Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Oklahoma City Bombing Conspiracy: Was It a False Flag?

Episode Date: September 8, 2026

Tonight on Investigate Earth, we’re revisiting one of the most controversial episodes from our archives: the Oklahoma City bombing. Timothy McVeigh was convicted and executed, but decades later, questions still surround what happened on April 19, 1995, including claims of additional suspects, intelligence failures, conflicting witness accounts, and theories that the full story was never told. We’re rereleasing this episode ahead of tomorrow night’s 9/11 discussion because both events continue to fuel debate over government investigations, official narratives, and alleged cover-ups. Was Oklahoma City exactly what authorities said it was, or are there still unanswered questions worth examining?Visit our merch store.. NEW MERCH

Hey guys, welcome to Investigator's podcast. I wanted to give you guys a quick heads up. This is a re-release episode from a couple of years ago, but it's very important, and I want you guys to listen to it even if you have listened to it before, because number one, this episode is about the Oklahoma City bombings. Now, tomorrow night, we're going to have a new released episode on 9-11, on the new files, and some tidbits that most people are not talking about whatsoever right now that is in those files. Now, we did just have a 9-11 episode about a month ago with Richard Gage from architects and

engineers for 9-11 Truth. He now is part of Richard Gage 9-911.org. He did an amazing job breaking down everything as far as why this did not happen the way they have tried to make you believe it happened. But I think the Oklahoma City bombings are very comparable. And so in this episode, we kind of break down all of the conspiracies, but more so why what they tell you happen even with Oklahoma City wasn't true

whatsoever, why they knew about why it was an inside job, and it seems like this just keeps happening. So we wanted to re-release this. Yes, we have been busy over the past few days, but I do think this is very important, especially listening to this now before and

ahead of tomorrow night's episode. So enjoy. We will talk to you guys tomorrow. To investigate Earth podcast, I'm your host, Chad, alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. I hope everyone is doing fantastic this evening. Me too. We are doing fantastic.

We've done a lot of research for today's podcast, and I'm really excited. I just hope I don't miss it up. You know how I do. We hope we don't jumble it all up because it's funny because things like this, when you do so much research, all of these things are everywhere. And it just runs together in your brain, and you can't really make your own timeline and putting it all together. It's just there's so much information to be told. So hopefully, guys, I don't screw up. But if I do, you know that's Sherry.

No, look. I have just as much of a chance, if not more, this time around. So it will be fine, though. Yeah. I'm going to turn my mic volume just a little bit up. All right, guys. So this is the Oklahoma City bombing podcast. Now, I will give you a little brief history of, so this was in 1995, or it was April 19, 1995.

And so I was 11 years old when this happened. and I remember plain as day the bombing happening. I remember the subsequent arrest and even everything leading up to it. I even remember his execution. I remember the official media narrative around the Oklahoma City bombing. It kind of, it's one of those times in history of the United States that you go back to almost as if 9-11, almost the same, but not quite. Right. It's not as big as 9-11 to me and my memory.

But at that time it was, I mean, that time it was the big. biggest bombing until up until 9-11. And especially, you know, the trials were all done in Denver, Colorado. And at the time, that's where I was living. So it made a lot of news. But it's interesting that you said, you know, comparing it to 9-11. After, like, final reports finally came out, did you know two weeks after that is when 9-11 happened? Yeah, that's crazy.

Yeah, that's just another one. Yeah, they had to move along, man. They had to get some new going. I know that sounds bad. but we got a 9-11 one coming up soon too, but we figured we'd go into the, to the Oklahoma City bombing first because... Yeah, it really plays a part first in all this.

Yeah, it may. And at the very least, you know, there's going to be something that you're probably going to hear me or both of us say throughout this night is that in some ways, we believe this was the official almost declaration, and this is just a paper. opinion, but official declaration of the government's war on its people.

Right. And it was their way of finding a way to further control people. It was their way to initialize acts that would, in turn, strip away constitutional rights and at least start the march towards tyranny. So if you kind of look back to 95 and then you look at yourself now in 2022 here in the United States of America and you say, well, there's no way. Well, obviously. I mean, 2022 and everything crazy does happen in this country. And I know a lot of you listening around the world are probably saying, well, my country's crazy too. And I get it.

But just from the United States perspective and everybody's like, where did this come from? How did we get here? Well, I think 1995 in Oklahoma City bombing was one of the first major steps. Now, the government has been involved in many things previously. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know, the one thing I go back to over and over again. Operation Northwood.

Nope. Oh, no. MLK. But close, yeah. Well, yeah, Operation Northwood was a major one. But yeah, Martin Luther King and the fact that they had a four-week trial that determined that the government was involved in Martin Luther King's death. Right. But yet everybody celebrates Martin Luther King, which they should.

And everybody always has MLK Day. But should on MLK Day people, more people not be going out there and talking about what. Yes. And say you killed him? Yes. I mean, because it was a actual trial that went on. And Loretta Scott King, is that her name? Mm-hmm.

Hope I'm right there. You know, she was part of that. She overheard testimony. There were four weeks worth of witnesses and testimony. And it was determined in this trial. The government was responsible for Martin Luther King's death. We've talked about that many times. But nobody knows that.

No, I mean, if you go and ask most people on Martin Luther King Day, hey, You know who killed Martin Luther King? You know, they're going to never say the government, and they're never even going to know about the trial even happened. Right. And that is the power of the media. And the media jumped on the Oklahoma City bombing thing as well that helped the government. And there's one thing, if anything, of all these conspiracies that we have to remember is how heavily involved the media is. Because without the media, then there is no narrative.

And so if it was just a free press. to where everyone could say whatever they wanted to. The government had no control over media. You know, we think media isn't just now corrupt. No, it's been corrupt for a long time. It's just way worse now. But it's gotten so bad that so many people see through it now. You know, and it's like that's why CNN's ratings are just tumbling.

It's why all these ratings are tumbling except for the ones that are speaking out about the truth and what's really going on. And those are the media and those are people that are really targeted right now. And that's why we have huge censorship. And that's what's so weird about it is back then there was one news agency that reported the truth and never changed the truth. Where all the other media agencies, you know, in the morning they were reporting the truth. But by afternoon, all their media stories had changed. Oh, you know who one of our favorites, old was involved in this? Who?

Alex Jones. Yeah. Oh, Alex Jones, man. But it just shows you how the media, you know, the media goes into what the government wants them. to do or say the government wants them to do or say but there was one particular channel four that did not change the story and things ended up happening to them actually after all that since they wouldn't change their story the new york times bought out channel four and fired everybody after the oklahoma bombing because they would not change their narrative of what

happened on the bombing that makes complete sense i mean that's what happens so you're either going to be the media that follows the government or you're you're not going to be the media that follows the government or you're going to get fired is pretty much what happened yeah and you know and and and and when you are given the opportunity to be bought out or forced them to being bought out it could be either or but you know news agencies like that they're not going to they're not going to block it whatever the buyout deal was and and more than likely government probably funded new york times to buy them out so how this works all right guys so before we get into the to the deep depths of this and and i think we can get this in in one episode if for some reason that

we feel like we're talking so much on maybe half of it. We'll make this a part too, but we'll see what happens. I do want to say thank all of you guys for listening. We say that all the time, but thank you guys so much. Your support means everything to us. And for those of you don't want to reach out to us, we always encourage all of you to go check out our Facebook, go follow us on Facebook, share our podcast episodes. That helps us dramatically, but also it helps people to hear the truth and hear what's

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Well, it's funny, as I was telling Sherry, it's like, now I was telling Sherry, like our Facebook, we never, like most of our people never see our posts because Facebook blacklist us for almost everything. And I guess Oklahoma City Bombs is old enough now they don't give a damn about it. So they just, they don't care. It's not a key word. They forgot that one. So, yeah, so we're getting a lot of shares on that one. So you guys keep sharing. Hopefully it'll be like an awesome podcast and you'll love it.

So let me tell you guys the official narrative. Of the Oklahoma City bombing is how you guys would look it up. It's how you guys have probably heard it on the media. Probably hear how you guys, if you were born in 95 or before, is how you heard it. And just to give you perspective, this is when President Clinton was in office, just to kind of give you perspective of your own life. And there could potentially be some Clinton ties to all this as well, which is interesting. I don't remember that part. I do.

Maybe you do. Okay. So the Oklahoma City bombing, just to give you an overview, was a what they did. the government is calling a domestic terrorist truck bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma on April 19, 1995. They say it was perpetrated by two anti-government extremists with white supremacist, right-wing terrorist sympathies, Timothy McVeigh, and Terry Nichols. The bombing happened at 9.02 a.m. It killed at least 168 people, injured more than 680 others, and destroyed more than 1,3rd of the bill. building, which had to be demolished.

The blast destroyed or damaged 324 other buildings within a 16 block radius. It shattered glass and 258 nearby buildings and destroyed or burned 86 cars. It caused an estimated $652 million worth of damage. Local, state, federal, and worldwide agencies engaged in extensive rescue efforts in the wake of the bombing. The Federal Emergency Management Agency, or FEMA activated 11 of its urban search and rescue task forces. consisting of 665 rescue workers who assisted in rescue and recovery operations. The Oklahoma City bombing remains the deadliest act of terrorism in the U.S. history other than 9-11. So it was the biggest bombing.

Well, it is the biggest bombing probably, but as far as, well, that's to be debated. And I just want you to think about those numbers that Chad just rattled off. Keep that in your mind as we go through this because that makes. That's a really important information right there. How many things it actually destroyed. How many cars? How many buildings around? How many windows were shattered?

How many people were killed? How many people were injured? Keep those numbers in your mind as we go through this podcast. Now, what I do want to mention here is that, you know, according to Wikipedia, the attack type was right-wing terrorism, is what they're calling it, which I don't believe he was right-wing. I believe Timothy McVay, if anything, was probably a libertarian extremist. He was an extremist. Yeah, but a libertarian extremist.

He hated government. He was in a militia. Yeah, he hated government. And usually you don't call those people right-wing extremists. You usually call those people extremists against the government or libertarians. Yeah, whatever you want to call anti-government, but he was like extreme anti-government. But he did hang out with a lot of white supremacists. They say that he used an A-N-N-N-M fertilizer truck bomb.

He was also found, which we'll talk about in a minute, with a Glock 21 Gen 2, which was not used in the attack, but he was found with that illegally carrying a weapon when he was stopped. We'll talk about that. There were 680 plus people injured. The only people that they ever brought to any kind of justice was Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. Terry Nichols' sentence got majorly... He got life in prison instead of death. And then it went down to 10 years. No, he got life.

No, there's another guy that. that was an informant that got 10 years. Or he was a witness, but he was part of it, but he was a kind of a witness, but I can't remember his name. Yeah. Now, they're saying that, you know, this whole deal was because of his retaliation for Ruby Ridge and Waco sieges. Now, we're going to do podcasts on both those Waco and Ruby Ridge instances coming up, and

especially Waco, because, you know, there's the documentary of Waco. There's all the stuff that happen with that. Now, how much did this Waco deal play in part into what happened with the Oklahoma City bombings? Well, there is somewhat of a connection. Oh, there definitely is a connection. Yeah, but I just don't know that that connection that we're going to talk about is exactly the way they want you to believe is connected. Yeah, like their narrative, you mean? Yeah, as far as this is all Timothy McVeigh and he wanted to do this because he was mad about Waco.

Well, it's just funny that the FBI and the government knew about this before the bombing went off, And they already said this is going to be a terrorist act because of Waco before it even happened. Yeah. So let's just go there. Yeah, exactly. So let's go into some of, I guess, the timeline or at least the conspiracy narratives around this. And we'll talk about, you know, we essentially know what happened. We know that he bombed this building.

We knew, you know that according to the government, he was. far-right extremists, which was doing this because of Waco and Ruby Ridge. And he was accompanied by Terry Nichols. And so this is the official account of the FBI. Now, the problem with this is, is if you want to read this or hear this from another narrative, let's talk about the conspiracy narrative of this. Well, this is not, well, this is conspiracy, but this is where it becomes fact. Like, there is no.

Well, I don't know. I mean, it's pretty much when you have eyewitnesses, it's fact. So now let's talk about the narrative of what may have actually happened. In 93, Waco, Texas, the U.S. government essentially incinerated 86 of its own citizens. I mean, that's pretty much what happened for the crime of what many believe of exercising their constitutional rights, of freedom of religion, right to bear arms, and freedom of speech. I mean, if you want to break down the Waco thing, as far as the other side, the opposing side of the government.

They were murdered by the government. Yeah, for right to religion, bear arms and freedom of speech. Timothy McVeigh, who had been on the scene to witness some of those events that day, and it was, you know, the whole standoff was a 50-day standoff with U.S. troops, ATF, FBI, you name it. And this whole thing was massively televised. You know, it's still to this day horrifying to watch just considering there were kids involved. There were many kids that died. It was bad.

So then two years later, April 19th, 1995. And keep in mind, it was April 19, 1993 that Waco happened. So it was exactly two years later on the same day. The Murrah Federal Building. was destroyed. Okay. So McVeigh was arrested a short time later. Now, he was pulled over with a car with no license plate. He was in possession of an unlicensed firearm. And then several days later, he was identified by witnesses as one of the two people seeing getting out of a rider rental truck that was parked in front just before the blast of the Murrah Federal Building.

The other suspect was never identified. And his existence was denied by the government, even though he was taught on videotape. And eyewitnesses just said that he had a Middle Eastern look to him. Yes. And there are sketch pictures that you can look up. And he does pretty much look Middle Eastern, but I almost feel like we can identify this person. Now, yeah, you're right.

Now, we're going to give seven facts briefly to just kind of cover some of the odd and at least narrative-based realities of what happened either during or before. or after the bombing. Yeah, before, during, and after. And then we'll kind of break them. There's a lot of things. We kind of break them down. So in April 1995, the Omnibus counterterrorism bill was struggling to get through the U.S. Congress.

After the Oklahoma City bombing occurred, the tragedy looked as though it had been tailor made to rally public support for this tyrannical bill. Now, this was a bill that was trying to get passed and it was having a hard time getting passed. And essentially this bill was going to rip away their rights and freedoms. And it was going to do, you know, the typical Democrat bills. I mean, this is what they do. They find ways to make government bigger and people's freedoms less. I mean, that's what they do. And that's why I've never quite understood why a lot of Democrats that supposedly want freedoms are always voting for the party that want to take away freedom. Exactly. They want freedom of their own bodies and freedom of this and freedom of that, but they want that. Yeah. So instead, what actually passed was, it passed in 96, in response to the Oklahoma City bombing was the Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996.

And it was amended by VOCA by adding 42 USC-19693 to allow access to emergency reserve fund in both domestic and international terrorist census. Now, the thing about this bill was, is they were already having an issue with public sentiment on the bill before. And plus, I think at this time, they were investigating a lot of different militia groups and they were trying to infiltrate them. Yeah. And I think that this bill would have helped them do that, I think. Yeah, and it wouldn't have just helped them do that. It would have helped them pry into more American lives to figure out what their political. ideological views and viewpoints were.

So it wasn't, you know, the government always wants to portray that they're doing it for your good and for your protection and for the country's protection. And look, I will say some a lot, some, I'll say some. Some of what the government does is. But there's also they overabuse their power. And so when this bill was struggling to get public approval, it wasn't long. After that, in 96, after the bombing, they approved this other act. And essentially, this other act, it was like, see, you see what happens when we don't have an act like this. You see what happens.

Yeah. We have people die. So they. So we have to do this now. Yeah, they always want to use grief. And that's why they want to push all of this craziness on the television. They want to show you deaths. They want to show you babies dying.

They want to show you all this stuff to make you agree with. Okay, well, that bill's, I guess, fine. Right. And you think about today. In today's world, you know, with all these. Well, it's a Patriots Act and all this. You know, the mass shootings and blah, blah, blah. They use that.

They use it to their benefit. Absolutely. Instead of mourning and saying this should not happen, we've got to think of other ways to solve problems. Yeah. So what this bill did in 1996 was overstepped the federal government's boundaries by a lot. Now, it wasn't as much as the Patriot Act did after 9-11, which will talk a little bit about that further on. But it was, you know, I guess the bombing wasn't so bad that they could completely

overstep boundaries to a point where the Patriot Act come in during 9-11, which made it, which was far worse than what this anti-terrorism and death penalty act was in 96 after Oklahoma City bombings. But it was enough to start the process of taking away your rights and freedoms. And essentially stepping more towards tyranny and then making people. wondering in 2022 how we are where we're at. And I also think with the, what was the last part of that act? It's the death penalty act.

The death penalty act. Well, I think they wanted that death penalty act to go in fast so they could kill McVeigh as fast as they could. Yeah. For reasons that I feel like I know. Yeah. And we're going to talk about that. So the morning of the bombing, the ATS or the ATF office located inside the Murr building,

was empty, which is absolutely unheard of for a 9 a.m. on a weekday. And the reason that's important is because supposedly Timothy McVeigh problem was with the ATF. That was his number one primary goal was the alcohol, tobacco, and firearms division. That was who supposedly, according to the government, that is who he was going after. And we'll talk about why they thought that or said that or knew that supposedly, allegedly, later. But it was empty. He was originally going to bomb at 11 o'clock, and he changed his whole agenda and did it at 9 a.m. 9.02, for some reason.

And the reason he did at 11 was because he thought that would be the busiest time. Yeah, right, at 11. But he ended up doing it at 902. 903, 902, yeah. Yeah. So Oklahoma Congressman. Yeah. Oklahoma Congressman Ernest Istuk told a victim in a taped conversation in 1995.

that Oklahoma City bombing was a failed national security operation that used an FBI provocateur associated with a militia. So what he told them was this was a failed national security operation. Essentially that the FBI was involved in infiltrating militias. And Sherry, you basically... Well, that's a huge story. But before we go into that, going back to ATF, don't you think it's weird, that they weren't in the building at the time of the bombing? Do you know why it's weird?

It's because there are leaked information that all these guys were paged at the time. And I know by the word paged, I remember when they had pagers, they were paged not to come into work that day. And there was also ATF workers told to come to the building in their ATF jackets. They usually wore suits or whatever. They didn't really wear their ATF jackets around there. But they were told to do different things on this day. Yeah. So number one, we know that it was leaked to them.

They knew about the bombing before it was going to happen based on the ATF people not being in the building at all. And there was actually two ATF people that I believe tried to lie and say they were there, but they weren't. But there's proof that they couldn't have been there. One guy said he was in an elevator shaft. that was still locked and was not used the way that the ATF guy said. He said he was trapped in the elevator and then got out and saved three people. Well, the elevator person said it was impossible the way the elevator was. Yeah, there was an elevator expert and all that that came and said, no, it's impossible the way he described it.

You know, supposedly these two ATF agents were there because they were trying to fight the story of no ATF agents being there whatsoever. Exactly. They put two there. And it wasn't long after that that these ATF agents were allegedly flown from the scene via helicopter after they saved these people and got out there. Yeah. And the other guy supposedly knew karate and karate chopped his way out of the concrete walls. This is your actual like depositions of stories. I'm talking about there is what's that?

Rebar is thick as your arm and concrete walls. But he karate chopped his way out of the walls to free him. Yeah. Like, do you really think that's humanly possible? Yeah, it's all, I think that's all just completely. So I'm just saying they wanted the ATF to be a hero on this. They wanted to start a hero narrative. The ATF was already putting out a story. And this is, this is kind of mind-blowing, but the ATF was already putting out a story that Numerra building was bombed because of Waco, only a few hours after the actual blast occurred. But here's the thing.

It was before Timothy McVeigh was even arrested. Now, the reason that is important is because when Timothy McVeigh was arrested, they had no idea that he had anything to do with anything. With the bombing or anything. Yes. So they had no idea about why that building would be bombed. They did not find out that Timothy McVeigh might have anything to do with this until hours later. Yeah, but they announced. In custody.

announcing the bombing before it even happened. Absolutely. And going on that point, I'll just take it a step further, hours before the actual bombing, there were bomb trucks, bomb squads all out. People said they saw big trucks and they saw all these guys investigating that building and the buildings across looking for bombs. Yeah. And so the official narrative to that when asked by when it came out into the public and media,

they did finally have to, first they acknowledged there was nobody there. Yeah, and they said no, yeah, they lied. That was their statement. And then eventually, because there were so many witnesses, they said, oh, well, we did have someone running errands in a bomb truck, which had a trailer attached and everything. Yeah. That's literally what their story was, was they had people running errands with a bomb squad truck.

And by the way, it wasn't just one bomb squad truck. Yeah, there was a few. Yeah, across. There was eyewitnesses all over the place. But my wonderings are if they were investigating they thought there was going to be a bomb going off soon, why would they not alert people in those surrounding buildings that, hey, we're looking for a bomb. You know, this is a bomb threat. I know that most places when there's a bomb threat or you think there's a bomb, you evacuate the buildings. There was no telling anyone about it.

There was no evacuation of anything. And life was just going on like, you know, normal day. Yeah. Yeah, it's because they were heavily involved in this. So also, an unexploded bomb was found attached to a gas line inside the building, and a FEMA memo reports at least two additional bombs were found in the Murrah building. Joe Harp, based on the military explosive experience, identified the additional bombs he saw removed from the building as being military in nature. Well, let me tell you about this.

This is crazy. At the time, when the other bombs were being found, you know, all the help. the workers, even the ACDE, I don't know if I said their names right, we're all working to recover and rescue people. And then they found a second bomb. And then they're like, oh, we got to move back. Evacuate. Move back now.

Yeah. Keep going. Sorry. I'm writing a note real quick because I want to make sure I remember this. Okay. So they're like, move back now. So then the ATF guys with the new freshly clean jackets and their little trucks go back up to the building and at this time they were removing weaponry that look like bombs, but they were

too small to be bombs. And it was said that they actually had weaponry in this building. Yeah. And another thing that they were disposing of was a bunch of files and they are apparently leaked to Clinton files. Yeah, Clinton files and they were trying to get out of there. Yeah, and trying to get all that stuff out of there. So it wasn't really a second bomb necessarily.

It was that they didn't want anyone to see what they were doing. And they were like, you know, they made everyone move back. The media, everyone. No one was allowed to be in the area. And that's just fishy to me. Yeah, exactly. I agree. I'm sorry.

I stopped because you were right now like, oh, God. No, you're fine. No, I do something wrong. No. General Benton-K. Harton, U.S. Air Force, retired, stated in his Oklahoma City bombing report to U.S. Congress that the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City was not caused solely by the truck bomb. The major factor in this destruction appears to have been detonation of explosives carefully placed at four critical junctures on supporting columns within the building.

So that's what we were talking about. He doesn't believe it was just a truck bomb. And the FBI, I was just saying it was a truck bomb that was airlifted basically outside the building. But there is so much proof that that cannot be the truth. There are so much proof, proof, tons and tons. And I can go into it each one. And even prior to that, Oklahoma City Bomb and U.S. Senator Arlen Specter, as well as Clinton's national security director, Anthony Lake, had been advocating federal national security operations to stop militias in America. So Anthony Lake gave a speech to the Council on Foreign Relations in the fall of 1994 in which he said the chief cornerstone of government policy was to pit our society against militias.

So they were they were already trying to infiltrate militias. They were trying to essentially what I believe create narrative around the people. And they use militias, white supremacy. Similar to what they're doing now, white supremacy is a big key word they always talk about now. Race, militias, domestic terrorism. Anytime you start hearing domestic terrorism, domestic terrorism, domestic terrorism, like we've heard, you're going to start seeing, guess what, domestic terrorism. That's what you're going to see. Yeah.

However that is, we got to, you know, if you don't look back on history, you can learn a lot from history. And especially in repetitive, you know, things that happen. You know, for example, Oklahoma City, they were talking about domestic terrorism before it ever happened. Guess what happened? Domestic terrorism. The reason why they were talking about domestic terrorism and militia groups was because they knew that they wanted to build up to an event. that they would infiltrate to further pass a bill that would make everything they were saying true.

Right. And it would make sense that they would pass a bill taking away more of your rights. And this is something that we face today more than ever with shootings, especially now. Shooting is a huge thing, gun control. But it's not just gun control. It is the government's infringement on your rights and your liberties. And it's what we are afforded. It's the only thing we're afforded as a human being on this.

planet is our rights. Oh, absolutely. And getting back to the bombing, how we know, it's not true. It was just the rider truck that blew up the building is by three ways. There was a retired general that did a report about it. He went through and he discovered that the truck, there's no way the way that exploded because it went up instead of in, sorry, instead of inwards. If it was a truck, the explosion would have gone inwards, right?

Yeah. But everything came out. saying that there were bombs inside. Yeah. So that was one disclaimer. Another one was the Air Force or some Air Force. They set up the exact same type of a situation where there was a military base where they, I think it was, God, I can't remember the military base. But yeah.

Yeah, they set up the whole thing. Okay. But the building similar. Yeah, building similar. But the building was not even as strong as the federal. No, it was. No, the bomb was not as strong. and the building was not as strong.

No, the bomb was way, sorry, the bomb was way stronger than the bomb. No, you're wrong. You're still backwards. No. The bomb was not as strong. No. Yes. And the building was stronger.

No. That, at the Oklahoma thing. But I'm saying when they set up a thing like it. Yeah, I know what you're saying. They made the bong stronger. No. And they made the building weaker. That doesn't make sense.

Yeah, it does. They set up a thing. Oh, I got what you're saying. Yeah. They're saying that the bomb, the bong, bong. the bomb was stronger than the one that Timothy McVeigh used, and the building was weaker than the Mara, whatever building, right? And so they did the experiment on these buildings that they constructed with the bomb, and the bomb only blew up the first floor of the building. And it was way weaker than the one they said that, I mean, way stronger, gosh, sorry, way stronger than what Timothy McVeigh used.

Yes, just to break that down. Sorry. Gosh. I told you I might screw up. Let me just make this make sense in case you don't. I get what you're saying now. Okay. Because I remember it now.

Yes. They had a military operation at a military base where they literally. Constructed. Well, no, but there was a committee and everything involved in trying to get this done to see what would happen. They had a stronger bomb and they had a weaker building, as you said. And even with a stronger bomb, similar to what. supposedly this bomb was at the Murrah building. It did nowhere close to the damage that occurred at the Murrah building.

So that's basically what they did. And they did this to reenact what would have happened. Exactly. But they just, you know, like I said, they had a weaker building, stronger bomb and still did not do the damage that. But in this particular building, the rebar was all bent and torn up. The concrete was everywhere. a bomb to that magnitude could not do that damage.

Also, the crater where the truck laid was only 16 feet wide. Could you imagine a crater 16 feet wide from a bomb exploding half of a building away? That does not make sense. It was too weak to do that. So that proves there was an inside job. And there was four, like you read earlier, four other bombs inside because everything blew out. All the papers. everything blew out.

So it was not from the rider truck because that would blow up. Yeah. So, yeah. And the thing about Timothy McVeyez, he's supposedly a rarely employed drifter, essentially. I mean, he was broke. That's what they say. And alone. And as the government would have us believe, was able to plan a symbol a sophisticated

bomb and pull off the largest terrorist attack on American Soul up until that time. and if one look at the details of this, one would have to conclude McVeigh was part of a very large conspiracy involving CIA sponsored domestic and Middle Eastern helpers. The FBI's refusal to follow up and ignore so many leads

went beyond its ordinary incompetence and wreaked of treason. McVeigh's attorney, Stephen Jones, who worked on this case for years, believed McVeigh was just a part of a greater conspiracy. The last thing McVeigh would do is turnover information on co-conspirators.

McVeigh wanted himself seen someone who fired the first shot that was started a revolution against the government capable of atrocities such as ruby ridge and waco he wanted to take full credit for the bombing and did not want to share it with anyone in his view this would make him a mythic figure a martyr for the revolution the murrah building in oklahoma city was where all the records that a waco siege were being kept mcgave was seen with several different undidentified individuals many with middle eastern features in the weeks leading up to the bombings at the trial these facts were not allowed in as evidence also at his trial,

a sister read a letter from McVeigh to grand jury in which he told her he was going into the Special Forces covert tactical unit. And during,

part of that was, Sherry, you said that, you know, he essentially told his sister that he had to kill people because of the unit he was in

or what he had joined. It was in his letter that he sent his sister that he was in some kind of drug type undercover covert covert operation that meant he would have

have to assassinate people that got in the way. And that goes back to another conspiracy is they said that he was in the military and then he wanted to join the special forces and then he got wacko in the head and moved back down to his original unit and then left the army. Well, he didn't really leave the army and I can prove that. He told his family that he was still in the special forces when all this happened. He thought he was working undercover with FBI, CIA and all these. other agents to do an undercover cooperation.

Yeah, operation. And to take it a step farther on his death certificate, it says where you're employed, your current employment. It said U.S. Army. Even though no one can find any of the files of his army situations when he was in, when he was out, all those files are gone. Yeah, I mean, it sounds like obviously someone came to him, whether it be because they knew his, you know, whether it be they knew his, I'm not going to even say,

feelings or thoughts towards Waco and all that. And is that even true? No, I think they're using that as the reason why he blew up. Is the Waco thing even true? Was he actually at Waco? Like, was that a real thing? Like, you know, I mean, because I don't even really believe that. That's the thing.

I believe someone contacted someone in the military that they knew would be a good candidate for whatever they were going to pin on this person. Kind of like Lee, Oswald, whatever is it. Lee Harvey Oswald. The same thing. Yeah, I mean, they always pin someone on everything. But yet they completely infiltrate, they facilitate and they plan and execute everything. They just use someone to do it.

Yeah, he was definitely a pawn. It's something that I go back to, you look at MLK, you look at MLK, you look at. at JFK, you look at, you look at even January 6th. I mean, January 6th is a political ploy CIA, FBI covert operation. Now, I'm not saying that people did not go in there that were Trump supporters, but what I'm saying is that this was all infiltrated by FBI provocateurs, which is exactly what they did in Oklahoma City. It's exactly what they did with Operation Northwoods. It's exactly what they did with so many other tragic events in this country and probably 9-11. And, you know, it's funny that there's a lot of people that talk about Islamic or Middle Eastern people in this particular stance in 95.

And then what was it? Six years later, you have Afghanistan, Middle Eastern Islamic people that supposedly terrorists. Terrorists that killed all these people in the World Trade Center buildings, which, by the way, if you look at, The similarities, you know, if you look at the similarities, and let's just break this down briefly, but Oklahoma City bomb is, and let's make this very clear, the big, one of the massive conspiracies here, like, let's get out of the red tape and the descriptions, let's talk about what it actually is. Supposedly, Timothy McVeigh had a rider truck that he put fertilizer bomb in, right, that blew up insane, like a crazy structurally sound building with rebar that is as big as your arm and supposedly

this was done with a ride a truck with a bomb with a regular but I say fertilizer bomb because and by the way the other thing that people that that everyone talked about was having an ammonia smell sulfur sulfur all that stuff which by the way is a not ammonia it is a sulfur which is a type of military weapon which we'll talk about here in a little bit but it is a type of advanced military weapon and we're going to talk about that but you know a fertilizer bomb

is not technically capable of producing that much damage they prove that at the military base when they did this with a bomb very similar but stronger with a weaker building but then you look at 9-11 and you start and one of the biggest

questions was you know 9-11 the world trade centers. I mean, this was one of the most structurally sound buildings in the world. You talk about rebar. I mean, you talk about it ain't just rebar that the world trade centers are made of. They had steel columns, still. Also reinforced rebarb.

And supposedly both these buildings collapsed under an airplane crash at the very top. And so what I'm saying is, did they learn something from 95 and then apply it to 2001? Because it sounds awfully a lot like the same thing. And we're going to have to, like, really dig deep into that. Yeah. So there was a survivor. Her name was Jane Graham tells of three very suspicious men she saw in the Murrah building garage the week prior to the bombing and was shocked by the FBI's obvious disinterest in the matter.

Virgil Steele, an elevator inspector, which we talked about earlier at the scene, also saw two additional bombs being removed from the building. So reports of additional bombs were confirmed by the Oklahoma City Fire Department. they use train explosives sniffing dogs to locate those additional bombs. So not only did the devices found in the Murr Building have to look enough like real bombs to fool the bomb squad, they had to smell like real explosives to the bomb sniffing dogs. And that goes back to the ATF weapons that they were removing. And that's when they push back, evacuated everyone to get whatever they wanted to get out there.

And those files. Yeah. And probably they also probably wanted to make sure whatever evidence, the actual evidence of the actual explosion, They got out. Yeah. And that's why they implemented and used bombs. Fake bombs of what it sounds like. Yeah.

And here's these, you know, first responders like, hey, there's victims calling out to us. We got to get them out. And to them, life does not mean anything because, no, you can hear victims, but you're going to move out because there's a bomb. But really, we're covering up this shit. Yeah, we're trying to protect you, but really we're not because we don't give a damn about. about, you know, anybody else. Because they could hear people yelling when they made them evacuate. And they made the media backup, everybody.

They would not even let, like, normal, like, ASCDE, whatever that thing is. I don't know what that is, but they wouldn't let anyone near that site. Yeah, absolutely. And people saw them pulling up with no jackets and taking stuff and putting it in their, you know, black SUVs or whatever it was. Yeah. So a video of Timothy McVeigh from a security camera at McDonald's. McDonald's in Junction City, along with statements from rider employees who actually rented the truck, can be seen as proof that McVeigh did not rent the rider truck used in the bombing. McVeigh had been filmed by security cameras that McDonald's just minutes before the time stamped on a rental agreement, where enclosed it did not match either of the men seen in a truck rental center.

So they did say that it was Terry Nichols, supposedly, that rented the truck, which was the co-defendant, which was the one that went to jail. They're saying he's the one to rent it because he used his brother's address, right? for the rental agreement address. He used Kling as the name, somebody Kling, but he used his brother's address, which is stupid. Yeah, exactly. So that also doesn't exactly make sense because that sounds like the government wanted to pin someone else. So they use an address that they could pin someone and it just so happened to be someone that Timothy McVeigh knew before in military. So because you remember Timothy or Terry Nichols.

Terry Nichols was someone that Timothy McVeigh, to my knowledge, knew in the military. And so when supposedly Nichols went to rent the rider truck, he used his brother's address, which then in turn supposedly led the FBI to know who rented the truck. Right. And I've read conflicting notes on that part because I have read that the rider truck rental people saw McVeigh and a Middle Eastern man. running the truck. And I know Nichols does not look Middle Eastern. So I think that's a conflicting report. Yeah, because I think they just wanted to pin it on someone that they could tie to this. That's just my thoughts on it.

But who knows? And also at the hotel, when they rented the truck and went to the hotel, even the maid saw McVeigh with a Middle Eastern looking dude. That's what they called John Doe, too. Yeah, absolutely. So then 20 miles away from the blast site, seismographs at the University of Oklahoma recorded not one but two explosive events just after 9 a.m. On April 19, 1995, within 10 seconds of each other, the Omniplex Science Center in Oklahoma City recorded the same dual disturbance. The second was stronger than the first.

Dr. Charles Mankin, director of the University of Oklahoma Geological Survey, held a press conference shortly after the bomb in and told an assembly of journalists that the seismic graph readings clearly indicated two explosions. Even the news media reported two bomb blasts initially, but later changed their story. So obviously there were more than one. Yeah. They obviously blew the truck up, but then the second explosion, which was probably the biggest one. Well, first, the first explosions happened inside, and people were like kind of comparing it to an earthquake or a swaying of the buildings.

Like, they didn't know what was going on. And then all of a sudden, eight seconds later, they had this biggest. So maybe it was a truck. bomb first. That's what I just said. Yeah. And then the inside stuff went out and just blew everything up. Yeah.

But because at first everyone was like reporting, it felt like, you know, the building was just swaying. You, you know, you felt like, is this an earthquake or not? Right. And then all of a sudden they felt stuff coming up from underneath them from the floor, just rising up and exploding is what they felt. Yeah, it was controlled detonation. Now, there is a link between the Murrah bombing and the events of 9-11.

The 1993 World Trade Center bombing materials have been purchased with the credit card of a U.S. Muslim and an FBI provocateur named Melvin Latimore. Now, if we remember the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, that also was purchased by a freaking credit card of a U.S. Muslim and an FBI provocateur. So this was the first World Trade Center bombing that happened. This was two years before the Oklahoma City bombings. Now, the World Trade Center Bombins, initially, 1993, didn't go as they wanted. It didn't kill enough people. It didn't work. Well, no, I think, too, they, some people say it was a sting operation going bad because there was more FBI agents undercover than it was people committing the crime.

Yeah. Yeah, which leads to the thought of this was a government operation to do this. Okay. I mean, you know, they wanted like all of the evidence points to supposedly infiltrating, you know, militias. Yeah. But yeah, there were actually more government employees or officials in these militias than militia members. So it was almost like they were trying to pawn this off as a national security, no, it was a national security operation where they were trying to stop something, although really they were actually trying to make it happen. Make it happen.

Just to pass that bill. And other things, yes. So here's the thing. So this FBI provocateur named Melvin Latimore, which was the guy that was, had seen purchasing the materials for the World Trade Sitter bombings with a U.S. Muslim in 1993. Well, isn't it funny that Melvin Latimore was seen by four witnesses, four people in McVeigh's car at the Oklahoma City Travelers Aid Office? adjacent to the Murrah Federal Building just one day before the Oklahoma City bombings. This is the same FBI provocateur that was involved in the World Trade Center attacks in 1993. That guy was on the credit card with the U.S. Muslim that bought the supplies to bomb the World Trade Center in 93.

And then four witnesses saw the same guy, this dude. In Oklahoma. In Oklahoma one day with Timothy McVeigh. I wonder what this guy looks like. Don't know. Because I felt like I know who the other guy, the unknown John Doe is. I don't know. I'd like to see what his picture looks like.

And if it's a sketch of the John Doe, too. Possibly. Well, there were six FBI agents that basically spent nine months browbeating the four witnesses. Okay, to that scene supposedly seen this guy, right? And trying to make them change your story about seeing Latimore, the Traveler's Aid. Lattermore was the roommate of the 20th 9-11 hijacker. Now listen to this. This is where this shit gets crazy.

Because, I mean, if you want to connect all these things. First we have the 1993 World Trade Center bombings, which was the first bombing of the World Trade Center, which didn't do, I don't know where that is, which didn't do a ton. And then you have the same FBI provocateur, which was involved in the Oklahoma City bombings, according to four witnesses. And then the FBI wanted to browbeat him and say, no, you didn't see that.

You're going to change your story. No, I don't think you saw that. No, no, you didn't see this. But the crazy thing was, Latimore was the roommate of the 20th 9-11 hijacker, Zaccarias, Muserari, while he attended the Airman Fly School in Norman, Oklahoma in 2001. Wow. So Lattimore was also the roommate of 9-11 hijackers Al-Hazmi and Al Shihi in Norman, Oklahoma. Retired Air Force General Benton K. Parton informed A.G. Ashcroft in August 2001 of their Traveler's Aid story in writing and in person.

So this was a retired Air Force General that informed Attorney General Ashcroft. In August of 2001, this was a month after 9-11. of the Travelers Aid story in writing and in person. He wanted to make sure this was on record. Yet not surprisingly, nothing was done by Ashcroft about Latimore whatsoever. Right. And I'm just going to say with the FBI, when they encourage witnesses or people to either lie under oath or not to say anything, they're encouraging them in a way that their lives are threatened. There was many things I read about today that FBI whistleblowers lives were threatened. cops have been threatened.

Anybody that had anything to do with anything, you know, it was inferred that they were going to kill them if they said anything. Yeah, absolutely. Now, here's the thing. So we have talked about the mind control aspect, right? Well, no, we did it. Sorry. We've been talking so much about this.

I'm just telling you, this is like a tornado. So now there were conspiracies abound about. the possibility of Timothy McVay being mind-controlled or something along those lines. Now, if you want to talk about conspiracy theories, a lot of people are like, that's crazy as hell to even think about. Well, let me just enlighten you people. That sounds like Bill Paxton and Twister. Let me enlighten you people.

Or no, sorry, that's not Bill Paxton. That's the other asshole. That's the asshole and Twister. But it's definitely a twister. Yeah, anyway. So So mind control thing So mind control

Well, MK Ultra was a thing Okay, so if we want to talk about like conspiracy theories And oh my God, that's crazy mind control. Give me a break. Well, M.K. Ultra was American mind control. I mean, it is a documented thing. It was the code name of an illegal human experimentation program designed and undertaken by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency.

It was a CIA program. where they wanted to find out how to control minds. They were doing this. On inmates, on minorities, anyone that they could get their hands on, that didn't have the strength to stand up to them. Yes. Yeah. So the MK. Ultra was something, I mean, they would use drugs such as LSD. It could be used in interrogations to weaken individuals and forced confessions through brainwash and a psychological torture.

It used numerous methods to manipulate its subjects, mental states and brainwomenal. functions such as the covert administration of high doses of psychoactive drugs drugs and other chemicals electroshocks hypnosis sensory deprivation isolation verbal and sexual abuse in addition to other forms of torture um this was going on started in 1953 okay so imagine in 1953 and you think that this government has has gotten better about that no they've gotten better at being good at Oh, yeah. So when we talk about mind control, this is no far-fetched idea. Right.

And there is many people that are tortured and murdered over this, not to even mention what they did to McVeigh with mind control. But mind control and torture goes a long way with this Oklahoma bombing thing. Yeah. Yeah, there is a strong likelihood, actually, of extensive drugging and mind control. It was reported that McVeigh received some 12 or more visits by Dr. Lewis Joyon. West, the UCLA mind control expert for the CIA. So this is well documented.

He is the mind control expert for the CIA. He's one of the top mind control experts in the world. And he actually pronounced Jack Ruby, Ruby Ridge. He pronounced him insane after he suggested a conspiracy in the JFK assassination. So this was the guy the CIA used to pronounce this guy insane based on he was saying that there was a conspiracy with the government to kill JFK. I thought Dr. Smith was McVeigh's doctor. No, no, I'm talking about, no.

I'm talking about this mind control guy is the one that Ruby Ridge or Jack, sorry, not Ruby Ridge, but kind of money. I'm getting confused. Jack Ruby, he's, yeah, not Ruby Ridge, but Jack Ruby, he said he was insane after he suggested there was a conspiracy of JFK. Got that. He also was the government psychiatrist who handled Saran Sahan while he awaited trial. Jolly West was infamous for his early use of LSD on unsuspecting victims. He was the head of the CIA's mind control program known as M.K. Ultra. And was a pioneer of electrotonic brain experimentation.

So we know that Timothy McVeigh had 12 visits with this guy. Okay. that's documented. So when this big conspiracy theory comes out of, Timothy McVeigh was mind-controlled, well, there's reason for that. You know, I mean, he did meet with the biggest mind-control expert prior to this happening.

And I assume when the government went to Timothy McVeigh to say, hey, we got an operation for you in this new special force quote-unquote program, but you've got to go see this doctor to make sure you're mentally stable to do this. I'm sure this is when this mind control shit started taking place if you want to go that route. Right. And that would say he was not necessarily wanting to be the macho man.

He was thinking he was under, you know, covert special forces and they were controlling him to think and do what they wanted him to do. Yeah. And you always hear something in the government called they're called handlers. Yeah. Handlers are people that handle their objects, whether it be their. They're terrorists, they're whatever they want to do. So with the numerous sightings of John Doe's with Middle Eastern features, along with known CIA links to Middle Eastern terrorist organizations, the statements of explosive experts that the truck bomb alone could not have possibly caused extensive damage that we saw,

the numerous witnesses claiming that they saw bombs being taken out of their mirror building after the explosion, the incredible unlikely to McVeigh being able to pull this off without helping powerful places, and along with the FBI admitting they withheld evidence, we see here a web of lies and a seat that was never untangled. And the web of lies are so bad that they even had FBI agents lie under oath about these files and these tapes. And he ended up being a whistleblower and he was afraid for his life. Yeah. And talking about the videotapes, I think it was VHS tapes.

No, they still had CCTV. None of those were ever released. Yeah, they had 22 on the outside. and then all the ones on that, they had over 400 tapes to go through. And this one guy was hired to go through all the, well, not to go through the tapes, just to duplicate them for the FBI. But the FBI stood over him the whole time he was duplicating him, making sure he wasn't watching the actual tapes.

But there was actually over 400 tapes. They duplicated, 22 were outside, that clearly showed where the truck was, How do we know it clearly should? Because there were surveillance cameras all on the outside of the buildings. Yeah, but they were never released. So how do we know that? Well, because they had cameras everywhere. And the FBI confiscated all that.

People had them and gave it to the FBI. They confiscated it. And then they said they lost it. Yeah. Yeah, they never released the cameras whatsoever. No camera files at all, at all. Over 400 files have never been released to the public. showing what actually happened.

Because it would disprove their narrative. Exactly. Like how does that happen? How do you lose 400 files of videotape? Same way you lose technology that you went to the moon. Yeah. And they already, and they had it duplicated by this guy. So there's definitely two of each of these tapes.

Now let me tell you a little story about the state trooper that was one of the first on scene. And sure you can get his name because I want to make sure I know his name. name. Well, I'm not known. It's Terrence Yakey. I don't know if I'm saying his name properly, but he was first on scene. And I think he knew too much. Terrence Yakey was killed, and he was 30 years old.

He knew too much. He said something was not right. When he first, he was one of the first on the scene. So this was a state trooper that was one of the first on the scene. He heard the explosioning. He heard the call come out. He was one of the first out there. He was actually there pulling people out.

Yeah, he pulled four people out. And something that was there that he witnessed made him go to his command staff as soon as he was done with this and say, this is not right. Whatever the hell this narrative is, it's not the narrative. It's not what happened. And so his command staff ridiculed him, blah, blah. But it wasn't as much his command staff ridiculed him as it was that he had the days following his interaction with his command staff. Obviously, his command staff went to whether it be federal investigators or so on. It wasn't long after that that Terrence Yakey, the state trooper.

Well, FBI was following them. That's what I was going to. It wasn't days after he was going to dinners with his family and all this stuff. And he knew that the federal agents, as he called them, he even said this to some of his friends. Yeah, well, as soon as I get these federal agents from following me, I'll meet with. you. He was going to go meet with someone and he never made it to the meeting because, you know, what happened to him? He was beaten the death, right? And then he was mostly beaten in death and he had a 9mm gunshot to his head. Right. And he also had, and he had stab wounds

on both wrists all over the place. He had, uh, yeah, he had ligatures on his neck to where he had been choked. It was a torture. He had like 20, I don't want to say gallons, but I don't know, of Coca-Cola in his belly at the time, which was a torture technique. Because Coca-Cola is more painful than water, I guess. Waterboarding. Or maybe that was the other guy. I'm not sure. But anyways, this guy was definitely tortured.

And guess what they ruled his murder at? A suicide. Yeah, they ruled it as a suicide. And they didn't want any autopsies. They wanted him to be cremated, I think, right? Yeah. Yeah, they wanted a quick cremation. The government even came in.

Yeah, because they did not want anyone to know anything. His family went out to ask questions. they're like, oh my God, you know, you watch too many movies, whatever, blah, blah, blah. And they're like, I cannot believe they're talking to us like that as our family member, a policeman. Yeah, and all the evidence of that entire crime was destroyed. Everything. Everything was destroyed. The feds were following that night and, you know, they were following him the night of when he was talking about the feds following him.

And he was dead the next day. And he's not the only one. There was someone that was possibly involved, which they don't actually think was involved, of what they thought might be someone that knew something. Right. And he ended up beating a death. Yeah. Accidental identity. And dead.

Accidental identity. Yeah. He ended up beating a death and dead. And they ruled that a suicide as well. And in this particular suicide, there were no tapes. There were no evidence. Not even his clothes went with him to the, what do you call it, the guy, the autopsy guy. Yeah, the medical examiner.

Yeah, nothing went. He was in his underwear. All his clothes were removed. They were not allowed to go in his cell and see anything. But they did. They were able to go like six weeks later. And they used, you know, that stuff you spray and you show blood or whatever? Yeah, yeah.

They sprayed and it looked like a freaking Christmas tree. Like the whole cell lit up. Yeah. I do want to point out, too, is there was a special committee that was assembled for this particular incident. And they knew that there was a lot of questions unanswered. It was done by legislators and certain people in the government that knew there was something up with this. This was an Oklahoma City concerned citizens committee.

Well, it was actually, well, yeah, but the Oklahoma City Bomb and Investigation Committee. Yeah. This was their recommendations. So some of the things, they recommended all these things. Epilogue goes to say, as we go to print, it has come to light that the FBI felt to turn over numerous tapes, lead sheets, and several thousand pages of documents to the McVeigh and Nichols defense teams at the time of the trials in 97. Even when the FBI made this failure public and assured both defense teams that all files pertaining to the Oklahoma City bombing case had now been given to them, it was subsequently revealed that there's still more evidentiary materials that had been withheld. The critical exposure of the FBI's arrogance and criminal negligence compelled Attorney General Ashcroft to admonish the FBI to locate every piece of evidence related to the case, even if it involved traveling around the world to achieve that. The situation reinforces the recommendations listed in this report, and has caused that the need for more to be made.

Moreover, we now feel that a mechanism for judicial reform must be proposed that has a realistic chance of reestablish injustice and equality, in the FBI. Therefore, we proposed a following. So they proposed a following of a lot of different things that they said, you know, this committee knew, and this was a judiciary committee, they knew they were corrupt. Yeah, they knew that FBI was corrupt. They lost all the files. They lost all the tapes.

They would not give anyone any kind of FOIA acts, anything. Yeah. And even now, I mean, even with like Freedom of Information Acts, you know, number one, some people and a lot of people have to pay a lot of money to get them. Number two is there's tons of redacted information, which, I mean, what's the point of Freedom of Information Act if you redact everything? Yeah, that means they won't show you. That still happens.

There are still thousands of documents that are being withheld CIA documents from the Oklahoma City bombings. And, you know, they say this is a national security risk is why they're withholding them. Yeah, but the reality is that is because they orchestrated this. Yeah. And the problem is they didn't give this to McVeigh to have a fair trial. No. Like this guy was put on trial and put to death.

They did postpone his execution briefly because they found out, the court found out that they were withholding all this information. Then they supposedly gave all the information, but then they found out they actually still didn't get information. And so they wouldn't have executed him very fast. They put him on the first of the list and executed him like within two or three years. He remated him as well, and it was gone. Done. No evidence. Don't you think that's kind of creepy?

Because I know there's a lot of people on death row that have been on death row for 20, 30 years. You're going straight to the front of the line if you're involved in a government cover up. Yeah, that does not happen to most death row people. You're on death row, you know, using your civil rights or whatever, like asking for a new trial or whatever. Yeah. But, yeah, he went straight to the chair. Well, the thing is about this is that there's some key takeaways here that we have to talk about. And, you know, we could do a whole other podcast on this because there's so much more of those involved.

Other people that got murdered, other people that got cremated after their murder, even though they weren't closely involved in this, but were people that might have known something. But what I will say is the biggest takeaways for me on this entire situation is that number one. this is a cover up if you want if you want my opinion my opinion is is that they at the at the the government knew that it wasn't going to go off flawless they knew in my opinion the government was completely behind this as we said there were more provocateurs there were more undercover agents as they call them in these militia groups then there were actual militia members these guys were similar to what I believe, January 6th.

And gals and gals. Yeah, because there was a woman that were probably a few. But they're similar to January 6th. When you have FBI provocateurs, which we know was involved in January 6th, what those people do is there, and the reason they're called provocateurs

is they provoke what they want to happen, however they may be. Because they have a narrative to push, whatever that is. January 6th was pretty obvious. I mean, we look at January 6th. You want to completely destroy your opposing party

and all of its people, which are pro freedom, pro gun, pro everything that is to do with democracy and constitution for a lot of people. The Democrats believe in less rights. I mean, they want to make you believe you have rights with abortion and all this stuff.

But the reality is they want to take away your actual rights of freedom of speech, of Second Amendment, protecting yourself, the basic rights of of being able to live on this planet protected and safe. But the reality is is January 6 had provocateurs.

I mean, a lot of those people were involved in the scheme. You've got the Martin Luther King thing. You have JFK. You have all of this. And then you have this. But the biggest takeaway for this, for me, is the provocateurs that were also involved

in not only the first World Trade Center bombing, but they were involved in what appears to be the 9-11, which were roommates with some of the attackers of 9-11. These are the same people involved in the Oklahoma City bondings. I know. Can I tell you, like, not a fun fact, but a fact. Did you know my best friend live next door to them in Vero Beach? Some of them, anyway.

Yeah, the ones that went through the flight training and all that. Well, Oklahoma, they had Norman Oklahoma. I'm talking about 9-11. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, the guys that learned how to fly. There were flight training in Oklahoma, too. Yeah, but she was neighbors with them. That's a crazy story.

But I also think it's interesting the connection between Islamic or Muslim people and, you know, not only the First World Trade Center, but then Oklahoma City bombing and then 9-11. And then you can connect FBI with all of those. And I just think it's crazy when the concerned citizens of Oklahoma came out with finally all their reports. And it took them a lot of time. They interviewed like over 300 victims. They came up with affidavits. They had to come up with signatures to even get it to be seen in the Supreme Court. But after all that, two weeks later is when 9-11 happened.

Yeah. They wanted to shift the narrative. I just think that's weird. It's not weird. It's perfectly planned. I mean, we're going to do a 9-11 episode. You know, the Oklahoma City thing is not as. depth in

I mean, it is. It is. It's very in depth. There's a lot of... It's a lot more to it than even what we've touched on. It's like a spider web. It is because you're never going to know all the players in the game.

You know, you're just not. And not 11, we can connect all of these things through FBI provocateurs that were involved in all of this. And somehow it just keeps going back to the Muslim thing. The Islamic. And then also they want the media has always told you to hate Muslims. hate Islamist. Well, actually, in 1995, that's when they were trying to pass the law or the whatever it was called against Islamic terrorists.

Extremist. Yeah. This was in 95 during Oklahoma. And not until 2000, five years later is when the 9-11 stuff happened. Yeah. I don't know. It's completely crazy to me. It's crazy to me because, like,

I don't know, man. I mean, there's so many people there are just asleep to what goes on in this world. Oh, I used to be one of those people because I did not. I did not research things. I think we all have. Like seriously, like normal people everyday lives, they don't like really go into research and really think, oh, you know, they're like, oh, yeah, there was an Oklahoma bombing, whatever. That's all.

That's all they think about. But when you actually dig deep, you see things that are right in front of your face, but you don't care to research it. It's those that are truth-finding people that are finding the truth. And this is way bigger than just a bombing that some dude planned. Yeah. It's way bigger than that. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I mean, look, there's, look, there are cases of people that just go crazy and shoot up stuff.

I mean, probably the Highland Park shooting and. and some of those other ones. I mean, there are terrorists. There are people that do that. Domestic terrorists. But there are also government-involved terrorists that they want to. They have a bigger plan. Yeah, their plan is for more control.

And that's my opinion. But also, I mean, if you look at some of this data on the connections between all these, all these things. I mean, you can't ignore the Martin Luther King thing. You can't ignore the JFK evidence. We have JFK podcasts on that. You guys can listen to them. it's just scary. And to think about like how advanced our government is now and in not just the government,

the world, you know, the world economic forum, the New World Order, they're really behind destroying countries right now. So we have more to be worried about, unfortunately, in our future than we ever have. We can look back on 95 and 2001 and all these things. But what is it going to, what is it going to be? I actually just saw before we came on air tonight or whatever that New York City just updated their nuclear attack preparedness plans. So they released it to all their citizens.

It's kind of interesting. I mean, it seems more and more like we're just trying to get a nuclear war to happen with Russia. We're doing whatever we can. And hopefully, there's not a false flag with Russia, meaning we don't do something to provoke war with someone else. I mean, we're kind of already possibly doing that with Ukraine. That's a whole other conspiracy.

actually. Yeah, we could even already be doing that with Ukraine. We don't know. I mean, we at the very least got, I think possibly got Ukraine in this war with Russia. Right. And the fact is we're fighting Russia because of us. Because of us. Yeah.

That is the fact. But we're so close to a physical war with them. And I don't know why we'd want that. But you know, all of our little officials and all the people there are in control this, they can go underground their little cities and be fine from a lot of that. And they already don't want people here. They're screwing people over on. on a daily basis.

Putin's definitely safe, too. They're all safe. All the top elites are safe. But guys, it's us normal people that are not safe. Yeah, absolutely. Well,

we wanted to give you guys a brief rundown. I mean, a brief is an hour and 16 minutes, but at least of what this is all about. We can definitely touch more on this later. Yeah, there's way, way more we could talk about it.

There is, and we're going to do a 9-11, and it's going to be a series because there's so much involved in 9-11, and it all kind of ties together. Look, go back and listen to our MLK podcast. obviously this one. We're going to also do the Waco thing,

even though is Waco tied to 9-11? We don't know. Is it tied to Oklahoma? We don't know. Exactly. But 9-11, obviously, if you guys listen to this podcast, you might think that 9-11's tied to a lot of stuff.

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