Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Operation Stargate Conspiracy Podcasts | ESP Remote Viewing Parallel Dimensions

Episode Date: May 2, 2023

In this episode, we uncover the secrets behind Operation Stargate, a covert program that pushed the boundaries of human consciousness and explored the realm of psychic phenomena.During the height of the Cold War, the United States government embarked on an ambitious mission to harness the power of the human mind for military purposes. Operation Stargate, which ran from the 1970s to the 1990s, aimed to investigate and exploit the potential of remote viewing – the ability to perceive distant locations and events using only the power of the mind.Our journey begins with the origins of Operation Stargate, as we explore how the U.S. military became interested in the psychic realm.We also discuss how the UFO UAP phenomenon may be connected to our consciousness. All of this and more on this episode of Operation Stargate Conspiracy Podcasts | ESP Remote Viewing Parallel Dimensions

I'm put up with changes. Come pick me up because I just want to see the light. I want to be weightless. Teach me to fly. I won't be coming down. Could somebody wake me will pass me but I just see her face where. Hello and welcome to Investigate Earth Podcast. I am your host chat alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry, say hello, Sherry.

Hey guys and gals. We are so glad you're here. Go ahead and put some popcorn in the microwave and put it in a bowl because you're going to need it for tonight's podcast. Maybe. Maybe you are. No, this podcast is definitely different, guys. We're going to be talking about some strange things. It might sound crazy.

But the more I've researched it, the more I've thought about it, the more I've really dug into this. I don't know. I don't think it's crazy. And guys... No, where do I? Because I have researched it too. Now, guys, here's the thing.

We've talked about in the past on other episodes about interdimensional beings and aliens and stuff like that right now. we've also talked about and I want to make this very clear before we go into this episode. We are also, I am, I believe in God. I also believe in Jesus. Sherry believes in God and all that stuff. Her family is predominantly Jewish. I grew up in a Christian household.

So I want to say this from a very get-go that I don't believe anything that we talk about on this episode negates that, right? And I believe 100%. And it's the same thing I say with UFOs, an interdimensional thing. I also don't believe any of that negates the Christian or whatever religion you have and God and all that stuff. I don't believe any of that negates any of that. But I want to make that very clear because it's something I've thought about, is something I've continually thought about over the course of the past few years as we've talked about UFOs

and talked about other civilizations outside of our own. And we've even got many questions by some of you, whatever about, well, if you believe in UFOs, aliens, all that. Then how do you believe in God? And so I just want to. But we've even been talking. about that tonight that God created us the way he wanted to create us. We're all different

here on earth, a lot different. So, why could have God created something outside of the earth? Guy can do whatever he wants. And that's a little different than us. We're all different. But we all have one thing in common.

Common, yeah. I believe we have a God. Yeah, the one God. Yeah. I don't believe there's multiple. I do believe a one God. But, but Besides that, we're going to talk about Operation Stargate. That is our subject on this episode. Now, Operation Stargate was a top secret research program that was initiated by the United States government in the 1970s to investigate potential military applications of psychic phenomena, including remote viewing and telepathy. Now, what we aim to do in this episode is talk about the history and goals and methods and the outcomes of Operation Stargate, at least according to the government. and we're going to try to shed light on one of the most intriguing and controversial government projects of its time.

Now, for those of you guys that remember back in the 90s of Miss Cleo, and she was a Caribbean black lady that would come on after 9 o'clock every night, and she would be like, hey, I'm Miss Cleo if you want to know your, if you want to know your future call me now. She would always do that. You know, she had like the, I don't know if she's Caribbean, but I don't know what she was. But she had that kind of accent, right? She sounded like that, right? Yeah. So, you know, in the 90s, there was this big push for psychics on, you know, network television, especially the infomercials, where they wanted you to call them.

They wanted you to believe that if you just talk to them, they're going to tell you everything you need to know about your future or your past or things you need to know. And so growing up, and especially as the psychic thing began to get more on the scene, you know, with the daytime talk shows, Oprah, Dr. Phil, and you name it, they started bringing on psychics to talk to these people. the audience that maybe lost a loved one or did this or that and they would try to communicate with these people. And but for a big part of it was, you know, this was kind of, I guess, on the hills of this was these late night psychics that were on infomercials like Miss Cleo and others that kind of made it sound a little crazy, right? I mean, the psychic ability and just the entire realm of ESP and remote viewing or just

we're going to talk a little bit about like our acknowledgement of consciousness and what that really means on this episode, which is crazy. And then we're also going to touch a little bit on how maybe this relates to the UFO UAP thing as well because I think it does. We recently watched a documentary,

which we're not going to go too deep in at all on this episode. We're going to actually have another episode a few days from now on that. But Sherry, what were you going to say? Well, I was just going to say anything that involves 1-800 numbers. You better like check it out. Or 1-900. One-900 is the bad ones. Oh, there are 900s. Yeah, 900 you got to pay for. 1-800's toll-free. Oh, okay. But I'm also thinking about when you're saying that, Chad.

What? Okay. So when I was younger, I might have called some other one. And you said you were your dad instead of you. But I also called Ms. Cleo. And I never actually got through to her. I got through to her assistant. So I didn't know or learn anything about my future. That's why I'm so lost. today. I never got in touch with Ms. Cleo. And you did call other numbers and pretend to be your dad. So that's why, you know, it kind of gives it the stigma. That's actually how Sherry and I met. Yeah, I was Miss Cleo. I was Miss Cleo. No, you're, you were not on Miss Cleo's number. You're on the other bad one and a number. Oh, the other one that are numbers. I think your name was, what was your name? I was kidding. I was kidding. I was not even getting into that.

Anyways, I think that's what kind of gave it as stigma. Well, yeah, especially the psychic thing. Yeah. I mean, and quite honestly, we have to understand something here. Like the stigma beyond what we knew of psychic ability in the 90s, we got to think a little bit about UFOs too. I mean, the stigma from UFOs came because of the media's portray of people that believed in UFOs. They made everyone and the public think that if you believe in UFOs, you're crazy. You are psycho.

You are ten-full hat-wearing person. And the media has done a very good job of that over the years. And that is with anything that they don't want you to believe in. And oftentimes what we have to think about here is oftentimes what the media portrays as crazy, right? Is actually you better start looking into what they're all going for because the media puts enough attention on one thing, right? You better start researching the roots behind whatever they're saying. So if they're saying this is false and they're really pushing it out to media, you better go research that because pretty much is probably not false.

It's probably true. Yes, it's actually usually the opposite. And that was one of the things that, you know, anytime you start hearing anything, the media is so behind. And especially on both sides of the aisle, if you have Republicans, Democrat media all together on one thing, you're like, oh, then you really got to worry, right? And so that's what we're going to talk a little bit about, like, the stigma behind the psychic ability, the remote viewing. and we're going to talk a little bit about consciousness and what even that means. And, but most importantly, we're going to do this based on the United States government program,

which was Operation Stargate. And this happened for years and years and years. They tried to say that, oh, they really didn't get any data off of this or another of this, which we know that was false because even in the first two to five years of this program, they were continuing this program for many years. and then as they came out with an official press release that said, well, we're not really getting any results. Now, there were two different actual intelligence officers that came out.

One of them came out after his retirement and said, we got some really insane, crazy results from this, right? Like the stuff that we were able to hone these people in on and the information we were able to gather was nuts. And then not long after this guy, you had a current intelligence officer that came out and said, we got nothing. He's a liar. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, which is what we see all the time, right?

We see it in UFOs. We see it with wars. We see it with political things. We see it with everything. If the government or anyone, even a whistleblower comes out and says, we got this, and then someone's going to come out and say, he's a liar. Right. Media is going to run with he's a liar because that's, you know, look, the media is the government's right-hand man. They are the voice and the mouth of the government. Regardless of whatever you want to think, you live in the United States of America, guess what? what you might as well just say you live in China because we have a state run media for a large part i mean let's give one example fox news just got rid of tucker carlson tucker carlson was fox news essentially they he had more numbers than many shows on the network combined except for the five i believe the five was pretty big as well but they're not even as good as

but they were willing to to basically decapitate themselves because of they had no choice you know And I think so many people believed more so in Fox News because they were like, hey, maybe Fox News is actually not one of the ones that are on board with the globalist agenda narrative and all this stuff and the propaganda media. But it's obvious now that they are on board. We've been learning this for a while. Yeah, we've seen it coming out. There's little hints here and there. And all the daytime shows are all more liberal now. They're all going towards the woke stuff.

And then so we knew eventually they would get rid of the people that were out. there to talk about the truth, to speak the truth, and to start telling people, hey, this is what the deal is, blah, blah, blah. But regardless of that, let's, well, actually, before we get in that, we do want to say briefly, we have a substack, guys, our substack is we're going to put it, we're putting a ton of effort and time in our substack. We love substack as a platform. And the reason why we went over there is because of topics that we are not able to talk about as much anymore on all these mainstream platforms. We have started to see a drop in numbers here and there about certain topics.

And you guys are not getting notified or you just, whatever the case is. And eventually, if big tech and government continues to collude outside of Twitter, but as long as they continue to do this and put more and more regulations on podcasts like us that speak the truth and really try to get what we're trying to tell the people out there, they're going to censor us. And the only way that we can fight that is through platforms that, you know, push freedom of They care about freedom of speech, which is our most important amendment, in my opinion, which is the first amendment. And substack is that. And so we do daily or almost daily articles with voiceovers, which are all free.

We also do members-only podcast episodes. We do like video type content where, you know, just for example, we just released a new UFO. I guess we talked about an underwater base and it's a 40-minute type deal. I think it was really, really good. It took a long time to do that. We're also going to start doing a docu-series where we're going to travel to places, actually get video content like a documentary and release it to only our members over on Substack. And we're going to do Farside Chat. So we got so much planned over there. And it's a great platform. And it's so exciting too. Yeah, I encourage you to go and download it. You can download on Apple or Android and is Substack.

And once you get it, just type and Investigate Earth with Chad and Cherry. You will find us. hit subscribe and you'll have our content there. We do have a premium option for those of you don't want to support us and our mission going forward. And we also obviously have a free option in the event that we ever get canceled or whatever. You will have our stuff there. So that's it. Let's get into Operation Stargate and talk about what this really is. And it's going to get a little deep.

So just, you know, prepare your mind for this. We're going to try, you know, it's going to blow my mind as I'm talking about this, to be honest. It is mind-blowing. But as we go forward, I just want you to think about that everyone, has the same size brain and we all use our brain. It's just how much are you using your brain? Yeah. And also, I think also how much are you willing to accept the possibilities to be able to open your brain enough for this? And open yourself up to like, okay, everyone thinks, you know, you're retarded. I actually even say retarded, but everyone thinks you're crazy if you believe in

psychics or everyone thinks you're crazy if you believe in UFOs or whatever. You've got to put that aside and you really got to open up your brain to really think about this because we're all capable of doing this. Yes, but listen, a disclaimer here based on what you just said. I have thought over my lifetime that most psychics are crazy. And I have it. And I still think most of them are. And listen, and I also think most of the psychics you see on TV are people.

Yeah. No, I think most of them are monetarily there. Right. They're doing this for money, and they are doing this with intentions that are not the right intentions, right? Right, right. And by the way, I think that any time you're able to do this with the wrong intentions, it's not possible. Exactly. And that's what I'm going to get to as well.

But what I want to make clear is that this is not just us coming up with this randomness. This is a United States government program to where they were using people. to be able to remote view and get into this other realm of consciousness that we don't understand as people. We've talked about this many, many times. And yes, there are people out there that are more able to get into this realm because they open themselves up more. Their mind is not locked down by the stigma of what is life, what is the physical life of what we see on an everyday basis. And even being rejected. Yeah, I mean, but it's just it's just these people are allowed themselves to be opened up to this other ability, this other realm.

And it's not necessarily that I believe these people have a special skill or a special whatever. I just think that these people are a lot more open to the ability and really believe in in this possibility to where they do actually get into this realm. Now, this is a government program. This is something they did for many, many years. Now, I'm going to tell you the official narrative behind what the program is, what the government said about the program. And then we're going to talk about what it really means and a little more in depth as far as, you know, I think that we're starting to turn the corner on things that we just never understood that we're starting to understand now. And hopefully you guys, you're going to listen this episode and maybe you've never thought about it in any shape, form or fashion this way.

But just bear with us. We're not crazy. I just want you to have an open mind to think about what we're going to talk about today. And we're doing this based on the United States government's own program to utilize against our adversaries. And no, we do not have tinfoil on our head. No. So here's some historical context. So the inception of Operation Stargate can be traced back to essentially the Cold War era,

which was when the United States and the Soviet Union engaged in a tense arms race. And so amidst the growing concerns over espionage and intelligence gathering, the United States government sought to explore unconventional means to gain an edge in intelligence operations. Now, this led to the exploration of psychic phenomena as a potential avenue for obtaining classified information. So the United States government were so desperate, right, to obtain classified information during the Cold War.

era that they were willing to create and start this program with people that they believed potentially could have the ability to tune in or to, I guess, hone in on this psychic ability and this realm of consciousness. And the reason I want to say this is because it's not about just being psychic. It's not about someone's ability that has this amazing talent that no one else has. it just has to do with these people understand the method or the methodology and the belief in being able to tune into this realm. Right.

Or maybe they were even trained to do this because I think it could be trained to do this. For sure. Yeah. And you make a great point here, actually. And so I want to make a point to this. You probably did it the best way. You probably said it the best way. I was trying to think of how to say this.

So you have to think about Operation Stargate was a CIA. top secret government program, right? So CIA and all these national intelligence agencies would bring these people in. Now, we've heard of the intelligence agencies in the past talking about MK Ultra and using drugs like LSD and others to try to mind control people to figure out if they could make them do or think or fill things that they otherwise would not do, right? And that was MK Ultra. They also potentially used other drugs, which we probably will never know about. Those will probably be never never be declassified, but I also think potentially MK Ultra could have possibly interconnected with Operation of Stargate as far as the drug set on the mind. Now, I'm, we never say do drugs because

I don't do drugs, like at all. Like, I do drink, whatever, but I've never been one that does shrooms or like, you know, LSD or acid. Nothing. Yeah, right. Never done any of that stuff. And, but, you know, when we've talked about DMT in the past, right, and, and, and, you know, and, DMT is a naturally occurring substance in your brain that people release very small amounts of, animals release a little more of. But DMT, I believe DMT releases more of that ability to be able to get into a realm that we can't do with our brains naturally, or at least as far as what our brains create or produce. Now, I don't believe that we can't do that without.

I do believe we can do that without DMT. Right. If we can train our brains to do that. Yes. And I think that was the big goal here behind the United States government. And I do, to your point, think the United States government knew something from something they had encountered in the past up until this Operation Stargate, which was a Soviet Cold War era, that they were able to then bring people in and say, let's test this theory on these people. But based on something we have learned either about another civilization, something like, say, A.K. Roswell crash and that whole, entire deal with beings that we encountered. And by the way, the United States government has not just had extraterrestrial beings in our custody

besides Roswell. We had Arizona instances. We've had Brazil instances, which I'm sure the United States government was involved in. There has been many... Canada, everywhere. Yeah. Everywhere around the world has been major incidents. Yeah.

And so I'm going back and forth a little bit with the UFO thing, but it's important to know that at least our acknowledgement of the possibility of this. could have come from UFO interaction or UAP extraterrestrial interaction with the United States government. Somehow learning from them. Yeah. So the goals and objectives of this was the primary objective was Stargate was to determine the viability and effectiveness of using psychic abilities and particularly remote viewing for intelligence gathering purposes. Now, remote viewing refers to the illegibility to mentally perceive and describe. distant locations, people and objects without any physical proximity at all.

So by employing skilled individuals with psychic capabilities, the government aimed to obtain crucial intelligence that would be otherwise inaccessible through traditional means. So Operation Stargate involved a meticulous and systematic approach to investigate and harness psychic abilities. Now, the program was based at the Stanford Research Institute, which is the SRI, which was in Menlo Park in California, where a team of scientists, psychologists, and paranormal experts collaborated. They conducted extensive research, experimentation, and training programs with a select

a group of individuals processing purported psychic talents. Now, the research protocols typically involved a viewer, a person with psychic abilities, and a monitor, an individual responsible for guiding and recording the session. The viewer would attempt to mentally project themselves into a target location. The viewer, meaning the person that they're trying to get to see something that is not there.

Right, that's psychic. Yes. And they wanted them to be able to describe the details and observations of what they perceived in their view, right? The monitor would record the information provided by the viewer, and these reports were

then analyzed and compared against the actual intelligence data, right? Now, they started doing this also. Besides intelligence data, they did this in testing, right? And we'll talk about that in a minute. But Operation Stargate yielded both intriguing results and continuous debates. Now, or contentious debates. Now, according to mainstream media, they want you to believe the Operation Stargate, basically nothing came from it.

No, we didn't have anything. Don't worry about it. Didn't see nothing. And as we, I think, talked about on this, but we've done a couple before we actually did this. there was an intelligence officer that came out and said, oh, we had amazing results, and he was retired. We had an intelligence officer that was still in the, I believe, the CIA at the time, and said we really didn't get much, you know.

And so there was a huge difference. And someone that worked on a program that was retired now that said, no, we got amazing results and I'm not allowed to talk about it, but I'm just telling you, like it was nuts, what we actually witnessed and experience. And even in this interview with this, retired CIA guy, you know, and I think this was back in the early 2000s when they interviewed this guy, but, you know, supposedly they got rid of Stargate, right? Operator's Stargate was done, folded up, kind of like harp. But according to this guy, he's like, there's no way they stopped

that. Because he thinks they're still doing it today. Yeah, he said there's no way because the results that they got from this was mind-blowing. Right. And you've got to think about, like, look at yourself and think about yourself because I think there's a lot more people that think about themselves like I do think about myself and Chad kind of makes me feel like I'm crazy or something but I really feel like I'm just kidding I'm in tune with these other things

like I'm in tune with paranormal I'm in tune with even UFO kind of stuff I feel like my brain's there maybe I was genetically born that way or maybe I learned it. I just think you're more open to it. Or maybe I'm just open to it. I don't know.

I would like to know, though, if you guys can give us feedback, how many of you feel like that? Yeah. Well, I think there are more people open to it. But there's just, I think there's so much more than just being open to it.

I think there is a process. I mean, I think there is a method of being able to tap into this. And I think the government knew that. I think they utilized that method with people that they brought in. And I'm, and from, some of the reports I've heard that the government actually brought in people that both felt like

and had some substantial background of psychic abilities. And they also brought in people that didn't have the substantial background in psychic abilities, which the only thing I could think is, which is why it triggered my thought process when you said they could go in and train these people. Right. Because I did see and hear and read documents based on Stargate, the actual official CIA documents declassified. We talked about they had people in both. factions, people that never had the ability or didn't think they did and then vice versa. Right. And you have to have a control group to see if it's, you know, what it is. Yeah. So the outcomes, as we were talking about, is reports of successful remote viewing sessions

included descriptions of distant and installations, hidden military bases, and other declassified sites. And then critics argued that the results were inconclusive and lacked scientific rigor. But the problem with the critics is mostly critics based on the media perception of whenever this thing got to media, it was always the government that came out and said, oh, these lack credibility and blah, blah. But it was always the government that was the critics. It was not people outside of that because no one else knew. Well, the media, I'm sure. Yeah, it was an official that came out from these, you know, national intelligence agencies that would go on the media or in the newspapers and say, no, this is, no, we're not really saying. these were the critics.

So let's make no mistake here. The critics were the government that was actually doing the project. And if you're doing this project based on trying to gather and gain intelligence from your adversaries, you're of course not going to come out as an officer of the CIA or whoever and say, oh, it's working. This is working amazing. We know everything about all of them. We're doing great.

We can see through that crystal ball. So as the program progressed, it expanded its scope to investigate other psychic phenomena, such as telepathy and precognition. However, due to its inconsistent and inconclusive results, as they say, as well as growing skepticism within a scientific community, the funding of Operation Stargate was gradually reduced. Eventually in 1995, the project was officially declassified and terminated, as they say. Now, we have to remember, this thing went on forever. So there's no question whatsoever that this wasn't producing results.

you don't come into Operation Stargate in the 60s or the 70s and continue this thing until 95 and it produced no results for this long. I mean, give me a break. All they did was declassified wrapping into another program that will probably forever be classified and no one will ever know it. So now that they have harnessed their ability to really hone in on the perfectness of what they have figured out, now it is a classified top secret weapon. and so now it'll no longer be a part of any operation, anything.

And I think that... And I'm telling you, this will probably be something huge. And that's why Chad was saying it does have to do with UFOs, aliens, whatever, because I think we harnessed this ability or learned this ability through other beings. Yeah. Well, the thing is, it left a significant impact on the fields of parapsychology and consciousness studies, the research and training methods developed during the project continued to influence subsequent investigations into psychic abilities

and Operation Stargate sparked public interest and debate surrounding the boundaries of human perception and the potential existence of a psychic phenomenon. It also paved the way for subsequent research initiatives, both within and outside the government, exploring the limits of human consciousness and the unexplained aspects of the mind. So let's get in a little bit of a little bit.

little bit into this consciousness thing, right? Because we got to talk about this. It's, the conscious thing kind of blows my mind. It is. It's almost like infinity to me. Kind of. It goes out there to almost a point where do I really understand what consciousness is? Yes. We don't. We don't know what consciousness exactly is, but we do know it is way bigger than we think it is, right? consciousness is a very complex and multifaceted phenomenon that refers to, I guess, I guess, the subjective experience of being aware of oneself. Right, right. And one surroundings and the mental states and processes that occur within our own mind, right? And we all kind of get that.

We know who we are as ourselves and we know our own minds. Yes. And we also know that ourselves and our own minds are not. nothing like anyone else's self are on mind. Yeah. We all have different minds and different selves. Yeah. Have you ever thought about, have you ever, because I've thought about this many times,

laying in bed sometimes. Like, why am I me? Yeah. Like, how am I, how am I able to see what I see? Yeah. Why can I not see what they see? Right. And how is it me?

Yeah. And is there any other exact me's out there? No. And the answer I think is no. I think we're all like, definitely our own me's and our own selves. Yes. But why and how?

Now, consciousness is basically a state of being conscious, awake, sentient, right? Conscious is a fundamental aspect of human experience, but it remains a topic of ongoing philosophical, scientific, neurological studies. I mean, we don't know what it is, but we do know that we believe that is heavily connected to our universe, right? I mean, if we want to think about the universe and they ask, of, you know, when you think about how big the universe is, infinite, right? Right.

If you think about the infancy of universe, and we watched this documentary on Netflix a few days ago, and I was not in the position to watch this documentary because it kind of blew your mind as far as they start getting to numbers and the mathematical equations of infancy and how it just keeps on going, and there's never, ever an end, and it's not possible to really ever have an end. Right. And that's pretty much how the universe is. There's no end.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what I'm, yeah. With the numbers, yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And yeah, so they compared it with the numbers based on the universe. But the consciousness thing is even more complex, right? I mean, you think of infancy, which is very complicated and complex, but then you think of what our actual consciousness is.

Now, we've talked many times on this podcast about interdimensional, all right? And the ability to communicate potentially. with beings from another dimension, right? Now, I want to tap into something real quick before we go too much more into consciousness. We did an episode on harp, right? Which was the harp is, or CERN, not harp, sorry, CERN, which is the large Hadron Collider over in, I believe, Switzerland.

I believe in Switzerland. And over there, what they're trying to do is they have a particle collider and like atoms, which is what most of what we see are made up of. Yeah, that's what we're made up of, is atoms. So they have found the God particle, right? The Higgs bosom, as they call it. And it is a new particle. And they use this, I don't know if you want to call it laser, but whatever it is.

This particle collider thing that they also do through this massive tube deal, and they also send this into space. They're trying to figure all these ways to find new. particles, right? So we've talked about in the past third dimension, which is what we see. That's a physical dimension. But it is a dimension, right? Right. A physical dimension is nonetheless a dimension. It is a physical. You see it. If you see it's like three dimensional, like cubes and, you know, anything that's, your computer screen, your desk. That's not flat. Anything that has a matter or. And it's made of physical. Right. It's a physical substance. Yeah, you're right. It's a matter-based physical substance made of wood. rock, biological material, whatever, whatever it is, made a material. And then that's why it's very interesting because past the third, you have the fourth, which is time is what they believe is the fourth dimension, which is a, the concept and constraints of time and what that means, right? And here it sounds easy to understand is time. But then when you start getting to space and space time and how time is manipulated based on

so many different things closer to wormholes and it's nuts. But even our own time has been made up by humans. Yes. So we don't even really know the concept of time is. Yeah, you're right. We just, we have developed a way to measure it here on Earth, right? To measure it and keep track of it. In our way, yeah.

In our way, like calendars. So then, so we've talked about, and the reason I'm getting into this, again, because consciousness, and we've got to think about consciousness, consciousness, Consciousness is beyond the fifth or sorry, the fourth dimension. I don't know if consciousness would necessarily be in the fifth dimension. I think it is. It could be. Because that is the fifth dimension is consciousness.

Maybe. It is. We don't know for sure, though. It is. But we don't know that. No, we do know it is. That's a fifth kind, but that doesn't necessarily mean the fifth dimension. Okay, sorry.

But what I'm saying is, no, you're right. I mean, it could be the fifth dimension. I don't know. It could be the 10th, right? But what CERN did was it did at least prove, at least from what many people say, that it could have potentially already found 10 dimensions, right? Right. And if we think of how complicated the fourth dimension is, which is time, and then you start talking about consciousness, right? Like thinking about why are we here?

Why are we seeing the third dimension? We can understand the fourth. But how do we get past the fourth dimension? How do we connect? How do we understand our soul inside of our bodies? Because to me, it's two different things. I think your soul is within a physical part of your body, but your soul is not physical. Yes.

Now, one thing I want to say, and before, listen, and we've talked very heavily on this podcast about God. We've talked about, you know, I do believe in God. I believe when you die, you go somewhere. I believe you go to heaven. You guys might believe something different. But regardless of the fact, that is another dimension. What the Bible specifically explains in where you go when you die is interdimensional. It could be, yes.

It is. If you go to heaven, it would be a different dimension, yes. And even in the Bible, not only does it talk about when you go to heaven, and by the way, if you guys believe in the Koran or whatever it is, you go somewhere else, right? I mean, every Bible you go somewhere else, and that somewhere else is another dimension. It doesn't matter how you want to try to explain it away. It is another dimension. And it's not just you as a person.

It's, you know, your body goes in the ground. That's your body. That's your shell. But your energy is gone. But your energy, your soul goes somewhere else. And that's a big difference. So I'm getting to a point here. But heaven would be say, I don't know, whatever dimension you want to say.

But, you know, growing up and especially atheists and a lot of people that would always say there's no such thing as God. no such thing is an afterlife. That's all BS. Let's go into science about this. The science doesn't prove any of that. But the reality of it is that science actually does prove there's other dimensions, which is where the Bible basically says you go. The Bible says you go to somewhere else that you can't explain. If you don't understand. Yeah. For sure. But the Bible says you can't understand it. The Bible also says that one day on earth is a thousand years in heaven. What does that tell you? Well, if you think about space and time, well, space and time, we know that time and space is heavily distorted. If you think about scientific research and everything that they've done near and close to black holes or wormholes or planets that are near or in different areas of space,

interstellar movie did it fantastically where it talked about they had to go to this planet. We talked about this numerous times. They went to this planet. Their central control on Earth, which they were way far away from Earth, they told them if you go to this planet, planet try to rescue your other shipmates, then an hour there is going to be seven years on Earth, or 10 years, whatever it was. Well, in the Bible it says, guys, one day on Earth is 1,000 years in heaven. So the Bible basically tells you that space and time and this dimension of where heaven

is is completely constrained and manipulated by space time. That's literally what the Bible says. But the Bible says a thousand years. if you really are thinking about the fourth dimension. Yes, it's distance. But how is the Bible even measuring that time? We don't know. We don't know, Sherry.

But the reality is that I don't think our civilization and our past and all that stuff has been as dumb as we think they are. I mean, it is, you know, the amount of things that it was said in the Bible, not just that Bible. There are many Bibles and religious books that say very similar things. A lot of it, even if you go back to the Rome days, the ancient Rome days, you go back to the Egyptian ancient days and their ability to absolutely know time and space and everything in space and how it worked. Right, right. So don't say like, how did the Bible know this? No, I'm just saying to me, like when I used to talk to my dad about the Bible, even in the beginning, you know, it's 40 days, 40 nights or whatever.

Well, 40 days is a lot different to us than it is in a different dimension. But he's probably explaining this on the earthly scale. Right, exactly. But anyways, look, I want to go too deep in the woods here. My point is that consciousness we don't understand. And my only point to this is that everyone, science and everyone that's kind of trying to sort of get into this consciousness realm of UFOs and UAPs even and our ability to potentially communicate with UFOs. in you apiece, in this other consciousness, right? This is what I'm saying.

There's a lot of people on one side of the fence that says, no, we can communicate with these things through another dimension. These same people also don't believe in the Bible and religions because it is not, you can't see it. You don't, so if you can't see it, you don't believe it. That's been the argument forever. But maybe we just can't see it because we're not, open to see it. If you open yourself to see this, you're going to see this the same way you would

open yourself to see something else that you want to see. But there's two very different sides of this. And I don't think they're different. I don't think heaven, when the Bible and God explain what heaven is, you go to this place and you have a new body and everything is perfect and you're happy forever, right? How is that any different than UFOs and UAPs and especially UFOs and UAPs that could be interdimensional, which is what the government themselves, and I don't want to go too far in UFO and UIPs, but the government themselves say potentially the most natural explanation for these objects in the Pentagon documents say they are probably interdimensional.

Yes, and I 100% agree with you. Now, the connection with interdimensional, and what we're talking about is consciousness. Now, there are aliens and UFOs that a lot of people believe can, what is the word? go back and forth Through a physical and a I guess consciousness realm

Right They can materialize themselves In a physical ability And they can do Both right So consciousness is very intriguing But also though Chad we got to get into the other

Phenomenoms or whatever you say it Like ghosts or spirits Or people that have died And people can contact I don't know anything about that. I really feel like it's the same realm. It could be. It's interdimensional.

Yeah, it could be. I mean, you know, there's a lot of people that are religious and Christians, which I'm a Christian. I believe in God and Jesus and everything. But I don't necessarily, I don't buy the whole, if you believe in ghost or not ghosts, but if you are able to communicate in some way, or even with UFOs, there's a lot of people out there. They're Christians that believe if you allow this UFO thing in your life that you're, is like, talking to the devil.

But that's not true. And it's the same thing with spirits. Like if you feel like you're talking to somebody and you know it and you have the capability of doing that, I think that's a great possibility that that's who you're talking to. Because if heaven is interdimensional, like you're saying it is, and they have the ability to travel through time, then why could you not talk to spirits? Yeah, I know. Well, so here's some.

of the things that there are several theories that approaches to study in consciousness, right? So there's called dualism. Now dualism posits that consciousness is separate from physical matter and that exists as a distinct entity, right? So according to this view, the mind or consciousness is non-physical or metaphysical and interacts with the physical body. The perceptive have philosophical roots and has been associated with the idea. of Descartes, right? So don't know exactly what that means, but what they're basically saying is consciousness is

opposite of physical, but it is but it does interact with the physical realm. It's like your soul outside your body. Yes. Materialism. So materialism, also known as physicalism or monism, asserts that consciousness arises solely from the physical processes

of the brain. According to the view, all mental phenomena including subjective experiences can be explained in terms of neural activity and the functioning of the brain. But we got to stop right there right now. Because you think about the neural functioning of your brain. And the transmitters and on the stuff.

Yeah, it's all transmitted. It's all electronic transmitting for your body to realize your brain is telling you this. And, you know, your brain's saying lift your right hand. Yeah, the actual signals your brain sends to the other physical part is a signal, not a physical thing. Right. So that's what we have to understand. The communication within your brain is not a physical thing.

Your brain is a conductor of that energy. Yes. But nonetheless, everything you think or feel is an energy, not a physical, actual deal. So if your brain transmits, oh, your hand is on a hot pad, take your hand off. It is transmitting a signal. Right. Not physically, but in a signal saying it's hot, get it off there. Yes.

Yes, you make a great point there. And so to say that our brains can operate through signals, right? In our brain, these currents, these electro currents that go that fire back and forth. Right. And you're saying that you can't then detach another signal to adapt something else. Because we know that signals can go through waves. I mean, think of Wi-Fi, think of telephone signals, think of your cell phone signal. Those are all electromagnetic frequencies and otherwise and radio, and radio,

frequencies and so on. And there's another reason why people believe that a lot of these things can cause cancer, all this stuff, because of how much it interacts with your brain and your physical matter that is in your brain. That's also, you know, with UFO encounters and UAP encounters, with the radiation sensitivity that people have. Well, our physical biological bodies are not used to interacting with more than what our physical brains, you know, are able to do, which is the currents that are, the currents that

our brains are constantly communicating with each other, firing those electrons and neurons. That's why it's called nervous system. It's called what? That nervous system. Oh, nervous system. I don't know what the hell you said right there. That's your nervous system. That's like all the electronic signals.

Yeah. Signals. But so to say that we can do that, but we can't at all interact with other pathways or signals is not, it just doesn't seem right. It doesn't. It doesn't make sense. It's kind of similar in some ways to where you could utilize a Wi-Fi router to get another signal. You just have to know how to do it. Now, that Wi-Fi router was built to communicate with the computers or communicate with all this other stuff.

That's what it's known to do. But that doesn't mean you could not use that Wi-Fi router to also communicate with other things if you had to. If someone knew how to do it, you could do that. And it's just about sending another signal. Exactly. And that's the same thing with our bodies. Yeah, our brains and our bodies. So the materialism is the second aspect of consciousness.

Integrated information is the theory, and it's also called IIT, that's proposed by neuroscientist Giulio Tanniano, that suggests that consciousness emerges from the integration of information within a complex network of neural connections. According to this theory, consciousness is a property of systems that can integrate and differentiate information in a highly specific and irreducible manner. Now, he's basically saying that this is kind of a network of information between your neural network. So, and he believes that it doesn't go outside of your own network, which I don't believe whatsoever. Me either.

Global workspace theory is that, and this was proposed, by psychologist Bernard Barr's, posits that consciousness arises from the global broadcasting of information in the brain. According to this theory, information becomes conscious when it is widely accessible to different brain regions, enabling cognitive processes and voluntary control. That's another theory. I also, I don't know, not necessarily as much on that theory as these people that come out and say this, but he's basically saying, if you put something out there to the world, kind of,

that it's out there. See, and I kind of believe that. Yeah. Neural correlates of consciousness or NCC. The NCC approach seeks to identify the neural mechanisms or specific brain activities that are associated with conscious experiences. Research in this field aims to identify the brain regions, neural networks, or patterns of brain activity that are readily linked to conscious awareness. So that's the other one. But can we go back to the other one?

Well, I think the first one is, I don't know which one you're talking about. The last one you just read, where your consciousness can actually make something else happen outside your body or your consciousness. Well, it's just talking about the broadcasting of information in the brain. Yeah, but they're saying it only stays in your brain. I don't believe that because I think you can have thoughts and your thoughts can make things happen. Yes. But so what, so let's, so we've talked about all this. those things. And most of these little experts, as they call them, two through five, say that

it's all about our brain and what our brain's telling us. But the most evidence that supports anything of consciousness actually goes towards number one, right? And the most evidence towards number one, and it also goes with Operation Stargate, which is why they spent years and years, and I believe still do this, is that dualism, which, you know, it basically talks about, talks about that consciousness is separate from physical matter and that exist as a distinct entity. Yes. And that is that is that is that is the most studied and the most propagated theory of why and how psychics exist. Yeah. Why Stargate existed to begin with. And and according to this theory and view that the mind or consciousness is non-physical or metaphysical and

interacts with the physical body. It interacts with a physical body, but it is not a not, it is not constrained or, or wrapped into the physical body itself. To the body, exactly. So it can say, oh, your hand is on a hot pad, lift it up. But your brain also can go outside the body and think about things. Yeah. And do other things outside of the body because they're not one. Your soul and your brain, I mean, your soul and your body are different.

No, you're absolutely right. No, you're right.