Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Quadruple Murder in Tennessee: Austin Drummond on the Run

Episode Date: August 5, 2025

A horrifying scene in Dyer County, Tennessee: four family members brutally murdered, a 7-month-old baby abandoned in a stranger’s car seat, and one man now at the center of a massive manhunt, Austin Drummond. In this episode, we break down everything we know about the Dyersburg quadruple homicide that has shocked the state and grabbed national headlines. Who were the victims? What was Drummond’s connection to the family? How did law enforcement identify him so quickly — and is there a deeper gang connection involving the Vice Lords? We take you inside the investigation, the timeline of events, and the disturbing unanswered questions surrounding this developing case.

like days. Hello and welcome to Investigator with Podcast. I'm your host chat alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. On tonight's episode, we're diving to one of the most disturbing stories that come out of Tennessee in recent memory, a brutal quadruple murder that's left a small community shaken, a baby abandoned, and a dangerous man still on the run. Now the suspect, Austin Robert Drummond, a known gang member with a violent past who now stands accused of killing four people, including a 15-year-old boy and the young parents of an infant girl who was later found abandoned miles away. As the manhunt intensifies more people are being arrested for allegedly helping drum and evade justice. The big question tonight is what's really going on? What happened and how deep

does this story go? Let's break it all down. Guys, welcome to the show. It is August of 4th, 2025. And the name of this song is Riot by Blood Red Sun. Now, Sherry, obviously, you have been pretty invested into the story. And we actually have quite a few good episodes on the horizon, but those stories can wait. We wanted to talk about this quadruple murder out of Tennessee near Jackson, Tennessee, for those that are familiar, it's western part of Tennessee near Memphis. This does obviously, it sounds like have gang ties.

And then also Austin Drummond, he has been in and out of prison. He served, I believe, what, 10 years? 13 years. 13 years in prison. He then attempts a murder inside of prison. And then once he is let out for a serving that 13 years, he is then, I guess, brought back in on pending charges for the attempted murder to where he is released on what a $30,000.

$30,000 bail. Yes. So which is crazy. So not only are we going to talk about the murders, how heinous this stuff was, it is pretty dark, but also just how does the justice system keep screwing this up? And especially when we see things that we've seen over the past four to eight years where, you know, some of those violent offenders are let out on a regular basis with little to nobel. We actually had Attorney Ken Good on where we've talked about that multiple times.

But we're also going to break down just who Austin Drummond was. What gang was he involved in? How notorious is this gang? And how much involvement do they have in Tennessee? This is a pretty crazy story, Sherry. I mean, this guy essentially goes and murders for people not long after he gets out of prison. Do we know exactly how long he was out of prison? Yeah, he was almost out of prison for a year.

He got out last September. So he was out over almost a year. And what's crazy about this whole story is the way he knows this family that he ended up killing is by his either former girlfriend or girlfriend for, you know, a few days ago that they just broke up because they on Facebook went to Gatlinburg together just recently, like within the week of these murders. Wow. And this girl, Caitlin, is the sister of the grandmother that she was one of the ones that was killed. Yeah, the grandmother's only 38. the way. This is the abandoned baby's grandmother, right? Right. And the abandoned baby was found, what, 20 or 40 miles away from where the murders actually happened? But what's crazy is Caitlin,

which is Courtney's sister, she was actually a corrections officer in the prison that Austin was in for 13 years. Wow. And it is believed that she was also helping him on the inside with the drug drops or whatever else you had. Because if you go to his Facebook, you would be like absolutely floored to see what was in his prison cell. He had commissary out the door, like tons and tons of commissary. He was even playing video games. He had a PlayStation. He had cell phones.

He had guns. He had drugs. He was living the life in jail. Yeah. And that's interesting too because, you know, this gang and what we're going to go over, the gang is very well known in Tennessee, not just Tennessee, but they're kind of all over the United States, predominantly in Tennessee and Chicago, I believe. and a couple other locations.

But man, how do you get a gun inside a prison and not just a gun? You got gaming systems, cell phones, you name it. And I've heard some rumors. I guess a lot of this was also being potentially delivered by drones. You know, and this is what a lot of people are doing nowadays when the inmates go to the yard or whatever. They will get these accomplices, these people that will help them bring in, whether it be drugs or weapons or whatever. And they're just dropping them down on drones now. and there's actually been some people on YouTube that has shown how easy this is actually to do,

especially in this particular area. But it's just a crazy story, which we're going to go over. Before we go over that story, we did just want to kind of update everybody. Yes, we've been in and out. This is August. This is our new month. We almost did not think we were going to have an episode tonight, but because, of course, our freaking power goes out. I don't know what happened exactly, but I think there was the transformer that went down.

And it just seems so weird because it's like we are getting. more and more power outages or internet outages on a regular basis. We're hearing so many people also saying the same thing or similar, including your daughter. She has constant power outages probably once a week. We have had people report this across the country, especially when we have talked about this on the podcast before. It just seems all too very strange.

And then obviously an episode that we're going to have coming up soon, we're going to try our very best not to go too crazy on politics in the month of August or even really just going forward. but obviously things like, you know, the United States and Russia and their talk back and forth right now about a nuclear war where Trump is threatening Russia and Russia's threatened in the United States. And, you know, I recently just read a post about the potential of an EMP attack and how advanced China's EMP abilities really are.

And then thinking about like how outdated our power systems are in the United States, I mean, literally you can crash a car into a pole and take out power for. thousands of people. But imagine an EMP device, which can easily access our power grid systems to where it could completely take out everything and every bit of life that we knew in instantaneously. Now, there's a lot of people to speculate, you know, is an EMP attack on the United States even possible? Do we have really good defense systems for EMP attacks? There are some people that argue we do. Some people that argue that we do not have that. And there's a lot of people to even say our EMP capabilities are not even on par with China.

But so we have that coming up that we're going to talk about. I think we have to talk about that, especially as things or advancing Trump is moving nuclear submarines and certain, I guess you can say aspects of our military into regions near and around Russia. We're going to talk about that. We also are going to be talking about some paranormal stuff coming up. Obviously, we are only in August. Spooky season is a couple months away, but we're going to talk about the Amnivil Horror story.

we have the Farrell People episode coming up and we actually have a guest that's going to come on, I believe, for that show. It's just a very busy time for that guest right now with election going on. You go, girl. And we're not even talking about Nick. We're talking about Nick's wife. So we're going to bring Brittany back on. We're going to talk about the Farrell people of Appalachia. That's going to be really fun episode.

We're going to just try to do more fun shit, right? And we're also just going to be as laid back with you guys as possible. you know one thing i've learned i guess over this past six months and you know we've said this on other episodes um it's just that don't put so much faith in politics or government and that doesn't that i think that goes across the board with anybody um i mean obviously there are certain people that you fight for and you really want in office but at the end of the day we're all really fighting for each other which is the exact reason why we got into this podcast to begin with we did not get into this podcast to fight for politicians.

We weren't paid or sponsored by the Republican National Convention or the Democrat National Convention. We are ourselves. We fight for you guys. We fight for our voices, not the government. And our main mission is to maintain what the government of the United States or America was initially set up for, which was to work and fight for us, not for us working and fighting for them.

And so I just wanted to clear that, clear that up. Because, like I said, we've got a lot of hate mail, especially when we have, You know, even question or criticize Trump on the Epstein thing or whatever it is. It seems like there has been some kind of coordinated, almost coordinated attacks our way. And it's ramping up heavily. And especially when we talk about Israel or in the context of Israel. So there's a lot of stuff we've been kind of dealing with. But there's also a reason why we are going to branch out a little bit from the podcast.

Now, we're going to maintain this podcast just like we always have. We're going to try to have, you know, 12 to 15 episodes or 10, I guess I should say 10 to 15 episodes per month. But I also do have a YouTube channel that we just renamed again. But this is going to be, this is going to be my thing. Yeah, this is Chad's. Yeah, I'm going to be a guest on there, right? Yeah, for sure. And it's going to be driving a truck.

Well, so we're going to do on YouTube. And I want you guys to go follow us, see free live, a C and then free and then live. And it's just see free. That's what it's going to be. we're going to do gaming commentary. We're going to talk about like popular things. We're going to not really get so much into politics or any of that stuff. We're going to do gaming content as well, some really cool stuff.

And even if you're not necessarily into gaming, some of the things I want to do, like even with flight simulator to where we go to Area 51 base and do patrol missions and kind of show you the lay of land of this region in Nevada. And so I think stuff like that would be awesome. I'm sharing I are going to do the American Truck Simulator content to where maybe we have a couple of glasses of wine and, and go drive some semi trucks. Oh, because it's fun. And I've done it before. Believe me. And we had a lot of fans because they love to see me drive a truck.

Yeah. Sherry is pretty interesting driving trucks. So make sure you go follow C free live on YouTube. And we're going to probably have our first live up probably within this week. And then Sherry's also going to do a true crime podcast slash YouTube, whatever. And so that's what she's going to be working on as well. So those are going to kind of be our side, you know, kind of our side items. Our side gigs.

Yeah, our side gigs beyond the podcast. And the reason why that we're choosing to do that is because, you know, we do talk about a lot of heavy stuff. And we're going to try to even pull back on some of the real political heavy stuff on this show. But that's also going to give us just another outlet to go and have fun to where you guys can really see our personalities and just having fun and not talking about crazy. Well, fun on your show, not on mine necessarily. Yeah, not necessarily on yours. But that's my passion. So, yeah.

So it should be a good time. So let's go ahead and overview exactly what has happened with this murder. Here's the incident overview. On July 29, 2025, authorities discovered the bodies of four relatives of a seven-month-old, yeah, of a seven-month-old baby in Lake County, Tennessee near Tiptonville. Now, these were identified as James M. Wilson, 21, Adriana Williams, 20, Courtney Rose 38, and Braden Williams 15. Now, the infant later identified as the daughter of Wilson and Williams was found alive,

but abandoned a car seat in a yard about 25 to 40 miles away in Tigrit, Tennessee. Now, the suspect right now is Austin Robert Drummond. Reputation 28-year-old criminal history includes armed robbery in 2013 and alleged attempted murder. While incarcerated, members of the Vice Lord Street Gang with prior disciplinary records, we're going to go into the Vice Lords in just a bit. Now, right now he's faced multiple charges, including four counts of first-degree murder, aggravated kidnapping, four counts of felon and position. of a firearm plus weapons offenses related to committing other dangerous

felonies current status right now is drummond remains at large considered armed and dangerous and is believed to be hiding in or around jackson tennessee now the reward is combined reward for information leading to his captures up to 30 000 at the moment i want to go ahead and quickly play the court tv piece on this murder um this was kind of the initial uh you know kind of the baseline of what happened, what authorities were doing, and then we'll break a little bit of that down. Then we're going to go further into what really happened on that day of July 29th, who the vice lords is.

Why did he have so much commissary and was even able to have firearms and all this stuff in prison? Was he a higher up? Was he a nobody? Here's the story. Listen. All right. We're breaking into testimony for breaking news out of Tennessee, where officials are holding a news conference in the abandoned baby family murders.

I want to get you now to that presser. In this effort, and really I'm extremely proud of our team here at TBI. They have been working around the clock, putting in every resource that we have to attempt to want to investigate this case, but also to bring resolution. And so with that, I will turn it over to General Goodman for his comments. General. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for being here. I don't have a lot to add, but I do have a few things that I would like to say.

First of all, there can't be any more tragic tragedy in a family or anything more tragic to happen to a person than the loss of a family member. Unfortunately, we have, in this case, family who have lost multiple people. And so our heart goes out to the family. It goes out to the family that's going to be dealing with the child and raise it. a child that has lost both parents now. So our hearts go out for those individuals. I would like to thank the law enforcement. This has been nothing short of impressive with what they've done.

As Director Ralph said, they've worked 24 hours a day. I don't think I've ever been so impressed with anyone as I have with the bunch that's worth this. Information has come in so rapidly in this case. It seems like just every five to ten minutes there's new information. coming in. So without this team, the tears, there's no way we would be where we are at this point. So I want to thank them for that. The other thing is we are dealing with an extremely violent individual. This was what we would think is an isolated incident. It's not anything

to where we think the community is in danger because of a person who may be out here randomly targeting people because we don't think that's the case at all. However, we do need the community to be very careful. We do not need them to try to approach this person. We do need your help. And we appreciate the media being here because there's a lot of things we couldn't do and information we couldn't get out without you. But we need the community as well. So if anyone does have any information, don't approach the individual. Just contact the TBI hotline, call 911, call your local authorities. They will get you to the right person. But just please do not approach this individual. Not only is he known to be a violent offender because of this incident,

he's been violent in the past. So we know that this is an individual who could cause a person's damage. So just be very careful when you're out there. And other than that, I'll take questions in a few minutes if you have any, but I'm going to turn it over. It's someone that wants to be yeah, okay, all right. And I do want to stop here for a second because obviously this press conference is much different than even the Idaho four murders to where the police department there in Moscow, Idaho came out and essentially said all clear. You know, don't have to worry about too much. It was targeted.

We think this is a targeted attack, even though they actually did not have any idea whether this was targeted at the time or not whatsoever. They, at least to our knowledge, they had no evidence that the Idaho four murders were a targeted attack. Now, did they have evidence at this time that this was a targeted attack? likely. There's a lot of, I guess, stems that kind of come from Austin Drummond and the connection to the four victims. But even still, he says, you know, if you see him out, do not approach him. He's still very violent. He's still very dangerous. And although, yes, we do believe this is targeted, you know, you're still not safe to try to approach him or try to apprehend him or, you know, anything like that. Yeah. Just at 16 years old, he went to jail for 13 years for robbing a convenience store with a weapon. And he was dangerous then.

And then throughout his prison sentence of 13 years, he did some brutal damage to people. Like, he had a lot of offenses. I listened to one of his parole meetings today. It was like a 10-minute meeting. But the meeting was so unorganized and didn't even ask him, like, how are you trying to better yourself? What are you doing? Are you ready to be out in the community? In the community.

There was nothing mentioned. It was just like fact-driven and talking about all of his offenses while he was in prison for 13 years. And from what it sounded like, he is a higher up in a gang and he has a lot of stuff that makes him higher up. Yeah. And I'm talking about when you have commissary, when you have games, when you have cell phones, when you have weapons like guns in a prison, you're going to be a higher up and people are going to be scared of you. Yeah. And it's kind of strange too because the vice lords, which we're going to talk. talk about in just a bit. That is who he was connected with. That is the gang he is connected with.

Now, Austin Drummond is this white guy. He kind of looks like a country boy, white dude. If you look at the vice lords and a lot of the arrests that have come from the vice lords and even some of the accomplices, it seems like he has had during this murder and the manhunt that they are currently, that's currently underway for Austin. A lot of his, I guess, allies or whoever. Associates. They are black. It looks like. Like the vice lords are predominantly a black gang. Yeah, they came out of Chicago, Illinois. Yeah, Chicago.

And so this white guy, this country kind of white dude, kind of unassuming. If you look at his picture, if you kind of look in what he, you know, what he looks like or at least over the past two or three or four years, guy kind of seems unassuming. Obviously, some of his prison photos and pictures, you know, obviously he looks a little more prison oriented. He's got the shaved head. He's, you know, a little more built than he used to be, I guess probably probably probably probably. to prison. But, but yeah, this guy obviously has some higher up connections in this gang for whatever reason.

And that's interesting to me. And even during his first trial when he got the 13 years, he was threatening the jurors. I guess he had a phone call with his father saying that they were on his hit list. He was going to go after all of them that found him guilty. Yeah. So he has been a very violent character since he was a young age. Yeah. And that kind of reminds me of the, you know, Mark Hayes murder.

and, you know, kind of what happened there with that case where I guess Shelby got convicted or I guess he took a plea deal, took a plea deal for the Marquay's murder. But, you know, I think he did very similar things. Did he not? I mean, he was intimidated witnesses because he had a cell phone in his prison cell. Yeah, and that's one of the things that Shelby had, you know, during the Marquez thing was he had cell phones. He had connections. He had these people outside of prison that were always kind of providing for him. and I think, you know, for a lot of young people, as they are growing up without fathers,

they're growing up without this stable environment in their house, you know, they, they tend to go to gangs because of that. They don't have a father figure. And these, these gang members oftentimes are the only people that they feel like care about them, although usually gang members don't give a damn about you in most cases. Now, if it involves them or something they are involved in to where you might roll on them, that's when maybe they're going to come to your aid, you know, for so long because they're like, shit, if he gets back in and we had any connection to any of this, we're going to be screwed. But it seems like in Austin's case, he had a pretty good family and a fairly good family, you know, dynamic as far as his mother and father.

Yeah. All right. I want to get to a little more of this press conference listen. For the United States Marshal Service, I want to send our sincere condoluses to the family of those. affected against such a tragic loss. I cannot imagine what they may be going through. And I'm a firm believer that the only way to achieve some type of justice, if you will, is to hold someone accountable. And that's why we are assembled here today. Everyone here, although we may wear different badges, different lapel pens,

our agencies have different names. Some are federal, some are state, some are local. But let me assure you, we are unified in our efforts to find Austin Drummond. This individual has shown propensity for violence and he needs to be taken off the streets. We would like to do that peacefully. We would like for him to turn himself in, turn himself in. That will be the goal. The goal would be a safe surrender.

and that way we can assure that he's taking into custody safely and that there's no injury to law enforcement or the public. But let me assure you this. The U.S. Marshal Service will not stop until he is in custody. We have our whole team dedicated and prioritizing this incident and it's not a matter of if, but a matter of when he's found. And it's not just here in West Tennessee, but we have support divisions at headquarters that are also assisting in this effort.

So as you know, there's been a reward offered, and to those who may know where he is, we don't care about where he may be other than you pay, you've given us the information, and you will get paid, no questions asked. So that is the priority, is for him to be. turn himself in. But if not, then that reward does stand, and we will gladly take him into custody. And again, I want to thank everybody involved. The TBI has done a phenomenal job, as always, with the investigation, the other law enforcement agencies that have been mentioned, everyone, we are unified in our efforts to find him. So again, I just want to thank you for being here today

and helping us get this message out. All right. So that was the initial press conference where the TBI, Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, obviously U.S. Marshals, the sheriff's office, they were essentially just commenting on the initial stages of the investigation. Now, what we can say is this happened, you know, a few days ago. It is now August of 4th. Yeah, it started on Tuesday. It happened Tuesday. They found the baby abandoned. Yes. And he actually was the one that put the baby out in the yard and made sure somebody knew that the baby was there. So he obviously had some kind of feelings for babies or maybe it's because gangs don't go for killing babies on purpose. I don't know.

Yeah. But the baby was found first. And then moments later that night is when they found the four family members tied to the baby. After they found the bodies. A day later, they found the white otty that he appeared to be living in. It looked like he was living in it. There was all kinds of trash and stuff in there.

It was close to the woods. And a lot of people say that maybe his affiliates must have picked him up on the side the road and are helping him move from place to place. But that's been the only sighting so far is when they found the pickup truck, which belonged to Matthew, the 21-year-old, the dad of the baby. They found his truck. They towed it. And they towed the Audi.

And I think there was one other car that they had towed. But that's the only sighting they've had. As a matter of fact, today, they didn't even know if he was in Tennessee at all. Yeah. Yeah. Even though, you know, over the past two days and I've been looking on flight radar, they have been flying the highway patrol helicopter over Jackson and the town just north of Jackson all the time. I mean, they're up in the air a lot. And not only are they in the air with helicopters,

they also have an aircraft. I think the aircraft, I can't even remember what it is. The Pilates, I believe, it's a Pilates type aircraft. It is a turboprop, but they usually have sonar on some of those Tennessee Highway Patrol. U.S. Marshals, FBI, they often use these aircraft. They're usually fly it like 17 to 18,000 beat. They will orbit a particular area. And this camera system on the bottom of this aircraft is far advanced. I mean, you're talking about Fleer. You're talking about thermal.

You're talking about every type of camera that you can possibly have on a federal aircraft. Just imagine a federal aircraft flying above and you put that same aircraft with the same technology in a wartime scenario. You can see everything. And so I don't know if any of you guys have ever saw the camera systems that say the Apache gunships, the helicopters in Afghanistan and Iraq use to where it kind of lights up everything. Those are flea systems usually or thermals, but it'll light up everything. And you can see people walking and run in in certain areas.

You can see everything like it's daytime. So they've been flying that Pilatus, you know, overhead. They've been orbiting in this particular area. And then you'll also see the Tennessee Highway Patrol helicopter. That's usually about 20 miles south of there. So they're coordinating together in the sense of the federal agencies are using their aircraft. to coordinate a search grid or a pattern. And then you also have Tennessee Highway Patrol.

You probably also have some other assets that are not ADSB, which means you're not going to be able to see those on flight radar. I mean, that's the smart thing to do, especially if this guy is smart enough, he has a cell phone, which we'll talk about in a little bit. But if he has a cell phone and he's able to look at flight radar and kind of see where helicopters are searching,

where they're not, the question is, is like, obviously if this guy's car was found near a wooded area, right? and you know this from what we understand he's not necessarily known to be a woodsman although yes there are some pictures of him in camo he's from tennessee he kind of look like a country boy i guess growing up and so woodsman to that degree wouldn't necessarily classify him as a woodsman he's been in prison more than he's been in the woods um so i mean and that's just the reality of it so he's likely not going to be the type of person really to survive in a wooded scenario situation in this environment

and especially if you have these aircraft that I just talked about with the Fleer and the thermals and everything that are flying above, if you're anywhere in those woods, you're going to be found. But it's been six days and they still have not found him. Yes. What I think, and we're going to get into some more videos, but,

you know, just think about this. If this guy, Austin Drummond is in prison, he seems to be decently high up in this gang. You know, with the fact that he has all this commissary and weapons and cell phones and you name it and people flying drones in to give him shit.

You know, if he's kind of this high up of a position in this gang, then likely where he's at is with one of his associates or they're hiding them out in some safe house, some house that they have, you know, and for people to don't understand, when we're talking about the vice lords, which is this gang, the vice lords are pretty extensive. They're not just some random gang that kind of popped up out of nowhere. These guys are pretty extensive as far as their past and their history. Just to kind of give you a little bit of the gang history of the vice lords. They were found in late 1950s.

They were found in Chicago, Illinois, a north of Laundell neighborhood. The founders were Edward Papalo Perry and several others. The original name was conservative vice lords. I guess original purpose was initially created as a neighborhood club for African American youths, but quickly evolved into a violent street gang. They main colors are red and gold, though sometimes black and gold. The common symbols are top hats, canes, champagne glasses, playboy bunnies, five pointed stars show an allegiance to the People Nation and the Crescent Moon.

Hand signs, members often use five pointed hand signs and gestures to represent the People Nation Alliance. The vice lords are split into multiple factions with varying ideologies and rivalries. So they have the conservative vice ls or CVLs. They have traveling vice ls or TVLs, insane vice swords, IVL, and unknown viceords, UVL, and then elite vice lords and others. And so factions sometimes feud among themselves, even while sharing overall affiliation with the vice swords. So the criminal activity in general, they're classified as a criminal street gang and have

been connected to drug trafficking, crack, heroin, meth, marijuana, pills, weapons, trafficking, armed robbery, burglary, murder, and assault, witness, intimidation. gang recruitment and forced initiation, prostitution and human trafficking, and they are organized enough to be considered part of the National Gang Threat Assessment by the FBI. And so the vice wards in Tennessee,

major cities of activity is Memphis, Nashville, Jackson, Dyersburg, or Dyer County, and Clarksville. So Jackson is where Drummond is essentially kind of from. I mean, he's from, I guess, an outlying town. But yeah, Jackson, Tennessee, obviously, Memphis is one of the most dangerous city in the entire country for people to don't understand that.

Memphis, Tennessee is a very violent town. They usually rank in the top 10 of most deadly cities in the country. Spartanburg, actually, where we live near was also on that list at one point in time. I think that Spartanburg was ranked number eight. But Memphis is usually always up there. And oftentimes Memphis is like top five, top three over Flint, Michigan and some of these other places. There's, I think, a couple towns in Alabama that usually rank pretty high. but Memphis is a very, very violent place.

And in large part, because of the vice lords. The vice lords are considered one of the biggest gangs in Tennessee, and especially in Memphis, Jackson, and Clarksville. So although the gang was started in Chicago, they have obviously went across the country. It was a predominantly black gang. And I believe it still is, which is also the interesting part of this Austin Drummond thing, because this guy having so much power and authority, it sounds like in this gang. and with all the, you know, with all the benefits he has received in prison, you know,

it is interesting to me, I guess, is what I'm saying. Now, Memphis is one of the most active areas for the vice lords in Tennessee, and they have long been conflict with rival gangs like the gangster disciples or GDs and the Crips. And the vice lords in Memphis have been linked to drug trafficking shootings, retaliatory killings and territorial disputes. And Memphis police have identified various sets, including the traveling vice lords and unknown vice lords. And then you also have a little bit of this in Nashville.

National law enforcement has encountered vice lord influence, especially in North Nashville. But, you know, Nashville's policing is, you know, I would say probably not authoritarian, but they just have a better police force. They got a better gang unit, although you would think Memphis would. But then you start looking at Memphis and kind of their political makeup. A lot of Memphis's political makeup, whoever's in office there, it kind of seems like they like or allow this stuff to happen. for whatever reason Memphis is a place that is run rampant with gang activity.

Nashville is definitely not the same because Nashville has a lot of tourism to protect. You know, you have the music industry there. You have so much tourism that would be affected by mass gang activity like you see in Chicago or Memphis. So Nashville really does try their very best to hamper down on that. And that just proves when you do have actual successful gang units in places like Nashville, it does work. but if you don't give a damn and you let people out all the freaking time like in Memphis and Jackson and whoever that have repeat offenders, violent crime offenders, you just breed bigger gangs and you allow them to almost take over cities.

Now, most people, I guess, don't think that gangs are as prominent as it used to be. You know, you go back to like the, you know, the 40s and the 50s and the 60s when there were mafia and, you know, the mafia ran towns like New York and Chicago and all this. and there's a lot of gangs today that actually are running towns, and especially in Chicago. I mean, look at Chicago. Look at how devastating the gang violence has been in Chicago. Look how many people die on a regular basis in Chicago.

And it's not just Chicago, as we said, Memphis, in Los Angeles, and New York and various places in New York. But then there's also the smaller towns, you know, in Alabama. You know, Tuscaloosa, Lusca is a very, very violent place as well. Tulsa, Oklahoma, you know, they have horrific gang activity. and it's even starting to pop up in Spartanburg. You know, Spartanburg, South Carolina, there's shootings all the time that happened. There was, I think a guy that got shot driving his vehicle the other day.

There was a young baby that just died. Got shot in the neck through an apartment. That was two days ago, you know, and Spartanburg is not some big, you know, city center. Yeah, we're small town kind of like Jackson, Tennessee is. It is, absolutely. But gangs are starting to heavily prevail in a lot of towns that are that, and I'm not even saying necessarily the Spartan is allowing it to necessarily happen. But when you don't necessarily, I guess, have organized gang units that really go after

these people that are not connected in ways that they should be, whether it be in the school systems. We talk to Nick Duncan about that, which is, by the way, election night is tomorrow or tomorrow. Election day is tomorrow for Nick. That's the runoff. And then there will be the top two candidates for anybody to fall in Spartberg. Sheriff for Spartanburg. And then you got Dyer County in Dyersburg, Austin Drummond, the suspect in the quadruple murders and Dyersburg, 2025, an alleged connections to the vice lord's would talk about.

And law enforcement in Dyer County has struggled in recent years with increasing vice lord presence, particularly as crime moves from urban centers of rural Tennessee. And there's been several individuals arrested as accessory in the Dyersburg case. It's also suspected of vice lord ties. So now the FBI and ATF involvement in this, they're a part of federal investigation due to their multi-state coordination. And so in Tennessee, task force include an ATF, which is obviously the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, which I think is unconstitutional, but whatever. The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, or TBI, Federal Bureau of Investigation, FBI and Gang Task Force.

And so recent high-profile cases in Tennessee in 2021, there was a huge Memphis drug bust. Over 30 vice-lords members were indicted for a drug trafficking ring tied to cocaine and fentanyl operating in coordination with other gangs. In 2022, National Racketeering case, federal prosecutors charged multiple vice lord members with racketeering and conspiracy in a case involving murder for hire and interstate drug movement. Obviously, the 2025, recent one, Austin Drummond, the alleged shooter. Several suspects have been arrested, which we're going to talk about in just a second. But I do. Go ahead, Sherry. And but before we do, it's very interesting where the bodies were found. They were found very close to the prison where Austin Drummond spent 13 years of his life.

And it is suspected that they were doing drug drops there and they were using drones to drop the drugs into the prison facility. Yeah. And I'm talking about Matthew and Adriana. That is the couple that was had the baby. Yeah. And then Adriana's mother, which was Courtney Rose and her little brother, which was Brayden. And Braden was just 15 years old. And there is speculation that the reason why Brayden was there is maybe they were even getting him affiliated. into these drug drugs drops and possibly into these gangs. And it was a hit ordered on this family because it was a drug deal that went bad. This is one of the theories. So yeah, but theory, but we have no idea, right? But what is the theory?

Just talking about that besides the 15 year old, do is speculation that potentially the people that were murdered or involved in some way should perform? Yes, that they were doing the drug drops. Just like Austin. was getting the drug drops when he was in prison for 13 years. When he got out of prison, he started doing the drug drops and giving the drugs to prisoners in the jail. Makes sense.

And he had the family members doing this as well. Yeah. And I want to go back to for a second before we get into another clip. But, you know, there's also been some speculation that he may have been spotted with an AR-15 under this kind of a breaking thing as of the past 30 minutes. We don't know for sure. You know, Austin Drummond, as we were saying, you know, haven't been in prison for himself, not me.

I'm saying him being in prison for 13 years. You know, he's not necessarily a woodsman, but he is likely having help from somebody, I would assume. And they've already arrested three. Yeah, well, really four. Yeah, really four people, but three are definitely connected. The fourth one was arrested over the weekend, but it was on drug charges, but later they put on on his charges conspiracy. Yeah.

Yeah. So there's something obviously involved in all of this. And it'll be very interesting if they catch Austin Drummond and if Austin Drummond is in Tennessee still. Now, the thing is is that for Austin, for those that are wondering, you know, you guys are probably thinking, is he in Tennessee? Is he not? It would be hard for me to believe that he's not necessarily in Tennessee because once he leaves Tennessee, unless he goes into other known vice lord type areas, which are not necessarily, as we already have talked about, friendly with other vice lord gangs. you know, it may not be, you know, he's kind of king in this area, you know, to some degree. He has some stature here.

So for him leaving this area would be detrimental to him in the long run, likely, because, you know, they're going to know every single thing this guy does. He can't use a credit card. He can't use a debit card. He can't use a cell phone. He can't use anything unless he goes and buys and cash money, you know, a throwaway farm. Yeah, but his picture is all over the place. Exactly.

There's a manhunt for him. Yeah. So it's going to be very hard. Yeah, it's going to be extremely hard for him to actually live a life in any way, shape, or form without having help to some degree. That's why I do think that he's likely still in this area, whether it be Jackson or whether it be Memphis. I think he's likely still there because he has to have help.

And he's probably going to have to have people that go and buy him supplies or things until, you know, he figures out a way out of there or to get out from wherever he is. But it just is crazy to me how, you know, this guy been in prison for 13 years. And, you know, we've talked so many times, too. There's a lot of people that go to prison, especially when they're kind of big dogs in prison, they don't give a shit about being out. You know, he's been out what you said a year. But he probably feels like he has more stature and respect in prison than he does outside

of prison. And there could also be that kind of, you know, sense of, you know, he doesn't feel at home outside of prison. There's a lot of people once they get out of prison, especially if they're involved in gangs, they just don't feel normal. They don't feel like they should be out in society. and then sometimes also you have higher and higher threats outside of prison than you do inside a prison.

You know what I mean? So and especially being as high up as he is. But I want to go ahead and get to this clip from court TV. This is the latest details. And this was just about seven hours ago. Latest details on Austin Drummond Manhunt and what we know so far. Listen. On Tuesday afternoon, a homeowner in Dyer County called the sheriff's office to report that

there was an infant left stranded in a car seat in their yard. The seven-month-old girl was taken to a hospital to be checked out and was found to be uninjured. Then a few hours later, four bodies were found about 45 minutes away in Lake County. They were just identified as the baby's father, 21-year-old Matthew Wilson, and mother, 20-year-old Adriana Williams, as well as the baby's maternal grandmother, 38-year-old Courtney Rose, and her maternal uncle, 15-year-old Brayden Williams. Police have not said who found them or how they died. The investigation, including efforts to identify and apprehend as suspect or suspects, remains active and ongoing. Local residents are asked to remain vigilant and report any information to local authorities.

That suspect has been identified. It's Austin Drummond. He was driving a white Audi. And now we've got more information. That vehicle has been found. Take a look at this from the city of Jeff. Jackson, Tennessee. The Jackson Police Department located the vehicle, driven by Austin Drummond, in the woods near the end of MCO Road. It appears that he's been living in the vehicle and may be in the area. JPD asked that all people within the immediate area of this alert to lock your doors, stay indoors as we actively search for Drummond. Remember, he is considered armed and extremely dangerous. This is not an exaggeration.

They suspect him of killing four people already. If you see him, call 911 immediately. Do not approach the suspect. Here's David Roush. He's the director of the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, TBI. Let's listen. He is considered armed and dangerous. This is why we're advising the public not to engage with him to call us.

if you see him, if you have information about his whereabouts to reach out through the 1-800-TBI find line. We have also, in conjunction with the U.S. Marshals, put a $15,000 reward for information leading to his arrest and conviction. So what you're asking is what, when I mentioned, a sign of compassion from the suspect. Yes, so yes, they brought attention. When they dropped the child off, brought attention. There were people nearby, and so brought attention to those people to come and get the child. There was a familial relationship between the suspect and the family. So now we're getting a little more information about this suspect.

So number one, wanted to make sure the baby was okay, showed a level of compassion, at least for the child, perhaps not for the four dead people left behind, but got the attention of people before he took off in that white Audi. The outies been found, he has not. So what exactly is his connection to the victims here, the familial connection? Take a look at this. We found this on Facebook.

A family member of the victims posted this. Courtney Rose, my husband and Caitlin are siblings. Adriana and Braden are our niece and nephew. Austin Drummond was Caitlin's boyfriend at one time. Yes, he was close to our family. Yes, we cared about him and thought he cared about us. He has literally been nothing short of amazing to us and our kids every time he's been around us up until this point.

He's been amazing to our niece, Caitlin's daughter. we never expected him to cause any harm to anyone, much less in our family. Adds another level of why to all of this. If, in fact, he's the one responsible. Let's bring in our think tank tonight joining us. Criminal Defense Attorney Josh Coles Rood is with us. Trial attorney and author Jeffrey B. Simon and attorney Dwight Williams. Great to have everyone here.

Josh, what are your thoughts here about the connection between the man who's on the run the man who's wanted and the victims in this case. Well, I'm glad that they found a connection because that tells us a little bit more of a possible motive. You know, one thing I'd like to note is that because there are four victims here, four murdered victims, that does make Mr. Drummond eligible for the death penalty in Tennessee. You know, one thing I'm interested in is also what type of forensic evidence? do they have? Because if he has some type of familial relationship, he's going to have his DNA all

over the place anyway. So I'm kind of expecting that his DNA was probably found in, you know, some blood or under their fingernails to show some type of, you know, defensive struggle. So there's still a lot to learn here. We don't even know the manner of death yet. You know, the detectives and the police department are doing a great job at keeping these facts, you know, close to the vest. All right, Sherry, we do know the manner of death, right? Yes, we do as of today that the manner of death was shot by a firearm. Yeah. Yeah, so likely there's not going to be defense wounds or whatever.

I mean, there could be, obviously. But when you're shot, you know, the likelihood of defense wounds or any of that stuff is going to be unlikely. But I wanted to play a little more of this. Which they need to do in order before they catch them. Yeah. And Jeffrey, talking about manner of death here, it's got. to be in a way where he can control four people. I mean, there's only one of him, four victims, three of them adults, they're young adults, but adults nonetheless, and another 15-year-old,

without harming the baby. You put that together, and you're wondering how exactly did this all go down, and that's going to be a big part of the investigation. Right. I mean, to simply murder four people takes an enormous amount of superior force. whether it's a gun, you know, whether it's a knife and you catch them by surprise and so forth. And so while we don't know the method, I think we know that it was brutal and it appears that it's personal. And if it's him, of course, he's presumed innocent. But there's going to be a lot of physical evidence, whoever the killer is, but eventually puts that killer at the sink. Yeah.

And you think about it, it's not someone breaking in. in, right? Someone's breaking in. Everyone's going to be at alert. It's going to be more difficult. If it's someone you know, then they may trust him and it might be in a very, you know, friendly situation until it isn't. And I want to stop for a second because when you talk about personal, what does that mean?

Well, I mean, obviously if this guy and family members are saying, hey, we'd never thought that he would ever harm anybody in our family. And yet here he is killing four of them, sparing the baby. you know, what does that mean? Well, to me it almost sounds like that was one of these or multiple of these people potentially caught up in some type of, I guess you can say not undercover up, but maybe an informant for someone. And what I would love to know is does the TBI or FBI or one of these agencies know a lot

more about why this happened than they are ever saying? Right. Because how did they know so fast it was him? Yeah. And could these family members or one of them or whatever had been potentially working with an agency or a law enforcement division that was about to take down him and the vice lord? This to me sounds like some type of undercover gang operation that they utilized people that were close to him. Once maybe he found out about it to save his own ass maybe he went out and did this murder. Farrow was ordered to hit him.

Yeah, absolutely. And it was him to order it because he. was the one close to them and somehow they found out because you know when you think about big gangs like this the vice lords the crips the bloods whoever you know you think about big gangs you know when there are undercover operations within federal agencies you know what you also have to understand is that and not every federal agent is necessarily black and white there have always been occurrences of federal agents or or someone that is connected in a higher level to some of these gangs that may leak information to the gang members, especially about upcoming or ongoing investigations into a particular

person or a gang. And so, but what it does sound like, obviously, Austin Drummond was decently high up, all of the, you know, kind of like you said, all of the, I guess, luxuries he had in prison. And then even now, you know, after the fact, you know, we've had three people or four people, I guess, technically arrested that have been trying to assist him in this. So they, you know, it's just some random gang member is not going to be assisted by a gang like this, especially after a quadruple murder. And you know yourself that if you get caught assisting someone like this, as accessory after the fact. Yeah, you're going to spend 15 years in jail for accessory.

At least. At least. Yeah. So they, this guy at least was very important to this gang to some degree. But I'm sure that he was definitely not the top of the top. There is many levels to gangs. And but it sounds like maybe. someone in this family may have been talking caught yeah cooperating or something doing certain things

to where they could get to the bigger or higher up people in this gang and it was it either the four family members that were found dead or could it have been his former or previous or whatever you want to call girlfriend that he met while he was in prison and i'm talking about katelyn and kaitland was kortney's sister now which one uh so is that the girl that was the prison guard or whatever? Yes. Caitlin was the one that was dating and there's allegations that she is four months pregnant with his child at the moment. Nobody knows where she is.

I don't think she probably wants anyone to know where she is. But I think that if she was with Austin, that would be all over the news. So I don't think she's with him. I think that she is safe at the moment. Yeah. But it was either her or her family members that were talking to law enforcement. and maybe that's why they ordered the hit. Well, and you also have to understand, like when we played,

I think it was the Jeffrey Epstein episode where we had, we played the clip of the CIA guy, the ex-CIA officer that was on PBD podcast. And he was specifically talking about, you know, PBD asking me, he said, do you think that Epstein killed himself? And he said, well, I think, I think you probably did. And in PBS, it said, why?

Why would you ever think that? And he's like, well, he's like, have you ever met prison guards in a lot of these prisons? Like, and by the other, way, if you're a prison guard out there, we're not trashing you. This was what this guy said. Right. But he said prison guards literally, you just have to even just be working on a GED. You don't really, you can probably even have criminal charges for that matter. You're kind of, it's very hard to get people to work in prison systems. Right. Well, you take, you take any and everybody

and a lot of these people, according to the CIA guy, basically has no IQ and to some degree. Right. And I'm not saying that's for every prison guard or everybody that works in a prison system. But that's why we have so many issues in the prison system. But there is speculation that even the prison guards could be affiliated to this gang. Yeah, possibly. And be helping them. Oh, for sure. I mean, I think.

I mean, how could they not if they see all this stuff this guy has and he has firearms in a jail? How do you not see things like this? Oh, you do. Yeah. But also, you know, you have to understand like federal agencies, for example. You know, a lot of this stuff is allowed to happen in prison systems with gangs like this. and there are likely prison guards or people that are put into places, prison guards that the federal agencies work with or try to get intel on or information

from. And they allow some of these shit to happen to kind of try to take them down. Yeah, to kind of evascerate the investigation to go beyond what it is. So if someone is delivering weapons or drugs or whatever to the prison, cell phones or anything, whatever, and then, you know, you allow that stuff to happen so that you can then go for the bigger fish. if say for example any of these family members were a direct kind of in between middleman or maybe there are multiple of them so maybe even for example i mean i'm not saying this the case but like the

15 year old may have been flying the drone because maybe the other ones didn't necessarily know and we know courtney rose the grandmother and which she is young 38 both of her ex-husbands or ex-boyfriends are in the same jail that austin was in yeah well that's what i'm saying i mean you know you know, if these four were middlemen in any way, shape, or form, and, you know, they were obviously going to someone else to get the things that they were supplying to Austin and probably others in the prison, you know, did someone interject between them and say, hey, where are you getting your shit from? You're going to work with us or you're going to prison. We've caught you now introducing, you know, drugs or weapons to a prison. That means you're at least going to prison for

this long. This is felony offenses, probably in some cases, potentially federal offenses, depends on, especially if it's gang related or any of this stuff. So they may have threatened these people to where they almost felt like they had to work with them. And then if Austin or others found out that these people were working with federal agencies, this could have been a undercover operation that went very bad. Right. And especially for these four people. Because when you start screwing with gangs and they find out that you are, you know, you're a snitch, you're a rat and you're working with federal you're this is the type of shit that can happen yeah and people are like 17,000 20,000 I would not give up anybody for 20,000 dollars because it's not worth my life

no but it's not the money it's right but we're talking about if these four yeah I'm just saying people would not rat on only for even 20,000 dollars because they say if if they rat on them they're going to be killed yeah well yeah I mean if it's ever found out even though they try to tell you whatever but gangs have a way of finding out like who ratted why you know if you give out certain information and some gangs are smart enough to know that you only give certain information to certain people and if it ever gets out you know the chain of custody of where the information came from to where you can at least go down that rabbit hole you know whether you think gangs are dumb or not a lot of gangs are not very dumb i mean they they are they have constitutions yeah

their own constitution yeah i know but it's just also the same thing is like you see some people they're very smart in, you know, technology. They're very smart in business. They're very smartness. And then you have criminals that are extremely smart in things like business or stuff like that. They may have never graduated. They may have never got out of middle school.

But they're smart enough. They're in the system and the game long enough. That is their passion. And anything that becomes your passion, you want it bad enough, you eventually get good at it. And a lot of these gang members are very good at understanding, running the gangs, knowing who is, you know, who's loyal, who isn't. knowing who's talking, who isn't.

You have even, like, kind of booby trap ways, not physically, but actually information-wise on how and who is talking if someone is. And they can easily find that shit out pretty fast. Let's listen to this a little more of this clip. I want you to take a listen to this because this is something else people are talking about. This is the district attorney talking more about Austin Drummond. Austin Drummond was convicted in Madison County several years ago for an aggravated robbery. He was sentenced to the Tennessee Department of Corrections, and he was housed at Northwest Correctional, which is in Tiptonville and Lake County.

He completed that sentence. So we call flattening the Senate. So he doesn't actually come out on parole or probation. He's just released because he's done all of his time in prison. While he was in prison, he received other charges. We actually took him to grand jury in Lake County because since it occurred at the prison, then it was in our jurisdiction. he had some drug charges that we indicted him for and then shortly after that he actually was charged and indicted in the lake county for attempted murder attempted first-year-murray murder which took

place inside the prison because he completed his sentence then that was just like any other sentence that a person on the street would have committed so what happened is once he was released from the department of corrections the lake county sheriff's department picked him up just as they would anyone else brought him to the Lake County Jail, and he made Bond. So he has been out on Bond on those charges when we think that this was allegedly committed. All right, Dwight, explain to the folks at home why someone who's just served 13 years in prison and is facing attempted murder charges and drug charges is given Bond. What's going on in our world?

It's so frustrating, Vinnie. I don't understand it. This would be a situation where you would think someone would remain incarcerated, understanding, once again, innocent and so proven guilty with those charges. But given his history, it's just troubling that this man would be out on the street. Once again, if he's the accused, if he's the one who did it, it's just troubling that someone with this criminal past and history would be out there. Now, with that said, it is amazing that.

the baby was not harmed, that that baby was brought to someone's doorstep. It's just, it's an incredible aspect of this case. Not, you know, once again, what he did was awful in terms of the other four murders. But if it was him, but certainly, as to the, the, F, TBI said, it's just an amazing bit of compassion in a very brutal situation that he would do that. Yeah. If the baby's left there, the baby dies because no one finds the bodies. The only reason they found the bodies is because they found the baby.

Obviously, this is a troubling case. We're going to continue to follow every development in it. But troubling because this is a guy with a violent past, does 13 years, while doing the 13 years, an attempted murder. Yet we give him bond. We let him out. And now when he gets arrested, he'll be facing attempted murder and four first-degree homicide charges. All right. Think tank staying with us when we come back.

All right. So that was the attorneys and what they said. By the way, just an hour ago, there is breaking footage of Austin Drummond exiting a barn. The blue barn, you off of 700 Pippin Road in Jackson, Tennessee, around 4.30 a.m. He has a large backpack. And then there's also footage on Pipkin Road that he was, it looks like trying to in or around some type of school. This is video footage of him. Now, we also got to talk about the arrest that were around Austin Drummond so far.

So that is Tanaka Brown, Giovante Thomas, De Aria, Sanders, and Brandon Powell. These are the four people that are associated with Austin Drummond that assisted him, or at least, I guess, accessory after the fact. There is tons of footage coming out right now as of an hour ago. This is actual footage of Austin Drummond spotted wearing a camera flage and a backpack in Jackson, Tennessee. so obviously he came out of a barn. Now last night, Sherry, when I think you had mentioned that there was a manhunk ongoing, they felt like they kind of knew somewhere around where this guy was. And when I was talking about this, when I looked at flight radar and I don't know what the actual radar looks like right now.

I'll look at it in a second. But when I was looking at flight radar, we had the aircraft, the turboprop aircraft that was flying above. The turret prop was flying above Jackson. You had the highway patrol helicopter, which I think was a best. I don't know, 2 of 6 or whatever. That helicopter was flying probably some 25 miles north of Jackson.

And it was doing loops as well. So it kind of felt like maybe they knew or had a tip to potentially where this person, Austin, Drummond, is or was. But it sounds like where that actual turboprop aircraft was flying was likely where Austin Drummond was last night because it shows him leaving a barn around and near Jackson, Tennessee. At 4.30 in the morning.

But it's smart that he left a barn. It's smart that he was in a barn until 4.30 a. But it was in a very affluent neighborhood, which is really crazy because you wouldn't even think this barn would be in this neighborhood. But when you go onto the Google Earth and you look at it, you would never imagine it to even be there. Now, nothing came out of it last night. Today, all the Manhunts have gone crazy.

There are man hunts at churches. There are man hunts at this barn and come to find out. that's when the fourth person was arrested today, which was Ms. Sanders. I think she was 24 years old and she was arrested today as an accessory after the fact as well. And so a lot of people thought when they had this manhunt, they had the swat out there. Everything was going great. Like, oh, yeah, we're going to get them. We're going to get them.

But I think they're going after her. And then when they went to the barn earlier or like later this afternoon, I think this was around 2 o'clock Eastern Standard Time. They were flying drones into this barn. But I don't think anything ever came out of it, but they must have had footage at 430 this morning knowing he was there earlier. Well, the interesting thing, too, and this is what makes me think about this. By the way, in some of this footage is showing him going up to a door. He has a black rifle. It appears potentially a black rifle, likely AR-15.

I think there's been some speculation about that. It's kind of hard to see just looking at it while I'm talking to you guys. but also I want to point out this so as we were talking last night about the flight radar I'm looking at the last flights that were flying last night on the flight radar and you know what time the flight stopped last night 410 a.m. So the last flight so the the the turboprop aircraft stopped at 345-ish the helicopter went down so basically they were done last night about 410 415ish he exits the buses the barn last night at 430.

So what this tells me. Yeah, I'm sure. He's got some type of flight radar. Yeah. I would guess. So if I'm looking at Jackson, Tennessee right now, there's zero flying at all. There's no sign of a helicopter. There's no sign of anything flying, doing any patterns that we know of.

Well, yes, that's what I'm saying. So maybe they were smart enough tonight to be like, hey, maybe we shouldn't have our ADSB on. Don't put our stuff on radar so he knows. Yeah, because Jackson, Tennessee, You know, you got to keep in mind. Now, near Memphis, you know, Memphis is a huge hub as far as aviation goes for FedEx. It is a massive hub at Memphis International Airport, also known as KMEM. And so there is heavy air traffic in and out of Memphis all the time.

Now, Jackson, which is, I don't know, probably some 60 miles northeast of Memphis, Tennessee, you could easily fly as a law enforcement helicopter, especially federal, without ADSB on. You know, for example, like if you're flying as a military, military is not required necessarily to turn on their ADSB, which shows where they are to where you can as a civilian look on your flight radar and see that helicopter flying over you. They're not required to do that. They could fly all day without ADSB as long as they are in direct contact and communication with air traffic control and so on. But they often do turn on their ADSB, especially in congested areas. So if you're flying through, say, for example, Greenville or if you're flying through Charlotte or that area, you turn that on to have.

help air traffic control to not make their lives hell because, you know, they want to be able to keep track of you. They're already busy as hell with the shit they can see. And they're still going to be able to see with or without ADSB on radar. But it's a safety factor. And we actually saw that in Washington, D.C., where that passenger plane, I think it was the CRJ, collided with the Black Hawk. That was when Nathan was in Washington, D.C. last year.

And this was due to the fact, poor communication on the Black Hawk's end, there was the military helicopter, it sounded like they had had similar. are close calls in that area anyway. And oftentimes in that area, these are these, these units of the army and these certain aviation units that they will either fly VIPs or certain people like that. So oftentimes they do not have their ADSB on. Oftentimes commercial aircraft cannot see them unless it's through some kind of T-CAS system, which is traffic avoidance system.

And you don't usually get that unless it's in certain scenarios. So I'm saying all of that to say this. It sounds, it looks like I'm sure that there's still. still flying actively right now, but you're not seeing them on flight radar. They've likely turned off their ADSB. And it's more than likely also because they realize, hey, when we quit flying last night, he exited to barn. Right.

All right. So to get back also to the people that have been arrested in connection or the accessory after the fact, do we think that they will talk? No. Because, I mean, unless they want the same thing to happen to them, they're not going to talk. And because if they do talk, they're already an accessory after the fact. They're already going to prison. likely. And I'm sure, I'm not saying for sure, but I'm sure that most of these people have

extensive criminal histories, rap sheets, you name it. The fact that they're already connected in any way to this with the accessory charge and conspiracy or whatever, yeah, they might be able to be doubtful. But if they talk and they give information, they're done. They're 100% done. And so they might as well just go to prison. Because if they want to live, then they go to prison if they and don't say a damn word if they want to die then they can just roll over and say whatever the hell they want to but their ass better be in Mexico or Canada or somewhere um for the rest of their life because eventually they will get caught up to they will be found and look these people that are in these situations their entire livelihood is this gang they have nothing

without the gang so what are they going to do what are they going to do if they go somewhere else they're not going to do anything i mean most people to understand that these people you know how they make money is drugs and guns and crime. I mean, crime. That's how they make money. They don't go and work at Walmart. You know,

I mean, maybe some of them do, but a lot of them are involved in drug trafficking and gun trafficking and prostitution and you name it. So, and they have a livelihood there, you know, however bad it is. But as soon as they leave that area,

you know, they're done. So they have to be there. So no, they're not going to talk. And if, I mean, unless they're just completely more.

I remember when Takashi 6-9, you know, the rapper, the guy that was like, I think he's Puerto Rican or some shit, but, you know, he had a 6-9 tattoo on his head. He had to rainbow hair and all this shit. Well, you know, being in the rap gang, the rap game, when he came to America, got huge. He wasn't the guy that told on everybody. He told on everybody. I mean, he was about to go to prison for like 40 plus years and all this shit. He rolled over on everybody.

Then, you know, Steve will do it. The YouTuber came out. And he started like hanging out with Takashi. and Takashi was a piece of shit. Steve will do it, found out pretty fast. He stole money from him. He did all this dumb shit. And I was actually very surprised that Steve will do it would even hang out with this guy,

knowing how many people wanted to kill him anyways. But the longer that Takashi kind of hung out and kind of was around, you know, everyday life, the more I think he started realizing how much his life was at risk. They already called him one time and beat the shit at him. They, and this was just maybe some randoms. But he, I think, is like living in Mexico now. Like, he just completely went away. He's singing Mexican music now.

He doesn't even rapping. He's literally singing Spanish music. So, like, he, if you want to know, like, you better have multi-millions of dollars to be able to go create a new life for yourself because that's eventually what will happen. Right. So they're not going to tell on them. I think the only thing good that's coming out of these arrests is they're taking people off the plate that are actually helping him.

And hopefully sooner than later, He's going to run out of associates that will be willing to help him. Yeah. Well, and the weird thing is, you know, you know, according to these videos, I mean, he's by himself here. He's got, you know, he's got these guns or I guess this gun, I guess I should say. He's got a backpack, probably some ammo, maybe some clothes, some food items. That backpack probably, I would assume someone gave him some, you know, some supplies.

But, you know, eventually he is going to get caught or he's going to kill himself. I don't feel like this guy is the type of guy that's going to kill him. himself. I don't either. I don't think this was like a murder suicide thing. This was a thing that he felt like he likely had to do because of whatever the hell the kind of situation was in this gang. And so it'll be interesting to see what happens with Austin Drummond. How long do we predict that it'll be until they catch him? I will predict within the next 24 hours that they were catching. He's been on the run for six days, Chad. Yeah, but last night, 4.30 a.m. leaves a barn. he's not very far.

I mean. Yeah, he's probably on foot. Yeah, he's, oh, he is on foot. I mean, and unless somebody else is helping him. But even still, he was in Jackson last night,

this morning at 4.30 a. Yeah. And this is where he's from. So like you said, he's not going to probably leave the area. No. So it's only a matter of time. With all the federal assets and state and local and everybody

with drones and planes and helicopters, he is not going to be around for very long. And likely what's going to catch him is he's going to make the mistake. of trusting someone that he shouldn't. Maybe if some of his associates don't answer or maybe they don't want to get involved, they don't want to be in on this shit. And maybe he feels like he has to reach out to like the next line of someone that he's got to get help from. That's when it'll be that he's screwed.

So it'll be interesting to see. We don't really have pay phones anymore. So he can't necessarily use a pay phone. He's going to have to use some type of communication. Well, he probably has a burner phone. Do you not think? And can they track a burner phone. Yes.

I mean, you can track cell phone signals. I mean, it is, but the only way you're going to do that is if you're monitoring the other end of that phone. So if they're monitoring his known associates, right, the people that he's connected to. And I'm sure the TBI and the FBI, they have, they have this board up right now, the war board. And they're going to look at all of his known associates. They're going to then go and track every single one of those people, whether you realize it or not, whether they have warrants for this shit or not, they'll do this. They'll track every single one of his associates. They're going to monitor those phones, any income and outgoing calls.

they're going to see if it's him or not. If it is, if it's a burner phone, they can track that. But you have to geo-offensive phone based on a communication line and you can't just randomly pull. Yeah, we just can't randomly pull shit from out of nowhere unless, unless he made some type of phone call or communication last night at the time he was at the barn that they now know he was at this barn. They can then track that particular phone, even if it's a burner phone, they can then track that wherever it goes. But it's so interesting that they saw him at 4.50 this morning. in this barn and they were there again with the drones going in yeah but what time was that today yeah like 2 p.m yeah so they're way late to that um so obviously it sounds like they would have likely

that's probably when they saw the surveillance footage and i'm so i'm assuming you know because just like our surveillance cameras we know when anybody's near our door near our perimeter any of that stuff it'll it'll notify us it'll tell us uh we can actually look at the video i'm assuming this barn or wherever this video came from. Someone got notified. They sent it to someone and say, hey, look at this person. And that's why they went to the barn at two o'clock. But obviously he'd done moved on by. Right. But it does sound like. But he's got to be close in that area. Yeah, he's definitely close. It's only a matter of time. And so the question will be is, will he plead guilty. I'm sure he probably will if he gets caught. Will it go to court? No. Well, so I'm saying.

I don't think so. I mean, I think he'll plead guilty, likely. Because a gang member like that, he definitely does not want to go to court and have to sit through shit to where they're going to bring in other people and witness. That's not going to happen. He will plead guilty if he gets caught. Probably the plea deal will be, you know, no death penalty. Life in prison. Life in prison. And that'll be,

that'll be it. And then he'll live the rest of his life in prison. And playing games. Playing games. Probably getting drugs. I mean, he literally had Facebook posts while he was in prison. Yeah.

Like, who does that? Well, a lot of people actually nowadays. I mean, you know, we see people in South Carolina prisons that are on Facebook and social media and they're changing their picture, free me. Like instead of, do you remember when like people used to like post pictures of their family members that went to prison or something? And they'd be like free Thomas or whoever. Right. Nowadays, the prisoners just post their own picture and say free me, you know, it's like, how the hell are you posted in Facebook? And they'll do videos and playing cards at night, playing video game.

I mean, this is this shit that people. will do in prison nowadays. So it's just, it's crazy to me. It is. And, you know, even the crazier thing is like federal prison is like club med. You know,

they always say like you go to federal prison. That's like the shit. Like you got nicer facilities, better food. It's like, it's cool as hell. Yeah, he had pizza.

He had vodka when he was celebrating, getting out. I mean, he had basically anything and everything he wanted in prison. Yeah. I mean, it's literally almost nowadays rewarding people to do to do crime.

And so you look at these people like Austin Drummond and like so many others to where they get involved in this gang. They get in trouble. They do all this crazy shit. You know, there's literally no incentive to stay in out of prison because out of prison, you're likely going to be not making it as well as you do in prison. You're not going to have the same comforts.

You're not going to have the same power structure. You're not going to have all that shit. And especially if you get a girlfriend that is inside the prison, that works there. Yeah. And I don't even think. I mean, I'm sure probably so many of them have that.

I mean, that's what's crazy. And you also have to remember, too, it's like, for example, I won't say to town or anything, but like my mom just kind of moved to in the middle of nowhere.

And in this middle of nowhere town, you know, there's a prison. Guess what? Every middle of nowhere town, you'll find prisons. And so I was in a grocery store and there was these prison, you know,

guards. There were women. There were like three or four of them that were in there. And they were like the only people in there. Because there's not very many people in this town. except for prison guards. And so, you know, you think about it as like for these women, who the hell are they going to date in this town? Because there's no one here.

So, I mean, it's basically got to be the prisoners, I guess. I mean, and I think that's the problem is a lot of these prisons. In these small towns. They're in a middle of nowhere and there's nobody hardly else there, except for my mom for whatever reason. Well, hopefully your mom does not ever want to date an inmate. Yeah, well, hopefully not. No, I don't think so. But guys, that's going to do it for this episode on Austin Drive.

government will obviously update you as things come out. If anything crazy happens, we'll make sure to let you know. We get a lot of good episodes coming out. Like I said, I want to talk about the nuclear threat between Trump now and Putin. That's interesting because, you know, we talked about that when Biden was in office. Now you have Trump in office. We thought that that was going to be put to rest once Trump got in. But there are some real threats.

There are pieces of puzzles being put into place, which can be dangerous. But we're also going to talk about the Amniville horror story because that's a very interesting story. We were actually going to do a very coordinated kind of produced piece on this, but I think it's going to be better to talk about it. Go through the story of this. And we're excited about that. We're going to try to get out another episode tomorrow, but we do have the sheriff election night tomorrow. Hopefully Nick gets it. But we'll see. It's not going to be decided tomorrow, but it's the runoff and there will be a top two candidate tomorrow. So. But I do want to send out prayers to all the families. I mean, could you imagine like three,

family members were related, you know, and then the boyfriend. And that's so hard. And now this baby is left with no parents. Yeah. And by the way, we, you know, I do want to preface and say that we don't know, like, you know, exactly what happened. We don't know if they were involved. We don't know if they were coordinating with it.

We have no idea. They could 100% absolutely be innocent completely. But either way, nobody deserves to die like that. I mean, and it doesn't matter what they may or may not have been involved in. We just don't know. It's speculation on our part. you know, for someone to do something like that. And listen, it could just be the Austin Drummond is psycho, which obviously it sounds like he is.

But like what would make him or drive him to that? And it could have been something so dumb. You know, there are people that kill lots of people for stupid-ass reasons all the time. So we don't know what this situation with the victims were or was. And so keep those families. Yeah, keep those families in your prayers. guys will be back very very soon make sure to go follow see free live over on youtube we're going to have some lives have some videos going to be great and uh we also have a merchandise

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