Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Murdaugh Murders Podcast - Part 3 - Bombshell News

Episode Date: June 24, 2021

On this episode of the Murdaugh Murders Podcast, we talk about some new bombshell news in the investigation of the Stephen Smith Death. What really happened the night of his death? We also discuss new information surrounding the murders of Paul and Maggie Murdaugh, this just keeps getting crazier.

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Welcome to Investigate Earth podcast I am your host, Chad, alongside, why do I sound echoy for some reason? I don't know, because you're an echoey person. No, that just sounds weird. Yeah. But alongside with you is your beautiful, fantastic, awesome, amazing wife, me, sherry. Hi, guys. How's everybody doing tonight on this beautiful Thursday evening?

I believe it is a fantastic. It's a fantastic, well, no, it's a fantastic 76 degrees outside of here in South Carolina. we are in South Carolina. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we are in the upstate of South Carolina, which, by the way, is where this whole case is taking place nationally on the news. It's just a murder all murder.

Well, it's not in the upstate. It's a low country. But it's the South Carolina is what I'm saying. Yeah. But yeah, in South Carolina, this is where one of the biggest mysteries of many cases that we've heard of in a long time are taking place. And it's something that I believe is going to go down in history, not just for South Carolina, but, you know, in reality, it's going to go down in history in the entire country

as far as criminal investigations slash murder mysteries. Oh, yeah. I think there's already like Netflix, like, things going on. Yeah, that they're going to do like series about this whole thing. Yeah. This is like a really prominent, like thrilling, fantastic. It's not fantastic, but fascinating, I guess. Fascinating.

Yeah, fascinating story. Yeah. But yeah, anyways, guys, before we get something, like, start as we always say definitely check at our website investigate earth podcast.com that is where you can find articles based on what we talk about now we have not got an article up on the murder all murders yet um yeah chat asked me to write it but i'm not good at writing no but we're we're gonna get the articles up and um and we're going to get all that up but we've been working so heavily on our merchandise and everything for all of our other podcasts by the way yeah we're doing a huge merchandise

store yeah we still loud yeah a little bit but it's all good um but yeah but yeah but yeah We are not going to do merchandise for anything, murder, mystery, true crime stuff. But for the people that have listened to us for a while, you know, we talk about a little bit of everything. And we've said this before in previous podcasts. We are, we talk about JFK murder. We talked about the Princess Diana murder. We've talked about UFOs and aliens. We've talked about the government.

We've talked about even Bigfoot or New World Order. We talk about everything, but literally everything. everything. Our name stands for investigate Earth. We investigate everything on Earth. Yeah, well, the most intriguing topics. And we want to find the truth. Yes, that's our thing.

Yes. But anyways, guys, so check out our website and make sure you go there. We will have those articles up by the end of this week as far as the Mirdall Murders and all of our, you know, anything we talk about as far as files, you know, things that we find and things that we're going to put somewhere or even. you know, case files or any of that stuff that we're going to discuss on this podcast. Make sure you go to the website and check it out on the article, which is going to come through very soon. But so let's get down to it. So this is our third episode of the Murdole murders. And our first and second episode are doing very well.

And we're glad that a lot of people listen to us and just kind of, you know, they want to hear. Hear our take. Sorry, babe. No, they just want to hear our take on the subject and everything else. But, you know, there's a, there's a quote by Tommy Crosby, which is with Sled. Tommy Crosby has been the main spokesperson throughout this investigation with the Murdaws. And Tommy Crosby says, this isn't a TV show. He said that, you know, people are making this out to be like a TV show.

Well, the reality is, though, is that this is going to be a TV show. This whole entire situation, like if you, if you, you could, if you could come up with a, a crazier storyline than what is actually going on right now with this entire investigation, the entire circumstances surrounding everything, the family, their ties to possibly other things in all this, it's insane. And so, whereas I do understand that a spokesperson for South Carolina Law Enforcement Division would say, oh, well, this is, this is not a TV show. Well, no, it's not. But the reality is that

it's going to be. And it's going to be for a very good reason. You don't put things, you don't put cases like this on a Netflix or a whatever platform you're going to put it on. Amazon or anything. Unless it's insanely intriguing

and very mysterious and probably something that we aren't ever going to know the full truth behind a lot of the things that's coming out. Maybe not. Maybe we will. We don't know. Yeah. But it's just like gut-wrenching, I guess. Just I want, the more I've like researched and the more I've gotten involved with these groups on Facebook and reading and listening and, you know, reading articles and watching YouTube videos, the more I just want to find answers.

Well, I think everybody does. Yeah, and I think everybody wants to find the answer and there is no logical answer. And that's why this is so intriguing and so many people, I mean, it's made national news. Yeah. You know? So, and we're going to actually, we're definitely going to talk about the Facebook side of things and kind of how social media is playing somewhat of a part in this, this entire investigation. But one article said that the police, which we all know this, but the police have made no

arrest and have not identified a suspect or motive. But, you know, all these killings have speculated about whether the family's long entangled history in the region could have a connection to the crime. The case has also put renewed attention on two previous deaths over the past six years, which investigators are reviewing to determine if they are connected with a double homicide. So, you know, one of the deaths we're speaking of is Stephen Smith. And we talked about this in the last podcast, but Stephen Smith was a guy and acquaintance of the Murdof family, according to news articles and reports.

and in his death just so happened to, I believe, I don't know if they ever actually ruled it a... No, at first they ever rule it a hit and run? No, it was changed in the reports. At first, it was ruled as it looked like a homicide, and the people investigating on scene thought it was a homicide, the way the body was placed where everything was happening. But, oh, I did it again.

Sorry, no, you're good. Homicide. I think, by the way, way we're pronouncing the Mirdall name wrong. Yeah, and I say homicide instead of homicide, whatever. But anyways, initial reports came out and said that it looked more like a homicide, but the final reports came out and said it was a hit and run. And they thought it was a truck mirror that caused the big gap in his forehead.

Yeah, so Paul Mirdall, you know, he was a 22-year-old college student. He had been out on bail after being charged in 2019 with drunkenly crashing a boat into the into the pile on, or the pile that killed Mallory Beach. And the state agency that is investigating the Murdoch kill and said that this week that the police had learned something

that they won't say what that prompted them to open a new inquiry into yet another case, which is the 2015 death of Stephen Smith. He was found along a road 10 miles from the Murdoch home, Murdoch home,

and his death was never fully explained. So, you see, he was only 10 miles from where the Murdoch home was. And so it was heavy speculation on what really happened, what was going on with it. But the investigation into the more recent deaths of Paul Murdole, and by the way, he was a junior at the University of South Carolina, which I really have never said that on the podcast. But yeah, he was a junior university. Yeah, because his apartment was searched. Yeah, well, it's the third week into the investigation.

And they are pleading for patients as a. they interview people with connections to the family, which is a very lengthy list. So Tommy Crosby actually said, this isn't a TV show. The state agency that is leading inquiry says things aren't soft in 51 minutes minus commercials. They do take time. And so whereas we do understand that. That's not what 48 hours says. You don't.

48 hours, you have less of a chance to finding the murder. I'm just saying. Well, I mean, yeah, the 48 hours show is actually true. Yeah. If you don't find a murderer within 48 hours, your chances of solving the murder like decreases by half. And that's no lying. Well, so something that was very interesting. So now we have these reports that this trooper is coming out.

And this trooper came out on Fox News and he had mentioned he. And he's the investigating trooper in the 2015 crash. Yeah, it was. Or not the crash of Stephen Smith. death. Yes, death. But anyways, his name is Todd Proctor, I believe, and he was the lead investigator on the case that night that Stephen Smith died. But I do want to read you, and for those of you that, you know, have not read it or maybe read excerpts from it,

this was his actual report on July 22nd, 2015, is this is a file that I will put on the website when the articles are out. It's from the South Carolina Highway Patrol. It's a multi-disciplinary accident investigation team. And so I want to read his report and kind of what he said, I guess it was after the fact. And this is from Todd Proctor's standpoint. So everything I read is from it. He's the lead investigator.

He said, I went down to MUSC on this date to meet with Dr. Aaron Presnell. She is the pathologist. So wait, this is after the fact. Yeah, this is after they ruled it. Okay, first they ruled it kind of home. Then they went and ruled it as a hit and run. So he was trying to follow up to figure out why they ruled it as a hit and run because he didn't see it that way. He felt like it was staged.

All right. So she's a pathologist that performed the autopsy on the victim in the case being Stephen Smith. He said the reason I went and spoke with her was due to a preliminary report where she stated that the victim was possibly struck by a motor vehicle mirror, which was the cause of death. Sergeant Moore had already had, from my understanding, a heated conversation with her about this issue. The M-A-I-T team, which is the team from the South Carolina Highway Patrol that makes up the multidisciplinary accident investigation team, has always had a good work in relationship with the MUSC. So I wanted to see if I could go down there and get some sort of clarification. As soon as Dr. Presnell came into the room, she began a negative tone stating that I did not have a meeting schedule.

and that she was very busy. She stated that she could not even begin speaking on me about this case without the coroner's consent. I advised her that I had spoken with the coroner Washington the day before, and she basically called me a liar and said she would call him right then. When I asked if she wanted me to call from my cell phone, she backed off. I asked her why she stated, what is that sound? That is your phone. When I asked her if she wanted me to call for myself on, she backed off.

I asked her why she stated that in the report and her, answer was because he was found in the road. That is why she stated that he was struck by a motor vehicle because he was found a road. She had no evidence other than that for the statement being put into the report. She asked, so she basically said, he said, why are you saying that? Because he was in a road. That's, that was her evidence because he was in the road. So she asked why we did not think it was a vehicle or she asked why we did not think it was a vehicle strike. And I explained to her that we had no evidence of this individual being struck by. vehicle whatsoever. I asked her if someone with a baseball bat could do that and she stated no.

When I probed further saying, what about someone in a moving car with a bat and she stated, well, I guess it's possible. She then asked if we found a bat as evidence. I could see that this conversation was not going to yield any positive results. As I was leaving, she stated that report was preliminary and it was my job to figure out what it was that struck him, not hers. I spoke with the corner Washington today in reference to the final autopsy report. And this is on 818, 2015. This first one was 722. So Proctor spoke with Corner Washington today in reference to the final autopsy report issued from MUSC.

He faxed me a copy of the report and told me that he does not agree with the pathologist stating that the victim was struck by a motor vehicle. We discussed the fact that the report states the cause of death as a blunt head trauma, motor vehicle crashed, pedestrian versus vehicle. Then the manner of death was undetermined. I would think that the blunt force head trauma would be the cause of death and the motor vehicle crash would be the manner of trauma was delivered to the cause of death. The pathologist also states in a report that in light of the historical information, along with the autopsy, the conclusion which were made.

To what historical information she possessed, I am unaware. I attempted to speak with Dr. Presnell at an earlier date to go over information that had been discovered throughout the investigation, and this was ill. received. The corner did not did tell me that the deputy corner that had gone down to M-U-S-C the morning of the autopsy and spoke with the pathologist. She has since been fired from his office. I spoke with that deputy corner, Green, and Agent Burke was sled, as both of them were present at the time of the autopsy. Both stated they made no reference to the pathologist about the victim being struck by a vehicle, only that he was found in the road.

The corner stated that he has made contact with the pathologist, Dr. Presnell, and she stated that she'd be willing to change her report to read however he wanted it. However he wanted it. Yeah, but you got to remember, though. But it just sounds to me like she... She was doing what she was supposed to do for what they wanted her to do. Well, she has... To me, just wait, look, I don't know.

I'm not going to say for sure, but listen... At the scene, they said they saw no glass. There was no... Signs of a motor vehicle crash. his clothes weren't ripped, they weren't torn. You know, usually if a pedestrian is, like, hit by a car, they're going to roll over many times. Their clothes are going to get stuff on them.

They're going to get ripped. Things are going to happen to that person if they're hit by a car. They're not just going to be hit and lay dead. That doesn't happen. Yeah, I mean, and honestly, even if you hit someone with a side mirror or something, the chances of killing them, yeah, you could kill them, but it's not going to be to the head. But you've got to think about this.

If you hit with a side mirror, the chance of it hitting a head, is probably, I don't know, it's doubtful. And I'm not saying, I know this for sure, but, but I'm just saying a mirror. I mean, that was literally, but my whole point was, Dr. This Dr. Presnell or whoever she was, the pathologist, just sounds like she had ulterior motive from the very beginning. And they said that they x-rayed and there was no results of a bullet, but the highway trooper said it looked like a bullet wound on the right side of his forehead. It was an open, like, gash.

Or a bat. but there was no fragments of a bat either. No. So, you know, we got to go both ways. There was no fragments of a wooden bat, but a metal bat, I don't guess, would have fragments, right? No. But definitely, if you're struck by a glass mirror, there's going to be glass fragments in your head. There's going to be glass fragments around where the accident happened.

There was nothing like that. So that's why I feel like it's so fishy. And I think this tie guy, I think he's a really brave guy. He's finally, you know, I think he followed up with it and nobody would listen to him. And I really think that he didn't believe it was a hit and run back then and he doesn't think it now. Yeah. And, you know, one of the things he told Fox News, and just like we're reading in the report, there was zero evidence that pointed towards this being a hit and run or a vehicle even being involved in it.

And that's the big thing. work for the, and by the way, Proctor worked for the Highway Patrol for more than 15 years. And he always felt that a case looked more like a murder than a hit and run death and added that nothing about this case from the very beginning pointed towards any possibility of a hit and run. He said, any investigator, you'd go off of the evidence. There was zero evidence that pointed towards this being a hit and run or a vehicle even being involved in it. It looked like it was more staged, like possibly the body had been placed in the roadway. He said we had no evidence to show that there was any movement of the body. You know, as far as that. Instead, it looked like it was placed there, meaning someone took him out of a vehicle and put him in the roadway, meaning they had no evidence that he was drugged there, you know,

because like, for example, I don't, was it a dirt road or? No, it's like a road. I'm not sure about that. But it's like a highway road that's like out of, in the middle of nowhere and people go and come from colleges on this road. Yeah, and it says that Stephen Smith's wallet and keys were. hanging halfway out of his pocket. And he said it just didn't fit the description that the person was hit by a vehicle.

And Stephen Smith's mother told multiple news outlets for the past six years that she thought her son was beaten to death and not hit by a vehicle. Because of his sexuality. I don't know. That's what she claims. Yeah, but she has long said that she thought someone in the area covered up the crime. The coroner's report said that Stephen Smith was more likely hit in the head by the mirror of a passing semi-trial. truck in July of 2015. But how many semi-trucks do you go seeing on roads like this?

Yeah, I don't know. Maybe there are, but I doubt it. Yeah, and the thing about this is there was no broken glass or plastic shards from a mirror on the road. There would be something in his head, like a little piece of glass or something. If, and they saw nothing. Yeah, and they also went to say that the way his body was laying in the road with his arms dislocated and bent back behind his body. One arm, his right arm.

Yeah, she said. And he also had defense. She just don't believe that he was struck. On his right hand. Yeah, she just don't believe he was struck by the mirror of any vehicle. And, you know, and the thing is, it's like, we have a saying on this podcast is like follow the truth or find the truth or truth finder or whatever the case is. And the number one thing that we've always done on this podcast is we evaluate every situation based on the circumstances, evidence, and everything else. Yeah, we want the truth.

A lot of times, I know it sounds crazy to a lot of people, but, you know, and we're hoping to also have a investigator on the podcast soon to kind of discuss everything that we're talking about and you know and everything that that has happened so far or at least procedures on stuff like this but the thing is is that there's there's just not usually it's the path of least resistance in a lot of cases is usually the result meaning you know if if you go looking for the truth in something, what people do to try to lie or try to hide truth is they complicate things. They try to overcomplicate situations. I know the media does it on very many occasions, no matter what you believe, there's an agenda in the media. And there's definitely been with politics

and all this stuff. And so, you know, if something happens on this side and someone says, okay, well, this is pretty obvious that this is happening, the media will be like, oh, no, no, it's not happening. what's happening and you're going to believe it because we said so. But usually it's the most common logic thing that you think about is usually the right thing. Now, I do also want to say multiple news reports and I have to say this before you say something.

That's fine. Because I'll forget. But multiple news outlets also said that it was reported that the Murdahls during the time of this death, Stephen Smith's death, were interviewed and they were actually a suspect and they were actually named on the case file for the death like multiple times.

Right. 42 times in the report. And they were, they were 100% uncooperative with the investigation. That was said in the reports. Yes. And they were named 42 times. 42 times. Yeah, something like that. And I've also like, and I don't know if I, you know, I'm scared to say it's something or not something, but there's also been things like arising that there were other people with the said suspect. Like Murdoch was was said in the report 42 times. but there was also other suspects that have been their names are being turned up now. Yeah. After six years. And I guess I'm not going to like name drop any names or anything, but there is other suspects out there that they think that was in the car with him when he was allegedly murdered and not hit and run. Yeah.

And this all stems from again, I don't even know, like I'm scared to say anything. Just say it. Just go. Well, I'm just saying rumors say that Stephen Smith, his. sexuality was he was gay. I also read that he was in a relationship with another person at the time, but I also read that he was in a relationship with Buster Murdoch and that they were supposed to go deep sea fishing in July. Which, by the way, we have no confirmation of that. Yeah, this is rumors. These are rumors. I don't know. This is nothing we know for sure. But it's just rumors that I read and reports. The Islander packet, the Fit News, all those, you know, news.

things have reported this. And by the way, a lot of, a lot of that could be complete BS. We don't know. We don't know. But in a lot of things say our sources say. So who's your source? I don't know. And the reality is, is that, you know, guys, look, I'll be honest with you. One of the reasons that, you know, when you talk about subjects like this, you know, you have to be careful with how you say things and what you say and so on and so forth. Because, you know, the reality is, is that I think one thing that's pretty obvious is that this family over the course of many years has been very powerful you know and and it's one thing to be powerful in new york city right and that's that's one thing you're powerful in new york city you're you're powerful in a big city or whatever the case is but when you

have a powerful family that is in some way connected to four or five counties and especially in small counties there are low country counties a lot of these people don't have a ton of money you know you've got, like you said the other day and you made a great point of this, you got, you know, probably 70% of these counties that are poor. And then you've got this, this, the rest of the percentage that's, you know, could be rich or you're rich or poor.

And they were very prominent in the counties. Because it's tough to be, it's really, like, that's one of the hardest things. Like, it's, okay, you're either poor or you're rich. Because to be, you know, kind of in the, in the medium, you know, earnings gap in these places. is tough, especially the closer you get to the beach.

I mean, look at Hilton Head. Look at the real estate market now. It's like, it's insane. And so real estate now is even crazier. But, you know, there's something to be said when you're that powerful in these places, it's even magnified how powerful you are. Exactly. And if you don't have money to try to fight powers like that, you just don't fight it.

And that's what, you know, a lot of these people in this community believe is that they were so powerful that they had no way of full. fighting anything. Yeah, no recourse. And just like Sandy Smith. I mean, it took six years for her son's case to be reopened just to make sure that she's not a murder suspect in the double homicide. Yeah. Well, okay. So, and, you know, because they want her, they want her DNA, basically. Yeah, we're going to get off the Stephen Smith thing in just a minute. But I do want to, I do want to say, though, it's just, you know, one of the, one of the biggest telling things to me is, now look, we've been on Facebook groups. We've read things.

You know, we we've read a lot of things. We, you know, and this is typical for for groups like this. And I'm not saying it's bad or good on either side. You know, you're going to have two factions of people that fight for one side of the other. Right. We've experienced it. We've held and

we've had groups of big murder cases that have, you know, thousands and thousands of people in them that we've had to moderate and do all this. And we didn't do it for, we didn't do it for any monetary reason or anything. It's because we're interested in the case and it was in our you know town yeah we yeah we were doing it for you know just interest purposes and trying to find out more information but you know but at the same time

people get heated yeah you have two completely different sides and and you know whereas yes you know the murdall family is going through extremely extremely tough time yeah they just lost their son and the mom i mean that's like really hard stuff to like you know they were murdered. Yeah. And no matter what, and no matter what, you know, the way the justice system should work is that, you know, everybody's held accountable for their actions, you know, and that goes for everybody across the board. There's one thing that has happened so much in the past, you know, five, six years. Everything seven, eight years, probably, maybe ten years. But in the past ten years, everything has been so political. And it doesn't just go from Biden or Trump. And it doesn't just go from Biden or

Trump. It doesn't just go from whoever to whoever. Everything is so political on such a massive scale, even on the lower side of things. The county solicitors, the judges, the this, the that. We've experienced it before. We've experienced it in another state based in a lawsuit that was a complete

sham BS. But we knew then how corrupt the system is. And it is extremely corrupt. And that's the thing that I always say, and this is important to this, because one the things I always say is like no matter what your political affiliation is whether you're a

Trump supporter you liked him you were voted for him whether you're a Biden supporter whether you're Obama whether who you whoever you are you know the problem is that the rather if you're a rich family or a poor family or if you're in the solicitor office well it doesn't really matter no if you're in the slitters office it does matter but what I'm saying is is that you know it matters because it's not just about just towards black people it's not just about just towards poor or whatever it's about the fact that the justice system can easily be manipulated on whatever course they want to go. Whatever the agenda is or whatever, wherever the money is, wherever the influence is or the politics, it is manipulated.

I know that for a fact. I think it's far beyond just the, you know, solicitor's office. I think there's a lot of stuff going on. But in that fact, I just want to say that, you know, I pray for the Murdoch family. I pray for Mallory's family. I pray for Stevens family. I want everyone to have justice because no one deserves to die no matter what. Like justice needs to be served in the justice system.

And obviously this was not happening or people thought it wasn't happening. I don't know. But all I know is I feel for all of the families. Like I really do. Well, and here's any. I really do. I mean, I feel for the mom. Well, of course we feel for all.

Yeah. I mean, it's just awful to hear how they were murder. or down. Like, I can imagine. But at the same time, you know, look, regardless, we want truth. Yeah, we do. But I'm just saying I pray for all the families. Of course we pray for all the families. But we also want truth. And that's what I think, you know, it seems to be that's what's been missing in this entire thing for a long time. Well, no one's willing to talk. No one's willing to come out because I think there's a lot of

fear in this community. I think people know way more than what they're willing to say. like on record. They do. Well, there's been multiple news agencies, by the way, Fox News, big news agencies. We ourselves have even reached out to people. There's so many locals or people that know particular people in this, that's involved in this situation,

that absolutely 100% will not come on either a podcast, a news agency, a news station, have any quote in any kind of news because they're fearful. A lot of them won't say that they are fearful. Some of them will. Some of them say, ain't no way in hell. comment on that. We have heard this personally. Yeah. And, you know,

and, and, and, and these are people that we talk to that are in the area. And they're like, no way. Right. I'm not common on that. Are you crazy? So I just, yeah, I agree. But, but my point is, is that, you know, it's, it's a hush, hush thing. And, and

I think that it's, it's, um, I think it's not, I think there's rumors going around the community about no one's willing to go on record with the rumors. Are the things they know are here. Well, they're afraid to go on the road. Yeah. I mean.

And I probably would be too. Yeah. I mean, they don't want to be the next ones to possibly end up dead in this crazy situation or, you know, they don't want to get sued or be put in court or go to jail. There was a murder case back when I was in high school and I was at a high school and my friend got murdered and his body was placed at a middle school. And I had heard like hearsay about who killed him or whatever. And I told my mom and my mom happened.

to be selling real estate to the, I guess the DA or whatever. Yeah. So, of course, she contacts him. And then she's like, put me, you know, out there to tell. And I was like, oh, my God, I cannot believe my mom did that because I didn't want my name out there. Like, it was scary to even be in that circumstance. So I completely understand where these people, you know, are afraid to come, you know,

no one wants to come forward with things they know when it deals with things like this, because you're going to get like backlash from somebody. I guess. Well, and here's my thing too is like what I, one of the things I questioned too heavily is a high profile case such as this. You know, I know that there's been offices, legal offices that have failed or refused to recuse themselves from certain investigations by saying that their offices should be, there's no way. Like, I can't believe someone would ever say.

because we have connections of this and this and this that we're going to recuse ourselves. No, we have higher standards than that. Well, who are you talking about? I'm not going to say who I'm talking about. They can look it up. But anyways, but there are offices that say this in South Carolina. And they say they refuse to recuse or, you know,

that the reason they haven't withdrawn from a certain case. Well, I'm saying that they withdrew from the first case because they had actual employees that were related to family members. There is one particular office that refuses to withdraw from anything. But in this case, they have no family members in that, is their reasoning, I guess. Well, whatever, but they still have connections. Well, they're still allies with them. Murdoch family.

Well, we don't know. I mean, but my point is that I am surprised that we have not yet. Somebody, some agency in South Carolina has not called in the FBI. Yeah, exactly. I understand that, you know, you guys think that, well, this is not a federal crime. Well, here's the thing. if in fact Stephen Smith's death was possibly a hate crime. That's a federal crime.

Crime. Yeah. Yeah. It's, yeah. It's federal. Sorry. No,

but yeah, it is a federal crime technically if it's a hate crime. And, and, you know, do they always call an FBI for those? Not necessarily, but it is a federal offense technically.

You can be charged on a federal level for hate crimes. But even still, like such a high profile case like this. Like, and especially from the, you have so much national media coverage on you just from every agency. I mean, the local agencies, the state agencies, why are you not calling the FBI? Literally, I wanted to call the FBI, you know, like whatever the regional, the field office was, and be like, hey, just curious.

Like, would this not be a typical, they probably wouldn't ever answer my question or also called the state agency. But why would you not call the FBI here? Like, why would you not use the federal resources? knows, like everybody's like... So connected in this whole thing. Yeah, connected. Like, why would you not want outside forces to, like, conduct a real investigation about everything that's going on? Yeah, at least to have a third party. Yeah. A major third party.

If it was me, I would want the FBI there. Yeah. But I'm just... And I think they should be there. I really do. Well, the question is, is that, you know, well, the good reason why you wouldn't have FBI there is because you don't, you no longer have the control. I mean, this is just speculation, by the way. This is just a speculative thing.

But, you know, if you don't have a federal agency in, which is kind of a third-party outlier, non-biased agency, you know, things can get complicated. And especially depending on how deep this stuff goes. Yeah. And if it's deep that there's... Yeah. And let's just pretend there were cover-ups.

Well, no wonder you don't want the FBI coming in, I guess. If there were things that were... covered up like people say, then, you know, I understand why they're not calling the FBI in. They don't want to, you know, be busted for covering things. And, you know, that's what a lot of people are saying is that things are constantly covered up. And, you know, it's like a, you know, once you tell one lie, you've got to tell three lies that cover it up, you know. Well, and the thing is, like, you know, the South is, and it's not just the South. I mean, there's states across the country that are less than populated, I guess you can say. And a lot of those states, you know, they do have their

good old voice system, you know, is who has the power, who has the money, and who do we know and who do we like, and who do we care about, and, you know, who benefits us by being in a relationship with them and vice versa. The government does the same shit. I mean, look, there's reasons why the government has relationships. I mean, think about it, the Iran nuclear deal. We send, we send them millions of dollars for some BS nuclear deal, and they're a business. biggest state sponsor of terrorism. Yeah. It's because there's something we're getting in return for this.

Exactly. And so what I'm saying is there are all those connections. And it don't just go from the federal government level. It goes at the very smallest level. And not just families or names or any of this stuff, but agencies, departments, and governments are going to do anything and everything to make sure stuff like whatever their involvement could have been is never going to come out. And so when we question, well, and I'm not saying this the case.

I'm just speculating, you know, would I call the FBI if, you know, if I knew that some craziness could come out to make everybody look really bad or at least a lot of people that we care about look really bad? Well, obviously the nation is hearing like what the community is saying and they feel like their higher ups are covering up everything. That's what the community is saying. That's what we hear all over the place. Yeah. So if you had that and you are law enforcement, and to be like fair to everybody, I'd be like, listen, I put my hands up. I can't do that. And I think some of them have done that.

What was it called? Recuse themselves. Yeah, they recuse themselves from the, they're like, we can't do that. We're too close to the. Although, by the way, the agency, I believe, that recused themselves from the investigation now didn't recuse herself from the investigation when the bodaks happened. So that's kind of interesting. I think it just got a little too deep and they're like, yeah, we better get out of this now. We're going to get out of there.

Yeah. You know, and we don't know. I mean, I don't know anything. I'm not accusing anything. Well, the big question is, well, the big question is we got to know who all should recused herself from the investigation. Like, we don't even know who should technically recused herself from the investigation at this point. That's the only reason. And I'm not calling out anybody.

I'm just saying that's the only reason that transparency and at least a little community faith in law enforcement could come a little. further just by inviting a federal agency. Yeah, I agree. And to say, look, we're not going to be in this. Because these are lives lost. Yeah. And there's so many speculation, not speculations, but. Well, to them to open a cold case from six years ago, about that ago.

A goal. A goal. A goal. A goal. I'm like Canadian. Or a go. But a go. And for them to reopen this investigation, I'm not sure that they reopened it just to get DNA from the mom.

or they reopened it because they found new information. Well, obviously, I don't think the mom was out there with two guns. No, I don't think so either. But, I mean, that's pretty much what they did. Everybody's a suspect. And the crazy thing is, to me, is like, well, this kid was killed, right? Or dead or however he died, you know, a lot of the reports look more towards a murder than a hit and run.

And, you know, there wasn't this national media. coverage over that. There wasn't nothing over that. Actually, this kid, this poor kid, his death was left in vain for six years until someone important died that they may have had something to do with their murders. Yeah, and that's

like that's a mess. That is a travesty. That should not happen, I don't think. I think everyone that is murdered or hurt or, you know, it should be investigated to the fullest. Yeah. So by the way, so we talked about bombshell news and I think this is and I'll tell you why so we got new information now that you know the the murder investigation in Paul Maggie Murdoch at their hunting ranch or hunting property that Maggie Maggie's cell phone was found on the road not even on the property a day later yeah and somebody in the family pinged it but we don't know who that is was it a family or was it was a family member I thought it was law enforcement that was a family member that pinged it

Okay. A family member found her phone on the, you know, and there's speculations about why. Well, maybe, you know, she was trying to. That's what we're going to talk about. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe she was what? Maybe she was trying to call somebody for help and they took her phone or maybe they took

her phone to erase messages. I mean, I don't know. Well, they wouldn't have left. But somebody had her phone and it was the murderer that had her phone, obviously, and unless she was like. Well, not necessarily. Unless she was on the side of the road when this was happening. Well, so what I would say is that there's only kind of two points of this, possibly, in my opinion, I don't know.

But no, there's a lot of points. Well, there is, but was there a struggle wherever the phone was found? Yeah, and that could have been like the place where they got her and took her back. Yeah. And keep in mind, you know, Trey Gowdy's Sunday Night in America on Fox News, they did report that is a rumor and a possibility they were bound, which means. that took some time that took some time to actually tie them up do this probably things were even this critical K girl said that she had sources

that said that they were bound I don't know we can't mention her I don't know how her sources are but that's what her sources said yeah we can't mention her so but Trey is a pretty reliable source I don't know where he got his information but they said they were both bound which means the murders are personal personal personal

well yeah but listen regardless Even if they were personal or not, who knows. But the point is that the cell phone was found on a road and, you know, near the house. And so that's either a struggle ensued or for whatever reason, whoever murdered this person had the phone. And then throw it out on the road as they were leaving or what? Which doesn't make any sense. Like because... Because their DNA is going to be on the phone.

Not necessarily. I mean, it could be, but not necessarily. Unless they're wearing like gloves or something. But even hair and all that. I mean, you got to be really careful about that. And that's what doesn't make sense. Like, we're going to find out, and I keep saying this. We're going to find out if this is a professional hit or if it's a personal murder.

Well, a personal murder that someone just was pissed. They were sick of it. And maybe this, maybe this personal or personal murder person, someone that knew them firsthand, whatever the case is. Maybe they made a mistake. Well, no, but maybe they thought it out. Maybe they heavily thought this thing out. But I've also heard rumors that one of the guns, not only the casings of the guns, but one of the guns were left on the property.

And if that were the case, I would have to say it was a shotgun because I believe the shotgun, this is just my opinion. I think the shotgun was theirs. Because if you think about, you know, you're on a hunting property. Yeah, by the way, Nancy Gray says that there's got to be two shooters. I don't necessarily believe that. I don't know either, but I would think it was at least two. I don't necessarily believe that. Unless they wanted to make it look like it was too.

Maybe they had a person that had an A, what is it, AR-15? And took his shotgun, shot him, and then shot mom with an AR-15. I don't know. But if they were bound, they could do whatever. Yeah. They could make it appear however they wanted to. Or maybe they didn't. I don't know.

But regardless, if it was someone pissed off at this family. I think it was somebody pissed off. Well, then they should be, they will probably be caught. And it shouldn't even probably take that long, especially how heavily this case is nationalized and all this. And there's going to be, I mean, we're talking about it. We don't even do true crime podcast. No, we never do these. We do a couple things, but this is our state.

This is, we do have one of the, well, the top travel website in South Carolina. So we care, which we would never talk about this on our travel website, but that's the SC Travel Guide, by the way. But when somebody, like, murder somebody to the point where they shot him in the chest in the neck area that they almost decapitate his head, I think that's a personal murder to me. But why are you saying that? Or did you see that? Oh, I read that in the reports. And like tons of reports. It was like, um, because I mean, there hasn't been a law enforcement report come out.

I think it was the fit news. Yeah, the fit news thing and the New York Times, I think. But where did they get that information? I don't know. But they said that. the bodies were almost like defigured and his body was almost like his head was almost decapitated the way he was shot with a shotgun and mom was shot shot in the face with the AR what is it AR 15 or whatever and that her face was not even recognizable is what I read you know

I'm not making this up I read these reports um so I don't know I mean the the cell phone thing passion that's like a passion something but unless it i don't know i don't know it's just so like i just want to know the answers yeah i mean look and to go back to the facebook thing and a social media thing i will talk about this briefly but i mean there's a lot of people on social media that talk a lot on both sides and um and you know you and this is by the way as as long as we've kind of done the uh and and you know i'm not you know obviously i'm not you know i've been in the law enforcement area and we've

Sherry is a freaking master detective on whatever you want to, whatever you want to call it. But, uh, um, and that's all I go there. But, you know, as long as we've kind of known or worked around or been

around or whatever murder type situations, right? Right. Um, it's just, it's, it's strange. There's always been two sides and they're always will be. There's always going to be a side for someone. and against.

Exactly. There's going to be victim shaming on both sides. Yeah. And I think, you know, one of the things I don't want to do on here is we don't want to put anybody under the bus. So, you know, is the Murdoch family, are they as bad as what the media is portraying them? I don't know. I don't know. You know, based on reports and things like that, you know, for example, Paul, the night that.

Yeah, I don't think it's the deposition. family. I think that Paul has been in a lot of trouble with his, you know, life up to this point. Well, yeah, but I'm saying, like, you know, based on the depositions, all the friends talked about the night of the boat. Yeah. Talking about him being Timmy or whatever. But even before that, he was already, like, arrested for having a DUI. And at that hearing, to me, I think all of this would not have happened if he had a, the bracelet thing that they were talking about. Or whatever, just something. if he wouldn't have been let off. And what I'm just saying is like in the court that day, I watched the day of this was before any of this happened.

He got arrested for drinking underage or whatever. And most kids, his age, would have some kind of like bracelet that takes your, it's like a breathalyzer. Yeah, a breathalyzer thing or whatever. But they didn't do that for him. But I feel like if he had that on his wrist, well, who knows? Maybe that wouldn't have happened. I don't know. But look, here's the problem.

I think it was just so many things that, you know, I'm just strictly saying based on the depositions of what happened that night. Oh, yeah. It kind of, you know, yes, he was apparently according to them, he was highly intoxicated. They all were, though. Yeah, they all were. Yes, you're right. And so were those things true?

I don't know. That case never went to trial. I did like what that case, the case of Mallory Beach's death and everything else, never went to trial. So we're never going to know, we're not, even though all we really have is the depositions

of the kids that were there that night, but we're never going to truly know. I've only read two of them. Yeah, and I think the only problem, or the biggest problem is, is that even if we would have had a trial, would we ever know anything? Probably not.

You know, I don't know for a fact that Paul was in college for law school. I would assume he was, but I have no idea. I mean, his whole family, kind of does that, you know, his brother and all of them. But, you know, it just, it seems like, it just seems like when you have so much power and you just, you feel like you're invincible. And actually, there was part of the deposition that some of the, some of the people on the boat that night said

that Paul was one of those people that felt invincible. Like he, he was not going to die. He wasn't going to, nothing could happen to him. Nothing. And, and I think the problem with that scenario is if that's true is eventually that could catch up with you. And then I've even seen reports like, I think it was Nancy Graceland. Well, what if it's not even the people that was coming after Paul? It was coming after his mom. Yeah. I doubt that.

I doubt that. Well, I don't know. I mean, I'm not going to rule that out. I'm not rolling anything out. Yeah, I'm not running out. We don't know. I doubt that. I don't know.

Based on the facts and whatever's been shown to us, it looks like somebody was after Paul, but we never know. You know, and it's like funny, like tonight, I was, I'm in all these Facebook groups. So they do a poll of who do you think killed Paul and Maggie? Was it Alex? Did Alex have a hitman? And this is the dad. Did Alex have a hitman?

Did Paul kill his mom and then Alex killed Paul? I mean, there's all these like different like things. Did the groundkeeper did it? Did this person do it? Was an outside person? Was it somebody that was retaliating for Mallory's death? Was it somebody retaliating for Stephen's death? I mean, there's all these possibilities, and I think that's why this murder case is so, like, intriguing because there's no, like, real true leads, but they're giving us little pieces of evidence as we go on, and they're being real hush-hush about anything that they give us.

Which they do. But, you know, and that's typical. But, you know, one of the things I will say is that, and this is why hopefully if we can get a detective on here and talk more about crime scene processing. that's really what I want to talk about as far as just like what we have heard could have been found at the scene. How beneficial is that to finding someone

truly, right? I mean, say that a gun was left there or say that shell casings were left there, all these different things. We just want to know, like, you know, I think that case is going to be if not digitally, if it's not solved somehow

digitally, meaning through messages, threats, peings, cell phone pings of like once you find these threats and then you ping cell phones of these particular people and then you see where they were if it's not solved that way it's got to be almost solved either by admission or someone someone knew someone did it or it's got to be solved with the evidence at the at the scene exactly and some people are saying there's unidentified DNA on some of something there and that's why they're asking for DNA for every case that possibly had to do with Paul Murdoch.

Like Stephen, Valerie, that's why they've gone after like all these families to see if it was something that was like a vendetta and asking for their like DNA to rule them out because obviously if they're doing that, they have some kind of DNA.

They just don't know who it is. Yeah, I think at the very least what we can say is that this Stephen Smith case is very troubling. Just a reading this true report, the lead investigator. And to me, it sounds like that he was overruled by a higher authority. Mm-hmm.

It doesn't matter. It was a higher hierarchy. It was a higher hierarchy. Well, and the same thing with Mallory's case. Like, that was not done right either. But his dad and his grandpa showed up on the scene, so he was not taken to jail or done anything. Well, there was also a high-ranking officer in the sheriff's department I heard that showed up and so on and so forth. that wouldn't typically show up.

So both cases has been like different than most cases. But I'm just saying just the Stephen Smith case though. What I'm saying is this is a trooper that was a lead investigator of this entire incident. And it's like once, and you kind of see that with government. I mean, and big government. You see it. It's like once you get to a certain level, you have no authority because it's whatever they want to say. It's like, okay, well, what do you?

Well, we don't care what you think. Yeah, you're a lead investigator, but we've already got to this person. So this person is going to say this and they're not going to not say this or they're not going to have their damn job. Right. And this trooper, like six years ago, I mean, he put his neck on the line back then. He went and actually tried to talk to the coroner because he knew it was not right. And, you know, now it's coming out again that he knew back then and he still knows something was not right about that case. It was not a hit run.

according to this trooper that was the one that was the first one doing everything. And by the way, these guys, you know, highway patrol men, I don't know about your state or wherever you're listening to us from, but highway patrol guys are guys that are predominantly investigating road incidents. And, you know, these guys are the experts when it comes to road accidents investigations or accident investigations. That's what they know best. and when you have someone, especially the lead investigator, whoever they put on this, usually the way it happens is this case doesn't look right. And so say a trooper found the body, whatever the case is.

It may not have been Todd. It could have been Proctor, which was an elite investigator, but it could have been another trooper. And then they said, well, this doesn't really look right. Let's assign probably one of our best investigators in this area. Right, right. And then this guy came in and said, well, no, this is not. obviously Todd had a little bit of authority in the highway patrol because he actually went to MUSC. This is, you know, when a trooper goes to MUSC, which is Charleston.

To talk to a coroner. To talk to a pathologist. Yeah. And he talked to the corner. You know, this is a thing that I feel like he truly believed in. Yeah. He would not have done that. He felt like was being brushed under the rug.

Yeah. He would not have done that if he didn't. And back then. Because you're putting your skin on the line. Yeah. Exactly. And he did. By peering through doors.

They're not going to say who did it. I'm going to find out who did it. That was his main goal. He wanted to know what happened to this kid. And the deputy corner later on, I think it was the deputy corner. We read it earlier that said, you know, they tried to peer into this and they got fired. Oh, for drug use. Or there was one person that got fired for drug use or something else.

I remember what that was. I think that was in the boat accident. I don't know. Somebody got fired for something. Somebody got fired for, yeah. When they were like sticking their neck on the line. But guys, look. Regardless, if this turns out everything what a lot of people think it is, it shouldn't really be a surprise.

If it turns out that way, it shouldn't turn out that, and look, I'm not saying that corruption is here. I don't know, okay? I'm just basing our thoughts, opinions on, and not even really our opinions. It's just we're reading articles and we're reading trooper reports and we're reading law enforcement reports and all these things. This is not something I'm just coming up with. This is not something I'm saying like, oh, I just believe this because I believe it. No, we're just basing on what is at, like literally what is written in a statement from the lead investigator over the Stephen Smith case. Mm-hmm.

And all I'm saying is that this whole thing, if nothing else, yeah, it's probably going to show one day, at whatever point, maybe it never shows, but maybe it shows how corrupt local government can be or local whatever can be. But you know what? if we haven't learned that government is corrupt in the past how many every years. Oh my gosh. Then y'all, like, have been sleeping. And I think maybe the reason is crazy is because it's hitting home to a lot of people on a local level. Yeah. And I think even more so.

Government is corrupt on a local level and on a national level on every level. There is corruption in all kinds of government. And there's something got to, I don't know what can be done about it. But it's sad because it's ruling people's lives. people like us, you know. It's not our everyday people that can't fight against this, you know. And by the way, you know, and I'm one of those people. It's like the Black Lives Matter movement.

Well, I mean, I think the movement is, you know, it's funded by politics. But that has nothing to do with it. I know, I know, I know. But it's funded by politics. But what I'm saying is is that if everyone just, if everyone got together and said there's a movement against corruption in government, period. And that includes law enforcement. And look, there's, by the way, guys, we.

We support... Law enforcement is at the bottom of the bottom. Not always. A lot of it is. But 90% of law enforcement is good. But when you have hierarchy... But I'm just saying they're the bottom of the hierarchy, is what I'm saying. But not all of them.

That's what I'm telling you. Not the sheriffs. Not the captains. No, I'm talking about the guys on patrol. It doesn't matter. They're being told what they do. But when captains and sheriffs and majors show up to investigations, it's not on the patrol guys. It's on these high ranking officials.

And by the way, why they're there is someone higher than them. And by the way, why the person higher than them is telling them something is because someone higher than them is saying you're doing this. And then it just gets to an extremely high level to where it's coming from the top, right? And so unfortunately, when you're in a high, powerful situation, you have all that power from the top down. Yeah, if you have power from the top, you absolutely have it all the way down. And I think that's what people don't understand. Well, do you think out of the two other, go before the double homicide of Maggie and Paul? Going from the boat wreck, sorry, boat wreck and Stephen Smith being hit and run.

Do you feel like that has happened with law enforcement? Do you think that something's happened where the people above is, I don't know. It said, sweep it under the carpet. Do something. Well, I can tell you this. A pathologist in MUSC, especially when a trooper comes down to investigate further, especially on what you're saying as a pathologist, doesn't make any sense with what they've seen on the scene. And it's like they're trying to create another narrative. It has nothing to do with anything that you've reported or witnessed or whatever.

And by the way, pathologists and corners and stuff like that. Now, corners come out to death, right? They come out to death. They investigate it and determine things separately. Right. From what it sounds like, the corner felt the same way the trooper did. Yeah, it was a homicide. Mr. Washington.

Yeah. It was a homicide. Homicide, yeah. Homicide, sorry. Dang it. Homicide. But anyways, yeah, I feel like the corner felt the same way the trooper did. But the pathologist, the M-U-S-C, which, you know, is a higher-up.

It's a higher-up position, even, probably. probably than a coroner. Mm-hmm. And she was not happy. So she was in a higher position. Yeah, well, I think so. And had more authority. Yeah, she was not happy.

And MUSC is a big... So do pathologists have a higher position than coroner's? Yeah. I mean, well, they have a pathologist technically have a better stance as far as, you know, authority. Not authority in like a county department type way. Mm-hmm. But I believe, if I'm not mistaken, pathologists go through more school. They're almost like doctors.

So who... They hold high positions and whatever they're at. Who actually does like an autopsy? Well, a corner does. Well, I think a pathologist technically does a autopsy in certain situations. But the report comes from the corner. Yeah, well, the corner announces time of death. Their main job is to announce the person dead.

They send them to the most. morgue and so it depends i mean because i think it varies i think some corners if i'm not mistaken can do uh autopsies but i think pathologists are the ones are usually the ones that crack over and those are yeah because corners are not really like doctors so doctors do that autopsy right i believe so yeah yeah so this pathologist so it's same thing is like same thing is like if uh if a 17 year old dies at a party based on we don't know why you know they're going to be sent the the the the the results of whatever is going to be sent to the pathologist. And they're going to test the chemical,

you know, whatever's in their blood, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And I guess they can do an autopsy. I'm not sure exactly. But it sounds like she did an autopsy, this, whoever it was. And she determined it was hit and run. And even stranger, and we're going to wrap this up. But even stranger was like based on past history or something that the trooper said.

And trooper said, I have no idea what she's talking about. So it just makes zero. Because he was found on the road is why she called that. No, no, that's not why she called it. He specifically said I have no idea what she's talking about as far as past history. I don't know. So, I don't know. I mean, it's, guys, this is just going to get crazier guys and girls.

I know there's a lot of girls probably listen to our podcast. And I'm trying to think, like, what other thing? Oh, by the way, guys, tonight officially, Alex Murdof, the dad, is finally offered a reward. for the killers of his son and his wife for $100,000. The reason why it took so long is because they had to go through the crime stoppers or whatever, and they're usually like $10,000 or something, but he wanted to offer like more. So they had to get all that figured. It's not been like legit like he's offering it, but that's what he's offering is a $100,000 reward for anybody that has information on these murders.

So if you do have information. Anybody, yes. Anybody that's listening, because, you know, who knows, man? I mean, someone could be listening to our podcast that knows who did it. Yeah. And look, $100,000 is a lot of money, but also it's going to solve a lot of things. Yeah, and, you know, a lot of suspicion was, like, drawn on dad because why wasn't he offering this? But I think it takes time to go through, you know, these things.

You know, I think it has, you know, it takes time to go through the protocol, I guess. I don't know. But I'm glad to see that dad is offering. offering an award for the murders of his son and a wife. You know, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And guys, listen, I mean, at the end of the day, look, we're not saying that, you know,

this family is just bad. I mean, we don't know. No. We're literally only reporting news. Yeah. They didn't deserve to die like that. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, regardless, they should all be upheld in the justice system. Yeah. But I think, you know, I think that's a lot of people's issue with the case is that they feel like this is, they haven't been ever. Right. And they don't feel like they would be. And so I don't know what the case is. I don't know who the murders are or who they are not.

I just hope we find out the truth no matter what on all of it. And hopefully for Sandy Smith, you know, hopefully she gets an answer now. And it sucks. And it sucks. Yeah. And Alex too. I mean, they all. And Buster.

I mean, everybody's being in. They all need answers. Yeah. They all need, all these families are hurting in one way or another. It doesn't, it doesn't. you know, matter who it is. I mean, all that happened, whatever. Yeah. All these families are hurting.

Yeah. We don't know. But guys, that's going to do it for this podcast. This has been episode three of the Murdo Murder's podcast. And like I said, this means a lot to us because we are in South Ghana. We care a lot about South Ghana. We are involved in South Ghana in many ways. And we're obviously going to keep you guys up to date with all the new things that come out on the case.

And for those of you, you that listen to our normal podcast. We're going to be right back with that very soon. It could be either Friday. It could be, yeah, it could be tomorrow or it could be Monday. We got some things to talk about, especially, you know, we're going to see what's going on with some things. There was a lot, there was a devastating thing that happened in Florida today. Yeah, my thoughts and prayers go out to all those victims in Florida, Surfside, Florida. Surfside Beach, Florida. Yeah, that, that building collapse. And hopefully that that was an accident, but who knows. FBI is out there. We don't know. We don't know.

Yeah, we don't know. And it was a predominantly Jewish place. Yeah. So it'll be interesting to see what happens with that. But hopefully, you know, we pray for as many survivors as can be found. And we pray for all the rescue workers and everybody out there. Yes. And guys, listen, thank you for joining us for another podcast on Investigatorth podcast.

And until next time, we love you. Stay safe. Peace out. Oh, and save Brittany. Save Brittany. Save Brittany. That's a whole other topic. Hashtag say Brittany.

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