Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Project Looking Glass: Did the Government Really See the Future?

Episode Date: September 17, 2026

In this episode, we revisit one of the strangest conspiracy theories we’ve ever covered: Project Looking Glass. What if the government had technology capable of looking into the future?Project Looking Glass is one of the strangest stories to come out of the world of secret government programs, Area 51 lore, alleged extraterrestrial technology, and black-budget projects. According to the claims surrounding Looking Glass, a highly classified device may have been capable of viewing possible future events and alternate timelines.Chad and Sheri dive into where the Project Looking Glass story came from, the alleged connection to Area 51 and S-4, claims involving advanced or non-human technology, and the idea that those operating the device eventually discovered something they could not change.We also get into the infamous timeline convergence story, the connection to 2012, and the people whose testimony helped turn Project Looking Glass into one of the biggest secret-technology conspiracies on the internet.Was Looking Glass an actual classified program? Was it a misunderstanding of other real government experiments? Or is the entire story an elaborate legend built around genuine government secrecy?We’re going back down the Project Looking Glass rabbit hole.Our Merch Store

And welcome to Investigate Earth podcast. I'm your host Chad alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. On tonight's episode, we are going to be talking about Project Looking Glass. Some of you may have heard about it. Some of you may have not. This does have to do with advanced technology that the United States government has either created or they have somehow harnessed from other beings in either another dimension or another planet. So this is also going to involve UFOs, UAPs, aliens, other dimensions,

time travel, you name it. It involves a little bit of everything, but I think you guys will really enjoy this. Very fascinating project as Project Looking Glass, Sherry. Welcome back to the second show again. Thank you. And as you say project, I was like today, how many darn projects are there? I bet there's a ton of projects. But this project is a very interesting one. And it's very interesting to me because they knew about this so long ago. Yeah, yeah, there was so many people. This is technology that we're just learning now. for sure yeah i mean you know there's there's a lot of these things we're going to play to you guys tonight or clips um you know we're talking about the 60s i mean this is what people were talking about

in the 1960s there were whistleblowers that had since come out in the 2000s um some of those whistleblowers or at least one of those whistleblowers ended up dead we do not know exactly why we'll get into that a little bit later but um so before we get into this episode i do want to touch on a couple things we got to mention we have a telegram many of our list listeners have reached out and said, hey, do you guys have a telegram account? It is mostly uncensored. So we did start a telegram. We encourage everyone to go and follow our telegram. You can simply search, investigate Earth podcast. If you do not have a telegram account, it's easy to download, easy to make an account. We talk about even things like Project Looking Glass, so we're going to

talk about tonight. I mean, for example, one of the whistleblowers, the apparent whistleblower that had direct knowledge of Project Looking Glass, he himself ended up dead. And we don't know for sure that he was killed or whatever, but we'll talk about the mysterious, I guess the mysteries that surrounded his death here in just a little bit. So I just want to make you guys aware. And, you know, we don't know. We're trying to diversify where we have our accounts. Obviously, we have a Facebook that we use and communicate with you guys very often. We do also have an X account where we post a lot of breaking stuff that we may not get to on the podcast anytime soon. Over on X, we encourage all of you to follow us all of these platforms because in the event we

ever got banned or censored or whatever here, then that way you guys will still be able to hear our content. We would put it wherever we'd have to. But I'll tell you the story of Telegram later, but there was a battle actually with one of the main founders of Telegram and a partner. And where the battle started was they were from Russia, as who started Telegram. And in Russia, Russia government came to Telegram and said, we want you to hand over all your user data for every user in Russia. Because what they said was, we want to make sure there's no extremism. The problem is, though, in Russia, extremism could mean that, you know, you don't like Putin. And so are they going to come after those users? Well, then I guess the original founder

got kicked from Telegram. He then moved to Dubai. And then by the way, it wasn't telegram how it started in Russia. It was another app called something else. So then the original founder said, I'm not giving you any data. And he left that, started Telegram in Dubai and refused the the Russian government's request for that. Now, that's the story. And so that's why a lot of people really are trying to trust telegram to be uncensored, to not give up data to the government. So that's why we're there.

And we have a community discussion there. You guys can all hang out with us, discuss post videos, pictures, you name it. It's really cool. Yeah, that's what's really cool about it to me is because we can all be in a community together and text together, talk together, send pictures like he said. And it's just a neat way for us to discuss. discuss topics altogether. Yeah, for sure.

Even after this episode in particular, I want anyone that joins our new telegram, I want you guys to go over to our telegram and go to our discussion. You'll see, by the way, once you join our channel, there is a link in the actual channel and it'll say, click this link. It goes to the discussion part. Tell us what you think of this episode. I will post a pin post to where we'll talk specifically about this episode. And then, yeah, I think it's just a good way to kind of get feedback.

And then we're also going to host some video chats and some audio chats over there to where all of you can chat, we'll record some of that so that if you are okay with it, we can post or play some of that stuff on our podcast. We want to involve you guys as much as we possibly can because although we have a platform and we have a message and we're trying to get out a message, we also want to, you know, let you guys have the platform every once in a while as well. And so I think that's how we can utilize Telegram. So yeah, so that's I think all we have to say.

All right. So before we get into this, let me just, I guess, discuss or talk about what project looking glass is, right? So Project Looking Glass was a highly classified project ran out of Area S4 facility at Area 51. It was first revealed to the public in 1989 by the legendary UFO whistleblower Bob Lazar. Now, the project involved the use of advanced technology to manipulate space and time, allowing researchers to look back in time, essentially. And there are several theories about the exact nature of the project looking glass. Some claim that it was a time machine or device that could view alternate timelines or potential futures.

others believe it was a form of remote viewing or a means of manipulating reality through our consciousness. One of the most intriguing aspects of Project Looking Glass is the involvement of Dan Be Rich, a controversial figure who claimed to have worked on the project. Now, Be Rich's credibility has been questioned, but his story has been widely circulating in UFO and conspiracy theory communities. In recent years, the term Project Looking Glass has also been used in the context of Q and on.

And there's a reason I'm going to say that. but a far-right conspiracy theory group. Now, Q&ON is referenced the project in their cryptic messages, further fueling speculation about his true nature and its purpose. Now, of course, they bring in Q&N to this subject, right? And the reason I say, of course, they bring in QAnon. When things that the government are highly involved in, and it seems like especially the fact that now Q&ONN exists

and have existed for a decent amount of time, they love putting QAnon name on stuff that is potentially true. Now, I'm not saying everything Q&N talks about is true. I've said many times my thoughts on Q&N. Personally, I think Q&N is a government sciat program to make a certain group of people or manipulate a certain group of people into various beliefs or whatever to then be able to use against a political party,

such as the far right, as they call QAnon as a far-right conspiracy group. and a lot of the things honestly on Q&O I've seen typically does have to do with far right conspiracies. Now, I'm not saying if you're a Q&M believer that you should not believe or whatever. I'm just giving you my thoughts are I think Q&N is a government sciop and I'm not one of those people that believe everything is a government siop. I'm definitely not. I'm just saying I do think potentially Q&N is a sciop that they are using against the people to be able to make those people look crazy or you know, you already. see how they use it in January 6th. Now you see here what AI is talking about. Project looking glass can't be true because QAnon has mentioned it, right?

So anything Q&N mentions can't be true, not possible. So I just want to point that out. It's not just because, you know, just because Q&N may have mentioned this does not mean that its validity is invalid, right? And so our first thing we're going to get into is a interview with George Van Tassel back in, I believe, 1963. if I'm not mistaken. And so who George Ventasel was,

it was a prominent figure in the UFO and contactee subculture in the mid-20th century. He was born in Ohio in 1910. He moved to California in 1947. And then he became a flight test engineer. Now, he worked for various aviation companies. And in 1947, he and his family moved to a remote area of Mahabee Desert near Landers, California, where they operated Giant Rock Airport, a small cafe. Now Van Tassel gained

And Small Cafe, sorry, Van Tassel gained Noterati and the UFO community for his claims of having been in contact with extraterrestrials from Venus. He said that these beings had shared advanced knowledge with him, which he then used to design and build an integrate, an structural intended to rejuvenate human cells and provide anti-agent benefits. In addition to his work on the Inta, oh my God, Integratron. That's what it says.

Van Tassel also organized the giant rock spacecraft conventions, which were held annually from 1953 to 1978. Now, these events attracted thousands of people who shared an interest in UFOs in extraterrestrial life. George Van Tassel passed away in 1978, but his ideas and Ittrachatron continue to be a source of fascination for many people interested in the UFO phenomenon and alternative healing processes. Now, we're going to listen to the interview, right? And how AI wants to say it, or if you look up George Van Tassel, they kind of want to, I guess, rush him off as some crazy psycho lunatic, right? I mean, this is what they always did to UFO people for many, many years. Anyone that would ever say that they believed in UFOs or aliens or were abducted, I mean,

this has happened in the 40s and 30s. They were all crazy. And this is what the media did. This is what the newspapers did. This is what the government said. If you said that you believed in. UFOs, they would try to put you in a loony bin, you know, that they could literally use that against you. You wear a tinful hat wearing crazy conspiracy theorist and that's all you were.

And now look you here. And the government is actually talking about. They're holding congressional hearings about this. And there's a lot to be said about this. But before we say anything, let's get into this interview, which is very interesting from the 1960s and just listen to some of the stuff this guy says and then compare it to today. It's crazy. Listen carefully. Here you go. So it's safe to talk about flying saucers and people from outer space, people who may be circulating among us now, and who demonstrate their unearthly qualities if they choose you as one of their agents,

by disappearing and reappearing at will in your very presence, in front, if necessary, of many witnesses, and who land on this materialistic earth in flying saucers, to which you, if you're one of the chosen, shall enter through an anti-gravity elevator. Nothing to hold you up. You just whisk up into the body of the flying saucer, a scout ship from outer space. No way. I'm not really joking.

Because I've got a man now, here and now, one of the men who claims fervently that he has met these people from outer space, has talked to them and has been given secrets of things such as a time machine. from men from outer space. You'll meet this man after this plebeian and earthly message. The man you're going to meet in the moment of two. From Giant Rock, California, is a most unlikely person to claim to have seen flying saucers and been intact with people from outer space.

George is a very ordinary fellow. He doesn't make any money. out of his flying saucer beliefs. But boy, he really believes them. Before I start talking to George, I want to tell you, too, that I do have a couple of doubts in my mind. We all see these newspaper reports from Saccora, New Mexico,

that a mysterious craft landed and took off and left blast marks in the sand. Airline pilots from time to time talk delicately about strange aircraft circling their normal aircraft and flight, perhaps even cutting off the power of their engines momentarily. We all love to talk about the mysterious and the unknown and the flying saucers. So now it's to George Van Tassel and this question. Time machine you're building down in California.

Jack, this was the result of a formula which was given to me by a man who landed a ship at my airport in 1953. And we put this formula under research. tested a number of experiments on a bench in a good electronics lab in Chicago, and we produced phenomenal results with evidence that we should do it on a larger scale in order to be able to do more with it. And this evolved out of something that started in 1953

into a four-story high machine that we're working on down there today. I don't care where the machine is forced. stories high or 40 stories high or four inches high. When I say calmly and unexcitedly, a time machine, what does your formula tell you you can do with a time machine? Well, Jack, our formula has no time factor, which electronic formula does have. And on the other hand, electronic science has only had two dimensions to work with,

the electric pattern and the magnetic pattern perpendicular. to it. And we discovered a third zone, which we call a time zone, and we are working through this zone with an effort to orient the magnetic field to give us other results than our science can obtain the present. George, it's double talk to me. A time machine means to me a little box I can go into and go by 5,000 years or forward 10,000 years. Is that what your formula tells you you can do? Well, Jack, this isn't a little box. This is a four-story machine focusing fields that we can orient to produce this zone big enough for a man to get into.

It isn't a box. But what happens to the man when he gets into the zone? Well, all agog with curiosity. Jack, we've discovered this zone is subject to thought. Now, since time doesn't record events the way we do on calendar and clocks, you could only record events. an event by thinking of it. Now, theoretically, we believe we can take a videotape magnetic

camera into the time zone and photograph Lincoln's Gettysburg Address or Caesar's Army's marching or anything it's ever happened. Let me get this tape. In other words, you're telling me, like HG Wells imagined 50 years ago, that everything

that happened in time is still there to be seen by the recreation electronically of a thought which exists. Jack, you know how you talk into a tape on a tape recorder and play the interruptions back, identical to the play that you made. The Earth's magnetic field is the same way.

You can put interruptions into it and play them back out of it. An associate of ours in creating a magnetic coupler with his principle, coupled in the Earth's magnetic field, and played back TV shows from stations that aren't even in business. anymore. All right. We got to pause because this is craziness. But it makes a lot of sense, actually. You know, there's something I've often said on many episodes where you say, okay, most things that we kind of see in witness today, you can access, right? We have access to emails. We can go back and from deleted emails. We can archive emails. We can do all these things. In frequencies, if you think about that, you know, magnetic field, and he specifically says here,

they can go back in time and photograph or video a certain time and space. And it's not just going back. They can also potentially even go in the future. And this is because as they were working on this, right, according to Tassel, they knew that there was an electric and magnetic dimension. So, you know, you've got your magnetic fields. You've got your electrical currency fills, radio frequencies, RF frequencies, whatever. We've talked about human residents. We've talked about all these things as far as how the earth works.

we also have talked about how potentially UFOs or UAPs could operate within our, within our own space, without our world. It's almost like two-dimensional versus three-dimensional, or three-dimensional versus four-dimensional. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, absolutely. And so the more we get, I guess the more we research about UFOs and UAPs, the more we're starting to think possibly that UFOs and the UFO phenomenon can be coming

from another dimension. Now, this guy, in 1964, by the way, it's 1964, he talks about, we know of electric and magnetic dimensions, but they have found a way to actually look at the time field or a time dimension. Now, we know that exists. We know without a doubt that exists. We also know that many scientists have said that space and time mean almost everything, although we know very little about it. So if you guys have watched a movie Interstellar, for example, one of my favorite, movies, one of many people's favorite movies. But if you want to call this guy completely lunatic and full of shit or crazy, watch the

movie Interstellar that is, by the way, completely backed up by science. They believe that if we could somehow harness or figure out the time in its dimension and also be able to either manipulate or access it unlike we can today, such as if you, in Interstellar, they get in a planet, which is near a black hole. the black hole in itself somehow distorts and manipulates time. And the closer these planets are to that black hole, the more it manipulates time. So you could go down on this planet for 30 minutes to an hour. But that 30 minutes to an hour on this planet that's very close to this black hole would be seven to 10 years on Earth.

Right. So this is how time works. And so just think about that. Even though you yourself, you as a human being, could go down to this planet for one hour, right? one hour, come back up to your spaceship and then say that it took you seven months to get back to Earth or a year, whatever it was. It would still be seven to ten years future, right? So that's how time is distorted. That is essentially time traveling.

You were traveling 10 years in the future, although your body technically was only a way for that, say it took you one year. That's kind of what time and. and how time can work, if that makes any sense. Interstellar does a great job at kind of depicting that. Right. And I was really, like, amazed that back in 1964, they're talking about anti-gravity machines. Yeah.

This time, and by the way, I love the way they talk in the old days. It's like the way they stretch their words out like this. We're going into a time machine. Yeah. But it was very interesting that he was even talking about anti-gravity back then. Yeah, for sure. Because this is a term that's fairly new to me in the last seven, ten years. Yeah, well, anti-gravity, and especially when you look at what Bob Lazar says about alien spacecraft or things that he worked on, Airy S-4.

You know, he talks about the gravity field or gravity manipulation is what a lot of people believe, these crafts and how they operate in our gravity field itself in Earth's atmosphere. But yeah, I mean, the intro Jack, which wouldn't shut the hell up. I know. I wanted the other guy just to talk. I was like, shut up. Yeah. But, you know, he even talked about anti-gravity elevators. You know, Tassel was claimed that he's met these people and given, they have been given a time machine or at least a time machine formula.

And Tassel, the very beginning of this says a man that landed at his airport. Now, he had owned an airport, remember, and a cafe at this airport in California. We just gave you his biography a minute ago. But he talks about a man that landed at his airport in a spaceship in 1953. And this is where this all started. he said that this thing or this, I don't know what you want to call it, this vehicle for time travel they built is four stories high. You know, so it's not something very small is a huge thing that they built.

Not exactly sure how it works, but let's get more into the interview. We just wanted to point that out for you guys before we moved along. Here you go. You mean an experiment has been done to bring out of the air television programs which have been and gone. Ben and gone. Now, where was this experiment conducted? It was conducted in Santa Monica by an associate of mine. Why hasn't this hit the headlines throughout the world?

That's a time machine and action. Well, Jack, the reason it hasn't hit the world is because, as I understand it, now, the Navy Department took him and the research over because he also discovered he could bounce magnetic echoes off the ionosphere and locate submarines under the aironosphere. and locate submarines under the ocean regardless of where they were. So who is this associate of yours? This is a fellow named Charlie Arts.

Charlie Art? Yeah. And is he a free man walking around today? Well, he's free where he is in this super secret research he's conducted. Now, so therefore, you tell me soberly in front of the television camera that things, old television programs,

have been recreated out of nothing. Played back with a picture and the sound just as good. is the day they were broadcast. We've done this many times. Why didn't you bring one up with you? Well, this requires quite a piece of apparatus. This magnetic coupler works on around 50,000 volts,

and it doesn't have any radio frequency connected with it. And actually, the television set, which plays back, the picture doesn't even have an antenna connected to it. George, you know as well as I do, and you've been on television 350 times, and I've known you, I've met you once seven years ago, and I kind of like you. You know what the people out there are sick.

But saying this man's a nut. Well, Jack, you know when Fulton was running the steamboat up the Hudson River, there were people still standing on the bank saying it couldn't be done. All right, let me take you to the back, though. You have a time machine plan. You have done experiments with sure you can bring the past to life. Where did this formula come from? I love that scotch accent.

Jack, the formula came from a ship that landed at my airport in 1953 on August of 24. which had four people aboard it that came from another planet. I'm breathless. Well, you're not only breathless, I was breathless. But I'm cynical, too. Well, that's fine. That's the way to be. In fact, I'm a bigger skeptic than you are of many things.

I'm an unbeliever. Convinced me that this really happened to you. Well, this thing is very similar to a thing that's happened in our biblical records where a Lord presented Moses with a pattern to build a tabernacle. They came out of the sky. They handed him stone tablets. And this phenomena that's taking place today is as old as our history, as our civilization. This isn't anything new that's occurring.

It's something that's being continued in another time of crisis when conditions affecting the people of this planet are reaching a point where somebody has to take care of the situation. Now, I don't intend in any way to be disrespectful or blasphemous. But do you feel? And I know you're not an evangelistic type. Do you feel that you're some kind of Moses receiving a new word? Well, I don't say that, Jack. I say that what is occurring now has occurred before. There's many records of these ships landing throughout history,

clear back into Sanskrit. And there are records in the 1898 Chicago newspapers that covered the front page for three days of a big ship setting over Chicago. When you realize we're dealing with a type of man that is almost as far above us in intelligence as we are above the lower animals, there isn't anything phenomenal in this at all. Now, you say casually, because this is your life's work now, ships. Now, you mean flying saucer, don't you? Well, a flying saucer was a name the press put on this thing, and actually what they termed a flying saucer was nothing but a scout ship from the big jet.

carriers. But I want to go back to that in 1953. Tell me, where did this happen for people who haven't had your talk a senior yet? It happened on my airport, which have operated for the last 16 years, at Giant Rock Airport, 17 miles

north of Yucca Valley in California 40 miles north of Palm Springs. All right, hold on. We got to pause for a second. So, Charlie Art. So this is the guy that supposedly, I guess, had this formula, Navy took him and the research vessel. And, you know, one of the things that's very compelling here as well.

And I want to mention for a moment, you know, Tassel, which is who we're here and here, being interviewed by Jack, whatever the hell is name is, Jackass. And I'm just kidding. He is actually asking good questions because he's like, look, I'm a non-believer. Convince me, you know. So that's a good question. But one of the things that really stands out is just a fact. that, you know, for example, he just gave an example from the Bible.

The Lord presented Moses. He came down from the sky, presented Moses, this formula to build the tabernacle, which they did. There are also many other occurrences in the Bible to where it talks about these angels or these things that come from the sky that tell people to do a certain thing. You know, you look back, he even talks about, you know, there are accounts of aliens and spacecraft anyway back in Sanskrit, which is, you know, the oldest known. language or written language yeah you know in the world and so this is all crazy but he's talking about

television programs with his formula could be played back in real time no matter how old they were and even potentially in a future and this is you know not surprising go ahead and i wanted to mention one thing about charlie arts when he was talking about him i was like wow this guy was really smart because you know what he did he was able to bounce things off the ionosphere in order to bounce it back to locate things. That is a plane we have. For sure. Well, in the plane, the Poseidon.

Is it the Poseidon or something? Yeah, the P3 Poseidon, yeah. Yeah. That's the Poseidon we have nowadays. From 1953, they knew this stuff. Yeah. Yeah, they have sonar. And I wonder, you know, it often makes you think,

which I'm sure probably sonar existed to some degree then. But, you know, one of the things the P3 or Ryan does is not only does it shoot out projectiles into the ocean to listen for sonar, you know, sonar listening devices. P3 Orion also has some type of system on the top of the aircraft. So if you ever actually see a P3 Orion aircraft, which is essentially a Boeing, a Boeing aircraft, much like you would see like a Boeing, well, is it, it's like the Dreamliner, I think, but they've just converted obviously into military aircraft. But it also has a small condensed dome on top of the aircraft, right?

So you might wonder, what does that do? well that dome actually communicates with some type of satellite up in space. And so are they using the satellites in space also to beam down sonars from space to look into the ocean, which potentially where did this technology come from? Who had it first? And was it them? Because by the way, you know who the P3? That's Charlie Arts.

Yeah, you know who the P3 Orion belongs to? Or sorry, the P8. Sorry, I keep saying the P3 Orion. The P8 Poseidon, the P3 Orion was the first version. was a four, four-engine turboprop aircraft that the United States Navy operated also. NOAA National Weather Service operates. There's the Hurricane Hunter aircraft. Then they upgraded out to the P.8 Poseidon, which is now a, you know, I would say,

search and rescue. Yeah, it's a Boeing. It's a Boeing, basically airliner jet. I think it's built in the dreamliner chassis 787, maybe, I believe. But anyways, that aircraft now is taken over for the P3, and it just has a more advanced, you know, avionics system, but also has a more advanced reconnaissance system and to where it can actually communicate with satellites in the sky. And so if you think about this, both of these aircraft are talking about are Navy. And it's just interesting, this guy says that Charlie Art,

Navy took him in the research vessel. Yes. And guess who has the Sonar reconnaissance aircraft today? It is the Navy. Yes. So that's very strange. Yes. So then also, you know as he was talking about the 18 late 1800s newspapers that showed spaceships above Chicago I mean this is something that guys I mean obviously we talk about 1930s but we're talking about even newspapers or the first type of papers at all in 1800s we're showing these spacecrafts hovering above Chicago what was then Chicago probably much smaller and you see today but this was happening then and you're not going to tell me that our military or government had advanced technology then because we were

barely a country in the late late 1800s. I mean 1876, or 1776 is when the country first started. 1800s was a very young time for America. And you're telling me we had spaceships already in the 1800s. We did it. Well, we probably had them, but no, no, Americans didn't have them. I'm saying they probably seen them. Oh, yeah, absolutely. We definitely did. And so then I think at the very least, you can't say that, you know, from, you know, you would have to say that you, you would have to say the United States had to have started at some point in time trying to gain this technology once they started seeing these craft in the sky, but you're not going to do it right after, you know, the establishment of the country.

It's going to take time to research. So even if you start research in the 1800s, how long is it really going to take you to ever, number one, contact these things, figure these things out, and then even reverse engineer. I think we're just now beginning, in my opinion. That's why there's so much debate with people to say, oh, everything you've seen the sky now is our stuff, because we've had this forever. We haven't. There's just no way.

And it takes a very long time to try to figure this out. Now, I'm not saying that we don't necessarily have craft that can do some of the stuff now. But I know we didn't in the 1800s. Well, when was the first time we had an aircraft? It was Orson and Wells or who was it? Orson and Wilbur Wright. Orville and Wilbur Wright. I had that first beginning sounds, right?

Yeah, Orville and Wilbur right. That was the first time that we had aircraft. but nonetheless, you know, yes, I mean, at the very least, we've not had this technology. Right. If we even have this technology, right? I think we do have some aspects of the technology. I just don't think that obviously in 1800s we did not have this technology. And yet we were still seeing spacecraft.

We were still having encounters like this, much like what Tassel was saying here. So let's get in a little more to his interview. Here you go. Private airport for small aircraft, is it? This is an airport used both by the military and private aircraft. You own this airport there? I lease this airport from the United States government. I've operated it for 16 years since I retired from the flight test business and the aviation.

Right now. How old are you now, by the way, Jack? I'm 54, Jack. Got three grown daughters married and 11 grandchildren. You don't mind them ask you the stock question. I know you've been asked every obnoxious question that can ever have been asked. you've never been treated for any form of emotional upset. I've never had any emotional upset other than women.

Except that night in Yucca Flats, not Yucca Flats, a giant rock when this ship appeared. Now, give me the details, George, because I'm never tired of hearing the details of a man who says he has seen creatures from another world. Well, actually, Jack, this was as simple as crossing a street and getting hit by a car. after it's over, you're the victim of the circumstance. And I didn't see the ship land. One of my son-in-laws, there wasn't my son-in-law at that time, saw it come down.

Another man on the airport heard it, and he wasn't where he could see it. And the man got off of the ship and approached me before I even knew there was a ship down. Where were you at that? What time of day, a night watch us? It was 2 o'clock in the morning, and approximately a full month.

moon, which is like daylight on the desert. Were you walking about outside or what? No, I was sound asleep when he awakened me. This man awakened. Well, something awakened me. So you got up out of your bed. I got out of my bed and went aboard the ship at his request. This man, in what language did he converse with you?

He talked to me in the best English equivalent to Ronald Coleman. And he met you there and he said, what do they say, come with me to my ship or what? No, he said, I asked him what he wanted because we have a lot of people commens. and stuck in the sand and broken axles and whatnot. And I asked him what he wanted, and he said, my name is Solgonda, and I would be pleased to show you our craft. Sogonda? Soganda.

Did you, was the craft visible to you at this time? It was when he stated this. I saw beyond him the ship. Well, you hadn't seen before. What did you see? A bell-shaped type of anti-gravity ship that they operate as a scout ship out of their big carriers. How big? This was 36 feet in diameter and 19 feet high. And where was it on the ground? No, it was hovering 10 feet off the ground. And how did you, did you go into this ship?

I walked with him to a spot underneath it and an anti-gravity beam took me up through a hole in the bottom of it. You're telling me the 2 o'clock in the morning in John Rock Airport, you walked underneath its hovering ship and whammo. You went up in sight. No, you didn't go whammo. You went just about as as a local elevator. And when you got off the anti-gravity elevator, what did it look like? I was inside of a ship about 18 feet in diameter and roughly 10 feet high to the domed ceiling.

And there were three men on the ship, besides the one that had got off and invited me aboard. You keep calling a man. What do you mean man? Well... Little green man? They were about five foot six. They came about to my eyebrows,

and they could have walked in our clothes down any of our streets, and we wouldn't have paid any attention to them. And did you bring any proof off that ship? Were you alone in the ship? I was alone with the three men until the other fellow came up behind me, and then the four of them were aboard. Was there any other earthly eyewitnesses to this? Nothing on the outside of the ship.

And these people stayed outside? On the airport. And did you go anywhere in this ship? Not to my knowledge. When I got off, it was the same place that it was when I got out. What do you mean not your knowledge? Had the door closed when you went in or something? I don't know, because it was below the deck.

And did these people tell you where they came from? They didn't say where they came from, but I've been in the air game since 1927, and their instruments were unlike anything I'd ever seen before. Well, don't give me technicalities. What was different? The difference was that we used dial instruments, and they used vertical instruments,

like fluorescent tubes and marks on them. What color were these people? The instruments were marked in simple. similar to hieroglyphics. They were not in any language or number system we use on the earth. What color were these people? They looked like they were white people with a good, healthy tan. Did they give you any indication of how old they were or what they ate or where they came from at all?

After we got off the ship, the man who invited me aboard, who didn't look a day over 28 years of age, told me that he was over 700 years of age in our time. Oh, come off at, Judge. Right. Was this a guy who gave you the formula for the time machine? That's a man. And what form did the formula take with the DM? All right, we got to pause here.

So anyways, you liberals out there, you probably took that they were a white supremacist that get off of a chef. No, he had a great tan. He did have a tan, though. So maybe he is not white. Maybe he is. No, he's still white. He's just white privilege because they get a tan in bed and I guess probably. From the Florence at Lights on the ship.

Yeah. Anyways, a little joke there, guys. So I want to point out something here. Tassel, which is obviously a test pilot, right? Now, number one, pilots in general have to go through pretty rigorous mental and obviously physical testing. You're not particularly going to be a crazy or a psycho to be able to go or be able to go through flight testing or flight school or whatever the case may be, this guy was a test pilot. Now, I don't know at the time when he owned the airport, I would assume he probably still had his pilot's license. And listen,

to most pilots, your pilot's license means everything to you. You are going to be very careful about what you say, what you don't say, what you say at the doctor. If you go there, just a regular doctor, if you get sick with a cold, you got to be very careful about how and what you say to a doctor or to specifically anybody in the FAA or any of that stuff. So this guy coming out and saying, hey, there was a spaceship that came down. And some of these, you know, key accounts here, multiple witnesses saw this at 2 a.m. that was on his airfield.

He described him as a man. He went aboard his ship because he was requested to go aboard the ship as he was awakened at 2 a.m. And once he got on the ship, which, by the way, this guy's name was Soganda, was his name. game this ship was a bell shape it was 36 feet by 19 it was hovering about 10 feet off the ground um tassel said he went under the ship it was some type of anti-gravity elevator that he slowly went up and into the ship at one i think there was four men total uh there was one at first

but then four men came around and um he said look you could have put these guys in street clothes you know our clothes and walked him down the street and no one would ever known the difference now that's very interesting it was a very interesting it's a very interesting concept or story because seems weird. Some people might say, well, this guy is, he was dreaming. He was having some kind of lucid dream. This is crazy

whatever, but there were multiple witnesses. I actually had seen this earlier as I was looking at this. There were other witnesses that saw this happen in his airfield that night. They just didn't see the men. They didn't see the inside, but they did see the outside and what was actually occurring that night. Now, one of the things

I want to also mention is he said, you know, me being a pilot, he said, you know, our, what he basically said here is our dials, but our avionics, which is what it is, our instrument gauges, you know, they had dial type systems, right? So in today's world, you would call those like analog or steam gauges. So it's very, you know, mechanical gauges. And then the more advanced aircraft, like the jets you have today, you have very, you know, it's almost like computer screens, which show you all of everything you need, your altitude, your speed, all of this, you know, and what I found interesting was he said, you know, their avionics, and keeping in mind, this was back in 1953, he said their avionics were fluorescent, aka meaning like potentially screens, right? So. Yeah, and he said they were vertical. Yeah, vertical.

What does that mean? I don't know exactly what he would mean by that 100%. I mean, vertical, I don't know. But what really stood out to me was fluorescent, which in my opinion, I think that means a screen. Right. if you look at avionics today, especially in like G-1,000 or G-3,000 cockpits, right, say in your best jets, all of those are essentially many computer screens. And those computer screens, depending on what screen it is and what it's on, look fluorescent.

I mean, they have those colors in those screens. And then it gets a ship in these screens, instead of going across, it's going up and down. I guess, yeah. And that's what's different from what. he's used to in an aircraft. No, but it's also completely different because I think what he's describing as this was more computer screen and versus, you know, whatever. This is, by the way, before computers even really existed.

Right. He's even saying this. But what he's kind of describing here is computer screen avionics, which is what is in all of our technology today in aircraft. I mean, you're talking about, you know, when you get into a certain aircraft today, it looks like two, three, or four computer screens. And that is where you get all of your data for your flight. That's how you know how high you are.

That's how you know what speed you're going. That's how you have all of your information. That's where your flight plan goes into. That's what everything goes into. Some of the older aircraft still have the steam gauges, the analog gauges, which are literally manual type, you know, beard gauges. And kind of like a clock, you know, just like a regular,

if you have like a, what are these watches called? Like a mechanical watch. Like analog? Yeah, like an analog or mechanical watch, I guess is what it would be the best way. you can kind of see that. And I think personally, maybe he's describing some type of advanced cockpit here, which is what we see today in a lot of our aircraft.

But he did say it was like almost in hieroglyphics or some type of other language he could not necessarily describe. But what he did say was they appeared to be white men and they also claim to be 700 years old. So that's also very interesting. Let's get into some more of this. Here you go. in your mind by telepathy or did you give you something written in English? He spoke it to me verbally. And you remember this?

There's nothing to it to remember. Well, you tell me now, the formula for a time machine. F equals one over T. F equals one over T. F being frequency and T being time. This enables me to go back to the time of Caesar's armies conquering Britain. Well, it would enable a mathematician to work this. South, yes. Why hasn't this been acclaimed like Einstein Z equals MC squared? Well, why hasn't the fact that

the United States government's been flying to anti-gravity ships since 1956 been acclaimed? Or the fact that there's a crater on the moon with a basin since 1954, we've known this. Well, let's get, first of all, the U.S., why haven't the FBI clapped you in Cominicada for breaking secrets, so they want to keep secret in the United States? Well, possibly, because they know. this information is going to get out eventually anyway and what I say won't make any difference. Now that particular night when you had this experience, did you call the police, did you call the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, the White House?

Well, I'm 17 miles from the nearest phone, Jack, and the nearest phone would get me to the sheriff's office and it takes them about 40 minutes to get out there. Well, wouldn't you have a phone on an airport? No, we have no phone. But you're an operating airport? airport. Well, we're an operating airport, but we're isolated in the middle of desert, 17 miles from the closest town, and they've never run phones out there. So how do you communicate with people who want to use at airport? They fly in or write and

a phone to the local town where my daughter lives, and she notifies us when she comes out. Now, you talked about a crater on the moon. I thought all the moon stuff had been debunked, and that nobody ever really knows what goes on on the moon. What's this? Well, this is the Gissendi Crater. This is 55 miles long and oval shaped. It's in the Merrimorum Sea or on the edge of it. Since 35 years ago, they wondered why this particular crater had these lines in it. And with a magnification, which you can get with a larger telescope, this is what they found.

These lines are tubes laying on the surface of this crater and running under some of the mountain ridges. There are three large domes shaped structures in here. These tubes run clear outside of the crater. And we know they are tubes laying on the surface because the sun is shining from this angle. And this mountain peak causes a shadow. What does it all mean? Does this mean that this is a rocket launching or a flying saucer base on moon? This has been a base on the moon for perhaps many thousands of years.

All right. I got to pause there because this is very important as well. And I do want to get to a moon episode very soon because there has been so much speculation. And obviously now that we have obviously more advanced technology, there are people with very advanced telescopes to be able to look at the moon nowadays, even civilians. There are civilians that can look at moons and have found weird structures on the surface of the moon. And, you know, this guy's saying this in 1964 to where he's like, look, this looks like a base on the moon. There are tube structures on top. there are lines in this crater.

It looks like some type of advanced civilization or some type of advanced someone is on the moon. But, you know, he said the formula is F equals 1 over T. Someone figured it out real quick and then give us a call. Yeah, I was just trying to plug in numbers to see. Yeah. You know, but it's been a long time since I've done algebra. Yeah, that's, I don't know if that's even algebra. F equals 1 over T.

So frequency equals 1 over time. Yeah, I know. But it is very interesting. but he said he was 17 miles from the closest phone at this airport that he owned. But when he gets in the crater on the moon, the lines on the crater, the tubes on the service is very interesting. I want you guys to pay close attention to that because, you know, we've been hearing this for a very long time. And this guy's talking about it in 1964. And listen, we also have been recently, there's some for whatever reason, there's some huge space race to get to the moon.

And we have, I think, China there officially. Supposedly, the United States has landed a commercial spacecraft on the moon as of recently, not with any human beings on the actual craft, but I guess some type of reconnaissance device that we have landed on the moon, supposedly, right? And then we also have Russia that is also undergoing these moon missions. You know, the United States said they went to the moon, although we have a couple of moon episodes where I, I think that we debunk that they ever went to the moon, in my opinion. I think they debunk it themselves, actually, NASA, which is essentially what we played. But this is very interesting how he talks about the moon.

I thought you were going to say something. I was. I was going to say, I mean, just even look at the recent launch to the moon. I think it was a commercial launch or something. And they couldn't even do it. What do you mean? Or did they do it? Yeah, they absolutely did.

Okay, they got on there and then something happened. I don't know. Well, it's not that nothing happened. with that baby it's they they did it supposedly but there's no video there's no nothing of it they everything the mainstream media is showing you is all graphics it's all some type of cg i or whatever and they're not saying this supposed to be the real video but only the only thing anyone has showed from this mission is some type of graphical um like uh graphical video i mean there are no videos you would think in 2024 if we have a commercial craft

that that can go to the moon and land that we would have HDVO at the very least and I'm sure that we'll see it sometime in the future but then we got to decipher is it real or is it not but I don't know

there's something going on on the moon but let's listen to a few more minutes to this is almost over these people in the space ships to resupply their ships or whatever is required not even Life magazine except this is genuine

well the Palomar observatory people that took the picture won't even comment on it. There must be a great conspiracy of silence to keep George Van Tassel's secret of the universe away from the people. No, it isn't to keep anything I know away from the people. It's to keep many

things away from the people. Let's talk about this picture. This is the time machine. This is a picture of the machine we're building down there. This structure is actually up. We're working now on the parts on the equipment that operate it.

This rim around here has armatures, 57 feet in diameter, which would be better than four times bigger than the biggest armatured ever made before. But is that the place where you did the experiments? By the way, how old were these television programs you pulled back out of time and space? Well, the oldest one was six years back because television was six years old when this was done. And what program was it?

Do you remember? I don't remember what program, but I know that I'm checking up on some of the stations that Art found that the station... no longer existed. It was out of business. Let's get down to some more basics now. Are you making a lucrative living, out of traveling around the world, evangelizing for flying...

Around the continent, evangelizing for flying saucers? No, Jack, I'm on a vacation to rest my wife because she's been two years in a 40-seat restaurant without a rest more than anything else, and I enjoy these particular things as a sideline. I make my living on the airport, and this research,

is something that I've got more money into than anybody else and more contribution to it. Five years of intensive research without any pay. We donated 10 acres of land with a well worth $23,000, and we formed this corporation for the purpose of building up and investigating this basic material. How long is it going to take you to get your time machine in operation? I mean, the whole sounds so crazy. You must admit, I... I believe there are some odd things, George, but I find it hard to credit because I wasn't there myself, your own experience.

Well, it took them around eight years to grind the mirror for the 200-inch telescope, and the first cyclotron was something like 11 years in the progress of building. But that cost millions, George. You haven't got millions, billions of dollars. No, we don't have the overhead, the drafts, many engineers, and people setting around the payroll. All of our effort on this is voluntary by many people in technical fields that contribute their effort to the project. They all believe in flying saucers. They all believe in flying saucers. You obviously believe totally in flying saucers. Yeah.

Because of that one, does your wife believe in flying saucers? Well, I don't know very many people that don't. It's as obvious as believing in heaven or afterlife or anything else. You have certain things you believe in in life. You believe there's air. We breathe, yet you don't see it. We fly airplanes on it. And this isn't intangible.

We can measure it. But why should these people come down from outer space? Why don't they land in the White House or in Kremlin Square in Moscow and say, hey, listen to us, we can tell you a few things. We're 700 years old. We can travel through space. We're not concerned with time differential. Well, probably they're not concerned with giving us too much of their information

because we'd only use it in our battle to destroy each other here. Did these four men tell you that themselves? No, they didn't tell me that. But this is a reasonable assumption on our part that the world's divided in two camps, each capable of eliminating the old civilization. And if we were to go to another planet and observe this condition, we would certainly be a little cautious about who we talk to or what we revealed. Yeah, but you yourself, was that the only experience you had?

Mind you, that's 11 years ago, in 1953, George. That's right. When you claimed to me, you went up from this elevator into the spaceship and met the guy who's pulled by Ronald Coleman. Was that your only contact with the... That was the only contact I had were the people from the ship. Did you have any...

Have you had any other contacts with people? I've had a recent contact last September, 1963. Well, I don't have to ask you. Tell me. Well, in this case, they drove a car into the airport. They didn't come in a ship. They're walking among us on the earth all the time, and we don't realize it. I'm blessed with.

They? How many was they? Uh, they and the ship was four men. They in the car. The man that came in, there was a man came in by himself in September. You'll be telling me he had Martian license plates on the car? No. They drove a standard American Cadillac. And what did they want with you in 1963, 10 years later?

They gave me some more information pertinent to electronic magnetic research. But how did you know they were from some mysterious place in outer space? You don't know unless they want you to know, and then they'll demonstrate some thing that they can do that we can't do. It's humanly impossible for us to do. What did they demonstrate to you which convinced you an apparently sober, sensible, balanced person who nevertheless believes in flying scientists, that convinced you they were unearthly people? Well, they demonstrated the ability in front of 19 people, setting in a lounge, for instance, that they could sit there and disappear before your eyes and reappear.

fact the man did this three times. For you and your friends? For 19 witnesses that were setting in our lounge. Vanished in front of your eyes. Sit right there in a chair like you're there and then you're not there. And then you're back there. He did this three times. Now I'm going to disappear.

But purely for one minute for this message. The previous foregoing interview was George Van Tassel of Giant Rock Airport, California. Was not, I must stress, presented to you as a scientific examination of George's claims. So many holes in George's claims even to the layman like myself that one is bound to be, how shall I put it, a trifle cynical. All right, so there you go. There is basically the entire interview with Tassel.

And, you know, I wrote something down towards the end of this. And let's just say that Tassel is true. Say to everything this guy is saying is factual and true. What are we missing with UFOs? Because it seems like there's something we're missing with UFOs or this phenomenon, right? So whether it be our contact with advanced life forms or interdimensional beings, if this guy is correct, if this guy is factual, you know, he said he had another contact in 1963 and they were walking among us every day. he literally claims they're walking among us every day in suits and ties or whatever you want to say i just feel like there's something we're missing right i mean you you have david grush right now

that just went in front of congress that has a extremely high up position in government and yet he's coming forward and what is the community doing in the ufo community they're trying to discredit him they're trying to do everything they can to say he's full of shit oh he's a liar he's this and this and yet he literally has worked his entire career to be very successful person that is now coming forward as a whistleblower to say this happened. I know that people are working on this. I know that we have biologics from other places. And Tassel is not just a random psycho dude.

This guy was a test pilot. He owned a freaking airport. He was a successful guy in the field of aviation. And so you have these accounts of people that are saying this shit. And yet media and what mainstream public gets, disseminated is far from that. Well, it's very interesting because he said, they only expose themselves

to the people they want to expose themselves to. So not everyone in the world are going to be exposed to these type of things. It's the people that they want to expose themselves. Just like the people that drove in the car to his airport. I was thinking, well, what kind of like outer space people could drive a car and be like human but not human? Yeah, humanoids or even like lizard people.

You know, a lot of people say lizard people cover themselves up as humans. I don't know. But it has to be something to that extent where they have an ability to look just like us, but they also have an ability way past what we can do. And they're not going to show it to every human being. It's only people they want to show. Now, you're right. And to that point, by the way, you know, what was the, what was the,

the podcast we did where we talked about, you know, people are essentially a soul carriers, you know, that we are a structure, we were a physical structure that actually carries our soul. Right. So how, so if you could just somehow, if you were from another dimension, by the way, which is what we speculate potentially a lot of these UFOs or EAPs, the physical things we are seeing are just somehow crossing the dimension and manifesting themselves in a physical form. Well, then why could they not do that with a human body and just put it into a human body? Right. That makes sense.

It really does. But it was also, he was talking about building these mirrors. And they were working on... For the telescope. Yeah, grinding the glass. I wanted to make sure I said it right. Grinding the glass to make it. And they worked a long time on just this glass part.

So I just want to make sure that we understand that these people are giving him the formula to make this time machine is what the crazy guy calls it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And not to mention. this group of people did not have a ton of money, didn't have,

you know, over it, they didn't have tons of millions of dollars. They didn't have none of this. They were just, you know, obviously, if you get contacted by a,

I don't know, another race or origin of people, not race, but another origin of people either outside of our planet or another dimension or whatever the case is, what would you do,

right? I mean, would you go all out and devote your entire life to trying to figure out what it is that these people wanted you to do? Well, you have the formula.

And it was also interesting, sorry, interesting that within 10 years they visited them again. And you listen to a lot of people that say they've been abducted. They usually are visited more than once. Yeah. And I think there's, you know, I think there's something to that, right? There's something that people that do truly get visited or whatever, you know, abducted. Some people say, I think there's something to it. I think there's a message that that.

They need to know. or dimension or whatever is trying to put out. I'm not sure. But even in this case, this guy was a test pilot. He was somewhat credible as being a test pilot, although, you know, you hear how this guy, this interview in him is kind of setting him up. It's like, oh, this guy, this guy sounds crazy. There's so many holes in his story.

Right. And they're doing the same thing today. You got David Grush coming forward in Congress. And he's saying this. And he has a top secret, one of the highest security clearances of our government. And this guy's a whistleblower, according, and not just him. them, but you got Commander David Fravor, U.S. Navy pilot, you got Ryan Graves. And then potentially we may see a large influx of whistleblowers that may come forward because

of the congressional hearings with David Grush. But just like they did to David Grush, I see it on X today in the UFO community. Everyone, so many of you on the UFO community, you're like, oh, David Grush is full of shit. David Grush is this. David Grush is that. It's like. Well, they say that about Bob Lazar, too. Yeah, it's like the UFO community.

And we could do an entire episode of this. We talked a little bit about it with Ashton. we've talked about it with others. The UFO community is being split so far and wide apart right now that is like, and this is something that, is that what you were going to say? No, I'm just saying when you say that, that just brings all the bills,

because that's what everyone wants us to do is be split and divided. Yeah, because if you split and divide, you cannot ever figure out anything, right? I mean, that's the way politics work. That's the way the UFO community is now is working. You know,

especially now that the UFO community, is getting so intense on the subject of disclosure and we want to know and we got to figure this out. Well, then as it gets to become as it gets to become more serious, there are more people that are devoting their time and efforts and life to it, podcast, videos, productions, scientific research, all of this stuff. Then obviously you have the government officials that have to come in somehow to divide. And, you know, it's like David Rossi said on our podcast with Ashton, the last one we did, where he talks about, you know, for so long we've wanted clear-cut images of UFOs or videos.

And then, but if you have that, they'll still say, oh, that's fake. And yes, a lot of them are fake. The problem is that there's a reason why we have a lot of obviously fake videos, which look extremely real, by the way. And I guess a lot of these are fake. Beta. Sorry, I had to do that. No, but listen.

But the problem, but the problem is is that we. don't know because they're going to influx us with so many fake videos that when we see a clear cut real video we're going to think it's fake right and and that is the best way the government knows how to utilize or to manipulate audiences and that's the scariest thing um guys we're going to get into another video this is from a whistleblower uh that essentially died after he came forward about project looking glass so take the interview we just played you guys and then listen to what this guy has a saying we'll tell you a little bit more about him in just a second here you go one of the caveats that i do have some personal information uh that i did get personally involved in

was some information that had to do with the stargates and looking glass and more specifically the 2012 problem with those projects the popular opinion of what's out there right now is that the project was shut down because there was a problem when we approached 2012. I've heard it described a number of ways, but to my knowledge, the problem is that the timelines converge on that point in time. And when you know enough about the Stargate projects and the Looking Glass project to know how string theory works and how the possibility of possibilities works and how making one choice over here doesn't necessarily mean that the other choice couldn't exist at the same time.

But once you get your brain wrapped around this subject, you find out that at the end of 2012, in an easy way to put it, the choices that we make become less and less consequential to the future. And eventually, we're pushed into this bottleneck of time, no matter which choice we make. And that's important to the people that had access to looking glass, because they would use looking glass, knowing the children that would use looking glass, knowing the choices that they would make and the future would pop up. The big mistake was coming up with the possibility of future. And when we started using a computer to say, well, if we make this choice, it's 79% possible that this scenario happens and 23% possible or whatever, you know,

round numbers, that this scenario would happen. The understanding at the time was that was realistic. However, if you go down the road further and free will continues to exercise itself on this game, that 79% possibility sometimes change is very, very fast. But if you look at the situation in a point of time, it seems very realistic, that's the greatest possibility. What happened was people, very smart people, began to figure out that something big was coming up.

Something that made it so all the possibilities of all the future scenarios of any choice, any possibility that was fed in and observed through the looking glass, inherently ended up in the same future. And no decision, no possibility changed past a certain point. That's the big secret. All possible timelines meet to the same basic set of history in the future.

That is what sends everybody that has all of the information that knows everything into a blind panic. The people that know everything about Looking Glass that have gotten all the reports and all the information, the elites of the world, probably figured out that that was the end of the game.

Nothing could be manipulated beyond that point. When I was in the military, it would have been before 97 when I got in trouble. one of my particular areas that I was amazingly intuitive about is problem solving slash mission planning or more specifically taking a bad mission and fixing it. Certainly knowing how string theory and possible futures works makes it so you can work your mind very quickly to see the reality of what's happening and decide what decisions need to be made to change it for a particular outcome. At a certain point, after they're done hearing the

computer tell them, this is what's going to happen over and over and over and over again. All they become focused on is how do we fix it? What I do know is that I was called in and asked to solve this problem, this timeline contraction problem. And I eventually did my due diligence and did all the investigating and basically only had one piece of information. And that was reinforcement. The computer's right. The timelines will contract down to some inevitable thing. There is an inevitable event. It's been forecast. It's been predicted. It's been fed to us. in a slop trough of what they want us to believe will happen. They don't actually have control over what happens.

They only have control over the reaction, and it seems that no matter what they try to do to cause their desired reaction is going to have an opposite effect, much, much easier for me to explain today what that process is. as opposed to back then, if I had to give it a name, I would say it's the awakening process. It's an evolution of consciousness that cannot, will not, and no matter what decisions or possibilities are injected into the equation, eventually it all results down to us all learning the truth and becoming aware of this massive dam of lies that has been. built that keep us from knowing massive volume of information that we should

otherwise possess. It's essentially what happened with looking glass. Not only did they not want people to use it anymore because they knew it was just going to burp out the same thing, but at the same time they didn't want anybody else to know what it was saying. I'm sure because that information was a monumental concern when I was in the military about how to prevent this inevitability. Now, at first, I thought it was end of the world. Now I see end of the world is end of their world. The biggest cherry on top of all this conversation would be a synopsis to say that

if I could convince everybody out there that for all intents and purposes, what we believe to be true eventually becomes true. If somebody convinces us that a major disaster is going to happen in the very near future, a major disaster happens in the very near future. If we don't buy into that fear and accept that there's really nothing that we know know is going to happen and accept of whatever happens, that makes the convergence of the timelines happen as naturally as possible.

Any attempts to try to go away from this one inevitable conclusion, I again see as a new beginning, an end of this reality, the beginning of something that we can't even possible, understand based on the level of our beliefs currently. But when all that information comes flooding out, there's going to be no denying what's true and what's a lie or what's illusion. Basically, what we're experiencing right now is two master chess players sitting at the board.

One of them looks down at the board and sees that he, He's in checkmate and seven moves. And he looks across that his opponent, and he knows that his opponent sees it too. So there's no getting out of it. So at this point, the loser can only prolong the game. Both players know the game is over. It's only a matter of time before he does this,

and then you're forced to do this, and then he's forced to do this, and eventually checkmate. we as a race if we could understand that the game is over that based on the rules of the game the bad guys have already lost the good guys have already won yes there's moves left on the table but those moves are being forced by the player that is going to win the only one way the checkmate can't happen is if the player that's winning makes a mistake. But from all the information that I've gathered, all of the information that's been given, all of the information that's been vetted to me, it seems pretty obvious that the good guy player on the side of the

chessboard knows exactly what has to be done to win the game. And so at this point, any mistake would be all but impossible. But again, you really have to understand the game to know that the guy that's losing is lost. And I'm sure most people sitting watching a chess match between two advanced chess players know the game's over long after the two players know it's over.

Because they can't see the board and see that there's only seven moves left. Yeah, wow. Okay, that's nuts. And the thing is, is there's so much to unpack with this. I mean, literally so much to unpack. And I don't even know where to begin, to be honest with you. Chess, there will be one loser and one winner.

And typically, the loser knows they're going to lose. And then they just try to prolong the game. Now, we can talk about this in a couple different. scenarios but let's start with project looking glass in a whole right what this really shows and some of the things here is very interesting because i think back on some of the things here makes me think of a i in some ways to where advanced computing can almost you know the amount of AI that the public has right now and how smart it already is well this computing can do so many things for mankind today It can make you a better writer.

It can make you an instant artist. It can make you everything you want it to make you. And it'll tell you anything it wants, you want it to tell you, right? It'll make you the best of anything possible, especially technology or internet or whatever. It can write scripts for you. You can do all these different things. But also, you have to, you guys have to remember just an AI perspective. Whatever the public has had access to AI, imagine how far advanced.

to military and government have had access to AI. We're talking about quantum computing. We're talking about an advanced AI or algorithm to where the government or high-up elites can literally put in things in this computer and try to calculate or marginize risk or depict the future, right? So Project looking glass in whole tells you that there's a formula. And I want to... And it's the same formula.

I bet you anything is the same. formula. Well, the weird thing is here, I'm going, I'm going so strange here because I didn't even know I was going to go here at all. But, you know, so this guy has a formula about how you can look back in time and look up in the future, right, potentially. And with this formula. And you could see that as a time travel thing. So you could potentially see that as we're going to look through dimensions and frequencies and waves. And that can very much still be very possible. One of the things he said was he had access to project looking glass. And they knew what the outcome was going to be. And when we say outcome, what do you mean? Well, outcome is in the future. Yeah, like, what is the result of

this experiment, right? What is the experiment? Well, okay, we'll just take, for example, the United States. The United States of America, democracy is an experiment. We are every day in an experiment of how this works. Will this work out? Can we make it work? Can people get along? And as we're starting to see that the United States or America is breaking down very fast. The world is breaking down very fast. And there are a lot of people come into the realization of what they've always been lied to about by the people that you always trusted in. And this has been a system that has for a very long time has made people content enough to not go against the government, not go against the elites, not go against the systems that are actually enslaving them. Although we always think back in slavery times, right?

You think back to blacks. You think back to even the Israelites in Egypt and not just Israelites. We're talking about Africans in Africa. We're talking about so many slaves. I mean, we're talking about generations, generations, and generations of people. And we oftentimes think about that we are no longer enslaved. But the reality is we still are enslaved. We're enslaved by taxes.

We're enslaved by every single thing that our government makes us do. And if you don't do it, you're going to be homeless or you're going to be in jail. or you're going to be put somewhere. If you go against the government, they're going to tell you you're a terrorist, they're going to put you in prison. They're going to do all these things. And so you have to go by these confined set of rules and laws

or else you are imprisoned or you are even further enslaved. So I'm saying all that to say this. He had access to Looking Glass. And Project Looking Glass showed something major was coming, right? It showed something that was going to be inevitable. Right. and awakening. And no matter how you put in.

Yeah, exactly. And he kept mentioning computer, right? And this system. And no matter what, whatever, no matter what information you kept putting in to try to change the result of what the outcome was going to be based on, if it takes, take for example, if you put in information into AI right now. And no matter what the creators of AI have put in, based on everything the AI knows throughout the entire, the entirety of the internet, through conversations, through,

everything that AI could possibly know and learn, then you would see that AI is going to come to a conclusion if you have an unbiased AI system. If you have just an AI system that is looking at the data that's actually available, AI will continually come to an outcome, right? Now, this is computer-oriented based, right? And so if you think of quantum computing, and you think that maybe the government has some type of system or an algorithm or a formula

to where they can predict the future or maybe even potentially see the future, right? This is all part of a algorithm, which we've always known and loved from YouTube and Google and all these other platforms. But he's specifically talking about, and I keep going back to this,

a system, a formula, an algorithm, a computer to where no matter what you put in, it's going to tell you what the outcome is. But it also kind of goes back to, we are going to get to a cone of time. It is going to be, you know, we know that we're going towards something inevitable. There is no stopping it. No matter what computing system you put it in, every smart computer on the planet,

the smartest of the smartest systems tells you there is something coming. And the bad are not going to succeed. And only if the good do something wrong and make a huge major mistake, will they lose? And they're going to make a mistake because they already know they lost. And this goes back to your good and evil. Yeah, exactly. But I'm saying the good. If the good make a mistake is the only way that they're not going to make a mistake because the bad is already lost is what is saying.

Yeah, exactly. The bad is very lost. But then you go back to the Bible. The Bible already tells you, regardless of whether you believe in God or everything in the Bible or not, almost sounds like they knew the same system existed. God always said that no matter what, one day I'm going to come back. And those evil people, that evil system, the things that think that they are better than me, the things that think they are smarter than me and the things that think that they are the gods and

they do control my people. I'm going to come back and show them. And not only am I going to show them, I want to bring my army with them or with me and I'm going to destroy them. And I will then reign supreme on earth. It even says in the Bible, I will reign supreme on earth. I will bring heaven to earth and I will reign supreme. And it's almost like he says this in the Bible. The Bible says it as if I'm going to come dominate Earth where you thought you were gods, right?

Exactly. And so how does all this stuff kind of correlate? You have computer systems that are saying there's inevitable thing that bad's going to lose, good's going to succeed. You have Project Looking Glass where potentially even in a physical form they could look into the future or look back in time and they could see things and even looking into the future potentially even maybe by remote viewing or whatever they kept seeing the same result. Well, and bending time, manipulating the time.

But to me, I was thinking about it in my. you know, mindset. And I was thinking about as a little girl when I used to play with a little eight ball. Did you ever have an eight ball? Oh, yeah, yeah. And you would ask it a question and shake it and say, you know, will a boy ask me to date him or whatever? Yeah.

And it would say no. And then you're like, oh, I don't want that answer. I'm going to shake it again. Will a boy ask me to date him? And it still says no, because you cannot manipulate the outcome of the eight ball. The eight balls. And then finally, you're going to shake it and you'll say, okay, yes. Oh, I got my answer, but I know it's a false answer because I shook it like 20 times to get what I wanted to say.

Yeah, that's what your conscience is telling you. Yes. Yeah, you're exactly right. But it's, yeah, and it has to do with your conscience too. Yeah. Because he also did say whatever we believe and if we're feared into believing things, it will happen. Yeah. So it does have a lot to do with your consciousness as well.

Yeah. But I just thought about the eight ball scenario, how, you know, we try to manipulate the outcome or the results, but we can't. No matter what we do, whatever the input is, the output is going to be the same. And it was interesting that he said that choices are less of a consequence. It doesn't matter what choices are even being made because the outcome is already there. Yeah. It's already there. And that goes back to what you're talking about in the biblical days.

that outcome is already there because God is all knowing and God already knows the outcome. God knows the end. God knows everything. Yeah. No, I agree with that. And I think you're, you know, if you want to go biblical at all, I mean, and we're not trying to go biblical. But, you know, you do have to go, you have to kind of compare Project Looking Glass, what the government knows about the end of humanity.

And I think that's what they're really talking about here. This is not just, you know, this is not just some computer algorithm that says that, hey, the elites are going to be defeated. or whatever. They are, and that's why they're building bunkers. That's why you have the elites building bunkers all around the world because they know that something's coming. They know that something massive is coming.

They know that there is right now, as this whistleblower says, an evolution of consciousness. Yes. And what this evolution of consciousness is starting to do is starting to awaken people to the lies they've always been told. It is starting to awaken people to what really the power they hold. And there's more people that are, although yes, there are some people in some group. that are putting their beliefs or faith in, I don't know, various things, whether it be God or whether it be agendas or ideologies or whatever the case may be.

But it seems like even with those ideologies, a lot of those ideologies are also then turning against the government even still, right? And so who is our, who is our quote unquote gods on earth? It is our governments. It is our elites and it is our people that think they own everything and control you. and they're starting to be an evolution of consciousness. They're starting to be even a disconnect between if you have one side or the other killing the other side,

even if you are the one side, you can visibly see that you're doing something wrong or that side is doing something wrong and then you're going to speak up about it. And that's what we have to do. But what they don't want you to do is they want you to take one side and them to take another side. Because if you don't, then they don't have,

then something bad is going to happen and it'll be stopped. It'll be destroyed. Yeah, and the sad thing about this whole thing is they are like 10% of the population, and the rest is us and us are the ones they're dividing. And as long as they can keep dividing us, they think they're going to win. But no matter what they do, if they divide us or not, according to Project Looking Glass, they're not going to win. No, they're not. Which makes me feel really good because I always like, how are we going to defeat these elites? What are we going to do as people in communities, as human beings that are not in the elite group, you know, we're just normal people that we care about where we live and what we live on?

How are we going to defeat this? There's no way possible. By the way, to your point to that, I'm going to put or I'm going to read something from our telegram and I actually post it from Ashton. Ashton we stole it from you. Sorry, bro. But no, Ashton posted something that was very true. and I want to get to the pen messages on our telegram. And by the way, guys, if you join our telegram,

you'll see all these pen messages. Ashton, here we go. Ashin had posted last night, he said, how do you defeat someone, to your point exactly what you're saying? And I think we have the answer, by the way. How do you defeat someone who can turn skyscrapers to dust, completely erase whole neighborhoods in an afternoon,

and still a burning bow in 777 midair? Ashton still believes that. And by the way, there's still a lot of evidence out there to maybe. I believe it. But we don't know. But anyway, someone who, when needed, has the complete control of all media and crafts the perception of events and has the most of humanity eaten from its hands. Well, Ashton, I posted that in our telegram. And by the way, I thought it was an amazing point that you made.

It is very scary. It is a daunting task to look at that and say, how are we ever going to win? But I think the thing is that these people probably more than you are, are. more scared about how they're going to win than you are. Because they already know they've lost. And this is like great news for us. This is a win for civilization. Yeah.

And by the way, this is not some propaganda crap. We literally, we just started looking at Project Looking Glass. It's amazing. It's really crazy stuff. Yeah, we started looking this up. And you can take this a couple of different ways.

Project Looking Glass looked at both the past and the future. And I think this formula for whatever reason has been, the formula that say that these aliens or these beings from another place. And it was frequency equals one over time. Over time, yeah. Yeah. But say that this somehow was put into an algorithm in some type of AI system and some type of maybe this formula was finally figured out to be an algorithm or a way to be able to

predict things at the very least, by the way. This could be far more advanced than this. But I'm just saying just take it from another smaller level. and I say small, but AI is going to take over, but AI has a computing brain, much like, you know, a million people at once in a second. And so the power behind that is insane.

And so if you ask AI or you ask a computing system, what will happen and how do we do this and how do we do that? It's going to always give you the same outcome. Oh, well, there's 10% of you and there's this amount of this people. And then they've been lied to over this long and now they have this much information where you're screwed. And that's what it's going to tell you. And I don't know when, I don't know how, but this is probably the likelihood of you guys not winning and they are going to win.

And we're talking about good versus bad, right? And it's just a, I say it's a simple mathematical formula and to AI it is, but to a quantum computing system, it's going to probably break it down to potentially even timelines and whatever. But I think Project Looking Glass is so much bigger. I think it's bigger. I think that's just, I think if you look at quantum computing AI prediction, I think that is, the very base level of project looking glass to where you can actually look into the future or the past.

But I just think if you look at like the system of trying to predict things, it is like junior step one of looking into the future. But I think there's definitely ways you can absolutely look in the future. I want to tell you about this whistleblower. I'm sure. Did you have something to say? I just wanted to make sure. Oh, about Chris Woods.

Well, I just wanted to. Bill Wood. I mean, Bill Wood, sorry. I just wanted to say this is another like kind of my childhood mind. thinking is mirror mirror on the wall. Who is the elite as all? Not me. Who is the what?

I'm going to lose. The elite of all. Oh, elite of them all. Because it's what they're doing. They're continuing to look in this mirror and ask the same question and they're getting the same result. Yeah. So I just wanted to put it out there.

Well, so Bill Wood, by the way, the guy that we just listened to the whistleblower. He's also known as Bill Brock Braider was a prominent figure in the UFO and conspiracy theory community, say this is what it always says, and this is AI, and he gained notoriety for his claims about the top secret project looking glass, which he said was a device that could view alternate timelines and potential futures, right? Now, Wood passed away in 2012, leaving behind a legacy of speculation and controversy. Some people believe that his death was suspicious and may have been related to the involvement in Project Looking Glass. So that's the number one thing, right? And in that interview, as you heard him talking here, he was specifically talking about

something that was coming up in 2012 and I don't know what I think that would that interview was 2010 late 2010 well I was reading something that was going to majorly happen in 2027 according to this looking glass formula yeah I've heard that as well I mean that's all speculative but the very least he said something you know 2012 as things kind of came along which I believe if I'm not mistaken that's when Barack Obama came in the office was 2012 I don't know if that's anything a bit connected but the very least, this guy died in 2012, and this is shortly after he came out with his involvement in Project Looking Glass. And I don't know exactly how he died. You guys can tell me, but apparently it was a very suspicious death. It was very strange. And many people speculate that he died because

of Project Looking Glass. And he was a whistleblower. He was a young dude, too. I mean, pretty young. I mean, he was probably late 30s, I would assume. But, you know, but to this point, Project Looking Glass was a lot more than just AI, what I'm talking about. I'm literally comparing it to an algorithm to where if you put it in a computing system, which is also what Bill Wood says, they would put stuff like this in a computing system and a formula, aka probably an algorithm, and it was continuing to give them the same result.

Yes. But Project Looking Glass was much bigger than just that. Project Looking Glass was, it was far more than potential AI. So I want to play this next. Wait, is this next clip? At this point, we begin our second part, which is a section that contains what I call excerpts from the government Bible. I call out that because, as you can tell from part one, there's a small segment of the United States government that makes scientific and technological judgments from a knowledge base that is not available to the general public. The program out at Area S4 consisted of three projects.

Project Galileo, Project Sidekick, and Project Looking Glass. Project Galileo dealt with gravity propulsion and was the source of all the information you've learned in this first section. Project Sidekick dealt with a beam weapon that had a neutron source and was focused by a gravity lens. Project Looking Glass dealt with the physics of seeing back in time. If the following information is true, the United States government also makes judgments on a historical, philosophical, and even theological level from a knowledge base that it's not available to the general public. These are excerpts from some of that information. All right, that was Bob Lazar.

This is Bob Lazar talking about the three projects at Area S4. Area S4 was a subset of Area 51. Obviously, Area 51 has been synonymous with UFO encounters or UFO sightings. It is one of the most top secretive military bases in the United States, or at the very least, at one time was, many people believe that a lot of the research that they were doing at area 51 or area s4 has since been foregone they probably have this somewhere underground now we've done episodes on that as well in the past but what i find interesting here is that according to most of the evidence and most people look at bob lazar most people can come to the conclusion that at the very least he was at area s four we know he was for sure at los alamos because he had his name on logs. There was people there that knew him. But then there were also scientists that said that they potentially saw him or knew of him to be at area S4. There was so much he knew about area S4 that there were a couple other whistleblowers that had been working at area S4 that had come

out and said very similar things to Bob Lazar. So I believe Bob Lazar, number one. And the reason why I want to play that, although we do not have the full clip of that, he talks about the three projects, right? And out of those three projects, the third one being Project Looking Glass. So this is just yet another example. Project Looking Glass was real. It was at that time back in the day, it was a way to look back in the past. But I think if you listen to this whistleblower, I think they've kind of correlated it and figured out to be a way to look in the future. And did they use AI? Did they use computers to do that? We don't know. Or is it far more advanced to that? Like I said, I think we're just scratching the surface.

And I think maybe we're going to have to do a part two on this to kind of dive deeper into this topic. But anyways, guys, that's probably going to be it for tonight. Like I said, this is probably going to be a part two coming up either tomorrow the next day. We hope to get it out tomorrow the next day. There's a lot more to dig into this. What we really wanted to talk about tonight was the, I guess the historical context of this, historical witnesses, whistleblowers and so on. but there is a lot more to get into with Project Looking Glass. But for tonight, we're going to leave it there.

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