Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Piers Morgan Nick Fuentes Interview Breakdown & Reaction

Episode Date: December 9, 2025

Hello and welcome to Investigator's podcast. I'm your host, Chad, alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. Tonight's episode looks at the showdown between Pierce Morgan and Nick Flintez that just dropped today and what really it represents. On the surface is a tough interview. Peers Morgan pressing hard, Nick Quintes pushing back, but underneath is the real fight the one playing out across the entire culture. The battle between free speech absolutist and those who believe certain voices should be

challenge limited or pushed out of the conversation completely. Now, this interview puts that tension on full display. Is Morgan exposing someone who deserves to be questioned? Or is he a part of the media machine that tries to silence anyone outside of his lane? Is Fuentes standing for open expression or hiding behind it? We are not taking sides tonight. We are calling it as we see it and asking the same question the country is wrestling with. Who is right here?

Who end up shaping the future of public debate? Guys, welcome to the show. It is December 8, 2025. The name of this song is too old. for puppy love by Snake City. And I got to say, I got some heartburn right now. I'm literally, okay, we ate Burger King today. And I am tasting the chemicals that make it appear to be on a grill, even though some

people have said they actually do cooking on the grill. But I do think they actually paint on the lines of their burgers. I'm not 100% sure. But it also doesn't help when you get two double cheese burgers and the chicken fries, Chad. Yeah, and large fry and drink and barbecue sauce. and all the other stuff. I was pretty hungry today. I haven't eaten a ton the past couple days.

But what I will say, no matter what the health consequences are of my Burger King visit today, I did at the very least. When I pulled up to the first window, they gave me a King crown. And I, that's really the first time in a very long time I've ever been given a King crown and Burger King.

And I think they should be doing that. Yeah. And then you gave it to me and said, it's the Queen Crown. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. Yes. So, you know, don't ever say I have not done anything for you.

I did give you the Burger Queen Crown. Okay. But guys, this podcast episode tonight, we're going to be breaking down the Nick Fuentes Pears Morgan interview because Pears Morgan has been pushing this pretty hard, especially over the past week. A lot of people have called out Pierce Morgan saying that I can't believe that you would platform someone like Nick Fentez, this Holocaust denier or sympathizer, this person that hates Jews and black people and women and basically everyone but white or himself or the groopers. And obviously we've talked a lot about Nick Fentz. on this show. We played multiple clips of Nick Quintes on the show. He is someone that he, if anybody, is challenging free speech. He is definitely the one that is challenging the absolutist primacy of free speech. And even when people like Stephen Crowder just recently interviewed Nick Quintez and Tucker Carlson, they all pretty much got backlash. But the interesting thing was people like Stephen Crowder did not get hated on as much as Tucker Carlson did, nor will appears Morgan because they are more a part of, I believe, the media machine than someone like, say, Tucker Carlson.

Tucker Carlson is an outcast right now. He is someone that is saying the wrong things and a lot of the powerful people are very upset. It's the same exact reason that if Candace Owens for some reason didn't actually hate Nick Fuentes right now and Nick Fondes didn't hate Candace Owens, then people would hate Candace Owens a lot more than they do right now. But didn't you find it was interesting that Ian Carroll came out and said? said, hey, Nick, why aren't you on our team? We're talking about the same stuff that you talk about. Yeah. We're talking about anti-Israel.

Why aren't you joining us? And he had a great response for Ian Carroll. Yeah, and we're actually going to play that before we even get into the breakdown of the Pierce Morgan, Nick Fuentes, interview. Now, what I will say is, obviously, it is Pierce Morgan uncensored. So some of the clips that Pierce Morgan plays, some of the things that Nick Fentis has said in the past may be disturbing to some of you. maybe if you have kids or whatever you don't want to hear some of the things maybe nick quintess says

just to let you know once we get to the peers Morgan aspect of that it will likely have some of that in there so just keep that in mind but we're going to in just a moment get to some of the recent talk right obviously we talked about this culture war and i think that we really are at a precipice of who is going to win out is it going to be the mainstream media is it going to be the same elites that really do control the media and how much are they going to try to push back and fight, uh, fight against all of the independent media voices like Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens and the like. And, and, you know, even a lot of people are saying, I think, because of how hardcore Candace is Owen, Candice Owens is going against turning point USA or about Charlie Kirk or all this stuff. And even Tucker Carlson, you know,

calling out, you know, stuff that a lot of us maybe think, but mainstream media would never talk about. Like, is this a ploy to really cancel independent voices? Like, Are there actual influencers out there that are either being paid or influenced to go so hardcore on one side to make independent influencers non-credible? Or maybe to give the mainstream media or the deep state or the government a better reason to cancel them. And so I can't think of probably anybody that would be a better example. If you really wanted to try to push back against free speech, it would be someone like

Nick Fuentes. In the United Kingdom, people can say a quarter of... the things that Nick Fuentes says, and they are getting arrested right now. Yeah, it was interesting when Pierce Morgan and Tucker Carlson had their interview together. You know, it was almost like Tucker was baiting him. He's like, say the word, say fat. You can't because you'll go to jail. Yeah. It was so funny, but he was just so baiting and baiting and baiting and he said the words over and over Tucker did because he knows he can and he's not going to go to jail, but he knows if Pierce Morgan says anything like that, he's going to jail because of what his country stands for.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, he was really kind of pushing on, you know, Pierce Morgan in that interview pretty hard. And he was just kind of making a point. Although, you know, when Pierce Morgan says, why do you not say the N word then, right? You can say that word, but you won't say the N word. And he wouldn't say it, right? Yeah. And so it's like, well, I just don't really feel like you need to say that word.

But it's like, you know, to some people, the F word, the Fag word is just as detrimental as the N word, right? So it is a very interesting conversation and we're going to try to break it down as much as possible. And in the end, we're going to say like, who won this? Like who's more right here? And then hopefully we can add some context to a lot of what Nick Fuentes is saying. Now, what I do want to go ahead and say is like I've told all of you guys for over the past, I don't know, probably year though.

I've been doing a ton of reading. I took like a month break there for a while. And I'm just trying to read everything I possibly can because I want to know what. my actual stance is, right? It's so easy to have an opinion and to have a stance on something being uneducated about certain things, right? Or just hearing what other people say about certain things. And I think that in this media scape and environment right now, I think that we have to do

our very best to educate ourselves and not educate ourselves necessarily through influencers that have opinions that a lot of these people haven't even read things, even historical battles or historical premises to where it would and actually potentially lead to a conclusion of what we're dealing with today. This is what I've been desperately trying to do over the past year is just trying to say, well, has stuff like this ever happened before? If it did, like, what did it mean? What was the outcome?

Because oftentimes we can look at history and kind of come to a conclusion of likely where that's going to lead in the future. And I think that that's why I'm so stuck on not just the biblical stuff, but also. so historical stuff and how both of those things are so closely related and tied in. And so when some of the things I heard Nick Fuentes saying and even some of the ways I have talked about reacted to or reacted to even certain political subjects, news stories, all of this stuff, some of that has changed in my mind based on what I have learned. And some of it has gotten stronger.

And that's going to be a very interesting thing for me going forward is trying to figure out how to best explain certain things, but I'm at least, I think, better equipped to try to give my absolute best opinion based on what I have read, what I have studied, and what I've learned. And it's interesting. And I say interesting all the time. Why do I say that? That's okay. It's curious to me that history often repeats itself.

Yeah, absolutely. And that's what I'm coming to find in your reading. And when you tell me about what you read, because I am. not one that can do that. I'm totally ADHD and I'm dyslexic. And it's very hard for me to do that, but I need to do better. But it is very curious to me that history does repeat itself. Yeah, it does.

And, you know, it's also very weird that we can't often learn lessons even though it's happened many, many times in the past. And so, you know, there's even things biblically, for example, that I thought I 100% knew, like up until literally a month ago, that it has completely blown my mind. from scholars and from theologians and especially just people that have highly dissected this. They've proven it beyond question to me about certain things. And so I'm excited about learning all this stuff. But it also gives me a new outlook when I do hear stuff from people like Nick Fuentes or

Pierce Morgan, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Donald Trump, Joe Biden, whoever it is, I have a better lens to look through now. I'm a little smarter on certain things. and I know how to identify certain things. And I hope that all of you guys do your very best to go out and research and educate yourselves as well. So before we get into this podcast, because it's going to be a little bit of a long episode. And I know a lot of you always send us messages saying, hey, we would love a lot more content

or we would love longer episodes. This may be one of those. So grab a drink. But I don't know, you truck drivers, you can't grab a drink like we're talking about. You can get a coffee. Yeah, you can get a coffee. You can enjoy the show, hang out with us. We're going to break all this down for you the best we possibly can.

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We got two chapters ago. And for some reason, it's just really hard to sit down and finish the two chapters. It's almost like, you know, when you have the ending of something and it's the end and you have nothing else to look forward to maybe. Yeah. That's maybe why I'm prolonging the last two chapters. yeah, we have two chapters to go and we are pretty excited about it. And I hope the book, you know, has a very good future. Yeah, I think it will. And, and it also just want to talk

about some else. I think I'd mentioned on the last episode, but, you know, this is technically a truth podcast, conspiracy podcast, but I also understand that all of you are not Christians, all of you are not Bible believers, all you don't want to hear certain stuff about biblical stuff or Jesus or whatever that I read. So I will be also starting a podcast where I strictly talk about my faith and just kind of my journey and biblical stuff, historical stuff. I'm going to do a podcast on that. So I can kind of separate that.

I'll obviously promote it on this show to where if you guys want to go and actually listen to stuff like that for an hour, you can go there and listen to it. And then I also want to write a book. I think one of the things I really want to write to begin with is about Christian persecution post-Jesus. And I think that there's a lot of things that we're battling with today. and especially culture-wise that people were battling with then. And I think it also answers a lot of questions.

If I can do the book correctly, if I can tell the true stories, and really just show people like how Christians have really truly been persecuted post-Jesus. You know, obviously Jesus was one of the first. He was the first Christian, I guess you can say the first, he wasn't a Christian, but he made Christianity. He was the reason for Christianity. And because of all the followers of, you know, post-Jesus, how much they were persecuted,

and how much many Christians are still being persecuted. That's what I want to write about. I want everybody to realize and understand how brutal that was. And so I'll be writing about that. But anyways, without further ado, before we even get into the Pierce Morgan interview with Nick Fuentes, I did as Sherry talked about. I wanted to play briefly.

This was the Ian Carroll Fuentes, I guess, back and forth. Now, Ian Carroll, probably three years ago we had had Ian Carroll on our show three, four, five times. I don't know what it was. He was a friend of ours. And it was interesting

because he kind of just ghosted us after a certain time frame, I guess you can say. I've wondered and thought and Sherry's done the same thing. It's like once he kind of realized Sherry was from a Jewish kind of household descent

or family was Jewish. That's kind of when he was just like, peace out. I'm done with you guys. I'm not even going to entertain that. That's kind of the way we thought it was. Although, yes, obviously, I've always questioned or pushed back on, you know, anybody that's followed this show for any amount of time would know that we've always had these deep conversations

about that. And we obviously have those off topic. But a lot of people have also said, like Ian Carroll's brilliant, but like is he just too stuck in this anti-Israel thing? Is he making it worse because it's like, is that he blames Israel for everything, right? So obviously, Nick Fuentes on the other side has been an anti-Israel. Israel kind of almost anti-Jew, but it's not just anti-Jew, kind of like anti-everything, but himself and whites, I guess you can say, for a very long time. Now, you may not necessarily

agree with that, especially if you've watched Nick Fuendez for a while, but Nick Fuentes does kind of play double agent, you know, on one episode or one podcast or one thing, he won't sound as bad. But then on other stuff, it's like, holy shit. Like, what are you doing here? It's kind of like Jesse Lee Peterson. Kind of. But I think he's, I think he's very coordinated and how and why and what he says when he says it. I think that he is intentionally confusing people. I think that he can go so far on one thing and then kind of push back and pull back on another to kind of make people question like, well, what is your actual true beliefs?

Like, are you really this racist against just everybody but yourself? Or is there truth in some of the things you say? And I think it's, I think there is. I think there's truth in some of the things Nick Pwintess says. Yeah, I agree. I think he's important in the comment. conversation of free speech absolutist. I think that you can't cancel people like Nick Fuentes because there was a reason why Rome did not necessarily want to continue to kill apostles and in all this stuff

because as people started to realize that when you killed them and there was a public spectacle, they became martyrs, just like Charlie Kirk became a martyr. And so when you cancel people, it kind of does the same thing. People are like, well, why would they cancel him? Like, we must follow what he says. We must research every single thing he says. And then because the guy, government or because the system canceled this person, that makes the population want to follow and believe this person even more because what we have to understand is that number one, government and media is that the biggest distrust that we've ever been in. And so when you cancel people, you try to oppress people in that way, no matter what they're

saying, by the way, it makes more people look to them. It gives them more recognition and it makes more people believe maybe what they're saying is true versus what the mainstream narrative is saying is true. So this was the actual post that Ian Carroll had posted on or not post, but he had actually talked about this on a live stream. We'll play this first. And then this was Nick Fuentes' response. And we'll play that second.

Here is Ian Carroll what he had to say about Nick Fuentes. Where are you with Candace Owens and I, especially about Charlie Kirk and Israel and all this other stuff? Here you go. The Israel guy. You're our guy, bro. And we are now well into the moment with Israel, with TPSA, with Candice, with the Trump government, with everything. And what's going on, man?

Where are you at, Nick? Like, yeah, Nick is still doing his thing. He's still running his show. He's still being critical of Israel. But he's also doing the podcast circuit basically. running everything he can against Candace and against actual, like factual information. I could understand if Nick was skeptical of Candace's sources, but Nick is straight up, like, not here, not, not there for the conversation about Israel and the way I think a lot of us expect.

And the way I think a lot of us were ready for. It's like arriving on the battlefield and your general is always. hanging out with Stephen Crowder. Like you're supposed to be our guy, bro. This is your moment. This is your moment on so many levels, dude. Where are you? You're on Stephen Crowder disavowing the people that are actually out here taking on Israel,

taking on the deep state, taking on the whole thing. And you're over here with Crowder. With Crowder. And we're going to get into all of these different. elements throughout this show. And like, the world is not about picking sides. But sometimes when you look at the sides of an issue, it tells you a lot about the issue. And it tells you a lot about what's what, like, what, how if you are thinking about a thing in a way that makes you arrive at the same conclusion as Tim Poole and as Stephen Crowder and as Rabbi Shmooley and as all these other people.

And to be clear, I'm not saying that Nick is the same as Rabbi Shmouli. And I'm, okay, I'm just saying, how are you winding up at the conclusion of these guys? With all that you know, with all that you've called out, with your deep understanding of how Jewish donors control things, with your deep understanding of the history of Mossad and of the CIA, you don't even think there's a possibility, not even a chance. And this is supposed to be your moment. This is supposed to be your rise. You're on the generational run, bro.

And you have generationally run right to Stephen Crowder's show to hang out with the Fed Slop narrative for like kind of a facetious take on it. It's very confusing to a lot of us. And it's a bummer because I genuinely like you being here. I genuinely like that you challenge the conversation and I'm genuinely impressed by what you've done with your platform and your messaging over the years. But like, I think a lot of creators right now are feeling the way I'm feeling and are just afraid to say it

because we all know how the Groypers are. And we all know the Nick is good at holding a grudge. And that's cool. If Nick wants to hold a grudge, that's fine. I'm not stressed. But I'm just genuinely like, bro, this is your moment. All right. There is Ian Carroll.

what he said that kind of got Nick Fuentes all fired up. Right. And the interesting thing I think about Ian Carroll with this and is like, why, why are you trying to get Nick Fuentes on your side? Is it because of your deep, valued religious beliefs as a Christian, Ian Carroll? Because I don't think that that's the case. And many of you might be like, wait, what are you talking about? Well, because like, I see certain aspects as a Christian, especially thinking about throughout history between the battle between the Jewish people and Christianity. I see that concept of it. I also understand the concept of, you know,

how Ian Carroll has called out and talked about the kind of control aspect or the world control as Ian Carroll talks about as far as Israel, the state of Israel, a lot of the people that are in control of a lot of the elite structures, you know, are Jewish, you know, Lord Rothschild, you know, all of these various people, I understand that aspect of it, right? But the reality is like, it seems like the battle against Israel because of, I don't know, because of their influence, I guess, on American politics and all that stuff is displaced a little bit, only based on the fact that Ian Carroll, number one, was a liberal before he ever started to ever

vote for Trump or whatever. He was actually RFK, bro. Yes. And before that, I don't even know. I think maybe he was Bernie, if I'm not mistaken. Yes, he was. He was Bernie before JFK. Yeah. So like obviously, obviously nothing that he is coming from.

Nowhere he's coming from is from a Christian standpoint, from a biblical standpoint. He's coming at it from his own opinion and worldviews based on what's going on today, which is fine. And there's a lot of people doing it. I've done that for a long time. And as I've said, like the more you start to understand and read and kind of get a historical context on things that maybe people are battling with today, this is not new, guys. like if you think the battle between the west and yes Israel is the east but the west and the

east and especially Christians or Jews is new this has been going on since since after Jesus like literally since and right before Jesus like as Jesus was was doing all these miracles and proclaiming that he was a son of God this is when the battle of Jesus followers began with the Jews period and it continued it continued even after the fact when the Jews were continually trying to hand over the Christians to Rome to be executed and murdered. And so this has been going on for a very long time. This is not something new this happened. And, you know, obviously Rome used to be, you know, Rome was like the big new world order.

Rome was the Antichrist, in my opinion. And I'm going to talk about that in the new podcast. But Rome and the leaders of Rome, Julius Caesar and his lineage up until Nero, Caesar and even after that, they were kind of doing Satan's work on earth. And a large part of this and a large part of the Jewish divide actually besides Jesus was the Romans. The Romans, a lot of people believe that the Bible continually talked about the Rome as being the Satan. They were the Antichrist, Julius Caesar and all of the rulers back then used to proclaim themselves to be God. So there's been divide between Christians and Jews since Jesus.

But I'm going to have to take Ian's defense for just a second. Is he going after Israel because of the religious beliefs? And I don't even think he is religious at all because when you go on to his ex-account, you know, he does post anything from transsexual or whatever you trans, whatever you call. Yeah, what a trans. Yeah, trans people. He posts pro-trans stuff. He does a lot of things that are more on the Democrat side than the Republican.

and when he's going after Nick Fuentes, is he going after him because of the religious belief or because of the Israel side? Because in my opinion, the reason why Nick Fuentes does not like Candice is because he still holds a grudge of their interview that they had together. Yeah, absolutely. And I think that if any of you have not listened to it, you need to go back and listen to the Candace Nick Fuentes interview because she did go off on him about him being 26 years old. not married and not, you know, having this family belief and having kids. That's just not in his cards at this time in his life. And I get that. And I don't think that she should have gone off on him because he's not married at 26 years old.

Well, she tried to belittle him, right? And she basically tried to act like he didn't know what the hell he was talking about because he does have a family, does have kids. You don't even really know who he is because the only way you really know who you are is with a family or kids, which is not necessarily true whatsoever. I mean, there's going to be a lot of people going forward in this. generation that has no kids, has no wife. And to be honest, it's hard, it's going to be hard for men that are single right now to find a wife, to find a good wife. You know, I've been, I've been talking with a friend that's going through a divorce right now. And I won't mention names, obviously, but going through a divorce because something that she did, you know, she left the marriage.

She went and cheated. She did all these horrific things to leave him like high and dry, completely screwed mentally for sure. And then, you know, when you devote like nine years of your life to someone to where you are a good husband and you do your very best to try to be a good husband and then that woman screws you it's kind of like you know going out in the world again how are you going to trust women again like are there a lot of women out there for you that is going to be loyal that's going to be looking for a good man there's a lot of men that just do not believe that's the case anymore a lot of men are actually very i guess what you can say um not angry but like just kind of, I guess, what's the word, resent, resentful.

Yeah, well, this whole thing, you know, in the last four years, it was all against white males in America. Absolutely. That's what everyone was going against for four years, especially when Biden was in administration. And I think that's the problem with these white males now. They do feel resentment towards how people looked at them. And women kind of look at white men as disposable now, right? So it's like a lot of women say, well, the only way I'm going to date you or, or measure your value is based on how much money you make, what you can do for me, you know, make sure that I don't have to work or don't have to do anything.

Like, not only work, but like also I don't want to take care of kids. I don't want to do any of that stuff. I just want you to give me all your money. Well, I mean, I'm not saying all women are like that. That's not what I'm saying. But it just seems like this culture has kind of built up that mindset in women. And it's not just women. I mean, there are guys that are screwed up for absolute sure.

I mean, 100%. It's on both sides. And the culture has created that. You've got a lot of beta males. You've got a lot of women that feel like that they're looking for the men, although they're turning men into betas. So it's like going to be really hard for them to find the people they're looking for. And it's like this repeated culture.

And, you know, and then also the abortion thing to where, you know, even when I go back historically, like especially in Roman times, they were really big on abortion, right? And this was something that God obviously did not like during. Roman times because they were like, how are we ever going to, you know, expand our generational wealth and our belief and our spiritual values? Or even our genes, which is why- Just expand who we are as people. Yeah, which is why Christians were like, no, we don't believe in abortion because like we, you know, especially the amount of Christians that died and were persecuted because of their belief, there's like, well, we got to have more kids. And on the other side,

they're like, no, we need abortions, especially people that don't agree with what we believe, right? And so we want to promote this. And so really some of the first, I guess you can say population control list was Rome. And one of the first kind of tales of an antichrist demonic society is trying to kill off the newborn from the children. Yeah. But it was them trying to kill off the people. They weren't a lot of these women, you know, they were going to kill the first newborn boy, baby in each family or whatever. They had to hide some of the babies too.

Yeah. You know. Yeah, it's crazy. So anyways, with that being said, Ian Carroll talks. talked about that this is what nick funtis had to respond and then we'll get to the peers morgan nick fuentes interview and listen i i'm we're going to try our very best as as we go through all of us we're just going to say like what our opinions and beliefs and thoughts are on what everybody says like who do we think's right who do we think's you know wrong here um are they being racist

are they not is should you follow something that nick flintz says is it factual what nick fintz says especially in the peers morgan interview but anyways nick is is responding here to Ian Carroll in that video we just listened to here. I saw Ian Carroll came out today on a live stream pleading with me to join in on the conspiracy. Ian Carroll, the conspiracy theorist, he's making videos about the conspiracy behind Red Lobster, the conspiracy behind Applebee's, the conspiracy behind Burger King. He does a live stream tonight and says, where are you, Nick? we're all aligned on this against the Jews and you are agreeing with Crowder and Tim Poole and

everybody else. We need you. Why are you with them? And I would say with Ian Carroll, where's the evidence? What even is that? Everything other than evidence. They're going to say, well, Israel kills everybody else. Okay, people die all the time, actually. People die all the time and there are a lot of school shootings and assassinations. This stuff happens with regularity. Was Israel behind Luigi Mangione? Why or why not? Was Israel behind the school shooting in Colorado that happened on the same day?

Why or why not? Was Israel behind the shooting of Trump? Why or why not? I don't know if any of those people blamed Israel for the shooting of Trump. Was Israel behind the Las Vegas? shooting? Why or why not? Because the heuristic seems to be Israel is behind literally everything, literally everything. Not most things, not things we can demonstrate with evidence. No, they're behind literally everything. And if they're behind literally everything in the past,

then it's safe to assume they're behind literally everything in the future. And that is ridiculous. That doesn't make any sense. Why? Charlie Kirk was Israel? Israel's top guy. I don't know how much more clear you can make it. And here's a perfect example. Hey, Ian Carroll, why did you on September 7th of this year tweet at Charlie Kirk, you're working for the Jews to kill Jesus? On September 7th, 2025, you tweeted that Charlie Kirk is working for the Jews that killed Jesus. on September 11th, you were absolutely certain that Israel killed him because he was this close to telling the truth. And he died for it. What changed in those four days exactly? What irrefutable proof did you get in those four days? On September 7th, you said Charlie Kirk is working for the Jews that

killed Jesus. On September 11th, the day after he was killed, you were certain beyond a shadow of a doubt that Israel killed him to silence him. How does that even happen? Before we had a suspect, before we knew any of the facts, any of it, you knew for sure they did it. So do you have ESP? Are you omniscient? Do you have telepathy? I don't think so. This is a grift. This is a grift. It is intellectually lazy. It is dishonest. You are making assumptions that you cannot rationally make. And if you want to destroy your credibility, that's fine. If you want to destroy your credibility by blaming Israel for killing the number one Israel defender in America, that is your business. But don't try to rope me into it and guilt me or whatever it is you're trying to do saying, we're all on this side and you're over there. I've been over here, bro.

Where were you? I've been over here. I was at Charlottesville, lest I remind you. Where were you in 2017? Were you at Burning Man? Sorry, were you in some commune in Portland? I was at Charlottesville in 2017. He goes, we're all over here fighting the.

good fight. You and who? You and Candace Owens who was working at Daily Wire last year? You and Candace Owens who was working at Daily Wire. You and Tucker Carlson who was working at Fox News. In 2017, 10 years ago, I was at Charlottesville. In 2019, I led the Groyper War against Charlie Kirk, calling him an Israel shill. It is 2025. Nothing has changed. Nothing has changed. For 13 years from the time Charlie founded Turning Point until today, that organization was owned by Israel and served Israel. And everyone knows that. All right. So there to go.

And that was his response to Ian Carroll. Now, he obviously makes some points here about or against Ian Carroll. And there's some things I agree with. There's some things I do not agree with. Obviously, he says, well, where were you, bro? I've been over here the whole time. where have you been in a commune in Portland because you're a liberal is basically what he's talking about there like were you a part of chaz like were you out there were you out there part of antifa

you know that's that's kind of what nick quintes is getting at there um but as nick quintes does point out that you know ian carroll has made his living his career his following on conspiracy theories and you might be like well uh you guys literally your name is investigator's conspiracy podcast and it is but it's also something that we have battled throughout our podcast days to a lot of listeners that listen to us and they'll send us a lot of people send us stuff that is pretty out there you know um not everything i i look at i look at as much as i can and i'll evaluate it and i'll say look you know this this seems crazy i don't know i haven't looked into it you know because if i don't know about it it's hard for me to say but the reality is yes ian carroll's been one of those people that

try to make conspiracies out of everything. And it's also interesting because I do believe that there's always things and ways that you can make conspiracies out of almost anything, right? Almost anything. And that's why sometimes our podcast has not been conspiratorial enough for people. And we've got a lot of backlash over that. They're like, well, why are you guys not thinking that it's the reptilians, actually, that were controlling Epstein.

And he was actually reptilian. like do you not believe this i don't understand you guys because i've heard this on this telegram channel and i know this to be true right so and then we get backlash on that and and i and i and i think the reality is like you you have to be you have to look at all sides to to really try to figure out like what is the truth and what is not and and and as as nick says here charlie kirk was israel's top guy one of israel's top guy for a very long time he is correct that you know at least for far as I have researched that yes, turning point USA was heavily funded by A-PAC and Israel,

or at the very least, they were heavily funded by Israeli donors. He also talks about, you know, that how Ian Carroll talked about, well, you're working for the Jews that killed Jesus when he literally said that to Charlie Kirk.

Although, as we already talked about, Ian Carroll really, I don't think necessarily cares about Jesus. I don't know. I don't know his spiritual walk, but it doesn't seem like that's been a thing that's kind of forefront to him as his religious beliefs on Jesus and him being a big Christian.

So obviously, him even saying that to Charlie Kirk is just more anti-Israel rather than pro-Christian, right, rather than his beliefs in Jesus versus anti-Israel statements. And so who is right here in this debate? I don't know. You could say that obviously with Candace Owens and everything she's came out about with the investigation into the Charlie Kirk murder that Nick Fuentes is going to say and do anything to go against. against Candice Owens right now, whether he believes it or not to be true. And I will say this right now.

We don't know right now who is. What we do know is who they've arrested. Tyler Robinson is what the government says is who did it. Was there text messages 48 hours before his death that called into question Charlie's belief, his intimidation potentially with at least Jewish donors or Israel or whatever? maybe he was starting to turn and change. And so you can't just discredit those text messages. And the reason why I say you can't, especially considering he died 48 hours later,

you can't discredit him because as Nick Fuentes says here, Charlie Kirk was Israel's top guy for so many years, literally making sure that that conversation based on anti-antisemitism and pro-Israel and Jewish kind of beliefs, right, within the Republican conservative. party. He was a huge wave that was that was really changing the minds and hearts of our youth and making sure that the people that voted in our politicians were aligned potentially, as long as you're making sure that, hey, your Israel values are true here, but also now we're going to, we're going to combine those with conservative views. Like, would it, would it be a

conspiracy that is maybe believable, right? That if they thought that Charlie Kirk was about to turn in a big way, you know, such as bringing on Tucker Carlson, bringing back on Kandasowans, starting to do all this stuff where this huge debate was going to start happening in the country, in this United States or America, on college campuses. And they already knew that like, well, the left is already kind of like anti-Israel, anti-war, anti-this Gaza thing. And I think there were also a lot of paid protesters in a lot of that stuff on college campuses.

I literally think they were paid protesters. And I know this sounds crazy. I think there were paid protesters that literally could give a shit about Hamas, but they wanted to make it look like all college students were anti-Israel, anti-Semitic, to where they could push harder on the anti-Semitic thing. Well, even like on the college campuses, when you saw the protesters, they were not college campus kids. No.

They were not of the age of college students. They were much older. And not only that, I mean, they would bring in people, they would have these little tents set up for pro-socialism. things, all of this stuff. And then obviously, you know, the media just continually highlighted the Hamas headbands and the Hamas flags that people will be flying in the streets or on college campuses. They would highlight like Jewish students that would be, you know, kind of locked away in a room.

And by the way, if all that happened, which I'm sure it did, actually, no matter how it happened, it did. And that's not right. You can't have that shit happening. And no matter what it is, whether it's Christians, Jews, blacks, whites, Asians, for whatever reason you cannot have that happening it doesn't matter right but the question is is like why did it happen what and who was behind all of this and and and and should nick quintess be on the team of ian carroll and kandas owens should should he because i what i'm saying is that i think if you're a

smart nick flintez and and in and realizing and taken into consideration that yes charlie kirk was it seem like, at least according to text messages, turning his belief system a little bit or are starting to push back and maybe this was something big that was about to happen and turn to point USA, could it be a reason that a country would be involved in this? And so, and the only thing I want to say about it is if we think that it's just random trans-democrat ideologies in chat groups that could have turned Tyler Robinson into this killer, and helped him plan all this stuff and all this stuff. So we're saying that's possible, but we're not saying that Israel could be behind it.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I get that. I get what you're saying. But I also think that Nick Fuentes was going after a conspiracy theorist. And what I've come to find in the last seven or eight years is conspiracy theorists are the ones that are actually seeking the truth. And those people that seek those theories and look into them, they're looking for, is this true? or is this false? So I think that Nick is wrong by saying, oh, well, he's just a conspiracy theorist.

Well, no, I think that's a big thing because now you see what's happening. All conspiracy theories, for the most part, have come true. Not all of it. Yeah, but the ones that have come into the spotlight, usually those turn out to be true, right? And actually, guys, I do want to say this. A lot of people have reached out speaking of conspiracy theories and all this stuff. A lot of you have reached out. and said, are you guys going to get Bart Sibrell back on your podcast, especially after his

podcast on Danny Jones when he, when they, when they did the other dude that actually said he was an astronaut or whatever? Yeah, but they kind of, they, I mean, Danny Jones and them did him dirty, though. This is this old man that was on the moon, allegedly at one point in time. And this old man literally had no idea that he was coming to this podcast to debate a anti-moon believer like Bart Sibrell, which is the number one guy. And so he had no idea. So once Bart Sibreel and they started like attacking him, he was like, what the hell is going on?

He had no idea. So that's pretty dirty, right? And so I will probably be bringing on Bart Sibreel because I got to ask him questions about that. And I just want to know what the Burger King conspiracy theory is. I've never heard a Burger King theory. I don't know. I mean, it makes sense. Especially that we went to lunch there today.

It's probably the painted, it's the painted grill marks is maybe what you're Carol is trying to save your life from. I don't know. But either way. So let's go ahead and get into the Pierce Morgan and Nick Fuentes interview. I'm going to play the intro. And then I'm going to play. We're not going to play the entire interview tonight on this show.

I do encourage you guys to go and listen to the entire interview. It's like two hours long. We're going to try to play the most important parts. And the reason why we want to do this is because I want to tell you my opinion on who I thinks right here and and share it the same way and and you guys let us know who you think is right in these certain situations right so we're going to start first with how's with how peers morgan explains nick quintess to his audience and listen pierce morgan is a huge name i mean he's kind of like the tucker carlson in england although i don't know how long he'll be that because he's either

going to be in prison at some point in time if he keeps talking and letting other people talk well he doesn't say the bad words no he doesn't say the bad words but he's still allowing people like Nick Funtas. So what I will say about Pierce Morgan is that I do commend him for the very least platforming the people that the UK government would absolutely put in prison tomorrow. And in most cases, if it wasn't for Pierce Morgan, they would probably have Pierce Morgan in prison. Now, maybe the reason why they're allowing Pierce Morgan to do this is because of the way that their media is going to spin these interviews.

So there's a lot of things in this interview that Pierce Morgan is kind of like gotcha. He tries to do these gotcha things to where he wants to question Nick Fentas. He knows likely what Nick Fentz is going to say. And then the media over there in the UK is likely going to use interviews that Pierce Morgan is talking to people like Tucker Carlson and Nick Fentez and all these others. They're going to use this for pro censorship. Yes. And so that's the reason why I believe Pierce Morgan is still allowed to do these interviews. And I say aloud because they're not free speech in the UK anymore.

And so I think they're using peers Morgan. to try to get a better case for them to censor speech in the United Kingdom. So I wanted to make that very clear. Just the other day, I think it was the UK that just find, I think it was X, like a shit ton of money. And they're about to pull X off of their platforms to where no one in the United Kingdom can use it. Donald Trump will just ask about it today. And Trump said, well, that sounds very serious. He said, Elon has not actually said anything to me about this.

but, you know, it sounds like I don't agree with this, but as soon as I look at this, I will, I will let you know. And he's like, I'm surprised he has not called me to ask for help. So without further ado, here is the Pierce Morgan intro and what he actually says about Nick Fuentes in the introduction. Here you go. You're a New York Times reader, an NPR fan, a daily wire subscriber or an avid consumer of all things, Tucker Carlson. For several months now, there's been no avoiding the subject of Nick Fuentes. And let's be clear, the main reason you're hearing about him is because he's popular.

A large number of people, especially young men, are interested in what he has to say. What that says about our society and our culture is the subject of ferocious debate. For many people, it's a grave indictment of an insidious immorality. For others, he's a product of a culture which has turned on its own and left many young people feeling listless and bitter. He's either a litmus test for right-wing hypocrisy on free speech or a walking-talking manifestation of where the lines. should be drawn. And a frankly preposterous amount of airtime has been spent on debating everything from his ideology to his sexuality and whether anyone should actually talk to him at all. If I were writing a glossary entry on the Streisand effect, I wouldn't put a picture of her next to it.

I would put a picture of Nick Fuentes. They have opted to not do so when it comes to Nazis like Nick Fuentes. Fuentes takes this guy apart brick by brick. It's a full takedown. My concern is that people who are a bit more moderate are deeply alarmed by Nick Fuentes. I was very happy to see that like Nick Fuentes really passed that test with flying colors. That fragmentation is being caused purposefully by a splinter faction of people led by a young man named Nick Fuentes. That's the war. Can you get the beef prices down? Not crazy things that Nick Fuentes or these other loons say on social media. Well, it looks like all these screaming about news.

Nick Fuentes on the internet is finally dying down a little bit. So now we had on this guy, this Fuentes guy, and never challenged him. You should have Nick Fuentes on your show, and you could ask him questions about that. The truth is it doesn't make a lot of sense to spend all this time talking about Nick Fuentes, but not actually to Nick Fuentes. People who say you shouldn't give him a platform overlook the very obvious fact that he already has a platform with his own, which is often bigger than most of the people complaining, and he uses it to speak unchallenged to as many followers.

It's on that basis I've invited him to appear live and uncensored on my platform. And Nick Fuentes joins me now. Nick Fuentes, welcome to Unsensored. Aye, great to be with you. I don't know you. I don't think we've ever met. You can correct me if that's wrong. I know about you.

I know that increasingly people are talking about you in a more mainstream environment. than you may be used to. So for those you know nothing about Nick Fuentes, I want this to be an opportunity to get to the real person. I don't know who that person is, but I do want to use this opportunity to get there. I've seen you talk as we prepared for this in exchanges with people and on your show saying you fear it's going to be very hostile,

it's going to be an ambush, all those kind of things. I don't intend it to be overtly hostile. I don't intend to ambush you. I intend it to be an examination of what you said on the record, an examination of what you believe or what you say you believe, and an examination of what your rising popularity says about the state of the conservative movement in America. So those are my goals from this interview.

What are your goals? Why are you doing it? I thought it'd be interesting. And, you know, you've talked a lot about me on your show over the years. And this is the first time you actually extended the invitation. I think it might be the second, actually. I think we talked about doing it during 824 a few years ago. But you've talked a lot about me with the panel.

And now you've extended the invitation to talk to me. And I think it'd be interesting for me to maybe clarify some positions and maybe get to know you a little better as well. So I'm looking forward to it. There is a belief that you have two personas. There's one that you roll out now for, podcast and for shows like mine, where you come across as reasonable. And then there's your show on Rumble, where you often come across as having,

you know, a very unreasonable view on things. This is what Coleman Hughes said about you. Nick Fuentes knows exactly what he's doing. He is consciously playing this double game as part of a long-term strategy to become popular enough to take the reins of power at, which point he plans to pivot towards the extreme and unpopular policies that he advocates daily on Rumble. So first of all, what is your response to that? Well, first of all, I would say that Coleman Hughes is a propagandist. He works for the free press, which is run by Barry Weiss.

So I think that's, you have to consider the source. And Barry Weiss is a pro-Israel partisan. Free press is just bought out by CBS for $150 million, by Lerner, by Lerner. Mary Ellison or his son David Ellison. And so I think that's coming from a particular point of view. We can't pretend like that's coming from a vacuum or from some fixed position. That's coming from a propaganda outlet that's in favor of Israel. That's first. But second, I would say he is right about the two personas.

And I think that everybody understands this on some level. On my show, I make jokes and I use rhetoric and I'm hyperbolic. because for a long time I had an audience that was small on these like dissident platforms. I was on D-Live for many years. A lot of people don't even know what that is. And so I had a small following and we had sort of like an in-group sense of humor and memes and things like that. And you talk about it one way on a freewheeling live stream when I'm by myself and I'm ranting and we make jokes and we play devil's advocate. We play with different positions.

But then when you sit down in an interview like this one and people ask me a good faith question, what do you actually believe? Well, then I clarify. And I say, well, here I'm not joking. Here I'm not being hyperbolic. I'm not being rhetorical. I'll tell you precisely what I believe. As far as this idea that I'm going to get power and then turn into Hitler, that just

sounds totally insane to me. I'll be honest. It just sounds insane. Do you have aspirations for political power? I want to pause for a second because he's asking him, are you going to be in the political faction at ever or you know at any point in your life and but what's even more i guess telling is like the free press what peers morgan uses as this guy that calls him out they were bought by cbs now we also know that trump forced the sell essentially of cbs and to largely israel or jewish

buyers and cbs became uh you know and i don't probably most people don't realize all that cbs own but is a massive media conglomerate. So when I go back and I say things like, hey, you know, be careful what influencers that you are listening to now. Be careful what influencers on YouTube as you scroll across videos, the ones that are going to be propped up and push to the front, be careful what you listen to because a lot of influencers that we're seeing today, including free press and others, have already been bought out.

They've been bought out by mainstream media platforms. They are then utilizing an influence. to go out and attack the people, and especially in independent media. And I do think that the people right now that are independent, truly independent, the people like Tucker Carlson, the people that are not quite bought out yet, even though there is room for these people to be bought out. Keep in mind, and maybe not by Israel. Maybe it's by someone else because this is how the battle is going to shape up.

You know, you just have to understand. You've got to do your research. Like, who is funding this group? Like, who's funding Stephen Crowder? Where does he get most of his money from? where does the free press get most of their money from where does kendis owens make all of her money from even and i'm not even talking about the money that as you listen to her show she's doing these ad reads i'm talking about like does she make money on the backside and from who

and so i don't know the answer to those questions right now i i truly don't now is there is there a ploy you know obviously the people that are pro-israel uh republicans the stauch republicans like the ted cruises the laura lomers uh all of these people are saying, well, Tucker Carlson is Qatarelson. They're calling him Tucker Katarelson, you know, Qatar. They're basically talking about anybody that criticizes Israel as Qatar or the money from the Middle East outside of Israel, although, you know, that's kind of strange how these people are calling these independent influencers, you know, Qatar influenced.

But yet Trump and this White House goes to Qatar and he goes and meets with these princes and all these people. Like Trump is one of the, I think the only conservative president in history to actually meet with some of these people and make deals with them. I think he's one of the only Republican presidents in history to start trying to bridge the divide, I guess, as they're calling it. Yeah. Well, Trump likes money.

Oh, he does. Absolutely. And he likes money to come to America. Yeah. And he likes royalty. He loves the idea of that. That's kind of why he has set up his entire infrastructure around this. royalty-like environment.

I mean, if you look at the White House right now, he's basically turned everything in the White House into gold and gold-plated and all this stuff. It kind of reminds you a lot of the Qatar, there are the Qatar aspect. Yeah, the Middle East, kings and princes and all this stuff. He's done that in the White House. I mean, regardless of whatever you think about it.

He's building this huge ballroom for, and I don't think it's for himself. You know, there's a lot of people coming out and saying, oh, but why is he building this huge ballroom? well obviously he knows he's not going to have another term but he wants people to remember his name that he built that ball that ballroom for other presidents that come into action yeah well I mean the reality though is is that you know if if Republicans do not win in 2028 or whatever the case is they'll probably just tear it down oh my god would that be terrible or what well I mean spending all that money yeah but it'll happen I guarantee it it would happen and

or at the very least they will take Trump's name off it they will do whatever they can. This is all being set up for a battle. And this is a battle that's happened throughout the history of the world where power structures start to battle. And, you know, as the Bible and historical context, they always explained it is one side was evil and one side was good, right? One side was on the side of God. One side was evil. Unfortunately, right now, it's kind of hard to tell who's who in some ways. I'm just more focused on good versus evil versus Republican and Democrat. So I wanted to point out. I want to get to the next part. Piers Morgan asked Nick Fuentes, if his father's views made him racist. And this was a part that a lot of people are

clipping right now, especially all over social media. And here is what Nick Fuentes had to say. You said this. We're looping. You said this already. You haven't really directly, I think, responded to it, which is whether your father would not take you to certain restaurant chains because he associated them with black Americans. Is that true? Well, see here, if you're in America, say that Olive Garden is not real Italian food. Applebee's TGI Fridays, the stuff is a load of crap. My dad was just a food stop. But no, it's got nothing to do with that. My best friend in first grade was a black guy. We're not, we're not a racist family. So, okay. So how dare you talk about Applebee's? No, I'm kidding. Hey, I actually. Or Olive Garden. But now I don't, I don't like Olive

them. But I do kind of like Applebee's, at least it are Applebee's. And the crazy thing is, I guarantee you there are better Applebee's in this country than the ones that we, the only one we have to go too. Well, and there's a country song about Applebyes. Oh, yeah. I can't remember what his name is, but either way, every time we go to this album is actually pretty good. And the one thing I always think about is like the reason why we do go to some of these places still today is like if you look around like, especially at our town, it's not just our town, but other towns is like you've got a Charlie's going out of business. You have TGA or well, TGI Fridays are going out of business. Ruby Tuesdays. There's, there's even a lot of Applebee's that have been going

not a business. And eventually we're going to be left with nothing. Eventually we'll be left with nowhere to go and nowhere to eat. And even in the places like Hilton Head or places we visit often, you know, to where these places are so expensive to live, but yet they have all of these restaurants, but yet there's nowhere on the island that anyone that works at these restaurants can afford. So eventually they're going to not even be able to hire people to, I guess you can say cater to the people to live on these islands.

And this is becoming a huge problem. But even in this case, it's like, well, the Applebee's are disappearing. The, you know, the Ruby Tuesdays are disappearing. The, oh, Charlie's are disappearing. All these mainstream kind of like, even I believe red lobster, you know, they're starting to go out of business.

They're closing down stores. So it's like at one point in time, we want to criticize these places. But all I'm saying is, is that Applebee's is not that bad nick. Okay. And you're pissing me off. you say that, okay?

Because I do like their mozzarella sticks. That's all I'm saying. And they have great salad. They do. They absolutely do, for sure. So the story, I'm just curious. So when you told that anecdote, which clearly on the face of it is racist, right? You're basically saying your father made racist decisions about where you would go as a family to eat.

Are you saying, well, I'm just going to ask you a question. Are you saying that when you told that story, you didn't mean to infer that he was racist? And do you understand why when somebody like me reads that anecdote for the first time, as I did this week, I reach a different conclusion? Well, I understand what you're doing, which is this sort of making of a murderer. How did he become racist? Well, his father didn't eat in Olive Garden because he said, that's not real Italian food. Hang on. Hang on. Can I? Can I? Can I'm literally reminding you of something you said on your show, which led me to conclude a certain thing. I'm wrong. Tell me.

Yeah, it was said in jest as a humorous anecdote. And now you're trying to spin it into a narrative, which is his parents are racist. He comes from a long line of racist. And I think everybody knows, our parents, my parents are boomers. And these people come, well, you're a boomer, I guess, too. And in a way, right? You were born in a 16. Yeah.

So you're a boomer also. Or maybe you're a Gen Xer, I suppose it's sort of on the cost. But it's a humorous anecdote. These are kind of the attitudes of baby boomers in society. But you're trying to spin it into a narrative. which is you're a product of your environment, your dad's racist because of this joke, now you're a racist, and I don't think that's a fair characterization. Okay.

People can make their own minds up. They can go back and listen to you say it. I mean, the beauty of what I'm going to talk to you about in this interview is that almost all of it is just going to be reminding you what you have said and asking you what you meant. Your position about that story is that it was a joke, okay? I want to come to something else you said. this is where you talk about I want to pause a second

because this is important you know Nick Funtas is talking about here that his father was a boomer right and also keep it in mind Nick Fentz it sounds like did not necessarily grow up in the inner city grew up in the suburbs of Chicago

and a lot of these suburbs around Chicago which is kind of near where Sherry's mom lives you know it's not like they're hurting for money in that area it's not a poor area to where you know you have to go as a white kid you got to go to the black school or or whatever the case is there right and so nick flintez he's still young keep in mind and he's not really had and grown up with a lot of

life experiences so so a lot of kind of his viewpoint the reason why i think peers morgan's asking him this is is your viewpoint based a lot on your father and and your boomer parents like whether they were racist and i i got to say i mean there's a lot of boomers that are still racist to this day and even though they're not as racist as they once used to be able to be right they grew up in an environment where it was a lot more okay to be racist then than it is now you know and you know i i i'll say this like i grew up like through um i guess you can say elementary school and middle school and part like part of my high school uh days uh like one year of my high school days I mean, I grew up around predominant black people, I guess you can say.

I wasn't in a household that was rich. My family struggled just like the black kids and the black families. So I was often with the black kids and the black families. When I had birthday parties, you know, my mom literally made sure that like, you know, because of the black kids and because of what their parents and family ate, she made sure to like, cook what they liked as well, right? So it was like, we grew up with these people, right? And I say these people, they called us those people too.

Like we still knew we were different. Like we still, hey, I'm going to white boy's house. My white boy Chad for his birthday. Right? But that's the way it was. And you know, and whether I'm maybe and I've said this before and I've actually debated some people I used to get to school with. And I mostly those people I debated.

I debated were people that were liberals, not even black people. They were mostly white people that became liberals that tried to say how racist it used to be when we grew up and we went to school. But I can promise you that like when I grew up with my black friends and the people that I hung out with, we weren't racist. We didn't look at each other and hated each other because of our race. Like not at all. Actually, that's how we connected with these people.

And, you know, I just went to a class reunion. Sherry went with me a couple years ago. and you know most of the people or a lot of the people that showed up or black there were some there were some white people as well but it's like we love each other still to this day you know we see each other and we're like because your buddies you don't look at each other because of the color of your skin you grew up together and you I guess you never had that systemic is that the word systemic yeah that racism or whatever yeah even though our even though probably their parents might have been racist or maybe some of our parents

it might have been more rate you know whatever it was but as kids as kids growing up together the the relationships we built and all that stuff that never changed like no matter what has happened since then i and and there's so many of my black friends i grew up with that have heard our podcasts have seen what we do have talked about know that we have been republican more than democrat in the past all this stuff and a lot of those people still and even at the reunion they were like hey bro i see you be liking trump you know but he's i still love you but I don't like Trump, right? And I'm like, no, that's cool, right?

I mean, it's fine. We don't have to like and agree with each other. And, you know, but, and we never have. We've never agreed with everything that we do. We're different people. And not just, you know, not just from one person to the next. We're different culturally. Right.

And I mean, you know, your culture's different than mine. And that's why, like, when you came to my birthday parties, my mom tried to accommodate you. And I'll be honest. Like, I don't really know. Like, they try to accommodate you, Chad? Well, I don't know. I mean, I don't know what, like, I don't know.

like I don't know what I don't know what they would have done because because the reality of that is is like I ate the same shit they did I mean I mean literally I really did I mean that that was how I grew up so it wasn't like I mean there were a few things that like a lot of my friends liked that I'd never really ate or or mess with that much even though my mom and that made them but a lot of that shit just goes back to poor it's not even necessarily I mean a lot of it's not necessarily culture or color it literally has to do it poor right Like, like, what can you afford to cook? Yeah, you were a poor kid. Yeah, I was a poor kid. Yeah, you were. And so it doesn't really matter about, like, race in that, in that term, even though, like, more affluent white people would call it cultural. But it's literally just poor. I mean, and so, you know, and I guess that's my point is like, I think Nick Fuentes kind of doesn't necessarily have the full picture.

Right. Because he's never been in that situation. No, he hasn't. And so when his dad is like, well, I'm not eating olive garb, he's. because that's shit and and Applebee's and I think actually some people like as kids would be begging to go there like oh my God can we please go to Applebee's dude I was I was I was amazed when we got to go to McDonald's bro like you know I was just I was so um or if I got to go to the store of my dad and get like a cow tell I remember that you know the little yeah the caramel

thing so the white thing in them like the best some of the best things my dad ever did for me was bring me cowtails every once in a while I was like hell yeah like I got a cal tell We were more, you know. And I don't think that's necessarily a cultural thing. I mean, I know there are cultural differences with blacks and whites and all that stuff in Indians and Asians. I mean, we know there are differences. But when you grow up in the same town and the same people. But you're like it's more socioeconomic, I guess.

That's what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. If you grew up in the same town, you're not from Africa. Like I didn't come from Russia and you didn't come from Africa. You're like the, but we grew up together in this town. Then the only difference in us is just our skin color. and yes, our parents maybe have cultural differences.

But like what connects us the most is our relationships, whether we're rich or poor, because I think that's what divided more people when I was growing up, is the rich versus the poor. You know, there were bullies that were rich. I mean, most of the bullies in school were rich people, actually. It wasn't the poor people. I mean, there were kids that were poor that lashed out

and were assholes and wanted to fight people and stuff, but they weren't bullies necessarily. Yeah, and there was also poor kids that would see. sell like cigarettes and candy at school. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I remember. So when some of those, some of those same kids that used to sell new ports and all that shit in school. I know.

Well, I didn't sell cigarettes. Oh, okay. No, I, no, no, no. I probably sold candy and some of, I mean, I did some of that. But, like, I knew kids in school that would sell new ports in middle school, like sixth grade, seventh grade. And it was always interesting because, you know, those kids, you know, sometimes those

kids turned out to be in prison for selling other shit when they got out. out of school. But I did try to sell oregano and pretend it was weed one time. Oh, my God, bro. Shit. That will get you killed faster than selling real weed. I think I was like in sixth grade. That's funny.

But I guess my point to this is like Nick Fuentes, in my opinion, is a little sheltered in his worldviews, right? He's sheltered. He's definitely sheltered. And so you have to understand that. and you have to understand it especially considering that he didn't grow up the same era I did I mean I was born in 84 but you know as I grew up and and I was around a lot of these people I have a whole different viewpoint on on on blacks and and just all of that stuff

Nick Prentz has a different viewpoint and and I think it's because of the way that society teaches us to some degree about what we should or shouldn't believe and and in all that stuff although don't get me wrong what I am saying is that some of the things that Nick Fentes is going to say in this interview are factual. And you can't, you can't say that he's wrong about those things. But that doesn't necessarily mean that all of the people that do these things that are, are factual represent all people. It's the same way that you can't say all Jews are bad, all Christians are bad,

all blacks are bad. And sometimes I think that's where Nick's message gets a little lost. Because if you just come off as just strictly racist and you just say something like a blanket statement on blacks or women, then it just makes. you look ignorant. I mean, it really does. And as smart as Nick Fuentes is, that's one of his biggest detriments. And I think that's something that hurts them.

Anyways, let's listen to a little more. Jews, women, and blacks. Let's just take a listen. Always coming up with, no, it's not the Jews. No, it's not women. No, it's not blacks. It's actually really complicated. No, it fucking isn't at all.

Jews are running society. women need to shut the fuck up blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part and we would live in paradise it's that simple okay so you see what he says here right and when i say that he discredits his his smartness his intellect by saying shit like that it does i mean i don't i don't care if you're a free speech absolutist he's allowed to say this by the way he can say this he has this opinion to say this all day long but what i'm trying to tell you is that the only reason that you would say some shit like this is because you've never actually had the opportunity to be around those people that you're talking about and really have a

genuine relationship with these people and realize that, you know, based on what you're seeing on the internet, and this is what one of the, this is what I think part of the problem is with the internet today. Like if you go on X, you see, you know, all the fight videos. It's like all black people fighting. I mean, I mean, literally, like if you go on X, it's just, it's just all the fights, all the fights. and they're kind of pushing this narrative is like, this is black people. And then it's like, well, here's white people.

You know, like the Karen thing or the liberalism of white people, the LGBTQ plus shit. That's the white women. And then I don't really know all the other stereotypes. But then you also have kind of the women stereotypes and all the stuff. Like when he says that, that's not really based on reality. To be honest with you, I don't even. It's based on his reality. It is.

Absolutely. I don't know what it would be like to go to school today. And so let me make that point as well. I don't know what it would be like to go to school today. I really don't. Well, you should try it and go like undercover because you would fit right in, Chad, because you still look like you're 18. Maybe in high school.

I could probably get away with high school. I can maybe get away with high school. But I would still love to know like how like a white person would fit in in a predominantly black school today, right? Or whatever the case is. I don't know. Like would it be the same. And what I would probably tell you is absolutely.

not. It would not be the same. And, you know, if you are one of, say, 20 white people in a black school, you might be in danger today. I mean, you really may be. And the same reason why you may be in danger in that situation is the same reason that people like Nick Fuentes is saying the shit he's saying right now from a white perspective. That's why. And so things have changed a lot since the 80s and the 70s when we were in school and not all of us, but you know what I'm saying. There's a lot. There's a a lot that has changed. And when we ask ourselves about how social media was going to be the detriment of society, I think they were starting to see it.

We're starting to hate people based on these things that we're seeing. And also even the clips, like the fighting stuff and all that stuff, it makes more people want to fight and record it instead of helping someone. It makes people want to fight people for views. It makes people want to say wild shit like Nick Fuentes sometimes says for views. It makes you more popular. So this all creates hate, but it also creates clicks. It also creates more popularity.

And so whereas free speech is absolutely what we must maintain, it is also something that we're going to have to figure out how to deal with. And we're going to have to figure out how to not hate everyone and figure out, like, I wish we could use free speech for good. But unfortunately, it seems like that a lot of people are using it for bad on all sides, whether it's lies manipulation um whether it's hatred whether it's all these things everybody is using it for for bad none of them are using it for good it's just like if you have an alien technology that comes down from another planet uh and it could cure all of cancer or or it could be used

as the dominant weapon to control the earth what do you think humans would use it for they would use it for the dominant weapon to control all of earth they would not use it to to heal your mother or your father or your son that is dying of cancer. That is human nature, unfortunately. And so when we were given a tool, a weapon or a or a technology like social media, we could have used it for good, but instead we used it for a weapon. And I think that's the problem. And that goes back to the repeating of history, even talking about when the watchers were

showing women how to wear makeup, you know, things like that. you know, using the weapons that they created, how humans used those weapons and learned how to use them. They didn't use them for good. They used them for evil. Yeah, the watchers, they were supernatural, right? Instead of using their powers for good to help people, they came down to use their powers for control and evil. Yeah, but humans also used it for evil. Exactly.

You know, well, they taught them to, right? I mean, you know, instead of using these tools and all this knowledge they had for the betterment of humanity, they used it to, to, to, entice wars and to entice hatred and the same exact sexuality when it's not appropriate. Yes. And yeah, absolutely. And so the same concept is basically happening today with social media. Social media is being used as a weapon. And Satan, I believe, is used in social media to divide and conquer.

And I know that sounds crazy, but we're getting very deep. Let's listen to some more of this. Okay. Would you like to clarify what you meant there? That's all true. That's 100% true. Everything I said in that clip is true. Including that blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part?

Yeah. Yes. But all of them? No, for the most part. What does the most part mean? What percentage of American blacks would you like to see in prison? Whatever the percentages of the murderers, I think it's 1 in 20 black men will commit a murder in their lifetime. So maybe let's say that, five percent.

Oh, so you're talking about black people who murder people? Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. But you didn't say that. You just said blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part. You didn't clarify that you were talking about black murderers. Right. Right. No, you're right. That's a good addition to that. That's a great point. Do you think it's funny? Yeah, I do. I think it's hilarious. I think it's totally true. Do you think a black American would find it funny, you think that black should be imprisoned for the most part? Blacks are my biggest fans. I get high fives all the time. They say, Nick Fuentes, I love your show. They agree with me. And you want to know why?

Here's the difference. Black people are the most victimized by other black people. You think black people want to live in the hood and the ghetto and get shot all the time. That's what happens in the south side of Chicago. You should come here. I'll take you there. We could go to Garfield Park. We could go to Chicago University for a year, actually, several years ago. Yeah, that's a bubble. That's a bubble. You think you're in Chicago and Hyde Park? You don't know Chicago.

Go a little bit west, see what it's like over there. And I'll tell you, black people agree with me because they're tired of it too. And maybe not most of them, but a lot of them agree with what I say about that because they know how it is. That's why the first thing they do and they make a little bit of money is they go and leave to another neighborhood. Okay, so what does remind me again, the percentage of black men who commit murder in America. What was the percentage you gave me? It's one in 20, one and 20. It's one and a hundred.

No, it's one in 20. No, no. Less than one and a hundred black U.S. men commit murder. That's the most up-to-date crime statistics in America. That's not true. I've seen other statistics. They say one in 20 will eventually commit a murder. Your rate means that you're saying that five times as many black men commit murder as the official crime.

All right. So what I do want to say here, although I'm not taking Nick Fintess's side here, I do want to say something. I don't know who's right here, by the way. I don't know what the actual statistics are. But what I do know is that during Biden-Harris presidency, when there were black men that were being arrested for violent crimes, they were being classified. And as they were being booked, they were being booked as white males. Okay. I'm just saying that. So as Pierce Morgan says here, is that the most recent statistics say this. Okay. Well, I know that, I mean, you guys can go look this up.

I mean, go look it up. Yeah. So you're saying they're bullshitting it just like they bullshitted the COVID vaccine stuff and COVID stuff and all that. And global warming numbers. Yeah, they just bullshitted the numbers. Yes, they did. Now, I'm not saying that all black people are bad by saying that.

I'm literally just saying that, you know, the reality of this is, is that. And it's not necessarily black people's fault because they're black is why this happens, right? We have to understand that. But what I am saying is based on proportionate population, you know, blacks according to population, which is 13% versus whites, they are proportionally responsible for violent crime, only being 13% of the population. But it goes back to their socioeconomic status. It doesn't go based on the color of their skin is where they grow up and how they grow up and what they have to do with when they grow up. there is seven-year-olds that are joining gangs because they have to not because they want to. Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, and most of those seven-year-olds, 12-year-olds, 11-year-olds, the reason why they're joining gangs because they don't have fathers in the households because the government knows that if you don't have a father, then you can control those people. And I still think there is a, and this is just my opinion. I really truly think there is some type of government control of blacks and slavery today. on purpose. Absolutely. To the black people. Just like they, you know, the CIA is responsible for rap music. There is a, there's a long rabbit hole.

You guys can go down on that to kind of influence the blacks to continue their, the ways and kind of the anti-police, anti-government, anti-household, anti-family, anti-all-all-this. I mean, the number one affected population of people by abortion are blacks. So, you know. And by the way, they're harvesting their organs now. Yeah. Well, they are. And the reality of this is, and it sounds crazy and conspiratorial, but, you know, it's not just because you're black is why this is happening.

And so the racism part of this should be out of the window. You got to figure out like, why is this happening? And how do you fix it? You know, it's the same reason why we have this mass problem with homelessness. while we have veterans that go and devote their lives and sometimes, you know, give up their families. I mean, I can't even tell you how many veterans have lost their wives, their families, everything.

And many of them die, by the way. And, you know, but the ones that don't die, they have to come back to America. They have to figure out how to re-assimilate into life without government assistance in a lot of cases. And they either kill themselves. They become homeless or the government just basically says, screw you, because the VA is horrific. and they have been for a very long time.

It's the same shit. It is because of how you are propped up and put in the system is how a lot of your culture evolves. And I think that's the same way with blacks. I think that's the same way with certain portions of veterans. I think that's the same way with a lot of what our government does. I mean, it's the exact same thing as if you look at Democrat-led cities to where there are more drug addicts, there are more homeless people, there are more all of this. it all goes back to government.

It all goes back to they're not doing shit about that, but they want to send billions of dollars to Ukraine and billions of dollars to Israel and billions of dollars to everywhere else besides helping our own people. Like what is the reason for that? Like why would America, why would our government not want to help us first and foremost before going out there and sending billions and billions and trillions of dollars around the world? Why would they not send that to our own people to try to fix our problems? because they don't want to do that because they use those problems in America to divide

and they use those problems to control. They use those problems for racism because they don't ever want racism to not exist because without racism, then you start having a problem as a government. Yeah, I agree. You have a problem because then you start having blacks and whites to come together. You start bringing the blacks out of poverty. You start bringing the poor whites out of poverty.

And then you start uniting those people. Then you start. Then you're in trouble. Then you have a- If you're the government. Yeah, then you have a huge conversation of, well, who's actually been the one screwing us for this long? Who's been the one really in control? Who's been the one that's been holding us back?

Who's been the one that's been doing all this? And then you're going to have a huge conversation. That's why people like Kansas O and Tucker Carlson, even in this faction of Republicans now are being divided. But imagine if everyone was united on at least one huge thing, which is like the government's screwing us. We got to do something about it. Why are we sending money to every other country? we got to start caring about our own people. And even if that, even if we could start with that, we might actually get somewhere.

Anyways, let's continue. There's a report, I believe, on X by data hazard. I'll have to go and double check that for you. But yes, there's some pretty shocking evidence that says that it's far more alarming than you would think. Okay. But you would accept that the official crime statistics are one and a hundred or you wouldn't accept that statistic? I don't know. I don't have it in front of me.

But I've seen other evidence. Like I said, data hazard on X, I believe. produced a report about a year ago, it said one in 20. But, I mean, whether it's one in 20 or one in 100, that's a lot of people, peers. I mean, this is a real problem. I don't it? Well, they do, don't they? Okay, but it's about, it's about proportionality. I mean, white people are 65% of the population. Blacks are 13%. And I think anybody would tell you that more black people, proportionally, commit violent crime than white people, and people vote with their feet. People would rather pay a much higher property tax.

Most match shootings. What's with the interruptions? I'm sorry. Thank you. I appreciate that. You know, you look at in Chicago, in New York, these neighborhoods are so stratified. People would rather pay a high tax rate. They'd rather pay a much higher property value to live in a less diverse, less black neighborhood because they don't want to live around the violence.

And I think that when you look at even on the public transit, the subway, the blue line, you know, people don't want to go there because they know who occupies and menaces the public transit. It is these people like Daniel Penny had to do. deal with. It's people like Arena Zerutska had to deal with. And that's just the uncomfortable reality. You've also said you don't want to live near black people. Let's take a listen to this clip. Okay, before this clip, I want to say, though, that, you know, if we could all start figuring out who our actual enemy is, then we would stop being racist. And the reason I want to say that is because, yes, obviously, we had the woman in Charlotte that got brutally executed by a

black male. We've had many instances of that. We've had instances of school shooters. We've had all kinds of shit that's happened throughout history. Yeah. And we've also had police go into the wrong house and shoot up black families or white families in cases or arrest. I mean, it's not just black related to that. That shit happens to white people too. Right. But what I'm saying is, is that as smart as Nick Fuentes is, when are we ever going to start calling out the people that are actually responsible for this? Because racism, racism is a low. level IQ blame and I think that's bullshit. It's the same way I think it's bullshit with Jews.

Same way I think it's bullshit with blacks. That's low IQ, even though that's what Nick Fentis always wants to say to other people, well, you're low IQ Jew or Jew hater, right? He calls Ian Carroll that because everything is about Israel. But I also think that if you just can, if you just say all black people are bad because of this and because of this problem because of what's happening in Chicago and all this stuff, you're not looking at the real problem. Do you think it's just because they're black?

They were born black is why they're like this. No, it's not. There's a bigger issue. There is a bigger problem. And it's not because they're black. It's not because they're Asian or because they're white. It's because of something major that's happening. Right.

And it's our government influence on those people. Yes. And in some parts of the world, it's also religious influence, right? So there are two very big factions. Like a lot of wars that were based on religion or culture. And we're having those wars to this day. There are blacks killing blacks in Chicago on an everyday basis. And that's based on culture.

That's based on they don't have fathers in the household. That goes back to government basically control over the black household, the black family, where you're incentivizing these black women that have no fathers in the household to have more babies so they make more money. But yet then you are left with no role models. And then, you know, who is your role model become? Well, it becomes the gang leaders. And then so you're incentivized to have more, more and more kids by multiple fathers. that are not going to pay you or do shit for you.

And this is just going to be a vicious cycle. And then you ask yourself, well, what's the problem here? I don't understand why, you know, this group of people would be like this or how this would happen or why, you know, you have to understand too. Like, they have no money to get out of these places. Like, how the hell are they going to move to, like, how are they going to move to Hilton Head? Is a black family from South Chicago going to move to Hilton Head and have a better life? From the south side to like Elmhurst where Nick Fuentes is from. They're not.

They're not going to build a. afford to live there. It's the same way that like the, the workers on Hilton Head Island, you know, Hilton Head Island is a rich island. It has a lot of, there's a lot of money there,

but the people work in these restaurants, they make okay money, but they don't make nowhere near the money to survive. And the only thing that's happening on Hilton Hout Island is all these rich people are coming in and taking up and buying up all the land of these affordable, affordable households, which is very few, by the way now.

And once all of that land is bought up, once all of that's bought up, then you have nowhere. workers. What are you going to do? Get millionaires to go work at restaurants? Is that your plan? Or, and especially now that like, you know, you are basically ICE is arrest and everybody that is going to work on in that thing too. So like, how are you going to do this in rich and affluent neighborhoods? It's just this problem is going to continue to happen. And so anyways, here is the clip that Pierce Morgan is going to also bring to Nick Fuentes.

I'm a new generation of white person. I'm not living around blacks. Sorry. You know, I want white kids and I don't want my white kids bringing home black people to marry. It's racial for me. And you call me racist. Oh, very Christian of you. I don't give a fuck.

I mean, it couldn't be clearer, really, unless you want to say that's another of your jokes. But you're basically saying, yeah, a racist, aren't you? Yeah, yeah, I'm fine with that. You're fine with saying you're a racist? Totally. I think everybody's racist. I think everybody, if we're being honest, is racist.

I think everybody, the only people that aren't racist or pretend not to be our white people to their detriment. Everybody else is racist. But you spent, earlier in the interview, you went, really got aggrieved at the idea that your father was a racist. You wanted to make emphatically sure he's, he's, he's, he's. Because my father doesn't share my same views on that. So he's the exception to the everyone's a racist.

Well, everybody's a little bit racist. You're right. So maybe everybody. The difference is you're attacking my father. You know, he can get fired from his job. I'm not. I'm not. I don't know your father.

And to be clear, I have no knowledge about him at all. Other. Well, then let's leave him out of it. Let's leave him out of it if you don't know him. Hang on Nick. You put that story into the public domain on your show. I'm simply reminding you. of what you told everybody, millions of people about your father.

If you now want to retract it, fine. If you want to say it was a joke, which is what your position was earlier, fine. But I'm allowed to put to you things you said publicly. That's not unfair. That's not me targeting your father. You put that story about him out there. You know what you're doing. Yeah, I'm asking you about a pretty shocking anecdote,

which to me looked like you were saying your father made decisions about where you as a family would eat. based on skin color of people who worked at these places. If you say or use them, if you say that is not what you meant, that's fine. You can respond any way you like. But the idea I can't ask you about it without you saying I'm attacking your father is ridiculous. Well, you are, and you know what you're doing. And there's a political culture in America where if you have the wrong views, you get fired from your job. And my father has a job.

And if you go on here and say, you charge him with a. racism or something and I'm put in a position where I don't look like I'm sticking to my guns. If I don't say my father's a racist, you're putting him in jeopardy and he's not here to defend himself or explain his views. And it's very low. And I think you know exactly what you're doing. And people can see what you're doing. I'll defend my views. And I think that, you know, so let's leave him out of it. Let's just not talk about my father because my father isn't here. I'm here. I'll defend my views and I'll defend the anecdote. That's fine. But then do you accept you shouldn't talk about your father on your show and you shouldn't tell.

Absolutely not. Absolutely not. So it's fine for you to put a story out there which would make most people who listen to that story or watched it at the time on your show conclude that he was racist. It's fine for you to do that. But if I then ask you about it, I'm the one who's being unfair and I've crossed a line. Is that what you're saying? Yes.

Yes. You're being malicious. Okay. That's fine. That's fine. Listen, people are watching this live. they can draw their own conclusions about whether what I just did. And they will. Yeah.

All right. I got to say something else. You know, as Nick Fentz has talking about his Christian values here. And I think also that's what Pierce Morgan talked about as well. Some of the most Christian people I know are black. So I don't know where you're going with this. But okay.

Well, here's, well, it's kind of two parts, right? There has been divide among people throughout history. I mean, this is always going to happen, whether it is based on your government, whether it's based on religion, whether it's based on whatever. And, you know, as Nero used to say, as the Christians that they were hunting to be executed in the circus, where they would do the most horrific stuff to Christians, you know, they would go to the Christians, they would be like, well, you know what, I'm not going to deny Jesus no matter what, even though they could have and they could have lived. but the reality of this is Christians,

even though as, as gentle and as nice as they possibly could be, right, throughout what their teachings were about Jesus, what Jesus represented, which was like turned the other cheek. What color do you think the Christians at that time their skin was? Brown,

but this has nothing to do with blacks. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is... Yeah, but they're making it a racist thing. You're making a religious thing. No, no, no, no. But it, but the reason why I'm saying is because he's saying he's a Christian. and yet he's like well screw blacks right but and and some of you might be like well that's not

necessarily Christian like but what I'm saying is that even Christians back in the days used to despise Jews because they believe that Jews gave up Jesus to the Romans right and so they still had their beliefs they still they still lashed out they still talked about that they just because they were Christians back in historical days just because they were Jews just because they were back in Jesus days did not mean they were perfect and didn't have a viewpoints and didn't have beliefs because they did. That's literally the entire reason Jesus came because he told everybody you're not perfect. None of you will ever be perfect. You're never going to be Jesus like. And so with people like Nick Fuentes and what he believes based on his worldview is that,

you know, he would rather not associate or deal with blacks versus deal with blacks. That's what he's saying. Now you may not agree with him. You may disagree with him. But the reality is that people, have always had condescending views on other factions of people throughout history. It's not new. This is not something new. Yeah, I get what you're saying. It's a pattern. And the reality of this is, is I think that you're going to bring more people like

Nick Flintes by saying that you're not allowed to be racist or that the only people that can be racist are whites because it's not possible for blacks to be racist, right? That's what they've all taught us. That's a lie. I know, but that's what they say. They say that you can't be racist if you're black. You can only be racist if you're white. And so when you say that to a population of people like Nick Fuentes, like these people

that are growing up in this party, you're only going to get more radical views. You're only going to get this more radicalism of saying that you can't do this and you can't be this on this side. That's like saying, well, this faction of people that are, you know, say that the black guy kills a white guy and they're like well that's not racism that's not a hate crime because he's black but yet if a white person kills a black person that's a hate crime and that's what we have dealt with right especially under the democrat party to where you the democrat said well if a white person kills a black person or if a white person kills the LGBTQ or whatever it is those are

protected classes of people so you can't say but but if it's but if it's the other way around they don't charge it with a hate crime if it's the black guy on the subway that that stabs to death this young white girl from Ukraine. No, I think they are. They are going. Oh, yeah. Of course they are now because Trump's, you know, because Trump's in office. But that's the problem, right?

That's the issue that we're dealing with. And so is Nick Fuentes right or wrong here? I think he's wrong. I think he's, yeah, I think he's wrong in his viewpoint on looking at blacks in a hole. I do. But I do. What I am saying is I think that you're going to get more of these people with the rhetoric that we've heard.

People like him. White young males. You're going to get more people that, you know, especially when it was said that like all white single males were the problem, whether it was racism or women. Now you're starting to get white guys to not even want relationships. You're starting to get white guys to hate other religion or other races. You're also, by the way, it's not just white guys. It's black people on the other side as well.

There is a huge divide and it's all completely. masterfully orchestrated by the devil, I think. Well, I just want to give you guys a high five moment. And the only reason I am saying this is because my daughter and her boyfriend, they don't listen to the podcast. But next Saturday, her boyfriend is going to propose to her. His mom and I have gotten together and we are helping prepare for the proposal. And guess what?

He's black and she's white. And I am so freaking happy that he's going to propose to her. Yeah. I mean, and look, for Faith, Faith's like my daughter. You know, it doesn't matter if this guy was black, white, or any other color. If he treats her good, I'm good. If he doesn't, then it's bad. And I don't care what color he is at that point.

You know, hell's going to rain down on that person. And that's just the way it is. It doesn't matter about color. And like I said, I think Faith is smart enough to pick the right person. And she picked the right person, not based on color, but based on character. and that's exactly right and that's all that really matters in this world right now is character and you can you can like you could have the best friend in the world that would have your back on anything that's black and you could have a friend that you thought was a well they was a loyal

person because you're white and he's a white friend and that that that completely screws you so that that's why i'm saying the generalization of some of the stuff nick flintess says is just not accurate and so that's what i do want to push back on him about and night and I want people to understand that like don't follow some of these people, whether there's blacks or whites, because there are definitely a lot of blacks out there that are trying to instigate the hate war between whites and blacks. And I think some in some ways, Nick Fuentes is doing that on the other side. Right. And so then people are like, well, we got to take a side because we know blacks are doing

this on this side, you know, on the influencer realm. So now we have to have people like Nick Fuentes to kind of stick up for us as white people. And this is where tribalism starts, right? this is the way that either Trump or Biden or whoever gets in office is tribalism. But the reality of it is is that none of this really follows the values of what Jesus said and what we should all do is love everybody, no matter who it is, and treat everybody the same. You can draw their own conclusions about whether what I just did. And they will. Yeah, and I'm sure afterwards, by the way, you'll say, he ambushed me with your own words.

Whoa. With their own words. That's a little presumptuous. I'm not going to say it's an ambush, but I think that's a low blow. And I think you know what you're doing, and that's fine. You're a tabloid journalist. I expected that. I don't think it's an ambush because I knew it would be like this.

And people will see what you're doing, and I think they'll say it's low. But as far as you want to talk about racism. I do. Let's talk about racism. Let's leave my dad out of it. Look, you've admitted you're a racist. Correct? Yes.

100%. Okay. Own it. Okay. That's fine. You're perfectly entitled. in a free democratic society to stare down the baron of his camera and tell me you're a racist. People can judge you accordingly.

I know. Many people who have assumed that you're a racist will now have heard it from your own lips. That's fine. There you go. The point of this interview is to go over the things you've said, which have led people to reach conclusions about you, and to ascertain whether those conclusions are fair and reasonable or not. That's it.

So I want to play you another clip. This is what you talk about why white people are justified in being racist. Let's take a listen to this. First, white people are every single bit justified in being racist. Every single bit justified to the extent that that means going out of your way to avoid black people when you see them. You stand by that? Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. So white people should go out of their way.

to avoid black people when they see them? Absolutely. They would be wise. Why? Because it's a lose-lose proposition. If you're Irenea Zerutska and you don't walk the other way, you get stabbed to death and you die. If you're somebody else and you walk on the subway

and you stand near a black person or something, maybe it's fine. It's a lose-lose proposition. So, no, I think that white people, I think that white people have been beaten into submission that we're afraid to tell the truth about it. And the truth is that when you go into these major cities like New York or Chicago, I believe she was in North Carolina, there is a menace, which is young, black, adolescent men. They're extremely violent. And we have been told that we have to

pretend like they are every other person. We have to be colorblind to that. And we're supposed to go and be in the midst of all this danger. And I think that at this point, it's gotten out of control. You look at the BLM movement, they said that the reason that black people, you know, are violent or the reason there's crime is because of police brutality, a redlining or all these other things. They said we need to get rid of the police. We need to defund them. And a lot of cities did. A lot of cities like Chicago, for example, the police change the rules of engagement. They don't chase them. It's not a felony. If you steal a certain amount of merchandise, they won't chase them on foot. And now the city's totally up for grabs. And now, whether you're in the Gold Coast or whether you're on the

mag mile or you're in the worst neighborhoods in the city you might get shot you might get mugged someone might run up on you and i tell my followers it is better to be perceived as racist or racist and walk the other way and maybe keep your life than to say i'm a good anti-racist i don't mind that this person's making me uncomfortable maybe he's looking a little froggy i'm going to sit down because i'm a good person and get stabbed mugged whatever and by the way this is a strategy they call it the friendly stranger. There's a crew of them. They do this in Chicago. They stand outside bars, black people. They approach strangers. It's a robbery crew. And they pretend to be a friendly stranger. And then they mug them. And stupid white people say, oh, hi, yeah, nice to meet you. You know, they grin, they laugh.

They put up with the nonsense. And then they get mugged or worse. Sometimes they get executed. And so as a white person. How do you feel? All right. So you got to talk about this. it's tough to talk about because some of what he says is true. I hate to say it. Yeah, I agree. I think especially in Chicago and probably other cities like Chicago that are Democratic run. I mean, it doesn't even matter about Democrat run. It matters about where you're at, right?

Like if you go in a trailer park as someone and you're hanging out and do whatever, as a black person, like that shit might not go good for you either. but the same way that like if you're in a inner city you're in a predominantly black neighborhood or the hood or a or a bar or a restaurant near this place yes it is true it is factual that there are there are young black people right now that are going out and they are preterizing white people that is true and i feel like they are i feel like that in certain situations that that group uh these these certain factions and groups of young black men especially nowadays

because I think that's a big issue the young black men they are in these gangs they're doing all this crazy shit and and the same way the same way no I know it's not all but regardless the same way that Nick Fuentes is talking out against this the same way as some of these

young black men also think the opposite of whites but is Nick Fuentes going to go and stand outside of a bar and wherever and preterize or try to mug or kill black people based on whatever, based on their, I think, innocence or weakness, not necessarily. But I do think there are factions of young black men in this country that feel like that white people are weak and that they are easy prey. And I do truly think that.

And I think that, you know, in certain places, in certain regions, you've got to be very careful about where you go and what you do and how you do it and how you move. Well, I mean, this should not be a conspiracy theory. No, most people don't believe that you as a white person can go walk through the hood as a white thing.

You can't. You can't. I'm even talking about when I first became a teacher, I taught in a 99.6% black school. And I tried to help these kids do everything. Sometimes they wouldn't have rides. I'm like, listen, I will give you right home.

home. It's fine. No. And they called me Ms. Sexton at the time. Ms. Sexton, you can't go up. You can't go up in the hood because somebody's going to shoot you because you're white. They look at you differently. That's what they told me. Yeah, absolutely. Even back then. Well, I mean, but it goes back to the way I don't, I don't know if it's, is it a cultural thing? Well, it is. I mean, it absolutely is. I mean, and and its dominance is kind of, that many men world, you know, it's kind of like the, the Sahara, where you have gazelles, you have, you have the antelopes and you have lions, right? And so in certain places, there are going to be lions and you might be the antelope, you know,

and that's just the reality. That's nature. And human nature oftentimes replicates mother nature. It oftentimes represents what happens in the wild, right? And that's always funny because like there's there's a lot of people that that when they go camping, especially people that never go camping and say that like you probably heard these stories of these. And most of the time it is white people that go to Yellowstone or wherever. And they set up this tent in the middle of this path, this this field in Yellowstone or wherever it is. And then you hear a story about them being ripped out of their tent and killed by a grizzly bear.

And like literally the entire family is destroyed by. a grizzly bear. It's not funny, but... No, it's not funny because it happens all the time. And the reason why that happens is because that these white people usually camping in a tent in the middle of Yellowstone go into this environment where it is the wild. They cook all this food. They'll be cooking steaks and eggs and they don't have a bear or chocolate.

Yeah, they have all this shit. And then they store all this in their tent. And then, then we see a new story that they are all. killed by a grizzly bear and why is that well because you don't respect the environment of where you're at you don't you don't rationalize where you're at so that's no different by the way that if you're in and i guess this in some but but what i will say like is it more dangerous for a white person to walk through a suburb neighborhood of a white of a white yeah or of a white community no of a white community is it more dangerous for a black person to walk through this

community than it is for a white person to walk through south chicago i think you know the answer to i'm just telling you that for 20 years we avoid that area because white people are not allowed there no it's the same thing as like where i live where i was talking about this certain school and where these children lived but i still did it just so you guys know and i was in my little like white ford it was old white forward, but I was leaning down and I was going up the hill. And I was like, okay, guys, get out. Welcome home. Yeah.

And you were literally the white family that went to Yellowstone and cooked in their freaking campsite. And luckily you got out, right? I mean, and that's the thing. Luckily, you got out. Now, I'm not saying that all black people represent this. What we're saying is that this faction, this group and this, you know, this group of people, this group of culture, this group of poor, this group of gangs, their ideologies.

It's the same way that, like, you probably wouldn't want to walk into a KKK rally as a black person, right? Or it's the same thing that you would not necessarily want to walk into a Satan worshiping seminar as a Christian and holding the Bible as they're sacrificing a cat or some shit in the, you know, and, you know, I mean, there are all these things. I'm just saying that there are things we as people need to understand and realize and respect. We need to respect other cultures and people and understand it like, hey, here's, here's this and we know not to do this.

But when you look at, and I think her name's Irene and Charlotte, the white girl that was on the white woman from Ukraine that was on the metro in Charlotte, North Carolina, where she's sitting there innocently. She's just trying that she literally fled the war in Ukraine. And this black person comes up behind her and stabs her death. now it seems like that likely this was due to a race related hit right um and and there are things that happen like that i mean you can see as i've said earlier as i've talked about earlier there are tons of videos to where there are white kids and schools that have a lot of black people they they get jumped um this does happen but that still goes back to the point of what i went with earlier to where i grew up in these schools but it's different now it is different it really

truly is a different environment. It is a different world we live in. It is not the same world we live in. A lot of these like white kids that you might see being jumped by blacks or whatever on X or whatever, like would we have saw that when I was in school? Probably not. I just didn't see a lot of that. I mean, I didn't personally see a lot of that. I did see fights and battles between people in school. Sometimes maybe it was because like this white racist dude. And look, we had white racist guys back in the day like country rednecks that were whatever and and some of these guys would would fight blacks but the weird thing about it was is even in this case yeah they viewed things differently but it wasn't necessarily even just the the it wasn't necessarily the battle between they weren't really even

fighting in a lot of cases because of the black and white thing it's just a culture I guess it was a cultural difference because like when I was in high school I think the Crips and Bloods were just coming into Colorado and they're coming into my high school and I remember remember, like, it was kind of scary because they would gang up on a white kid and it'd be like 20 black guys against one white guy. I'm like, oh, my God. Yeah. This guy is getting demolished.

And all the white guys, they didn't do anything. But listen. But also keep in mind, you know, I've never been jumped by blacks. I've only ever been jumped by whites. So there's something to say about that. And I, you know, I was at a party of people I thought I trusted and I wasn't at one time. And I got jumped by a bunch of white dudes, right? And, and the funny, the kind of interesting thing about this is like one of my only friends in this party that I kind of knew was a black guy that was one of the only people to actually help me in that party.

Yeah. So, you know, that's what I'm saying. It's like you guys can take this however you want to. We're just talking about experiences. Yeah. Absolutely. So one of the last parts I want to talk about is the, appears Morgan questions Nick Fentis on black versus white crime statistics.

We'll talk about that. Here you go. But crimes, do you? No, because I know it's far fewer from experience. Because it's like you said. Well, and hang on. And I would add to that, you know, I reina Zerutsko wasn't the first one. That was also after Austin Metcalf was killed in Texas.

Sure. After Carmelo Anthony's gap in the net. But how many times has it been perpetrated by white people? Well, hang on. Let me finish my point. But you're implying that white people don't do this. And my point to you. Nick Flenters is of course, of course, I never said white people don't do it. Of course, deranged white people

commit heinous acts, but you don't either know. No disagreement. You either, you neither know nor care, or maybe both. Maybe you do know, but don't care. You only seem to be focused on black people who commit crimes. And again, if you hadn't prefaced the whole debate about racism by openly conceding, you are a racist, I could read other connotations into what you've been saying. But once you said, I'm a racist and then you only talk about black crime, I think people can watch this and they can say, yeah, he is, he's a racist. And everything that he says about crime is driven through the prism of being a racist who judges people according to their skin color.

Well, it's funny because it's quite on the contrary. And I said this in a similar monologue. You know, the problem is not that I wake up and I walk down the street and I see someone that doesn't look like me and it makes me. angry. The problem is there's a pattern of behavior, which we've all seen. Blacks in America have become narcissistic, and they've become narcissistic because they've been told they're victims of racism, they're victims of slavery. They've been told, really, there's no accountability. If they're rude, if they're inconsiderate, if they're criminal, they are told that they have

no agency for their actions. They're being told, if you act in this way, it's because the white man made you that way. It's because the system's rigged against you. And so we have been telling black people this for a generation. And now there's no rules. Now they go. And what we hate to see as as decent people, not even as white people, but decent people, even black people too. What we hate to see is rudeness, obnoxiousness, inconsideration, criminality, violence. And that's that pattern of behavior that we see all over social media on the body. So just to be clear, you don't like, you don't like black people who play the victim and are rude. Is that your position? I don't like that pattern of behavior.

And who are a narcissist? I see where this is going. Yeah, are you going to turn this around on me? You're ahead of me, aren't you? Because when I said, what black friends have you got? You say, yay. I am kind of black, aren't I? No, not that.

I'm not saying you. I'm just saying your choice of black friend is yay, who is arguably the number one black victimhood narcissist in America. Do you understand the problem? So he's your friend. He's one of the very few black people you want to be associated with, but he's the epitome of what you just said you abhor about narcissistic black people. I disagree. I disagree with you.

And I'll tell you why. Because, yay, if you've ever met him in real life. I have, yeah. Okay, well, then you know. He's nothing but polite, considerate. I see very rude to me the last two times I interviewed him. He's a supreme narcissist. And he's also-

Well, you keep interrupting me. You're very rude, are you black? I apologize. I apologize. To you. I'm giving you a hard time. But I, look, I do want to finish my point. I do want to finish my point about, yay.

He is a guy who, when I was with him, wanted to make sure that everybody was heard, everybody felt included. He's actually a very soft-spoken guy, very polite. And by the way, not violent. When you look at all the rappers that are in the music game, many of them, especially from Chicago, drill rap, they're talking about, killing people, shooting people, they gang bang. He notably, if you know about him, he got to start because he was a nerd. He wore a backpack and a polo and he wasn't a gangbanger. He wrapped about

his feelings and girls and his dreams and his ambitions. So no, and by the way, he would tell me all the time he doesn't even feel black. They make him feel not black because he doesn't do those things, because he saw spoken, because he's artistic, because he's a bit of a nerd or likes fashion. So I would disagree. He's, he's actually not like that at all. Okay. He's also, he's also. All right. And, and what he's saying about Kanye here, Kanye West, I think Kanye West, by the way, regardless of what people think about him being the anti-Semite of the year or whatever, because he did have a song called Hell Hitler and some of this other shit. And he said stuff on Alex Jones. But I think that Kanye is brilliant. Regardless of whatever you

want to say, he's one of the most intellect rappers that has ever wrapped in the game. And I think that's why like even regardless of where a lot of rappers had to kind of distance themselves from him because I do think he's a little crazy too obviously chick filet on Sunday yeah I mean well his yeah his his his like yeah chickfilet on Sunday like his like his um was a Sunday school or whatever he would call it like a lot of that spiritual stuff was amazing oh it was really good it was really good especially like they had videos where they're all in a plane together and they're all like harmonizing oh they're amazing they were amazing yeah they're great but he's a brilliant mind. Kanye is a brilliant mind, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's not crazy in some

ways. You know, a lot of brilliant minds are kind of crazy. Like, you know, you look back at a lot of- I'm crazy, babe. Well, but listen, you look back a lot of serial killers, for example. I mean, a lot of serial killers have been brilliant. Like IQs of like 160, 170. Oh, yeah. And so they're very smart. And they have a lot to offer the world. There's a lot of people that have been some of the biggest, I guess you can say people in history that we remember and will always know that have been, that have offered something to society that we will never forget. That'll be, you know, I guess intertwined in our reality forever. But yet if you look at also their life outside of what they contributed,

their life is very weird and very strange. And sometimes they were very evil. And sometimes they were very, a lot of these things. So Kanye, though, not saying he's that. I'm just saying Kanye buck the system. And I think he bucked it kind of like Nick Fuentes is doing, but he did it as a black man, a rapper that was not, you know, he was not talking about gangster rap, the same shit that they wanted all the rappers to talk about.

And I think that's why a lot of people came against him. Kanye West has continually said that like the system is who has been trying to deny me. They've been trying to cancel me and kill me and destroy me. And I think that with the Israel thing and all the anti-Jew stuff that Kanye started to come out against. It was because of what he believed, who who he believed was trying to destroy his career. Okay. So keep that in mind.

Right. And so he felt like this was this kind of, this anti-deep state was coming after him. And so that's what. Kanye is not like the New York rappers versus the west side. No, no. The California. Yeah. He's not a Dr.

Drey's and the Snoop dogs and the Biggies and the Tupac. this guy's a very intellectual dude regardless you know obviously like I said he had a song called hell Hitler and that song is like one of the most anti-Semitic songs you could ever possibly make but like he made it for a reason and he made it because he wanted he wanted I think the reason why he made this song is because he wanted to make it to say that who's going to tell me not that I can't say this right like freedom of speech like I can say whatever I want to yeah and and so he's always challenges that so the last thing I want to uh get to in this interview, obviously, is the Pierce Morgan questioning Nick Fuentes on anti-Semitism.

Here you go. I said emphatically that you don't hate all Jews. Is that correct? That's your position. Yes. Okay. So I want to play you this clip. Well, I don't hate any Jews. Let me just amend that. I don't hate any Jews. Okay. Okay. Let's play this clip. The reason I've had it is because my opposition to world Jewry and Israel is rooted in absolute, uncontestable fact. We have the truth on our side. That's why we're winning, because we are telling the truth about the historical antagonism

between Jews and Europeans, between Jews and Christians. The theological, historical, racial, cultural, and political antagonisms between organized Jewry and the Christians. organized Jewry and Europeans. And the reason that we are winning that argument is because it's real, it's true. I can prove it. I can show you. I can name the names. I can show you the paper trail, the money. That is why we're winning. That is why all of this is raising the consciousness. When you say you have this opposition to world jury, I mean, it's one thing to criticize, for example, government over what's been doing in Gaza, I've done that myself. When you talk about world

Jewry, I presume you're talking about the 15 million Jews in the world, and you are opposed to them. How does that square with your position that you don't hate any Jews? Well, do you take issue with my use of the term world Jewry? What do you mean by that? Do you take issue with it? Do you have a problem with that? Clarify what you mean by it. Well, it's funny. You bring that up. The gaslighting's crazy. Because I use that expression on my show all the time. I say organized jewelry, world jewelry. And do you know that for like 30 years, the World Jewish Congress has an annual keynote called the State of World Jewry? Barry Weiss has given it.

You can look it up. It's on YouTube. She gives the State of World Jewry address. But Nick, what do you mean by it? I mean, you have to talk about, you know, there's a concept of Jewish people. it's the sense that they are part of a common nationality, a common tribe, a common people. And so where they reside in Israel, the United States or Europe, or elsewhere, they see each other above or maybe on a different level alongside their nationality, their state, wherever they reside. If they're in Germany, France, the United States, they see themselves as part of a transnational nation, of an international nation.

of an international nation. The Jews in America, the Jews in Israel, they identify as Israeli or American, but they also have something in common. They identify as part of a common nation, which I would say there's a world Jewish population. It's world Jewry. And world Jewry has representatives. There is such a thing as the World Jewish Congress, where they actually elect, it's democratic, all the local Jewish organizations elect representatives to represent proportionally.

the Jewish population in their area at the World Jewish Congress. And it's sort of like Davos. It's like the World Economic Forum, but it's exclusively for members of the Jewish nation that exists across the world. And so that's a real thing. And I didn't make that up and that didn't come from 4chan. It's like I said in that clip, I read what they write. I read their books.

I watch these speeches. I watch a speech from Barry Weiss. I pay very close attention. So that's what I mean by that. There is such a thing as it's a nation that exists. across borders on a global scale. They're organized, and they have a national self-interest as that nation, as that tribe. So if you don't hate any Jews, what do you like about them? I like a lot of things about them. I think they're funny. I think they're smart. I think that

they're pretty remarkable people. And as Christians, especially as Catholics, we say they're remarkable. And this has been adjudicated in Catholic doctrine, thousands of years. We say that they're a witness people. And so we actually, you know, there's provisions inside of Catholic doctrine that says we need to give them special protections because they were a witness to Christ's passion. So, you know, this is why you can't clip the show. You have to watch the whole thing. I say this repeatedly in interviews, I do think they're remarkable. By definition, they're exceptional people. It's just that there is a sort of natural opposition between them and Christians because of the theology. We believe that Christ is a Messiah. They don't. They have been a

minority in Christian lands for thousands of years. And they have been pushed around and expelled, and they've been persecuted and segregated. And that's why there's a lot of paranoia. There's a lot of distrust. There's maybe some sense of chauvinism among Jewish people. So there is, like I said in that clip, there is an historical antagonism between these two people. between Christendom and Jewry, and that has always been the case in Europe. But I don't hate them. And I think I actually sort of understand them in a weird way. I think that because I've studied a lot of their politics, I think I really kind of know

them in a way. And it doesn't come from a place of hatred. Do you have any Jewish friends? I do. I have many, yes. Well, that's weird, because you said this. Jews and Christians have never been friends ever, not since Jesus Christ fought with the Pharisees. have we ever been friends?

Not since Saul was leading the charge persecuting the Christians. Not since the Roman Empire, not since the Middle Ages. Never. We've never been friends. We've never been allies. We've always been set against each other, actually. And even here in the United States, it was communist Jews who were the architects of both communism and the civil rights laws that are dispossessing white Christians of their

land and civilization. The Jews and Christians have never been friends ever, except for you and your Jewish friends. Yeah, so easy. As peoples, as nations. Got it. Not saying every individual Christian. Of course, there have been Christians in Jewish converts to Judaism, Jewish converts to Christian. You're not in your head, but you're asking this.

I'm saying as peoples, they've never been. I'm a Catholic like you, and I have many Jewish friends. I'm just trying to compute what you're trying to say, which is Jews and Christians have never been friends ever. And I'm like, well, you have Jewish friends. I have Jewish friends. We're both Catholics. Therefore, we're Christians.

It doesn't really quite add up. All right. This just cracks me up because it's a gotcha. It is a gotcha. Nick is like cornered. He's getting cornered with black people and Jewish people. And he has best friends that are black people and best friends that are Jewish people. But he's talking about them as a people of a whole, not individual.

people is what he's trying to say yeah all right so let me let me try to break this down from my perspective and this might piss some people off but oh my gosh maybe i should just leave and no no no no no you're good no you're good no you're good so what i think nick is doing here is he is trying to conform like when he says i oh i have black friends oh i have jewish friends okay fine and maybe that's true maybe that is true that nick has jewish friends and nick has black friends right but the same same way that Nick talks about the culturalism of blacks, which is what I think he's really trying to say when he's being racist. These are the disconnects between what Nick says and what Nick maybe means.

And this is what I don't understand is like the culturalism aspect of blacks is what you're trying to say. But it's like, does that mean all blacks, right? Right. It's the same thing with Jews. It's a culturalism. And that's what I've always tried to explain to you. you know, he said there's Jews all around the world and they have this tribalism.

And we do. We have a tribalism. We stick together. Even if I am not a practicing Jew is still part of my heritage that I stick with the Jewish people. Yeah. So my thing here is that you can't, as Nick Fuentes, someone that is anti-Jew, anti-Israel, which I do believe. And anti-Black.

Well, yeah, and anti-black and anti-women and kind of all of that stuff. Like, you've got to have foundational beliefs to be anti-anything. Like, you've got to be really foundational in what you're saying. And so the one thing I've always said in this podcast is, yes, I criticize Israel for sure. The government of Israel is very bad. And if you look at even back in the days of Nero Caesar and back in the days post-Jesus, then you have to understand that the Pharisees, even the ones that gave up Jesus to Rome, all the Christians that they found out, when Rome was looking for these Christians that believe that there was going to be this Messiah, this warrior, here's why, by the way,

the Jews believed that this Messiah was going to be a warrior is because the way the Christians and the apostles were describing Jesus Christ as he was going to come back. Yeah, they thought he was going to be a warrior. Yes, but the way the Bible talked about it, the way the teachings and the apocalypse text, is what they call it. The way these writings talked about it, you know, the Jews believed, well, this person obviously has to be some type of warrior. And the Jews used that against the Christians to the Romans because what the Jews did was they went to the Romans and said, hey, these Christians are about to, they're saying that there is this great warrior that they are worshipping. That is their

leader. That is their like general that's on the battlefield. And he has this great army that is going to come in and destroy Rome. Oh, so they lied. No, no. This is. is like if you read the text of Christianity, if you read the New Testament, this is what it talks about. It talks when you hear all of this stuff, it talks about it sounds like God, aka Jesus, is going to come back and rule the earth. And he's going to come and destroy all the people that are Antichrist and the people that are proclaiming that they are God.

No, they're not lying. This is what Jesus was going to do. And he used places like Rome, the Antichrist through Satan, as the people that. that would destroy nations that were against God. This is something you've got to really understand and research. But the reality of this is that the Jews continually helped Rome to give up the Christians. They would always say, well, these are false prophets. These are people that are going to come Rome and they're going to destroy your nation.

They're going to come and kill you. They're going to come and take over your land. And so the Jews helped the Romans to build this case against Christianity, which is why the Romans went and sought and seeked. Christians to destroy them and execute them and kill them, right? So when I'm saying that, like, we have this battle right now between Ian Carroll and Nick Flandaz about Israel and what they're doing and what they're not doing and all this crazy. This has been going on forever. Been going on forever.

Is there a reason that there should be a divide between the Jewish religion and Christianity? Of course. Because if you are a Christian, you believe in Jesus Christ. He is the only way to heaven. He is your savior. he is the one that that was the new covenant versus the old covenant um and so you have a you have a very foundational belief of jesus christ and a lot of christians throughout history were killed based on jesus christ so what i'm saying is here is that there is a difference right there there obviously

is a difference between jewish people the jewish faith and a jewish religion based on christian faith right but I also understand this like now you have this faction of people that are saying hey everything's Israel Ian Carroll says everything that happens is Israel any murders or assassinations is Israel we're going to blame that on the Jews you know even Nick Fuentes here is talking about the anti-Semitism thing as Pierce Morgan is asking him this and he says why do you hate Jews like why is that that you hate Jews right and he's like well I don't hate Jews I have friends as Jews and even though Nick Flintes, I guess, calls himself a Christian, like, how much is he actually researching about it, right? And although, yes, Jews were God's chosen people for sure.

But as you go through the Bible and kind of understand that like the Christians are grafted in, the church was grafted in, these became the chosen people. These were the ones. The believers in Christ were the people that were going to go to heaven, a remnant. would remain. This argument, I believe, is still happening today that used to happen then. I don't know if it's in the same context. I don't know if Israel is doing the same thing or Jews or whatever to Christians like they used to.

I don't think that's necessarily a case. But there is a divide. And we have to be real about that. I mean, we can't just look over that. We can't pretend like that isn't the case. because then you're just ignoring history, you know? And that's one of the things for me is like as a Christian, as someone that believes in Jesus Christ, someone that is a true believer and has taken me a very long time and all the research I've done.

I also have to question like Christian stance on all of that, right, to where it's like you support Israel no matter what. I don't think that as Christians that you should support a nation because they are a predominantly Jewish nation. to kill thousands of people in in Gaza. Obviously, we, we obviously don't support Hamas killing 1,200 people in Israel either. But I, what I'm saying is I don't think it's a reason to support the opposite of that. And, and I think that's, I think that's where we're getting just so subverted from reality is that we're like, well, you have to do this no matter what. And that's all just propaganda. That's all media.

That's all politics. That's all of this. That is not what we have to. We don't have to support innocent lives being killed no matter who it is, no matter who is from because that's not what Christianity talks about. That's not what it teaches. And Nick Fuentes here, just to kind of wrap this up.

And I do encourage you guys to go and listen to the entire interview with Pierce Morgan and Nick Fuentes. I think Nick Fuentes has some points on some of this stuff. I truly do, whether it's statistics or whether it's all of this stuff. I think where he gets some of this wrong is generalizing the stuff and not really actually talking about the root cause. The root cause is not blacks. The root cause is not Jews. The root cause is not any of these things.

And I think that's where Nick Fuentes misses the point. What Nick Fuentes as an intellect should be doing is actually digging down into root causes and fighting that fight instead of fighting the fight that is, I guess, surface level. That is propaganda. That is politics versus reality. And that goes for blacks. It goes for veterans. It goes for religion.

It goes for all of those things. And I promise you, like, if you guys read and really dig into research about whether it's religion, even Christian religion, and read people that have studied this for years and listen to them and then read the Bible alongside of this. and then and then read history, read history how it describes things. I think you're going to see things differently because I think that you'll eventually be like, damn, I've been listening to these people for so long, like whoever that is. And maybe I was wrong.

Maybe they were wrong. Just because you listen to someone like Nick Fuentes or Ian Carroll or Tucker Carlson or any of these people, that doesn't mean they're right. Like how much have they researched? Like it doesn't mean that they're smarter than you, that you can't. yourself go in research and then make your own conclusions, your own opinions, or or even or come up with your own facts based on what the actual word says or based on what history actually says or based on what the reality of what's really going on is saying, you guys are

not dumber than anybody else. I mean, just because they're influenced or just because Tucker Carlson or Nick Fuentes has huge followings or or we have a following doesn't mean that we're smarter or Nick Fuentes or or or Ian Carroll or Tucker Carl. It doesn't mean they're smarter than you. You can be smarter than them. You could be a bigger voice than any of these people. And it's going to take people that really are trying to find the truth right now.

Not not what's cool for politics, not what gets you clicks, not what is going to get you the most amount of views, not what is going to be bringing more people to your tribe. this what matters most is about truth what matters most and um and and you can be honest and and brutally honest on things about blacks or whites or jews or Christians or anybody else but just but come from that honesty in a place that you have studied and researched it to the point where you feel like confidently that you can speak on it and and and I'm trying to do that every day I'm still not completely ready at all, but, but I'm getting there. And that's why a lot of people ask us, like, hey, you know, do, are you ever going to talk about the Bible again? Well, I, it's been probably a

year and a half, not going to talk about the Bible until I'm ready to because I think that I owe the Bible. I owe the word. I owe all of that to that. You know, I, I, I, I owe that. I can't, I want to talk out of my way. I don't want to give opinions. I want to know the most I can possibly know about that subject, the Bible, the word, the teaching. I don't want to lead anybody astray. I think that's very important. And unfortunately, I think there are a lot of Christians. I think there are a lot of Jews. I think there are a lot of people in all factions that are leading people astray based on opinions, based on political ideologies, based on propaganda. They're leading people astray without actually getting into historical factual context.

And so I will be announcing the new podcast soon. We're going to obviously continue this podcast, but I do want to talk about that because sometimes when we talk about the Bible on here, people don't like that. And that's fine. And I will give them the opportunity that if you ever do want to hear my beliefs and thoughts as I really go down this journey to know everything I can possibly know, reading hours and hours at night in the mornings and in the middle of night. If you want to know what I conclude and come up with, you guys can listen over there.

And obviously, I will bring some of that into the show, you know, because it's kind of hard not to with the conspiracy stuff and all of that. But I will do my best to keep most of it on the new show. And so as soon as we announce that, I will let you guys know. That's why you got to make sure you follow us on Facebook. Make sure you follow us on Instagram. make sure you follow us over on X. And honestly, if you want to see our post the most, probably follow us on Facebook and Instagram the most. We don't really get a lot of reach at all, even from our followers on X.

So make sure you follow that. And as soon as that new podcast comes out, I'll let you guys know. But that's probably going to do it for us on this episode. Like I said, I wanted to kind of highlight this because I think that we are in a culture war. I'm not saying that I'm right. I'm not saying that Nick Fuentes is right or Pierce Morgan's right, whatever, but someone is going to conquer this cultural war. What we don't want it to be is the system. What we don't want it to be is propaganda.

What we don't want it to be is the government or the factions of people, the elitist that control the world to narrate and control the conversation. And I think although you may not always agree with us, you may not always agree with Nick Fuentes. we have to have these conversations. We have to because if we don't, then you're only going to be left with the conversations of Fox News and CNN and MSNBC or whatever you see on mainstream media. And I think that's going to be the most detrimental thing to society.

And I think that's why, as Elon said, even though I think X is literally one of the less reach platforms out there, I think that's why he said I spent $45 billion because I feel like the future of humanity without freedom of speech is a humanity that is going to be lost. So until next time, guys, we love you very much. Peace out. We'll be back very soon for the next day or two.

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