Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - NewsNation Jake Barber Interview on Egg Shaped UFO Video | Breakdown

Episode Date: January 20, 2025

As the world tuned in to last night's highly anticipated interview between Jake Barber and Ross Coulthart, a stunning video was unveiled—an alleged egg-shaped UFO that Barber himself was involved with. Many believe this craft to be evidence of NHI (Non-Human Intelligence), but was the footage a groundbreaking revelation or a major disappointment for the UFO community? Beyond the visuals, Barber made bold claims about psychics, their abilities, and their connection to the UFO phenomenon. Could there be a deeper link between consciousness and extraterrestrial encounters, or is this just another layer of speculation? Let’s dive into the controversy.

I'm so hung up on and tell you what it feels like, but I sure think you do. I'll send up empty. Hello and welcome to Investigator's podcast. I'm your host chat alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. On tonight's episode, we're going to be talking about something that we are used to talking about on this podcast, and that is UFOs. And in particular, we are going to break down the News Nation special from last night where Ross Colthart interviews Jake Barber, an ex-air Force veteran, where he says he says he's,

He has participated in UFO or non-human intelligence crash retrieval programs. Not only did he talk about this, he also went more into detail talking about how potentially some of these things had psychic abilities to where they made him feel a certain way when he was a part of some of these programs. And it wasn't just Jake Barber that said he experienced these things. There were other members of his team to where they said when they got in close proximity of these objects, they felt overwhelming either sadness or happiness or whatever the case may be. He also went in a detail about some of these psychic abilities of potentially who the United States

government has brought on before to either communicate with these things, guide these things, whatever the case may be. Now, you obviously have multiple factions of people right now all across social media that are saying different things. You have people like Ashton Forbes, where Ashton Forbes is a good friend of ours, a good friend of the show. on multiple times and we were the number one or the I guess the first podcast to have Ashton on and Ashton has been very, very forward thinking as far as the advanced technology side of this.

He's done a ton of research. He has exposed the MH370 videos where it shows three orbs and circling an airplane to potentially zap this thing out of the sky. I know that sounds crazy. That's also why Ashton's got so much backlash. So you have him to where he's not so convinced about this thing. News Nation episode. And then you have people like Dr. Stephen Greer, where he has been talking about the

psych, I guess the psychic ability part of UFOs or non-human intelligence to where he developed a program called CE5. And CE5 is where he brings people out to various locations. They communicate with some of these objects and potentially, allegedly, summons some of these things. Now, we've had people that listen to our show that have written into us. We follow them on X. We've saw videos from them to where they summons these things.

They do the CE5 protocols, as is called, and they see them every single night. And they have also said to us multiple times that because of doing this, they've had a lot of weird stuff happen in their lives. They have had headaches. They've been sick. They've got all of these things. And very similar to how Jake Barber talks about some of this in the interview, which we will break down. And then you also have the other faction of people about UFOs. to where they think that these things are from other star systems in our galaxy or in our universe.

And these things are physical creatures to where they have developed advanced technology to the fact to where they got to Earth. And we've had these encounters and these sightings and these downcraft for many years, Sherry. I mean, it started at least the known recorded potential downcraft since the 1930s. but then even if you look back in ancient times where you have the hieroglyphs and then the things on the cave walls, the drawings. They've been here all along and I think that's what's going on. And I think one community is versus another community versus another community. And nobody's going to agree on one thing or another is kind of like Republicans versus Democrats.

You know, it's stupid because just because it's not in your genre or your area doesn't mean it's true. Yeah. It is true. And to me, I've always been about it's all of the above. You know, when you go and take a test, it's like A, this thing, B, this thing. C, none of the above, D, all of the above. I always pick D all of the above because I think it has aspects of everything. And you can't just put it in one genre.

It's across all genres if that makes sense. So, Sherry, can you tell me what your GPA was in high school since you always pick D all the above. Well, it actually was a 2.5 in high school. But I have to say, when I went to college, it went up to a 4.5 because I applied myself, guys. There you go. I did not apply myself in high school. No more D all the above.

But I did used to. But, you know, I was the type of kid that, you know, when I had tests, it was a Scantron test. I don't know if you ever had those, Chad, where you had to bubble in the number two pencil. Yeah. I always bubbled in C. D, CDC, D. I just made patterns or whatever. But I'm just saying in this aspect, I think that not one theory is wrong or over the other. I think that everyone has a contributing factor that is true here.

Yeah, absolutely. No, I 100% agree with that. And I think that's the problem right now. You know, what we're seeing in the UFO community is assessable. It is assessable of people that have varying degrees of belief. they all want to fight with each other. And I think that the number one thing the U.S. government has always done so very well as dividing.

Because if you can divide, you can conquer. And that is on any subject. It doesn't matter what it is. As long as you can just divide the people what they believe, it doesn't matter what the truth is because they're going to fight until the end of the earth. And it doesn't really matter at the end of day who's right and who's wrong as long as you keep them fighting. So guys, I do want to just point out, as I said before, we will be on Spreaker.

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You will see us live as we're live. But without further ado, I want to go ahead and get into this News Nation interview so we can break this down for you guys. Let us know your thoughts. we had so many people as we talked about it on our X account last night where I said, is this going to be BS? Is this going to be disclosure? What are we seeing here? And there were so many people that responded. It says probably more BS. Probably more BS. It's going to be a rug pool. It's going to be something that they're going to, you know, make us all be up in arms about and then

nothing. Nothing. You're talking about like before the video actually came. Yeah, before the video ever came out. I had posted something. So many people were just kind of back and forth on this. And then there was a lot of people that emailed us or sent us messages or commented and said, I want to know you guys' thought. So what we're going to do is we're going to play this interview from Ross Colthart to the whistleblower, Jake Barber. And we're going to give you our thoughts as this goes on. Whether you've heard this or not before, listen again, and we'll let you know what our thoughts are on some of this stuff. Here you go. Tonight you've heard the testimony about a secret government program to retrieve and reverse engineer UFOs.

Has the government conducted secret UAP crash retrieval programs? Yes or no? Yes. News Nation was the first to bring you this story. We have spacecraft from another species. We do, yeah. And now, for the first time anywhere, a military veteran comes forward to say he was part of that program. video to prove it. My work has included the recovery of downed UAP of non-human origin. Revealing how he retrieved alien craft. What did you see? I saw an egg.

How it changed his life forever. What we call a psionic component to the research and development of the UAP program. And how he plans to do it again for the world to see. The skies are not classified. Your conscience can't be redacted. His account corroborated by his colleagues and his injuries sustained during these operations confirmed by a Stanford professor. My personal experience is that there's something here. Will the truth set him free or will it get him killed? People have been murdered. That seems to be the case. News Nation presents hunting UFOs. The Crash. The Crash retrieval whistleblower. In October 2024, an unknown man stepped out of the shadows, arriving in our nation's capital to deliver an important message about what the public calls

UFOs, and the government calls unidentified anomalous phenomena or UAPs. I'm here in D.C. this week to meet with members of Congress. His name is Jacob Barber, and he says that for the past 30 years, He's worked in both an official and unofficial capacity for the United States government and its partners in the intelligence community. What he knows and what he's here to tell Congress could change the world as we know it. We're in this rare opportunity in human history where it's very clear that we know that there are things flying in the sky that are unexplained and ununderstood.

And that's another one of the things that I'm uniquely providing. information on. So what my, by the way, I want to stop here for just a second, guys, because I'm sure many of you have heard this interview, but that's why I want to give you some breakdown information on this. So one of the things that Jake goes into further in this interview is the fact that not only was he an Air Force helicopter pilot, but he was also a contracted helicopter pilot for a government contracted company.

So I don't know if you guys have ever heard of the bullet. black helicopters that are typically seen over UFO, UAP sightings or especially sightings where it's mass sightings where a lot of people are seeing these things. We got this even back in the day in California where there were multiple UFO sightings between Malibu, Los Angeles, and the Catalina Island. And then it wasn't long after this. Many people that worked in intelligence or government back then that became whistleblowers

said that when they would see some of these craft, they would oftentimes see black helicopters that would be flying around in this area. And I believe that more than likely it was a privatized government contracted company that has these black helicopters. And this is more than likely the same type of company Jake worked for. Yeah. And you got to remember when the government is contracting things out, they don't have to go by the regular rules. Yeah, the government rules, the FOIA request. Yeah, you don't have any of that.

Yeah. they use privatized companies. This is the same reason they use government contracted companies overseas in wartime scenarios because the rules of engagement, all these things, you think back to Blackwater, you think back to Armor Group. There were so many of these hired guns that would go over to Afghanistan, Iraq, and various other countries where the government would use privatized companies to do the dirty work that they could not get away with as the United States military.

So think about that. And then think about as Jake Barber worked for some of these companies, these private government contract to companies as a helicopter pilot to go and do crash retrieval programs. Let's listen to some more. This guy special. Well, to date, everyone who's come forward has either described their own UAP encounter like this famed 2015 incident recorded by F-16 aviators on the USS Roosevelt.

I have experienced advanced UAP firsthand, and I'm here to voice concerns of more than 30 commercial air crew and military veterans who have confided their similar encounters with me. Others have alleged that there's a secret government UAP program that's been going on for decades. People like David Grush and Lou. Sorry you're going to hate me, but he literally just said F-16 pilots. They were not F-16 pilots. Ryan Graves was F-18 pilots. They were completely two different aircraft systems.

Commander Fravor also F-18 pilots. They both, I believe, well, I know Commander Favreve came off an aircraft carrier. I don't know about Ryan Graves, but both of them were F-18. 18 pilots. I'm just surprised that Ross Goldthard would get that wrong. But anyways, go ahead. They say they've been told about it. They believe it exists, but they weren't a part of it themselves. We've been recovering spacecraft, alien spacecraft. The United States has been involved in the recovery of objects, vehicles of unknown origin, that are neither from our country or any other foreign country that we're aware of. But Mr. Barber is different. He says that for years he was part of that covert program, working with alien spacecraft.

These days we call them NHI, non-human intelligence. And this guy is prepared to testify that he was involved directly firsthand in the retrieval of these craft. How long have you known this secret, unidentified, anomalous phenomena, being of non-human origin for more than 10 years. Of course, we checked Bada's records, and we've confirmed that he was an airman in the US Air Force, working as an aerospace mechanic in the late 90s. But as these documents show, he was also recruited into Air Force Special Operations, known as Combat Control.

He says he ended up working in a non-official capacity for the Department of Defense and the intelligence community. What were you? What was I? Ross, I was a highly talented airplane mechanic who got to deploy on a number of presidential support missions. But Jake was no ordinary mechanic. Being recruited into the Air Force's elite combat control unit meant he had a resume that reads like something out of an action thriller. Helicopter pilot, free fall parachutist, expert marksman and the recipient of a NATO top-secret security clearance, a legacy of his service in Bosnia, where he won an award for an active heroism. In addition to reviewing his official documentation, News Nation spoke with three former Special Operations soldiers who corroborate Barber's credentials

and claims. I know in Special Operations, you're often in some tough situations. You have to rely on. each other. Is Jake Perth Barber a person who you would trust? Oh yes. He's a person I would and have trusted with my life. Do you think Jake Barber is a patriot? Oh yeah, absolutely. There's a thing I know a lot of special operators talk about that, you know, there are certain types of men who you would want watching your back in a tight spot. Is he one of those guys? Absolutely. Trustworthiness is one of the top things that we're looking for. And one of his most fervent supporters is Colonel John Blitch, a Renaissance warrior who holds a doctorate in psychology, was a Delta Force sniper and is one of the few men to hold doomsday in his hands, commanding a nuclear weapons battalion.

So you believe Jake Barber is telling the press. Absolutely. There has been a cover-up lasting 80 years. Absolutely. We've recovered craft. Absolutely. So let's roll back. You say you were an enlisted man and then you ended up working for the intelligence

community as a contractor. Tell me that story. How did that happen? Everything changed for me right around 9-11. And I left the Air Force and was sent out to California at that time to begin establishing my cover basis for an independent, as an independent contractor, so that I can serve what was coming down the line next for me. And that is the path which led to the UAP subject. Barber says he was contracted as a helicopter pilot and was part of a team assigned to retrieve crashed aircraft at an undisclosed testing facility in the desert,

and we're not only talking about conventional airplanes or drones. A lot of the work we did was on what I call the range, where the U.S. government and its private partners used to test all kinds of things. weapon systems and resilience to weapon systems of certain craft. And so you see a lot of exciting things. So you start seeing at the range, interesting objects. Well, yeah, it's always interesting out there. Things come in and out of sight. Things disappear for a moment and reappear.

Things seem to move very quickly. Things change color. They change shape. We did recover things that were exotic in nature. the sky and we know they were classified craft and we recovered them and took them back to where they go. The majority of what we see and do is explainable and is ordinary and is known by many people and is not classified. But there is a certain percentage which is extremely sensitive. And that extremely sensitive bit does include what we know is our own man-made advanced technology.

So you know what Louis Luzondo has described as the five observables. So you were seeing objects that complied with those weird observables. Yes. So one of those that would raise your eyebrow is more of the transmedium characteristics because things would come from the ground, like from the earth, from a ridge, from a mountain, or could pass through. So they'd come out of the ridge? Out of a ridge.

aircraft that can disappear, change color, change shape? How might the U.S. military have developed or required such technology? Jake's... Sorry, I've got to stop here for just a second, but he's talking about transmedium craft, and we're not even just talking about the ocean here in this case. Yeah, just the land. Yeah, he's talking about these craft coming out of the land, out of a mountain, out of a hill, whatever the case is.

But I found it interesting, too, that he said that he was called up to a private contracting company after 9-11 into an independent contractor. A lot of what he was doing out was at the range, right, where they tested new weapon systems, right? There are various ranges across the United States, especially in the southwest. But I do find this interesting because this is a range. This is where they test new advanced technology or advanced weapon systems. And it sounds like right now, this is where a lot of the stuff that he was seeing

was happening. Yeah, this is where they were like shape shifting or changing colors or doing anything else. And this could be testing of what our government actually has. Possibly. From reverse engineering.

And I want to put an emphasis on that. Reverse engineering because we didn't get that unless we had that. And I just want to make a big point about that. Yeah. I mean, even back to Bob Lazar, you know, where he worked to Area 51, Area S4, where Bob Lazare,

he's been on Joe Rogan a couple of times. He's had this crazy story that he worked on UFOs at Area S4 to where they had no signs of propulsion. What a lot of what Bob Lazar, he even drew an actual diagram of what this craft looked like, and it looked like what you would consider a flying saucer. But he said these saucers had no obvious means or propulsion. There was no engines on them. No engines. He was a propulsion expert, by the way, Bob Lazar,

was. And he had even at one point in time said he felt like he had saw an alien body in Area 51, Area S4. But we got to remember back then when they were doing this, they compartmentalized. Thank you. Everything. So no one knew what another person was doing. They didn't, they were, they were hiding everything. Yeah. So they didn't want one person to know more than they should. Yeah. I mean, every single person at Area S4, Area 51, doesn't mean. matter how advanced or skilled you were in a particular subject or a particular category, you were not going to communicate with someone else. And that was one of the things Bob Lazar always talked about was if we could have been

able to communicate with other scientists or other propulsionists or whatever the case may be, we could have easily probably figured this out a lot faster or even at all than we did. But it was a big secret and they didn't want anyone to know. Yeah. So let's listen to some more of this. He saw for himself close up. And the rare occasion, or let's say the hypothetical occasion, something of a non-human origin or source,

were to interface with the ground, you would deploy that same team. And that is the segue and how we got involved with this particular subject. Next, Jake Barber's first encounter with non-human intelligence. How close did you get? I got within 150 feet of this object. And later, News Nation has acquired video evidence of Jake's claims.

It has to be seen to be believed. We are not alone. We are not alone. There's no doubt Jake Barber is an accomplished helicopter pilot. This is the kind of work Barber says he did after he left the Air Force as a private contractor. Working for the defense industry and the U.S. government, at a secret location, he calls the range. That's where Barber and his team were asked to retrieve Doundcraft,

the likes of which, he says, were not just advanced tech the public has never seen. They were built by non-human intelligence. So tell me about the moment when you realised that you were involved in a retrieval of non-human technology, alien tech. So it became very clear the first time our communication process and procedure was modified. And then just visually looking at the object on the ground, you could tell that it was extraordinary and anomalous. It was not human. How close did you get?

Well, I was a helicopter pilot and I operate with 150 foot to 200 foot long line. So I got within 150 feet of this object. What did you see? I saw an egg, a white egg. Was there any visible propulsion system on it? No, not what we would know. There's no engine. There was no thermal signature.

I was operating at night when I finally came in to pick it up. So I'm working under night vision goggles at the time. And it was quite clear. I flipped them up, flipped them down, and looked at it a couple of different ways. How large was the object? I would say approximately 20 feet. plus or minus a little bit, about the size of a large SUV.

Did it have any seams? No. And it was pure white? It was like pearly white, like a metallic pearly white, the best I could assess. How did you know that that egg-shaped object was non-human in origin? Well, visually, after seeing all kinds of things in my past, it was clearly something that was ridiculously looking. It's inconsistent with anything I'd ever seen before.

I can also tell you that the reaction by my team, we all knew we were dealing with something extraordinary. And at no stage were you ever subsequently told that the craft was of non-human origin? I will tell you that during this process over the last couple of years, it's been confirmed to me by ranking members of the UAP Task Force, that what we were working with that night was in fact an H.I, and it was not a unique experience. What do you think that object was? I don't know. Again, I'm security and transportation. I moved it, loaded it on a truck, and it went to... Where would it go? Where would it be taken? It would be taken to a secure facility, but again, my role stops once I deliver it.

Yes, it sounds like the stuff of madness, tall tales, delusions. And anyway, where was the proof for any of this? News Nation has independently obtained previously unseen video obtained from a secret UAP craft retrieval program. This extraordinary footage clearly shows an egg-shaped object dangling in a sling below the belly of a helicopter. By the way, I want to point this video out to you guys just so you know what this looks like if you have not seen it. And I do encourage you guys to go to social media X or whatever. Look up the egg-shaped video News Nation, you know, Jake Barber. This video looks like a long line, 150 foot to where it has something wrapped in it and looks like a giant egg.

That's what it looks like. The interesting part to me, though, here is that as they drop this egg on the ground, this thing kind of rolls. It's almost like a balloon in nature. And that was one of the first things that I thought about when I saw this video. But it also kind of looks metallic. Like it's not just a balloon that's full of air or anything like that. That actually has substance. But to me, when I'm thinking about this egg that they're transporting to reverse engineers,

what I think they're doing, I think about Ashton Forbes. And I think about MH370 with those three orbs that were glowing that look like eggs. I swear to God, I think that this could be. be it. Maybe. I mean, it could be the balls, right? I mean, this is what we've seen with the orbs. Yeah, the balls. Orbs. They look like eggs. And yeah, they weren't glowing when they're taking them, but they were actually not flying when they're like flying them. So you don't see the glow of these orbs. But when you look at the orbs around that plane, they look like eggs. Yeah. I mean, they definitely look like balls of energy. You know, is this thing decommissioned? Obviously,

maybe it crashed. I don't know. Or what the hell is it, right? I mean, that's the question. And although this video in particular, so many people, they got let down, I guess, after this video, especially all over social media. They're like, damn, I thought we were going to see something like crazy. What I don't know is how you as a pilot are going to look at this egg-shaped thing that you are carrying on your long line and say that it's non-human intelligence. And better yet, did any of these pilots see?

this thing fly. That's the question. Yeah, that is a good question. No one has said, hey, we saw this thing fly, go pick it up.

And like if we saw this thing going from here to here in instantaneous movement, then that's something. But if you're saying that, hey, we went and picked this thing up in the middle of the desert and we harnessed it,

obviously someone had to have been down there to harness the actual object and then they placed it somewhere else. But where are the whistleblowers saying we saw this thing, doing insane maneuvers and doing things even without propulsion. We have not even heard that. And they don't, by the way, say this in this interview.

Yeah, I know. I get that. But I think that it was out of commission. It was an egg that looks like an orb that we see in the sky. But no one ever saw it fly. So how is it even an orb? How is it anything other than an egg shaped thing that you went and picked up and put to somewhere else?

Yeah, that's true. And I would like to see like if there's a way inside of it and what's inside of it, Is it a drone? Is somebody flying this thing? Does it have like a pilot seat? What exactly is it? Likely not. I mean, even if you go back to Bob Lazar where he talks about,

he actually drew a diagram of what he worked on and saw with the no obvious signs of repulsion and looked like an actual flying saucer, these egg-shaped things and all this crap, I just don't understand where we're getting that this thing ever even flew because no one even says it. But it looks like the tick-tack things. we see in the sky, Chad. It does. It kind of does. It does. It totally does. The only thing that's wrong with it is it's not maneuvering and running. It's, you know, out of commission because they're transporting it because it crashed. Okay. Well, if it did crash, there's no, or at least it doesn't look like

there's any damage. We just don't know exactly what this thing is. The question to me here is that it's just hard for me to believe that you're saying you wouldn't pick this thing up. That has no obvious signs of propulsion, but yet you never saw it propulse. Did you notice when he said when they put it down that it rolled? Yeah, I know. All right. Think about it looks like a balloon to me. Yeah, it's not a balloon.

It's more of a metallic material. That's what he says. But if you actually look at the video, it doesn't look that metallic. It looks like a very grainy green video. So I don't know. I mean, all I'm saying is how do you say this is non-human intelligence? and a craft that has no obvious signs of propulsion. We haven't even saw a propulse anywhere.

Okay, Chad, if you saw this in the middle of the field and it was just sitting there, would you not think something was up or it was something that we've never seen before? A giant egg? It's not an ostrich egg. Yeah, I know. I get it. All I'm saying is that these are some of the things that I'm thinking of when he's talking about, hey, there's no obvious signs of propulsion on this thing.

Okay, well, did you see it go anywhere? because maybe that's why there's no signs of repulsion. Maybe it's just been chilling there. Yeah, and maybe that's why they're getting so much criticism, but they're not even getting the benefit of the doubt that they were hired to move this thing and things happened to them. Okay, well, let's listen to some more of what he says happened as they started working on some of these crash retrieval programs.

Let's slow this down to take a closer look. That's an X-shaped UAP suspended from a one-stretched. 150 foot long line. We're told the craft is about 20 feet long. The egg suspended in a cradle. And look how careful the pilot is as they bring their precious cargo into land. Let's freeze frame here to look at one of the clearest images of a UAP ever taken. This is no blurry light in a distant sky, the source of the footage putting themselves at incredible risk to record this UAP retrieval. Look at how perfectly smooth the craft is,

no markings at all, and no visible means of propulsion or way to see inside. Watch how it rolls, almost graceful as it hits the ground, despite being wrapped in the ropes and canvas from the cradle as it's dropped for pickup. The UAP's final destination still unknown. So there was another object. There's two objects that I'm here to talk about.

One was the egg. The other is what we called an eight gone. The eight gone was essentially a flying disc with what looked like eight delineated sections when looking down. And I can tell you what it looked like from looking down because that's primarily how I saw it because I'm a helicopter pilot. We did recoveries with the eight gons. there was more than one that made its way to the ground on this particular operation. Simply seeing a non-human craft up close would be an intense experience in itself. But Barber says as he prepared to transport that so-called Aitgon from the pickup site to the drop site,

something even more intense happened to him that would change his life forever. This is one of the most profound experiences I've ever had in my life. I'm about to share with you. So bear with me. So as I get closer to this piccyte, I start feeling odd. I start feeling extremely emotional. And the closer I get, the more the emotion starts to overwhelm me. I feel this intense hybrid of sadness and happiness and beauty.

and song and it was very disruptive to me because I had a very practical responsibility at the time to operate a helicopter in the mountains at night and I began wondering what was wrong with me it was late and am I just stressed

am I tired and I don't know but as I came over this object for the pick there was this overwhelming sense of emotion. Is it your feeling? Are you suddenly having a mental breakdown on the job? No, I felt like something connected with me. I felt like something had tuned in to me and my soul

and was providing me some sense of guidance on what to do and how profound what I was doing was. And it was so overwhelming that I began to cry. And then I'm confused as to why I'm crying at the same time. And then do I abort the mission? Do I? And so I just did my best to focus on my particular cues when doing this type of work. And I got the load hooked up and I began flying away.

And once it was just me and that object in between the pick and the drop site, there was about 20 miles in between, I felt like something was inside of me. I felt like I was possessed by the most beautiful spirit I'd ever been possessed by. Was it loving? It was loving. But there was a sense of sadness at the same time. Had you ever had an experience like this before?

No. No, it was a very feminine energy, I'll tell you that. It felt like the spirit of God, but not in any masculine sense. And it wasn't like a soul. It was like a frequency that I was connected with. And whatever that force was since that night, it has stayed with me. And as crazy as this sounds, it's what's guiding me now. And it's what's providing protection for me.

It's change. So I want to point out a couple things here. He talks about this. he got very emotional, like an intense hybrid sensation of sadness and beauty and song. This was an operation at night to where he felt like that something was overtaken his emotions. And he was possessed by some type of spirit, but he talked about specifically motherly, feminine, not masculine. Yes. And you think about, all right, just think about a chicken for a second.

A chicken lays eggs, right? normally an egg comes from a female. This is what I want to talk about for just a second, too. As a teacher in my past career, we always used eggs as scientific experiments. Do you guys realize that eggs are the toughest, like shape to shatter or break or do whatever? Like you can build buildings on eggs and not break them

because of the way the shape is. Like there's constantly like scientific. experiments going on with eggs. It's very interesting. And I'll also go back to the motherly, you know, guidance that he experienced, not masculine, felt godly, but spiritual in nature. And it kind of goes back to the lady, the lady in the blue dress, as Chris Bloodsoe explains, all of his experiences, where he would see these craft, these craft that he would see

off his property, that he somehow connected to emotionally. and when he would connect to these things emotionally, he would see a lady. He actually saw a lady outside of his house. This is very interesting because even Ryan Bledsoe, I think I saw him post on X earlier, to where he says some of what we have been talking about and our story is kind of being vindicated right now because if you listen to Jake Barber and what his experience is what and what he said that he felt while he was, you know, interacting with this object. This is the eight agon, I guess he calls it.

Right, right. Right. So it's more of like, I guess, a flying saucer rather than an egg shape when he was experiencing all these things, even though he did also experience some of these emotions going in and working with these egg shaped craft. But he specifically talked about the eight gons where when they went and took these things, this is when he got really emotional. And he felt this overwhelming possession of a spirit, a motherly and feminine figure, not masculine but godly. and so I have to go back to the Chris Bledso experiences and a lot of what he says, if you guys don't know who Chris Bledso is, Chris Bledso is a guy that he had various experiences with UFOs, UAPs.

He went on the, I think it was the Danny Duncan podcast where he outlined and detailed in detail what his experiences was with the lady, as he calls it. And a lot of what he felt, the overwhelming experiences, even if you go, go to like what Tucker Carlson has talked about where he said that, you know, I don't even want to tell my wife about a lot of this stuff because in Tucker's experiences, a lot of what he has heard from inside sources is this stuff is not good. It is deep. It is dark. It is something that is not of good nature. And even when you start hearing this, I mean, when you use the word possession in general, which is what Jake Barber did, something possessed him emotionally and took over his

emotions. And so that could also be demonic in nature. It may not just be the fact that even just because you feel something of a motherly figure or, or happiness and sadness at the same time in song, that doesn't mean that that is God. It doesn't mean that it is an angel coming to give you all of this comfort. It may be a demon, you know, masking itself in disguise with emotion. It could be. And so a lot of people have experienced that. Actually, if you go back to some of the possessions back in the early days where people were being possessed, oftentimes they were possessed by the good feelings they got originally.

But then when they basically kind of sold themselves over to this feeling, that is when they got possessed in a very dark and demonic way. I mean, even though, you know, if you think about drugs, for example, drugs will make you feel great at first. Alcohol will make you feel great. But think about how deep and dark that can go. and think about what the overall goal of whatever that drug is. It is to draw you in and possess you and whatever, you know, whatever kind of thing that is. Right.

But also think about this. Whoever was in possession of this egg type flying, whatever it was, if it's flying or not flying, it has a deep connection to this egg. Yeah. You know, it's kind of like a mother that's not going to leave its child kind of feeling. Yeah. And you're talking about like the eight gone versus the egg.

versus whatever, yeah. I don't know. I mean, it's interesting to hear his take on this. And he even talks about that he feels like today, this is what's guiding him now. But it's just interesting and kind of break some of this down. Let's listen to some more of what he says. It's changed my life.

Wait a second. Humans bonding psychically and emotionally with non-human intelligence? Yes, Jake Barber says that's exactly what happened to him. And he's not the only one. and he says the government knows all about it. There is a psychic component to the research and development of the UAP program. Do psychics walk among us? Jake Barber says that when he retrieved a so-called eight-gone-shaped UAP,

he had an intense emotional reaction, which convinced him he'd connected telepathically with a non-human intelligence. You're talking UFOs, flying sources, and that's probably one of the hardest conversations. That object, or whatever was controlling that object, was also connecting to me through the mind, through my mind. And so how did the object come to land? I think it was invited to land by the psionics team. Jake says his mission that night came from no accidental crash. The UAP was summoned by a separate team.

team, a special team with special abilities. They're called psionics. What is a psionic? A psionic person is someone with the predisposition for extral, temporal, you could say, abilities and sensitivities. Extratemporal abilities, also known as psychic powers. What did you discover the psionics were being used for in the program? In the program, program, there was certainly a desire to explore the idea that perhaps UAP could be summoned, could be communicated with, could be controlled, and could be persuaded to land, all by deploying people with psionic abilities. And did you see that happen? Yes, I did. When a psionic operator engages with technology, how do they do it? Using their mind, something like meditation,

There genuinely are people who can actually make a mental, spiritual connection to a technology. Yes, 100%. It all seems so far-fetched, psychically gifted humans linking with possibly alien ships, summoning them and even piloting them. But it isn't just Jake saying this. Don Paul, another decorated special forces operator and colleague of Jake's, says he's also seen what psionics can do. I've had the pleasure of meeting multiple psionic assets.

I've seen them function. I know that they're capable of doing what they're doing. You can definitively say that you believe there is a capacity in the human mind to somehow psychically, telepathically connect. Yes, and I don't know if it's a byproduct, if it's something that they were born with, but there is certain people who are quantifiably,

verifiably capable of this. It's an established fact that the Pentagon has had an interest in psychic abilities, what it calls remote viewing for military purposes. The famed Project Stargate spent years studying the subject. And despite the CIA's official position that such studies yielded nothing, former Pentagon UAP investigator Lou Elizondo told me last year that psychic abilities are very real. and perhaps not very rare. So this is an ontological shock, I think, for many people watching this,

because we're all being told. Firstly, there's no such thing as aliens visiting this planet. And secondly, there's no such thing as telepathy or psychic abilities. It's rubbish. So there you go. I just want to stop here for a second because, you know, this topic, when this topic got on social media about the psychic abilities and the psionics and the psionics teams,

this is when so many people in the UFO community, but in particular, just people in general, started to discredit this entire interview. Now, the one thing we got to talk about is Jake Barber. He had NATO top secret clearance. He was a helicopter pilot for the United States Air Force also for some very specialized private contracting groups from the United States government.

He is not discreditable in any way. And not only that, there were various other special forces assets. or comrades, I guess you can say, that worked with Jake Barber, that also validated his story, but not only validated his story, but also had very similar experiences with Cyanic teams. And then if you go to Dr. Stephen Greer, Dr. Stephen Greer, a ex-emergency room doctor, I believe he was, that really extensively started studying this aspect of UFOs and UAPs where he felt like that people could relate, connect or communicate with the UFOs in a very psionic way. He started this program called CE5, as we talked about earlier.

And I told you guys earlier, we have people that communicate with these things, summons these things at night, and they will show up over their house. And I've seen these videos. This is no joke. So I don't think that this part of the story, if anything is bullshit, right? If anything is not true, I would say the psionic abilities and what they have talked about as far as people being able to communicate with craft. I do believe that this is very, very possible.

Sherry, what are you talking about here as far as... Well, I'm writing Chad's notes, and I'm just saying, ask Neeland what he thinks about this whole, you know, phenomenon. Yeah, yeah, with the sonic abilities. We may do that in just a little bit. And you were also talking about, you know, female versus male. Yes. Are you talking about, like, psychic ability-wise? Yes, I think that more females are psychic than males.

Yeah. I think there is no doubt about it. And I think it has some type of intuition because they bear children, you know, as far as non-woke people. That was a little joke. But, you know, we have those abilities. And I think a lot of females do have that more than males. Yeah. I wonder why that is.

Because, I mean, listen, we know quite a few people, right? I mean, we know females that have potentially those abilities. I'd actually like to have some of those people on the podcast soon. some of your some of the people you know that we've talked to before um very kind of in tune in depth with kind of the world and the and the frequencies and just a lot of that stuff but and this is not to be anti-christian or anti-god i actually think that it can be i think it connects it all goes together it connects it connects d all of the above yeah exactly um so when jake barber is sitting here talking about sonic abilities just keep in mind that regardless we don't trust the government

in most ways but we do know that the department of the defense fence, the Pentagon has declassified documents of remote viewing before we talked about this earlier. And they have extensively studied this phenomenon in people to where they could potentially either see things from one place to another, or maybe they were really utilizing these people to figure out who had these abilities to where they then could summons these things that we're talking about, these UFOs, UAPs, to where they then could manipulate reverse engineer or otherwise. And this is where kind of the interdimensional, the physical, and all of that comes together. And so if the government has advanced technology to where they have not only physical

technology, but somehow have harnessed some type of psionics slash interdimensional ability, that's what's crazy. Right. And, and I think, I think that probably. And when you think about that all together in this whole video that just came out, I mean, you have to give them credit. I don't think they're full of shit. No, I don't think so either. I mean, I definitely don't think Jake Barber's full of shit. I mean, I don't know about the egg video. You guys can look at that and decipher for yourself.

I think they wanted to release a video based on some of the things that they had been a part of. But just extensively what Jake Barber is saying here, I don't necessarily not believe him. Let's listen to some more. Yeah, you know, I don't think there is going to be an ontological shock. I think it's going to be an ontological relief because I think everyone deep down, knows that there's more to life than what we are being told and experiencing. Like, not only is it not shocking, but it should be welcome. It all seems so innocent, so benign, even sacred.

But hold on. Jake says that through his work, he and his team have suffered serious injuries. After this particular mission, me and everyone on my team got extremely sick. How sick? like physically ill in the hospital. And one of the world's leading medical experts agrees. My personal experience, both with people and the things that I've seen, is that there's something here.

Are UAPs bad for your health? What do you think the NHA want? The NHI, I feel the NHI are guiding us. Jake Barber describes his encounters with UAP as transcendent quasi-religious moments. And from what you're saying, that's a beautiful experience. Yeah, it was the most beautiful experience I've had in my life. But he also says these encounters could come with a staggering cost.

UAPs may have changed his life for the better. They may also have shortened it. So what happened to you? We're not quite sure. We were transporting a large sealed container. Jake says nobody on his team was told what was in that container. And we transported what we called mystery boxes all the time. I have no idea.

It could have been empty. It probably wasn't empty, but we don't know what was inside the boxes. And what were you told if somebody tried to seize that box? What were your orders? We maintained the authority to use lethal force if anyone tried to seize those boxes. So whatever that box was, it was extremely valuable to the U.S. government. That's correct. And after this particular mission, me and everyone on my team got extremely sick.

like physically ill in the hospital. Within, you know, weeks after this, I'd lost every hair on my body. And I also lost the skin on my arms. So the skin's actually falling off your body? Yeah, like not just falling off. It was lopping off within a couple of days, like a severe sunburn. I ended up developing a severe heart murmur that I'd never had before. Last year, I introduced Jake to Stanford immunology professor, Gary Nolan.

He's been studying anomalous injuries among U.S. military personnel for years at the behest of the CIA. Nolan agreed to review decades of Jake's medical records. And by the way, so I want to talk here for a second. This is, you know, the hair falling off, the skin, all of this sounds like radiation. Yeah, I was going to ask you guys, what do you think that could be? He said it felt like a sunburn, a really bad sunburn. Yeah. Well, we all know when you get a really bad sunburn.

sunburn, it could be radiation. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, and we've heard about this from military members that have encountered some of these craft overseas. You know, Tucker Carlson talked about that on multiple podcasts to where he talked with various people. There were even people that were not allowed or not able to get certain benefits, their wives or family based on the classified nature of whatever their injuries were overseas.

Where their family members actually died in some cases. Died in some cases or potentially. had long lasting brain trauma, whatever the case may be, but they all had one common thing. They experienced these craft at certain times of their deployment. And so there's a common denominator here, radiation.

Even if you go back to Fire in the Sky, which I want to go watch that movie, actually, maybe tonight. Fire in the Sky is a great movie. Fire in the Sky depicts this guy that, you know, essentially goes in the woods. He's a logging guy. And he goes in the woods.

And he encounters this craft. Now, he shows up like four or five days later because everyone thought he got abducted, which sounds like maybe he did. But he had various injuries. He also, the area around where the craft potentially abducted him, there were things that were just wrong in the way the trees grew, the grass. We've seen this in various cases. And it all has signs of radiation.

But even if you go back to what Stephen Greer said about some of our reverse engineering programs where some people in our government would take some of these craft and go to South America and abduct people. Yeah. They would take these people. So we don't know who is actually abducting people these days or, you know, is it actual people? Is it actual NHI or non-human intelligence? Yeah. But Bob Lazard actually said, too, that it had to do with the reverse engineering of craft not to have a propulsion was because of radiation.

Yeah, the gravity. The gravity pole around it. it caused radiation around the craft. Yeah. Yeah. So let's listen to some more of what Gary Nolan has to say here. I think it's Gary Nolan, yeah. Port reads like a bit of a horror show, to be quite honest.

To me, what the first thing that came to mind was you were exposed to some kind of radiation. And especially, as I understand it, a number of his coworkers in the deployments that he was in had similar problems. So you're not dealing with a one-off who went home. and somehow came in contact with something in the house. But you have four or five individuals all at once coming down with the same thing within a week or so after deployment. That's more than a coincidence. My fear is that there's something permanently broken that might show up in the form of cancer,

God knows what, later in life, and we're going to be way behind and trying to figure out how to deal with it. Assuming Jake and his team were exposed to radiation, emanating from that box, could it have come from one of the many radioactive materials used regularly by the military, certain munitions, components of nuclear vessels, or nuclear weapons themselves? Jake doesn't think so. If the Air Force, let's say, knew that what we were working with that night had any type of radiological signature, there's a whole set of process that we're trained in on how to deal with that from a hazmat perspective and containment perspective,

And the fact that none of that was apparent that night tells me they didn't know what was in the box. And it got turned on or turned off, which leads me to believe, in hindsight, all these years, that it may have been something of non-human origin. Speculation? Absolutely. Wild speculation? Perhaps not. When you consider other documented cases of military personnel who claim they were similarly injured by UAP. Take the famous case of Airman John Burrows, the Veterans Administration granted him full medical disability for injuries to his heart and eyes he claims he suffered during the famous 1980 UAP incident in Rendlesham Forest, England.

But that only happened after Senator John McCain intervened to get his medical records declassified. They were classified. They just weren't withheld. They were classified. Why would you feel that the issue was so important as to not allow for that person's medical records to be released? What are you hiding? The issue came up in last year's congressional UAP hearings. How can the government deny we have recovered craft if they're paying people because they've been injured by recovered craft? Ma'am, that's a great question. That's why I think we're here again because I've seen the documentation by the U.S. government for several of these individuals who have

sustained injuries as a result of a UAP incident. What did happen is silence either unethical or an administrative oversight that needs investigation by Congress because we shouldn't be putting people like this under such circumstances. The good news is that now under Dr. Nolan's care, Jake is getting proper evaluation and treatment. The bad news is Jake believes there's a number. more imminent threat to his health, his former employer.

People have been murdered. That seems to be the case. Stay with us. He wasn't just the United States government interested in using Jake's expertise working with UAPs and psionics. His skills were also needed by private companies involved in the top secret program. And his assignments soon took a turn from recovering UAPs to something more sinister. What happened? Well, we were deployed on a particular task to recover what we call

HVTs or high-value targets. Those high-value targets were Panasonic Tough Books. The sensitive material that is on these Panasonic Tough Books has to do with sensor data. Jake and his team suspect those Panasonic Tough Books contained data from the top secret UAP retrieval operations, worth millions to the right buyer. Jake says the private company contracting him was determined to recover them. We recovered our first two tough books. They were in the high sierras. We got back to our base location and then went through them and took photographs,

discovered that the hard drives were missing. Jake said, I got to stop for a second. He's talking about laptops here, Tough Books, Panasonic Tough Books. A lot of military slash government organizations used Panasonic Toughbook laptops. But why the hell were these freaking things in the high Sierra Mountains scattered throughout? That makes zero sense to me. Like why were you sent on missions in the High Sierra Mountains to go find tough books that allegedly, potentially had some type of, I don't know, UAP, UFO cordents on these laptops? It just makes no sense to me.

Does it to you? Not really, but what really does it make sense is that he said their hard drives were missing, like from when and where? Yeah. None of that makes sense to me. Like this whole part of the interview, I don't quite get it. And he says that he assumes potentially they were part of a UFO retrieval program data is why they took the hard drives. A lot of this stuff doesn't make sense. And I understand why so many people on social media are like, okay, what the hell are you talking about?

Well, what if the government just doesn't want anyone to know about this? Yeah, well, then I guarantee this guy would not be on News Nation talking about it. Yeah, well, maybe he's on there trying to save his life. I doubt it. I mean, I can tell you this, because if you are part of some top secret program to where you do any of this stuff and it's a top secret mission or whatever the cases are and you go out on News Nation to do this, you're going to be put in prison. I mean, there's a reason why Edward Snowden is in Russia now, not on News Nation talking about all the shit that he found out. And so that's that that is my biggest problem with this whole thing is like you have actual whistleblowers which have to flee the United States of America because of the consequences that will come down on them based on their agreements with the government. And then you have people on News Nation that are freely talking about crash retrieval programs.

we had to go to check out and try to retrieve high value targets such as laptops that potentially had UFO retrieval data on it. You have all of this stuff. It just doesn't make sense. If you're a whistleblower, you don't go on News Nation to do this. More likely, you flee to Russia and then you talk about it. Well, yeah, that could be because I was going to say, if I'm a whistleblower, I want my name out everywhere and saying, I'm alive, I'm interviewing, you know, they can't,

kill you then. Yeah, but you understand that then Edward Snowing got had just done that. He could have just went on News Nation. Everything would have been fine. But no, because they would have put him in prison. Now, I also don't know what the stipulations on his clearances and all this stuff was during all of this. But all I'm saying is, News Nation wants you to believe that this is some top secret whistleblower coming forward talking about all this stuff. But if that was the case, he would be in prison today. Like he would be in Leavenworth and he would be held for various federal. government charges against the United States of America.

So do you think everything he's said is a lie then? No, I don't know what to think about this. I mean, that's what's crazy to me because you've got to think about how serious they take stuff such as national security. If the fact that we know the United States government is desperately trying to hide, whether it be advanced technology or even UFOs and they've lied to Congress, they won't tell Congress and skiffs, people to ask. people to actually have secret clearances to be able to hear this stuff and they don't tell

them this, but do you have this guy coming out on news station saying it? I don't know. Unless, unless there has been some protection from the government on some of these people to say, hey, go out and speak about it. I just, I don't know. I don't know what the answer to this is. Now, what I will say, in my opinion, is that if he has some protections from the government some way, somehow to where they said, yeah, you can go out and talk about.

about it, whatever the case is. Maybe that's why he's doing it. Maybe. But I don't know. Maybe the government wants people to know like partially what's going on. And this is a good way to get it out is to like have a whistleblower kind of come out on their terms. But do you really think the government really gives a damn, especially this past four years about wanting American people to know the truth? We don't even know what the hell's going on in New Jersey with the drones and all the other drones. They lied to us continuously on every single news program. in the nation about what's actually going on with the drones. There was a guy that blew himself up in Las Vegas in a freaking cyber truck that released a

email saying what he thinks what is going on or what supposedly he was involved in. We just don't know the truth. But what I do know is the government tried to hide that email. Oh, of course they did. But I have to say that as the government, you have all these fires burning in all these directions and maybe they can't put out all the fires and they're going to say, okay, let's take this fire, for example, and let's let this guy have a little bit of, you know, we're going to allow him to do some of this stuff, but we're not going to allow this other guy to do any of this stuff.

I mean, because the government does do that. They don't care who you are. Yeah, I don't know. I just, I find it hard to believe, I guess, in my opinion, is that if this guy is going to go on News Nation, and maybe, and listen, to your point, maybe they let him go on News Nation because they think that people are not going to believe him anyway. Yeah, and that's what's happening. Yeah, let's just let him talk. And it's going to sound crazy as shit.

No one's going to believe him anyway. So let him say whatever he wants to say. And let's let him release this little egg-shaped video of whatever the hell this is. Yeah. And maybe they don't want people to believe him. And maybe it is true. Yeah, but I don't, I don't, you know, there's nothing. I will say this.

There's nothing about the egg-shaped video that makes me think it's a UFO from another whatever. There's nothing about it. Zero percent. I, I've not seen it. fly. I've not seen anything. If anything, it looks like a giant balloon egg-shaped thing that where they put it on the ground. And it rolls like it has air in it. But when you say balloon, I think it's just like a balloon with air. I don't think this is what that is. And it may not be. But I'm just saying it's just that's not a very credible video. Like everybody was like

ahead of the News Nation piece. They were like, oh my God, we're going to have disclosure. That's not disclosure. Okay. Well, maybe we need disclosure and they need to fly this thing. Yeah, well, that's not going to happen. But anyways, let's listen to some more of this episode. Is his team arrived too late? The hard drives containing the data had already been taken, and it became clear to Jake that not all was what it seemed, as his team set out to recover the missing data.

The next piece of intelligence that came through led us to a lake and high altitude lake, and we found the hard drives in a sealed steel container 25 feet underwater. Wow. Yeah. Someone's going through a lot of effort in order to hide these things. Hidden, but by whom? What began as a straightforward recovery mission proved to be anything but simple.

And Jake says things soon took a nefarious turn. At any stage, did you find yourself under threat? The very next time we went out, things got strange for me. And my spidey senses, my intuition was on high alert because our intel contact changed. The rhythm and style of our intel changed. As we got closer to the day in which we were going to deploy, intelligence kept changing. And so that raised my concern.

We ended up going anyway. And when we got there, the HVTs were gone. And it was clear that shots had been fired. shots fired? Whatever was on the computers was a secret so important it was worth fighting for. The situation had changed. And soon Jake says he realized his team was caught in the middle and their lives were on the line. You're in significant danger. Yeah. And I was concerned that we were being set up, we were being prepared for the one thing that we've always offered employers, and that is plausible deniability, and that we were perhaps going to be the hidden hand that gets severed.

Don Paul, a special forces veteran, was working on Jake's team at the time. Were you involved in any of the retrieval attempts? Yes. Was there a concern that you were being set up? potentially? Yes. Set up is a mild term. The fact that people have lost their lives

involved in this type of activity. And the links to which people have gone to suppress politically uncomfortable truths is such that there is risk involved. Do you think that, without naming them, the private aerospace company that retained you, decided to kill you? Somebody masquerading

as a representative of that company. Surely may have had that intention. Jake was convinced his former employer or someone posing as them was determined to kill him. But who exactly was calling the shots? Jake was determined to find out. Who were you working for?

It was obvious to us at least who the employer was, but they were now in question, in my mind, as being part of the problem. Jake was on the hunt, using his skills and vast network of contacts to determine just who was behind this shadow war fought over these missing hard drives. And he says the trail led him right to the top.

This past spring, Jake and his team were in Washington, D.C., conducting surveillance and eventually confronting one of their prime suspects. So I reached out to the director of security for the particular organization and set up a meeting with them. Because there was only two truths in my minds. Either they were complicit or they were compromised. What was his reaction? Was he nervous?

Oh, he was nervous. And so he told you to forget it. He said, you know, it's in our best interest to move on. If he had any knowledge at all, it was clear he's trying to distance himself from it. Jake was no closer to finding out who exactly wanted him dead. But he knew that he was no longer doing the mission he signed up for when he first enlisted, protecting Americans. To make it stop, he would need more than his hand-picked team. He would need Congress. He would need funding.

He would need to go public. And he would need us at News Nation to reveal our own startling UAP footage. that's next. All right. So that was the News Nation Jake Barber interview. Now, I don't know what I think about all this, right? I mean, I'm taking it in for all that's worth. I don't think this guy is completely full of shit.

I will say that right now. I think a lot of what he is saying is true. He has a lot of credible guys that are backing him up. And what does that mean? Does that mean that this all has to do with UFOs, non-human intelligence, aliens from another star system? I don't know. Do I think he is part of some type of government sciop that wants you to believe it's UFOs to kind of reverse your thinking of advanced technology? I don't also think that because I've always thought this. If the government had advanced technology to where they wanted to kind

of bolster their chest to the world, they would want at least people to think that's more than likely what it is more so than anything. But it seems like they want to go in some ways or at least whistleblower and all these people that are coming out want to go towards the UFO spiritual phenomenon connection of all of this stuff not all of it but some of it right and it still leaves some speculation to like what is the other stuff what is our advanced drones what is this and so i don't think that government would 100% want to hide advanced technology from the world because they want to bolster their dominance to the world that's what you want to do and especially as trump's coming into office and his administration you know how are we going to see

this topic change. Will Trump reveal things that we've never had revealed before? I know that Don Jr., Donald Trump's son wants to reveal a lot of stuff about UFOs, UAPs. And I think the big thing here is that we have to get out of this mindset constantly of thinking that everything is a sci-op. And I have seen this happen with the UFO community. I mean, and I'm talking about this has happened pretty fast.

I'm talking about over the past four years alone, either the UFO community has become completely assessable of people that just hate each other, coincidentally, or the past four years, some government entity or bots or mass disinformation campaigns has been a part of this to where they've utilized the public sentiment on various topics and various avenues to confuse people, disrupt the narrative, and cause fighting. And that's what I more than likely think it is. Now, does that mean that nothing we're seeing is advanced technology? No.

But does that mean that nothing we're seeing is also aliens or UFOs or non-human intelligence? I also don't think that. Yeah, I 100% agree. You also have to remember, too, is like if you're a God believer or a Bible believer or you believe in God, you believe there's a higher power, a higher energy, a higher thing that when you die, something else happens to you. Do you remember like when you go to church, or at least for me, when I would go to church growing up.

And I would go to church and I would hear all these things from the Bible. And then the older I got, I started to question so many things. Because as you get to like that 20 and 21 and 22 year old and 25 year old self, you start thinking about all the things you've learned throughout your life as far as the Bible goes and God and all these crazy stories in the Bible. And then you start thinking about like, well, the reason why I'm starting to like question this is because of how unbelievable it actually sounds. Right.

But then as life has progressed now, and then you start thinking about some of the actual things that we're talking about today, the Bible and God and angels and Jesus and all that stuff doesn't sound as unbelievable now as it ever has. It really doesn't. And then so the UFO topic and like non-human intelligence, advanced technology, spiritual beings and nature or even a lot of the stuff they're doing at CERN where they're trying to find this God particle. and maybe this other dimension. I think they found up to potentially 11 dimensions to where we live in a third and fourth dimension or time, third dimension, second dimension. When you experience like a ninth and tenth, 11th dimension

where you can harness the power of suns and galaxies and all this stuff, you start to see where God would exist. Well, you start to see where God would exist, but you also see where other beings, potentially those beings of God, whether they are angelic or demonic. And it could be both, by the way. It could very well be both because God in the Bible is... Could it be time travelers too, though.

Could be. I mean, and that goes, you know, in another realm. But I'm specifically talking about biblical stuff. You know, God talks about in the Bible or not God, but just historical text, they even talk about there will be spirits on the earth that abound the earth that are demonic, right? And these spirits are real. These spirits will influence decisions. They will interact with people.

They will influence lives. You would do all of these things. But then you also have all these stories, especially biblical stories, about these things that were seen in the sky that influence entire nations of people to go a certain ways, such as the Israelites, such as the people that left Egypt to go to Israel or Canaanite at that time. So where we talk about these UFOs sounds so unbelievable. You have to go back. If you think UFOs are so unbelievable, then you would also definitely have to think the God and the Bible and angels are definitely unbelievable. So you have to think of it that way. And so what I'm saying is is that the fact that this guy had an experience to where he was involved in the secretive programs to where they potentially went and picked up crash retrieval programs from either non-human intelligence, aliens, whatever.

And then he experienced these vast emotions during this process. And you're saying that sounds so crazy. Then you would have to absolutely say that everything in the Bible sounds crazy. Yeah, like Jonah and the whale, for example. It is very interesting. And I don't know what the exact concept of what we should be thinking about this is. All I'm saying is is that when you hear things like this, don't just completely discredit them. Because if you discredit this, you should just discredit everything that's ever in our historical text about any miracles or anything that have ever happened.

And for me, for one, you know, if you guys go and listen, I think his name is Wesley Hunt and went on Joe Rogan podcast where he's a biblical, historical, expert on the text of the Bible and kind of the history of the younger guy yeah the history of everything he actually went on and and debated oh my god I can't think of names right now but regardless guys really smart if you go historical text and you hear a lot of the same stories it's just one of those things you got to think about not everything that we think that we know in life is what we know and reality is not exactly what we think it is and so when you hear other people's story just because you think it's crazy doesn't mean it is and so that's kind of my thinking of this i don't know whether or not you know is this disclosure is this definitive proof of aliens no it's absolutely not

that um is it something that we should take in and understand and acknowledge absolutely and hopefully as time goes on especially as trump is in office dr stephen greer continues to say that we're going to have mass disclosure haven't seen that yet but we'll continue to watch for that um we're just going to have to see what happens. And until then, you know, let's just be wide open and awake to the potentials of what could be, right? I think that's the big thing. I think that's going to do it. We will be live tomorrow 930 a.m.

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