Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Nitsana Darshan Leitner Interview | Israel Hamas War | Top Israel Attorney

Episode Date: July 8, 2024

Nitsana Darshan-Leitner is an Israeli attorney, human rights activist, and the founder of Shurat HaDin – Israeli Law Center. As president of Shurat HaDin, she has represented hundreds of terror victims in legal actions against terrorist organizations and their supporters. Darshan-Leitner initiated a legal campaign to deprive terrorists of access to social media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter. Additionally, she played a key role in blocking the Gaza Freedom Flotilla.Nitsana has been recognized for her influence and impact, being named one of the 50 most influential Jewish people in the world by The Jerusalem Post and one of the 50 most influential Israeli women by Forbes Israel. In our interview with Nitsana Darshan-Leitner, we delve into the ongoing conflict involving Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. Sheri posed some challenging questions, aiming to gain insights from a leading Israeli attorney who has been actively combating these terrorist groups for many years. We hope you find the interview informative and engaging!

time before you go. I've been feeling this way for far too alone. Hello and welcome to Investigator's podcast. I'm your host Chad alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. On today's episode, we have a very special guest by the name of Netsana, Darshan, Leitner. Now, I was not able to actually make this interview. I had a lot of obligations that morning and scheduling was all over the place for those two weeks. But we did finally get her interview to Sherry alongside.

of her brother Bob. I think, by the way, Sherry did an amazing job interviewing her. Now, who Nitsana is? She is an Israeli attorney, humans rights activist, and the founder of the Sharad Haidin, which is in Israeli Law Center. And as the president of the Sharat Hadin, she has represented hundreds of terror victims and legal actions against terror organizations and their supporters. Leitner initiated a legal campaign to deprive terrorists of social media resources,

such as Facebook and Twitter. and she has assisted in blocking the Gaza Freedom Flotilla. Darshine Lightner was chosen as one of the 50 most influential Jews in the world by the Jerusalem Post and by the Forbes Israel as one of the most 50 influential Israeli women. Obviously, we have been decently critical of Israel throughout this podcast. And when the war between Israel and Hamas started, we talked about it predominantly more, obviously, on the Israel side. because you saw Hamas coming in, slaughtering civilians,

1,200 people died that day. And so it was a pretty obvious thing, at least from everything we had seen, right? And then as things started coming out and as things started coming out, we obviously questioned things. We recently did an episode about the Jerusalem post piece where it talked about that Israel and the IDF

potentially knew about the attack prior to October 7th. There was a lot involved in that. And Sherry did actually question her on that. I think she had a pretty good answer. I think actually, if you kind of listen to Nizana's take on this, and if you live in Israel or you are Jewish or you are just on that side of the fence, period, you have to at least understand kind of where Israel and people in Israel are coming from. When they talk about Hamas, they know about Hamas and their intentions and how much they actually do hate Jews.

And obviously there has been this mass push, especially since, I don't know, three or four or five months, across college campuses where they really wanted to try to drive a narrative to the general public of the United States that Israel is a terrorist state. They are the genociders. They are the peoples that are committed in these heinous atrocities. But if you really just kind of dig and especially someone like Netsana, that's her job. Her job is to go after terrorist organizations. She knows a lot about terrorist organizations that she works with.

So her opinion obviously is always respected. And, you know, I think the thing that we have to do on the state, podcast always is be transparent on both sides. It doesn't matter what side it is. I don't think there's ever one side of a story that is always correct. But what I will say is that if you look at the French elections, right, and you look at what's going on in Europe and you look at this mass immigration that has taken place all across Europe, it is single-handedly changing the countries. France is no longer France anymore. They have a far-left political party now that is taken over France. A lot of those are from the Middle East and from Northern Africa and all these other

countries. And any time you start putting people in places that they've never been and you start basically trying to drive out the people that were there, you're going to start having issues. So this issue in Israel, between Israel and Hamas and the surrounding countries, Hezbollah or the groups in these countries, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis, you name it. Eventually, that will happen in the United States. And I think it's already starting to happen in Europe. and I think that you have this big contention between religions. I think you have a big contention between culture, between all of this. And I think that this is a huge example of what happened between Israel and Hamas.

And although I do not know all the answers, right? I did listen to the interview through. Obviously, I had to edit a couple things. But Sherry, you did a good job. Well, thank you very much. That was my first interview without you. And I was extremely nervous, especially interviewing somebody of her stature. I think she explained a lot of stuff very well.

obviously when you hear something from that side, especially after we just got done doing a podcast about, hey, did Israel know about it? And, you know, there was a run on the markets around the time of October 7th and all that. And although I still do not know the answers completely to that, I do just hope that you guys listen to this with an open mind. I know that there's probably so many of you that have completely different viewpoints from one side to the other.

There are some people that are fully in support of Israel, and there are some people that are fully against Israel. And so we realized that, but it would be, it would be bad on us if we did not present both sides. And I think that's what we're doing here. And I think you did a good job. I think your brother did a good job. And hopefully we can get her back to kind of dig into some more things I have questions about, obviously.

But I did want to say, I think it's a great interview to listen to. We are finally back from vacation, guys. It is July the 8th. So we're recording this intro. Sherry, you recorded this episode a week or two ago. So we're finally getting it out. But guys, be on the lookout. We've got so many episodes to do.

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we have my brother Bob Steen with us and he's going to introduce our very special guest today thank you for both of you coming on this morning you bet hey sherry and thanks for having us on it's my high honor to introduce Nitsada Darshan Lightner

she's an Israeli lawyer and she's been in the fight against terrorism in Israel and around the world through her organization called Shirat Hadidin, which loosely translates into the Israeli Law Center. And it's our pleasure, I think, to be able to chat with Nizana a little bit to find out how Sharat Hadid works and how she has been able to use the law to help fight world and global

terrorism. So Nizana, thank you so much for being with us and welcome. Thank you for having me. So Nitsana, what got you involved with suing terrorist groups? Well, I live in Israel. And in the beginning of the Second Intifada, the year of 2000, I just finished law school. My colleagues finished law school as well. And we realize that while busters are getting blown up on the streets in Israel, suicide bombing, drive-based shooting, ambushes, people getting killed on a daily base.

we perhaps can play a role in the war against terrorism by doing what lawyers do best. Go after the pocketbooks of the terror organizations. And we decided to bring these terror organizations to court. Five losses against Hamas, Islamic Jihad, PLO, in the United States against Iran, against Syria, who financed the terror organizations. And after two years, we started winning in court. in court. We want judgments for hundreds of millions of dollars on behalf of the victims.

We want liens on Palestinians money and we collected assets. So we were approached by a secret unit in the Mossad called Harpoon, led by the legendary head of the Mossad, Mayor Dagan. That its goal was also to fight our financing. They had one goal to target terror money and to kill this money. And they approach us in the state, perhaps I can collaborate with us during all these operations that they were involved with, they received so much information and documentations that prove how the money is really going into the hands of the Palestinian organizations. Perhaps we can use this information, expand our activity, and file more lawsuits against

the organizations and their financial patrons. It was a separate unit until we wrote a book about it called Harpoon. And we obviously agreed, but they couldn't do it as private lawyers anymore. And we established Shurat Haddin, an nonprofit organization, to take all these hundreds of cases and file them in orderly manner in the courts around the world. That's amazing. Now, when you sue these people and you win the suits, how do you actually get the money from them? Some of them pay, believe it or not. Some of them sell the case out of court.

Banks that litigate these cases, settle the cases. The Palestinian Authority in the beginning was settling the cases. Today they refuse. So today we go after their tax money that Israel collects, and we execute our judgment against this funds. For those who totally refuse to pay, we go and assert third party liens on their assets. Iran, for instance, doesn't want to pay.

So we go and find bank accounts and assets that belong to the Iranian regime, like buildings. We have one in New York called 6th Fifth Avenue owned by the Iranian government being sold for $700 million. In the process, we go to the terror victims or any deal that Iran is involved with, like Boeing, trying to purchase 80 aircraft for 70, $17 billion from Boeing. We went to the court in Chicago, filed a motion for Eileen, say that we have a judgment against Iran. We are entitled to the Iranian money that will go into the Seals Court to the aircraft. So we were able to collect this way billions of dollars on behalf of the victims.

When we get the judgment, we just don't stop. We continue until we can actually enforce them. Now, I was reading that you know only work in Israel for people in Israel, but you do a lot of work in America. Is that predominantly where you're doing most of your work, or is it all over the world? It's mainly in the United States and Israel. In the United States, we file cases on behalf of American citizens. There are two laws in the United States that are enabling American citizens that were killed or injured in territory. tax abroad to file their losses in the United States against their organizations and their financial

veterans or against sovereign state when they are designated as their list in the watches of the State Department. And I was listening to one of your podcasts and you were saying that really you can only go after these terrorist groups as long as it's not a sovereign state. Is that correct? Yeah. Well, there are countries that Congress decided that because they are. are involved with terrorism, they should not enjoy sovereign immunity because they're not acting

like the sovereign state. So they stripped their immunity by an exception to the Seven Foreign Immunity Act. You can sue, therefore, Iran, Syria, North Korea, and Cuba. I think these are the only countries that are listed in the World Streets of the State Department. That's all. other than that, any company, any corporation, any organization, any uncooperated organization can be sued because none of them have sovereign immunity. You can sue the Palestinian Authority. You can sue Hamas, Islamic Jihad, you can sue Chisbalah, you can sue banks.

You can sue the social media platforms that are aiding and evading terrorism. Any of these things, you can sue it for it. Now, I was watching, too, that I can't remember who exactly you were suing, but they were doing a huge deal with Boeing. And you went after, I guess, the assets from when they were selling the crafts. I can't remember exactly. I'm sorry. Right, right, right. So we won a judgment against Iran.

On behalf of families that were killed in the Second Intifada in Israel, the terror attack was happened by Hamas. it perpetrated the attack, but we are able to prove that Iran is supporting Hamas, was supporting Hamas at the time, obviously continues to support them, and we are able to win a judgment for $378 million. Now, we took this judgment and filed a motion in the court in Chicago, where the Boeing has its headquarters, and asked to seize the assets in this deal. We wanted to seize either the Iranian money or the aircrafts that Iran was supposed to purchase.

And Boeing came and said, you can't really do that because if you put a lien on the deal, Iran will pull out of the deal, which might affect the nuclear agreements. The nuclear agreement with Obama signed it was back that in 2012 or 13. And that was a problem because the nuclear agreement is vital for the national security of the United States, and therefore, we are not entitled to put any lien on this deal. So the court was, I must say, very afraid. They approached the State Department to see what their position is, and the State Department came and said, we are not getting involved.

The victims can pursue their judgment against Boeing and continue with this proceeding. When Trump came to power, the nuclear agreement was canceled, so we had to put the proceeding on hold. But showing you that any deal that Iran was engaged with in the United States was open to lean or to enforcement or judgment against. So, Nizana, it seems like there's a pretty big fight with Hamas now. And eventually, it looks like Hezbollah is threatening to get in the game as well. Can you talk a little bit about what kind of actions you're looking at with Hamas directly? Or is there anything in the works with that? Yes.

So in the wake of October 7th, we were called to join the war and to find along with the IDF to defeat Hamas. And our way to do it was to choke off the flow of their money, to choke of their oxygen. And what we did is when first and foremost and final lawsuit against a Palestinian authority that gives $1 billion to Hamas annually. You may think that because of the gap between them and the fight between them, Mahmoud Abbas, the head of the Palestinian Authority, will not fund. Hamas in Gaza, but he keeps doing it because he sees it as part of the Palestinian Authority as a whole. And he knows that if you want to have one day a Palestinian state, it won't be able

to happen if we have two separate parts, one in Judean Samaria and one in Gaza. They give them $1 billion. And this money goes to pay everything in Gaza, the electricity and the water, the gas and the health system and the education system and the municipalities and the salaries. Now, Hamas is the government in Gaza. He collects the tax money from the residents of Gaza. He's supposed to pay for all the things I mentioned before. If somebody else pays for it, it frees Hamas $1 billion to divert to its military operation. And this is how they were able to build their underground tunnels, 750 kilometers long,

seven floors down in the ground. You can drive a truck inside them. And this is how they were able to bring into Gaza tens of thousands of missiles and rockets and manufacture explosives in Gaza itself $1 billion a year. So that has to stop. And we find a major loss against the Palestinian Authority and against Hamas right after October 7. In addition, we are engaged with litigation against the Red Cross

that refused to come and visit the hostages. You know, Hamas is holding now 120 hostages, but back then it was 250, and yet refused to give any information about them and the Red Cross job, or more correctly obligation, according to the international law, is to come into armed conflicts and

pursue the rights of the prisoners from each side. And whereas the demand that Israel will let them go and visit the Nohba terrorists, the Hamas terrorists that Israel detains now, they refuse to do the same thing with Hamas. They refuse to go and

visit the Israeli hostages in captivity. And it's like a policy From the day of the Holocaust, the Red Cross refused to go and visit the Jews in the concentration camps because I saw it as an internal German problem. Today, if you open their website, you will see an apology. The Red Cross regrets. Maybe it was a mistake not to go and visit the Jews in the concentration camps. I don't want to open the website in a couple of years and see an apology, a regrets, that they didn't go and visit the hostages. right now in captivity.

And we also involved with the lawsuits against UNRWA. Again, on behalf of the victims, UNRWA, participated in the massacre, UNRWA, keeps, missiles, and launchers in their facilities, in their schools, in their kindergartens, in the medical clinics. They have tunnels underneath their facilities. So we sued UNRWA.

And we also went to the International Criminal Court to bring indictments against Hamas leaders, but not for the murder, and not from the mutating, and not for the be hiding, and not for burning people alive, but for the rape. Sexual assaults, horrible sexual assaults

that committed in October 7 and still commit against our... female hostages in captivity. Now, I have two questions about Hamas, and one of them is, as far as the civilians there, are they in support of Hamas? And my second question is, was Hamas elected in as far as the leadership in Gaza? So if you run a poll, and many people did, in Gaza, you will find that 75% of the population in Gaza support Hamas.

75% are happy with the results of the massacre, are happy for what Hamas did on October 7th. By the way, it's not only in Gaza, it's also in Judea and Samaria. Also, the residents in the Palestinian Authority, very happy, actually 80% of them higher rate than in Gaza are supporting Hamas and are very, very happy with the mass.

massacre. Hamas was elected, Hamas was elected democratically in 2006 in Gaza. They had elections. Hamas won. And then it took over

the government in total. They threw out the representatives of the PLO in the government. It threw them actually out from the roofs of the buildings. They really dropped them. And And since then, they control the Gaza Strip.

Now, they run elections from time to time, but there is nothing to change. They are the ruler in Gaza. So since 75% of the people are in favor of Hamas, then I guess how do the Israeli citizens feel about, you know, how Israel is going in and not only going after Hamas, but killing many civilians that are in the Gaza Strip? So Israel does not kill civilians in the Gaza's ship. Israel kills terrorists or attack military targets. And then civilians are getting killed as a result of collateral damage. When Hamas surrounds themselves with civilians, with women, children, men and women. And Hamas launch war or launch missiles or launch attacks from these areas.

Israel has a right to attack the Hamas. Now, according to the international law, Israel needs to take some steps. They need to warn the population. They need to ask them to vacate the area. They need to allow them a path. perhaps even to vacate the area. And this is what Israel did. Israel dropped flyers and liquids from airlines to the Gaza Strip,

calling people to vacate the houses. They made phone calls. They sent SMS. They were calling for people to vacate the area. Once Israel did that, Israel is not responsible anymore for the casualties in Gaza. And this is what the world needs to understand. Israel will never go and target civilians directly.

Israel is not a organization. Israel is not Hamas. Hamas came and directly mass-acred women, beheaded babies, burned people alive, raped women, butchered people. Israel does not do that. Israel in order to defend itself must destroy the Hamas terrorists. And because the Hamas terrorists do not care about the population in Gaza.

And because Hamas terrorists insist to use the population as human shields, any collateral damage that occurred is on the shoulders of Hamas, not on the shoulders of Israel. Yeah, and it seems like the media portrays Israel of being the ones that are at fault as far as all these civilians being killed. But I 100% understand what you're saying. What do you think the benefit was for Hamas to come in and do this terrorist attack? What were they trying to accomplish by doing this? Because they knew Israel was going to retaliate.

Yeah. Well, they wanted to push the Palestinian issue into the public. opinion. What happened was that Israel was close very, very much to peace agreement with Saudi Arabia. And, you know, whereas we have the Abram Accords, when we signed peace agreement with the Emirates, Dubai, Doha, and all that, yet a peace agreement with Saudi Arabia, which is a major Islamic country, it's a great victory. This is something that is a game-changing. in the Middle East. And during this negotiation,

and in the terms of this peace agreement, the Palestinian issue was dropped to the corner. Nobody talks about a Palestinian state. Nobody talks about the rights of the Palestinians. They were totally neglected. So the way to bring back the attention to the Palestinian issue for Hamas was to do this action. Take Iran, but also watch it.

and seeing that United States is getting closed to Saudi Arabia and also is about to close a deal with them, wanted to interrupt this deal and send its proxy Hamas to carry out this massacre. Iran's plan was to use both Chisbalah and Hamas to carry out a cintilian attack. But Hamas, for some reason, decided to make it early. than the designated date and therefore

Hezbollah did not participate in a real massacre, was angry at Hamas that just did it on his own but felt committed to help Hamas and this is why they're only in a quotation mark

only shooting missiles towards Israel but not invading Israel. They're not using the Radwan forces, their command of forces, as the plan was to invade Israel and to carry out a similar massacre, the same one, Hamas. Now, as far as the Gaza Strip and the civilians, are they considered refugees or is that actually their country? And I was also reading, you know, countries that surround that strip will not even let these people into their

countries. Yeah. Well, what happened was that in the independence war in Israel in 1948, the Arab Leeds and the Arab nations that fought the Jews in Israel told the population, the Arab population in Israel, to vacate their houses because they didn't want them to get killed in the battles. They told them, go out of your houses. Don't get so far. Just go. Just go around Israel, and when we finish the war, and when we heal all the Jews, you'll be able to come back to your houses. So the majority of the population in Israel, the Arab population in Israel, left 600,000 out of 750,000, just left their homes and went. Not so far. They went to Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, the West Bank, which was annexed by Jordan, and to Gaza, which was part of Egypt.

All these refugees are still refugees in these areas. Why? Because instead of helping them, instead of the UN, helping them to get integrated into society and start a new page in their life because they're refugees. And instead of the UN agency for high commission refugees, taking care of these refugees, as they do all over the world, the UN decided to establish a special agency for the Palestinian refugees that will help them to find work and relief. It's called UNRWA, United Nations Work and Relief Agency.

But Umra, in her state of mind, was that these refugees should not go and get citizenship in the countries where they are, or go and work and find jobs, or go and marry the other people. This refugees has to remain refugees because there will be one day that they will have to go home, back home in their houses in Israel, in Tel Aviv, in Jaffa, in Haifah, in Haif, And until then, they cannot become suddenly citizens of other countries. This is why these people, these refugees, are still refugees until today. Not only then, there are children and great children and great children for a generation. This is the definition of refugee in the UNRRA regulations. If you are a son or an heir of a refugee, you are also a refugee. you are also a refugee.

So 75% of the population in Gaza are refugees that fled from Israel in 1948 and settled in Gaza in refugee camps. That's amazing. Now, as far as what you were talking about, and I totally agree with the whole thing with this proxy war is between really Iran and Israel. And they're using these terrorist groups as a proxy. Am I correct? Yes. Chisbalah and Hamas are proxies of Iran.

Like the hood is in Yemen are also a proxy of Iran. Like Shi' militias in Iraq are also proxy of Iran. Iran doesn't launch a war directly with its enemies. It's always, always, always using proxies. They've never involved with a direct war. And it's so bizarre to me that we just gave. Iran millions of dollars right before they came into Israel and did this horrific attack. Like, I feel like it was almost this attack was brought on by America because we gave them money.

Unfortunately, the current administration does not differ between the bad guys or the good guys. And it's really hard for me to understand because in the end of the day, Iran is number one's enemy of United States. Chisbalah, which is the prophecy of Iran, commuted atrocities in Beirut, in Lebanon, against American Marines, against American soldiers, against the American embassy.

Chisbalah, if it had the opportunity, would have come to the United States and commit massacres against the residents there. And Hamas the same. And you see that the hootis in Yemen are shooting and obstructing American boats, American ships and attacking American bases. So Iran that calls United States the Great Satan, most of Israel the small statement, cannot receive any financial aid from the United States. States to sanction Iran that has a nuclear that is reaching a nuclear power to destroy the Western

world. Iran says it clearly. It says it bluntly. Its goal is to make the world a pan-Islam state, one Arabic state. Why United States cannot read that? How can not read that? How can they ignore these threats. And you know what? I can't blame Iran because Israel did the same mistake. When Israel heard that Hamas is saying over and over again that they want to destroy the state of Israel, that their goal in life is to kill Jews, that their treaty is talking only about one thing, about one thing. The whole treaty is to destroy the state of Israel. Israel didn't believe that. Israel didn't believe it.

And they let Hamas thrive. And they let Hamas continue controlling the Gaza Strip. And they let Hamas get funding from Qatar and from elsewhere. And they let the Gaza come and work in Israel because they wanted to help the Hamas to continue controlling the Gaza Strip. So sometimes us, Western countries, cannot accept, don't want to believe that there are such evil out there that really want to kill you, that really wants to destroy you. And United States has to wake up. Now that all this is happening in Lebanon, do you think Israel is going to focus more of their intention

towards them and maybe stop so much in Hamas? Are they going to continue until they get all the hostages back? Israel now is in the final steps in the war in Gaza. We took over most of the street, and there is only Rafa left. And in a week or two, Israel will conquer the Rafa totally. They already took over the Philadelphia road. So basically, we are. controlling Gaza now.

Yet, the work is not done because we still have hostages, and we have to continue with military operations to get them out because there will be no deal. Hamas's condition to release hostages by a deal is for Israel not only to stop the war, but actually to vacate Gaza to take the idea out of Gaza and to let Hamas keep controlling the Gaza street,

which something Israel cannot agree to if they want to keep existing. So the war is about to end in its greatest step. Now Israel needs to go and take care of the

northern part of the country. And this is a big dilemma. because if Israel launched a war against Hezbollah, Chisbalah is going to shut thousands of missiles into Israel. It's not going to be only in the north. It's going to be in the heart of the country. It's going to be long-range, very big, heavy missiles that can destroy buildings in the heart of the country

at the airport, at the electric company, in all our vital facilities, hospitals and others. And I'm not sure the is prepared for such a war. On the other hand,

on the other hand, I mean, this would bring like, you know, thousand of casualties or maybe tens of thousand casualties in Israel because the iron dom system which we develop and we are proud is only we're going to protect only the vital facilities of Israel we're going to protect the airport the military bases the electric company but there is a limit to how many systems of iron tongue we have on the other hand Hizbalah is shooting rockets into the north. We have 80,000 residents that are vacated from their houses

cannot go back and live in the community there because Hizballah is a threat. And Hizballah promised that they are not going to stop the war as long as the war in Gaza continues. So this will not stop. And I think that Israel will never have another opportunity to really destroy Chisbalah or to try to destroy Chisbalah. You have to understand that after 2006, after the second Lebanese war, Chisbalah signed an agreement that they will disarm from their missiles and ammunition and take step back beyond the Littani River. not be close to the border with Israel.

Instead, Hezbollah armed itself to death, basically in Hebrew. He just received hundreds of thousands of missiles and rockets from Iran that now he was free to bring into Lebanon. So there is an explosive material that Hezbollah is sitting on that they can launch against Israel in any given time, in any given day once they receive the order from Iran.

If not now, Israel will never have an opportunity to destroy this, or at least to harm it as much as possible. It's true that Israel legitimacy in the world is reducing as long as the war in Gaza continues. But we still have some legitimacy. to go against Hezbollah in the north. Because no other country, no other country, will agree, will accept thousands of missiles

shooting towards it and killing people. These are accurate missiles. These are accurate explosive that Hezbollah is shooting and literally killing people. So in two weeks, the leadership in Israel will have to make a very tough decision whether we're going to a war or not.

How do the civilians of Israel feel about that? Do they feel like they need to go ahead and go to war? Or would they rather just see a, I don't know, peaceful agreement? Or is it kind of like Hamas where you have to pretty much get rid of Hamas in order to live and not fear your life? Well, the people in Israel obviously want to win over these terror organizations.

He can't leave next to a terror organization that feels free any time to shoot rockets towards you and to send troops to invade the country and kill you. I'm talking about Hezbollah from the north. And they want once and for all to try to get rid of this threat. As far as Gaza, there is no dispute in Israel that Hamas has to be destroyed. It's not even a revenge. It's something that Israel needs for its survival. People in Israel on October 7 felt that Hamas invaded their.

houses, not only the envelope communities, not only the communities along the border of Gaza, not only those who really were messengers. Everyone in Israel feels humiliated, invaded, invaded, murdered, raped. What Hamas did on October 7th is 40 times what al-Qaeda, in September 11. So everyone, everyone once Yichia Sinoirs had hanged on a tree

in Gaza. And until then, we call the IDF, we call the leadership in Israel to finish the war. It's not easy, it's not simple. Yichia Sinoir is probably surrounded by our hostages and therefore Israel, although they know where he is, cannot really go and kill him. And as long as Hamas is alive, the war will continue.

So Israel needs to do anything they can in order to kill as many terrorists and destroy as many units and battalions of Hamas and destroy their infrastructure. But it's very clear that Israelis want this war. to end with a victory. Regarding the North, it's a problem. I'm telling you the truth, very frankly. Nobody wants to see here thousands or tens of thousands of casualties.

We are not prepared. We want hundreds, if not thousands of soldiers to be killed in a war in the North. but it seems like there is no other way. And in the end, we did sign an agreement with Hezbollah. We signed it in 2006. The agreement that Amos Hochstein is trying to reach now with Hezbollah or with the government on Lebanon is similar.

It's a copy paste of the agreement. Chisbalah signed in 2006. So who guarantees us that Venezuela will keep to sign the agreement? There is no, you know, you're signing an agreement with a terror organization. It's not logic. It's not real. A terror organization does not respect, does not honor any agreement. And it's really, really difficult, but,

Israel is in a huge, a huge problem. We feel that this is the most difficult times we've been in since the beginning of the States. How does Israel feel about the support of America? Do you guys feel like we're backing you as much as we should or not? The reason why I ask is I was watching on our local news that Israel was saying we were not sending the arms that we were supposed to be sending. How in a whole does Israel feel about the support of

America? Do you think we're doing what we need to do or do you think there's something else we should be doing? So in the beginning when President Biden called Benjamin Netanyel, the Prime Minister, and encourage him and supporting him and not only supporting him, came over

in the time of a war, something unprecedented, and sent two aircrafts two aircraft carriers to sit in the border with Lebanon warning Chisbalah or Iran not to even think about joining the war and gave the famous speech of don't. He's actually been blocking Israel to finish the war, to continue with the goal of the war, which is destroying Hamas and releasing the hostages, by putting conditions, by not providing Israel with the arms that they need with the bombs that we need in order to continue on in order to finish the war. And Biden thought that by limiting or holding Israel's hands back, it probably will force it to go into a hostage release.

or get somehow to finish this conflict by an agreement. But the other side, which is Hamas, does not agree to finish it with an agreement. The only agreement Hamas agrees to is if Israel stopped the war and vacate their forces from Gaza. So Israel, first of all, cannot afford this. Second, Hamas swore to do October 7th again and again and again. So there is no choice for Israel now, but to destroy Hamas. Indeed, there are casualties in the Palestinian side. We are all aware of, and we are aware of the horrible pictures coming out from Gaza,

from the destruction and death and whatever they have over there, which can be heartbreaking. But the world forgot these terrible pictures or perhaps has never seen this terrible picture of babies being slaughtered

and push into an oven and turn the oven on and terrorists torturing parents in front of their children and children in front of their parents to the extent that children say, kill me. me, I don't want to live anymore.

And people did not see the brutality in the rape act that Hamas took. Israel was afraid to release this picture because they didn't want to hurt the families of the victims.

It was a big mistake. It's a big mistake because the world doesn't see the contra pictures to the destruction of Gaza. Israel did not go to this war voluntarily, Israel did not open this war. This war was forced on Israel by brutal terrorization. And therefore, we have to kill and destroy the terrorists. And Biden,

by holding us back, not allowing us to finish the job to go into Rafa. For months after we took over Han Yunus, we could have just go simply to Rafa and finish with it. And he held us back and he didn't let us go in because of other interests and other conditions that he put. So with all due respect, President Dynan, you want to be remembered as the one who stood to the right side. You want to remember in the history as the one that helped the state of Israel to survive. Do what you need to do. Release the bombs, release the ammunition that we need, and let us finish the job. Now, I want to ask you a question about we, over here in America, saw A Post from Jerusalem Post,

saying that it was possible that the cabinet Israel already knew about this Hamas attack before it happened and that they chose to look the other way. And we had been discussing, did they choose it? Did they know? And as a matter of fact, I think it was Flint from Trump's cabinet said they even knew the exact date that this attack was supposed to happen and did nothing to stop it. Have you heard anything like that? No, no, no. There is no chance that Israel knew that Hamas will invade with 3,000 terrorists into Israel and we succeed into it. What is like knew? I'm sorry, it was just weird because we saw this in the Jerusalem Post. No, I'll tell you what they know. I'll tell you what the report say.

Israel knew that Hamas's intention is to invade Israel. And indeed, from 2018, from what they call the March of Return, Hamas pushed a lot of residents into the border with Israel. In order to invade Israel, they pushed children and women. actually they paid the women, they paid the children to go and invade Israel. So Israel knew that Hamas wants to go into the communities in Gaza to kidnap residents, to kill residents, and then to negotiate a prisoner release seal as they always did. So they saw Hamas terrorists train to invade Israel.

They saw it for six years. all the time on the border there were attempts to go into Israel. They were attempts to cut the fence. They were attempts to invade in this way or another. But Israel did not

expect that Hamas will do it in 30 different points along the fence. And Israel did not believe that the surveillance, that they build this

fence, which we paid $2 billion for, with high technology, with cameras, with sensors, with anything on earth that you can just imagine that intends to block any type of invasion into Israel, collapse, totally neutralized, and Hamas just came with masses into Israel. So where Israel did expect invasions from Hamas, they did not expect such masses, such successful attack against Israel. And it's true that there were reports by intelligence officers, low-rank intelligence officers, that actually predicted such an attack. and because they saw it was very, very intense the training of Hamas and the tries, repeated tries to go into Israel.

So they wrote a report and brought it to the head of intelligence, but the head of the intelligence disregarded this report. They say there is no chance, no chance, that Hamas will succeed in such an invasion. And this is why the head of intelligence resigned two months ago because he's the first one to be blamed for this massacre, for ignoring the warning that came from his soldiers. Now, we're part of the attack on October 7th.

When I was watching the footage on the news, it looked like many of these guys didn't even look like they were military style. They almost looked like they were in civilian clothes with maybe like a Hamas scarf around their head. Do you think it was civilians as well as Hamas military? 100%. Of course.

The attack on Israel was done in three waves. The first wave was the Nukba terrorists. These are the elite commando unit of Hamas. They are very, very well trained. They went to Iran to train.

The Iran trained them. They knew exactly how to do. They had information before if there is an attack from Gaza where the IDF troops are coming from the north in order to block the invasion. So they were standing in the junctions

where they predicted the idea forces will come and were able to stop any help coming from the north. And then the second wave came. And the second wave wasn't regular terrorists of Hamas, those who were green ribbon. And they came into the communities, into the Kibbutzim, into the Nova Festival, and murdered and raped and kidnapped people.

But then the rumor was spread in Gaza that there is an opportunity to go and kill Jews. People were calling on the mess, on the streets. Come into Israel, invade into Israel. It's free, it's open. Come and do your atrocities. And people came. Thousands of Palestinians residents came

and participated in the massacre and raped and murdered and burned and mutilated and beheaded. Therefore, in Israel we say there are no uninvolved people in Gaza because they all participated in the massacre. They all supported the massacre. They all cheered when the people were coming with hostages.

They saw it as well. a great victory. Right. And when they say C to C, they're not only talking about, you know, killing Jews, but it's also they're hating America. And I think many Americans don't understand this. Like when I see all these protests going on all over the world, especially in America at these college campuses, and I see these protests, I just don't understand at all. What is in their mindset? What do they not understand? It's not that they just hate Israel. They hate Americans do and they're protesting in America. I don't get it.

That's why. You know, I can blame everything on the progressive movement and I can blame it on the walk culture and all that, but it really doesn't make sense. I just believe that these students are ignorant. Not for their fault. If you study in a university that mostly funded but Qatar, and the studies are adopting the Palestinian narrative, and professors are teaching you that the Jewish state should be alienated

and should be a boycott, and the Jews are war criminals, and the IDF is killing babies, and you can't even contradict it. So the masses of the students will go and protest against Israel. Indeed, they were shocked for one day on October 7th, but in the end, they feel that maybe the Jews deserve it. I mean, after all we learn about how evil the state of Israel is. So perhaps Hamas, which is the depressed part in this conflict,

could do this and should have done it. And if I look overall at the American society, I see very bad things that did not happen before. I see the black community getting up and not standing on their rights, but violating their rights to act violently, to rob, stores and to take things without paying and feeling that they are the ruler of the country.

They were a minority, but now the minority have more rights than the majority. And if it's just the blacks, you can see it with the Muslims as well. So the Muslims raised heads, and they said, we are the minority, but no, no, no, no. according to what floods the United States right now and the war culture, we suppose to be the rulers. And the minority feels like they should be the majority. And this is how it comes to Israel and Hamas. Hamas is a minority.

The Palestinians are minority. No, they should rule over Israel. And this is the reason why you see protests calling from the river to the sea. Palestine will be free adopting the narrative of the Palestinians. Sherry, there's so much more we could talk about. I mean, we don't want to, I mean, we could keep this on for hours and hours talking about this. But the one thing that I think I wanted to ask is for those Americans who want to be on the right side, how can Americans help Israel, how can Americans help,

Shirata Dean and are there ways to learn more about this fight against global terrorism and terrorist activities against both Israelis and American citizens in Israel and as the fight is surely going to come to the United States? How can we find out more and how can we help? So first of all, I just wanted to mention that in Shirata Dean, we filed a lawsuit against SJP against student for justice in Palestine because we see them as an arm of Hamas and therefore should pay for the atrocities of Hamas. And we also sued Harvard University for allowing this escalating anti-Semitism to reach their campuses.

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Learn what we do. join the fight, subscribe to our mailing list, and teach yourself really be wise again about the conflict, about what Israel is going through now. The people of Israel has always been through catastrophes, always, for thousands of years. In the Inquisition, we had to convert and in the programs, we had to run away. In the Holocaust, we could have even run away, but we got up of our ashes and we built a stake. And now we are not running away. Now we are fighting back. And everybody that will join Israel in this fight will be on the right side of the history, because ultimately, in the end of the day, Israel is going to win.

Amen. All right. Well, Anana, thank you so much for joining us. I don't know if we can get you to back and there's so many other topics to talk about from the International Criminal Court. We'd love to have you back. Yes. Thank you so much for joining us. Absolutely. And I have learned so much this hour speaking with you. So I really do appreciate your time and thank you so much for coming on.

Thank you for having me. Okay. Until next time then. Thank you, and it's on you. Bye-bye.