Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Our UFO Files 2 Episode With Ashton Forbes Completely Derailed | Ashton Quits mid Interview

Episode Date: May 25, 2026

Tonight’s episode was originally supposed to be a deep dive into Round 2 of the UFO files, the latest UAP footage, and the growing similarities some researchers believe connect modern orb sightings to the MH370 mystery. Returning guest Ashton Forbes joined us to discuss the newest developments surrounding UFO disclosure, advanced technology theories, and the videos that made him one of the most controversial voices in the community.But the conversation quickly went off the rails.What started as a discussion about UFOs and government secrets unexpectedly shifted into a heated clash over politics, Israel, conspiracy culture, and the growing divide inside the truth movement itself. Ashton openly criticized parts of the conspiracy community, tensions escalated live on air, and the interview ultimately ended with Ashton quitting mid-conversation. After he left, Chad and Sheri stayed on to break down what happened, where the conversation changed, and what this says about the current state of the UFO and conspiracy world.Our Merch StoreOur Telegram Channel - Lets Chat

Hey guys, welcome to the podcast. We have a little intro before the intro, which is weird. It's new. It's very strange that we're doing this unless we re-release an episode. But the reason why I want to come on before is I wanted to say that we were going to have Ashton Forbes on tonight, which we did for about 35 minutes. And Ashton Forbes were those that do not remember who Ashton Forbes is. We were actually the first podcast he ever came on.

He went on to do a lot of research and investigation into the MH370 disappearance. He believed that the orbs that encircled MH370 on the videos that some of you have probably seen were the reason why the plane disappeared. We had a falling out probably about six or eight months ago when he started to, I guess, go against anyone that believed in any conspiracies, anyone that questioned Charlie Kirk, anyone that questioned Israel and what they were doing in Gaza and Palestine or wherever. It doesn't matter. And so I had made a couple of comments. And he had also come on our podcast to respond to Ian Carroll before. But the other night, I reached out to him and said, hey, look, the UFO files are coming out. I want you to come on our show because I want you to talk about the UFO files.

I want you to talk about Amherstreet 70. There are some of these videos I think vindicate those videos and kind of give you credence for that you were telling the truth and that your investigative work has been true. Like, I want you to come on. Let's put our differences aside. Let's put our differences aside. I'm sorry about the politics, whatever, whatever. Let's just do what we got to do. let's talk on the show.

And so it seems like that he did not necessarily want to talk about UFOs tonight. He instead wanted to air out his grievances with us. And that is the about first 35 minutes of the show. And then we will break down the episode after the first 35 minutes. We will have a UFO files episode coming up. But unfortunately, it's not this one. So I'm not exactly sure what this episode is going to be called. I think you guys will be entertained at the very least.

I did not know this was going to be a debate. Ashton is not very easy to debate because he likes to over talk or just say what he wants to say. I don't really want you to say what you want to say, whatever the case is. I was hoping that maybe this could mend our relationship regardless of political beliefs or whatever, but apparently I think it went the opposite direction. So instead of not releasing it and just ending it when he left the show, because he did actually end up leaving the show, he disconnected. I'll let you hear it now. Here you go.

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I'm your host chat alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. Tonight we're joined again by independent MH370 investigator, Ashton Forbes, the man who is spent years diving into the mysterious videos that appear to be showing the missing airliner surrounded by glowing orbs before vanishing in a flash. Ashton believes the footage points to something far beyond conventional aviation, possibly involving reverse engineering technology, advanced propulsion system, or something the public was never meant to see. And what makes tonight's conversation even more in settling is the timing, as another wave of UFO and UAP files continue to surface, some of the newly discussed footage and descriptions seem eerily

similar to the same orb-like phenomena connected to the MH-Stre 70 mystery. Coincidence, disinformation, campaign, or evidence that there's a deeper connection between these cases tonight. We're going to talk about it. Guys, welcome to the show. It is May the 24th, I believe. And I'm very excited about this episode. We've not had Ashton on the show in quite some time.

We have talked a decent amount about UFOs and UAPs over the past three or four weeks. obviously the U.S. government has just released, I guess, file drop two over the past few days. And it seems like almost no one gives a shit, which is crazy to me. I mean, we're in a time where the government is actually telling you, hey, we think aliens exist. We think these UFOs are real. We know we have proof. We have all these things that we want to release to you guys. And then even as we've talked about on previous episodes, where these pastors went to meet with U.S. government

officials, at least from what we're hearing. And so what the U.S. government officials allegedly told these pastors were to get their congregation ready for as they release these files that many of the congregation members may have a lot of questions. And so we're going to talk about all of that. We've not had Ashton on in quite some time. Ashton actually, we were one of the first podcast. I think the first podcast, Ashton was on in the very beginning when he started this investigation into MH370 and I believe it's probably been two to three years now that he's been in this actively and Ash and I got to be honest with you man the other day on file drop two it was strange because as I started seeing some of these videos one of the things that I saw in a couple of the videos

reminded me eerily similar of the MH370 videos in particular I guess the way that some of the infrared or the FLIR systems appear um also kind of some of the writing or text on some of these videos and the way they, I guess, were presented. They look very similar to some of the MH370 videos. First of all, welcome back to the show.

Obviously, we've had our disagreements politically over the past year, but the reason why I definitely wanted to bring you back on is number one, you're still a friend of us and you've been, I mean, we've been together kind of since you started for sure in this whole investigation. And I think this is a very important topic to discuss. And I couldn't really think of anybody smarter to bring on to discuss this than you.

So welcome back. Yeah, I appreciate it. And yeah, let's touch on that for a second because I came out and said that Charlie Kirk wasn't killed by Israel. And I had you and a bunch of other people rail on me and I lost tens of thousands of followers for saying that Tyler Robinson did it. And now they're saying that they got videos of Tyler Robinson doing it. And everybody was harping and railing on me about this. And ultimately, here's my point to you. I'm going to end up being right about that.

Doesn't matter. Don't even really care. I don't care who killed Charlie Kirk. I never even knew who Charlie Kirk was, never met him personally myself. And I don't really care what you guys all believe either. I'm going to tell you what is the truth. And here's what I want you guys to understand. And not just you, but the listeners as well, especially the ones who have been railing on me,

saying I'm an Israel shill or whatever other bullshit. If that's your view, you're definitely never getting zero point energy technology as long as you live. I just want to say this plainly in the same. simply as I possibly can. If that's your perspective, if that's how you look at the world, you have no chance of ever getting this technology. So you can either try to absorb that information and live with that reality or you can rail against it. Whatever you want to do, I'm just telling you how it is. Yeah. Well, I mean, the Charlie Kirk thing, number one, I mean, we've obviously covered the Charlie Kirk assassination a few times on the show.

We've never ourselves like hardcore said, hey, we think Israel's behind this. we have never been kind of the, I guess at the very least on the E.N side and some of these others that have just said 100% unequivocally, this was Israel. Although I do believe there are a lot of strange things around the Charlie Kirk assassination 100%. I think that the investigation is, you know, even though, yes, it is still an active investigation. And yes, they're not going to release a lot of information while the investigation is pending. But there is still a lot of stuff that I do not find, I don't. don't know, believable, I guess you can say. And what I will say is that the people that have been 100% on the, hey, we think it's the Israel side. And you, on the other hand, have been 100% on the

other side. I see at the very least the Israel side as much as I would see that, hey, this is the guy we have in custody. But they just really haven't showed us anything. And in with everything to Israel and everything that has been going on inside of the United States government, obviously a lot of people have a lot of this trust about Israel and about their involvement in the U.S. government and, you know, all of the conspiracies surrounding that. So can I just give my point real quick? Because many of you know that I grew up in a Jewish family and I have come to the screen kicking and shouting and yelling and screaming saying, you know, pro Israel, I am pro Israel. I stand by Israel no matter what. And when we when this Charlie Kirk thing started happening or when it did happen and then Candice Owens got

her podcast and started saying all these different things about these text messages coming through. I was like, well, girl, if you have the proof, then show it. And I'll apologize. Because I don't believe any of this stuff that you guys are saying. I think it's all bullshit. You know, and they've come out with all these videos. I'm not necessarily thinking at that time that Tyler Robinson was the lone wolf that was the only person indicated in this murder. I think there were other people involved no matter who it is.

But the fact was I was a strong held fast, strong fast held, whatever you want to call it, pro-Israel person. And I came to here saying, this is all bullshit. Show me the receipts. But when Candace did come out with those receipts and those text messages, I did personally have to come in and apologize and say I was wrong. But she did show receipts. And that's where kind of my mind started switching. And it had nothing to do with going against Ashton. And if you want to know the truth, I've always stood behind Ashton no matter what.

So that's just my stance. Yeah. So let me jump in. The reason why I bring this up is that people are taking advantage of our biases. And with respect to the UFO phenomenon, they are taking advantage of our ignorance. They are saying, we don't know what this has to be aliens. I don't know what I'm looking. Did you see any aliens in any of the videos that were released in files one or two, like 90 videos or whatever it is?

No. There's not one alien in any of those. There's some blobs floating around. There's no ETs that I saw. And yet all of the government-affiliated UFO people are all on mainstream media yelling that no one can understand this. No one can explain this. This must be ETs. They're taking advantage of people's biases.

And this is the same thing that was happening was what you just told me right there. I don't give a crap if it was Israel or whoever else. This is the problem. The people that say it was Israel, they do care. They are biased and opinionated. They don't care what the truth is. They wanted to be Israel no matter what. I follow the evidence.

The evidence is Tyler Robinson did it, period. And he admitted to it in recorded messages that are submitted to the courts. Random text messages, which I know where those text messages came from. You're talking about the ones that say, oh, oh, Charlie was turning on Israel. Because someone got a leaked out of context message from. him being mad at a donor. And that came from Andrew Colvin. And Andrew Colvin said who leaked it.

It was Joe fucking Kent. And now I know exactly what happened. I know how Candace Owens got that. Joe Kent's wife works for Max Blumenthal. And Candice Owens never said Max Blumenthal's name, never supported him ever until he reported on that, on this claim that Charlie was turning on Israel. And then suddenly Candice Owens has the text messages that got from Andrew Colvin, to Joe Kent, to Joe Kent's wife, to Max Blumenthal.

It's not a surprise. And these people all hate Israel. It's not about the truth with them. It's about them making up a fake narrative. What they did was they saw that text message. They knew they could take it out of context and they knew they could develop a fake narrative out of it. And it worked.

It worked on you. You just said literally that changed your mind. That was the receipts that changed your mind. It was a completely fabricated thing. And I called them all out on it. I called Max Blumenthal directly out on it. Well, hold on. That's how they take advantage of your bias.

and I want you to be aware of it. Well, listen, but the text messages were not fake. I mean, the text messages of him saying that, hey, this is what happened. The context is fake. Well, I don't believe so. He was never turning on Israel for even one second. He was their top guy. He wrote a glowing letter.

And, and let me finish, Max Blumenthal, 100% lied about the letter. He said the letter that hadn't been released was him turning on Israel. and it was the most glowing review telling Netanyahu how to propagandize us even better. He's a fucking liar. But Ashton, we're talking about text messages from Charlie Kirk himself. And not only text messages, we're also talking about multiple interviews leading up to his assassination. So this is not just one text. Two weeks before he died, two weeks, he said the people that blame everything on the Jews,

which is all these people, they have brain rot. and they're literally demonic from the seventh pit of hell. All this shit people are doing out of context was not him turning on it. Ian Carroll himself, three days before he died, said he was their top guy. Before any of the evidence was out, Ian Carroll was claiming Israel did it. These people are con artists, objectively. Ian Carroll's a fucking con artist. Max Blumenthal is a con artist.

And if you're listening to them, you are never getting zero point energy. in this reality. Let's end it there and now you can tell me about the, ask me about the UFOs and you can judge whether or not the information I'm telling you is, is accurate. But hold on, but before we get in that, because you, we can't just leave it this. You have to understand, you think it sounds like and you just said. No, we can't. They are fucking con artists.

I'm saying this on the record is a statement of fact. I get it. But you're made up a fake, if you're going to make statements. 100% fabricated narrative that is not based on evidence and not. based on reality and they did it with intention to deceive. But you're trying to say that these people just hate Israel and they want everything to be Israel. But you do understand what happened in Gaza, what's happened in Lebanon, what what Israel wants

for the entire Middle East, that is not fabricated. That's none of our fucking concerns. We're in America, dude. No, but it is. Where do you think you live? Have you ever even been to the Middle East? It is our concern when number one, we just spent billions. You don't give a shit about any other country.

Are you not listening? pretend to care about Gaza. None of you give a shit about Gaza. Let's be clear. Let's be 100% clear. First of all, hold on. Ian Carroll doesn't care about Gaza. He's never been there.

None of the people saying that this is an operation to basically turn people against the administration, nothing more. That's not true. That's not true. I mean, look, if you think that Ian Carroll, if you think that that is reality, listen to me, if you think that the Middle East ever in your life, just tell the truth, right. The Ian Carroll's, listen, if you think that the Ian Carroll's in the can. Lentis-O-Wen's. Hold on, Ashton.

Let me talk. If you think that the Ian Carrolls and the Candace Owens and all these people are literally just out to undermine this administration, that's ridiculous. Because what this administration has done

has undermined themselves. And it started, first of all started. They've done everything they've said. It started with the Epstein files. That's what, that's number one how it started. What files are three and a half million files left at the very least.

Tell me. Tell me specifically which ones. They are refusing to release. The ones are. refusing to release. 3,000. Which ones? Three million.

There aren't anybody. They're 3.5 million files. You can't make shit up and then demand people release it. So you think Abstein files are a hoax like Trump said? We have the files. No, we don't. Can you not think critically? We don't have the files though, Ashen.

They admitted that we have three and a half million. There's nothing incriminating against anyone. What are you going to convict on based on any of that? Yeah, when it's blacked out, you can't convict shit because they can convict anything they want. There's nothing incriminating. It doesn't matter if they unblack out the names. The names. are blacked out because they legally must be blacked out.

But Ashton, this isn't a matter of people covering things up. And this is what's so absurd about this Epstein shit. You guys got to get off. The problem with this is, Ashen, is you're acting like all these people that want it to be everything Israel. Israel is putting themselves in this position. No, they are not as American. And by the way, do you want to get?

They literally aren't doing anything. They aren't doing anything. There's no war going on or anything right now. Are you, are you literally gaslighting yourself? What do you think's happening? I have no idea what's happening right now. Like, because there's no way you're gaslighting me because we know that Lebanon and Gaza. Instead of just insinuating things, state the facts.

Well, the facts are they've killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people in the Middle East. Who cares? We've killed up multiple countries. Of course we have. And which is why we. By the way. By the way. And Syria.

Yeah, which is why. What do you want? But listen, it's the exact same shit and the exact same reason that you talk about the government and how they've been. hiding the bullshit, which was one of the biggest conspiracies is MH3-70. Yeah, it is. The people say, oh, Ashton, you can't say that they, that we didn't

didn't, that Israel didn't kill Charlie Kirk because you said magic orb spinning around the plane. So this is where you guys reveal yourself. It was never really about believing mine. And you were just a bunch of schizzoes who believed anything. But the moment I turn against you, you go, oh, you're a coupque. It believes in spinning

orbs around the plane. No, Ashton, you went from, no, first of all, yeah, but we don't just push bullshit. And if you want to call people cooks that we're literally trying to, first of all, how much research have you even done on the Israel and the situation that's going on there? Because there are people that actually do their fucking research when it comes to what's actually happening in the Middle East. Like, how do you have time to actually look into what's going on? Do you look into the Israel involvement in the United States politics? Do you look at how many

soldiers are in danger? And look, we've lost what? How many nine or ten? You don't look. to it either. This is my point. Yes, we do. You don't care about it. This is our job, Ashton. Let's stop virtue signaling and pretending like we care about some shithole country in the other side of the world. No one gives a crap about any of those sand countries. Well, when they start all dying, we should care. Oh, I care so much about the genocide. No, you don't. Shut the fuck up. Yeah, we do. We do. We do actually, which is why, which is why we would call the U.S. military the same way we do in Israel. That's why you don't go try to help. That's why you don't try to give aid to them. That's why you do literally nothing because you don't care.

Hey, by the way, if we tried to give aid to them, it would just be blockaded because that's what's been happening the whole time. The internet about our administration. You don't actually do anything. So which is it? So which is it? So which is it is all I'm asking. Stop pretending.

You said that all of these grifters are the ones that just will make anything Israel. So which is it? Are they against the Trump administration or are they against Israel? Or are they just against everybody? They're mainly just against Israel. and because Trump and Israel are currently allies, they're against Trump. It's really not that hard. What I mean, you can even predict the future.

The best science predicts the future and here you go. Whatever is against Israel, those people will be for it. And that's why you literally see Hassan Piker and Nick Fuentes saying the exact same things on social media. What's the common thread? They hate Israel. They literally have no integrity, no positions. They'll just believe literally anything and say. anything as long as you're saying, but you're saying the same thing on the contrary as everyone

else that we see on social media, which are usually, it seems like the paid, the paid influencers. I mean, let's just be honest. A lot of the same bullshit. The paid influencers are the one saying that everything's Israel. That's so who are they being paid by the 7K. Nobody was being paid paid. Nobody was being paid by Thomas Massey. I will guarantee you Thomas Massey who's paying influencers 100%. No one. 100%. And then you say, oh, it's the other side doing it. It's literally always the people dropping the accusations doing it themselves. That's the funniest part.

Show me proof of anybody getting paid to say pro-Israel. But you think, but you think if the Trump administration would have came in and actually did what they said they were going to do that these people would still go against Trump. Is that what you're saying because he hasn't? What has Trump? What has he done that he said he was going to do? Why don't you tell me that? We deported a shitload of people.

So many so. Less than Obama so far. Protesting it. Less than Obama so far. But go ahead. So who cares? So many that people are literally afraid that there's signs downstairs in my apartment complex about if you need help from the ice agents. And my coffee shop locked the doors for a month, for a month.

But look at the numbers, Ashton. I mean, Obama deported more people. Obama deported more people in this term, this amount of time. Look at the numbers. Get off it. So he deported people. Yes. Took over countries.

Let's see. Kidnap the president of Venezuela using some discombobulator tech. So you think that's a good thing, though. Yeah. So let's lay it out. You asked me to come here about UFOs. Well, yeah, and you started this. So we'll continue this.

We had to air it out because you didn't want to have me come on and you even mentioned, oh, we didn't have you come on for a little long time. Well, let's talk about the reason why. This is why you didn't have me come on. All right. But I think that between all three of us, we are all truth seekers. And to call us not a truth seeker is just wrong as a friend. And, you know, somebody that's been a friend of you.

and I think the same with you. I think you're this way and Ashton's this way and that's me. But the weird thing is Ashton wasn't anyway until all this shit started with the Trump thing, which makes no sense to me. And I think that's what makes no sense to anyone. I still support Trump. Well, when we dig into this, but let me say this, I don't think you guys are being dishonest. You wouldn't have me on here if you were.

Candace Jones will definitely never have me back on because she would be afraid of anything that I would say, absolutely. Well, let's just say that we 100. I think that you guys just got taken for a ride. That's my honest opinion. Well, I don't think so. that you're wrong about everything doesn't mean you're being dishonest. I can be wrong about stuff too.

And who knows, maybe it'll come out that there is secret evidence that Israel secretly paid Tyler Robinson to do it or something like that. I don't think so. But that's not our biggest thing. The point is none of us are right about everything and none of us are wrong about anything. But I can tell you that Matt, that Candace Owens, Max Blumenthal, those people are lying intentionally and they do have an agenda. Well, anyways, let's just put it this way.

Charlie Kirk has not been our main thing to accuse Israel of Charlie Kirk. I mean, yes, there's definitely weird shit in the Charlie Kirk assassination 100%. Have we always consistently blamed on Israel? No, actually, I don't even know that we've hardly ever or maybe ever blamed on Israel. That's kind of been one of the only things that we've kind of been like, well, I don't know. It's just, I mean, that's what people are saying, but like we don't know that shit. There's really no proof of it. Well, I think the biggest thing you talk about is like APEC and having 40 governments

interested in our voting. Well, not interested, but funding to the tune of $30 million, for example, in Thomas Massey. with Israel. Look, man, I want to get rid of the foreign funding too, especially because we're about to reveal like teleportation technology and free energy technology. Like the world's about to become a really, really, really dangerous place. But the reality is the people that talk about ending APEC, whatever, they don't give a fuck about foreign funding either. This shit about them caring about all funds and foreign funding. They don't care about that. They've never, ever, ever cared about foreign funding ever. And they still don't, only in the

context of Israel, which is a minuscule amount of our foreign funding. So it actually, it's so clearly biased at the end of the day. Just the facts lay it out. But people hated the Ukraine situation. If you're going to be against the answer, just say you're against Israel. Just say you're against Jews. Coming with all these roundabout excuses for why, oh, no, it's because of the genocide. Oh, no, it's because we pay them money and we shouldn't do that.

Like, just say the truth. Say what you really believe. But it's not really about Jews. I'm not Jewish. I mean, maybe for... I'm not pro-Israel. I'm not pro any of this. I'm just pro people being honest with themselves.

Okay, but you also understand that like we hated also the funding of the Ukraine war, right? I mean, to the tune of billions. Like, we hated that shit too. And guess who was against us for that? That was Democrats. We probably give Ukraine like a million times more money and funding that we've given Israel. I don't know.

I don't know that numbers are, but I'm sure it's ridiculous. But either way, but listen, but here's my point in a day. and I think this is a lot of people's points. The point is that it's okay to be as a Republican and conservative against funding Ukraine. It's okay to be against that because the Democrats had the Ukraine flags in their bio. But as soon as similar things happen, and especially what's happened on the contrary after October 7th in Israel, then you become anti-Semitic. And that's bullshit. And I think that absolutely we should be as against Israel received in funding and the United States being involved.

in their in their bullshit in the middle east as we should have been against the ukraine war and that's exactly what we've done we called out the ukraine war continually i don't know where kandis and ean or if any of them were calling that shit out but we were because we don't want billions of dollars going to a foreign country for fucking bullshit corruption which obviously we we knew the hunter biden was in ukraine uh you know funneling money uh sam bankman freed all the crypto bullshit and the money laundering it's all one bunch of conglomerate bullshit and we were against Ukraine as we are Israel. But the differences is that we're not called anti-Semitic if you're against what's going

on in Israel that we're involved in. But we, you know, or sorry, in Ukraine, but we're called anti-Semitic because it's Israel. And I think that's what people are sick of. You're mentioning October 7th as if like that somehow we shouldn't have been supporting Israel after that or like Israel was the one at fault. Well, I think Israel was into some degree. A thousand nut jobs came in with AKs and shit and invaded people in their home and murdered them in their home while they were sleeping in their families in front of their children.

And you can't even pretend like it's fake because there's hundreds of videos. But Israel knew about it a year in advance. You do know that. I mean, dude, there is no possible way you can blame the victim on this. Nothing. Well, but Israel didn't know about it. If you're even trying to, I'm a little concerned. Israel did know about it.

So here's the reality. I'm out. Let me lay it out for you. I'm going to lay out the. reality you can argue against my point. The people that did that, that came in and did that, I don't give a fuck what your reason is. If you

think that it's okay to go in there and start murdering people and their families and shit like they did, no matter what your justification, no matter what the history is, just listen, listen, let me finish the point. No matter what your justification is, you will be eradicated off the face of the earth every single one of you before

we ever reveal this technology. And that's the reason why they're hiding it. This is literally the problem and the reason because people you're sitting here bending over backwards to try to justify why people trying to commit a genocide trying objectively trying to commit a genocide is not you're talking about they're literally invaded to try to wipe out as many Jewish people as they possibly could for the sole reason of wiping them out due to their race dude it was 1100 people and they had a stand down order for eight hours the IDF stop talking about stand down order is this

it's all reality actually That's not real, Chad. Yes, it is real. That didn't really happen. There was no stand on order. There's congressional hearings and a Knesset in Israel of soldiers. It's not fake. It's true.

That's fake, man. You can look it up. There was no stand on order. Yes, it is. Yes, it was. You got to stop absorbing. It is a 100% fact. You're never going to get this technology because we can never allow people like that to have it.

We as in who, Israel? The CIA. Sure. Israel. They're probably, yes, we are. Israel is our ally. Do you not understand that? Unfortunately, yes, they are.

Iran is not our ally. Israel is our ally. America's ally. Unfortunately, yes. You need to get that through your head because it's not changing. And when you look at the list of Nobel Prize winners and the people to help develop this technology, there's a shitload of Jewish people on there. There's not a lot of Mohammeds. But the problem is, you're talking about, you're talking about 1,200 deaths, but you give a shit about the people in the Middle East.

But you seem to really care about the Jewish. You're not seeing the bigger picture, my dude. You care about the Jewish gas, though. This technology is the end of the world, man. You're talking about crying about a thousand people died or something like that. No, that's you. You're not getting it. That's you.

And this is why we can't ever reveal it because people are too, like, libtarded when it comes to, like, understanding the stakes and the consequences and guarantee. But, Ashton, you're arguing. This for all the wrong reasons. You're arguing about 1,100 or 1,200 or 1,200 people on October 7th. but I'm literally sitting here talking about 100,000 plus civilians. It's because of their intentions. So all of the,

you committed a war. Yes, you're all going to die when you do that. When 700 people or whatever come and try to invade you, your whole population is done. Yeah, that's ridiculous. That's a ridiculous statement.

That's a ridiculous statement. That's literally what happened. Every building got destroyed. You can look at the side by side and watch every building get wiped out. And you're condoning that. You're condoning that. You're condoning that. That's what's crazy.

But yet. that you care, but you care about the Jews, you just don't give a shit about them, right? I mean, you care about the Jews. You just don't care about them. I don't care about anybody. Well, you do because... You're the one pretending that you care about them when you don't.

You do, but you do because you said there's no way you can possibly try to victim blame, but the reality is, is the reality, which they did know about it for a year. They did have a stand-down order. Israel has literally made Gaza a open-air prison. I mean, there are IDF soldiers in Gaza. You can't even go visit Abraham's grave. You can even go to Bethlehem, which is technically in Gaza, without IDF soldiers basically treating you like a piece of shit, especially if you were Palestinian or Christian. So the reality is this is, it does matter for the world.

It does matter when people see the videos of the shock and all of hundreds of thousands of people that have died and the kids roaming to the streets. I think my reality is this. I think exactly what's happening between you and Ashton right now is. exactly what they want to be happening. As long as we are divided and we are not together and conquer together, they win. And that's the problem. We can agree to disagree because I don't think either one of you are going to prove your points to each other to make each other change your minds.

So to me, the biggest part of being a man is to accept that you guys have disagreements and move on from it because you're not going to change each other's opinions. and I agree with both of you to certain points. But I think more importantly, this is exactly what the deep system, the deep state, this is what they want. They want divisiveness. I don't think Ashton believes in a deep state anymore. No, here's reality. There is difference.

They are. This is called humankind. They do want us to come together. That's exactly what woke disclosure wants. That's exactly what the people on TV on mainstream media want. They want us to come together. Do you know what the problem is? That's not reality.

This is the problem. People have to think that the real world is like a Marvel movie. And we're all going to get on. We're never getting along. I'm telling you the truth. And you guys, if you want to listen, listen, don't. You don't want to listen. Don't.

The people with the technology are what you call the Israel people, the Zionist, whatever. Those are the people that have the power. Whether or not you like that, don't like that, want to cry about it. Literally doesn't matter. Why do you say that? The Zionist. Because those are the people. that have the signs because I've been reviewing. Why don't you ask me? Why don't you ask me about how it works and we can learn? I am asking you. But you said Zionist and Jews. So tell me why you say that. Because that's what you called because you got a million names to get around it. Oh, I'm just against the Zionist. Oh, no. I'm against Israel. I'm against the Arabian Fort and Israel. But like ultimately, I'm against some weird obsession with Jews, right? Like you tell me, I'm not even Jewish. I don't know this. I don't care about Jews. I think he has nothing to do with Jewish people. I don't think. I think he has a problem with the government. Yeah, I don't care about Jews. I've never gave a shit. I have. I have never gave a shit. I. I have. I have. I have. I have. I have. I have. I have. I have

There's tiny government, and if you think they control us, like, I don't even know how to begin with that. It's a tiny little country. I would love to, for anyone to show me the evidence. You know what, I don't even want to talk about this. Let's do it like this. We can either move on and talk about the UFO stuff or we can end it here. Okay. Okay, but you just said that they're the ones that are in control of all this stuff.

Yes, and I said our allies is Israel. And CIA has free energy technology and television and television. teleportation technology and ghost murmur technology where they can detect a dudes heartbeat miles away and discombobobligate technology where they can literally make you bleed out of your eyes and you can shoot a missile launcher at them and the missile launcher will fizzle back out on top of you and then you'll get disintegrated by a laser beam. So hey, who do you think is going to win the war in Iran? Do you think we're losing the war in Iran? No. Who do you think is going to win the age old battle between the Holy War and the Middle East? I guarantee you it's not the people

that are strapping bombs to themselves, blowing themselves up. Last I checked, Jewish people aren't doing that. So reality, in my opinion is, I don't give a crap. What I care about is you have to look at it from a human perspective. The people and the cultures that say, hey, we are the only culture that can exist, or, hey, we're the culture is going to dominate all the other cultures? Or, hey, our cultures is willing to literally blow ourselves up. I'm telling you, we're about to give everybody on this planet, the ability to blow up the whole planet, we're not going to last five seconds, five seconds. Like, you guys aren't listening.

Like, this is how we aren't going to last a day. This is why I'm actually not sure we even should disclose this technology. And now this is why they're hiding it. They have real good reasons to hide it, right? You listen to all this bickering. You listen to all this stuff. Like, this is what people have to start putting it into perspective. It's not about like aliens.

It's about how does this world even exist when people hate each other to the degree where they're going to lie about each other? Everyone gets so passionate that they're going to lose their minds over it. We can't exist. You tell me, what are we going to do? Well, I don't know, because I'm just still trying to figure out how the Jews and Zionists control this technology. That's what I, that's what I'm asking you. Just look at the number of Jewish people that were in the Manhattan Project, Nobel Prize winners, the 50s, the physics papers related to zero point energy and everybody else.

It's disproportionately Jewish. And why? Why is that? Disproportionately Jewish. Why is that? So if you believe that people are different, let's take the Nick Fuentes, white people are supreme. Well, okay, if people are different than the Jewish people are more supreme than us.

That's why that's the only explanation can come up for why they have the most Nobel prizes, why they have the most, because they're just must be smarter. If you believe everybody's different, I don't. I think everybody's the same. But I think it's kind of silly that the Nick Fuentes of the world to believe in white supremacy and that if you're superior, you should be superior, how they then don't realize that the Jewish people are the ones that figure out most of the science. Well, I thought German people. I mean, you think, where do you guys think these guys are from? I thought German people were really smart too.

Well, after World War II. Yeah, I mean, but a lot of hell, who knows how many of those were potentially Jewish. They purge a lot of Jewish people out of Germany, too. So anyway, so what you're saying is that, you know, according to Oppenheimer and all of this tech. A lot of Jewish people are Nobel Peace Prize, which is true. There are a lot of people that are very connected in the Jewish community. That's why typically the big conspiracy has always been that the Jews control the world, right? I mean, that's been the conspiracy.

That's been a known thing for a very long time. And some would even potentially say that Hitler back in the day, that was what his mindset was, that regime or that, that Reich that was, hey, you know, and it really started, I guess, in Austria where, according to Hitler, it was they were trying to basically not they, they were trying to kick out the Germans out of Austria and then as he progressed in his, I guess, thought process, he started to also believe that Jews were controlling the world anyways.

But you're kind of also saying right now that in a lot of ways they do, right? Dude, who cares, man? Well, no, because this is, no, it is important because you're saying the zero point energy if all of these people were behind this. Well, because you started the conversation with the Zionists and the Jews

are the ones that control this. Who cares, man? Well, who cares? Somebody's going to control it? Who the fuck cares who it is? Someone has teleportation and free energy. And you're concerned over whether or not

it's the Jews. Okay. And you're trying to convince me you're not biased to Israel. Who cares? Don't you see how small potatoes that is? We're in the United States. Do you understand what I'm not?

Do you understand what I'm saying? Please, man. Do you understand what I'm saying? We're in the United States of America. No, I don't. We are in the United States of America, Ashton. I mean, dad and dad and dad. Can we stop this stuff and let's just get on to the other?

Why can't you let this go, man? I'm not, you're not, you're the one that presented that is Zionists and Jews. I ask you why and so continue. And I say it doesn't matter. Okay, then why did you bring, why did you say it then? Because I'm telling you a fact. Okay, well then continue with your fact. If it doesn't matter, then I don't know why you said that.

If you can't let this go in the next five seconds, we're done. I'm sorry, man, I can't do this with you anymore tonight. But you're the one bringing this up, Ashton, not me. You said Zionists and Jews. Have good night, man. All right, guys, we are back. You might have noticed that there was a little cut out there. The reason is because Ashton quit the podcast because he wanted to bait.

he wanted to bait us. He's the one that brought this whole thing up on this show. We actually were going to come on this podcast to talk about the UFO files, which is, I literally text Ashton last night. And obviously, you can see the frustration from Ashton's side. And I'm not frustrated whatsoever. I have, I think one time on social media said something on one of his post where I said Ashton, there's no way you actually believe this, right? I mean, there's just no way. And I, you know, I still love you, dude. I think you're cool. But I just don't think that

there's no way you actually believe this stuff. And then he came back with some really smart ass comment, whatever it was, like, I'm an idiot. I'm a moron, whatever. Now, I want to explain for those that are new listeners, never heard our podcast with Ashton before, like what our relationship is with Ashton because I think I guess we're just going to do this episode as the Ashton Forbes interview, which, you know, is going to air. And as I said, we came on here to talk about MH370, everything that he has researched throughout the past probably two or three years. Well, our podcast was the very first podcast that Ashton Forbes ever went on. And it was either one or two of our listeners to reach out to us and said, hey, Ashton,

has this video that was leaked by a potential government official, which Ashton believes he knows who that government official is. And he said, I want you guys to bring him on the show. I want him to talk about this because, you know, the MH370 plane that disappeared with the or, well, we didn't know at that time, but it was the, there was the MH370 airplane that disappeared with like hundreds of passengers. never found still to this day has not been found and then this guy uh gets a video from what appears to be a reaper drone which is a u.s air force drone i believe that shows this aircraft in this

particular area where the plane disappeared from and it shows it being followed and encircled by orbs and this video looks very realistic uh when ashton came out with this video and and started to talk about it and started to research and do all the things that he has done over the past couple of years. He'd went on many big podcasts. I mean, he's went on Danny Jones, Julian Dory. He's went on the other, I can't remember the other podcast. That is, they're like visual effects podcast. He went on there.

Candace Owens. Well, he's been on Candice. He's been on everybody. The only one he's not been on is Joe Rogan. Yeah, pretty much. For some reason. And we couldn't understand, like, for the life of us, why Joe. Rogan would not have invited him.

Well, he did invite him. He did invite him once and then he retracted. But either way, so in light of all this, Ashton got a lot of shit for coming out with this in this video. And as he started to research, and listen, Ashton's a very smart guy. Very smart guy, very intelligent guy. He is someone that I would probably consider potentially like on the genius side, that very analytical mind, someone that would be really good at understanding physics.

understanding propulsion, understanding the shit that he reads about zero point energy. And there were so many episodes that we did with Ashton throughout the years that we've known him a couple, two, three years that, you know, there was times that were I did not know what the hell he was talking about. I did not understand it. And there were also times to where we would tell him, hey, Ashton, you got to dumb this down a little bit because, you know, especially for people listening, they're not going to understand this. And so when Ashton would go on these podcasts, these people tried to debunk. these videos, the MX370 videos. And it was one in particular podcast.

It cannot remember their name. You guys probably know it if you know the Ashton story. It was the VFX or the visual effects podcast. That's what they do. And he went on this show. They supposedly debunked it on the show, which was complete bullshit. They didn't actually debunk it whatsoever. They just said how they think that they could do it.

But it has been three years now since it's been in the spotlight. and no one at all has been able to replicate what you see on those MS-370 videos where these orbs are circling the airplane and then the plane zaps. Now, there are people that said that the plane, you know, there are special effects that someone supposedly has taken from some video game effect. We don't exactly know for sure if that's true. Because what you have to understand, too, is that when someone says, hey, here's an effect from this video game that looks very similar to when the plane disappears,

and this flash. I think it's like that, it's called the black hot or black cold flash in the Fleer video. There's been a lot of people come on the contrary and say, well, no, that actually could be either a reverse effect to where someone said, hey,

this is what actually came from this. But no one's ever been able to replicate the videos. No. And as a matter of fact, we even put money up against anyone. 25 grand. Yeah, that anyone that could prove that they were.

fake we would pay them 25 grand. Yeah. And so the other people had put out money too. It was 150,000 total ransom for anybody that could either show the original files of this video, which came out in 2012 or and I think it was original file holders

or anyone that had, and listen, by the way, this MH370 story has blown up so big over the past two or three years. I mean everyone eventually has had to take notice and including mainstream media, although they've never had Ashtonon, they've never had any of these people on, but they had to notice. Anyways, the reason I'm explaining all this, because you guys just heard the beginning of

this episode, pretty much the entire episode, the first 35 minutes of it. And Ashton and I have not talked publicly in a while. And I do have some, you know, I guess awkwardly weird feelings about Ashton, especially in light of and after the Trump, I guess, election. and then what happened in Israel? Because we've known Ashton since he started on social media. And I remember numerous times where we would talk politics, you know, even whether it be a little bit on the show or before the show or in text or on phone call, whatever the case was. And Ashton was zero percent never interested at all in politics. He didn't give a shit about Trump, Republican, conservative, Democrat.

biblical stuff, nothing. He's a scientist. Yeah, his thing was just, hey, M.S. 70. But like he just explained just a minute ago, I think the reason for his passion behind his desires is because he's saying there are certain foreign entities, meaning Israel, is holding on to this zero point energy. And I think that's what's so important to him.

And maybe that's why he's got it. And maybe that's why he's become political. when he didn't really mean to become political. I don't know. I don't even buy that shit. Regardless, whether or not that's true or not, I don't know. But I'm just trying to go down the storyline here of how all this shit took place. So anyways, so he one day, probably about eight months ago, when he was beefing with Ian Carroll,

which Ian Carroll has also been on our show a few times. And Ian, you know, he's oftentimes lumped in to the conversation. conversation with Candace Owens and, you know, Tucker Carlson. I mean, he's that big. I mean, that's, that's Ian. He's, he's, he's, he's a huge influencer. He got very well known for doing very good videos on things that were conspiracies that he kind of basically proved were true. And so for whatever reason, Ashne eventually started to hate Ian Carroll. And I think it seemed like it started with the Israel thing. And that's what really lit a fire inside of Ashton.

It seems like against Ian Carroll. And keeping also in mind, during the MH370 conversations and everything about MH370, people like Ian Carroll and people like Candice Owens platformed Ashton on a massive level. I mean, you're talking about people, especially Candace Owens, where she has a massive platform. and she did that because she believed that, hey, people should hear this story about Amnesty 70. She believed that, hey, I believe in your investigation.

I believe in your work that you've been doing on this, the zero point energy side. Everything is at the action is proved. And she gave him a platform. And so then what happened? Well, after October 7th and in particular, really like leading up to the Trump, election and right after the Trump election, more so after the Trump election, Ashton started to pretty heavily, it seems like, I guess, go against Ian Carroll and Candace Owens by calling them out about their belief on anything that has to do with Israel.

And so there was a lot of people that started question Ashton saying, is he a paid plant now? Did he get paid? Did he get paid by Israel? Because he went literally from caring about Amherstreet 30 and doing all of his investigative work to spending a decent amount of time just completely trashing Candace O. Wins, completely trashing Ian Carroll, Tucker Carlson.

Basically everybody. Conspiracy theorists. Yes. So he had come on our show because we had aligned a podcast where we were going to have Ian Carroll on to debate Ashton Forbes. And I reached out to Ian. He said, yeah, I'm good with it. And then

leading up to that, by the way, that podcast, it sounded like Ashton was kind of going on the offensive by trash and Ian. If I remember correctly, trash and Ian saying things on all these other places. And then Ian basically messaged me and said, look,

the way he is right now, there's no point in me coming on that podcast because he's not going to let anybody else talk. He's going to talk over them. And if he don't like what you're saying, he's just going to leave because that's what's happened. That's kind of what it just happened. Yes.

I don't think that two grown men can sit here and have a podcast and disagree to or agree to disagree because that did not happen just a minute ago. There are tons of mature adults that can sit in a room or across the internet and have a rational conversation and debate each other whether or not they agree or disagree with each other. That's called maturity. And what Ashton just did by leaving the podcast is immaturity. And also keeping in mind when I said, hey, okay, Ashton, if you want to come on and receive

respond to Ian Carroll then you can come on our show so Ashton came on our show he responded to Ian Carroll but during the process of this show and during the process of this podcast he just went off off off off cuff right I mean he just went out there and throughout this whole time that he was saying all the shit you know he was saying a lot of stuff that a lot of our listeners were like hey that's pretty damn offensive you're calling people that believe in things like whatever it was. I mean, just name it, right? conspirators is what he called him. He's like, anybody that believes in any of these conspiracies are conspirators, they are so low IQ, they are just morons or idiots, you know, whatever.

And so after that show, and, you know, I brought him on to respond to Ian. And I was sitting there just kind of listen. I was like, what in the hell, dude? Like, you know, that's kind of what I was thinking. I came back. I sent him a message and said, hey, after that show, I said, I think that we need to do another show because I'm going to have to, I mean, I didn't know this was going to be, I guess, a debate against conspiracies and truth seekers and everything else. Like, I think that we should talk about this on a show rather than just you responded to Ian because he backed out the last minute.

And so that never happened. He continued basically to call everybody conspirators. Anybody believed that Israel was genocidal or that they were killing innocent people and you disagreed with that, that you were also a retard. All of these things. I mean, and you guys just heard him. I mean. Yeah, but I just want to make this point, too, just because Ashton doesn't care about all these people that are dying.

I do. I care about the people in Israel that died. I care about the people in Gaza. They're dying. But he doesn't. Because the fact is it's their governments. It's not the people. And yeah, we can go on for days saying, well, you know what?

These people in Gaza, they're born and raised to hate Jews. Well, I'm sure it's the same thing with people in Israel. and they got to learn, you know, their neighbors. There's got to be a way that they can come together without killing each other or getting rid of one place or another. Well, look, but my whole point to this is, is that, you know, we brought him back on the show tonight because I was like, hey, you know, I don't agree with what you've been saying at all. To me, I think he's on the wrong side history. obviously we have talked about the Charlie Kirk assassination multiple times on this show and we've not ever been like hardcore loyal that is Israel like I mean you guys can go back

and listen to any of the episodes we've always talked about the conspiracies and the theories we've not been one of those people that's been like it was Israel for sure but the reality of it is like now as more more more more more information comes out it's very weird there's a lot of weird stuff that's going on. Nothing adds up about what the actual reason of Charlie Kirk's assassination was or even the method of Charlie Kirk's destination. And we're talking about maybe not even a bullet. We're talking about potentially an explosive device.

And the more information that comes out about that, the more credible that might seem. And then two weeks later after Charlie Kirk is assassinated, this plant in Tennessee blows up that literally creates improvised explosive devices and miniature explosives in various technology. This is the place that blew up in Tennessee. There's a lot of stuff. And then literally like a day or two later after

Charlie Kirk's assassination, the FBI comes in according to multiple sources and makes them completely fill in the concrete. Okay, so where Charlie Kirk was sitting, during his assassination, there was a tunnel with a ladder that goes down into an open corridor

underneath this concrete. Everybody knew about it. and then it was a day or two later after this that it was completely filled in complete reconstruction of this entire area and from what we've heard is that the FBI is potentially the one that asked for that to happen you guys can look that up but the whole point is to say this he continually went after all of these people that questioned Israel killing hundreds of thousands of civilians or questioned APAC or questioned the Epstein files or basically questioned anything that we, I think, all kind of question, especially for so many people that voted for Trump and was like, wait, what the hell, dude? You're not doing exactly what we thought or not even close to what we thought you were going to do. I mean, that doesn't make a lot of sense. He's went against all of these people, including the people that platformed him, including us. I mean, I think personally he kind of went against us when he went against Ian on the first episode that we had him on responding to Ian. And then tonight, keeping in mind, this

episode was only supposed to be about UFOs and the second file release. And it just so happens that he, I guess, had some shit to get off his chest. And he did. He didn't want me to talk. He didn't really want either of us to talk. He wanted to win the conversation. That's what he wanted to do. He wanted to win the argument, even though I didn't know that's what we were coming here for tonight to do.

But that's what he wanted to do because Ashton is used to getting on YouTube. He's used to getting on the internet and yelling and and propaganda. or whatever the hell it is that he does. He's used to doing that and all of his people listening. And then he has the nerve to blame us for him losing all of his followers after we went against him. Well, yes, we have said our opinions on what Ashton was doing on the internet a couple of times.

I am very transparent person. I'm always going to do that. I don't, to me, personally, I don't believe in my opinion that Ashton is actually at all being sincere in what he's saying about the shit that he even said in the first. 40 minutes of this show. I just don't see it. Ashton's a smart person. And, and, and, but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he just doesn't actually give a shit about civilians and innocent lives or the effect of, uh, mass generations of people that are being exterminated right now, unless it's Israel. Because as you guys heard in this conversation, he was very upset that I was trying, he,

he said I was trying to victim blame Israel because I was just stating a fact that Israel knew about October 7th a year in advance. They had a stand-down order six to eight hours into the attack, which is one of the most secured places in the world. And by the way, the same person that he's fighting so adamantly for in his murder trial against Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk, Charlie Kirk himself went on Patrick Bet David and said that he's been to Israel multiple times and is the most secure nation in the entire world.

And that Charlie Kirk himself did not buy the fact that these people just floated across the border, killed all these people for six and seven hours, and that's just accidentally happened. Well, we know it didn't accidentally happen because we know that there was a leaked government document, a military document from a whistleblower that showed the file that they knew the day that it was going to happen. They knew for a year in advance, and they issued a stand-down order, which was in the Knesset congressional hearing or whatever that you call that in the Knesset in Israel.

The soldiers went and testified they had a stand-down order. We've talked about it on the podcast before. These are all realities and facts that people like Ashton Forbes wants to tell you you're an idiot and conspiratord for saying because he's not researched it and he doesn't give a shit to research it. But for some reason, he is very adamantly, adamantly invested in calling anyone with his platform. He's going to try to get as many people on the back of him calling anyone that disagrees with Israel conspirators and idiots and low IQ. and grifters and liars. And he literally pretty much did it to our face tonight. He said it a couple of times.

So I just wanted to make this clear because look, look, like I said, we were going to do this UFO episode. It didn't work. I did not start that conversation. He wanted to start it. And then he's like, on one hand, he's telling us that, oh, yeah, there's a bunch of retards. There's a bunch of morons that believe that Israel has control of the United States government. Ha, ha, ha. And then on the other hand, he's telling us the zero point energy, the potential technology that was used to zap the airplane of MH370, these orbs that are essentially reverse engineered alien technology.

He's trying to tell us, are the Zionists and the Jews that control all of this technology? That's what he tried to tell us. I just want to make it very clear what Ashton is saying and then what he's also not saying. you know he's trying to tell you you're an idiot for believing that israel controls the united states but on the other hand he's trying to tell you that these same people control the technology of what he's been fighting for for two or three years which are orbs and reverse engineer technology that could destroy all human life i mean he literally said that so anyway sherry go ahead do you want to say something oh i just had a little opinion about tyler robinson you know when he

when the Charlie Kirk assassination first happened, there was all these people coming out. Yeah, he told on himself. He said, I did it. But now, as it's going through courts, I'm not so sure he ever even said that he did. Well, how do you know that he said he did it? Did you see it on video of him doing it?

No. Oh, weird. Did you hear him on audio? Nope. So how do you know he said that? How do you know that he, how do you know that he, I said that he was guilty because are you saying

No, no, no. I'm saying he admitted. Didn't admit it. No, but what Ashton said that he did? No, but I'm saying that I think Ashton's wrong about that. I think that

mainstream media came out and said, yeah, he admitted it. And it's right there and you can look at the text to his furry boyfriend or whatever that he did all this. But when it's gone to court over and over

in the last year and then there was a reporter that was in the last hearing sitting next to his grandfather that owned the actual rifle or whatever it was. He doesn't even believe he did it. And they have never came forward and said that Tyler admitted that he pulled the trigger. Yeah. No, I agree. And why would he? Well, I mean, his grandfather was literally standing next to a reporter outside the courtroom and

said, I don't think he did it. Yeah. And why would, you just made me. lose my turn of that. It's okay. Go ahead. We're just chatting, dude. I mean, we had a little argument to begin in the show.

I mean, I'm not editing. And I'm flustered now. But I'm just saying, why would he plead not guilty if he admitted to killing Charlie Kirk? Well, well, especially considering the fact that when you do plead not guilty and you understand and know the consequences. But you, yeah, but you understand the consequences. It's not the oath thing.

They don't give a shit about that. They care about like if you plead not guilty and it goes to trial, then you're going to be held to the maximum sentence and up into death because I think they are potentially going to go for the death penalty, right? And some prosecutors don't want to go for death penalty because it is number one more burden of proof and number two that you might get more jurors that decide they don't want to convict him because of the death penalty, right? and so there are some jurors that may not they may say in the jury i guess interviews that they believe in death penalty but at the exact moment that they're going to convict someone and if you have not proven your case beyond a reasonable doubt even beyond that they're not going to convict so that's why prosecutors pause when they think about death penalty because they know that like shit maybe maybe there's one person in this in this jury room that if we don't prove our

case unequivocally or that they hear something online or whatever the case is that they're not going to convict and they're not going to feel responsible for killing someone based on their vote in the conviction. But do I believe he was on the roof? Do I believe he was set up to do something? Yes. Maybe. Maybe.

I mean, we see videos of like these. But did you see, did you see Tyler Robinson actively on the roof? I don't know. We saw somebody on the roof. Really? Somebody. We saw a roof. But yeah, we saw a roof.

We saw a roof. Yes. And we saw somebody. We saw a figure. And the figure when it was getting down, it didn't look like they took their gun apart. It looked like they stuck it in their pants. It literally looked like. Yeah.

Well, it kind of even looked like it was just like a blanket or a towel, like flimsy and around. It wasn't, you know. Now, it looked like somebody stuck a gun in their pants to me. I don't know. I don't think he dissembled it. But, no. But it wasn't a gun that he took off. the roof like that.

I mean, you know, with the way it looked him jumping off the roof and it was like a kind of a flimsy towel and stuff, none of that stuff makes sense. And from the time the shot happened to the time he was off the roof, there's no way you disassembled rifle. But then it's just the whole thing about the 30 all six in general.

30 all six, you're not going to, I don't give a shit what anybody tries to tell you. I don't care what anybody tries to tell you. Go look at all of the actual people that have done videos on this. You shoot someone with 30 out six in the neck. there's not going to be a human bone that is just going to completely splinter that projectile throughout the body like they're trying to say happened they're trying to say he had

superman bones or he was protected by not even protected but no that was an exit wound that we saw I think no it was an explosion potentially is what I think or is something because when you have something when you're shot if it enters your shoulder and comes out your hip let's just say wherever it comes out is where you're going to have the bleed. Well, I promise you, if you hit me with a 30 out six through the shoulder, your shoulder's going to be gone. No, but no, but no, it's not going to be gone. But if you hit me through my left shoulder and you're aiming at me from my left shoulder side

and you're hitting me with a 30 out six. And by the way, keep in mind, this is a lot more shit to go through than a neck. But if you hit me with a 30 out six from the same distance, it's going to go through my shoulder, through my rib cage, all the way out of the other rib cage, blow probably my other part of my rib cage out, completely blow my other right side of my arm out in all the flesh, hit the bone. If it hits the bone,

it's going to fracture that and go out the other side. That's what a 30 out six is going to do. It does that on freaking elk. You know, like the... Yeah, but there's a lot of hunters that said that that's happened to them. No. A lot of hunters, who?

Well, I've seen a lot of videos saying that the bullets stayed in there. I've not even seen any videos of that. I have. What, from a thousand yards? Oh, I don't know. I've just seen like videos saying it's possible. Well, yeah, maybe from a thousand plus yards. I mean, I guess that's possible.

But you also have to understand that 30 out six and 30. 308 is a larger round. Marine Corps snipers, they use a 308. 308 is a little smaller round. But the reason why the Marine Corps uses it is deadly. It doesn't make mistakes. And usually you always have an exit when 30 out six is a larger round. And that's, you know, a very popular round for hunters,

especially large game hunters because large game need large rounds. And that 30-0-6 is going to take down whatever the hell you hit. And what they're trying to tell you is with a Charlie Kirk thing and we're getting way off freaking topic here. I don't even know what the hell I'm going to name this episode. But what I'm saying is is that they're trying to tell you that it went in Charlie Kirk's neck and somehow hit some little minuscule bone in his vertebrae or something and it completely destroyed that bullet from 100 yards, maybe 100.

150 yards. It's just bullshit, right? It's bullshit. And then if you look at the microphone that was on him, keep in mind also, for the people that say, oh, you're going to blame this on Israel?

Well, we do know that Israel just outfitted what, I don't know how many, what thousand pagers that they intercepted to the Hamas, terrorists, they say, to where when these people got these pagers and put them on their hip,

all the sudden there was one, there was one frequency that went off in that pager. And they all exploded at once, yeah. Massad sent that frequency off and exploded their entire freaking genitalial region and blew their hips off and everything else. That's a small explosive device. If you look at Charlie Kirk and what exactly happens to him, when the time the quote unquote shot goes off, this freaking microphone right here, the energy is coming up from this

microphone. Well, it's actually his shirt like right below it. It puffs up. It's right at the microphone. microphone. I've watched this video a million times. If you look at the, if you look at the microphone, all the energy comes around and right at the microphone and goes upwards, right into where his neck would be. So obviously, if the explosive is going to shoot up or whatever the case is, it's going to get right in his neck. It's going to cause him a bleed out or, you know, so I'm not

saying this is the case. I'm just telling you everything I've watched. Now, there's just so much shit wrong with the Charlie Kirk assassination and and we're not this is not a Charlie Kirk assassination episode but we did have to talk about it because when it seemed like for whatever reason Ashton was very hung up tonight on the Charlie Kirk thing.

Like he wanted to keep pushing that shit like oh no and then these morons want to talk about Charlie Kirk is definitely Tyler Robbins and there's no question whatsoever. Don't even talk about it anymore. You guys are idiots. You guys are idiots if you think anything otherwise than that. And so why is Ashton so adamant all the sudden?

Out of nowhere, he comes out of, he comes out of the MH370 layer and it's so adamant on that Israel didn't do MH370. At the same time, Ashen is, I mean, sorry. Sorry. He's so adamant on the fact that Israel didn't do Charlie Kirk. He's also so adamant on the fact that Israel is our greatest ally. He's adamant on the fact that it doesn't matter what Israel does in Gaza or Lebanon or anywhere else.

It doesn't matter how many civilians they kill. But did you hear about October? 7th? Oh, do you have an excuse about the 1,100 people that died? Are you going to victim blame? But then he says, supposedly, we're not supposed to give a shit about innocent civilians, unless it's Israel. Unless it's October 7th, we shouldn't care. Isn't it just weird how everything that Ashton says is 100% making sure that it's on the side of Israel?

Well, I said he's one extreme and you're another. Yeah, but Ashton wasn't any extreme besides MS370 until people started getting paid. Well, and I think too... And I'm not saying he is. I'm just saying maybe it goes back to this free energy stuff and he knows who has who... That's ridiculous, Sherry. No, that's ridiculous. No.

Why? That's freaking ridiculous. Oh, yeah, Ashton actually cares about who's free energy, whatever bullshit. No, if they're... Maybe they're telling him that. I don't know. I'm saying if Ashton believes that the people that hold the formula of free energy in their hands is the CIA and the Mossad... No, but listen.

he kept mention CIA, which is weird a couple times after he said the people that control it are the Jews and the Zionists. And then when I question them about it, and I said, well, how do they hold the technology? Well, look at all the people that were this and this and this and this. Look at Oppenheimer and all this. I said, okay, so then what's the point of that? Like, I don't understand why. Why do they have it? And then he got pissed.

He didn't want to talk about it anymore. But the weird thing was is that after he talked about it, he was, he kept mention the CIA. Like, which is it? CIA or Zionists and Jews or are they all the one the same and then well I think CIA and Mossad are one of the same well I think they are too but I think they're combined but the question is is like is this what they told him to make him go on this rant that this tangent about Israel like is this what they told him is that Israel is the one that holds all this technology and maybe that is as long as he's a loyal loyal soldier that they're going to they're going to give him the keys of the kingdom

I don't know what it is, but something is definitely off. And listen, well, he acts like, you know, we have this information and we have this stuff. And we're not going to give it to you if you believe it certain ways. That's what he basically said. And listen. So if you disagree with him or you don't believe the same way, you're not going to have the right to the free energy. Yeah, which is fucking ridiculous. Yeah.

I mean, it's just kind of like if you don't agree with Israel's right to exist, you're not going to have a right to life is what they believe is what Bibi believes. Bibi believes that if you don't agree with Israel's right to exist, whatever the hell that means, then we're just going to kill you. And that's what they're doing. They're killing innocent civilians by the mass every day. Like children, women, people that have nothing to do with, they don't get, they've never even probably thought about Jews. Like this is the people that they kill.

I told you that I feel like the same thing is happening to Trump. You know, a lot of people are like, no, he's just a plant. This was, you know, this was supposed to happen this way. He could be a plant for sure. He could be a plant. or it could be something different that they slid into his back pocket and he had no, you know, it's like when the Iran war first broke out. And then Mark Rubio came out and kind of told the truth and got him in trouble.

He's like, we had to come into this war because this is what happened. And then Trump had to make a decision as our president. And he doesn't want to look like the weak link. You know what I'm saying? And by the way, you know, I do want to say, too, to this, like we had a lot of comments on our last episode with Jake Chansley and I've not even told Sherry

about a lot of emails and comments and all that shit. People were just like, oh my God. Oh, did they talk crap about me too? No. No, no. They just, they were just like, no, they just, there was, there was quite a few people that were like, Jake is crazy. Like, there's something wrong with that dude.

There were some people. But what I will say is that yes, Jake is a little out there for sure. Jake's kind of always been somewhat out there as far as like his esoteric whatever belief system he has, but he's never been like he is now. I mean, when we first started talking to Jake

after January 6th and kind of, that was back when we had Ian and Ashton and kind of that whole group together. Yeah. Jake was never like that. I mean, he would give you like his ideas and opinions on stuff and thoughts. Never like he was on the podcast with us.

And so I 100% by the way understand why people felt that way. about Jake. Well, I came out and said, Jake, people are going to think you're crazy. Like, can you explain this a little bit more? Because when we first met Jake after he got out of jail from January 6th, you know, he was thinking about running for Senate in Arizona. Yeah. And he, you know, had a good possibility of winning is what he thought.

And then all this other crap started happening. And then he was like offline online, delete stuff, don't delete stuff. And then I knew. Something happened to him. him in the process of like the past year and a half and you know you know what the interesting thing about jake is and i'm you know i'm not a conspiracy theorist guys but uh but it is weird like how he how he i can't even tell you how many messages jake has sent me and said dude they're targeting my brain i know they are like i know for sure like they're making me think all this crazy shit

and whatever and he would always tell me this and i would always respond and be like jake dude just i don't know i don't want to tell you like tell me my more about it and he would tell me all this shit. And I'm not saying that's true. I don't know. But if you link it to the missing scientist and the shit that happened to these people, you go through their stories because we have gone there, gone there in depth. And I think a lot of similar things that happened to Jake happened to the scientists.

I'm just saying. Well, it seems like it. It's almost like that. But, yeah, I mean, it kind of reminds you. that that's why i asked jake about it on the show because i was like damn dude i mean you're saying some crazy shit like you know and like i'm gonna be the president of the new or the old republic and yeah i am the president of the old republic and they're not in any and he's literally he's literally he's literally suing the cia fbi i the trump administration the first time he sued people

but by the way um so the one thing i didn't want i didn't mention on the jake episode the last episode was the act red or or whatever i'm i don't know i didn't mention on the jake episode the last episode was the act red or whatever the hell it's called app and there's another app that jakes told me about before too uh the reason why i found that interesting the other app which is um one oh it's called one red i think is what the app is i looked into that shit the interesting thing about that app is that if you're one of these people one of these influencers for example that i know you've probably heard us talk about the influencers that we believe are paid to push a propaganda narrative. Well, they all are signed up on these apps.

And in particular, I think it's one red and or one red direct. And then there's another one, win red or something. I can't remember. And it's very similar to kind of how the Democrats also have a propaganda app network to where you go in, you log in, you're an influencer, you get your talking points. You get your, that's also where you look at your pay. How much you're going to pay you for these posts? All this.

I've looked in all this. But when Jake had mentioned Winred and then he's mentioned to me separately, the one red direct or whatever app it is. I can't remember what the other app is. He continually mentioned these in other, in various conversations, said, well, they told me blah, blah, blah, blah. And I look this up. And that's essentially a paid propaganda conservative app to where they pay you to do certain things or say certain things. And I found it also weird how Jake would talk about how the game is. He understands the game of how they're doing this.

things. And although he sounds, a lot of people will say that he sounds crazy on a lot of things he says. But he does make sense. I just, I just want you to understand that he also knows a lot about what he's talking about, that he's saying publicly that I don't think that you guys understand that most people will never, ever say publicly because that's part of your contract when you get in these things. You're never allowed to say shit like this about, you know, the way this works and how they do

this and all that. So Jake said things, even on our podcast about the certain app. But how Jake changed, in my opinion, like how Ashton completely did a 180 is crazy to me. And I do like Ashton. I mean, well, I liked Ashton. I don't like Ashton anymore. And I'll tell you why because I don't give a shit what the reason it is of why you're doing this, whether it's your paid or whether you're a part of.

a system or whether and I don't know any of I don't know if hashians paid or I don't know whatever I don't know but whatever the reason is and and let's just say for example is his opinion let's just say that this is his opinion his honest opinion this is his honest belief then if you can say that like you don't give a damn about innocent civilians and he was trying to tell us how much we didn't care about innocent civilians which is ridiculous us like don't don't obfuscate what you're actually saying on us like because you just said you don't give a shit about Gaza or any of the civilians or any of the people in the Middle East that die you don't give a damn about them but it seemed like he definitely cared about Israel and what

happened on October 7th and unfortunately for ashton but hold on let me finish just let me finish my sentence sorry but unfortunately the problem is is that for Ashton and everything that he's worked on with MH370 and the technology and that side of it, um, he's lost so many people that he tried to blame on us and Ian and Candace saying, oh, you guys, when you guys went against me,

I lost 200, 300,000 followers. But dude, the reality is we, I mean, yeah, I've said a couple of things on the podcast, but he also has to understand we were the first episode or first

podcast he ever went on. He started building his following, you know, off our podcast. Our audience. I've said a couple of things. about him on the show and what my beliefs were as far as Ashton goes. But, you know, the reality to that is is that he came on our podcast when I thought that

he was going to respond to Ian, which he did. But he was literally the way I felt on that show was he was talking shit and calling out our audience, the people that listen to us, the people that have been loyal to us for years and the mission that we've been on for years, he was basically calling us all idiots and were all morons, just like he did tonight. He did it when he was supposedly going to debate Ian Carroll.

And there was so many people I got messages from and said, are you going to just let him say that shit? I was like, dude, first of all, like I thought he was coming on for Ian. I was going to let him say whatever to Ian. I was almost kind of like just let him go off because he did on that episode. And then so I invited him back.

And it's just the unfortunate thing about it is, is that I want you guys to understand that, you know, the way the world is right now with propaganda and with misinformation and with almost to the point where so many people feel like everything is fake, like almost damn near literally everything is fake, it's tough. It is a very tough place to be as a human being trying to figure out and decipher what the hell is real and what is not.

And unfortunately, um, even for us it is, you know, and, and that's why I felt like it was very important. This conversation that we were gonna, well, I mean, I guess what I felt like it was important for me to say

things in specific after Ashton came on our show that time, talking shit about all the things that we've literally been fighting for for years. I felt like it was very important for us to respond to that because he refused to come back on the show until now. And the only reason he came back on now is because I reached out to him and said, I can literally read the text of my show. I text him. And I said, hey, this is what I say.

I said, I know we disagree on politics. But Sunday night, we were going to be covering the UFO files part two. If you wanted to come on and discuss, because I think some of these files vindicate you in a lot of ways, which I would like to discuss. And he says, yeah, I got some magic cards, things. But if I'm free, I'll do it. I don't care about the political belief. Or, sorry, political beef.

Yeah. I said, well, what time would be good? We usually record a six. So that was it. So to me, it was like, all right, cool. We squashed it. We don't agree. That's why I text them that.

So we don't agree with political stuff. But let's talk about what I think is important, which is your research over the past two years, the UFO files. And that just didn't happen tonight. so well I try to squash it but oh there's no squash I mean but listen you can't squash something you believe in you know I mean yeah but you guys can also but I did also but I agree to disagree and I try to do that both of you couldn't get past it and is more no no it's not both of us ashton I guess it's not both of us he's the one to kept baiting it yeah he was really mad when he came on I could tell in the

beginning he was just mad I'm not even the one it brought it up I mean I brought up as like hey yeah I know we disagree politically but whatever let's move on let's do this and then he wanted to he wanted to take it to where it was. Well, you know what? And then he brings up to Zionists and the Jews control and the energy that we're not going to be allowed to get because I guess we're just Goyam.

You don't even know what Goyam is. Yes, I do know what Goyom is. It's something against Christian people. Well, anyways, we're not allowed to get this technology because you're just Goyam. That's literally what he sounds like when he says that. I mean, it kind of sounds like that. It's just

kind of weird. I don't know. Guys, let us know what you think. Holy shit. I don't even know what I'm on title of this. The Ashton Forbes interview, I guess, partially. 35 minutes of arguing bullshit. I still care about Ashton. Well, I don't. I'm done. I do.

I'm done. Well, I don't know why because, like, he literally just sat there and told you you're an idiot and that you're trying to be like a dumbass. I'm a better person. I'm a better person. Oh, okay, sure. Unless it's against me and then she hates my gut. Oh, shut up, Chad.

I'm just saying. But for some reason... But you're my husband. No, but for some reason, if it's Ashton, no, he's good. He's actually sweet. You know, he says I'm an idiot and I'm a moron. I'm lying to my audience for nine years. No, he came out and said we are all trying to say the truth.

Oh, yeah, right. Okay. Anyways, guys, let us know what you think. Send us a message, post on our social media, whatever. We got social media. Also, we do have a telegram. I want to bring this up right now. We have a telegram.

We've had it for like two years and we always have live streams on there. We get crazy sometimes our live streams. We talk about shit we'll never talk about on this podcast. It is investigative conspiracy podcast on Telegram. All you got to do is just go to the app store, download Telegram, look for investigate Earth conspiracy podcast. And then every time we go live, which is many nights, we're usually around 8, 9 o'clock, you can go and you can talk on audio.

Just press the mic. You don't get to be on video. You can say whatever you want to. If you hate us, you can also say that. If you love us or if you want to give us some advice or, whatever it is. We do not care. We are literally just the most open people you can possibly imagine.

So be sure to go check us out on our telegram that is Investigate Earth podcast. Maybe we'll try to get Ashton on there. See if he wants to talk to. I don't know that. I hope you guys can work out your friendship. Yeah. I think that's way more important than politics. I don't know.

I don't know. Anyways, guys, we try to do a UFO episode. I don't know what this episode is going to be called. We will actually do a legit UFO episode coming soon. But until next time, we love you guys. Peace out. Peace out. Nothing to hold me back.

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but made it through the day because I found, because I found