Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Murdaugh Murders Podcast | Alex Murdaugh Shot | New Details

Episode Date: September 9, 2021

The father and husband of Paul and Maggie Murdaugh, Alex Murdaugh, was shot this past Saturday. Since then, this story has unraveled into a made for tv mystery. On this episode of The Murdaugh Murder Podcast, we discuss the new details surrounding the shooting of Alex.

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Say hello, Sherry. Hello, guys. Hope everyone is having a fantastic September the 8th evening. It is Wednesday, September 8th. And this is Investigator Earth podcast. And tonight we are going to talk about the Murdo of Murders once again. But specifically, we're going to talk about everything surrounding the Alex Murdoch or Alec Murdoch shooting.

And this shooting took place this past Saturday. And it took place on a rural road in South Carolina, near Hampton, South Carolina. Salkahatchie Road, I believe is the name of the road. And so we're going to talk about all the details surrounding this. Now, we've already had one episode of this podcast where we looked at what happened briefly. And this was not long after the shooting of Alec Murdoch. and that was this past Saturday. But if you want to get caught up

and at least kind of want to know in detail some of our other thoughts on, you know, I think we got five episodes on the Murdoch podcast. So definitely go back and check those out. And we kind of discuss more in detail on each thing that has happened and some of our thoughts on that.

But specifically tonight, we're going to give you a little brief rundown of what has happened so far in this crazy saga made-for-TV movie. situation that's going on and then we'll give you our thoughts and we'll also share some new information that we have uh that is just coming out today and um you know some of this stuff is going to blow your mind and uh some of it in in my opinion undoubtedly paints a bad picture

um possibly for alec mardock so anyways um we'll go ahead and get in that so sherry tell us a little bit just a just a description and timeline of what's happened so far just a quick timeline it's not going to take along just to catch you up for, catch you up speed in case you've not listened to the other podcasts. So the Murdoch family is a very prominent family with a lot of money in Hampton. A lot of people in Hampton are more on the poorer side. And by the way, this is the low country of South Carolina towards the coast. Right.

And so they are a very prominent or they are a prominent family. And many people in the Hampton area don't have money like the Murdox. So the Murdox kind of own the town, I guess. And it's not just the town. I think they control like or did control like four or five counties in some way, shape, or form. Right. Because they have a very like extensive law firm that started with their grandfather. So it's been over 100 years since this law form has been in practice.

And they also have been solicitors and all over the spectrum of attorney and legal things. So anyways, just to keep to bring you up to speed on July 8, 2015, Stephen Smith, who was 19, was found dead on Sandy Run Road in Hamden County. His death was ruled a hit and run, but the investigators at the scene felt like it was a murder or homicide, but it was not put on his death certificate, and there's still been no arrest made. Fast forward to February 24, 2019. This is the night that bust, I'm not buster. sorry, Paul and all of his friends went out to an oyster cook out, had fun, were drinking.

They went to a convenience store and they bought beer with his brother's ID. And he was 19 at the time. So he had a fake ID, bought the beer. They went to the oyster cooked out and everyone said they were intoxicated. There were people saying, no, we don't want to drive home. They're going home after all the drinking. And they even stopped at another bar. and got some shots.

So a lot of them are saying, no, they didn't want Paul to drive, but there was, you know, fighting going on this whole time. So basically what happened, they got on the boat, and they went anyways. And allegedly, Paul crashed into a bridge, and three or four people were thrown out of the boat, Mallory Beach, was one of them. They called 911. They were all okay, except for Mallory was missing.

So that was on February 24th. And then fast forward to March 3rd of 2019. Almost a week later, Mallory's body was found almost five miles away from the crash scene. So in March of 2019, the Beach family filed a wrongful death lawsuit against several families that had the oyster fry that night. The convenience store. Or the roast, sorry. I guess that's what's called. Oyster roast.

Oyster roast. The convenience store and Alec Murdoch. and Buster Murdoch for providing the ID. Later, the lawsuit became just Alec and Buster in the convenience store and the other ones were dropped. And Parker's is a huge gas station. They're a national company, yeah. But I think they're still in the lawsuit today. April 18, 2019, Paul was indicted on the charges of the voting under the influence.

In May 6th, he pled not guilty to all charges. on June 4th, the court ordered a mediation for the wrongful death lawsuit, and it failed to go anywhere, so then it was going to trial. So that happened on June 4th. June 7th is when Alex Murdoch discovered the bodies of his son and his wife, Maggie and Paul. So June 4th, it was going to trial, and then the 7th is when they were murdered. Yes, right, June 4th. So it was not very far after that, you know, after that was filed, that was going to trial,

and then they ended up dying four days later. And also before that, this story is so hard because it has so many twists and turns, but it's allegedly said that Paul and Maggie, I mean, Alex and Maggie were not getting along. This is the mom and dad. They were married and they were separated. And Maggie was filing, what kind of thing is that called, Chad?

Like a separation. Yeah, a separation. Oh, but yeah, but she was also filing, not filing. She was hiring a forensics audit looking into their finances. And so typically when you do that, you're trying to figure out something. Right. You're trying to figure out where money went or where money was going for a particular reason, whatever the case is. But yeah, it was she did hire a firm to do a forensic audit.

So this was also in the beginning of June. So all this is coming out. The trial is going on trial. Maggie is looking for where the money is going, because she's separated and wants to get a divorce. And then Alex discovers Maggie and Paul's bodies at their hunting ranch in Moselle, or on Moselle Boulevard or whatever it was. Yeah.

So he was the first one to discover their bodies. He called 911, told them what happened. And then what happened next, Chad? Well, I mean, he was shot this past weekend, Labor Day weekend. I don't really know if there was anything after that too much. I mean, I know Sled wrapped up their investigation. It took them a while. I mean, I think they were there for what a week or two at the Hampton County Farm.

And so this farm, which we're not going to go into, but it was, you know, it was not their main estate. You know, the Murdochs were pretty wealthy. And they had, from what we hear, multiple estates across South Carolina and not just across, mostly in the low country. in Charleston, I think. I don't know. Yeah. And so this hunting lodge was just one of their many estates in South Carolina. And the night of the murder, Paul and Maggie just happened to be there.

And so what everybody's speculation started to be about this briefly, we'll talk about this just for a minute. But, you know, because everyone thought that because of who Paul was, and Paul was the driver of the boat that killed Mallory Beach, because of who he was and because of the prominence of the law firm and the prominence of the family name and and and just how much power they they had in the low country whether or not they used it for mischievous ways or not a lot of people thought that Paul was not going to be prosecuted even though he was actually indicted they still didn't believe that anything was going to come from it yeah they you know they didn't believe it for many reasons number one the night of the boat crashing they they didn't do it a DUI check. They didn't do a breathalyzer. Didn't do any of this stuff. They didn't even take him to jail and have like a mugshot done or anything. No, it was, it was nuts how it was handled. Didn't they do his picture like at the courthouse or something on a cell phone? And then Alec,

you know, and his name's pronounced Alex. So I always got to keep trying to tell myself. It's Alex Murdoch. It's Alec. Murdoch. Yeah, it's a weird way you pronounce both names. Right. But, um, so yeah, you know, so then there was rumors that Alec was telling people not to talk about what happened and you better keep my son's name on your mouth or something along those lines to some of the other kids that were on the boat that night. And there was also a lot of questions raised about how law enforcement handled the case. It was almost intentional. There were rumors that there were officers on scene of the boat crash that evening that should have never been there. I'm talking about higher ranking officers that would have never came out to a scene like that.

but they did because the rumors and close local sources say that, you know, these high-ranking officers were there to make sure nothing happened to Paul, possibly. And they were called once, from what the rumors are, from once Paul called his dad, and then his dad contacted people, and they made sure they got down there and, you know, made sure Paul was, that was handled the way he was supposed to be handled. You know, and like I said, when you're a solicitor slash lawyer slash whatever, you know, you hold a lot of power over pretty much everybody. I mean, besides the judges, you hold power kind of over a lot of people. And that's just the way it is, especially in small towns. Not every small town. Don't think just because, you know, it's a small town, South Carolina. Every towns like that.

It's not. But there are places that are and there are places that have corruption. And I don't know how deep this corruption runs, but I think maybe we'll find out in the future. maybe we won't it depends on how deep it is right and i think like you were saying that people were saying that they felt like he was going to get off but i watched some of the uh des depositions thank you chad say it again despise oh deposition i can never talk when we're on here but i watched some of them of the kids and they were also talking about how belligerent he was he was intoxicated he wouldn't let anyone drive at one point he sped up and he was we do have a podcast and all this so

we don't want to just go through the whole thing but he just try to speed up and he was just being belligerent. A lot of people call his other ego when he gets drunk Timmy. So pretty much allegedly he was driving and he was at fault. Well, according to all

the witnesses he was. Yeah, he was at fault. From what I understood. So was there anything else past that? Until the shooting or? Not really. I mean their funerals and things like that. But you know, when they did the autopsies they found out that Maggie and Paul were both

shot multiple times with different guns. Yeah, there was two guns. And we'll talk about that a little more as we get towards the end of this show. But so over the weekend, Labor Day weekend, Alec Murdoch, which is the father and the, was the husband of Maggie, called 911 saying he had been shot on a rural road, and it was near Varnville, which is in Hampton County. And so he was airlifted to a hospital in Savannah, Georgia for treatment of a superficial gunshot wound to the head.

But at the time, everyone thought it was a major, like, life-threatening gunshot to the head. Yeah. And actually, the reason for that is because someone close to the family, a spokesperson, or I believe one of the attorneys or an attorney for Alec, made a statement to the press. And the way the first statement kind of came out and maybe even a second one, it made it sound really bad. So everyone kind of thought he was almost like knocking on death's door. Like he was possibly going to die. Well, you think about when somebody's shot in the head, you think, oh, my gosh, shot in the head, not many people are, I think 90% of the people that are shot in the head, it's a fatality. Yeah, I mean, unless it's just a weird place, you know.

But so two days after this shooting, and we're going to get a little more into the shooting and then kind of what's happened, but two days after the shooting this past weekend on Labor Day weekend, Murdoch said that he was resigning from his law firm. his statement said the murders of my wife and son have caused an incredibly difficult time in my life I have made a lot of decisions that I truly regret and he then also announced that he was entering rehab so

he didn't clarify about the treatment but his brother Randy said it was for drug addiction and he said it was for opioids even he went a little further into that now Randy is the brother of Alec and he is also an attorney and you know part of the firm

Mm-hmm. So it's, the crazy thing about it is, Randy came out recently and, and, and, and said, you know, he, this whole time, he's been on Good Morning America, he's been on other shows. Yeah. He's been supporting his brother, his family. They even ask what, you know, on Good Morning America, they said, do you know of anybody that would have wanted to hurt the family or, or whatever? And he's like, no, I don't, I don't know if anybody, no enemies. that our family has. I don't know any enemies they would have.

But do you remember they were saying, I'm sorry, babe. You're reading my brain. Go ahead. But he said that there were threats on the internet. You know, that's the only thing that they had, you know,

thought about. But he's like, but you know how the internet is. Now, what I will say, and I'm not throwing them or anybody else under the bus, but that interview was weird to me, both them.

And actually, not long after the deaths, his brothers were in Bahamas on vacation. No, that was Alec and Buster. We're in Bahamas in a golf tournament. No, I thought it was the brothers. I don't think it was Alec and Buster. Yeah, it was.

Are you sure? I'm pretty positive. But anyways, yeah, the brothers is like, yeah, they got death threats, but we didn't really take it seriously. Like, this is kind of already creating suspicion that somebody's after this family that wants to murder this family because of the previous murders that they're tied to, which is Stephen Smith and Mallory. beach and there's also a maid that died in their house so there's three suspicious well i guess the maid's

not suspicious but the other two are pretty suspicious murders that in this community there are rumors saying the murdock boys are tied to yeah and and so you know days before and by the way he you know alec did have his law license suspended um it was suspended by the south kana's supreme court um and uh you know, it was, I mean, here's the thing. Now, we don't know, at least at this time, why they were suspended, was his license suspended because he entered rehab. There are some people say that if you enter rehab or, you know, go into a drug addiction type situation that they can suspend your license.

But then also, the law firm came out and made a statement recently, and they said that they forcefully made Alec Murdoch resign because they found out he was misappropriating funds of at least a million dollars. Now, we don't know exactly how much of that money he was misappropriating, but it was at least a million dollars. And this is his own firm. Right. And does that mean, does that mean, embezzling pretty much? Yeah, I mean, it's pretty much embezzlement. I mean, you know, maybe. I mean, misappropriating funds.

Money laundering. Embezzling just means you're taking money you're not supposed to be. And you're putting it somewhere you're not supposed to be. So it could be that, could be money laundering. Yeah. Money laundering is different. but you would still have to embezzle to money laundering if you're taking the money from some else some money laundering. You know, if you're money laundering, you're cleaning the money, meaning you're trying to figure out a way to make it to where you can't be traced.

You know, it looks like it's coming from a legitimate thing. You could money laundering through a law firm even. You know, you could money laundering in a lot of different ways. But, you know, typically when you're misappropriating funds, obviously he had been doing this. Now, what I am very curious about is how long Alec Murdoch had been misappropriating funds. When was the first time they started seeing him take this money? How fast was, say if it was just a million dollars, how fast was that a million dollars taken? You know?

Yeah, was it over time? Was it quick? Typically, you know, misappropriating funds and embezzlement does take time because it, you know, like a lot of the people that do it and, you know, you'll see those stories on the news and it shows this lady. She's like a, I don't know, an accountant or something for this place. She's older lady. I don't know why. It's like a lot of older ladies do this. But you'll see her and it's like, she's been, she embezzled $37,000 over $24.

years. I'm like 25 years long. You've got 37,000. One of my best friends' moms did that and ended up going to jail for embezzlement. But that's what I'm saying. A lot of these people will do it in very small increments to where it's not noticeable. Just a little bit. Yeah. And then she'd come home and say, oh, I won the lottery or I got a bonus or, you know, something like that. Yeah. But we don't know, you know, when did the embezzlement start, you know, all this. So Randy Murdoch, which is, you know, the brother of Alex, said in a statement Wednesday, he was shocked at the news. His brother was accused of misused. firm funds and enter in rehab. Now, he is still an active partner in the Peters, Murdoch, Parker, and Elstras, and Dietrich, PA. So Randy is still an active partner in the law firm.

And he went on to say that I love my law firm family and also love Alex as my brother. While I will support him as a recovery, I do not support condone or excuse his conduct, instilling or instilling by manipulating his most trusted relationships. So that's a weird statement, too. I mean, it's just, I don't know. It says, I do not support, condone, or excuse his conduct instilling by manipulating his most trusted relations. So manipulating means that he manipulated that maybe people knew. You do this? Or, and I'm taking the money or vice versa.

You do this or I'm going to do this. But it is interesting. I mean, it's weird how he said that statement, I guess, is I say. He says, I will continue to pursue my client's interest with the highest degree of honesty and integrity, as I always have. And that's what he said in a statement. So, and like I said, they did suspend his law license, Alec Murdox, indefinitely. And actually the firm turned him in to wherever you is suspended. To law enforcement and, yeah.

Yeah, his own firm, their own firm, turned him in and said that, you know, they had proof of this. Now, there's a couple weird things because, number one, like, why did it just came out? You know, why did they just start finding this out? It just doesn't make sense. I mean, everything is hitting so, like, all at the same time. And so they suspended his license indefinitely. It did say that Alec Murdoch agreed with the ruling. And then he announced he resigned Friday.

And at that time, he did not elaborate on why. But the law firm later did say that they forcefully made him resign and said that they had retained a forensic accounting firm and had notified law enforcement. So, you know, they said they forcefully made him resign. They found out that he was stealing money. But I wonder why they found out or how they found out or what the deal was without. I have no idea. But it is kind of weird. He said manipulating.

Yeah, manipulating by manipulating. So. Yeah, that's very interesting. Because if you're manipulating somebody, they know about it, don't you think? Yeah. But, I mean, if it's, what I really want to know, though, is when did he start stealing this money? How long ago was it? and how fast did he steal it?

Because, you know, it's just, to me, I just don't think that you're, I don't know, for some reason I feel like this was done faster than you think. I don't know. But I just don't see how a law firm could be missing. They said not just million, but millions of dollars he took or did something with. How do you not see millions of dollars go away or, you know, don't you have some kind of accounting? something in your firm when it's that big. How many attorneys, like five or six attorneys? How would you miss that?

Unless you said it's a very quick, a quick deal that he was doing, that he was getting desperate or something. But parts of me don't feel like Alex did alone. Alec didn't do it alone. I think with especially that word manipulating, I think that he was not on his own. No, I, yeah, I'm the same way. I don't know that he...

Okay, look. Well, we have to say it this way, though, first, because what we're saying is, if Alec, by the way, which has been a suspect in the Paul and Maggie murders since the beginning, and from what many local news agencies, especially the ones that have sources close to the source,

close to the law enforcement and all that, you know, some of those sources have said that, you know, he has never not been a suspect in this murder or in these murders. you know, although they're, you know, according to law enforcement and the firm, I believe, I think they even had a statement on it. The night of Paul and Maggie's murders, he, Alec, was supposedly visiting his father in a hospital. And so he had a rock solid alibi.

So we don't know exactly, you know, did he hire someone? If Alec had anything to do with this and he did have a rock solid alibi. alibi, then if he hired someone. So then we start thinking about, okay, well, where did this money go? You know, look, if you're going to misappropriate, and by the way, I don't know if we've talked about this, but before, like right before

Paul and Maggie's murders, Maggie had asked for separation from what we understand. And I believe she was even living in Edisto. Like, she had already kind of moved out and they were really separated because there are

allegedly... I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure, because Allegedly people are saying that he was in a affair, but some people are saying she had an affair. I don't know. Yeah, there was people saying that he had a mistress and on this. There was definitely problems in their marriage. Yeah. So, you know, and then the fact that she hired a forensic accounting firm, you know, to look into their finances. And so it starts making me wonder, like, why did she do that number one?

Why? Yeah. But then, you know, now you have the law firm. Now, the question is, in this, the articles I've read and the sources, all kind of make it sound like the forensic accounting firm that the law office hired was more recent. Not something that was happened a long time ago or whatever.

Yeah, because Maggie's was before early June. Yeah. Like just not long before she was murdered. And then the law firm, it just sounds like that was just recently. Yeah, and my question is, I wonder, you know, obviously, look, if news agencies and, you know, we've had sources on stuff before and, you know, stuff, stuff that, you know, nobody else had.

And, you know, if you're a prominent law office with DAs and, you know, ex-s, you know, solicitors, whoever, you were going to have your sources on all the way up. I mean, sled to everything else. And I wonder if there was a tip off to say, hey, you guys might want to check your funds, you know, or what else. Is this something? Right. Because something triggered it. Exactly.

And I just want to know, like, Chad, I'm going to ask you this question. Like in Hampton County where they live, the Murdox were a very prominent, rich family. And a lot of people in this community say they were rich, rich, rich, rich, rich, rich. Some people would not ever like see that in five lives, as much money as they had. Why would he take funds from the law firm and possibly his wife? Well. I get his wife if they're going through a divorce. I don't even think.

See, that's my thing. I don't even think that. I don't think, this is my opinion, but when I hear that Maggie Murdoch hired a forensic accounting team to look through their finances, I don't even think it was because he was taking money from them necessarily.

I think it was something different. I don't know. It has to do with them being separated and being a divorce? It may, but... Because I'm just saying there are some messy divorces and a lot of times when you have money, you're going to try to hide that money.

Yeah, it may. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I have no idea. But anyway, so let's get back to the shooting. So the shooting happened. What shooting? The shooting.

Alec. This weekend. Alex Murdoch shooting in the head. So Alec Murdoch said that a truck passed him while he was changing a tire on the side of a road because his tire went flat. He said that I believe, I don't know. I don't know for sure he said he got out, but I'm pretty sure the sources say that he said he got out of the car to change his tire. there was a truck that rode past him turned around, came back, and shot him. And there were two men in the truck when they turned around and shot at him.

Yes. So, which is, you know, obviously that's perfect, right? Because, you know, there were two weapons used at the crime scene for Paul and Maggie. So, of course, you're going to say there was two men that shot was in the car, right? And when we first saw it, sorry, Chuck, but when we first saw the video of the people driving by, remember those, what are those things that they had on? the ground you're talking about evidence markers yeah the evidence markers there was like evidence markers all over like the back end of the car where you would think that would be shell casings right

we don't know or dispensed shell casings um but we don't know i mean probably it was but and if that's the case look here's the biggest here's the biggest news i you look you can you can talk about he checked himself into rehab because of opioid use you know i think it's pretty convenient that he did that now of all times um but i also think it's convenient and crazy that that, you know, now they're finding out he's still in millions of dollars. And his whole life is, it's like he is a criminal now.

Yeah, he's just like flushing it down in the toilet. He went from a grieving father and son, or a grieving father and husband to now a, now we're getting a whole different picture of this guy. Well, I think even before the grieving husband and father, I think before that, I think he was a father constantly having to ring in his kids. Yeah, well, you know, keeping them out of control.

trouble. Yeah, I think so, but I think, you know, if all of this is true, I think it runs in the family, seems like. I think he's like a bigger version of Paul. Or Paul was going to probably be a bigger version of him, you know, or whatever

the case is. But, so here's the crazy news. So they recovered a knife that was used to puncher Alec Murdoch's tire, and this was reported by a local South Carolina News Agency. And, And so there were multiple sources that said that they did recover a knife.

And the crazy part about it was is that according to these sources, and these are from what sounds like to be pretty credible sources, the knife in question was linked to Alec Murdoch. Meaning he owned it? Well, and then it's, so it goes on to say, you know, both of the tips involved in a knife were first reported to this news director. and then they both begin vetting the information. And I think this all happened this morning.

With law enforcement, yeah, I think so maybe. With law enforcement and prosecution, so, or prosecutable sources. So the local sources are confirming the blade, which slashed the tire, belong to Alex Murdoch. And it was not immediately clear whether it was recovered or how it was determined to have been tied to the lawyer, Alec Murdoch. but they definitely said it was his it was his knife and how do they know that and where do they find it? They don't know but they know.

That's what I want to know. Well, they know. How do they know it was his knife? Well, I hope he wasn't dumb enough to slash his own tire and then throw it right into the field. Like right in the little bushes right there. Because listen, they were like after all that happened, after he got shot,

supposedly got shot, you know, they all were out there with metal detectors looking for any kind of evidence. You know, isn't a knife metal? they could have easily they easily could have found the knife in the field if it was his knife and he did it it could have been in the field

but where else would they recover it? But it said that there was tips somebody knew about that. Yeah. So that makes me wonder, who's tips? Who knew about the knife? Somebody may be turning on Alec because maybe Alec told them

and they gave them a tip. Oh, it was his knife. How would they know that besides somebody else telling them it was. I don't know. Well, and my thing at this point is, now SLED is the, for those of you who don't know anything

about South Carolina law enforcement, SLED, which is South Carolina Law Enforcement Division, that's what it stands for. They are basically the state agency of law enforcement. So there's a lot of states have it. It's kind of like a, North Carolina has SBI, State Bureau of Investigation. South Carolina has

SLED. And so SLED has been very, very quiet about this entire case, not just this one, but, you know, all of them. My thing is, especially with the shooting of Alec Murdoch on Saturday, is that, you know, if you, okay, they've made no arrest in that shooting whatsoever, literally he got airlifted to the hospital for whatever reason, if it was superficial, which by all accounts now it is, I think literally Alec was released either that night or the next day and then into rehab.

He went straight from the hospital, into rehab. So he got life flighted out of there for a superficial gunshot wound. And how does that happen? Well, I mean, I don't know. I mean, like I said, it could be a million different things. It could have been the fact that, you know, they knew that Alec Murdoch was shot. They knew who it was. Obviously, he's going to say who he is when he gets on 911.

And maybe they just went ahead and called it because of his location, you know, how out in the middle of nowhere he was. And so if he was shot, they just wanted to go ahead and roll life flight. But I guess, you know, they can cancel life flight helicopters. I mean, so if they would have got there and saw that, hey, it's a superficial wound, all right, well, let's cancel the helicopter. Unless he insisted, hey, no, I need to go, whatever. I don't know. Because the helicopter rides expensive. Yeah, I'm sure.

They don't care. But what is the difference between a artificial, superficial wound? Superficial, not artificial. Or superficial, sorry, superficial wound and an actual, like, gunshot, what's the difference? Superficial wound is like a scratch. Like a scratch. But could they bleed a lot? No, not really.

A superficial wound is a non-puncture wound, meaning it's something that doesn't puncture the skin and then, like, say, the muscle or something. So it's just something on the skin. Are you sure? Yes. A superficial wound is like a scratch or a cut or something like that. Now, I'm not saying you can't bleed a lot from superficial wounds, but the way they made it out. I mean, look, this guy was, he got airlifted to Savannah.

And then he was in rehab in like 12 hours. Yeah. I mean, for opioid. Less than two days for him to be in rehab. Yeah. And so, you know, and so here's my thinking on the rehab thing. You know, look, I'm not saying the guy didn't have an opioid problem. I mean, he probably very well did.

Now, his, what he's saying is is that he understands he let a lot of people down in his statement. And he said that, you know, the murder of his wife and son was just been too much on him. And he's made a lot of bad decisions. because of that and so on and so forth. You know, and obviously his opioid use, if he is addicted to opioids, I'm not saying he couldn't have started him afterwards, but from what the sources say,

he's had this problem for a while. But why now all of a sudden do you check yourself into a rehab center, especially when someone was going to shoot you, supposedly? But the other thing is, what I want to make clear on this, is that I understand SLED has been very quiet about the investigation. Anytime you're investigating, murders or any of that stuff, you're going to be quiet about it, especially if it's going to, if it can hinder your investigation whatsoever or whatever.

But, you know, if there was a truck that passed him with two men in it, and they haven't made any arrest and they don't know who it is, there would have been all points. Bulletin, a Bolo, there would have been asking the help from the public and asking them to, if they knew this truck or saw this truck or saw these people or knew who these people were, please contact law enforcement, especially, especially considering if this guy, Alec Merrick Murdoch, the father and husband of his... Maggie and Paul. As Maggie and Paul that just got murdered.

And then there's two people trying to kill him. Yeah, that's kind of scary. No, but that's not even the point. Law enforcement would have been all over to news trying to get the public's help because this could be their missing key to solve this entire thing. Yeah, and to solve the murders of Maggie and Paul. Yes. And so the fact that you heard nothing about it...

Yeah, it's just strange. It's almost guaranteed. bullshit. Yeah, I think that they know. I think they know more than they're saying, and they think they, I think they already know that it's bullshit. Well, I think they already know

everything. I think they know most. I think they're probably just trying to get their case rock solid, you know, because when you do arrest and you do all that, number one, you've got to have warrants, you get, and especially you know, especially all this stuff, you know, especially with a law

firm and so on and so forth. But now as law firms turned on him so you know he's not going to have much help there you know now if had had it been that you know he didn't have misappropriating slash embezzling had it been that had it been the fact that what if this shooting that he supposedly got shot is actually him or he staged it or whatever you know you're you basically have no help at that point i mean you know you're taking money from a law firm whatever the case is you're pretty much on your own but still sled has to be very thorough in their investigation. You know, we got to remember Alec is an attorney and he's been a DA and whatever solicitor.

He is very smart about stuff. I'm sure that if he did all of this, just say, for example, he did all of this. He didn't do it in a dumb way. I can guarantee that because if he would have, he would have probably already been arrested. Now, he's doing some stupid things. Yeah, I think. If he's doing this is really dumb. Yeah.

And let's just talk about this. for a minute. This Saturday, he goes down this road that is not even the quickest road to Charleston where he's supposed to be headed. No, it's literally the most rural area you can possibly go. And so they've already said that the knife that cut his tire was his knife and they found it. We don't know where he found it. And then when they come to the scene, they have the indicator things with looks like to me, shell casings around his car. Possibly. Yeah. Which means to me, I don't know what I mean. that either somebody shot at him or he staged it. But how in the world,

how in the world, if he staged it or had somebody do that, do you get somebody to shoot you with an artificial wound? I don't think you do. Or a superficial wound. I don't think you do. I think you make up the wound, meaning I think you do something to yourself and not use a weapon. But I think you do something to yourself to make it look like.

But keep in mind, law enforcement sled may know, without a doubt right now he wasn't shot at all you know right I mean or what if he was could it be a possibility that he was trying to set this scene up and shot at his car and one of the bullets ricocheted from his car and hit the side of his face

or his head I guess that's possible how possible is it I mean it's possible like what percentage would you say it's a low percentage so why is it low why well because oh yeah it depends on what kind of gun he's used I mean those are all just things I mean But typically you can shoot a car and ain't going to ricochet and hit you.

But do bullets ricochet? Yeah, they do. But it just depends on what weapon you're using, what the round is, all that. I mean, what the caliber is. So I don't know. I mean, it is possible. I doubt it, but it's possible. Because I just don't see Alec Murdoch as a type of person to try to commit suicide and fail committing suicide.

Well, no. Obviously, he didn't fail. Obviously, if he has a superficial wound, he didn't try to commit suicide. Right. And there's allegations that's what happened that day And that he couldn't go through it But that's, I don't think Superficial wound is not

No In no way You're trying to kill yourself No So no he wasn't trying to kill himself I mean it is a possibility That he could have shot up his car But then you got to think about

He's got to put that gun somewhere Right And it wasn't I guess obviously They didn't recover it So it couldn't have been in his car It couldn't have been in the field where they were looking because wouldn't the magnet thing the metal detector yeah fine yeah it would but I mean yeah I don't see I don't think that's how it went down I mean it's possible but you know you got to

think about I mean it looked like from you know we saw a video of someone driving through there like showing the scene they got to drive through kind of when it first happened I mean it does look like you know evidence markers I mean there are evidence markers I don't know if that's shell casings or whatever we had heard we had heard in the beginning of this I think from the spokesman spokesperson of the family and whoever there were 10 rounds shot you know i thought it was like five or six well whatever we've heard a few things so i think for sure there were shell casings there and if they're which you know if there was that's just risky man like if you're going to do it or you're going to have someone do it that is very risky and i'm just saying if there was somebody out and it was

the same person that killed my wife and my kid and they're coming after me how would they fire six shots and not kill me. Like, tell me. Well, they wouldn't. That makes no sense. Because look, if this is the same two people, which is like, okay, say for example, Alex, I want to set this up. If this were the same two people that he wanted to appear that it was the people that killed Paul and Maggie, right? If he set this up.

And he wanted it to appear like these two people were the same people that killed his wife and his son. You know, that's a shitty. I would never do that because I mean the reality is that seems like when I first heard it that's what if I initially thought I was like he's going to try to pull it off like oh see someone's trying to kill me because I'm a suspect but you know see I'm trying to get murdered now

you know they're trying to kill me but the reality is if you think of the reality of it is that you know number one if if you are trying to kill this guy and and say it has nothing to do with Alec but you are also the people which would make a lot of sense if you're the people to kill Paul and Maggie, it would just be too coincidental that it would be someone else not involved of the

part of Maggie shooting. It would just be way too coincidental. I mean, I don't believe that. If someone did try to shoot Alec, right, and say the story, the story would have played out like it was supposed to. He would have got hit four or five times, right? And he would be in ICU right now, or dead. And so say that... Then it would make sense to me. Well, it would make sense, but it would also probably not be someone else. I mean, that's the thing. It wouldn't... The chances of it being... another related thing would be slim to none. No, it would have to have something to do with Paul and Maggie.

Paul and Maggie's murders, yes. And so was that what he was... And then it makes sense. So if he set this up, is that what he was trying to portray? It seemed like it to me. My initial thought was that is what, if he had something to do with this, that is what he was trying to portray. But the thing is, what he didn't think about is, is that, look, if you are trying

to betray that, you have to understand that law enforcement is going to also understand that if you were the person to do that, right? If you were the person that killed Paul and Maggie, or the two people, whatever the case is, you're not going to go and shoot up a car and then leave him alive. Like, that ain't happening. You're going to kill him with as many shots as you can

because obviously, especially if it's a hitman. No, especially if you're in a truck, which is what he says, you're in a truck, pull past him and then turn around. So Alec has all this time to see the car. He should have this car in good detail. He knows that they went down there, turned around and came back. He should know what the car looks like.

He should even have a decent description of the people, possibly. So with that being said, that's the dumbest thing. They're going to kill the shit out of you. If they are those people. You're going to be living. No, because for them, it's like, well, if we don't kill him, then the case is over. We're caught. Yeah.

And even if it was just another community person that's been fearful of this family all their life and they had power and they just wanted to get back at them, most of these people that live in the Hampton, whatever it is, most of them are probably hunters. They've used guns. They're used to guns. They're not going to miss either. But the reality is, look, the fact that this knife is now Paul's, I mean, not Paul's, Alex. Yeah. And then it was traced back to him. law enforcement knows that from what sources are saying and credible sources.

You know, it doesn't look good for all Alec. It does not look good for him at all. It doesn't look good for him. But what I will be curious about is I think however this whole saga ends is going to, look, it's going to be one or two things. It's going to be very simple. It's going to be, oh, Alec did it. Oh, well, he did do it. He actually did end up killing Ball Maggie because of this and this and this.

And then he set up the fact that he got shot. and all this craziness. Yes, he didn't embezzle money. Yes, he used the money for, I don't know, God knows what. It could be that. It could be Alec had nothing to do with it, right? And this stem back from the boat crash or it stemmed back from another death that they might have had something to do with.

Or it could have been someone else. Or it could be somebody that he represented as a lawyer. Yeah, and so that option, out of the two I've mentioned so far, in my opinion right now, is the absolute least likely. When Paul and Maggie were first murdered, I thought that was the number one option. I thought that, I thought it had something to do with someone they screwed over. Yeah. But I think that's less likely now.

Right. And I'm just telling you before this weekend, there was a lot of people that were looking at Alec as the main suspect as long, you know, with law enforcement, everything else. I didn't see it that way. Like I was like, how could you do that? And like, I don't know, I was seeing the best. But we also had no idea who he was. No, but we didn't know that he was on opioids. We didn't know he was stealing from his company.

We didn't know he was getting separated. We didn't know his wife had filed one of those people to look through the money, whatever. We didn't know any of that. Forensic accountants. That just changes the game. Well, it does. I mean, it does. But, you know, God, it's just, man, if you wanted to look any more guilty.

don't set up something to make it look like something else. Now, if it would have worked out, you should have shot yourself for real, or you should have got someone to shoot you. Like, I mean, honestly, that's the only way that might work out. Yeah. Like if you actually get shot. Because there were some people, there were some people saying that he got shot in the leg at that time. And then there was accounts of him getting shot in the head or the leg.

When we first heard, I was like, oh my gosh. Like at that time, I was like freaked out. I'm like, those people, whoever it was that went after Maggie and Paul, they're, you know, they got out now. But then after all this other stuff is coming out, it just changes my perspective totally. Yeah. Well, what would anybody. Yeah. Because I really didn't see like him being guilty.

Yeah, it does everyone. And look, the reality is, is that at some point in time, this case is going to break. And I honestly think law enforcement sled all of them already know what the deal is. I think they already know who the suspects are or suspect, meaning I guess I should say the suspect. And I think they know a lot more than we think they know. And, you know, yes, they've been very quiet about it, whatever. But here's my thing also. And I want to mention this.

And I don't know any of this for sure. And I'm not naming anyone. I'm not saying anything. But, you know, the whole thing is, like, that whole situation is weird. Like, what I will say is, like, when his brothers went on Good Morning America, that was strange. Their interview was a little weird. I don't know. And especially when you, I mean, I understand.

And tell why you thought it was weird. Well, I understand if your family and they come on and say, you don't think you have enemies, that's fine. But it was also just like, I don't know, the way they acted is kind of weird. The way they've acted through this whole thing has been strange. And even on Good Morning America, they said that they were receiving death threats at the time. but they didn't take it. On social media. Yeah, on social media, but they weren't taking it serious.

And like, oh gosh, maybe we should have took it more serious. Yeah, and were they really? Were they really receiving death threats? Well, I mean, I guess some people do. And they probably do. But I don't know. I mean, like I said, I'm not saying other people are involved in that. Well, I think other people are involved.

Well, I'm not, and I'm not even saying it's family. Not at that level. I'm just saying it, look, let me make it, let me make it very clear, I guess. in this way. You can't have one corrupt person to have a corrupt system. There's not just one. I mean, you know, if Alec is corrupt, which is looking more and more like he has been,

and this family's been involved in a lot of stuff, anything they got in, they got out of, but it can't just be one freaking person. You can't just have Alec corrupt. You have to have other people corrupt. You have to have, I mean, it could be, you know, okay, for example, if a law enforcement officer did, show up that was not really even supposed to be there or multiple officers that were higher

ups and so on and so forth. Talking about the boat crash you mean? The boat crash. Yeah. I mean, that's corruption in itself, especially if they insured and took care of him and made sure he didn't have this and this and this and this. That's on a lower level. That's law enforcement. But, you know, then you look at the court systems and everything, like judges, you know, I mean, and especially prosecutors and DAs and, you know, the solicitor and Southcon is basically a DA. Yeah. And they, in the, they're very close with judges and stuff. And that's another reason why, you know, this justice system is really not fair either. I mean, a lot of prosecutors are definitely a lot closer, uh, with judges than, uh, defense attorneys.

And it's because the prosecutors work for the state. The judges are also kind of part of that, too. I mean, you know, it's like they're part of the government. The DAs are kind of a part of the government, solicitors and stuff. They're part of the state, uh, you know, defense attorneys are not. Defense attorneys unless you're court appointed, which, you know, And now that you're saying that at first, when Paul and Maggie first got murdered, the solicitor down there, I think his name is Duffy. He recused himself. Yeah. No, at first he didn't.

He said, I'm going to take it. But then after all this, he did. Yeah, he stepped down. He stepped down and said that he's too close now. Yeah, he recused himself from all of it. So he wanted no part of it. And this was the DA that was going to take on the case, right? And so he's like, nope, ain't doing it.

Sorry, I'm out. And so, you know, you can take a lot from that. I don't know what you can take from that, but, you know, it's probably something that he don't want to get into. Well, he said that he went to various universities and asked him on an ethical level what he should do is what he said. This is what I'll tell you. No, no, no.

See, it wouldn't even, that wouldn't even matter. Because look, the reality is, is that if you, as this guy which knows his family, right, or whatever, I mean, it doesn't matter. You can know the family as a, you know, whatever. Right. But as soon as you start thinking that it is the family that you know, That is doing this.

Then you got to get the hell out of there. Yeah. Yeah, because the reason that he said, yes, I'm going to take this case in the beginning, was because everyone thought that he thought, and so there's a lot of people, except for law enforcement, I guess. A vendetta. No, no. Yeah, he thought it was someone else that was pissed at the Murdox and was going to kill him. And so then recently, you know, I'm sure he's got some info from law enforcement, right?

I mean, I'm sure, you know, a DA and stuff like it, they're going to talk with law enforcement and so on. and so forth. And so I'm sure that he's probably got some information that has said, okay, we've got to get out of this. Right. And not only to Maggie and Paul's murders, but, you know, Stephen Smith's murder has been open again too. And all that stuff, yeah. I mean, there's just crazy stuff. This is like.

So the narrative of that, yeah, is, yeah, it's, if he recuse himself, he probably, I think it's going more towards Alec being the prime suspect more than anybody. Right. And I think that there's two reasons for Stevens case. being reopened after their murders. One was to make sure that, you know, mom or Stevens family didn't come over and murder Paul because they thought he murdered their son. And number two, because there is some kind of evidence

or something that's tying the Murdoch. I mean, before this, when this happened in 2015, the rumor was the Murdoch boys had something to do with it. So, but why didn't they, but why didn't they keep the case open then? Why is it open now? Well, it's because, and what was the lead investigator's name? Was it Proctor?

Proctor. Todd Proctor. Todd Proctor. Yeah. So Todd Proctor over the Stephen Smith case. And guys, we have five other episodes of this or four other besides this one. Todd Proctor, the gentleman with the South Carolina Highway Patrol, that was the lead investigator over the Stephen Smith death and supposed hit and run. He didn't think, and he said it in a report.

He came out in public and said it that he did not think that Stephen Smith's death was. was a hit and run. He believed it was a murder, or he believed a, uh, basically a savage beating. He doesn't even really believe that he was killed there, I don't think,

or something. I can't remember exactly what he said. Well, the way that his body was placed, it was like, it was like he was placed. Yeah, he was placed there.

Yeah. And so, um, the weird thing about, if you want to hear about like, maybe influence on any of this stuff, he went down to, uh,

I think it was Charleston to talk with the, with the medical examiner. Is that where an M-U-S-E is? M-U-S-E? And I think she was at M-U-S-A. I'm not sure. Yeah, it was. So, yeah, he went down there to speak with the medical examiner, and this is the lead investigator.

And so he was just basically asking her, why did you classify this as a hit-and-run? Like, he filed his report. She classified it as hit-and-run. He never believed it was, and nor did anyone else there. And so she basically was extremely rude, a complete asshole, basically, to him. and, you know, for all intents and purposes,

she kind of kicked him out of, you know, and said, peace out, like, get out. And kind of the same thing happened to Stephen that supposedly happened to Alec. He supposedly ran out of gas and was in the middle of this secluded road. And had to walk to get gas. And was walking in the middle of night to get gas. And somehow he got hit and run. But what the police officer on the scene was saying, was it was definitely not a hit run.

And look, so the rumors have been with that situation is that, you know, obviously, okay, number one, Stephen Smith was a gay guy. And so he had connections with the Murdox from what everybody says, including his family. He had connections with him. There were rumors out there that this Stephen Smith could have had a relationship with one of the Murdox. We're not only saying the name, but that is the rumor. It wasn't Paul, but that we didn't know of anyway. and and then so from what we heard there were rumors getting out that that could have been happening

and when they didn't you know if you think about it like if you don't want that rumor to get out or whatever the case may be um you know someone might kill you and and the reality is is that uh you know and they can't afford that either i mean right especially someone you know a powerful family they're going to make sure you need but you know what this reminds me of and someone said it today. I don't know where it was. Oh, wait, who was it? God, I thought it was like someone, I don't, I don't know. I thought it was someone in person that said this to me, but maybe it wasn't. This reminds me of

Outer Banks, the show. So if you guys, any of you guys have watched Outer Banks, the show, about the very powerful family that, like, runs that thing. It sure does. You're right. They control law enforcement. They control this. They control everything. And they can get away with anything. watch Outer Banks. Like seriously, it really, really reminds me of this.

And that's supposed to be in Hiltonhead or Charleston? Well, it's supposed to be in North Carolina, obviously. North Carolina, Outer Banks. Oh, sorry. But it's really filmed in... Yeah, it's filmed in Charleston. Yeah. But yeah, so, yeah, I mean, just watch Outer Banks, man.

This whole situation is like an Outer Banks show. It really is. But it's nonfiction. Yeah, but here's the thing. We don't know what the outcomes is going to be. Now, could I be... Could everyone be that has any speculation? Could Alec, that Alec has something to do with it?

Could they all be wrong? Yes, they could. Alex still may not have, you know, the fact that Alec is misappropriating money and possibly embezzling, possibly even money laundering, who knows? Yeah, but that doesn't mean necessarily he's a murderer. And an opioid thing. No, it doesn't. And, you know, then you got to ask yourself, okay, well, if the knife was, is Alex and that slashed his tire Saturday that was supposedly when he was shot, you know, does, okay. So say, say that's true.

say that he did set this up. Well, then what do you say? Like, do you say, oh, well, he could also do that and also still not be the murder? I mean, maybe, but it just doesn't look good. I mean, that's like just in the public. As much as law enforcement is trying everything they can to keep this investigating quiet. Like, the Murdox can't. Like, they just can't.

They are proven their case themselves. Yeah, he's just flushing himself down the toilet. Or he's trying. Yeah. It's just terrible because I'm telling you. this is him that's doing this. I swear to God, Chad, before this Saturday, when the shooting happened to Alex, like, I was not convinced on who killed Maggie and Paul. I mean, I just was not convinced.

I couldn't say. I mean, I really couldn't say it. You know, a lot of people were pointing at the dad. A lot of people were pointing at hitman, blah, blah, blah, but I just didn't have like a. But it still could be. Regardless. I could. But it just changed.

It could be. But it's changed my mind a little bit. But I'm saying it could still be Hitman that. Alec hired. Possibly. It could be. I mean, look, he misappropriated a lot of money for some reason into something. And when you don't want someone knowing where money's going, you misappropriate it from somewhere else.

Exactly. And you might even money laundering. You know, it's kind of like two shows. It's like Ozarks and the Ozarks and Outer Banks. It's like Ozarks, their big money laundering thing. It kind of explains what they do and how they use that. And then Outer Bank's. Bank. So if you like mix those two shows together, if any of this happened, that would be like...

The Murdoch family. Yeah, it should be called the Ozark Outer Bank. Ozark Outer Bank LoCcountry. I'm not laughing as it's funny. I mean, it's a really sad, sad situation. It's just, it's mind-baffling, like, all the twists and the turns. And, you know, a lot of people try to make light of it and joke. And then other people get offensive. Like, you know, people are really murdered. Yeah, they really were murdered. And, you know, all these people that have been murdered, They do deserve justice, no matter what. You know, Mallory, Stephen, Maggie, Paul.

And even the maid, I mean, if that was something done. And look, the problem is, like, you know, the... And I think her name was Rose. I'm sure. I think it was Rose. I don't know. The bad part is that, you know, was this the perfect opportunity for someone in the family, possibly Alec, to kill and murder Maggie and Paul.

Because they, number one, listen, you know, we have a travel and tourism website in South Carolina, which we don't mix with this. We keep those separate. And it's one of the top in South Carolina, or is the top in South Carolina, actually. And, you know, we hear stuff. I mean, but we really, you know, travel and tourism wise, we don't typically hear. like the dirty stuff of like the you know the underbelly of south korelina and and all those things we don't hear that as much because of that but but at the same time we do also because we knew i knew

about this uh because we have family in hilton head before that yeah but i mean we have family we whatever um and so we knew kind of what was going on as soon as the boat crash happened right and as soon as, you know, we were getting, we were getting people telling us, hey, this is what's happening. This is, you know, this is what everyone's saying. And this was literally three years ago, or however long it's been, three and a half years ago. So I, you know, I knew about this story for a long time from the very beginning.

We knew about it from back then. And so it's one of those local stories. I mean, it's crazy because even back then it was. a big local story. It was a lot bigger than people thought. Right. And that does not happen around this area. No. It just doesn't happen. But people, but most people

in South Carolina didn't know about it. It was the people that were connected, people that knew people, people that kind of, you know, knew that area, especially. Like the low country, people were talking about it. As soon as it happened, people knew the family, people knew the prominence, people knew all that. And so it was

a story circulating through everyone talking, back then. That was three years ago. And so then when Paul and Maggie were murdered and then I heard about it, my first thought was, oh, okay. And it was crazy to me

because I was like, wow. I remember that night you told me about it. I was like, I didn't really care about it that much at first. I'm like, okay. But then when you started talking about it and then when it started like really hitting and then all of a sudden it went to national headlines,

I'm like, Chad, what is this? Yeah, well, I mean, the thing is, though, I guess my point to that is it's just like, I don't know. It's, this whole thing is, is it going to blow our minds the ending to this or is it not? Are we going to know the ending? Are we going to know what happened? Yeah, and that's a possibility too. We may never know, which would be insane if that happens. I think, I think if there's any possible ending to this that could be the worst outcome, it's not knowing anything.

Yeah. And not getting a suspect. They never make an arrest. And if that's the case, that really should make people really wonder. I mean, honestly. Yeah. If it turns out that. And oh, but here's another thing.

Think about it this way. Say it turns out that he gets arrested, charged, and imprisoned, right? For embezzling. Mm-hmm. And that's it. And the murders never are. No. No, he's gone.

He's in prison for, I don't know. know, whatever they work out, right? Two, three, four years. His family still has money. I'm sure they'll freaking figure out somewhere to put that. Well, I just wonder, where is all the... Okay, even though he embezzled money from the law firm, I know he has a lot of money, land, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Where does it go now? To Buster? Well, right now... It still stays with him because he's in rehab. And another thing I want to ask you is, if he's in rehab and they have enough evidence... And it doesn't go to Buster either way. I mean, you know, they're... The thing is, if he gets charged with embezzlement and how much ever money,

if they don't have the cash, then they will sell assets to pay back. Which will kind of be paying back his brother, too. That's weird. Yeah. And I want to ask you another question real quick check, as you probably know. If you are in rehab, can you still get arrested? Well, you can't, I mean, you won't be taking in jail. I don't believe.

Do they wait until you get out of rehab? I think so, yeah. But then you would be under. 24-hour supervision and you would probably be putting like a lockdown type situation. Listen, some people can, they will stay in rehab for over a year. But also the reality is, is what the question I would want to know is, is that, you know, if he was in rehab, he would be that, well, first of all, the rehab center would be locked down, like pretty tough. They would have security there. If, if he actually got shot by someone,

right, Saturday, right? Wherever he's at is going to be, highly secretive and it's going to be highly secured, period. Because if you think someone's trying to murder you, just like your wife and your son, you're going to be under intense security. Now, the other scenario is, which doesn't make a lot of sense, but what I did think about first, it doesn't make a lot of sense at first because I was like,

well, it did make sense of first, but what I'm saying is now it doesn't know that the knife was his knife, and that's what you used to slash his tires. But at first I was thinking, well, maybe they put him somewhere and said he was going to rehab because they were trying to hide him out until, you know, someone trying to kill him. Like a protection thing?

Yeah, but I doubt that. I don't think that's actually happening. But what I'm saying is, guys, I think, you know, my hope is that we never, my hope is that we don't get in a situation where we never know who the murders of Paul and Maggie were. We never know. And look, whatever Paul and,

I don't think Paul was a great person. I really don't. I think that Paul had a drinking problem before he was even 21. And I think he was probably a spoiled brat. Yeah, he probably was. But regardless, you know, we don't know. But he probably had a good personality at some time. I don't know.

But everyone still deserves justice. Right. And everyone deserves a chance. And in court of law. Stephen Smith deserves justice too. Yes. But that's what I'm saying. Oh, without a doubt.

And, but the problem. was is that what we would like to say was someone should not have killed him, you know, and we mourn his death because he should have been, he should have been able to stand up in trial and sit across from a jury of his peers for justice, right? But the problem is that most people believe that was never going to happen. Most people believed he would have been got off. He would have let off. Right. And so was there ever a justice to be had? I don't know. And that leads you to to people thinking there's never going to be justice so they could have murdered him.

Well, I mean, that's the perfect thing. Yeah, but that also... It's a perfect crime. But that also leaves the perfect opportunity for someone else. So there's no telling. But look, it is looking really bad for Alec right now. You know, this knife is, you know,

is connected to Alec. It's not just connected from the sources. They're saying it is Alex's knife. And if that's the case, man like I don't know and somebody gave them a tip about the knife yeah who knows that's that's weird I just think by giving a tip somebody's throwing him under the bus that knows him yeah I mean why would who else is going to know it was his knife well I what I will say is it'll be very interesting to see how deep this thing is but but let me but let me just be one to tell you this if you guys

have not learned anything from politics um and our media and the government and all that stuff, you know, I would say over the past eight to ten years, if there are more important people involved in this, okay, besides Alec, right? So if there are more important people involved in this than just Alec, and there are maybe even higher up people involved in this, who knows? Who knows how deep this goes?

Because when you get something on trial like this, right? And there are other people involved in certain things. It's going to start weeding out some craziness. You know, it's kind of like Trump used to say. Trump said, D.C., drain the swamp, right? I'm going to go to Washington, D.C. and drain the swamp. You saw what happened when he tried to do that? Yeah.

He got freaking annihilated because you don't mess with the swamp. Okay? I mean, that's the reality. Now, there are brave people that want to do that. But when you do, you typically find out the swamp is a lot bigger and a lot more powerful than you think. And that is the biggest problem. And we've dealt with a swamp on our level. Oh, yeah, we have, yeah.

Oh, absolutely. And trust me, it's there, guys. It's there in so many ways. And money talks. Exactly. So, you know, the swamp is alive and well. And a lot of times when you have a swamp critter in the swamp, in a powerful one, there's many more around them. So, you know, how deep will this go?

I don't know because look, you know, at the end of the day, you have SLED, which is a state law enforcement agency. I'm not saying deputies there are corrupt or whatever, but there are things that have to go through channels to get prosecuted and this and that and DA and judges and all this stuff has to say, yes, it's enough evidence to do this. Yes, we need to prosecute. Yes, we have this. There are decisions that are made, and those decisions can easily not be made, right? It depends on who you're with. it could say nope sorry I ain't doing it

but we don't know and so hopefully you know I think SLED has been pretty credible on most of their stuff but we just don't know

how deep this is and I'm not saying SLED I'm just saying in general we have no idea We don't know how deep the swamp is no we don't and typically you find out

look I think the problem is that this family if the rumors are true and if certain if certain people are, you know, if a lot of things that happen are true about this. There's a lot of stuff that the, there's a lot of things that they might have been involved in that lasted for a lot longer than it ever should have if there wasn't a lot of other bigger people involved.

Right. Right. So we don't know. We're going to find out, though, or maybe we're not. But I think that's all we have to say. Yeah. And I just hope the 911 call comes out soon. That's what I'm looking forward to.

hearing. And it will, but God, I don't even know. I want to know what this sounds like, though. But guys, you mentioned this earlier. Go listen to the 911 call of Alec Murdoch calling 911 when Paul and Maggie were murdered.

And Sherry, you said that, which you did make a good point, you can actually hear when it starts ringing and then it can, he's actually connected on the phone. So you're like 9-1-1 calls. Now, I didn't hear a girl.

I don't know what you're talking about. He was quiet and the dogs were barking. You didn't hear him like crying distraught. You hear the dogs barking in the background first at the very first of the call. Because he didn't realize it picked up. So because Chad was at first. He's like, well, it didn't, you know, they weren't connected. I'm like, yeah, they were.

No, they were connected. I didn't say that. Because the dogs are barking. No, I didn't say that. And then as soon as they pick up is when he starts like being distraught, which I'm not trying to criticize. I might have been the same way. No, but listen.

No, it's probably not. but listen if you look if I was there or anybody and I see my wife I'd be screaming I guess but you know people it would be hard to even call now one

yeah but what I'm saying is you made a very good point you pointed out something very good it was a fact that it rings and this is what 911 calls do it goes did did did it and it's a call and then it'll ring you'll actually hear a ring

and it'll pick up and nine one operator doesn't yeah the 911 operator doesn't immediately say something as soon as it picks up Right, they record. So as soon as it picks up, though, you hear Alec and his phone, right? You hear the dogs barking and you can't really even hear him, but you can't really even hear him. But you can hear dogs barking.

And then as soon as they say something, he starts crying. 9-1-1 dispatch, yeah. He starts crying. And there is other things that Chad has not heard, but other people that I know have heard it too. If you listen really close, it sounds like he may have been on the phone with another woman or a woman or something. It could have been, I don't know if he is a sister. or I don't know. But I think it could have been,

I think it could have been 911 background. No, but you could hear him because he was talking to 911 and he was talking to the other person, I think, on their phone, but it was a woman's voice and he says what to them. And then he misses the 911's question. So I think that maybe he had two phones. I have no idea. How else would he do that?

Well, he could have two phones. I don't know. I have no idea. I doubt he has a ground phone or a landline. No, I doubt it. Ground phone. A ground phone. Lay in line.

I don't know. It's just weird though. But I did. I heard it too. But guys, we're definitely going to, I mean, look, we're going to keep you guys updated on this. This is all crazy. Let us know what you think. Contact and investigate earthpodcast.com.

This story is just going to, I believe, get crazier as we, as it goes on. But we are going to return to regularly scheduled programming after this. We got a lot of stuff to talk about. There's so much craziness going on in the world. So if you find our podcast, based on this particular case. Definitely if you have any interest in all of the other crazy stuff going on the world, be sure to listen.

We talk about all that as well. But I think that will do it for us tonight. And I hope you guys have a great rest of the week. And as soon as we know something more, we will keep you updated. So that's it for us. Good night, guys. Good night. Good afternoon.

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