Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Personal Health & Covid 19 Pandemic with Dr Shawn Baker

Episode Date: December 16, 2021

On tonight's podcast, we talk about our personal health during the Covid 19 Pandemic with the founder of the Carnivore diet, Dr Shawn Baker. We will also discuss what Shawn thinks about what is going on around the world due to Covid 19.

Welcome to Investigators podcast. I'm your host, Chad, alongside my gorgeous, beautiful, and very talented and smart wife. Wow. Oh, my gosh. I must be love tonight. Thank you, Chad. That was like five or six, like really nice things about me instead of just beautiful. I know.

Well, we got this buffed doctor coming on. Yeah. I got to make sure I keep you, you now. But anyways So yeah So guys Welcome to Investing Earth podcast It is December the 15th man

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Guys, we have an amazing podcast tonight. We have the creator, founder, and writer of the book Carnivore Diet. He is the founder of the carnivore diet. The carnivore diet is similar to keto, but different. And so we're going to talk to Dr. Sean Baker, who we're going to have on the podcast tonight. Sean, the reason I wanted to bring him on, especially this podcast and with the amount of listeners we have around the world, and you guys as our loyal listeners understand and know what we typically talk about. And we talk about a little bit of everything, but, you know, we really try to uncover, you know, the things that are really going on, the truth behind what the media is not telling us in 2021.

one. There's a lot of stuff we can't trust out there, but we're going to ask and discuss some of that stuff with Sean tonight. And we're going to see what his thoughts are. And the reason I say this is because Sean, I've actually listened to some of his stuff, videos and so on. You know, he's pretty big out there on YouTube. And so definitely want to get his opinion on that. But we're going to talk about the health and well-being during this pandemic. And, you know, it's something that I feel like the government, the media, no one has talked about. Nope. It's just recently that the Florida Surgeon General, the newly elected Florida or appointed Florida Surgeon General, he actually issued a memo out to all Floridians. And it went statewide.

And basically it said that, you know, obviously, yes, the vaccines are available. If you want the vaccines, take them. If you don't, don't. but the memo essentially stated that we need to worry about our health. You know, health is a key aspect of surviving any disease. It's not just COVID. It's not any of that. It's if you're in poor health, if you do not exercise,

if you do not do things to try to better your own health, not just COVID may kill you, but so many other things. I mean, when we're inactive, when we're, when we eat the wrong diets or we eat the wrong things, it's tough because our bodies can easily and quickly be overcome with disease. Right. And once you get used to eating the foods that really are not good for you, your body starts to crave those foods. And like there's a lot of people like they can't live without certain foods or certain things

because their bodies are so like almost addicted to those types of foods. I still believe like McDonald's and stuff has addictive like addictive, like addictive. whatever ingredients in their inner stuff. Really. I mean, because especially after a night of going out or whatever, that's what you want, you know? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's like anytime that I have gotten drunk, right,

and then the next day, I crave bad food. I don't know what it is. Yeah, like just greasy fast food. It's kind of similar. Like if you quit drinking. So say you have like a weak bender, right? Which is also not good for your health. By the way. But say you had like a weak vendor.

You just drink way too much that week. And then like you get, you don't drink. Say you're like, well, I'm not going to drink for like the next week or whatever. Like some of the first things you crave during that first three days is sugars. Yeah. So you want candy. You want things like this because your body wants to replace the sugars that you get from alcohol. Same thing I guess with maybe, I don't know, I don't know what it is with alcohol and you want to eat like crap the next day.

But it is, it is pretty bad. Well, and, you know, I was on the keto diet for a little bit, and it's similar, but it's not the same thing as a carnivore diet. But, you know, I was craving that sugar. Like, I was even going the grocery store and looking at the, you know, reading the alcohol sugars and this sugar and that sugar for diet candy or no sugar candy. But even the sugar alcohols made me nervous because it would be like 76 grams or something. And, you know, you're only supposed to have so many grams of, you know, sugars or carbs a day. but I was craving those sugars when I was even on the keto diet. For sure.

Yeah, I mean, it's tough. But you, I think you, but like with me in my case, I went through like what was called the keto flu for the first week or two where your body is just adjusting to new types of foods that it's not used to. Yeah, so, yeah. So, Dr. Sean Baker, for those of you that watched Joe Rogan and have watched him for a while, Dr. Baker has been on Joe Rogan. podcast and actually Sean is the reason I believe that Joe Rogan got on the carnivore diet.

Now if you guys are regular listeners to Joe Rogan's podcast, then you will know that Joe goes back and forth with the carnivore diet. He actually talks a lot about the carnivore diet and what it did for him and how it benefited him and kind of his experiences with that. And Sean went on

Joe Rogan's podcast and discussed that in depth. So if you guys want to look at that podcast with Joe Rogan. You guys can definitely check that out. But just a little bit about Sean. He's a doctor and athlete, a father, and he's definitely a proponent of the carnivore diet and the creator and founder of the carnivore diet. He is also orthopedic surgeon. He's an athlete, world record holder athlete of that, and we're going to ask him about that as well. He's a CEO at Rivera. He's the author of the carnivore diet book, international speaker, podcast host,

consultant, a lifetime pursuer of excellence. He's basically pushing boundaries and not selling for meteorocracy. He's a father's soldier and a revolutionist. And so some of his achievements, which are many, he was a Bachelor's of Arts graduate for University of Texas at Austin in Biology, Doctorate of Medicine, Texas Tech Health Sciences University. He completed five years orthopedic surgical residency at University of Texas. He's a chief of orthopedics, Curtlin Air Force Base, or was, sorry, chief of orthopedics

Luke Air Force Base. He was a chief of orthopedic trauma at Boggham Air Force Base in Afghanistan in 2007. He had over 600 surgeries that he completed in Afghanistan on our soldiers and people that needed life-saving assistance. He was the lead surgeon of 12 provider orthopedic surgical group private practices until 2016. And so this guy's done all that. I mean, not only that. He was a nuclear weapons launch officer for United States Air Force for five years. Nuclear weapons combat commander of the year, 90 Operation Group 1986. He's done everything. He's kind of done it all.

So it's pretty cool. It makes me feel like I need to do more. I don't know. Well, I'm just telling you, like, going down the list, he has so many, like, accomplishments. Like, a lot of people couldn't even, like, do that in a lifetime. And I think there are certain people, like, I think there's like 10% of the people in the world can accomplish these many things. But what was really cool about Sean Baker and what Chad and I were reading about is that he, you know, it was a surgeon in the wars and he did over 600 surgeries to help, you know, fallen soldiers. And I, you know, I just salute him for that.

I think that's just amazing. And I just think it's awesome, too, that I don't want to give my age, but I guess you guys probably kind of know. But Sean is just a little bit older than me. And when you look at his pictures, I mean, he is like this, like Chad said, a body buff, like incredible looking man that's in great shape. And it's, you know, all because of his diet and exercise routine. And I think, you know, it's amazing. And just even writing a book like that.

Like, I mean, he's done so much. He's a surgeon. He writes books. And, you know, there's a lot of people out there that are following the carnival diet. If you've not followed it or you don't know anything about it, you are definitely in the right place because it, like I said, it's similar to keto, but it's not. There's some differences, but we'll let Sean go deeper in detail about that. But, you know, we're really excited to have him on there, especially me because I've extensively researched, you know, low carb diets,

not necessarily carnivore, but I have a feeling after we get done talking to. to Dr. Baker tonight that I'm going to be on the carnivore diet starting not tomorrow, but maybe the next day. So. All right. So, Sean, are you with us? I am with us. How are you guys? We are doing fantastic. Thank you for coming on the podcast for sure. We were actually just kind of reading off your bio and some of your accomplishments. And I said that it makes me feel like I need to do more in life. It's extensive. Yeah. So, Sean, tell me, First of all, you, one of the things I didn't realize was you were in the military until just kind of reading your bio. What was that like?

And obviously, you know, I guess you had some surgeries over in Afghanistan. Yeah, I mean, I was in. I basically had two complete different military careers. My first time, I was in as a nuclear weapons guy. So I used to launch the nuclear bombs that we would, you know, send across the world of Russia. That was me that would have been launching those. So, you know, obviously, we never actually launched one. that was what we were trained to do.

And so I spent about five years in that career. And then the military sent me to medical school. And so I came back in about, I got about 10 years later after I finished all my training, back into the military as a orthopedic surgeon. And, you know, I spent, you know, time obviously, you know, in the U.S. normal type day-to-day stuff. And then got sent to Afghanistan, you know, orthopedic. theater and did a bunch of very interesting and awful and crazy trauma.

You know, there was a lot of just nuts, that crazy trauma. But yeah, I did all that stuff for a while. Yeah, that's insane. I could imagine. That's insane and crazy. And I just, I salute you completely. Like, that's awesome. Yeah.

So what, so what, you know, obviously you are the, I guess, creator of the carnivore diet and kind of how we labeled this podcast. And, you know, one of the things we, we talk about a lot on this. podcast is, you know, we've talked a ton about COVID-19. We've talked a ton about government and, you know, kind of a little bit of everything. But we also talk about health. We talk about staying healthy, especially during a pandemic. But what kind of, what, how did you create the carnivore diet?

What made you create it? What was your thinking behind this? What was the research behind it and so on? And are you still, obviously, all into that? Well, I mean, to answer your last question, yeah. I mean, in fact, I just got done eating some risk. and some, and a couple eggs for my pre-workout here. But, yeah, so I've been on this diet for roughly five years, just a little over five years.

So I didn't like, I wasn't the first guy to invent eating meat. You know, obviously that's been going on forever. And there are even physicians going back as far as, even back to the 1700s that used this as a therapeutic tool to treat various illnesses, you know, so we've got all kinds of historical accounts of that being done. And, you know, I mean, I kind of named, I was one of the responsible for naming this the carnivore diet. and that I guess that helped propel its popularity.

And, of course, I got for a bit of social media exposure on that. And so what led me to do it, you know, first was just, you know, experimenting with my own health. And I was open-minded enough after I looked at nutrition long and hard and read enough books and saw so many, quote, quote, paradoxes of things that, you know, they're telling us that this is how it should be. And you look, you know, you actually look at people and they say, wait a minute, none of this seems to line up with what we're being told. and then I looked into how, you know, the actual nutrition science and saw that it's not a very particularly strong science. It's not a pure science. It's a lot of assumptions.

And, you know, we can't do this because it's human beings. We can't. I mean, fair enough, you know, you don't want to, you can't do 50-year-long experiments on human beings and then cut them open at the end of the experiment like you came on an animal study. So it's, we've got really just very incomplete knowledge about what nutrition actually. does to our bodies. And, you know, we've got this sort of cultural normal, what a normal diet looks like, you know, like in the U.S., most everybody's eating some sort of omniburice. Unfortunately, much of that is a junk food diet. But if you look at other cultures around the world, I mean, there's people that living in the polar regions, you know, the Inuit and other,

you know, northern regions of Samis and the Nenei and all these other populations, the Nilellatic Africans, like the Maasai and others, the gauchos in South America, the Mongolians, and, you know, Asia, all these people lived on primarily meat-based diets. And by all accounts, they were healthy, they were happy, they didn't suffer greatly from chronic disease, they lived a normal lifespan, and it was normal for them. It wasn't, you know, like if I took the carom or not and brought it to the plains of Mongolia, I don't think anybody would say, well, that's kind of what we do normally anyway. It's not a big deal.

It's only in the context of, you know, Western, Western Europe, United States, you know, some of these developed countries where we have around the clock, 24 access to what. whatever we want to eat. We've got fruit coming in from South America in January, which is, you know, I mean, we couldn't, no one would have ever done that even, even 100 years ago. That would have been an impossibility. So, so, I mean, I did it for my health.

I noticed, you know, I was already a low carb. I was on a keto diet at the time. I just continued, it made sense, you know, the better quality protein. I looked at some of the athletic historical accounts. And as a competitive athlete, I was interested in that, so I tried it. I kind of dabble with it a couple days here.

and there and then I finally got the courage to do it for a month straight back in 2016 and it was it was wonderful I mean I just felt like this is the best I could remember feeling in many many years and you know at the end of the 30 days I said well I'm gonna go you know it was a nice experiment I'm gonna go back to sort of the regular mixed diet and I immediately felt worth my digestion was not as good I started seeing some of the aches and pains coming back so I was like you know I really like feeling good so wow and now it's five years later right yeah It's interesting you say that, Sean, because I have, you know, I'm 37 years old.

So I have, which my mom had diverticulitis and she had to have a surgery. I don't know if I'm sure you probably know what diverticulitis is, like the pockets and all that. And it's kind of funny because, you know, first, obviously there's a lot of people that says don't eat seeds, don't eat this, don't eat that. And, you know, then a lot of people said, well, that really doesn't affect it. But the strange thing is if you look up like what foods to avoid during diverticulitis, which I've had like an actual civil. episode of it, probably six or seven times at this point. I've tried to start eating meat more, but it's funny because if you look diverticulitis up, it talks about avoiding red meat.

I think this is one of the things that I don't agree with because the more, it seems like when I eat red meat, you know, more so than I eat, say, whatever. I mean, whether it be grains. Right. And letting your diet just to meat and not putting any like carbs in there or anything. Yeah. I feel like it actually helps my stomach. Right.

I mean, and I don't know if there's any correlation to that. I don't know why that would happen, but it's just weird because it's opposite of what, you know, website says. Right. Yeah, so, I mean, what I'll comment on that is, you know, often we have, you know, the people that, in most of the data that we have all this nutritional epidemiology, we look at these populations, such. Most people that eat meat are people that just eat a lot of young food in general. They don't care about their health because they've been told red meat. We've been told red meat is bad for us since about 1960. And so people that continue to eat red meat are the people that sort of, in general, say, I don't care about this.

I'm going to eat whatever I do. I'm going to smoke. I'm going to drink. I'm going to eat junk food. I'm eating meat because it tastes good. And so that's the cohort you're generally doing with. And those people generally do poor health-wise. There was a study in the Journal of Gastronerology that was done.

It was one of the few actual intervention, colonoscopy intervention. So I was looking at diverticulosis and fiber content in the diet. And the physician that did a study basically found that people that ate the most fiber that had the most number of bowel movements actually had the highest amount of diverticulosis. So diverticulosis is a creation of those pouches. And then the diverticulitis is when those pouches get irritating and claimed or infected. And true to what you were saying is many times if you go to the pathologist lab and you look at the diverticulitis, and sometimes when they have to reset colon, sometimes they'll cut part of the colon out to treat diverticulitis,

and they'll look at those little pouches, and they almost always find bits of seeds or leaves or some sort of fibrous material stuck in those diverticulate. Meat doesn't do that. I mean, you just think about common sense. I know this is kind of goofy and gross, but if you look in the toilet, you know, you've never seen a piece of meat floating in there.

I mean, if you did, you've got serious, serious problems, but, I mean, you've probably seen vegetable material in there before, And so that just shows, and we know, I mean, everybody that studies GI physiology knows that meat is absorbed in the upper GI tract. I mean, it's completely absorbed in your small intestine. It doesn't even get in your large intestine any degree. And so to say that meat is now causative for a colon problem is really, it strains credibility, particularly when you know, the basic physiology there. It's kind of groundbreaking what you just said, actually. I said that's kind of groundbreak.

I mean, it makes complete sense exactly what you just. just said. Because I think most of my diverticuli are in the bottom part of my colon. So that makes sense why it doesn't bother me. And like Dr. Baker saying, like I hate to say that, but you have like poop that has vegetables floating around in it, you know? Yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean, I can't eat lettuce.

I have a tough time eating, uh, just, you know, anything. Any like, like, uh, any leaf, whatever, green beans, especially uncooked stuff. It's just tough on my stomach. It, it, it always hurts my stomach. I usually get flare-ups after that. It's a weird thing. And I just can I ask, and I promised my mom that I was going to ask Dr. Baker this one question. Yeah, go ahead.

All right. So I have done some studying about low-carb diets, and my mom was just diagnosed with lung cancer. She's an older woman. But I was telling her with this diet, possibly it could help fight the cancer. I mean, can you expand on that? or do you agree or disagree? Well, I think that, you know, improving your nutrition is going to help in any situation. I don't care of it's cancer or heart disease or diabetes or whatever you might be dealing with.

There's a decent body of evidence that suggests that many types of cancers do better metabolically when there's an ample supply of glucose. And so by reducing carbohydrate count in your diet, you reduce the access to glucose. there's a professor out of Boston University called Thomas Safrein, who has done extensive work on this. And so he basically maintains cancer is what he calls a metabolic mitochondrial disease. So mitochondrial, which is a little powerhouse of the cell, if you guys remember from seventh grade biology or whenever we had that. But the mitochondria become damaged due to nutritional problems, you know, energy problems. And that's the basic underlying issue.

that causes serial disruption that downstream leads to DNA damage which then leads to mutations and, you know, cancer cells propagating. And so by starving the cells or their fuel source, you can, you know, you can sort of prevent, maybe slow

down the growth or prevent metastasis or that sort of thing. There's another molecule called glutamate, which some of the cells can use. That's something we make internally, and it's harder to prevent. But the shorter answer is, there are a number of people that have seen

either complete halting of their cancer some people have even seen regression again I don't know I wouldn't be so bold as to say everybody's going to benefit from this but certainly I think improving in nutrition I've seen people going through chemotherapy on a carnivore diet and they have

very good experiences whereas many people on chemotherapy they have intractable vomiting their hair falls out and a lot of just discomfort and pain and And they don't feel good. Many people in the carol carbonide have said, you know, it was minimal. It was mild. And so there's, I mean, there's definitely some value in changing nutrition for even,

even late stage cancer. I don't know how far along your mom is or what her circumstances. But the short answer is it probably can at least provide some benefit. Yeah. And, Sean, you know, I've heard a lot about red meat and inflammation. Is that, is there any tied to that? Like, what is I'm sure people have asked you that? yeah so I mean you know again one of the things is you know if we look at these population studies

and you say well people that eat more meat have higher inflammatory markers again that goes to who are these people you're selecting you're selecting in often cases again people that join smoke and drink and don't exercise and I don't have bad habits in general but one of the things we know like physiologically if you eat really anything there's some inflammation that occurs right I mean this is like when I exercise my body's have an inflammatory response, but that's normal. We're supposed to see that. When we eat, there's an inflammatory response, and arguably we're all supposed to eat. So that's probably normal physiology.

Now, when you eat meat, it takes longer to digest a piece of meat than it does a piece of bread. I mean, a bread just breaks down very quickly. You know, you've got amylase, it doesn't have much material to it. It quickly goes through and is quickly absorbed, and you get this. That's why you see such a quick glucose spike with meat, particularly real meat that comes with fat, like we're supposed to eat it. you're going to see a very delayed and very slow rise in glucose. So you might see while that's going on, you might see a post-preangular after meal inflammatory response that lasts a little longer.

There's no evidence that that's actually bad. But what many people are talking about when they talk about inflammation, they talk about these chronic disease, inflammatory markers like C-reactive protein, Eurlucin 6 and some of the other ones, homocysteine, so and so forth. What I've seen, you know, in fact, studies out of hormones, University on the Carverdine have confirmed this is that people that go on a Carver diet for three, six months a year or longer typically have very low markers of inflammation. And that's, you know, like I said, that was just published this year. That's what I've seen.

I've seen, I've got data on some 12,000 people and I reliably see low inflammatory markers. And, you know, that's based on a lab date or objective day, but also clinically. I mean, people say, my joint stop hurting, you know, and why your joints hurt, a lot of that is inflammatory. And so we see our joints stop hurting, our gut stop hurting, you know, the swelling of our face and hands and fingers and feet goes away. All these are markers of, you know, some degree of inflammation. So what I see chronically is it just gets better. And so the sort of basis by which saying red meat is inflammatory is one, it's either based on post-prangial data or just, you know, epidemiology on standard American McDonald's eaters, which is not, you know, what I'm promoting.

Yeah, it's, yeah, it's, I mean, you know, the, so what is, I guess there's a lot of people that have asked, and kind of we had talked about you coming on, what is the big difference in carnivore and keto? What is, what's the main thing? Well, I mean, you know, keto, I mean, these days, keto can mean just about anything. I mean, you could drink Diet Coke and corn syrup, corn oil, and call it keto, right? I mean, it's just a macronutrient composition. The food quality, quantity is not really. counted in key now. Now, a well-formulated ketogenic diet is going to be, ideally it's going to have some meat,

some eggs, maybe a little bit of dairy, you know, maybe some low glycemic carbohydrates, leafy green vegetables, maybe some berries. That would be, you know, what most people consider a healthy ketogenic diet. Carver diet, you know, you just basically exclude the plant matter for the most part. I mean, you know, some people put a little bit of stuff in here and there, but mostly if you're focusing on meat, you know, it's like an animal, like a diverse animal that eat meat. So, I mean, it's basically meat for most people. Some people add eggs.

Some people put a little dairy in there, although dairy for many people is problematic. Seafood, you know, whatever. Some people from Morgan meats, I don't think it's necessary. Some people do, but the data I've seen doesn't convince me on that. But I think the other thing is, you know, you're not worried about being in a state of ketosis. You're not sort of measuring those things. Whereas on a ketogenic diet, the whole point is to get into a state of ketosis. which is measured, you know, voluilies, either breath, blood, or urine.

And so that's a difference in there. And the other thing is, you know, nowadays, you know, you can go to the grocery store. And there's probably 100 products that have a keto label on them, most of which is just pure junk food. I mean, it's like, you know, just because a keto cookie doesn't mean it's not still a damn cookie. And, you know, if you eat those, you're going to still basically be harming yourself for the most part, you know, or particularly if you do it very frequently. There's a lot of people that sit there and say, well, I can have a keto cookie every day. or six of them every day because it's keto and that's kind of garbage

the garbage way to think so a carnivore diet is really just a whole food diet I mean it's you know it's probably in many people go into ketosis on a car over diet it's a diet where many people do that if you think about what might have been if some if you would argue a ketogenic diet is a natural or or even a superior a physiological state for humans and you'd say what would the original ketogenic diet look like it would not have been you know ketogenic diet cheesecakes and questbops. Right. Fat bombs.

It would have been, you know, it would have been mammoth meat. I mean, you know, clearly humans, I mean, you know, if you look back far enough into anthropology, humans were consumers of large herbivores, you know, these large mega herbivores, you know, the mammoth, the mastodon, the, you know, the oric, you know, the hippos and the, you know, the wild, or inoceruses and on and on and on until we basically exhausted our food supply. And then we had to go after skinnier and leaner animals. And then we had to add more plight of foods that are to make up our energy deficits. Yeah.

So anyway, that makes sense. Yeah. And so my next question is what's the difference between the carnivore diet and paleo? And so I'm sorry. I lost that last part. Yeah. Like what's the difference in carnivore and paleo? Is there, I guess, paleo has more.

That more plant-based, I guess. Yeah, it's just plant. Yeah. I mean, Paylow is something, you know, let's say we're going to eat everything that was available 10,000 years ago, or 20,000 years ago. So they typically exclude dairy products. They exclude, you know, most like legumes, like peanuts and nuts. You know, there are some similarities of that. But, I mean, they may include a lot of leafy vegetables.

Again, all those sort of other diets include a decent amount of plant material. And many people brag about, you know, because we were, you know, Everybody's on this, under this spell that you've got to eat 12 cups of vegetables every day to be healthy or something. Obviously, I'm exaggerating a little bit, but this belief that if you just eat all kinds of broccoli and spinach and carrots and kale and arugula, it's going to be a kind of supercharge you. And so even the early advocates of these paleo diets and ketogenic diets made sure to let everybody know, hey, we're eating lots of green vegetables because we think it's good. And it's interesting guys like Mark Sisson, who was one of the. the original, you know, developers of the primal diet,

or Mark or Rob Wolf who developed the paleo solution. Both of those guys have come around and said, you know, I think really me is mostly where it's at, and so other stuff is kind of, you know, kind of superfluous, you know, you didn't feel like it and you enjoy it, but it's not the focus. Yeah. I, you know, and the thing is,

I've actually seen your, you know, I follow your YouTube, and by the way, guys, anyone out there that want to check his YouTube out, especially our audience you will like his videos and Sean that's actually one of the reasons that I kind of found you I found you on YouTube because you as a doctor you with the history and the background you have

and you know the carnivore thing you know our podcast is one of the top podcasts in the world that kind of talk about the things that are going on in the world you know we try to relay information via podcast that the media you hides or people just want to know. I mean, you know, we do a ton of research on many, many different things. And one of the reasons I found you actually is because of just kind of some of your commentary

on, you know, what's been going on in the world. You know, you talk a lot about your diet on there as well. I see your crazy, huge tomahawk steaks that you have on there, which look amazing. We definitely do not find that in our local grocery store. So I'm going to ask you where you do find that. But what is your thoughts on, you know, as a doctor, as someone that's health conscious and has been in the military, obviously, you probably love your country, you know, what is your thoughts on what's going on? I mean, I know you talk about on your YouTube quite often, but what are you thinking right now, especially when you see, like, you know, it seems like medical science is just being ignored in at least half of what's actually going on. Yeah, I mean, and, you know, just for the sake of, if you're anybody that might want to go see my YouTube show,

I'm currently suspended from YouTube. I've been on a two-week suspension for the third time. I'll get back on Friday. So if you, people ask me, why aren't you uploading it? Because I can't because I'm suspended. I was curious about that. Every time I broach the topic of, you know, COVID to any significant degree. And it all somewhat critical of any of the vaccines, you immediately get suspended.

So it's kind of crazy. So we're living really in a time in which I am just amazed and shocked by what's happening, but more so that the number of people that are accepting what's happening, including, you know, members of my professional physicians, which I think is just abhorrent and quite honestly discussed me a little bit or quite a bit. I think that, you know, as a physician, as a surgeon, I mean, one of the things that right now we're not even providing true informed consent for most people when it comes to some of these policies. I think the mandates that we have, whether they're mask mandates or social distancing or, you know, shutdowns, lockdowns, school policies, restaurant policies are nonsense. I mean, they're not based on any credible science. It's ridiculous.

I mean, as a surgeon, I wore a mask every day for 20-some years. I don't mind. I don't care. The mask doesn't bother me, but I know what I'm using it for. And it's not for me to prevent some respiratory virus. It's just not what they do. And to pretend that there are some great. you know,

tool is, I think, disingenuous. I mean, the fact that we completely, as a, as a, you know,

I mean, there's a few people talking about this, myself included, but as a national response, we've just totally ignored the host, the health of our hosts,

which are the people that are getting infected, uh, just to say, well, there's nothing we can do. We can't make people lose weight. We can't people,

make people, uh, improve their diabetes. And therefore, we're going to just bypass that, not even talk about that. you know, and just go straight to, you know, lock yourself under your room, hide into your bed, put six masks on, and, you know, don't hug your kids, and then take, you know, 15 vaccines

or as many as we keep telling you to take is, to me, is irresponsible. Now, I'm not someone that sits there and says the vaccines are a bioweapon and they're out there to stick, you know, nanotechnology. I think that stuff is unhelpful. What I will say is, I think, you know, and this is no surprise. rise. Every time a drug company comes out with a drug, it's always the greatest thing in the world. And then three years later, when you get the clinical data and you're like, yeah, it was kind of, you know, it wasn't. It's like going to use carous chelmsman, really.

I mean, it's like, yeah, this is the greatest thing. You get it to drive at home. You're like, well, this thing wasn't as delivered, you know, what didn't deliver as promised. And so we're seeing that clearly with, you know, the vaccine efficacy over time. We're seeing, you know, side effects that are higher than, you know, than are being reported, I believe. And I think the fact that you're sitting there and saying every single. human being, this breathing needs to take this thing when clearly there are groups, particularly kids, that are at so low risk for this that I think it just makes no sense.

You know, the risk to harm ratio is not necessarily compelling for me. You know, even as a, even if I had an intervention that I knew was 100% effective and it was 100% safe, and by the way, nothing like that exists. Even water, you could argue, you know, any 200 amount could be harmful. for people. But even if in that situation, if somebody said they did not want this 100% safe, 100% effective medical treatment and medical intervention, I'd say, fine, that's up to you. That's your choice. But we're not doing that. You know, we're sitting there forcing people. I know they're saying, well, we're not, we're not making it mandatory. We're not doing that. But yes, they are. I mean,

you know, if your job is it on the line and you can't feed your children, I mean, you know, that's coercion. There's no point. There's no, I mean, in, consent for a medical procedure, there can be no allocation for coercion in that in that equation. If you, at the moment you coerce people, you violate it informed consent, and it's, you know, it's, it's, it's unethical, but honestly. Sean, do you believe, so we've, we've brought up some studies, we've had some, we've talked to some doctors, we've, we've had, you know, just a lot of stuff about, what do you, what is your thoughts on studies that do come out? my wife, Sherry, you have the vaccine.

I do not. And I chose to do that because of the career I'm in. Yeah. We'll just say that. Yeah, you're right. So we're not anti-vax. I mean, we don't ever tell anyone, don't get the vaccination. I think that's everyone's personal choice.

But at the same time, we have also, you know, had had a lot of people talk about and studies does come out. And doctors saying that, hey, we're seeing a possible, well, not possible. I mean, these doctors are seeing a 30% increase in cancer in some cases and in certain types of cancers. And, you know, whether or not that's 100% tied to the vaccine. We don't know. But, you know, it's something that affects both of our lives. My mom has had cancer now. She possibly has it again.

Her mom now has cancer. You know, it's not just cancer. I mean, there's like studies coming out with AIDS, for example. Or it's not the AIDS, but it's just, you know, some doctors are saying, well, does the same thing as AIDS does as far as. immune system with T8 cells and killer T8 cells. But, you know, I mean, is this, you know, and I guess maybe we should make the point more so on this is the stuff that maybe is why it should absolutely not be a mandatory. Yeah, never in a million years be a mandated vaccine.

Yeah, especially on children. Yeah, especially on kids, yeah. I mean, what is your thoughts on it? Is that possibly? I mean, obviously, I mean, some of that stuff, you know, some of it may say, well, you know, the cancer diagnosed you up because people have been hiding in their houses and not showing up to the doctor and they've been waiting and it's been delayed and they've gained weight and so some of those things you could maybe explain what it's at i know there's been a pretty dramatic increase in cardiovascular disease particularly younger cohorts which kind of you know makes you wonder about that stuff but i mean i think the bottom line is we just don't know and we don't have the studies that are done

we don't have any long-term data on this stuff they're not willing to do those studies i mean in they're not like some people are not willing to publish it one of my friends has seen malhotra but who's a cardiologist in the UK, basically was talking to a group of cardiologists and said, hey, we're seeing just a dramatic increase in myocarditis among a younger population. But we don't want to publish that data because we fear we're going to lose all further funding for our research and our research department will go under. So we're seeing, you know, obviously, I mean, you know, we're in a crazy time of just censorship. If you're not bought into the narrative, you know, lock, stock and barrel, I mean, there's physicians out there.

I mean, I think pretty much every physician that's practicing with a license, if I'm not mistaken, I think most if not, every single state came out and said, look, if you do not for, you know, aggressively promote vaccines or sign letters saying people get exemptions, if you sign too many of them, we'll take your license away. We'll take you. We'll end your medical career, basically. Or, you know, impede your ability to practice medicine, make a living, support your family, pay your bill. and most doctors, you know, I mean, if you look at most of them, hell, they're a quarter of a million dollars in debt, particularly the young ones.

I mean, they don't know anything else. They have no other skills. I mean, it's not like they can go and get another job, you know, outside of medicine if you lose your license. And so it's a challenging situation. So a lot of the information in the data we're getting is very much biased due to, you know, coercion, pressure. you know, it's clear that the pharmaceutical companies are, you know, manipulating the media, they own the media, they own, they sit on the boards. I mean, for every single congressman in the United States government, there's three drug lobbyists.

You know, there's three to one. I mean, there's three lobbies for every single member of Congress in the United States, which is just insane. They spend more money than any other industry on lobbying dollars, and that's just what's reported the government legally. I don't know how much is, you know, given to private citizens. and under the table and back alley deals. I think I saw that the drug companies spend more money on marketing than they do on research,

which is kind of insane to think about that. I'm sure, yeah. I do a lot of marketing. So, I mean, that's good for me, I guess, right? I mean, when people care more about studies and people's health. You know, and so back to briefly what we're talking about real quick, your Tomahawk steaks. Now, you know, obviously I don't see those very often in stores, but if people want to get, you know, involved in the carnivore diet, does the type of meats they buy matter? And where do you get that type of stuff?

I mean, where do you get something as, I mean, literally your stakes are huge and they look amazing. But, you know, is any steak okay? Is any meat okay? Do you primarily stick with state? Yeah, I mean, I, you know, I have the fortune to interact with lots of ranchers. because I've been very much pro cattle rancher. I mean, I think these guys are feeding us nutrition that's

making us healthy. And so I think they're underappreciated. So I've been trying to promote people working directly with ranchers, trying to just sort of de-vill and I vilify that occupation where a lot of people think

cattle ranchers are out there torturing animals, which is the most ridiculous thing you've never heard. But If you listen to these vegan activists, you know, which are totally misrepresenting the industry, you'd think that, you know, some of these kids have never seen you, or they watch some stupid, uh, vegan documentary, and they're like suddenly, oh, I can't eat meat. So I, you know, as far as meat quality is concerned, you know, honestly, most meat you can pick up in this,

in the grocery store is a superfood. I don't care if it's Walmart, you know, that $3.99 a pound, ground beef, or, That's going to give you good health for the most part. I mean, I know there's people that really feel passionately about, oh, that feedlot meat that's got antibiotics and hormones. That's really not the reality. There's really meat itself has it's got almost no detectable traces of any kind of hormone. I mean, the amount of meat you'd have to eat to even impact your hormones as a male, you'd have to eat 27 entire cows in one setting. A day, every day you'd have to eat 27 cows to get the amount of estrogen that you produce natural.

As a male, as a female, you probably have to eat something like 300 cows. So, I mean, no one's eating that quantity of food. Again, you're talking nanogram quantities. They're so tiny in animals, whether they've been giving a hormone implant or not, still produced estrogen, just like you and I do, and everybody does. All mammals produce, you know, these sex hormones. And so you're going to get them no matter how they're raised or reared, and the amounts are just minuscule different.

And the same thing with antibiotics. cows cannot go to slaughter if they've been given an antibiotic, you know, within a certain period, I think it's like six weeks. And so if a rancher administers an antibiotic to an animal typically is for an infection and then they bring them to be slaughtered and that is detected in the meat. If the USDA detects that, they'll be fined, they'll be penalized, they won't be paid for the animal, and they probably will lose some of the processing ability. And so that it really, really bohous them not to do that. So that's not really the issue. And, you know, it's like I said, I've got data on thousands and thousands of people that do this diet. And the people that come off their medications, reverse their diabetes, come off their blood pressure meds, come off their depression meds, come off their autoimmune meds, you know, fix your gut, fix your psoriasis.

It doesn't seem to matter if they're eating the purest, grass-finished, regenerative agriculture meat, or they're eating, you know, ground bee from Walmart. doesn't seem to make a much difference. Now, there's individuals that some feel better one way or the other, and it goes both ways. Some people feel better on grain finished beef than grass finished beef. So I don't get out there and push it. And, you know, the Harvard University study that just came out back in November, or last month in November, basically shows the same thing, which is what I've seen.

So I don't, you know, I think there's very good reasons to support what's called regenerative agriculture or, you know, holistic grazing, or whatever you want to call it, from an environmental standpoint. So I think if your concern is I want to eat and I can afford to help the environment, then that makes sense because you can make better arguments and there's demonstrable things that they're doing that I think makes sense for certain regions of the country. And it's not, again, it's not a one-size-fits-all solution just like most things. You know, it's just like these vaccines, you know, not everybody needs a vaccine.

Not everybody's at higher risk. You know, there's a lot of people that have already had COVID. like myself and others that like, look, man, I'm in minimal risk. Leave me alone. Yeah. And so last question, Sean, I have to ask this, but I know you've got to run. But the last question I have is if you are, say you have problems of cholesterol or you have history of heart disease or any of that stuff. What does the carnivore diet do for or against that?

I mean, is that something to worry about if you have a history of that? Because I know a lot of people do in America. Well, I mean, yeah, I think, you know, and this is a nuanced topic, but if you have a history of heart disease, yes, you need to worry about heart disease. If you have a history of high cholesterol, that may or may not be a problem. For most people, most Americans who are, you know, either slightly obese or obese, I just saw stats that 80% of the men in America are now either overweight or obese or morbidly obese, which is crazy to think about 80% of the people walking around and their men,

adult men are at least overweight and many of them are obese and morbidly obese. If you're in that situation, maybe you're diabetic or pre-diabetic or hyperalincenemic, if you've got chronic inflammation, elevated cholesterol in that situation is probably something to be very concerned about or at least be aware of that. If those things aren't going on and you're lean and you've got low glucose control and you've got low inflammation and low blood pressure and low triglycerides and high. HDL and you know you can look at your vessels and see that your heart is clear and you've got you know no evidence of plaque then probably it's not that big of a deal a carnivore diet and so

much of the data now coming out shows that the biggest real risk factor for cardiovascular disease is really diabetic pathophysiology so these are the people that are pre-diabetic diabetic or you know even hyperinsulinic before their number their glucose numbers go up so these people are the ones that you really need to worry about for for heart progressing to heart disease and what we see is by going on a carnivore diet or a low carb diet or even a ketogenic diet in many cases depending on it's formulated we see that diabetic path of physiology dramatically improving people's glucose normalized I can't say you know the study that Harvard University did on carnivore showed that literally 92% of the diabetics came off of all of their insulin 100% of them came off all of their other

injectable diabetic meds, and 84% of them got rid of their oral medications, which is amazing. I mean, this is one of the most powerful diabetic interventions that's ever been done. And so if we're looking at that being the number one risk factor for heart disease, carnivore diet generally results over time in low heart disease. Now, the only exception of that is if you've got something that just had a heart attack and their, you know, their heart is in flame, their blood vessels are in flame, they're wildly insulin resistant, they've got, you know, elevated blood pressure. In that situation, you can still go on a carnivore diet, but you have to deal with your

cholesterol. And so that may be through how you formulate the diet. It may be how you might even have to take medication to decrease that cholesterol level while you're dealing with all these other issues. Now, say, six months goes by, and you're no longer diabetic, you're no longer of hypertension, you're no longer obese, you no longer have fissural fat, you no longer have elevated triglycerides. Then you're in a very different situation.

and then you can maybe come off the medication and see your cholesterol, what your cholesterol does at that time. See, that's how I would generally talk to most people. But you need to get more information. I think typically when somebody's on a carnivore diet and they do a consultation with me, I'm usually saying, hey, we're going to need a little bit more information about your overall risk because risk is for cardiovascular disease is clearly, clearly much more than just, hey, what's your LDL cholesterol.

And that's so awesome, Sean. And that's what I was, my next question is, if somebody wants, to like go into the carnival diet what is the where is the best place for them to go can they consult with you and i know you have a you have a website right yeah we just and what is that all about right so we have a you know it's a company called reveral dot com r e v err so we reverse disease there pretty consistently and we're rapidly growing right now we have thousands of members we have all kinds of resources for getting started you can sign up for a free month we have free coaching sessions for people that sign up.

So you can get plugged in. There's all kinds of support groups. There's just, I mean, there's mountains of information. We have thousands of research articles. And, you know, just from the literature, you know, from the NIH and other public pub med research. And then we've got all kinds of literature just writing about this stuff and how to implement it. And then just, you know, getting people that have done it, no, they're done it. Most likely.

And the other thing is really neat. We've got hundreds upon hundreds of success stores that you can just go through. and, you know, find something that you're, most likely you can find somebody that has your condition unless you've got some weird, rare thing that only 10 people in the world have. But anything that you can look at, we can, we've basically seen success with that. So it's, it's a great place to go. So it's reverro.com. I have a meeting every single morning at 9 a.m. Pacific time where I have anywhere from

25 to 100 people in a little Zoom call, and we just chat. We just talk about wherever people want to talk about. I answer questions. Sometimes we'll have a guest and turn it in a little. to a podcast, but, you know, I'm there all the time. I try to make myself as accessible to as many people as possible. So it's there for people who want to use that resource. That's awesome.

Well, Sean, man, we think you. I'm so excited. I'm going to join it. Yeah, we're going to do that. And by the way, I don't know if you have any kind of affiliate thing. If you do, let us know. We'll put it on our stuff for any of our people that want to want to join. But, man, look, I definitely thank you for coming on. I for those of you out there that want a good YouTube channel to watch I watch him uh you know

once he gets unsusended check out Dr. Sean Baker and listen and this guy like I said I mean Sean's 54 right are you 54 Sean right yeah I turned 55 in about three weeks Woo happy birthday and he looks fabulous he's got a few he's got a few more muscles than I do but not done but uh but Sean man thank you not only for your service, you know, because I don't think we do that enough. Yeah. But, you know, just thank you for also going out there on YouTube and, you know, just telling your side of what's really going on.

Well, telling the truth. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You're just telling the truth. And that's what drew me to you. I think a lot of people are being drawn to you because of that. I think our audience will love that type of content. But also, I think our audience should definitely consider the carnivore diet is something I'm going to do. That's why I wanted to ask a lot of questions tonight.

me too all right guys well I gotta go run and go try to strangle people at jihitsu class all right

well Sean thanks so much have a good one all right take care I appreciate bye bye bye all right

that was Sean Baker yeah so so yeah you know it's funny because I said I was like man I got to ask him a ton of questions

because I've been thinking about like the carnivore diet and I said and that's why I wanted to ask him about diverticulitis in particular

because I do have that unfortunately I mean I'm 37 years old And if you look up diverticulitis, it literally talks about old people getting it. And I'm not old. But, you know, I've got pretty bad cases of diverticulitis over the past, I don't know, it probably started like five years ago, I guess. And a funny thing is, divertigitis is pouches in your colon.

I know you guys probably want to hear about this shit. It's pouches in your colon. And if something gets stuck in there, that it basically, if it gets infected, well, number one, it can go really bad. because people have died from it. And if your pouches get infected, if your pouches get infected, it can essentially burst because those pouches become very thin. Your actual colon becomes very thin.

And then if they burst, then you die. I mean, you can die very quickly. But what was amazing, and what I think that we got from this tonight, too, though, Chad, is what gets stuck in those pouches. It's fibrous. It's fibrous things that the carnival diet doesn't have. Yeah.

Well, it's funny because, you know, he makes a good point, you know. Yeah, I mean, I hate to say this guys. But like if you poop or whatever, right? And you have a bowel movement. I don't know what the correct word is. You're in trouble, I think. It's not digesting. Well, yeah, but a lot of vegetables do that.

Yeah, a lot of vegetables. Corn, even corn, like corn's a major one. Everyone's ate corn on the corn. cob. You know what happens the next day with corn on the cob. Yeah, one day I had the whole cob come out. That's weird. And you're like, well, you're not supposed to be eating a cob. No. But one of the things, you know, I know Sean had to run, so we didn't, we didn't have them crazy long. But, you know, I think we got a lot of good information out of them. And the thing is, is the reason I ask him about the cardiovascular problem is because like many people,

And there's a ton of people out there that literally have no idea that they even have any kind of cardiovascular issue. There's a lot of people that can have high blood pressure, high cholesterol, high all this stuff, and have no idea. Unless you get your blood taken, right? And so high cholesterol and stuff can be an issue, and so can high blood pressure and all those things. I have a history of it in my family. And I have seen things to where it talks about, and what he was talking about was a lot of the data coming out and studies are talking about one of the big risk factors for cardiovascular disease, one of the main ones, is diabetes and pre-diabetes, which often is associated with bigger, you know, more weight, insulin resistance.

You find that in obese people a lot, so on and so forth. But it's not always that. No, it's not always, no. Because even my mom, she's like 125 pounds and she has diabetes. Yeah, but she's also, when does she, I mean, but she's also 86. I know, but I'm just saying she still has. So eventually your body does start to break down. Now, the question would be is, like he said, I'd be interested if she literally went on an only

meat diet if her diabetes, even though I'm sure that her diabetes. No, she hasn't. Yes, she has. She's never done all-mead diet. No, she has cut out all carbs and all meat and all everything. Well, no, I think you're- She pretty much starved herself and she still is in diabetes. I think your mom, though.

I think your mom cut out everything. Yeah. And that's the problem. Yeah. Not just meat. Yeah. And she does, your mom starves herself.

Yeah, she's not a big steak person. But to me, I could eat steak every night. If I knew I was going to be. Yeah. If I knew I could be healthy and eat steak every night, I would do it because I love steak.

Yeah. Okay. But he did not bring out a lot about pig, you know, pork. He did bring up some things about fish. You know, like the Mediterranean diet, you know, you're supposed to eat, you know,

mainly fish. And fish is like the primary, And I guess it has to do with like where you live to, you know? Yeah. Well, I mean, the thing is, is, it just all depends. But, you know, I, for me personally, like, I struggle with diet, you know. I mean, I ain't going to lie, man. I mean, I've been working out a lot lately and I'm getting, I'm getting bigger, like, built-wise, which is fine.

Yeah, and just so you guys know, Chad does check himself out in the mirror sometimes. No, I do not. Shut up. No, I want to see, like, if I'm getting bigger or not. talking about everybody does um but no i mean uh but i do eat macdonalds in the morning like it's tough like in a morning sometimes i'll get macdonald's but you know i have this theory in my head i'm like oh no you know i'm just going i'm gonna i'm gonna go eat like you know uh bacon eggan cheese i'm gonna split it with the dogs not not the bacon and cheese i split well the funny thing is

i get a bacon and cheese biscuit in the morning because macdonald's got this deal is bacon and cheese or oh it's it's any two biscuits for buy one get one free basically so i'll get a two biscuits. And my plan is that I'm going to split the biscuit. And I'm going to only eat one biscuit. I'm going to have half of one and half of the other. And I'm going to give the other half to dogs. I'm just going to break it out, right? And then sometimes

I'll be like, shit, I only got a quarter to give you guys now. I'm like, okay, so I eat too much. I ate too much of the biscuit. But also, my theory kind of has been like, oh, I want a bulk or I want to like, you know, I want to whatever. I'm not doing this with cardio. But that's still not good for you. I know. But you think about that, what

the Hodge twins, for example. Oh, they eat all kinds of crazy shit. Oh, they would be, like, on video, like, eating five, six hamburs when they're bulking. Yeah. Well, and it's like Chad Ocho Cinco. I actually watched that interview. Chad Ocho Cinco used to play for the Bengals, and I think he played for the New England Patriots for a while. Chad O'Soucino, used to be Chad Johnson.

He was, like, the biggest trash talker, the hardest NFL player, really, what many people said, to, like, control. I mean, he was like, if anybody remembers Josh Norman, which, you know, Josh Norman and Carolina Panthers was defensive back. And he was very like just fiery and whatever. He got into some scuffles with players on his own team, especially the other team. Chad Johnson was one of those, but Chad Johnson was just like out there, Chad Ocho Cinco. And the thing is, he was like, man, he's like, he's like, you know what? And this is a funny thing. I wish I would have told him this.

He said, there was one thing I realized, man. He said, I had been to a couple teams. And he's like, all these players started like going on this vegan, vegetarian diet shit. And he's like, and you know what? I noticed about all these players that did this. They were injured all the damn time. Yeah. Well, I think Cam was on that.

Oh, yeah, he was. Yeah, Cam Newton. And he's like, they were injured all the time. He said, then he said, I went to New England. I think it was New England. He said, number one, the Patriots, he's like, you know, the number one thing I realized was they run that football camp like a freaking Marine Corps, number one. I mean, you don't step out of lime. He said, I had to, he said, me as boisterous as I was and as like outspoken and all this stuff as I was.

He said, me even at New England with Bill Belichick and all them, he said, I had to like tone that shit down because he said, I realized I knew they weren't accepting it. Like if I tried to do that same shit, I was gone. And they made it very clear from the very beginning. But he said, the other thing I realized was a lot of the players there, instead of this vegan health BS woke thing that a lot of NFL players are doing right now, like most of those players are on either keto or some type of primary meat diet. He said nobody was getting injured hardly. And he said, so then I went to this, he said, I went to this, our health.

or our team doctor and stuff. And he's like, why is everybody, like, what's y'all's theory on the keto and stuff and all that? And he's like,

and the team doctor and nutritionist was like, look, it's simple. Like, if we want to prevent injury, which is from tendons, primarily,

tendons, ligaments, yeah. Well, meat is the absolute best building block to your tendons and your ligaments.

It is, yeah. Because it's amino acid. You're basically eating it. Amino acids. You're eating tendons and ligaments. And it's just being dispersed to your tendons and ligaments.

and that's it prevents injury and i think we're like this whole vegan thing came in like honestly it's probably but way before this but when oh gosh but when um almost broke our computer when it was on um Netflix what the health that was a big documentary and they went into like all these places where they're like I don't know the animals were just I really wanted to eat vegan after that yeah It made me sick to my stomach after watching it. And then they're describing like how our teeth are not like carnivore teeth. Even I thought about that since then.

I was like, I don't think that's true because we do have incisors. We have canines. We have all the same things. Yeah, they're just not like dogs and cats. But you also know why is because, you know, a lot of people have said that we do have those. But the difference is that the way our evolution has went or whatever, we went more towards trying to eat plants and trying to eat stuff like that. And so as evolution came, we grew out of kneading incisors.

But like my brother Steve, man, he is, he has freaking like Dracula teeth. There's people that have that. I was going to say that. He looks like Dracula. They're like really sharp incisors. Yeah. Maybe which is why he wants a hunt all the time. Some people still have those.

Like I have like pretty sharp incisors. Like, I like them. I think they're kind of sexy. Yeah. Well, yeah, you do. But it's weird because it's not the typical ones. It's like the ones on the side. Yeah.

So maybe you're supposed to eat rabbits. And if you have incisors here, you're supposed to eat like deer or something. I don't know. But yeah. I think I might eat cow type girl. Yeah. I mean, so what do we take from this? Well, here's what I think we take from this.

I'm actually excited because this makes me feel like I can eat meat all. all the time. Oh, I know. But what Chattosunko said, so what his point was. Yeah. And I think this is a point for most anything, but, and I think this makes sense, even though I don't necessarily agree with him 100%, but Chad Jocinco on the podcast with the Nelk boys, and I watched this podcast, and he said, he said, so you're all about health and stuff? He's like, nah, man, he's like, hey, you McDonald's and Burger King all the time, every day.

You know, that's what he said. That's literally how he said it. And he's like, and Chado's just think, by the way. That's a bun off? No. He eats like anything. Like the whole thing. He eats everything. Like the hodge twins.

Yeah, he just eats shit all the time. And, you know, Chad Jocinco is built and ripped like crazy. He's like, look, he's like, I don't buy any of that. Like, you got to put in the perfect foods and honest in your body. He's like, our body needs that. Our body needs to like, you know, try to fight off those chemicals. But he said the point is, is I work out every day. Yeah, that is a workout every day.

You have to be able to work out. If you're eating biscuits every day in the morning, you better be working out. But that was one point that Sean Baker said tonight that made me feel a heck of a lot better. Because, you know, when we like investigate all these new diets and, you know, you have to eat only this type of meat or, what am I thinking of the word? Yeah, yeah. Well, like organic. Organic. It has to be grass fed.

It has to be grass fed. Organic. He said it really doesn't matter. You'd have to eat 300 cows. Yes, for it to even make a difference. Yeah. And I didn't realize the whole antibiotic, the whole antibiotic thing is like if it goes through USDA, you're going to be fine. Yeah.

It ain't going out to the market. So the funny thing about this is I think it was really just instead of, you know, I think it was a market employee probably for other companies out there to be like, hey, let's say we're grass fed and we have no antibiotics because then people are going to want to buy us and we can make it more expensive. So although you may still, you may do all those things. Now, here's my thing. I do believe that regardless of the antibiotics or whatever else, I do think, though, that if you can find ranchers like he does, I mean, if you look at Sean's either Instagram or wherever, wherever he posts his pictures,

and I was curious why Sean wasn't posted on YouTube, but it's because he's suspended. But if you look at his steaks, he's got those tomahawk steaks, they're freaking massive. I'm talking about these things are huge, and he eats these. And he had an egg, too. That was his dinner. Yeah.

But these tomahawk steaks are, they have this giant bone, like a... Yeah, I know. It's almost like when you go there. Where do we see those at, by the way? Renaissance fair, and they have these big Tomahawk steaks, and they had the big turkey steak things. Yeah. It's kind of like that. It's kind of like, I want to get this.

Oh, yeah. I don't remember where it was. I think it was Costco. Was it Costco? I don't know. Don't say Costco. We're not sponsored them. We're not going to give them.

Don't get a Costco unless they sponsor us. It was somewhere because I remember and it was really expensive. Yeah, well, I mean, it wasn't, but I mean. It was like $40 for two of them or something. But like tonight we got two stakes from a local grocery store, right? Yeah. And I looked at the price per pound on a ribeye or whatever and it was like ridiculous. I mean, it was ridiculous because I think it was like $10, $12 a pound, right?

And so I was like, damn. And at Costco, it was like $4 a pound. Yeah, but the thing with Costco is you got to buy a bunch. Well, it's not a bunch. I mean, but that's still $4 a pound. You're going to spend at least $50 on all the meat, and you can't eat all that meat in one night if it's two of you. And the thing that Chad and I don't like,

or at least I don't like, I don't like frozen meat. No, I don't want it. It doesn't taste the same. No, I don't really want frozen meat. I want fresh meat. Yeah. But I don't know. And I wanted his depending on COVID and the COVID-19 and the vaccine thing.

I know, Sean, he's one of those that, On YouTube, he'll call out, you know, he calls out what he sees. And that's why I respect him and, you know, especially with his background and his history. And, I mean, he's a hero, really. I mean, he operated on over 600 of our soldiers, some of the most horrific injuries from Afghanistan, which is crazy. And I, if we had more time, I'd like to, like, ask him. Yeah, talk about that. Yeah.

Well, we'll probably bring him back on. but yeah I you know guys so here's here's my consensus of it you know is is the carnivore diet good I think okay I go back to what he says and this is and this is you know it pretty much helps anybody helps anybody what except for some well no I mean but the thing is it's like he said I mean you look at people the the Eskimos you look at people in sub-Saharan Africa you look at people in all these places that do not have luxury of grocery stores and breads and stuff like this. Right.

These people for the most part, and even Mediterranean's, for example, even though they eat, the thing is I always thought Mediterranean's lived for a long time because of fish. And I don't actually think it's really the fish. I think it's because they mostly eat meaty things. Most of the things they eat are meat-based. Yeah, and it just so happens that they have more fish than, you know. Yeah, in Alaskan land animals. Eskimos and stuff, they only mostly eat meat.

I mean, that's all they eat. And they live, they have some of the longest lifespans. Well, I'm sure they eat salmon. No, I doubt it because it's mostly in the ice. But I don't know. I don't know. I mean, they do eat some fish. But what I'm saying is, is that, you know, these meat-based diets and this, you know, in these places, they have no other way to eat anything else.

I mean, they live long lives, like Sean said. They mostly are predominantly. a lot of disease-free. And I honestly think, you know, probably a lot of what's given us cancers and all this stuff is probably everything else we're eating. I'm talking about the sugars. I mean, we know for a fact that sugar and glucose feeds cancer. We know that.

We know the estrogen feeds cancer, which is my mom was on estrogen pills for a long time, and she got cancer. And this was an estrogen-fueled cancer that she got. Yeah, and they're like, you have to stop it right now. But she would have like hot flashes without it. Yeah, she would have crazy and she still does. But, you know, I think at the end of the day, if you could probably get on a meat-based diet to where you pretended like,

just say you woke up tomorrow and pretended like you're in the old age days, right? And unless you can dream up somehow that you were going to go out there and make a bread, well, you're not eating it that day. Exactly. It kind of goes to the caveman diet, which is paleo. Yeah, but yeah, but. Paleo, they allow, you know, potatoes. But who the hell was growing potatoes back in the caveman days?

Well, it's anything that you can eat on land or anything you can grow on land is paleo. Yeah, but I mean, I guess. I mean, I get it. But they don't believe in like legumes, green beans, anything like that. Nothing. Well, I swear to God. And those are very high in like carbs. I swear to you guys, people with IBS and all.

I mean, I basically have all those things. But I'm telling you, I used to be able to eat lettuce. and I used to be able to eat vegetables and stuff, but I can't now. Mm-mm. I mean, it screws my stomach. And I have to be honest, like, when I eat stuff like that, too, I see, like, he brought up a really good point that, you know.

Yeah, it's like, if you see it, if you see it in the total, it's probably. It's not digestive. It's not digesting, which, by the way, if it's not digesting, you're not getting any benefit off that whatsoever. I mean, you're really not. And you know what the funny thing is, he talked about steak gets, digested in your upper digestive tract. Now, by the way, when I have diverticulitis and when I have this pain, which is, by the way,

diverticular pain is like someone stabbing you in the stomach, but it's stabbing you in a lower part of my stomach. It's my colon. I mostly have all of my things in my colon. Well, if meat is digested in your upper, then I would probably never have issues. Yeah. And you've noticed, like, just like, God, my stomach felt great. And we had steak.

It did today. Yeah. And we're going to eat steak tonight as soon as we get done here, which is going to be in just like five seconds. And steak is my very, very, very favorite, as long as Chad doesn't season it too much. Oh, my God, whatever. I don't like a lot of seasoning. Anyways.

I'm like a real cave girl, no seasoning. But I don't know, man. You guys should definitely look at Rivera, the carnivore diet. Look that stuff up. And it does. I think it really does. And it can reverse, like, health issues. Yeah, and I'll see, and I'll see, guys, if I can.

get a some kind of code you know maybe it can help us out a little bit and if he if you guys join if you guys want to join and you can get a discount some way um i'll look at that we'll let you know on the next podcast yeah the next podcast i'll reach out to sean and see if we can do something like that uh because i'm probably going to join it too i mean he's going to give me a code to join for discount also um because i i think i do you know i don't know i want to do something different and there's so many things i can't eat now And it's not just me with my stomach. It's just if it's doing that to me and all that,

it's probably doing that to everybody just in a different way. Exactly. And like he said, every case is different. You know, and it's case by case, but the majority of the time people benefit from this diet. Yeah, most of the time. Yeah, I mean, it's just like. He said you've got to watch for some things, but, you know. Yeah, I mean, and most things that, you know, if you're just eating a strictly meat diet,

and I didn't ask him about this, but I would assume you can supplement with anything. I mean, I mean, I take quercetin, which is basically everything that they want you to eat plants for. You know, Quirston, the benefits of querson is literally, or the benefits of vegetables is what is Quirceton, right? I mean, the reason they tell you to eat blueberries and this and that are literally what is in quentin. Yeah, but it's like times a thousand. Yeah. There's no way you could even eat that many vegetables or plants in a day. So if you take a queersten, it gives you all those benefits.

And the same thing with other vitamins. I mean, you know, like certain, you don't have to worry about zinc too much on this diet because, I mean, meat. Oh, yeah, you're going to be full of zinc. Yeah. Yeah. But like just certain things that you might get from vegetables and stuff. Antoxins, vitamins, different vitamins that you may not get from meat alone. Those are the things you'd probably have to look out for.

But if you, you know, if you're a part of Rivera, I'm sure they cover all that and deal with that. And, you know, there are times, like he said. you know, you're not going to completely be on that. And if you want to add other things, you know, it's okay to add them. And that was one question I wanted to ask him is like, what cheese is are good because I love cheese. Yeah, I do too. I do too. Well, we're going to end this podcast here, guys.

We hope that you got some benefit to this. I did. Yeah, I did too. And, you know, it's like there's diets everywhere nowadays. I mean, everywhere you look, there's freaking diets. And no one knows anything. But what I can tell you is that everybody I've ever talked to that has been on either keto or a only meat diet has had amazing results, especially losing weight-wise. I mean, if you're someone out there that needs to lose weight, I would probably say that carnivore slash keto is probably the way to go.

And probably if I had to just think based on both, I would almost say carnivore. Because, you know, there's been many studies over the past 10 years that I've talked about. There was a guy that ate pizza only diet. I know it sounds crazy. But it's like his body got so used to on pizza only. It kicked out so many of the other things he was eating that he actually lost weight on it. And I'm not saying go eat a pizza diet only or pizza only diet. And what I think you're talking about too is there one dude that we watched and it was really crazy.

This guy ate one time. And I wanted to ask Sean about this too because I know he's big into fasting. Yeah. And intermediate eating or whatever. But this one guy that we watched, do you remember? Yeah, yeah. It was a dude that ate one time a night. He would eat anything you want.

At, like, midnight. Eat pizzas. Like humongous pizzas, cheeseburgers, everything. But I still, I mean, I get it. I just don't think that's healthy then. Yeah, I don't either. I think maybe it might show you some kind of benefit just from the fasting aspect. Yeah.

But I think long term, I don't know. I don't think that's good for you. Yeah, I don't either. Who knows? Who knows? Guys, we're going to end it with our favorite group. We had this last podcast. We'll end it with this.

We love Laney. But guys, thank you so much for listening. And hey, look, let us know. Let us know. Send us a message on Facebook or whatever if you guys are thinking about the carnivore diet. Or if you're on it. Or if you're on it or been on keto or whatever. Yeah, have you been on keto or anything.

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