool one way or another. And if the feds get mad that I'm disclosing this, I gave you guys well over a week. Okay, it's fine.
Starting point is 00:16:14 All right, so what is the... Well, what does the video show for people like me that have never even seen the video? Yeah. Can you guys kind of explain it? Yeah. Okay, so the plane is coming in. You can see it's coming in in a southern direction from the satellite.
Starting point is 00:16:30 and the reason I can see this is do, you can see the sun glaring off of it, the eastbound morning sun. Okay. And it begins to take a sharp turn to the east. Okay.
Starting point is 00:16:45 As it's turning to the east, you see an orb come off from this, kind of the side. If you're looking from the thermal from the side, if you're looking from the satellite, I guess they both kind of come from the side, and begin to circle the plane.
Starting point is 00:16:58 and then two more orbs come pretty quickly afterwards they begin to form a triangle but not just a triangle a perfect plane between them and they rotate around
Starting point is 00:17:14 the plane and if someone actually had read it modeled it they're creating a sphere around the plane but not like we would see it in real time but like if you test stack time
Starting point is 00:17:27 on top of itself, which is very odd. And so then ultimately what happens is as they're doing this rotation and they change rotation, it's almost like they lock in and then they begin to do their pattern
Starting point is 00:17:46 which is harmonic apparently and there are, it's like a sign or cosine wave pattern. And what ends up happening is all of a sudden the plane just pops out of existence. Now, the important part is on the thermal, not only do the
Starting point is 00:18:04 orbs have a black, it looks like a trail, but it's not a trail. It's in front of them. Okay. And then when they move, it moves behind them. They're actually changing the pressure of the atmosphere in front of them. At least it appears to be. And the thing about this is that's an endothermic event. So all of our
Starting point is 00:18:29 You know Planes, rockets, etc. Are exothermic We burn fuel to You know, propel them Yeah That's not what's happening in these videos It's like a reverse
Starting point is 00:18:41 And yeah It almost is like reverse, exactly And the scary part is when the event happens They pop out of existence It's also not hot It's cold It's blacked on the thermal Now these ors
Starting point is 00:18:55 What's that mean? Oh, sorry. Go ahead. I was just going to say these orbs are they like in size to the airplane? All right. What are they, what are the size or were they different colors? Are they white, green, red? That's been modeled also.
Starting point is 00:19:09 And the size of the orbs seems to be about the size of a car, maybe a small car, if I had to just guess from what I've seen from the models. So it's sizable. Like it's not tiny, but it's not necessarily that the orbs are a physical orb. It could just be that it's a field around something smaller that's shaped in some completely different shape, but that they're using potentially superconductivity or something like that to float, and then they're using this propulsion mechanism that essentially creates a gravity well in front of the direction of movement to then move however they want, because it seems like they're floating freely in space.
Starting point is 00:19:52 Yeah. Now, when they disappear, everything disappears. And if you look at my Twitter, you'll see that really, if you put something on Time magazine, the one that says, this is now the future. And I want to give credit to Punjabi Batman from Reddit for that, because he's the one who made that. It's a super slow-mo of the moment where they disappear. And in it, you can see what looks to be gravitational lensing,
Starting point is 00:20:22 around the orbs as they, at the last moment, get closer to the airplane, like in the last frame. And in the last frame as well, you can see the plane itself distort. Yeah. So normally I would never believe in teleportation or disintegration or portals to another dimension. But from a scientific standpoint, it's outlandish, but is it? beyond the realm of possibility? No. And I think that's the world we're living in.
Starting point is 00:20:57 I mean, you know, even with the UFO ordeal, as many times as we've talked about it on here, you know, if you just, if you believe in the UFO, uh,
Starting point is 00:21:05 events that are happening or taking place around the world, there's so many unexplained things. And so, you know, to say that this potentially created some type of portal, um, doesn't really sound as outlandish as maybe it would have, you know,
Starting point is 00:21:21 10 years ago. Ten years ago. And the same thing with the interdimensional aspect of it. You know, a long time ago, we'd be like, oh, that's crazy. But now that we are learning so much about, you know, UFOs and the community are really getting out there. Yeah. I think that's kind of what it sounds like to me that this was some type of thing that was using different dimensions to warp it out of here. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:47 So it sounds like you know a little bit about gravity and kind of how that stuff works and or at least, you know, some of your thoughts. on that. But you said the orbs disappear when the plane, like, do they disappear at the exact moment the plane disappears? Yeah, and I want to make a comment about what you guys were just saying. When I saw this, and I saw, I think, the thermal back in 2014, because I was investigating MH370 a lot, just from a personal perspective, and I didn't believe it. Yeah. And just like you said, the only reason why I was able to piece this together is because I didn't potentially before have the frame of reference. After I saw the video leaks from 2017,
Starting point is 00:22:26 you know, the DoD Navy ones, Gimble, Go Fast, et cetera, that gave me a perspective of what a Fleer looks like, a thermal. So that's how I knew when we were looking this. We're looking at a real thermal predator drone that has had the HUD removed, and it's been colorized.
Starting point is 00:22:42 Yeah. Now, did you see... Now, nobody has seen the satellite stuff. Yeah. So that part is interesting, but there was an article back in 20, talking about when Trump leaked some satellite video from 2019 and how that that revealed capabilities that weren't even previously known.
Starting point is 00:23:04 So I think that that's the part where really is our collective awareness to a point where we can accept this video is possibly just 100% real. Like not just that it was filmed on government devices, which I can confer or I can prove, I can say, not confirm, approve, because of the fact that if you read through my Twitter on there, essentially it was discovered via Reddit, and I want to give credit to KCIMC. He or he or she, I don't know, they did a lot of work on this. And one of the important parts, they thought they had to debunk because they realized that
Starting point is 00:23:45 the mouse was acting at a different frame rate than the rest of the recording. Yeah. But this ended up being the smoking gun in a sense because what it ended up showing is proving that what was happening is that somebody had logged into a Citric session to the actual Intel database. And the frame rates matched perfectly with a Zen app, I believe, Citric session. You can check my Twitter for the exact details.
Starting point is 00:24:14 Over the top of what was initially I think recorded in a 30 FPS and then modified down to 24 when it was uploaded on YouTube. You can check those facts to make sure I got them right. But essentially what this means is that any debunks related to prosaic explanations, meaning like, oh, it looks like this thing. That must be what they use. They're all thrown out because what it means is this video is 100% real. It was actually recorded on their actual, using their actual recording software.
Starting point is 00:24:45 They didn't use a camera. and I personally believe the reason they did that is because that was the only way there would be enough proof for us to take it seriously because if they took it with their phone we would have just said oh it's fake so it's not so in your mind it's not possible that this is
Starting point is 00:25:04 a special effect that someone did or any of this you say obviously because of the actual government computer what is kind of the debunking going on no one has anyone debunked I know we talked a little bit about that, but has anyone done that yet? No one has. Okay. So let me separate two things.
Starting point is 00:25:22 And I want to make another statement as well is that my main intents for this is to vindicate the families that were lied to and vindicate the pilot who is vilified falsely as a terrorist suicider or something. Yeah. Which I am 100% sure he was not. and everything after that is just icing on the cake. So looking at this video and realizing that it's real and that it's actually showing MH370, which I have proven because of the whisper data that shows that it was in that exact location,
Starting point is 00:25:59 which was flying rogue, not on a known route, that the person couldn't have possibly known about because the whisper data wasn't released until 2021, and we know the video files date back to 2014. That's my own personal. investigative research that I did, that's enough for me. And what's whisper data, by the way? Explain that.
Starting point is 00:26:18 So, yeah, the whisper data report, if you Google it, essentially before 2021 and before that was released to the public, I believe in December, all we knew was that the Emerstadt pins. So after that event you talked about, which happened at 121 a.m., all four transponders went out at the same time. They tried to say that the pilot. did that. If you look at the realistic trying to turn those off, there's no chance.
Starting point is 00:26:49 And also at the same time, it looks like the Emmerstadt, I think it's computer, reset. So something happened there. Do you know what the altitude was? Sorry, do you know what that? Do you know what the altitude was when the
Starting point is 00:27:08 transponders went off? Were they in the air for a fact? So Malaysia said that they went up and down, like from 25,000 feet to 45,000 feet or higher, which, you know, apparently is not possible. But some weird stuff basically happened. Yeah. So essentially, I argued that, well, if you lost your communication, one of the things you're supposed to do is squawk and change your altitude.
Starting point is 00:27:32 Now, I don't know if that's the way they're doing, or maybe their engines went out, and they were trying to recuperate, or maybe there's just a false signal. No idea. I don't really have a lot of evidence necessarily. but the amortep pins after that point only ping it's not exactly every hour but essentially every hour every 40 minutes or so and what they did was they deduced the path of the plane based on its capabilities and how far away those pings were from the satellite so they say okay if it was this far away here at this time and then at this far away at this time we can kind of guess it's
Starting point is 00:28:08 general location. So we really didn't have a great idea. And actually, for a while, if you guys remember, we didn't even know if it went north or south from Indonesia. Yeah, right. They were like, oh, maybe it's north, maybe it's south. So there's no way the hoaxer had any idea where to put the coordinates in a real satellite video, unless they were actually trying to tell us,
Starting point is 00:28:31 hey, this is where you need to go look for clues. Yeah. And it turns out the Whisper Report, the way the Whisper Report works, it essentially tries to follow the Emmerstadt timeline and look for radio signals from the past based on it looks like airports and wherever else, whatever things can capture radar signals. And essentially it's kind of like being in a crowd. And you're looking for the person who's wearing, say, a blue shirt.
Starting point is 00:28:59 And you're saying, okay, we knew there's some of the blue shirt at this point. And every two minutes we're going to track and figure out, okay, where's the blue shirt going? Yeah. Right. Now, what happens, though, if all of a sudden, you know, or actually, I shouldn't even say that. So that's their methodology, and it seems sound, I'm not going to put, you know, I'm not going to say anything to it. They can speak to it. The part about this is that it's relying on the Emersonat data.
Starting point is 00:29:25 So as long as we follow it, I think the route's accurate. I think that their work is great. And if you follow it, if it gets to our point and we watch that video, the plane vanishes out of existence. Yeah. In the Emerson data and the Waska report, it continues going in a straight line from that point for a little ways. And then it all of a sudden takes like a couple turns and then like a loop-de-round. Like if you were like in a cartoon and having something crash. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:57 Yeah, I know what you're talking about. What I, or actually not me, but Jeff Wise in the Netflix documentary from the Netflix documentary, he had theorized back in 2014 and 2015 that they had potentially spoofed emmerstadt pings and the reason why he thought that is it didn't make any sense there's no debris field found this plane crash in the ocean we couldn't possibly have not seen a debris field they tried to explain it away by saying that it was going at a 90 degree angle perfect down angle makes no sense and if it was I guess we would have found it in the bottom of the ocean yeah but we didn't
Starting point is 00:30:37 But did we not, supposedly did we not find a couple pieces of this plane, like wash up on shore or whatever? And you know what? If we found a couple pieces, it's consistent with what we saw in that video. That video is a highly energetic event. There's almost no way a couple pieces didn't go flying. Now, there's a lot of people to think, and even I think Jeff Wise and other people are among them, that some of the pieces are being, you know, generously connected to the plane, let's say. Or in other cases, they don't have enough growth on them to have been in the water.
Starting point is 00:31:15 So there's stuff that questions them. I think that needs to be the number one priority. We're looking at that, making sure that that stuff is really tied to the plane. But more so than that, we can see that this is actually MH-37. And then the question is, okay, if they had eyes on it, why are they lying about it? Yeah. Why were they not telling us, why do they have people go searching somewhere else? Why did the Imersat Pings go for like one more hour?
Starting point is 00:31:45 Why does the Wasper Data report go for like one more hour? I'm just kind of not being exact here. I'm just guessing, but if you look at it, you'll see. And so Jeff Wise estimated they might have spoofed Emersat Pings. And I just don't know, it seems odd that he would have mentioned that. And I see that in reporting about it from the time. Like what led him to that to think, that because if you simply remove two emmerstap pins the last two before like after 641 then you're in
Starting point is 00:32:15 our spot in our video and the whisper report like i said remember you're following some of the blue shirt but if the whispered pins or the imersat pins were spoofed then you're following somebody who's not really there so potentially that extra route never really happens yeah yeah and one of the things i want to touch on too as far as the debris goes because I think that's very important. You know, we also have to realize and understand that, you know, if, if what happened, which you were saying did, which I mean, based on what I'm hearing, sounds very, very plausible, if that happened and an airplane full of people teleported somewhere or whatever happened, right, you know, I would think considering there have been other conspiracy theories that came out to be true in the
Starting point is 00:33:05 past that were far less mind-blowing or shocking than what this would be has, you know, if it comes out true. The fact that, you know, a government or a world system in place that is to keep whatever it is that they all know about secret would not figure out a way to make it appear that they found parts of wreckage to shut everybody up, right? Because I think, you know, obviously when an airplane disappears, a big airplane, although So it is a big ocean. You know, there's going to be vested interest to do whatever it takes to stop the conversation about a conspiracy theory, especially something that is as mind-blowing as this.
Starting point is 00:33:46 And like Ashton was saying, you know, if there were parts found, it's not consistent with how long it would have been in the ocean. There was nothing growing on it. It was something, you know, to me, that sounds kind of weird. Yeah, it's fishy. Do you remember, and I don't actually know right offhand, how far. Did they find the records from where they believed, potentially, the general area of where the plane went down, do you know? Yeah, Reunion Island and South Africa, where I think most of the pieces were found, which are actually consistent, I think, with the drift. And again, a couple pieces of records that were found, if you look at, again, my Twitter, all the information's there, completely consistent with this event.
Starting point is 00:34:28 Yeah. The debris does not rule it out. In fact, the fact there was no debris field, actually pretty much confirms that they had to have been disintegrated, which I want to be clear. I do not believe that anyone on that plane is still alive. I am open for anyone to believe whatever they want. I don't want to give any false hope to the families of the victims, and I send them my utmost sympathy for, and the condolences for their losses. Absolutely. I'm just trying to get the truth for them.
Starting point is 00:35:01 and nothing more. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, because right now, no one knows. Yeah, but if that was a case in UFOs took this plane or whatever, or whatever it is. Why wouldn't there not be hope that they could be in a different dimension or somewhere else? Yeah, I'll explain that. So let's keep in mind the timeline.
Starting point is 00:35:20 121 AM is when the event happened. It takes out four transponders, doesn't let them have any communication, and probably doesn't let them land. Because the thing they did right after the event, event was fly directly to Penang-Longawi Airport, which is on the west side of Malaysia. Der Beeline. It's the closest airport that can take a 777 in an emergency situation. There's a couple of their smaller ones, but keep in mind, Malaysia's a third world country,
Starting point is 00:35:48 and it's one in the morning, and by the time you get there, it's probably like three in the morning. There's going to be nobody there. They need a lot of support. So keep in mind this as well, you know, whatever event happened, they were flying for five hours-ish probably. If the, let's just say that that was a serious event that took out a lot of the stuff in the plane, there's a chance that the plane did get decompressurized. And the thing about that is that they, they meeting the government threw that out as part of the reason why they thought the pilot, like how the pilot could have pulled it off.
Starting point is 00:36:24 And sometimes when they, people lie, they put it in a glean of truth in there. So I kind of wonder, when that event happened, did that be pressure? the airplane. And the important part about that is even if you have your oxygen mass, it's minus 91 degrees Celsius, I think, don't quote me on that guys, up there. So after five hours, it's not looking good. No, you're right. Yeah, one of the things, too, I mean, I've been in, and I say this on the podcast quite
Starting point is 00:36:55 often, I've been in aviation for a long time, probably what, 15, 16 years. and you know to what to your point depressurization obviously it does happen right it happens in many airplanes and more so actually in private aviation especially business jets and so on to where something happens in a cabin it depressurizes the pilot goes unconscious because a lot of times you don't really realize that you are having a depressurization system especially if gauges or or alerts are faulty and then they end up flying for hours and hours and hours and eventually crash on the out of fuel because usually their airplanes on autopilot
Starting point is 00:37:32 but are you saying that because I want to make clear are you saying what exactly are you saying as far as the depressurization thing are you saying that as a possibility of what happened or what are you saying on that well I'm saying I didn't even float that that was a idea that was floated
Starting point is 00:37:48 originally in that theoretically pilot did and the pilot suicide theory. Oh I got you yeah so if we can if we keep that then the likelihood that anyone's alive when the event happens is pretty low. Now, maybe to pilot a couple other people, but, you know, I think that, I don't, again,
Starting point is 00:38:07 I don't want to give hope to, I don't want to give unnecessary hope to any of the families of the victims. And I'm, everyone can believe whatever they want about it. Absolutely. I'm just presenting the facts to you. But again, I don't want to get false hope. But if the facts were that we see these orbs and they were, they made a perfect triangular plane and they were, you know, pretty much warping this plane.
Starting point is 00:38:33 I guess, I mean, no one would know the reason for that. But if, if, let's just say, a UFO or UFOs were doing that and taking this, taking over this plane, what would the purpose be if these people weren't alive? If they could transport them to another place. Yeah. That's a good question. Yeah, I think that the answer ultimately, you know, you have to ask the government. And before we even get into those times of questions,
Starting point is 00:38:58 the first question is, why are we filming an MH370 in this spot that seems like it's supposed to keep going? Yeah. But showing it disappeared off the face of the earth. Right? Like, that's the first thing that we have to answer. Because the only one that is answer those questions is the government. They're the ones who filmed this, right?
Starting point is 00:39:15 Yeah. Now, is this normal? I mean, obviously, you know, satellites, especially, you know, there's there's certain systems especially if you go from the united states over to europe there's a certain part of the ocean to where you no longer have typical air traffic control communication a lot of that's done um through satellite reckoning and and so on but but then the malaysia area in particular i'm not exactly sure as far as the aviation side of air traffic control and how all that works especially you know they were going headed from malaysia to Beijing but the big question
Starting point is 00:39:53 is, is that, number one, if the, and I want to go back for a second, the depressurization thing doesn't make sense to me? Because didn't you say, Ashton, that they said the airplane went and dove, and then went back up, and then dove again. Yeah, it's up and down as far as altitude. Is that kind of how that went? Yeah, so I think that there was a wired article that said the simplest answer is usually the best, basically. And it promoted the fire theory, which I have kind of thought about a lot and decided that
Starting point is 00:40:28 what makes more sense is some type of EMP. Because the reason why the fire theory doesn't work is that it can't take out all the transponderes simultaneously. It can't necessarily take out communication. It could take out the landing gear if the tire started on fire while it was taking off because it was
Starting point is 00:40:44 hot. And then that may be ignited lithium batteries, but the reality is it's It seems difficult to take out everything. All I'm saying is some type of event happened. Yeah. And what I'm saying is whatever event that happened, that was a serious emergency event. So if we're going to say that after five hours an emergency event where people, this plane seemingly did not get assistance while it was trying, that these people were teleported to some better place, that seems hopeful to me.
Starting point is 00:41:13 Yeah, I mean, and the reality is if these videos are real, which you think they are 100%, right? Right? Well, I want to be clear about that. I think I've been clear during this. It's hard for me to believe in fathom in de-animization, teleportation, or other dimensions. I never believed in any of that. But when I'm seeing it with my own eyes, it's hard to dismiss, especially when you see the endothermic events from a scientific perspective. I absolutely do believe that these are real satellite footage that somebody recorded to leak to us and real thermal footage from a predator drone that they subsequently leaks because we weren't ready to believe.
Starting point is 00:42:01 Yeah, and that's the thing. I mean, and so all of the other theories, if this footage is real, and let's just for the sake of the conversation, say this is 100% real, just for this moment, none of the other theories matter, right? I mean, the depressurization, the fire, the anything.
Starting point is 00:42:19 Exactly. Because, I mean, the reality is that you have three orbs, which, by the way, these orbs, if these, remember, this footage is real now, these orbs are very reminiscent, very similar to what Navy fighter pilots are seeing, to what pilot Ryan Graves saw off the East Coast of the United States on a everyday basis. and for whatever reason we know that the UFO UAP phenomenon
Starting point is 00:42:46 is not exaggerated but it's just it's blowing up but it's on full display especially over the oceans it seems like they obviously interact a lot with airplanes
Starting point is 00:42:59 there's been tons of commercial and I know there's a lot of commercial pilots out there I have seen UFOs I know that for sure so there's obviously a fascination with that and we also we got to go back a little little bit to, just for a moment, you know, could this have been the first airplane that
Starting point is 00:43:17 disappeared because of UAPs or UFOs? Very possible. If this footage is real, then that's my only conclusion, right? But we also, on this podcast, have talked many times about there's an investigator. He was a retired police detective out of California that has been investigating missing people, especially out west in Canada and Alaska to where these people completely disappear off the face of the earth. And especially in some places like Arizona and some of these places that they shouldn't have disappeared. There's really nowhere for them to disappear because it's not very wooded.
Starting point is 00:43:49 There's a lot of scenarios there, but these people disappear. And oftentimes these disappearances are connected with UFO or UAP sightings in the area around the time. Right. And it all makes complete sense to me because everything has to do with triangles for some reason. Everything is triangular. It is. But we have to even go back further.
Starting point is 00:44:08 like with the food fighters, for example, you know, back in the war when they didn't know what the heck they were. They didn't know if there were foreign adversaries or, you know, if Russia was striking or this person was striking. Nobody knew who these things were or what these things were because they were doing things that were not. Perceivable that, yeah, to what they knew? Ashton, what do you, I mean, what is kind of the consensus that you're getting on Twitter and social media right now? because I know you're out there. Obviously, I found you because I was looking this up, and I saw your post everywhere. I saw a lot of people kind of reposting your stuff.
Starting point is 00:44:45 What do you feel like the consensus is as far as – and by the way, I want to ask you, too, because I don't feel like you're just based on talking to you before the podcast and even now. I don't think you're really like a big conspiracy theory person that wants to believe in every conspiracy theory and, you know, the whole Q&on thing and all that. But what is your consensus, number one, with how are people – respondent to what you're working on and what you're presenting. And then also the part two question of that is, what are your thoughts on the UFOs and UAPs besides this MH370 thing completely?
Starting point is 00:45:18 Take that out of the equation. What is your thoughts on just UFOs? And I also kind of want to know, like what is your thoughts on afterlife and stuff like that? Oh, that's three parts. Sorry. Yeah, the UFO stuff, you know, sure, I think they're real.
Starting point is 00:45:36 I think that after 2017, that kind of woke me up to, okay, we actually do have evidence of this. Aliens, whatever, I don't care, right? Like, I have no problem. I treat it like I would treat a predator in the jungle, right? I'm not going to go out looking for tigers. So if they're here, they're here, right? They've been here the whole time. What do I care about?
Starting point is 00:45:58 Well, again, I just care about the truth for the families. So when I look at this video, there's only two options. It's either real, like all real, or the military filmed it, and they're running the most elaborate sciop of all time. But the part about that is it's showing hyper-advanced technology that is not of human origin, because we don't have any endothermic technologies. So if people try to say it's some type of advanced weapon test or something, it's not.
Starting point is 00:46:29 And what are you doing running on Malaysian Airlines 370, and why did you make it disappear anyway, right? in terms of how people are responding, I think that just from looking at my followers, you can see that the evidence is compelling. The facts are there. All you have to do is follow it. What I've told people is it's up to them.
Starting point is 00:46:51 It's like the Matrix. You can either choose the red pill right now or you can choose the blue pill. If you choose the red pill and decide that we're going to follow this path and this video is real and you make this go to national, this will be unavoidable because the stuff that I've put out there is verifiable.
Starting point is 00:47:10 It's not just, oh, I thought about this. It's actually verifiable because, like you said, I'm looking for facts and following the facts. I've become apparently a citizen journalist. Yeah. I mean, somebody's got to do the investigative journalism around here. I guess it's going to be me. Yeah. Of course, there's people that can't believe it.
Starting point is 00:47:27 Yeah. One more thing. So I've talked to PhDs. I've talked to Dr. Disclosure. He told me not to come on here. But the reality is it just needs exposure. A lot of people have a hard time believing it. I had a hard time believe in it.
Starting point is 00:47:43 But the reality, again, is that it shows MH370 and the coordinates in the location where we know it was, and that wasn't known until seven years later. Yeah, I mean, and that's the crazy thing. It's like even with David Grush and the hearing and everything, It's like, okay, if we just heard from a massive whistleblower that has a lot of credentials to really be in the know on this, right? And Ryan Graves and Commander Fravor and Bob Lazar and go down the list and there's so many more out there. But isn't it weird to you, though, that's like, okay, well, if this hearing and the government finally is saying basically, it's not the government, but people from the government are saying UFOs are real, they're here.
Starting point is 00:48:26 Yeah, well, the government doesn't still want us to know that. Yeah, but it's as a whistleblowers. The government will never admit it. Yeah. Let's be honest, guys. All that stuff is for show, right? It's for news articles. It's for people to be on TV.
Starting point is 00:48:39 Yeah. They only put people on TV who will say what they want them to say. Yeah. Well, and that's the thing. I mean, but even with them saying this, it's like no one cares. Well, no, and I think these guys that, oh, my God. Oh, no, we're good. That's why I said leave it to him.
Starting point is 00:48:57 But I say, I'm sorry, our computer just went dead, but it's good. But these guys... One more thing I was going to say is that disclosure doesn't happen from people on TV. Yeah. They're going to have it happen from their timeline, which will never ever occur, right? It's just a long game of stalling. As much as I appreciate all those people are doing, every whistleblower, please don't stop. Please keep doing what you're doing.
Starting point is 00:49:19 The way disclosure happens is organically, virally, the way that we're doing it right now. The way that I'm trying to take the community's efforts and bring them to the national media level. That's how disclosure should happen. I think everybody can agree on that. And I do agree with that. But people in the military they have a harder time disclosing things because they don't want to be murdered or killed.
Starting point is 00:49:43 And that does happen. I don't want to be either. And if anyone's listening please, like I gave you guys so many opportunities out there about this. Don't worry. We already get. I let you guys come talk to me. No one connected with me. So this is where we're at. Yeah. Don't worry. We would already be dead probably. But so, okay, so you're, I don't know, I don't know what you do for a day job or any of that stuff. But is this something that, like, is this something that's woke you up to some?
Starting point is 00:50:12 I mean, because obviously you're very passionate about this. That's one of the things I saw on Twitter. No, I feel like Ashton has a personal experience with this plane somehow. And that's what caused him to really research this. Oh, no, he's very passionate about it. No. No, that's not it at all. Okay.
Starting point is 00:50:28 So what really likes to do that? If you read my tweets, you'll see that this is completely organic. I saw the videos. I realized, like, as you guys mentioned, as I talked to you guys about, that they actually weren't fake. I found the debunk was fake, and I just followed the leads. And those leads led to a situation where the moment I realized that we could actually prove that it's true that I started blowing it up.
Starting point is 00:50:56 And that's what I've been doing ever since. And evidence has been sitting out there, ignored. by the media and by the government for over a week and officially on blast and finished my investigative report, at least on vindication, disclosure, and not being CGI. Over two days ago. Yeah. And I know they've seen it because I've got six million impressions.
Starting point is 00:51:20 And I know I'm pretty confident they're de-boosting me. Oh, yeah. So, you know, the more attention you get on this, better. Yeah, I mean, trust me. I respect what Elon is trying to do, but I will tell you this, we are still mega shadow band. On Twitter, our X, X, yeah. We are shadow band on pretty much all social media platforms. That's one thing about Spotify and stuff.
Starting point is 00:51:45 They do a good job as long as you're not, you know, actively out there trying to lie to people and whatever, which we're not. We're true seekers. If this gets shadow banned or if my account disappears or my account gets shadow band, then you'll know that all of this is true. Well, and the thing is, if for any reason that happens, then we will make sure that your new account, we will let everybody know what it is. So don't worry about that. Let me ask you, because I want to touch on something else for a second. This teleportation and stuff, do you know a lot about the CERN system, the Large Hadron Collider, as far as the atom where they smash atoms? Yeah, I know a little bit about it.
Starting point is 00:52:29 But again, I don't really want to talk about teleportation. I think that's a false narrative. I don't think that's what's going on here. We have no evidence for that. There's no plane. There's no location that we know it came to, went to. These people had so far not come back. We have no evidence for teleportation whatsoever.
Starting point is 00:52:46 What we do have evidence for is some type of de-atomization where they are just gone. And so, again, I don't want to give false hope to people. No, I get it. But so I'm glad you actually said that because I have a really good question. If you don't believe in teleportation and say that, remember, this video is real for the sake of this conversation right now, these three orbs are flying around this thing. This thing then disappears along with the orbs. You know, it wouldn't really make a lot of sense to me.
Starting point is 00:53:18 I understand you're saying de-atomization, but it doesn't make sense to me to where you have a event like this to happen with no... With no end. Yeah, with no end. Yeah, with no end. When you go through a door, does the door disappear? No, it doesn't, but you go through the door and you're somewhere else. You're in another room. Yeah, so where did they go?
Starting point is 00:53:38 Exactly the problem, right? Yeah. They're not here. So they didn't go somewhere else. Well, they would have had them. So I'm not saying it can't be a thing. And I'm not saying I don't believe in it. I'm just saying there's no evidence to support it.
Starting point is 00:53:52 Yeah, you're right. Yeah, so you're basically just saying, that the evidence that you see to support this is this thing disappeared. At a nowhere. It wasn't a crash. It wasn't anything else like that, but it was actual unidentified crafts that took over this plane. Or put it somewhere else. Either this video is real or the military is running an elaborate hoax,
Starting point is 00:54:20 the most elaborate hoax of all time. So again, they're the ones who are going to have to decide on that. that again, all I care about is the victims of MH370 and the fact that this was covered up from them. Let me, let me ask you, why did this thing get big over the past couple weeks on Twitter again? Do you know, like where this whole... Yeah, just listen to what I'm telling you.
Starting point is 00:54:44 It's true. That's the reason why it's getting big. But why over the past two or three weeks? Why now? Yeah, so, I mean, we just went over that. It's the ontological shock. So the matter of it is, we couldn't believe this is possibly real before,
Starting point is 00:54:58 but we're in 2023 now. We've seen videos like this before. We have some context for it. We know what disinformation campaigns look like and how they work. Like generally, they use social contagion. They bought upvote on Reddit to make sure that the lowest quality stuff
Starting point is 00:55:16 that is debunked is at the top, but the idea is once you see the headline that says, this has been debunked, then you think that. You think that everybody else thinks that. Yeah. And so people start to realize that this is how they operate. And this is how why, you know, unless they start to talk to me,
Starting point is 00:55:32 I'm going to write another piece about the disinformation industrial complex. Because, you know, I don't appreciate having it run on me. Yeah. Yeah, and it happens. I mean, well, any time anyone is pursuing any information outside the narrative. Right. That's what happens. Yeah, that's what happens.
Starting point is 00:55:49 Yeah. They're going to do that to you. It absolutely does. Well, Ashton, is there anything else that you want to say before we, before we wrap it up? I mean, is there anything that, you know, what are you going to be working on in the future with this? Is there anything else you can do at this moment as far as the MH370 deal? So the best thing that we can do is simply bring attention to the evidence that's already there. We don't need to go in any more directions.
Starting point is 00:56:12 We don't need a guess about what might have happened. We just simply need to focus 100% of the attention on the facts that I've already laid out. Yeah. If we do that and we don't get into any more speculation, then we might have true disclosure. I want to keep in mind that, you know, I want to go back to my normal job. I had a normal job before this. I wouldn't mind just going back to that and being a normal person again. I don't know if that's going to be a possible thing, but that's what I'd like to do.
Starting point is 00:56:42 So I'm probably going to take it easy, at least this next week. I will, of course, still post and keep this stuff, you know, blowing up. But I got to get back to my normal stuff. Well, let me ask you because I'm going to ask you one more question. How has this affected you, though? Because it sounds like, you know, it sounds like it's screwing with you a little bit somewhere. Mentally something. Like, as far as, as far as, like, I don't know, maybe you had a different perception of life and maybe this, this incident where now it seems to be true.
Starting point is 00:57:14 You think something different. Well, it's almost like he followed this thing down in a rabbit. Yeah. Have you guys seen the Truman show before? I have And yeah To where it was like the reality I haven't I don't remember exactly
Starting point is 00:57:28 Well there you go Then you understand The reality when you realize That you've been Had the wool of your eyes the whole time And all you had to potentially do Is open it up Yep just open your eyes
Starting point is 00:57:42 It's kind of a ego Brutal ego punch you know Yeah And then for me it's just I can't have this on my conscience I can't just sit here and know with the evidence in front of me with nobody reviewing it, nobody looking into it, media ignoring it, government ignoring it. I cannot have it in my conscience for the rest of my life.
Starting point is 00:58:06 So one way or another, it has to get figured out. That's what I'm dealing with mentally and emotionally. Well, that's good. I mean, and I think everybody, and my thought is everybody's put on the planet at some point in time to fight for something. And maybe this is your thing. thing that they believe in and that's exactly what we do with this podcast is you know we try to seek the truth yeah and you know like i appreciate you guys give me the opportunity yeah absolutely well ashton say once once again what's your twitter how can people follow you uh make sure everyone
Starting point is 00:58:35 knows that and uh yeah so it's ashton at just tray lull um in twitter and the hashtag to find me very easily is just hashtag mh 370x if you look through my highlight I've tried to keep it categorized, organized, so you can easily pull the facts, quote them. I want to make sure that from a media perspective, everybody understands that you do not have my consent unless you reach out to me and contact me to use any of my material.
Starting point is 00:59:06 Sounds good. Well, Ashton, thank you so much for coming on. By the way, we'll probably follow up with you if anything else comes up. You know, obviously we'll keep in contact. And like I said, I think, you know, I think this is something that everyone needs to hear. hear. Yeah, and I appreciate you working on this. And I don't think, I think it was kind of thrown on
Starting point is 00:59:26 you in your lap and you went with it. And you, like you said, you have a conscious and you've got to get it out there. Yeah, I think eventually, yeah, when you see, when you see some of the things or you start going down some of these holes and you start realizing things are true, you can't help yourself. And that's, you know, you got to seek the truth and you got to let people know the truth. Yeah. A couple. And I want to last comment on that is that I'm not a superhero. I didn't do anything special. Season 3 of Fargo, the enemy's superpowers, he knows what to Google things. From, you know, from my perspective, like, yeah, was it a calling? I don't want to call it anything like that. I don't believe in necessarily any of that. But, you know, the reality is
Starting point is 01:00:04 somebody had to step up. And I might be that person who has all the right factors that can go ahead and get vilified. I can be the martyr if I need to be the martyr if it's necessary. I don't want to be, but I could be the right person that can make sure that this doesn't get ignored. So I figured somebody's got to do it. And if you guys take anything from this, the people that are listening, you can be this person too.
Starting point is 01:00:31 If you're one of the people that knows the truth, and I know there's people out there that know the truth about this airplane, they have racking guilt over it. Tell the truth. The families deserve it. The pilots family deserve it. it. Yeah, absolutely. And I think there's other than MH370, I think there's other events that's
Starting point is 01:00:53 happened in history that really the same thing applies. And, you know, at least someone out there is... Like disasters that has happened. You know, there is truth to a lot of things that happen in our world. Yeah, we don't understand the full reality of certain things. Well, Ashton, man, we appreciate you coming on. We'll definitely keep, you know, keeping contact. And hopefully, like I said, hopefully we get more information on this. And, you know, it'd be great if maybe, mainstream media would cover something, but, you know, we're not likely to see that. I think it's up to citizen journalists. I think it's up to people, the people, for once, to actually find the truth.
Starting point is 01:01:27 And that's a commendable thing. And it's also something I think that many people should be doing more of. It's just trying to say what you feel, especially if you know something about something, you've got to step up and you get to talk. And I think that's kind of your point. So we appreciate it, Ashen. Awesome. Thanks a lot, guys. I appreciate the time. All right. See you.
Starting point is 01:01:46 All right, guys, that was Ashton. Sorry, that was... That was you hanging up on Ashton. That was Ashton hanging up on me, actually. Oh, okay. No, so that was Ashton, man. I mean, and that's the thing. It's this whole deal is crazy.
Starting point is 01:02:02 It's really crazy to kind of hear... And look, you know, this guy is someone that, you know, he's devoted a lot of his life to this. You know, and, you know, for example, when we cover topics on everything, it's hard. You know, you can't exactly devote. your life to everything all at once, right? And that's why I wanted to bring him on. I knew he's devoted a lot of his time and effort and he's been in contact with a lot of people and that kind of have substantiated a lot of the things that I think he, I think
Starting point is 01:02:33 he had an awakening moment to where he realized this was real. And I think if anyone else that is listening had probably the same moment that he had, he had, because it sounds like he did. And I think there are other people out there. And I think that's what his stance is, is other people know about what really happened. And if they do, you know, he wants them to be courageous and come out like he did, you know. Well, and he's very secretive about kind of who he is and his life and all this stuff. And I think he's worried about it. Yeah. Well, and I think it is because, well, I think he is because, you know, if you know something
Starting point is 01:03:13 like that. And I think, scary. Look, at the very, very least guys at the very least whatever your thought is leaving this podcast um listen to this podcast um listen to this podcast about m h370 what you heard from him uh we probably could have went into many more things but um and we might do a follow up for ourselves on this but you know if you just listen to him though um you can tell that he believes it regardless 100% believes what he's what he knows I believe what he knows. Like, just him telling me, I'm not really big at this event. I remember when it happened.
Starting point is 01:03:49 I remember, like, them taking off. And then people are like, oh, they're nowhere. Like, we don't get this. I remember exactly the day it happened. Yeah, I mean, there's, I mean, and the reality of this is, is, it is going to go down as one of the biggest aviation mysteries to ever happen. I mean, especially in our lifetime, I mean, I'm sure there were other events. And there's a lot of mysteries that that would also be, you know, some of the biggest aviation mysteries. I mean, you know, that we just don't hear about.
Starting point is 01:04:18 It gets covered up. Right. And especially in relation to UFOs and EAPs. But there was one thing I did want to bring up that I didn't get to ask him about is, you know, like the Bermuda triangle. There's weird things that happen in that triangle. Yeah. Could this been another Bermuda triangle? And of course, it's a triangle.
Starting point is 01:04:37 Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. It's weird. It's whatever the case is. You know, one of the things I didn't really get into him with about because, you know, he, he doesn't want to talk outside of what he just knows, right?
Starting point is 01:04:51 He knows he don't want to speculate. It's facts, yeah. Facts. Yeah, and he believes the videos and everything he's seen and, and his, yeah, and his backing on all this stuff and all of the research he's done that these videos are very real. he believes that they are 100% what they actually are. And so if that's the case, right, and we got to remember this, if that is the case, it's mind-blowing, and it's something that is,
Starting point is 01:05:22 if you want disclosure, you want something to do with teleportation or whatever. Now, one of the things that I wanted to get deeper into him, he didn't really want to do, but, you know, teleportation thing. I think number one, number one, I think it's okay to speculate. I think it's okay to speculate and talk and think about things
Starting point is 01:05:43 because I don't believe personally that if there are three UAPs circling an airplane, which if you see the videos, and I encourage all of you to go see them, you can just type in MH370 on X or Twitter, you can find the videos. But if you watch the videos and you see these three circling UAPs
Starting point is 01:06:03 around the aircraft, and then it disappears all at once yeah I mean it's I don't think it just disappears into nothing because that makes zero sense to me like when and two when they're talking about you know he's talking about atomized or the atoms yeah to me it reminds me of like a nuclear weapon it just destroys and disintegrates you just disintegrate and I think that's what he feels happened yeah but but it still doesn't really make a lot of sense. But, you know, that's not his thing. He don't want to speculate and that's fine.
Starting point is 01:06:39 Our job is to investigate. And so we don't investigateively, you have to. And that's the same thing with science, right? I mean, that's what's so lost in science nowadays. It's like, is this and nothing else. And you can't ask questions. You're not allowed to ask questions. You're not allowed to ask the right questions.
Starting point is 01:06:58 We're seeing that on a daily basis in every single thing we do. I mean, look at Ashton. for example, he's very careful to, yeah, so far to say, you know, I got disclaimers here,
Starting point is 01:07:11 got this, got that. And it's because of, there's a reason that people are like that nowadays. And it's because of they want when they sue someone or when they sue someone into oblivion and,
Starting point is 01:07:23 or they put them in jail, or they disappear, or whatever the case is, these are all messages that are saying, you do not question anything. It is our narrative or else. And the people
Starting point is 01:07:36 that are saying, you, is the government. You know, the government goes after people. They make people disappear. And I think he worries about that. Well, I mean, you know, David Grush himself said it. I mean, you know, he said it in front of Congress. And, you know, that is a very real
Starting point is 01:07:52 thing. But the reality is is that if there's one thing I'm going to fight on a hill for until my death, it's going to be truth and it's going to be and sharing knows this. Like, I'll give you a I'll give you a good example. And this is just a very basic example.
Starting point is 01:08:07 But this is just my personality. If you want to know who I am, this is me. Well, we got an HOA letter day or day because these assholes, by the way. I'm not even going to say to HOA, but I might say them soon. Because I'm just letting you guys know. We got an HOA letter about some stupid BS. Now, we had a guess, and I'm not even going to go into even that close to personal details, but we may have pissed off someone about something.
Starting point is 01:08:33 completely unrelated to anything about our house or HOA or any of that stuff. And so then we started getting HOA letters, right? And these HOA letters were just bitching about the craziest little things, right? And so my initial thing was, and Sherry was one that was like, well, I guess we got to go here. What can we do that? Yeah, let's just fix it. No, I was like, no, F them, because you know what? Like, let's fight.
Starting point is 01:08:57 Because you're not going to tell me, you're not going to come after me and be like, you know, you're not allowed to do this or you're not, you know, no, we're going to fight this rather than I'm not going to give in and submit to you. That's just not how it works, especially if I know I'm not doing anything wrong. And that's the way it is in the world today is that you don't have to do anything wrong for the powers that be to make you want to submit to them from the very beginning. When you wake up in the morning and you go throughout your day every single day and you see things or think things that potentially, you know, are things that really need to be heard, really need to be out there. if someone needs to hear about it, you now would just based on your consciousness and everything that you hear on a daily basis and the systems that are in place, most people say, well, I'm just not going to say anything.
Starting point is 01:09:43 It's not worth it. No, I'm not going to say anything because I might get in trouble. I'm not going to say anything because I might do this. You have to because most people are that person. But there are people that do say it and you have to. Yeah. And that's reality. And that's the reality.
Starting point is 01:09:58 you know, people are afraid of authority because authority are the people that, you know, get you in trouble or do whatever. But authority nowadays is beyond authority. Yeah. So, you know what? HOA, we're keeping our beautiful grass in the front of our yard. Yeah, they literally tried to tell us to take out a grass plant, which is an ornamental grass. Yeah, ornamental grass.
Starting point is 01:10:21 It's like $40 if you go by it lows. And they're like, that's a weed. I'm like, F you, dude. But it just did happen to, like, grow naturally. But HOA, I will sell it to you if you want to come buy it for your, for the front of the neighborhood. Because you got that $40,000 lump sum where they spend it on flowers or whatever hell they do. Anyways, we'll sell it to the HOA. If they really want it that bad, maybe that's what it is.
Starting point is 01:10:46 They have not been able to found that ornamental grass and they're just trying to get rid of it. And they're going to scope our trash can out after midnight. Oh, God. And then they're going to take the genealogy of it and everything else. Well, the only reason I knew what it was is because I Googled it. Googled Lins it. So we didn't actually buy it, but it is an actual ornamental grass. Yes, it really is.
Starting point is 01:11:11 But guys, I think that's going to be it. We're actually going to play a song that we did in our last episode. So sorry, but that's what we're doing. But we like it. We do. This is called Bring My Friends by Tiger Blood Jewel, featuring Stephen Ellis. When you want to speak the truth, bring your friends. We're your friends.
Starting point is 01:11:28 We love you. Until next time, peace out. Peace out, guys.

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