Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Prepping for World War 3 or Civil War in 2024 with Author P.D. Clover

Episode Date: July 12, 2024

In today's unpredictable world, we encounter risks daily, whether stepping outside our homes or offices. Many are unaware that the threat of a global conflict (World War 3) or Civil War is higher now than at any point in our lifetimes. To shed light on this pressing issue, we have invited renowned author P.D. Clover. His series of books explores survival strategies for worst-case scenarios, offering invaluable advice on how to prepare and respond when disaster strikes. Find P.D Clover Books here

On time we borrow our children like a spark fly. Oh, and welcome to Investigator Earth Podcast. I'm your host chat alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. On tonight's episode, we have a very special episode for you guys and girls out there all across the world. I think this topic is very hitting home to a lot of people, right? We're going to talk about civil war, the potentials of a civil war. I think when everybody looks around right now at our political landscape, the way the world is, everyone's very fearful.

Not only are they fearful about potentially a World War, but many people have been talking about a Civil War for two, three, four, five, six years now. If you look on social media, it seems like every other week, Civil War is trending, World War III is trending, and we have a very special guest on tonight's episode by the name of PD Clover and author of the book Preppers, The Event, also Preppers Order from Chaos, just to, To give you guys a synopsis of what this book is about, Preppers, the event, Henry is a family man and a lifelong prepper who lives in a historic neighborhood in a small Appalachian town. One evening, he receives a call that he had always hoped would never come. Now he has less than 20 hours before the world comes to a standstill and society begins to break down.

But getting the supplies and gatherings, his friends will be the easy part. Once the world stops, the difficulties actually begin. Henry must walk the line in protecting his family and friends while not draw an unwanted attention from his neighbors and what remains of the local government. The arrival of a long-lost family looking for help may be the end of him. That is, if his nightmares don't give him crazy first. Welcome, P.D. Clover. How you doing?

Good. Thanks for having me, guys. Yeah, not a problem. Let me go ahead and start off, by the way, with this. When did you write the first book, which is, preppers the event. And this is a series, right, PD? Correct. Yeah, it's a series. There's two books, the third ones in the work.

I meant to already have the third one out, but, you know, I have a bunch of kids. I have a real life and things going on and everything kind of gets in the way. But it will come out at some point. Yeah, it started during the COVID lockdown when everyone had a lot of time and things were going on. I'm not an author by trade, that's for sure. I had I've read this genre for a long time. I'm like-minded in this. I believe in being prepared, being armed, being trained, being ready, just as insurance.

Like you have fire insurance doesn't mean you think your house is going to burn down, but you have it anyway. I view these things as insurance and really it's the mentality and mindset to go with it. So during the lockdown, I was reading one of my book, one of the books I like following one of the authors I like. and he had issued like he was going to do a kind of a contest to like expand his universe. And I had time on my hands. It was a 10,000 word minimum entry. So I wrote it up. It took me a lot less time than I thought it would.

And I submitted it. And then suddenly something had happened in the contest went away. I don't know what happened there. And I figured I'd already written 10,000 words. Like I could probably muster a few more than my own. write an actual book. And, you know, I think it was, you know, 50 or 60 more thousand words. It's kind of a shortish book. I put out the first book. And I didn't think anyone would read it. I just self-published it on Amazon. And then I have, I think, like three million page reads on

that book alone. Wow. Since then. And it turns out a lot of people read it. So let me ask you, part of this contest, what led you to write a book concerning a civil war type scenario? well it's it's not so that's the thing the book isn't a civil war type scenario it's a disaster but the lessons of the disaster like it's a book three part that it'll get to um the lessons of the disaster in the book uh to there's an event happening that knocks out communications yeah our main character i'm definitely not going to call him a hero our main character uh is given a little advanced information and the biggest premise especially of the first book is if you knew life here was going to become unstable. The rule of law was going to disappear. Say like all communication was going to get turned off. Your internet's getting turned off. Your cell phone's getting turned off.

That means your debit card. Your credit card doesn't work. Yeah. Banking information doesn't work. Nothing like that's opening. Then you knew that's happening in 20 hours. You have 20 hours. But it's not just happening here.

It's happening globally. What do you do? Interesting. So it's almost like rather than potentially, which, you know, keeping in mind, obviously, that a World War type scenario would, in a lot of cases, potentially also lead to a Civil War type scenario. But you wrote it during the COVID pandemic, essentially, right? Did you start writing it? Like, as soon as the COVID pandemic happened, you started writing this book.

And obviously, in your mind, you were thinking, hey, this could lead to something similar to what is going through my mind. Obviously, you had a lot of juices flowing with the potential alcohol. of what a pandemic would do to the world, right? I've always kind of been in that mindset and things that I've done professionally in the past lead to me thinking and being like that. I was financially rewarded to think and act in such a behavior. So it wasn't that big of a stretch. I like the fiction. I mean, it's, you know, you do what you love, I guess.

And there were certain things I never liked in a lot of the fiction. A lot of the fiction leads towards like an EMP. like of the electricity's off what are we going to do one uh i have some particular inside knowledge on the grid the power is not that easy to knock out despite what anyone would fearmonger you say it is not that easy to knock out uh rule areas would suffer first metropolitan some things it would be spotty but there are contingency plans the government and various utilities have in place to deal with such things so that would happen i think the biggest thing that i personally believe and still right now would be a cyber attack that disrupted communications.

Okay. If that happened, you're talking logistics for transportation for semi-trucks, trains. How we get tremendous amounts of goods isn't just semi-trucks. It's trains. Trains take them to the depot that semis carry the rest of the way. They heavily rely on communications and they're not hard-lined. They're cellular now. So if you're able to disrupt that network, you freeze the rail.

You freeze the rail. We're in trouble. Same thing with semi-trucks. Like that would be limited dispatch. You would start to see the breakdown of society very quickly because like, and this is an old thing, but I think a lot of people still don't know it is your grocery store barely has 72 hours worth of food. They're probably floating more 24 to 48 hours, maybe.

There is no storage room filled with food. It's just in time delivery. It shows up. It goes out on the shelves. That's how it happens. happens. If you were to disrupt that, like, and we got to see that during COVID, right? Yeah.

Disruptions, and that's international shipping. For sure. And that affected everybody at some level. So imagine something so much closer to home. Not only that, like a disruption in communication, you're not getting your money out of the bank. You're not using credit cards. That's not going to happen. Nobody can verify the pins.

Nobody can verify the transactions. All that crypto you got means nothing. it would halt everything. How do you buy and sell? How do you interact? How long does it take before somebody flips out and pulls a gun at the counter because their kids are hungry at home or their wife needs their medication or they're just tired of this bullshit and they're tired of waiting in line?

People are under so much pressure on any given day. And with their current events we see play out in our oncoming election cycle and the socioeconomic situation in this world and the wars that are floating out there, all as it would take is to disrupt cellular communications. All right. So let me ask you this. Okay, let me ask you this. So we'll get to power grid in a minute because I want to go back to that.

But we're talking about communications right now. And you make a great point, right? What does the military do typically? Like military, if they want to, if they want to tie their enemy's hands behind their back, one of the main things that they want to try to do is disrupt communications. Because if you can disrupt communications between infantrys, between platoons, between whatever it is, whoever your enemy is, you have a strategic advantage already, number one. But what is the best way to disrupt communications?

Cyber attack. Cyber attack. Okay. So you're saying essentially a lot of our communications are basically streamlined through the Internet or the, you know. Well, it's not just that. I mean, a cyber attack is great because we know that you can attack physical infrastructure. The United States government has done it in Iran with zero-day entries in zero-day, meaning a fault or hole in the software that they were able to exploit. And a zero-day means that nobody knew it was ever there.

Like, it's first time ever. So there was no plug for it. There was no patch. They were able to exploit it to destroy various hardware components in plutonium and uranium enriching facilities in Iran. And so that tells you that software companies and governments now work hand in hand. And there's various other thing. I mean, the NSA itself altogether, right? But if I, if this is just me, he's speaking here, and this isn't in my book, it's not really

referenced. My book covers what goes on in a very small town outside of Knoxville, Tennessee, and just kind of how that deteriorates. Yeah. So if I'm looking at a grand scale, something that I would do today, what I would do today is I would disrupt communication in a city that's already having issues like Chicago. Chicago would be a fantastic target because it is such a central hub for shipping. Yeah.

For so many things, whether it be or Memphis for rail shipping, air traffic, air cargo coming in and out, you know, and the bridge is necessary to get the trucking. They are distribution hubs. If you were to take either one of those cities seriously disrupt cellular communications and the Internet. Now, one of the things is the internet is guarded in a lot of ways to be in a backbone. Like a lot of it is hard line doesn't necessarily rely so much on satellite communications, but it is still very vulnerable to physical attack as well. Yeah. So if you had a coordinated event, someone to cut the lines, feed lines, destroy a little bit of key infrastructure.

I mean, you could do this with, you know, a three-man team. It would not be a big deal. And the craziest part of it is while people there are unable to get money, unable to move things, things would be disrupted. You're talking millions of people in the city. Yeah. Either one of those cities. And I was like, well, they would deploy National Guard.

You mean all of the National Guard? Yeah. Because that's what it would take. For sure. You know, when you look at the population density of these places to control, to keep that in, and all of that would still be being live streamed by people going in there with actual recording devices, getting out into service areas, and then upload. it.

So we would see the panic and chaos that would create it. That would spur off. And now everyone would be waiting for that next imminent attack. Then you have that same three-man team travel another to an large metropolitan city, maybe next door to Milwaukee. That would work great. Hit that one as well. Yeah.

And by the way, you're talking about Memphis. A lot of people don't realize that number one, Memphis is, I believe, the biggest air cargo hub in particular for FedEx. FedEx is massive hub. and FedEx even in Greenville, South Carolina, they, you know, you'll hear those big MDs aircraft heading out of Greenville, usually going to Germany. Yeah, no, no, no, not Germany, but to Memphis.

Oh, okay. Yeah, I mean, you also have those going to Germany, but that's more specifically for BMW, but you talk about the MDs that are headed from Greenville to Memphis. But if you just look at and you take out on flight radar, for example, and you look at how many air cargo aircraft are coming into Memphis alone, I mean, it's insane. It is absolutely nuts. So when you talk about communications, you break that down and you talk about whether it be

shipping in all various forms, right? So whether it is by boat, whether it is by air cargo or by semi or tractor and trailer. How much does society depend on those three things? And just can you name some of the things and have in my head, but name some of the things that people would be deprived from, right? But like food. Food. There you go. There's one.

Medicine. How about your insulin? There you go. That can only store for so long. The other critical medications that are relying for cancer patients or people, your high blood pressure medication, things that don't stand well by itself. Food is the biggest one. Technological. So repairs on the grid itself, you're going to have to transport those components.

If they were to attack the electrical grid or the communication grid. Like those components to repair it, the wire, the fiber, the cable, the hubs. the data centers, what have you, cell phone towers and components involved in that. If you're using some unknown zero-day attack or whether it's physical attack on it to get into the communication systems and start physically destroying things from the inside out, how are they going to replace that? How are they going to replace the communication towers? How much of that equipment exists? You know, think about your area, wherever you are, listening to this, how many cell phone towers are within 10 miles of you? now imagine all of them get smoked because it was a cyber attack that was able to overheat the central processors inside

now you can't use your cell phone how many people rely on internet communication or you know or various internet providers are through cellular only you can't call anyone that's out people are going to flood to the internet because it's backbone and it's still hard as long as it works that same team of dudes goes and start snipping the right wires. Now you just went blind. Yeah. You go to the grocery store. Nobody has information. Nobody's talking. How many people still have a radio?

Not many. Like an AM FM radio. Right. Very few. And those like ham radios are yeah, yeah, you don't have. I mean, most people don't have. Yeah, you have to have a license to even have one of those things. Yeah. Well, if you follow the rules. You don't have to have it to have it. You don't have to have a license to own it. You have to have a license allegedly to speak on it.

And I would never advise anyone to break the law in any way. I would never advise them to listen to that because when you go on there, one of the things you have to do is give your call sign. Yeah. Right. That's the first thing you do when you got to get on there. You got to give your call sign. And I'm just saying, you know, which I always thought was weird because for nefarious purposes,

what if someone wrote one of those down and then just used someone else's? Yeah. Seriously. Yeah. So we don't want to do that. You remind me of when I was little. My brother and I had some kind of. thing radio something and we would

I guess we're talking to we're talking to truckers and my call name was roadrunner roadrunner yeah CBs are totally legal to use you don't have to have anything for that they're great but again that comes down to just local communication and has it now what about electricity and all that stuff I mean obviously if you can't pay for the electricity it's going to be turned off

at well not in a situation so not in a national situation if that happened you have a national crisis. You have a national emergency if Memphis goes down or Chicago goes down or Philly, whoever. Like if the communication network has attacked irreparably in just that small area or the hardline internet. I mean, that's a really good attack. You could leave cellular up. Settler would not be able to maintain the demand if you were able to take out the hard lines that feed internet. And that, you know, you can buy the components on Amazon to do that. And listen, to burn right through a line.

Petey, let me ask you something. I used to be pretty heavy into internet stuff back in the day, and I want to even go into details about exactly what I was heavy into. But, you know, let's think about a DDoS tax, right, to where someone floods. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So someone floods packets into a system. Can you tell me like what you're talking about? No, so it's essentially where you overload a system. So here's a good kind of, I guess, basic example.

if a website, for example, has a mass influx of traffic all of a sudden from, say, I don't know, a campaign event and everyone wants to go there or they release some new product or whatever the case may be. And then there are millions of people go on this website. Oftentimes you will see that website go offline because it's just overloaded. Right. So can you do that same thing with cell phone towers or, you know, because if you think about it. 100%. Okay. That's what I was asking.

Because, you know, think about this, right? Have you ever been at a very large event, whether it's a concert or something else? And you try to go live or you try to do something on the internet and you can't because of the fact that that cell phone tower that was trying to transmit all of this data is overloaded. Right. Yeah. So obviously there would be artificial ways to do this in probably, probably in sustained ways that could continue over, you know, however long it is until someone figures out a way to block that transmission, right? Yeah. is that like a should that type of attack be a big concern as far as taking down grids for a certain amount of time for a certain reason?

Well, as long as the communication grids like here and this is the thing, right? It comes down to different rules of what you're prepared to. How long can you last? Can you make it? And this is a good question to ask you. If something like that happens, how long can they maintain it before they're able to fix it? Yeah. So, I mean, that's something you also see in denial of service attacks like that, right?

They're just flooding the flooding the server with them so nobody can get there. Nobody can see it. okay, how long can that actually last? Not long, a couple days, maybe. Usually not even that long. Usually they haven't fixed an hour. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Cellular would be the same way. For an efficient attack on the communication network, you have to look at where that equipment is made. What countries are coming out of? What components? You know, there's smart grid technology, which utilizes different fiber, cellular, and various internet ways,

excuse me, into our electric grid that, you know, is supposed to make life so much easier and better for regulating, you know, the flow of electricity and helping the utilities keep up and helping you maximize and keep the cheapest bill possible and all that kind of jazz. But like we had found out on the West Coast, they were buying bolt components from China. And China had software, primary software on that that allowed them to see everything, have access to everything.

You had communication networks doing the same thing, buying base components, and they're just sending packets of information back to China. Yeah. And so why wouldn't they do like, We did Tyran and leave in a back door where they could overheat that central processor and cook all those units at once. And you would just shut down cell phone networks. You would shut down electric grids on the West Coast. And have you heard, by the way, PD, about the CIA that actually has components and cell phones and all these other potential software or electronic devices?

There has actually been evidence that they have, I guess, I guess you can kind of say curb the market on some of these things. And we're talking about the CIA here. We'll get to that in a bit. But how much microchipping that is in so much of our communication devices or maybe even our cell phone towers come from China or our adversaries at this point. That's the thing to focus on. I mean, that's that's that is kind of the point of the conversation is you have to be ready for that to disappear. You know, you have to be ready for that. Because at the end of the day, when the world is on fire around you, no one is coming to help you.

Yeah. that is a myth that is a myth that will get you and your loved ones killed nobody's coming to help you nobody's coming to save you you're on your own how do you become prepared for that they're very easy first ones physical fitness um you know i'm not saying you got to be a triathlet or anything but be able to walk a couple miles be able to carry something be able to throw a right hook you know um get into something that raises your adrenaline get i i would argue everyone should do some important type of a combative training. Yeah.

I'm a big proponent of like Brazilian jihitsu Muay Thai and Krav Maga. Those are excellent, excellent things because you put hands on someone, someone put hands on you. And if you're not used to that, you'll freeze. Yep. The adrenaline will dump. You won't move and that person's just going to be wailing on your face until you're unconscious.

You have so long to react. You have to be able to be conditioned to deal with that adrenaline dump and react appropriately to the situation. right always be armed and if your condition is at least as best as you can be to deal with an adrenaline dump being armed is a great savior you know we see in movies where it idolizes going hand to hand with multiple people or this guy could you can't two opponents they're just going to smash your head in with a rock yeah that's how that's the reality of it that's why guns are equalizers right it's why firearms are equalizers so why having a blade is a good thing always be carrying always always always be armed and probably that's like it's why guns are equalizers right it's why firearms are equalizers right and it's why Extra ammo. What's that? I said you probably had an extra ammo. Well, I mean, yeah, I have it on you, but at least be armed.

And right now with like the SIG P365s, which I'm not sponsored by, but if they want to, bring it on. Yeah, no. I carry those. I have extras of those. My wife's carry those. You know, I got them when they came out with the 10 rounds, then I got a 12 round, then a 15 round. Now they got the SIGs, uh, Legion models that are, you know, 17 rounds for the X macros.

And it is a tiny weapon. 17 rounds of 9mm in a little bitty package like that is fantastic. Yeah. Yeah, that's be armed. And by the way, I think most people don't realize that in the day's world that we live in, most people think that it's still like, you know, 30 years ago to where it's like if you get in a fight or you get in a situation to where things go Ari, right? Something, something goes south. Most people just think that, you know, you, someone starts shit with you in a bar or,

something happens and you think that you're going to fight your way out of that conflict, there's more people using firearms now than ever before. And say that you do fight this person. Say that you have to fight this person. More than likely, if you get the upper hand, especially if you are trained, by the way, if you were trained in jiu-jitsu or whatever the case may be, and you start beating their ass, if they have a weapon, it's probably going to come out. and so they're you know to your point of of you know the great equalizer is a weapon a firearm or something like that

and and by the way I think you not just can you know I don't think people should just go buy a firearm I'm not having it but you need to be able to be efficient with it because if you're not efficient you're not comfortable with it your own firearm can get you killed faster than any the thing to understand about firearms and in a conflict situation is it is not your gun it is the gun it is a gun it is indefinite it belongs to no one it is whoever has possession of it so if you introduce a firearm into a situation where you're getting your ass kicked you just gave the other guy the gun and we already know he's willing to kick your ass yeah so that's where physical training comes in that's where learning how to handers and and most of it is a mindset to avoid those situations to begin with which is easier than most people you know give it credit for

and then yeah i i absolutely get firearms training there's We live in the peak time for training. There's so many excellent people out there to get you quality firearms training with real world gunfighting experience around the world with situations they've been in. It's amazing. We've never been in a training time like this before. And by the way, you've got to take advantage of it. And I want to advocate for a second real quick and we're about to move on.

But I want to advocate for a second. Like in South Carolina, we just got constitutional carry, which I think is amazing. and I think that it is well deserved and needed and it should have never not been that. But also at the same time, people have to realize just because you have that, I still think you should support the concealed carry instructors out there because they're going to give you knowledge and training. And you can even go beyond the concealed carry instructors. You should. Yeah. 100% should.

Yeah, because. Yeah, that concealed carry is usually just like, hey, we'll get you good enough to where you can pass, right? but there are many more ways. I mean, like I've done law enforcement stuff before. So when you get into situations to where you've got to shoot in all these various different ways from around corners, prone, laying down, you name it. And you're really just trying to get good with your firearm. And then also realizing like your firearm can either be used against you or for you.

And then also how good you are. I'll never forget when I was in law enforcement and doing that. And I said the first time I've, really thought and I was like, you know what, this gun on my side is literally the only way that I might, whether I might live through a situation or die. And when you really think like reality of that, when you're, when you're being put in these situations and you're starting to think the reality of that stuff, you really better know what the hell you're doing.

And you start thinking that through your mind. And most people just buy guns and they think they'll never get in a situation like that. but there's, you know, there's high likelihood chances that people will get in some type of situation, especially with the way the world is going right now to where you may have to at one point in time use your firearm and you better know how to use it. Well, I feel sorry for the people that don't believe in the Second Amendment because I'm sure they don't have firearms. Well, yeah, you'd be, you'd be probably surprised. Let me ask you something, Dave. So this book, right, you have this concept of the book.

how close do you think that we are to a situation to where we're going to need the things that people can read in your book to prepare them for what is to come? I think it is 100%. Really? I think it's 100% in the fact that so books and fiction and including my work, we like to sensationalize it and make it on a grand scale. But the reality is look at any major city that you live in, or not sorry, not you, but the, you know, the universal you, everyone listening. Look at riots that happen to major cities, power grids that go down. It's not all necessarily about being able to protect what you have in your family,

which is the key purpose of being able to protect, right? Making sure they're okay in their life and that they'll make it through to the next thing. It's when shit gets hinky and it goes a little sideways and, you know, it takes a little situation, it takes a little time for the situation to unfuck itself. Yeah. Right? It's going to take longer than we expect.

That's happened to everyone. Whether that's a tire on the side of the road, running out of gas in a bad neighborhood, the power going out for entirely too long. Okay, you didn't need the firearms, but you didn't need the generator. You did need the ready to eat meals. You did have the extra blankets.

You had a radio to hear it was going on. You had a crank generator to be able to power up your cell phones, or you had your generator outside to power your cell phones and help your neighbor. like everybody everybody is going to encounter difficult situations and if you accept the reality that you have to take care of yourself like you are you are your own 911 yeah right so cops show up to bag evidence and clean up the scene they can't stop it nobody it's an after the fact thing is it all the time no but it's 90% of the time so basically that's that's what happens you have you Right. So basically, this book series is not really, it's almost realistic fiction of something that could happen, but it's fiction. And these are ways that you can kind of save yourself.

You're like a scenario. Yeah, it's a scenario book. It's not. So what it is, it's a long time story, but there's pieces of it. So like the main concept, at least the first, let's call it the first act of book one is what would you do if you knew something very bad was coming? Do you even have a plan? Do you have a network of trusted individuals? Do you have a go bag at home if there's a fire or a riot? Do you have a go bag in your vehicle? If you're on the road and it's locked down and there's a protest blockage for whatever ridiculous reason they decide to do that.

And now they're coming down, smashing cars with baseball bats. You got you and your three-year-old in the back. What the hell are you going to do? You just sit there and let them light your car on fire with you and your kid inside. You got to grab your bag. You get to grab your gun. You're going to grab the kid and you're going to start moving. Because in that bag, it's water, there's food, there's money, there's a charger for your cell phone, and there's a map with rally and pickup points.

Which one are you closest to? Yeah. I was just about to ask you, what's in your go bag? And, you know, the reality, too, with that whole situation is it feels like that people have been conditioned over the past four, five, six, eight, ten years. I think it really started with Obama, without being political. but I do think that the that the conditioning of you're not allowed to protect yourself, right? When it comes to the violent people that are out there in the world, whether it is protesters or whether it is whatever the case may be. But they always use the guys of, you know, hey, you're not allowed to react to the people that are breaking your window or trying to pull you out of the vehicle or burning your car down or burning your building down or your house because they are a part of this.

social movement, the social justice movement, right? And very similar to Antifa or Black Lives Matter or whatever, you just name it, right? Name the cause that is the new cause of the day. Because by the way, everybody, we are July 11th. We have elections in November. And November, between now and November, there is going to be, I ensure you, a huge cause that is going to happen. There's something that's going to happen, a false flag event.

I don't know exactly what it will be. I think they thought that the Palestinian thing would go far enough. I don't think it is going to go as far as they wanted it to or needed it to as far as the protests and the riots. And there's not been riots necessarily with the Palestinian stuff as much as the BLM stuff. But what it just feels like to me, PD, that they want to condition you to not protect yourself. They want to condition you to be afraid to protect yourself because if you do, those special prosecutors they have employees. place are going to fry your ass, right? And so there's like a line here, right?

Where is we're not necessarily right now in a Civil War situation or a World War III situation or a massive upturning of events. But we, I believe, are almost like backstage for that right now. We're backstage about to go on the main stage. I think that to run through a couple of those points you ran through that I think are our key there. If you're living in a place with an Uber liberal prosecutor, get a. out. If you don't get out, you're a fool in whatever happens to you, you have coming. Yeah. You've been warned. This is your warning. You know it. If you live there, if you're living

in Philadelphia with that particular DA, you live in Chicago with that entire legal team, if you're living in Milwaukee, if you're living in those areas. And you're like, oh, I defended myself, but now, oh, they're trying to take it. You knew this was always coming. And by the way, you're going to have a better chance of being in that situation in those places. 100%. Avoid it. Avoid it. Leave. Avoid it. Leave. leave because here's the thing if you're forced to defend yourself if you're forced to do this if you're forced to take

another life that everything changes who you were is gone now you're a new person that person forced you to take it I think that's why so many don't understand you see a common common thing going on and talks about our government when are the people going to do something

how much of this are we going to take right like we need to do something it's easy I actually had a conversation with someone about this and then this is exactly what I told them It's easy for this particular person I'm talking to to say that because they're not going to be the one to actually do anything about it. I was like the people that would right now are family men. They've put that piece of themselves to bed. They're trying to live their life.

Should they pick that up, there will be hell to pay. We need to continue the conversation. We need to continue talking. We have to keep talking because the moment we stop talking, violence begins. And violence only ends when we restart negotiations. We restart talking. And if the violence begins, all the men who have found a way in peace and a little bit of tranquility, right? They're going to have to kill the man that they were to become something new and the world will burn because of it.

And PD, do you think that, you know, that's a great point you're bringing up. And I have to stop you on that because when the talking stops, violence begins and you're 100% right. But do you not feel like our own government is trying to stop the talking? I think part of it is, you know, the state that I live in, they're not. You know, my state, state that I live in really went through everything and the unpleasantness with the, you know, the jabs and the COVID and all that nonsense. No problems. Like we just kind of looked at everyone else like, what's wrong with you?

You know, and we moved on. Right now, right now. is the migration. There is a mass migration from communist held areas, oppressive communist areas, to freer areas. And you can see it reflected in home prices

and home values. You can see it in the U-Haul. Like, you know, Tennessee, Texas, Florida is under mass migration. Why is that? Why is everyone flooding to the south? Because they can still live a life.

you can still have your kids in school and be normal. You can still know your neighbors. You can, everything's still friendly and nonsense isn't put up with. And the thing is, you know, in any of those states, if you're doing a road blockage

or you're running up on someone's car, you're going to get smoked. Yeah. That's right. That's going to happen right out of the bat. And they're going to, well, we want,

no one's going to prosecute you because the sheriff is going to be on another person that guy. Yeah. Yeah. And the prosecutor's not going to do anything about it because, you know, they believe in the same way.

No, because you go to church together. You know what I mean? So let me ask you this. So we're talking about some kind of, I wouldn't even say complex things, right? Because we're actually not even talking about like an EMP attack. We haven't talked about it yet. And I do want to touch on that in a little bit. Okay.

But before we touch on that, we got to talk about this, right? You talked about Chicago. You talked about these bigger cities, especially the far left or majorly liberal cities. Mentally ill cities. Yeah, mentally ill. You have a much higher chance of being involved in a situation of exactly what we're talking about. And then the consequences for you defending yourself in those places are very high. And regardless of what, you know, regardless of you were completely in the right or not.

But let's talk about this for a second. You talk about in your first book, right, the event. And you talk about, you know, by the way, what was the event in your first book? I got to read the book. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I agree. And we actually had asked you that and I was like, I don't know how much you want to reveal. But regardless of that, so it's probably what I'm about to say is not the event in your book. But think about this. We have had over, I think there are some numbers that are coming out 10 to, I don't know, there are various numbers. 10 to 17 million people across our border illegally since Joe Biden has been in office alone. And we're talking about these people. I'm not saying all these people because there's, you know, there's, there's never all. of anybody that's bad, right? And that's what I always want to say. There's never all of police that are bad.

There's never all of Democrats are bad. There's never all of Republicans. And there's never all of immigrants are bad, even though they are still technically coming across the border illegally, but whatever. That's neither here nor there. But think about this. So we know that South America and countries around the world are literally releasing all their criminals from prisons and mental institutions.

We know this. Yeah. And they are sending them across. our border. And whereas many of these places, especially in South America, in the Middle East and in various other countries, they have extremely high crime rates. I'm talking about these things, rape, murder, all this stuff. It is rampant.

And now a lot of these people are coming into America. How likely do you see an event that takes place from either a terrorist organization that's coming across our border or I mean we're already by the way we're already seeing the localized issues such as rape murder of young girls there's so many instances of this I mean we've had New York City police officers attacked we've had multiple police officers attacked being a police officer in America now is more dangerous than it's ever been because we don't know who a lot of these people are we don't have criminal records of them you can't run them through the NCIC because they're not registered

The NCISA does not pull up your felony offenses or whether you murdered a police officer in Brazil or Middle East or whether you are in ISIS. I mean, it just doesn't pull that shit up. So police officers are even more blind today than they've ever been. But just think about that. Yes, these are police officers are blind. But now you as a citizen of the United States for the United States listeners. And it's not just United States. If you're from Ireland.

Yeah, if you're from Ireland, Oregoners. Yeah. Ireland, Europe, wherever. you are more at risk now than you've ever been in this country that since you've been born. There's no question about that. All right. So,

PD, how, uh, here's the two questions. How advanced could people be that are coming across our border, whether it be from China. We know that we have a lot of Chinese nationals that are coming across. I mean,

we're talking about thousands, by the way. And when we talked about earlier about the disruption of communications or maybe even power grids, we haven't talked about power grid yet. But how, advanced and then how localized could things be to affect our lives between, I don't know, even say just now in November, right?

I mean, we're talking about the reality of the potential of mass terror attacks, but also infrastructure attacks with the people that are coming across. What is your thoughts on that? I think it's a 100% likelihood. Yeah. Yeah. And the reality is police may be more blinded to it, but he was a. civilian and that matters.

You matter as a civilian, right? You always hear the thing that, you know, the cop has to go home at the end of the night. So do you. Yeah. Right. So do you. It's a, it's a, I've trained an unbelievable amount of law enforcement. Um, and it was always interesting because I'd hear the guys say that.

And I'd be like, you know what? The guy you're stopped, he gets to go home to. And he'd be like, oh yeah, but, but what? You're the one of the gun to his head. He just sit a in there. Yeah. Right. It's a, it's a, it's a.

weird, weird situation and the, you know, it's not talked about enough, but it's a 100% likelihood. These things are already happening. Little girls are getting raped and murdered under bridges for hours at a time, right? They're raped for hours and then they're brutally murdered. That happened. All right. Cops are attacked in the street. That happened.

We make a big deal. Here's one for you. How many people have been attacked that they're not talking about because they weren't a cop. Yeah. How many women have been sexually assaulted? A lot. In New York. Are these people?

Yeah. How many is going on in Ireland right now? It's unbelievable. England's unbelievable. France is in full on turmoil. And this is where it comes down to it. You have to be in a situation in a place that you can better prepare yourself, right? You don't get to pick the time of the event, but if you're lucky, you can try and pick the location.

Yeah. Maybe. Maybe. And maybe not the specific location, but the general location, the area, the state, the place that will let you defend yourself, allow you to defend yourself, provide you with the resources. is the train to be able to do these things. And then it's just getting past the middle block or being willing to do it. If you're not willing to leave an area because, well, my salary here's, okay, well, that's the end of the conversation.

We're done now. You've been warned. If the fire is coming down the mountain and you live in a wood cabin and your neighbors, hey, buddy, get your wife and kids in the back of my truck, I'll get you down the hill. Nah, I don't think it's going to get here. All right, I'm leaving. You were warned. Yeah.

I don't want to hear anyone crying to me about their family lost in a tragic. fire and their cabin went up and everything they have is now gone because he somebody that was there they warned you it's what do you get to do about it and people people love to put the insurmountable odds they can't do anything about it you can you absolutely can yeah yeah i mean i've heard more people say well you know uh i don't know if it happens i guess we're just screwed i mean yeah they've been warned so pd you're saying you know people basically have to be physical fit, they have to have weapons, and I think you are kind of getting on to, you have to go bag. Well, you know, it doesn't have to be anything crazy, right?

Like for the countries that have given up their freedoms to defend themselves, you can still snake a knife on you. And the thing is, knives really don't require all that much training. The movies would believe us other things. You use a knife to cut a stake all the time. You understand the concept. Do you understand a flow pattern and where arteries are and how to do it? You know where a neck is.

You know where the groin is. Poke holes in both of them until they stop. That's the best advice anyone can get with one of those. But the difference is if a knife versus a gun, a gun is a weapon of intent. A knife is an extension of your will. So that's a thing. Yeah. And by the way, most people do not realize, I mean, like I was just talking about.

And I wasn't meaning to say to go bag. I mean, your go out. Yeah, go back. Yeah. So to reference that. Yeah, so that, so to reference that, that's more of advanced. Like, if I were telling you to do something, get two weeks of food in your home that you would eat, that if you wouldn't leave your house for two weeks, you're good to go and be very serious about it. Keep extra bottle water, even if you have a filter at home, which you should definitely have filters at home.

They're not expensive. Soyer sells amazing filters because what we've seen going on with water supplies, water issues, that is always a serious threat. in Nashville they had a flood and I think it was 2012, 2013 somewhere in there and the water treatment facilities went down so they had everyone on a boil. If you had water filtration,

then you didn't have to worry about it, but not everyone did, so they were having to boil water. If you're also resources are being constrained because of power or whatever, maybe boiling is not the easiest thing. Have a water filter.

Have a little bit of food on hand. Things that you eat, nothing ridiculous. Don't go buy the survival food for the next millennium or whatever. You're not, you're going to hate it. Get the canned stuff that you like. Cans last a long time. Dried food lasts a long time.

Get the sauces. It doesn't have to be crazy. You know, just two weeks is a regular thing. A bag in your car, like a go-be-well, an vehicle emergency bag is one thing. A go-bag is another thing. A go-th bag is, I have one for every member of my house. If something were to happen here, everybody grabs their bag.

We can leave the house. I don't have to come back. It has identification. It has money. It has bank records. It has maps of where we need to go, places that are safe that we can go to. Every bag has cash in it. So if I'm on the road in the vehicle, I can pay cash to get things.

One of the most important things you can have in your roadside safety bag in your go bag, whatever you have with you is cash. Small denomination cash, $500 minimum of small denominations. One's, five, tens, tens, 20s. nothing bigger than a 20 let me ask you $500 would keep you at a hotel or wherever for a couple days just one bag right yeah PD let me ask you do you think you know I know we've talked about you know like foreign adversaries and and and and all these possible hacking attempts but but what happens when the government goes rogue they go tyrannical they go dictatorship and they say, well, we got to, we got to bring the hammer down.

These, these people are done. And we are now a new North Korea. And you guys are done, right? You're done. We don't give a shit. What happens when it's your own government, right? I mean, how do you prepare differently? And is there a difference in plans?

Because I think, I think that the weird thing about what's going on today and all the emails and all the messages we get, you know, yes. obviously people are worried because Joe Biden in his current state is very fragile, right? I mean, he obviously is not actually running the country. Many people are worried about, you know, it's just like Peter Ducey asked him or ask Keon John Pierre or whatever her name is in a press conference the other day. It says, what happens if a nuke is coming over like 11 or 12, you know, 11 or 12 at night? Are you waking Biden up?

And then she's like, well, we have a team. I mean, you know, these are the things. that people are worried about. But what happens when the government is who actually turns against you, do you prepare differently? And how does that scenario play out in your mind? Because, you know, if you think back on what we, what I initially said, I said, you know, your books, you know, has some of the civil war scenarios.

Yeah. I mean, well, it deals with what in a civil war, say our government is the problem in a civil war happens. Your number one threat to your day to day is not the government. it's your neighbor and that's what they want any civil conflict no matter how big or how small

the most dangerous thing is not the terrorist at the other end it's not any of that it's the other people around you yeah what are they going to do the other the other apex predators

with eyes facing forward that have lived a very long time you got to understand when you see every person and it's kind of a joke but it's kind of not every person around you that you see every day is a killer because they are the peak of their entire lineage to survive.

Yeah. They are survivors at heart. Everybody is. Everybody walk in the earth right now, you made it. Your ancestors made it. You're pumped with those genes. Everybody's a threat. And some are less than others, by the way, like Harry's system.

True, some or less. But that's another thing is to underestimate is to your own detriment because you never know. You know, one of the most dangerous men I know just looks like a, you know he's 5-7 pretty unassuming has a pretty nerdy job and the guy is a killer yeah i know 100% i thought you were talking about chad no no this guy's no not me no my brother my brother's not a big dude yeah my brother is not a big dude well he's probably about 57 too well no i i i'm sorry i think he's 5 9 sorry jenn 5 9 yeah sorry now he's gonna kill me No, my brother, though, I mean, he was Marines.

You know, he, he was, I'm not even going to go into all the stuff he did in the Marines, but yeah, he's, he's one of those dudes, you know, he might just see him on the street and you're like, oh, he's whatever. Yeah. Now, he will, he will murder a lot of people if he has to for his self-defense, right? Yeah. It's, so it's, it's always the people around you and how are they going to behave and what are they going to do. That's always the threat, right? It's the chaos. And it's honestly the chaos of the unprepared.

Right. That's why they go into panic. That's why they go into fear because the sky is in fact falling. They don't know what to do and they're going to run to the people they think have it together. Yep. And then what do you do when they show up? Like it's that's always the problem. And even in political situations, like you're talking about the government and political,

what should they turn against us? Honestly, that goes back to you should be living in the proper state already. Yeah. You know what I mean? If you're living in a far left state, like if you're living in Michigan after what that governor just pooled with those men right backed by the FBI and the state troopers backing it up with all that law enforcement throwing in behind him and nobody did anything to the contrary you got a problem PD I got to ask you a question that our good friend Nathan Jones asked and he wanted me to ask you

about this although this is civil war related and I don't know if you've done any research on this But so Nathan has said, we think civil war was about slavery, right? And to his point, it was it was kind of like the last war that Americans supposedly wasn't lied to to start or to create, right? Yeah. And I guess obviously when people think about this, the civil war, I mean, a lot of people, if you really look through the lineage of our wars and you look at how many times we have been lied to to go to war. well civil war is one of those things that a lot of people say well we weren't lied to about the civil war have you ever researched or looked into any conspiracy theory like other reasons it's not a conspiracy i mean it is a conspiracy of the civil war

yeah yeah no uh everyone's been lied to about the history of the civil war the south today stays under occupation of the north um it was not about slavery if it was about slavery, the North would have outlawed slavery, which they didn't. They maintain slaves after the war. They immediately conscripted. An excellent book to read is the South was right. That would be the one to go to to get that, like the truth of Abraham, the truth of Abraham Lincoln, the truth of the generals, the truth of the war in the South from an actual historical perspective. It's by James Ronald Kennedy and Walter Donald Kennedy.

It's a fantastic book. It will bog you down. It's not a light read. But yeah, no, it wasn't. It was about economics. Economics, okay. He actually kind of mentioned that. So explain that a little bit.

What was the economics about it? Taxation, the wealth that was building up in the South, because of the agrarian base, we weren't a manufacturing base at the time in the South. They were growing cotton. They were growing tobacco. They were making lots of money shipping that overseas. They didn't like the tax coming down from the, north they didn't like the oppression the rules again everything comes down to tax right like

why was america founder we didn't like the tax why did the south go didn't like all the taxes and restrictions coming down and felt that you don't get to tell us and here's the thing and this is the truth of it if we were a union if the united states was truly a union a union is voluntary not mandatory yeah you should be able to leave a union if you cannot leave a union then you are held at force by gunpoint and the atrocities that happened to the South as a result of that is unbelievable. It is unbelievable. The reason slaves were freed in the South was to try and hurt the South economically. It wasn't a human right issue like they would love to paint it. In fact, if you look into Lincoln's opinions on African Americans, it is not

favorable. They're not, no one in history is a great guy. The washing of it afterwards is atrocious, the things that had happened, the carpet baggery, the pillaging, the, you know, Sherman's march. The South captured, you know, Washington. They marched in and took it and then gave it back because they didn't want to. They just, listen, we're going to be us, you, let's go on our way. Let's stop this. But there's so much media and spin after that. And not only that, there is still a cultural war against the South.

show me one show where the southern character isn't portrayed as a moron. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Or imbred or backwood or any of the, it's in. You'll find people who have never left New York who believe themselves to be very cultured, who don't pronounce their ours. We'll tell you all about the South and they've never left this, you know, 16-mile chunk of island. Yeah, and that's the thing.

I mean, obviously slavery was bad, right? And, and, you know, and slavery of any human, but here's thing, every, every race somewhere in their history has been a slave. Yeah. Slavery. And if they care, if anybody talking about it still cared about slavery today, why are you not in Northern Africa right now demanding human rights? Why are you not in Saudi Arabia? Why are you not in India? Why are you not in China?

Slavery is actively going on. If you care about the slavery of only black people, they're still sold at auction stands in Africa by their captors. Hmm. Yeah, I mean, this still goes on. And there's more slaves today than there were then. Exactly. That's what I was going to say. I mean, and most people don't realize the, I mean, although, you know, you look at, I guess, the Hollywood depiction of slavery, right?

And, and I'm not saying, by the way, that KKK, which is, by the way, founded by the Democrats, I'm not saying that that was not horrific, right? I mean, the hanging of blacks or whatever the case may have been. horrific, right? But you also have some of these old head blacks that say like, you know, Jesse Lee Peterson, for example, he is huge out there. I don't know if anybody ever watched him. And I, when I first started watching Jesse Lee Peterson, I was like, holy shit, this dude is the most racist black guy I've ever seen.

Like, he has the most racist black guy in the world. But he also makes a lot of good points on some aspects, right? And it's not to say slavery is good because it, absolutely is not whatsoever. No, it's not good. But he was basically just saying that after slavery, these black people continue to live, they continue to live and work on the plantations.

Yeah, because they had, they had money. They had the things they needed. They had a family environment. But just at least Peterson's biggest thing was the civil rights movement was the worst thing never happened to blacks. Because he said that that's when the government controlled them. and so whereas you took him out of slavery in a field, right? Then you put them back into slavery in some other almost like sciop way,

which is like, hey, make sure that you guys sign up for our benefits and then therefore we can then control you further. And then also we're going to control you also with our legal system, our justice system, all these other things. We're going to imprison you. We're going to do all these things. And then we're also going to get you to vote for us, the same people. We're going to get you to vote for us.

but we're also going to imprison you. And so there's a lot of, there's a lot of various concepts there. PD, what is your thoughts there right now as far as how close are we to an actual civil war? And we're, and we're talking about, look,

we got November elections, 2024 coming up. Do you think that the elections coming up in 2024 are going to be fair? Do you think or do you think that is going to be, a complete shit show. And even if, even if it was like very obvious that the elections are stolen, just say that it was obvious.

Election are stolen. Biden's still in. He cannot even speak at all. I mean, and by the way, while we're recording this, he is having the big boy press conference, which we are missing.

I don't know what the hell he's saying there. Maybe he's saying we're going to war with the Russia or, right, or maybe Mexico. Who knows? It depends on what he says. But, do you think that, you know, if Biden gets in, it's very obvious, is stolen or whatever,

and then whoever opposes the results become domestic terrorists, according to the intelligence agencies, how does this all play out in your mind? I mean, have you thought about that concept? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's something I've thought a lot about. I think if Biden wins, there is no civil war. The government will continue to ratchet down, but it won't happen. It'll become a state's rights issue.

you'll see states taking a stance against the federal government. And that will broil. Like when we look back on the American Civil War of past, we can count all these events and be like, man, it didn't. It took, you know, 25 years. It took time to boil up to that. It was a lot of slights. Granted, we're definitely moving at warp speed,

but it's still going to take time. The only way I see it happening quickly is if Trump gets in. If Trump gets in, the blue states will be the first ones to try and succeed. And the crazy thing is they'll have fighting within those states. Because here's the thing like Colorado. Colorado was the first state to try and remove Trump from the ballot. Nobody saw that coming. Nobody called that.

Nobody picked. Everyone thought it was going to be New York or California, maybe Washington or Oregon, some one of the traditional liberal bluies, you know, Massachusetts, whatever. nobody saw Colorado taking such a drastic step. And I think that's how it's going to play again. I think if Trump wins, you're going to see maybe it'll be Michigan or Wisconsin. That'll be like, uh-uh, we're leaving.

We're succeeding. And then everyone else will work up the courage. Yep, we're going with them. We're not longer one country, blah, blah, blah. Granted, we're not one country. We're 50. That's if you get into the foundation of our country. We are 50.

we just stay together as a union. But anyway, that's where it's really good to play. And so say it is, you know, just for sake of argument, say it's Colorado. Okay, Denver, you want to leave. The rest of Colorado is not going to feel that way. The county maps will tell you that. The places with population density tend to go left, you know, because they're the modern Sodom and Gomorres of those urban areas.

So what happens with those other people? Why do they have to go along with it? Well, I mean, they don't. So what happened? Exactly. They either go along with it or they move. Or they don't. The moving time is a little,

little late. You're already there. You're stuck there. And there's, and that's where the reality is, certain amount of people aren't going to. Let me refresh that. If you live in an urban area,

even in a blue state, if you live in an urban area anywhere, get out of it. Get out of the city. Get out of the city. If you live in a rural area, even if it's in a blue state, depending on how rural it is,

you'll probably be okay. because when this comes down, California, like let's just take California. California is a massive state. Huge. It is, you know, physically huge. Most of that state doesn't just go along with the capital. It doesn't go along with whatever, you know, Sacramento says to do. It doesn't go along with, you know, the tech money and Silicon Valley and all the people that they're buying.

The people who work the jobs that maintain all those things, they are not believing and living what the billionaire say. No, they don't. You know, same thing in L.A., same thing in Hollywood. I mean, most of those people are all sick of fans, psychopaths, sociopaths, and, you know, child rapists. So it doesn't really care about that. But if you live in, like, San Diego County, going further out towards the desert, you're probably more of an independent person who's just trying to stay out of there and wishes they'd get things normal, right? If you're in truly northern California, not central California. I know everyone in San Francisco.

We're in the north. You're not. They don't feel the way everyone else does. Some of these states are a little too big. The population has gone up. These are things that will have to be dealt with. Like if you look at Colorado and that breakaway, what I mean, Denver definitely,

tell you ride probably goes left. You know, some of your resort towns will be left. But who's actually there, the people who work there, who vote there, who live there, they vote red.

Yeah. You know, so Denver, we're taking the state. No, you're just taking Denver. Yeah. And our podcast,

by the way, I mean, with the shit we talk about. I mean, don't get me wrong, our Trump podcast or whatever, get less downloads than our other stuff. But if you look at our podcast in general, with the stuff we talk about, about the government, conspiracies, corruption, all this stuff. Our number one state is California. Our number one. Yeah.

And I was a little bit off on it, especially when we did the Las Vegas shooting and we're talking to that guy. He's like, there are more Republicans in California than you know. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, yeah. There's 100% more. And I thought it was all Democrats. And listen, so Sherry and I were, Jerrymandering of the state. Exactly.

And Sherry and I were planning last summer, I think it was. I said, you know, hey, let's do a live show. And if we're going to do a live show, where do we go? Well, let's look at our numbers, right? Let's look at our numbers where the majority of our listeners are. And obviously, you can, you can break it down by cities, states, countries, so on. And so if you break it down by state, it is California. if you break it down by our most listeners in one particular city or county is Los Angeles

County which is crazy. Wow. Crazy, right? And so we said if we were going to do a live event to where we wanted to make sure that if we say that we booked a 5,000 person venue, right, or whatever it was, that we're going to sell it out or a 3,000 person venue, even though that, right? Los Angeles is where we were going to do it. And that's what's insane.

So, P.D., are you saying that what would happen if, let's just say, Trump came into office and then we have this clash of people within states, that would be where the wars would start? Yeah, it's going to be neighbor against neighbor. You know, the federal government's going to get eaten up in there on either side. But they're not truly the issue. I mean, right now they are because the rule of law is it. and we're all still playing by those rules. I mean, at any time, things can go sideways. Right now, we know that the FBI has been weaponized.

The court system, federal court system has been weaponized. You stand no chance. You need to treat it like I did. My wife and I, a few years ago, we went to California, we went to San Diego for a business thing. And we drove, we took the kids. We're like, hey, let's make an extended vacation. And, you know, took them to the Redwoods, took them all across,

I took them to San Francisco, took them to Monterey Bay, took them out to the beach, and then we drove back to the northern half of the country, you know, through Wyoming, Nebraska, all that jazz. But while we were in San Diego,

we were in Old Town, San Diego, and we were getting picked up. No, I'm sorry, we just got dropped off to go to an event because they were shuttling us around, and this is several years ago, maybe, let me think, five, six years ago,

six years ago. So it wasn't as it wasn't where it is now, right? And we're in the old town and we're doing our thing and, you know, I have less children than at that time. So we're walking around and we just get a costage straight out, you know, pushing the cart. My wife is because when we're out, you'd think I'm an absolute heel. But my wife always pushes the kids. I always keep my hands. I'll carry the kid on my chest or my back or whatever like that or the diaper bag.

If we have that, I'll absolutely, but my hands always stay free. Yeah. And this woman comes out of nowhere. And, you know, I spend my diaper bag around in there. I got my self-defense tool. Oh, my gosh. I can see. This is like a movie to me.

Oh, yeah. Like, it's, it's like, and this is how it's going down because the weapon I have, I shouldn't have. The rounds that I have, I shouldn't have. Allegedly. Right. Allegedly. It's all alleged. And allegedly, we had a plan that have said, and this is where having a plan and having a partner you can plan with comes out.

Because my wife immediately. knew what to do. She zipped around beside me, took the far angle and started moving, right? And I'll catch up. I was able to de-escalate with this lady and get her to walk off in her state. And she did. And that's great. That's great. She put down her, it looked like a, you know, like the steering of a bicycle, but just like the, yeah. But anyway, and just kind of wandered off. And I went and caught up with my wife. But had something else had to go that way, I would tell you this. I'm not sticking around. I'm not going to go through a California prosecution in that system. I'm not going to do time for every alleged round that may or may not be in that tool.

Like my wife and I will be in our car and in 24 hours, I'll be two states away. Yeah. You know, you want to, you want me? Let's figure it out. Let's see if my sheriff will arrest me and send me to you. Let's see if you will. Consider and I know him, I doubt it. That's the thing is where you're going to be.

And unfortunately, those people there live under that tyranny. the tyranny that your life is worth less than their scumbag voters because they move the plantation from workers and they have transmuted it into the plantation of votes. And that's why they're bringing in so many people from other countries that they can try and farm votes from. And they can do that. Because the ones they were farming votes from have realized at least part of this game is not rigged in their favor.

And their life is getting infinitely worse. I agree. And I think as far as what you're, we're saying about people being prepared. I think that's another way that people need to be prepared is to be aware of their surroundings because that's another thing that Chad taught me. I, before I met Chad, I was never aware of anything. Like, I go to the grocery store.

I just look at the grocery store, go in, you know, never pay attention to anything around me. But, you know, after I got married to Chad and he made me aware of why you have to be aware of your surroundings, I think it's very important that you are because that can stop something from happening before it happens. No, I have a, I will tell you this, I have a mental F up. I don't even think it's a mental F up. It's almost like PTSD or some weird shit in my mind to where everywhere I go.

It's anxiety, actually. It is. It's based on things I've kind of been through or experienced or whatever. We won't go into those things. But when I'm in any location, any place, anywhere, and sure you always knows, I will, if we go, which I don't go to concerts very often. I don't do any of that shit very often. But if we do, I always am in a non-comprised location.

Where you can get out. Yeah, we can get out. I know how to protect you. I know what the closest, you know, cover is. I know where we're going, how we're doing it. Who's most likely I'm always scanning everybody. I'm scanning people that I feel like are, you know, potentials for their something's not right there.

I'm always looking at those things. And I feel like it's kind of a game, right? It's kind of a game. It's like, pick out. It's like where's Waldo, but like where's the terrorist or where's the asshole that's going to shoot up something? Or where's the dude that's going to do some crazy shit?

But I think it's important to be like that. And not only are you like that. I'm like that now. Now you are, yeah. Yeah. But I used to never even care. I was just like every human being going to the grocery store, you know, just not caring about anyone around me.

Sherry, what else do we do in our house, though? Oh, we practice scenarios in our house all the time. Like, if there are break-ins, where would, we used to do that with our daughter when she was in elementary school. Like, where would you hide? Where would you go? What would happen? You know, we, and we play these things out.

And Chad would be like the bad guy. Yeah. And I would say, if I'm the bad dude, even though I know the setup of the house, but like, I want to not be able to kill you. And so we practice various scenarios. And so. So, so, and that's going back to, by the way, PD's point of, you know, adrenaline, adreneline dumps, though, like when, when you're not ever prepared for that.

So say that something happens. You're like, holy shit. This is actually happening. Yeah, you're still going to have an adrenaline dump, right? But it's going to be less because you have prepared for this and you know that, hey, you, you got to, you have to entrust in those people that, hey, this plan is going to work. And, and, and the very least, even if it didn't work. They at least don't have confidence in the plan.

Yeah, at least you have a plan. And like you said, you have a plan of where to meet up, meet up, and, you know, all that. Yeah. Yeah. So a good thing. Have you guys, do you guys know who Gavin DeBekker is? Yeah, I know. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah, he wrote a book called Gift of Fear. And what you were talking, they're scanning is your subconscious is roll of running what's called pre-incident indicators. Yeah. And because when bad things happen, when you talk to those people, they knew it was coming. Yeah. There's usually enough signs like, oh, that vehicle passed me twice.

I wonder why I didn't clock that. You did clock that. And people will put being kind or professional. And that just shows the nature of society is a good thing, generally, before their own self-preservation. And it's a great book. Women should definitely read the gift of fear. My wife has read it. All the women in my life have read it.

And men should, too. It was one of the things that helped me really understand the differences. It's going to sound stupid. and there's plenty of jokes that could be made. The difference between a man and a woman. Like when a man goes on a date with a woman for the first time, his greatest fear is he's going to make a fool of himself. And when a woman goes on a date, her fears, I hope I don't get hurt.

That is such a difference. Yeah. You know, until you're faced with it, you're like, whoa, we're living in a different world. Yeah, yeah, no, self-awareness, a proper mindset. Those are a huge thing. Oh, yeah. And another thing, that's 90.

percent of it. I think Chad knows everyone's vehicle in our neighborhood. I'm not kidding. He knows where it belongs, when it comes, when it goes. And like you were saying, if, you know, if a vehicle goes past our house a couple of times, he's aware. He's like, Sherry, did you just see that? Let's walk.

You know, I'm like, oh, my gosh. I do. I'm sorry? No, go ahead. As I say, but have you had neighborhood barbecues yet to get to know each of the people who own the cars? No, we have not. But I know regardless, because I'm.

I'm always, I'm always, if when we walk, I, every single house we walk by, I look. I, I have a photographic memory to an extent, right? If someone tells me their name, for example, I will never remember, never in a million years. If you have a freaking nameplate on your shirt, I'll remember your name, right? And so I'm visual. I'm very visual learner, not learner, but I guess I am visual learner. So if I can see it, I remember it. And I will not forget it.

and I'm best at cars and vehicles. I know, like if I've seen that vehicle before, I will recognize it immediately. He knows every vehicle at my, well, at school now, who it belonged to,

what teacher it was, what grade they were in and everything. Yeah. And I've even told Sherry at times there was a vehicle that I did not recognize. And I would be like, hey, there's a vehicle.

And I was like, there's a car outside of your place. And I was like, oh yeah, so and so just got a new car. Yeah. I was like, who is this?

Like, who is this? And the reality is, is like, I'm not telling everybody to be that psycho, right? Because I don't even mean to be that psycho, but it's also, we have to understand the world we're living in. And listen, there's people out there that can say, look, I know, regardless, if I die, I'm going to heaven. So that's all the matters. Heaven, right? And that's fine.

We can go to heaven. But we can also live a little longer on earth. Right. And I think the one thing that, you know, biblically they teach you is like people in the Bible are not people that were just pushovers. There was a lot of people in the Bible that were pushovers. And it shows what the result of the being a pushover is in the Bible. But it also shows the warriors in the Bible. And I think that what we're leading into, the era we're leading into.

And PD, you can correct me if I'm wrong, we're in a warrior mentality nowadays. and you better be yeah you have to be and I'm pretty sure the good man himself said sell your cloak and buy a sword right there's something to that and for all the people say well I'm just going to go to heaven and it's going to be what's going to be

you have fun at crime scene being when Big Bad Joe brings you back with 10 of his best friends and they get started for the next three days all right it's not going to be crime scene A where it's just over those people watch too many movies and too many delusions why don't you see how the cartel when they sick and rip people apart with dogs for fun, for sport.

They grab them off the street, throw them out and sick dogs on them to see how long the person can fight them off. Or strap them down to see which piece of them the dog rips off first. You know, the little girl who got taken to crime scene being under a bridge. They're like, well, I'll just be with the Lord in heaven. I guess, you know, it's just not worth it. Yeah. It's one thing to say that. It's because you're uneducated and you're unaware.

It's not necessarily your fault. But now that you've been told, it is your fault. Educate yourself. If you got to go, I agree. Go at crime scene A. Go down swinging. My wife and I, when she was pregnant with our first child, we had an altercation in a northern city with a group of young urban men. And for legal reasons, I'm going to keep vague.

You have to be willing to, just the willingness to fully commit, that willingness to fully commit that I will die here and take as many of you as I can. You know, she's pregnant. She was seven months pregnant then. You know, she's slipping off her shoes getting behind a car. I'm bottlenecking them between two cars. I'm like, all right, this is the moment. This is how I go out. That's okay.

Whatever in that was enough to turn the tide of the event. Yeah. Right? And we both got out of there. So. But you got to be willing in your mind to feel that way. You got to know it. And like you said, ready and prepared.

And I think like you said, ready and prepared. it's so smart for you to tell people to take self-defense classes. And I'm guilty of that. I need to be doing that. Well, you do do that with me all the time. Well, I do. And I have, you know, I've been in karate and things like that. But I did, yeah, so I did jihitsu for a very long time.

I did Akito. Yeah, I know it. Yeah, Sherry and I spar all the time. And where are we used to a lot. And so Sherry, Sherry would have bruises. Like, Sherry would have bruises. I would have bruises, too, by the way. Oh, yeah.

And Sherry is extremely strong. Sherry is strong as shit. And by the way, if I ever go into a fight, right, and Sherry's on my back, you know, I feel confident if I'm going to get jumped and I think I've trained Sherry a decent amount. I mean, and she's been in karate as well, but the jihitsu stuff, like we have grappled. We do this. Using your body weight. Yeah, we, but not just that.

I mean, I, we've just went through every scenario. Yeah, that's a keto. Yeah. But more specifically. you know, we've grappled. And, you know, I, I always do that with Sherry. And I, and I always do that with Sherry because I'm always like, look, I know, like, I know how to get you in positions to where you're not going to get out of. But then I'm trying to tell her, like, here's how you get out of these positions.

You put your chin down so you can breathe. And most criminals, by the way, are not jujitsu people. They're not, they're not trained. They're not trained at all. No. And so if I can teach her, the things that, at the very least, like, the basic stuff I know. At least she's going to know how to potentially get out of it. Yeah.

And we do that often. I mean, we do it. We grapple. We get on the ground and I'm like, hey, let's do this. And I'm, we're decently rough, right? I mean, we're decently rough. And but I think you kind of got to be. I think you got to get used to like, hey, be tough.

Somebody being rough on you. Yeah, be tough. You have to know what it's like. And it's important. And it's a weird thing to say, but it is important for women to understand. understand like the difference and the physicality of what a man can do. Right. And just having a-

Not even a big man. You know what I mean? Just having that feeling of being choked by an arm and that feeling of like, oh my God, you know, how do I get out of that? I got to think and what am I going to do? And by the way, I, you know, back in law enforcement days, like I worried if I ever came on a dude, right, that was like 170. Like I would, I would size him up a lot differently than if I came up and do this.

like 250 because that 170 dude you're you're going to get more problems from him than you're going to get from 250 and bigger bigger men tend to fall harder yeah and fall harder yeah well i mean that i have a lot of experience that so i don't know that how true that is i know it's a fun thing to say uh but i've noticed like large powerful men they tend to be pretty compliant because you learn and i'm a huge dude uh you know i'm six three and a half two 80 so you learn when you're younger, you know, I was six foot in like sixth grade. You learn that if you throw a temper tantrum,

there's an immediate consequence. Yeah. People freak out. They will call the cops at school. You will scare people. And that's ingrained so much. And you get some of the smaller guys that that's never a thing. They're allowed to kind of be that, you know,

we call the little man syndrome or whatever. And they throw those, they throw the hisy fits and they're getting wild because everyone just, nah, the cops on them. And so they're more prone to fight it out. It's kind of like a buddy of mine who's a bounty hunter? And I was joking with him. I was like, so who's the worst people? He's like, small white women. He's like what? He's like preferably five three and under. I was like, what? He's like, I had one break my arm in two places. They're like you're kidding me. He's like,

he was over at DUI and she missed court. And she was out. She was out. So I had to go get her. He's like, I never fought no one like that. Well, that was just because she was so pumped on fear of the unknown versus like a regular criminal or someone who's who's been forced to have to deal with the system. You know, it's that it can do amazing things. And that's, I think, an important point is you never really know, right? You never really know. So it's. Yeah.

And the thing about big guys is like, you know, you can, for me anyway, if I have like a 300 pound dude, 270, right? They always usually think 370 or sorry, 270. They're just going to kill someone that's like 180. Right. But the reality of that is, like, I will crawl all over them until I get them in that chokehold or that arm bar or whatever it is that I got to do. And, and the reality, too, is like, if I'm against someone else that's 180, that is the same trained. Like, let's let's just put this, for example, if I have a guy that is, I don't know, say 280. And I have a dude that is 180.

I would rather fight the 280 guy that is exactly. tire out faster. No, but that is exactly as same trained as the 180 guy. I would rather fight the 280 guy all day because I feel like I have the advantage. I can tell you that that is the most unique opinion. I have never heard that. Really? I feel like that.

I have never heard that. Do you know what I'm thinking about right now? I'm thinking about Habib. Yeah. Well, okay. So, yeah, Habib would. I mean, he's great on the ground. I think Habee would be the same thing.

And I'm not heavy, by the way. Well, one of the things I know, like, so I try not to give too much of myself out there, but I used to train advanced SWAT classes for law enforcement. I also did private training for military contractors and some SF guys. So one of the things, bro. I'm just kidding. No, no, no. It's, I mean, I have an entire dojo. Oh, nice.

So you guys come out. Well, we can roll. We should. But one of the things is, like back in the, I also under school with my friends many minutes ago. And one of the things we would have is we'd have a second counter on the clock. Yeah. Right.

Like that, I would guess if you were an officer, you were a patrol officer. Am I correct? Yeah. Well, yeah, basically. Yeah. So that is a patrol officer thought pattern that I've encountered before. And the reason for that is, is when you wear that uniform and badge, it's not one guy. you're technically willing to fight the entire U.S. government.

It actually weighs a lot. Whereas if you're just a dude on the street with another guy in no uniform, someone is more likely to run over and kick you in the head and help out of the guy they don't know. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. So we'd always have a counter and it would be random. It was, you know, anywhere from two seconds to six seconds, never more than six.

If you're on the ground with someone during a drill or sparring, one of the instructors would come over and kick you in the head. Yeah. because what are you doing down there? Cizzo King. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

And the other thing is like rolling is great, but have you ever rolled with knives tucked into your belt like the stunners? Yeah. Well, no, I mean, listen, listen. And Dave, it's one of those things that it's just, it's always best. And that's where the firearm, I think, is always the greatest strength because it allows you distance from a situation, whether to walk away from the situation or

in the situation. But it allows you to control the distance. And if you control the distance, you control the fight. Have you seen the videos? of the guys that are saying, you know, Jiu-Jitsu is, let me not say this in a bad way, but they do say,

Jiu-Jitsu is gay because you're just going to roll around. It's super gay. Yeah, but they say, do jesus is gay because you're rolling around and you're susceptible. Isn't that what most police are trained under is just as two? There's a lot of cops. It's on the state and it's parts of it. Yeah.

Yeah. And Akito too. Yeah, unfortunately. And that's, there's a counterbalance, right? And so, you know, all right, so to Pedi's point, though, you know, when you're on the ground and, and you have the situation where, yeah, someone could come and kick you right in a freaking face. And I've seen it done before. Yeah. And there, I mean, listen.

I've done it. Yeah. There are tons. Like, if you get a street fight, you better be prepared for their friends to come in. Oh, yeah. And jump you. Yeah. And so especially if you're choking them out, right?

And if you're choking them out, you're probably going to get kicked right in the face. So there's always that scenario. But you, but, but, but, um, my PD, you had said earlier, you said, you know, that's a unique perspective, right? And a hundred percent is, yeah, a hundred, like if you're, you're with the choice that you would go with the, the bigger guy as opposed to the smaller. Yeah. That is 100% the first time I've heard that.

Well, I think it's because you use their body weight against them. Listen, PD, I would go with a 280 versus 180 all day. same training insane training that's okay that is definitely your call it's 100% your call well let me ask you guys since we're on this whole subject as a woman because I think 60% and the people that listen to this podcast are female what would you suggest for most females to get into for situations like this like what should they what kind of self-defense classes could they get into yeah that's a good point excellent that's an excellent question yeah I would recommend them get into some kind of

Muay, they need to know what it's like to get hit. Yeah. It's a unique experience. Getting hit in the face is a unique experience. And if you've never experienced it, you should. You know, a lot of people like to go grappling or whatever. No, there's no way any woman's going to overpower a man. Their technique would have to be flawless the entire time. And even then, like say, you know, my wife, she's 115 pounds. She's trying to arm bar me. I will pick up and slam her off the ground.

Like that will never happen. There's too much movie nonsense. And for a woman, you need to get into some Muay Thai. And then I'm not saying even to defend yourself. Like that's a, that's a pipe dream. What is Muay? Like physical hands on, a firearm. What is Muay?

Muay Thai. Tie kickboxing. Yeah. Yeah, it teaches you good coordination how to use your legs and your hands at the same time in conjunction because typically people only think with one or the other. It's difficult for people to transition. and that's one of the good ones to really lay a foundation there in. And PD,

I want to say this too. You know, to the opposition point of people that oppose Jiu-Jitsu or any of that. They say that like you need to win the fight standing up before you ever get on the ground. Like you have to take out as many people. You got to be prepared for that as much as possible. possible. And so to that point, and I know we're getting way off topic, but you know, I get it. But you think about this too is like you think about Ryan Garcia, for example, right?

Yeah. You know who Ryan Garcia is. Boxer. Amazing boxer, by the way. And keeping in mind, I would not want to get into a fist fight with Ryan Garcia. I just know he's a world-class striker. Yeah. You're never getting near him.

I would be destroyed. Like, I would be destroyed right now tomorrow, like today. Oh, I mean, anyone would. He's a world-class striker. That is the, that's an extreme outlier. It's not the average. But what is my goal with Ryan Garcia? I don't want to throw, no, no, no, not gun.

50 caliber. No, I mean, even a nine-millimeter. I don't care how fast his hands are. He ain't ducking that. I know, but listen. But listen, in a, say that you're, you know, I don't know, downtown, Nashville, Tennessee. You see Ryan Garcia.

he starts shit with you and you got to fight right what is my stance on this i'm getting him in the ground i'm not even trying i'm not even trying to fight him hand to hand i'm i'm going straight for the take down and and i have to because i know that that's my only chance right and i know that i can probably like habib too well yeah he was way stronger on the ground than he is punching he is but but even he is absolutely but at the same time he people can hold us on i mean he biv can hold us on He probably wouldn't hold his own against Ryan Garcia in a boxing match, right? No, but once he gets somebody on the ground, they're done. Exactly.

But the question is, is like, what is the most, what is the most beneficial thing to your point, Sherry? And back to this, what is the most beneficial thing to women? Do they need to know how to strike? Like, would they, would you encourage women to know how to strike and that upper, that stand-up combat, hand-to-hand combat versus on the ground more so than, I can tell you what my wife is done. Right. Like, so that's the love of my life, right?

The mother of my children. And she knows how to shoot. She carries a weapon. She also carries a knife. Yeah. Because the reality is she ain't taking nobody to the ground. Yeah. That's not happening.

It doesn't. I mean, it's just, it's a ridiculous thing because a woman is not going to do that. And people will quote, I know some professional fighter or, you know, Chris Cyborg,

or that is such an extreme outlier. it isn't even part of the conversation. You know what I mean? It'd be talking about like bringing Warren Buffering in on a financial conversation. Like he's an extreme outlier. The reality is a normal person. No, like it's just not. It's not going to happen.

Kicking a guy in the nuts is not going to stop him. If he even notices in the moment, like the adrenaline will just push right through. It numbs all that out. She carries a gun. She carries a knife. And the reality is if a man has her and he's in close, If I'm in a situation and I'm being out grappled, I'm not going to go for my gun.

I'm going to go for my knife, which I keep at my belt, which is cross-strawed. When I pull it, I'm going for the groin. I'm going to go tip up to the back of the hip. I'm going to rip up. If they happen to grab my hand and stop it, it's double-bladed. It's a protet comes out super sharp. Then I'm going to go down to the inside of the thigh going to the knee. I'll cut through the more artery.

I'll cut through the side of the quad into the back half of the hamstring. All right. Then all I have to do is wait 43 seconds. and that's the end of it. And that's exactly what my wife is trained to do. If you take her to the ground, she'll gut you. Because the reality is ripping it because you're either going to try and control the shoulders head or throw strikes.

So it's a limited time, right? So one hand has to come up to protect. Like it's, you have to be able to play to your strengths. Hers isn't for a competitive jiu-jitsu or ground game because that is pointless. It's not, we're not into the competitive side of things.

I like to watch it. I think it's fun. I even like to do it. You know, I always get caught in various things. but the reality is if you're on the street, you're not pulling off in Ezekiel chip. That's like that's the best thing I've ever heard.

Yeah, that's so great. I mean, that's great advice for women too. And by the way, and I always too, sorry, I just wanted this. This is another thing that I learned from the CIA agent that we interviewed

is, you know, we were interviewing this guy based on this girl getting trapped in a car is to have something with you at all times where you can break the window. Break the window. Yeah. cut the seat belts do whatever you got to do but also thinking back to Idaho murders right we got

kind of I think that's when our podcast really took off yeah and we had Jason on for that episode as well CIA officer and you know one of the things I ask Jason PD is I said uh what would you have done different versus whoever killed these women and the man in this Idaho yeah the Idaho yeah Ethan. And he said, well, number one, if it's a CIA officer, we would have been a ghost. Yeah, you would have known. Yeah, you would have never known we were there. And there would have been no DNA.

There would have been no nothing, right? But with a situation, but he also, sorry, by the way, he also said, here's the things that college students can do to prevent that situation, sorry, that situation happening. And, and I guess the problem with that situation with the Idaho, murderers, for example, was that many of them were probably pretty drunk, right? They get home. It's 1 o'clock in the morning, 2 o'clock in the morning. They are like wounded dears.

If you are a college female student or male in this case, Ethan, for example, you're a wounded deer when you're completely hammered. And that's not taking away anything from them at all. But it's like at the same time, like we have to talk about. the things to prevent things, right? I'm always one of those people with Sherry. She'll go outside to throw something away in the trash can. And there's some OCD thing about me.

I'll lock the door behind her. And I don't even realize it. Yeah, and lock me out. Yeah, I lock her out. So she has to continue to like press a little keypad and all this stuff. But Jason also said that that was the worst thing to do is have a keypad because somebody can learn your code to get into your place. Well, they could.

But, you know, I think, I think, I think the reality of this is, is that preparedness and knowing, like getting in this, this habit, right? I mean, what do they say about habits, PD? What you got to do something for so long? 21 days. 21 days. Yeah.

Do something for 21 days to make yourself better and more prepared. And do you think that is a good analogy to tell people? Like do something 21 days in a row and then eventually it'll become habit. Well, I mean, that's a fact. Like doing something 21 days in a row will become a habit. As far as like security and preparedness measures, I mean, I do like, I can relate to the hyper paranoia. Because I am that way. It's taken a long time.

And I think I've mowed out a lot. But I have multiple security systems in place, passive and active. I have if the power goes out, my system still stays up. I have another default system. I can track people as they move through my house. I have no cameras inside. I have an undisclosed number of cameras outside versus in other things. I have a dog who's really better than all of it.

It's and I still do perimeter checks at 2.30 in the morning when I wake up. You know what I mean? Because I feel like if I woke up, I woke up for a reason. What did I hear? Yeah. And if I go scan the cameras, I do a check. I like, oh, you know, such and such neighbors loading up. He must be going bass fishing somewhere.

Or killing his wife. That's what it was. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's his wife. It's not my problem. Yeah. As long as she doesn't, you know, doesn't wake my kids. It's I don't care.

that reminds me of Scott Peterson is it Scott Peterson yeah anyways yeah it's you know it your mentality is a huge chunk of it and the most dangerous thing people can have is they think they're ready always always overestimate your opponent I think they know more than you they're better than you they're ready for you and never waste time if you are forced into a physical confrontation you know, go fool out. Don't play around. Playing around will get you killed. And then here's probably the best piece of advice I have.

Whatever the aftermath is, I'm just, I'm not giving anyone legal advice. Nor am I. I'm just making a suggestion. You're right, though. And the two-part suggestion here is one, if there's only one story to tell, you're probably better off. Two, make sure you say this when the cops show up. I feared for my life. I might.

be in a state of shock. I should go to the hospital and I want my attorney. That's the end of the conversation. Nothing else needs to be said. And once you ask for your attorney, they can't ask you any other questions. They will. Well, they will. They will.

Yeah. And by the way, guys, and also listen to, police, although, yes, they are there to protect and serve. But they're there to lie to you to. But they're also there to incriminate you. Yes. And so that's one thing I want everyone to understand. understand.

Like, yeah, don't ever talk to the police about your attorney. From, I mean, if you're innocent or not innocent, it doesn't matter. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Even if you're innocent, don't talk to him. Yeah, because you have an attorney. Yeah, because you might say the wrong thing that they could, they could, they could twist in court and you're done. And even if you are 100% in the right, I'm just telling you, don't do it. Yeah.

And that's a good point. Fear for my life. I might be in shock. I need to go to the hospital. I want my attorney. That's it. So. And again, one story.

You know, one version of events is better than two. Yeah, you're right. So getting back to your book. That's in there. But I think it's very important that people read this book because it sounds like, I mean, I don't know what's exactly in the book, but obviously you have all this background knowledge and you're a trainer of these things and you do these things and you teach other people to do these things. If people read your book, would they learn things like we're talking about today? I think it would help you prepare your mindset. Some of them are pretty extreme,

but I think honestly, the most important thing you would take away from reading my book is if you have a loved one that has PTSD or deals with crazy nightmares, it's going to give you

a unique insight into that. It's going to give you a unique insight that, you know, I think most people don't get. Yeah. And it's a huge outlier in the book is the main characters. And I don't mind giving this way.

And in both books, and it will be in book three, is he's trying not to lose himself in a wash of violence and blood. Yeah. He's still trying to be a father and a husband. like he's trying to come back from that like he's he that is his struggle that's honestly the

biggest struggle in the book everything else is just things to be dealt with his personal struggle is trying to hold on and and PD PD how much of this story um is real uh related to you no because he said his his main character is kind of a victim almost I know but but what I'm asked well no he's not a good guy he's not a victim good guy he's not the good guy he's not the good guy. There's no real heroes in this book. There's, and that's, I think, something to take away from the book is there's hard choices. That's something you need to be prepared for in the real world in any situation is there is no fairy tale outcome. There are hard choices and then you will have to live with that.

And that's something you have to be prepared for. Wow. Holy shit. Yeah, that makes me want to go read the book. And listen, guys, before we started interviewing PD, I did have an opportunity to download a sample to read part of it. And it is a pretty, easy read. And when I started reading, I did not want to put the book down because I wanted to find out what's happening. I literally told Sherry. I was like, Sherry, we're starting the podcast. Please quit reading the damage.

It's, it's on Kindle. It's an e-book format on Kindle through Amazon. So if you have a Kindle subscription or an Amazon Prime, you can read it for free. There's also, it's on Audible. So if you have an Audible subscription, you can listen to it for free. Now, did you read it out loud? What's that? Were you the one that did the reading of it?

I did not. My book, a lot of people wanted it in Audible, and I just wasn't going to do it because I'm hostile and uncooperative at the best of times. And then Amazon select me and asked me several times to enroll in their beta testing program for their AI reader. So when you hear it, it's AI and it's continually getting better. Okay. So, you know, give it a chance. Leave a review if you happen to read it or whatever.

The reviews actually matter. They mean the world to me. Yeah. Absolutely. And guys, listen, please go read PD's book. I think I've read a little bit of the book. I know PD personally, and I think he is, no matter what he writes, I think it's amazing. And just listen to what you heard tonight. Oh, my gosh.

I've gained so much information just on this podcast based on your book. And the only reason, by the way, the only reason we have not read the book necessarily is because it was kind of last minute and we kind of brought him on and said, look, we want to do this because we want to do this. But we're going to read it. We're probably going to bring PD back on. We're going to talk about this again because

you have so much insight. You have so much information that people really need today in 2024. And listen, we're heading towards an election. It's 2024. We have between now and November. And I think a lot of shit is about to

change. I think reality is about change. And I think if you looked at the past year or two, when you look at things and you say, well, what the hell is going on? Are we living in a simulation? Are we in some other realm? Yeah,

we are. I don't know what realm it is, but you're asked better be prepared. And books like PDs, preppers, the event, and preppers order from chaos. By the way, before you go orders from chaos what is that about what was what's the main deal there

the the first book is the the main of so it's it's kind of what it says the event right the falling yeah uh he gets warned things happen some gruesome things happen and you get to walk through that nightmare and you get to end it on a nightmare and you go into the next book and order from chaos is if you're in a prolonged event what do you do what is what is your neighborhood, your cul-de-sac, what are you prepared to do? Can you keep people in communication? Can you organize? Are you anybody, anyone would even give a fuck to listen to? Or are you just a follower? Because it's important to know who you are you are. And if you're like, I don't know, then you're the follower. Right? It's, and that's, I'm not saying that's even anything wrong. It's just good to know who you are in the situation. Yeah. Right. What your role be. Yeah. Yeah. Be self-aware. There's, there's a lot of brutality in both of them. shit yeah and i think you know damn but also for the scenario i think we need more followers because we need more alphas we need more like uh the lone wolves and i think we need more people that read your book to be like yeah i'm the follower okay follow me mother bring you because we don't

yeah we don't need alphas because that's just more shootings what are women alphas called because we need those too well that's alphas basically as well women alphas yeah i mean listen a lot of lionesses, the ones in the jungle, man. Those are most brutal. I know I'm a woman alpha. You look at Mama Bear, so you get it between her or calves or whatever. She'll half you up. That's right.

So keep that in mind. Well, PD, thank you so much for coming on. And so where is the best place people can find your book? Where can they? Amazon. Amazon. Do you have a website or anything else that you want? I have a Facebook that I will occasionally post at.

It's just P.D. Clover author. I also have a X account that I'm almost never on. I don't push very hard. So listen, by the way, it is P.D. Clover. And the books are Prepper. Or sorry, Preppers the event and Preper's order from chaos. Go listen to those books. Go or not listen.

Go read the books. Or if you want to listen to the AI version, you can do that. as well. Yeah. But nonetheless, I think it's important for us to be preppers as well in today's world. For sure. Absolutely. Yes.

Absolutely. Guys. Well, thank you so much, PD, for coming on. We're going to have you back on when your third book comes out, which who knows. I mean, you're probably going to write it in November because you're going to have a hell of a story come November. I promise you that. I promise you that.

But PD, thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate it truly for having me. And thanks for all your listeners. Yeah, not a problem. All right, guys, well, the name of this song to leave us out, I want you to hear all of the words of this song. And this is Drums of War by Robert Carver. And we play this on the intro, but I think this kind of just tells the story of what we're talking about. You better be ready.

If you are going to, if you're going to go along with everything that's going on right now, you better be prepared to send your sons and daughters and fight yourself. And you better be the alpha, not the follower. And I sure wish PD had courses for us to follow because that would be a, um, Amazing. It would be. Guys until next time. Yeah, we love you. Peace out.

Peace out. Like a spark fly. You are five silk. A sign in with someone puts another which is blood run for so long buried in the snow. It's here we are.