Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Rendlesham Forest UFO Incident | UFO UAP Conspiracy Podcasts

Episode Date: April 22, 2023

The Rendlesham Forest UFO incident, also known as "Britain's Roswell," occurred in December 1980 in the forest near Rendlesham, a small town in Suffolk, England. It involved multiple sightings of strange lights and objects by United States Air Force personnel stationed at nearby RAF Bentwaters and RAF Woodbridge, which were being used by the US military at the time.On December 26, 1980, USAF security personnel reported seeing strange lights in the forest and investigated. They claimed to have seen a metallic, triangular-shaped craft with strange markings on its surface. The craft was said to be hovering above the ground and emitting a low-level radiation. When the airmen approached the craft, it reportedly lifted off the ground and quickly disappeared.The next night, more personnel observed strange lights in the forest, and some even claimed to have seen the craft again. The incident was investigated by the UK Ministry of Defence and the USAF, and many theories have been proposed to explain what happened. All of that and more on this episode of Rendlesham Forest UFO Incident | UFO UAP Conspiracy Podcasts

And welcome to Investigate Earth Podcast. I am your host Chad alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. Say hello, Sherry. Hey, guys. Hey, gals. We are so grateful you're here this afternoon. Welcome to the podcast. Welcome to the podcast, guys.

It is April the 22nd, 2023, 5.34 p.m. here on the east coast of the United States. We welcome all of you from around the world. The name of that song, by the way, is Cry When It's Over by Lupus Nocte and Zorro. It is an 80 theme song. and the reason why we played some 80s is because what we're going to be talking about tonight, the Randall Shamm Forrest UFO incident took place in the 80s. This was actually a very iconic UFO encounter incident with the United States military over in the United Kingdom.

Many compare this as the UK's Roswell. It has so many very intriguing parts of this story. And there's so much that we can relate to what we've been seeing and been hearing about, especially when the UFO topic comes up. So guys, we're very excited to talk about this. actually, and we got to say, we actually started trying to do this episode Thursday. It's Saturday today. Thursday, for whatever reason, audio messed up, whatever. We said we moved on Friday. Audio corrupted. Today, it just keeps going. But hopefully we can get through this one because it is a great story. It's something that we've been wanting to talk about. It's very intriguing. There's so many crazy things about this. And I think there's a lot we can learn from this story in relation to what has been going on today. Absolutely. And I just think that all these things are happening for a reason, Thursday and Friday, it didn't work. I'm talking about we spent four, five, six hours, maybe seven hours now. But this time, it's a prayer that's going to help us through because I am praying that it's going to work and it's going to be better than last night. Because last night's episode was amazing, but this is going to be even better. I know it. We hope so, guys.

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by the way have signed up and came over there. It's so awesome to see that. And we think each and every single one would be for that. And that's why I said we are so grateful for y'all. Yeah. So let's get into a little bit of the Randall Shem Forrest UFO incident. But before we get in that, so we talked about UK and Roswell, right?

The UK, this is like the UK's version of Roswell. And although this has been a tough episode for whatever reason to get this recorded audio wise. It is very important episode. It really is. As far as the UFO thing, there's so much stuff that is detailed in the Reynoldsham Forest incident that we can take from that incident in 1980 and kind of correlate and compare what we have been seeing for the past, you know, especially five to ten years, but, you know, 20 years. Roswell, for those of me that do not know,

Roswell was an incident that happened to where there was a down spacecraft. The government came out and said that it was a weather balloon that crashed, all the whistleblowers and witnesses from the scene at the time of the Roswell crash said that there's no way this is a weather balloon. They had military personnel coming in big trucks that were gathering up large pieces of metal or what appeared to be metal. And they were taking them off to God knows where, which I believe probably it could have been some secret of military base. It could have been potentially why some people say potentially why Area 51 or that area was created to begin with. And of course, the government came out, lied to the people, although there were so many people that were there

and witnessed it, including military personnel that were whistleblowers. They said there's no way this was a, this was a weather balloon. This was something out otherworldly. This was a craft, a spacecraft. And so where it really goes from there is there just been so much happened around the Roswell incident in Area 51 even since then. And when you talk about this space balloon, or not space balloon, weather balloon, that what you're talking about, I have a mental image. I keep thinking about that black and white picture, sorry, of this big, it looks like almost like a...

It looks like a party balloon. Yeah, like a thermal, like very thin sheet almost. Yeah. That's just wrapped up in front of this guy and this guy is like kneeling above it. And they're saying this is what it really was. And you're referring to the famous picture that he has this like, at a lot of, you know, It looks like a crumbled up piece of balloon or something in front of him. It's like, you know, those thermal, like, protector blankets that you have, those real thin sheets that you keep in your car and stuff.

That's what it really reminds me of. And they're trying to say that picture is what they found in Roswell. Well, we know by a lot of accounts that we're going to get into, that that is not the case. No, it's absolutely not. Actually, in relation to that, you know, the United States just had a meeting, a congressional committee hearing. This was just last week a few days ago where they brought in military personnel and other people around the UFO thing with the military that a lot of people were really in high hopes that the U.S. government would finally unveil something. Although the government has released declassified documents in the past from either the Pentagon or Department of Defense that really have a big tell that these things that we have experienced and seen, especially on video and in the media and everything you've been seen in the past few years, is in fact something very peculiar, is something that we don't understand, at least according to the military, and experts alike. I mean, experts are saying also, like, you know, not just experts, but military pilots that there's no way, in our opinion, that we have this technology.

on earth. And so when we talk about the Roswell thing, we got to go a little bit back to Bob Lazzar to begin with. I mean, Bob Lazzar was someone that worked to Area 51 and Area S4, which is a smaller little area outside of Area 51. And Bob worked there in the 80s and 90s, and he came out with his story not long after that. He met up with a journalist named George Knapp. He gained a trust with George Knapp. And the reason that he came out with this story was because he had showed some of his friends a time that, you know, he, I guess this was during the time he was working on crafts or whatever he was experienced in an area 51. He went out to the desert to show his friends one night when they were testing these things, apparently. And that's when he kind of got caught,

and that's when he knew that he probably had to come public with this information. And so Bob was our story as big. feel like he was afraid for his life. Yeah. Because this is a really serious matter. When he was working for Area 51, they really decompartanized, like, each department, I guess, where they all had their specific jobs, but they were not allowed to intermeagle with each other. Yeah, which Bob said was a huge thing, because if we could have actually talked with other astrophysicist or propulsionists, we might have actually been able to, you know, come up with something.

But he just didn't seem like what the way they were doing. doing this was the best way to do this because you're by yourself. They're getting your information. And I guess they're obviously going to all these other people and trying to figure out what they're saying as well. But the thing about Bob Lazar in this particular case was, and this was one of the most ridiculed things that he ever said about the Area 51 experience, was not only did he say that he saw this craft that was a small craft, it appeared to have no signs or no obvious signs of propulsion. He believed that from everything he's seen and probably some of the stuff he had seen in testing because he did see this thing potentially being tested while

he was there. He felt like this thing was creating this on gravity field. It was some type of gravity generator that creates this own little gravity bubble around the craft. It interacts with our gravity, which in turn makes it be able to go from, you know, zero to a light year speed or light speed. But there was something he said there that he said that at one point in time he was in this large hangar and he walked by this particular door in this hangar where there was a room and he saw this alien-like being on a table, this body.

He's seen it with his own eyes. And so once he kind of came out with that part of the story, he had been so ridiculed based on his account of that. At times, when asked later on, he was like, well, I'm pretty sure that's what I saw, but I mean, I can't be for sure because, I mean, when you're being heavily ridiculed like this,

at least he didn't completely back off of it or say something else. He said, I'm pretty sure that's what I saw. I can't be for sure. I mean, this was a one-time encounter that he's seen this thing. And during traumatic experiences, I mean, you know, if you see an alien for the first time ever, when you never thought these things existed, it's got to make you think some craziness. Oh, yeah.

And then when people are talking to you are interrogating you and say, did you see this? And what exactly was this? Blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, they will put you on the spot. And then it almost makes you question yourself. Did I really see this? Was this true? And I think in the fact of Bob Lazar,

I think he really did see these things, and I think he was there for a reason. And to make that point clear, I know he was there for a reason. I know they put him there for a reason, because if not, why did they take all of his college credentials away from him

when he kind of came out with the story? Yeah, I mean, he was a jet propulsionist. He was basically a rocket scientist. You've always heard the analogy, like, what are you a rocket scientist? well Bob Lazar was an actual rocket scientist and much like people that work on SpaceX and those rockets that are, you know, traveling to space. I mean, these are rocket scientists. They're their main thing. Their scientific research and everything they live for is propulsion, right? The how to propulse something with various different liquids or propellants. This was Bob Lazar's thing. And a lot of what their scientific research goes into is not just gas or fuel powered or even, you know, like nitrogen or stuff like this. that they are also constantly research in ways to advance propulsion past liquid or natural gas or whatever the case may be. And so, you know, obviously when you're looking at some type of generator that could potentially be powering a gravity field around it is pretty nuts.

So the Bobbazar thing really, it kind of goes back to a lot of what we're going to talk about. But we're also going to talk about later on the story about some of these people's encounters around the Randallsham Forest incident in particular. has some similarities with other people's encounters in our history and things that you've heard of in the past. So let's get into this story. So the Randall Sham Forest incident is basically an encounter that involves multiple days of seeing lights in the sky, along with potential UFO landing. And so at a nearby Air Force base by Randall Sham Forest in Suffolk, the United Kingdom, multiple servicemen, including Lieutenant Colonel Charles Halt,

investigated a strange light descending into the forest at 3 a.m. Nearby animals went to an absolute frenzy and halt recorded everything he experienced along the way. You know, it leads you to the question of what would you do if you were in the forest as a normal person and you saw this light descending into the forest, this deep forest, and something that may appear to be a UFO. You know, I mean, I don't think these people really realize that,

but would you run or would you go towards it, right? And we've talked about this before, just in our one-on-one conversations. And I would have to be one of those people that ran towards this thing. I want to know what it is. I want disclosure. If the government's going to continue to lie to us, which they do, then, you know, we want disclosure.

And I would probably risk a lot just to be able to try to at least see, communicate, or witness what there's so much stigma has always been around. And I've been really, really thinking about this. If I really, really encountered, because there's a long times, Chad and I are out there stargazing. and we see things. And when we do see things, I'm like, what if this really came down? How would I interact with them?

Or would I? Would I be so scared I couldn't say anything when I freeze? What would I do? I would totally want to communicate with these things. But I'd also be really, really afraid because I know from various accounts that we've read about and researched about that there is high radiation because of what, like Chad was talking about with Bob Lazare, the way the gravity field is, it causes a lot of heat and radiation, which can cause humans and cause, like, a lot of damage to you.

So thinking about that and knowing that I would have to, this would be a once in a lifetime chance to communicate with these things, I would have to have some kind of special sign language or maybe an Indian peace pipe or something. Well, you could flash them. I mean, you are a female, right? You could flash them. Now, I'm just talking about, like, I mean, there's got to be some kind of univocal. Your universal like hand...

Thumbs up? Yeah, thumbs up. But their thumbs up might mean FU in their language. Who knows? And then they're going to kill you. But I wish there was some way I could communicate. But I think maybe, really, and we'll talk about it later, who knows, maybe you just communicate by looking at each other. Yeah.

You know, don't even need a sign language thing. Yeah, so the thing that's interesting, and what Sherry's talking about, and we're about to get into the depth of the story. But how the radiation kind of happens is what it seems like is that if these crafts do create their own gravity fields, which allow them to interact with our gravity, and that in turn makes them be able to go on a dime and stop on a dime and basically disappear with the speed of light. This radiation field is a heat creator. It is similar to like a nuclear reaction in some ways, right? And so there have been accounts, and we'll talk a little bit about this now, but there have been accounts of soldiers, the United States servicemen that have been dramatically either brain

injured or dead from encounters with UFOs. One of the people that actually came out with this was Tucker Carlson on the Nut Boys podcast when he got contacted by a Stanford University brain surgeon. He's one of the top brain surgeons in the world. He also owns various patents as as far as brain technology and neuroscience. And so he was actually contacted by families of servicemen that were killed because of their encounters with UFOs, either during wartime or over the Middle East or certain areas. And this is over 100 soldiers that died based on their close encounters with anonymous vehicles or UFOs.

And not only did 100 plus soldiers die from their encounters with UFOs, but there were also hundreds of more that were traumatically brain injured that affected their life forever. And it comes to find out the Stanford doctor did. acknowledge in his findings. I think he did some, you know, like autopsy type work on the brains and various other studies on some of these soldiers and determined this was high radiation traumatic brain injuries. And so it makes complete sense that we know and have known based on various accounts, including

Bob Lazard, that there is a high radiation level around these crafts. And then you hear about these soldiers that did die from their actual encounters with UFOs, based on radiation levels is nuts. And so it's kind of well known that radiation and aliens and UFOs kind of go together. Absolutely, yes. So let's get into this.

What is the Randall Shand Forest incident? Well, this was basically several sightings of unexplained lights near Randallsham Forest in Suffolk, England, on late December 1980, which became linked with claims of UFO landings, and the events occurred just outside the Royal Air Base, Woodbridge, which was the United States Air Base, was using at the time.

The incident is considered Great Britain's Roswell. Now, Rentersham Forest is owned by the Forestry Commission and has plantations and wetland areas. It is about 5.8 square miles big and is located in Suffolk. So where all of this takes place is near two former military bases, there is an REF bent waters, which is just north of the forest, and an REF Woodbridge, which extends into the forest from the west. Now, these military bases were being used by the United States Air Force, and it is the

U.S. Air Force personnel that actually had these experiences. So the U.S. Air Force Base Commander at the time was Colonel Ted Conrad, and his deputy was Lieutenant Colonel Charles Haught. Now, Colonel Haught comes into play in a huge way later in this story. Now, on day one, which was December 26th, it was technically the 27th. So we're in the 80s, actually 1980 to be exact, it is December 26th, and the servicemen are all hanging out around the base doing whatever it was that they may be doing. and around 3 a.m. a security patrol near East Gate of the REF Woodbridge claimed to see strange

lights descend into the Randall Shand Forest. Now, anyone would be pretty alarmed, obviously, but beyond the average person like you or me, these are Air Force personnel. So, for one, they probably are extra alert, and two, this is something coming from the sky, which is kind of their thing. So, you know, we know that military bases are highly, highly secured. I mean, to get on military bases, you really got to go jump through some hoops and get specific IDs or, you know, there's various things. And even on the outskirts of the military bases, they have motion sensors. They have all of these things, not to mention radar and everything that is above their bases to protect them. You know, these are sensitive areas. And so obviously, if you're seeing a light

descending to the force on a military base, no matter who you are, but especially as a military personnel, this is something very alarming. This is something that, um, you're not. Um, you're is out of the ordinary and something that you don't typically see on an everyday basis. So this encounter is 100% very, you know, one of a kind. You know, this was not something they typically saw every night or any of that. So naturally, they were very intrigued. And they were pretty adamant that this wasn't a shooting star or anything like that. It seemed like it was something that intentionally descended into the forest.

So registering that it could have potentially been a downed aircraft, a group of servicemen decided to go investigate. So as they headed into the Randall Shum Forest, they noted that all of the animals at a nearby farm were an absolute hysterics. Yelling and running and screaming in ways that they never witnessed before, they were in a frenzy. It was unsettling to say the least. And so when they got into the forest, it wasn't the expected aircraft that they saw. Now, what I will say about, you know, animals, for example, animals do have a keen sense of awareness. They have something that people do not have. And there's a reason for this, and we can get into it a little bit later, but animals definitely have something that people do not.

And what I believe that something is, in reality, is DMT release. Now, if you've heard of Joe Rogan and the whole thing about DMT and people that take DMT, see in May Jelves or UFOs or whatever in their experience, I think that this is part of what animals and why they sense things that we do not, because we do not have the same DMT release. but what I can tell you is I had a horse at one point in time. The horse we broke over a couple weeks. This horse, you know, they're almost like people as far as their relationship

with you. You get a bond with them. Although this horse was not even close to train. I finally took this horse up on a trail in the mountains because that's where we lived. And about a mile before this incident happened, this horse fortress

was her name, started to act very strange, huffing and puffing and and seaman just out of character for the horse. And as we approached what I didn't know what it was, but it was a very large copperhead across the trail. And this horse started freaking out, started jumping up in the air, trying to actually stampede this snake,

which I believe she was successful. And as soon as she did this, she took off flying. But the main point of that story is she sensed it, right? And it wasn't just that she sensed the snake in this particular incident. There were times I would see you're out in the cross. carow looking out towards the woods or whatever, and she was freaking out over whatever it was. And I mean, we even, I remember used to make jokes like, damn, she must be sensing bigfoot or

something or whatever. But there was bears there in all this stuff. So animals absolutely have a very keen sense of awareness and sense of something that we don't have. And like I said, I think you can relate that to DMT, which we'll talk more about later. Well, even chihuahuas, for example, and I'm going to bring this up because I have to, you think about chihuahua and the size of their brain, just like a pea size brain. And, you know, you think about we only use 10% of our brains pretty much.

And I think that goes with dogs as well. But even chihuahuas with a pea-sized brain have that sense, too, that we don't have. And why I'm saying that is because our chihuahuas, we have two chihuahuas or we used to have two chihuahuas. But they can sense storms coming probably an hour before we even know is coming. You know, we might know from the news or something they're telling us. But if we didn't hear the news, we probably wouldn't know. But these chihuahuas start acting up just like your horse did. Yeah.

They kind of go crazy, get anxious, get scared. Whining. Yes, but they get that. And, you know, it's just really, I would really like to research more why animals have more DMT than we do. Yeah. And I wonder, do they use more of our brains? I don't know. But that's a curious question.

Yeah, so you're 100% right. Yeah, we've seen it with so many animals. And so when these servicemen got into the forest, it wasn't. what they expected. It was not an aircraft that they thought they saw. They immediately acknowledged that they stumbled upon a landing area. Now, they could see branch debris marks around a strange heat radiating throughout the entire area, and at this point, the animal's hysterics of the nearby farm ramped up. Then they saw a small glowing metallic object with red-colored lights. They were awestruck. It was moving side to side, and it seemed to have a dark yellow center in the middle.

They said it was like an eye winking at them, the way it blinked. And at first, it started to to move in north, then the flying object started to get closer and closer to them. And it would seem as though it had a beam coming down to the ground. They couldn't believe what they were actually seeing. And shortly, it was out of sight, leaving the men dumbfounded about what they might have actually just witnessed. Around 4 a.m., when they got back out of the forest and to the base, they called the local police. However, when the police arrived, there was no signs of an aircraft or a glowing light.

All they could see was the orphaness lighthouse, which was about five miles. away from where they were at in the forest. Confused and a bit disturbed, the servicemen decided to sleep on their experience and investigate more when they had the sun to assist them. Now the next morning, they went back into the forest to see if they were any clues as to what they actually experienced the night before, and what they found was pretty startling. In a clearing inside the forest, they found three small yet significant impressions on the ground.

They seemed to be in a triangular pattern. Along with that, many of the tree branches were either broken or seemed to have been burned, by something incredibly hot. They called the police again, now with more evidence in some daylight. The police apparently kind of shrugged it off and claimed that it could have been made by an animal in regard to the impressions.

Now, this is a similar thing, right? With something that we, you know, the burned debris and stuff in the forest, what does that remind you of, Sherry? I think you're talking about Travis Walker. Walton. Walton. Yeah, Travis Walton.

Oh, shoot. Travis Walton. Yeah, so Travis Walton is the guy, from Fire in the Sky, the movie. He has one of the most, I guess you can say, incredible UFO alien abduction stories and the history of alien abductions outside of Betty and Barney Hill.

But what's interesting about Travis Walton's story in particular is the fact that, you know, this was five or so guys that were up in the forest. They were cutting trees. They worked for a lumber company at the time. They were literally cutting trees by hand with a chainsaw.

Like the olden days used to do instead of using math. massive machinery or whatever it was. And they worked well into the evening. It became nighttime. And so as they were leaving on this dirt road in the middle of nowhere, they saw this very bright light descending into the forest, much of like what Randlesham Forest and the servicemen there experienced.

And so Travis was one of those people. As we had talked about earlier, are you going to be one if he sees something like this to go run towards it or run away from it? Well, Travis was all struck. And he was me. Like he was exactly what I would do. probably Sherry as well. You see this thing. You really think, oh, my God, what the hell is this? And, but yeah, you're like, this is so crazy. If this is a UFO, I have to go check it out.

Like, and that's what he did. He was almost in like a trance to where he's like, I got to go towards it. And I would probably be that way, right? Yeah. Meanwhile, his friends are in the truck like, what in the heck are you doing? Get back to the truck. Yeah, they were yelling them, yelling. Yeah, and he did not even have them in their sight. He was gone towards that light. And as he gets up there, he's looking up at this thing, this light beaming down at him. And then it wasn't long after. He's abducted. He's gone.

And all these people witnessed it. So they fly out of there. And then at some point in time, this truck stops. And the main driver, which was Travis is one of his best friends. So look, guys, you don't have to go back with me. I can let you out here and I'll come back and get you. But I got to go check and see if he's still there. He went and checked.

He's not there. Nothing. It was like he disappeared. And so then five days later. later, he shows up. He said he was abducted. But during this five days, the police were investigating two of the people because two of the people hated Travis Walton. They got into fights or not, you know, big arguments and threats and this and that. And so the police were looking at these people as potentially they killed Travis during this four or five days that Travis was gone.

And these five people actually took a lie detector test and all of them actually passed. They passed a lie detector test of what they saw, which was Travis basically being abducted by a freaking spacecraft. But the very strange thing, and I want to mention this, should we mention this now, is Travis, unlike many others, like the soldiers we just talked about, the 100 plus soldiers that encountered a UFO and died from their traumatic radiation experience, you know, why did Travis not die from the experience? Or why did Betty and Barney Hill, the other people that get abducted and not die from

radiation, right? I mean, isn't that kind of crazy? Crazy. And I wonder the same thing because all these stories you hear about radiation, even like close encounters or these movies you see or people, just their reenactments of being too close to these spaceships. You know, and the things that we really know that I truly believe that are true about them, they do cause this radiation will cause burns and death like you were talking about in the military people. this truly really happens. There's true accounts of this. But in some circumstances, people are not being harmed

when they're being abducted. And I think that's the big difference. And the more and more I think about these stories and we talk about these stories, and I know it sounds crazy, but when they hear or see, when you hear about the beam coming down, it's like intentional.

That's what they're going after. They want to abduct. Meanwhile, when they're on, like military bases, it might be... Or war zones. Yeah, it might be that they're trying to defend or something that not really they're to abduct and study. They're more like, who are these people?

They're scary. Yeah. Right? Yeah, you're right. I mean, I think that, you know, especially based on the soldiers accounts and, you know, 100 plus soldiers have died, if not more. And then you have other people like Betty and Barney Hill, which, you know, relive their experience through, you know, through, what is it called?

through hypnosis and so many others relive their experience and we're about to talk about that in a minute. But, you know, these people, I believe, were not a threat to these craft. I think they knew that, right? And they wanted to research or they wanted to interact or whatever with these people. But if you have these UFOs or these aliens

or whatever you want to call them in a situation to where it's the U.S. military, although, yes, the military, you know, protects our freedom and they fight for our country and all this stuff. But, you know, UFOs may not see it that. way. And, you know, these guys that may appear with weapons and a very strong force behind them, you know, the U.S. military, I promise you, we'll see this as a threat. The UFOs will automatically

know that. And so I think maybe they keep them away from their craft by the high use of their radiation or whatever the case may be. But it just seems like maybe they are able to either tone that radiation down to allow someone to get into their realm or maybe they're just different crafts that we're experiencing. We don't know. Maybe part of it is a defense system around their craft. Not only is it helping them maneuver and go from right to left, right, you know, straight everywhere they want to go, but it also might be a defense mechanism to avoid adversaries. And when they're not in that realm, they kind of turned that off. Because even when Travis was abducted, he said when he got up there, he could not breathe. And the alien kind of looked at him in the eyes and

told him through his eyes, you know, I'm going to help you pretty much. Yeah, he said he couldn't breathe. It was like he was in a different atmosphere. And I think the aliens in this particular situation, the beings, they realize that. And Travis said that whatever they put over his face was almost like a biological mask. Imagine a mask with air flowing into it being something that is living, like a web of something instead of like a physical thing. So I thought that was very interesting as well. But they did help him. And he also said that, you know, one of the things he also said was, you know, he was in this craft with these things, and they never spoke a word, but he knew everything they were saying, and he believed that

they knew what he was thinking, right? So they were just, like, mind reading. Right. So, and they were also communicating this way. So that was very strange. So with that, here are some statements made from witnesses the night of the Randall Shand Forest incident, so, or at least about the night of the Randall Shem Forest incident. This is a quote from Ed Cabinsag. which was given in 1997 to a researcher named James Easton. Ed claimed, quote, we figured the lights were coming from the past the forest since nothing was visible when we passed through the woody forest.

We would see it glowing near the beacon light, but as we got closer, we found it to be a lit-up farmhouse. We got to advantage points where we could determine that we were chasing what was only a beacon of light or something in the distance. So this was one account, right? Day two, December 28th, two nights after the original siting,

the deputy-based commander, Lieutenant Colonel Charles Halt, visited the location in the Reynoldsham Forest with a few servicemen where they had witnessed the strange aircraft. So once again, they heard from the farm animals go off in a frenzy. Same thing. Same thing as the original night. It was very early in the morning between 2 a.m. and 3 a.m., and they took radiation readings of the triangle impressions and surrounding area.

Now, what I can tell you already just with that account, and by the way, these accounts are 100% real because Halt will talk about it. He comes out with like a memoir of this. The fact that they knew to take radiation readings around this area tells you something that the military already knew the advanced radiation that these crafts had, right? I mean, at the very least. Yeah, and left, you know, after the fact. Yes. So obviously, whoever these commanders are, whatever, someone above them was saying, hey, go take radiation readings because we need to see what the radiation is there.

Because obviously the government already knew these crafts, you know, when you have a spacecraft, you have radiation. And so that's a very key point of information in this story. Why else would they just randomly go out there and take radiation readings? Unless they, the government already knew that there's obviously a correlation between radiation and UFOs. But anyway, so it was very, as we said, it was really early in the morning. They used an ANPDR-27, which is a standard U.S. military radiation survey reader. Nothing was too alarming according to their readings. But they did detect a small burst of radiation.

levels over half a mile away from the original landing site. During this radiation, radiation investigation, Halt and all of the other men witnessed a flashing light to the east, almost directly in line with the farmhouse and all of the animals. They noted this was the same direction as that large bright lighthouse, the Orford Ness, as they call it. So shortly after seeing the light, they witnessed three star-like lights in the sky. One was to the south, two of them were to the north.

They estimated the lights were about 10 degrees above the horizon. They hovered for about two or three hours, and at one point, Halt noticed a stream of light seemed to beam down from it. This was the end of their experience this night. But thinking about that whole thing that you just read, it was above the animals, and the animals were already going crazy. And another thing that I find interesting in just that little topic right there

is there are three lights. And normally, when you think of three sides, you know, is a triangle. And a lot of that corresponds with what we already know. And we know animals have this sense about them. In this beam that's above the farm animals, I'm wondering, were they trying to go after the farm animals? And the reason why I think about that is because of what, Chad?

No, no, well, you think about that because of cow mutilations and everything we've seen over the past. Skinwalker Ranch was an example of that. You know, Skin Walker Ranch, that's how Skinwalker Ranch even began to get its name. and this was back in the 90s and 80s. You know, the original owners owned Skinwalker Ranch, they were some of the first farm hands or farm owners to report cattle mutilations. And this was reported heavily around that area

with the local tribes around the area. And that's the Utah Basin, which is that entire area is very plagued with anonymous UFO-like activity. Even in the show Skinwalker Ranch, many of the workers or many of the people that were a part of the show experienced radiation-type experiences. They experienced severe headaches, things where they got very dizzy during some of their experiments.

Some of these, a lot of these teams can be traced back to radiation. And even when they would open certain parts of the ranch, like these man covers or manhole covers that are on the farm near some of the old homesteads, they experience extreme high levels of radiation. And some of the people on the show even got radiation burns. including Travis. Is this Travis Walker is his name, I believe? He's a scientist that's over there. But regardless, yes.

Skin Walker Ranch is one example. But, you know, the cattle mutilation thing is very interesting. It's been very interesting with the UFO community for a long time because a lot of these cattle would be in, you know, perfectly fine one day. And then the next day, these, you know, farm owners would find their cattle with all of their organs completely surgically, precisionally. removed with no signs of blood or not like someone went and just ripped their stomach out. It was not an animal attack. It was nothing like this. The only other theory ever that we've

heard of that potentially could be the case of what would even explain this is black helicopters have been seen around the areas at times during when some of these things happen. So some people's theory is these helicopters are coming down. They are literally like joisting these cattle up, taking them to another location, surgically removing all their organs, bringing them back and putting them in the same place, which doesn't make a lot of sense. It really doesn't because we know all about, you know, if it's a black

helicopter, and it could be like the people, the men in black suits or whatever, I don't know. But that's what I think about when you see, say, black helicopters. Yeah. Yeah, it's nuts. Can you say helicopter? Yes. I just did. Anyways, I think that's not

a very valuable I don't think that would be it. No. But so let's get into the Halt memo. So remember Halt is the second in command of the space. About a week or so later, Lieutenant Colonel Halt detailed all of the events in a memo to the UK Ministry of Defense.

He was trying to make sense of everything to the best of his abilities, but this memo that he made is one of the few legitimate resources and most important pieces of evidence that we have from the Randall Shem Forrest incident. And he was pretty convinced that what he and the other servicemen

experience was otherworldly and not just bright stars. At this point, they decided to keep everything pretty hush-hush from the public. The only folks who knew anything about any of this were the servicemen, the local police, and the Ministry of Defense. However, a couple of people arrived in town that seemed to have been unusually tipped off about the experiences. A couple of men in black suits. So these men visited a worker of the forest named Vince Thur Kettle.

They started bombarding him with questions about whether he saw anything on the night in question. And here's a quote. They said, did you leave the house at all? Did you see anything? I said what? And they said, oh, there's a report of some red lights in the forest. We're just checking.

And the two of them, very politely, but firmly, asked me probably about 20 questions. I thought they were journalists. They suddenly said, oh, well, fair enough, there's probably nothing in it, and left. So I bought the papers every day for the next few days to find out what was going on. And, of course, there was nothing in the papers. It was actually three years until Haltz memo was released to the public by the United state's government. When it did, it became a massive news story and made Randall Sham Forest the UFO capital of the United Kingdom. They eventually made a UFO trail in the forest. Remember,

it's like the Roswell incident, essentially. So they're going to kind of try to publicize it or monetize it or whatever the case is. Hald has written some books and done some interviews, and even in the last 10 years, has gone on record again saying that he believes it was something extraterrestrial and that they witnessed and what they witnessed and both the UK and U.S. governments were doing their best to cover it up. In 1984, a copy of what became known as the Halt Tape was released to UFR researchers by Colonel Sam Morgan. Again, this memo, aka the Halt Tape, chronicled Haltz investigation into the force in real time, including taking radiation readings and sighting of the flashing lights between the trees and star-like objects that hovered and twinkled. Now, you might ask

why they released information. If they wanted to cover it up, Mike. guess is they knew Halt was going to expose it himself. And they have a lot of people that are very skeptical and trying their best to explain away what they witnessed. But before we get into skepticism, here are a few stories and three of them, to be exact, that are very, very strange around this story. The first one is Sergeant Jim Penningston. One of the men that were at the Air Force base, Jim Pennison, decided to go under hypnotic regression. And this happened in the 90s. The idea was to try and recall deeply buried information that may explain some of what the servicemen witnessed in the Randallsham Forest. So as a quick reminder, obviously, hypnotic regression is like

the process in which you, you know, enter a trance and recall material from a deep inside and normally not available to our conscious mind. So while under hypnosis, Penison stated that our presumed aliens are in reality visitors from a far-flung future. That future, Penison added, is very dark and infinitely and infinitely in trouble polluted and this is where the human race is overwhelmingly blighted by reproductive problems

vaccine but anyways the answer to these massive problems Penison was told by the entities he met in the woods is that they travel into the distant past to our present day to secure sperm eggs and chromosomes

all part of an effort to try to ensure the continuation of the severely waning human race of tomorrow. And that's what's so crazy about all this when we talk about similarities. You talk about all these people that have been abducted or said they've been abducted. The main thing they're going after is reproductive systems. Yeah, in some cases, for sure. A lot of the most cases, that's what they talk about.

They, you know, went through my belly button. Yeah. Well, and what I think is also very interesting about Pennington's account here and his hypnotic regression and what it found was, these aliens are from our far-flung future and could even possibly be us, right, in the future, just a very advanced type to try to save humanity. Right.

Now, why this is interesting is because there is this theory when it comes to UFOs and UAPs, is that potentially what we are seeing is either us in the future. And when I say in the future, you look forward or backwards, but we're actually starting to understand time and dimensions, which seem to be linear. Right.

So it's left and right rather than forward or backwards. So if it's left and right, rather than forwards or backwards, it makes it much easier to go from realm to realm. We just have to understand how to do this, right? And if you're in a future civilization, you probably have figured this out by now. We're actually in the process now with various different programs among many scientific communities, including CERN and trying to figure out how dimensions work, including the third dimension like what we see.

Time is another dimension in the fourth, which is very complicated. It sounds easy, but it's very complicated. And then if you think about time past that, you know, you got fifth and sixth and seventh and eighth dimension. Imagine just a difference in what we don't understand about time, including how time works in and near black holes and how if you're on a planet near a black hole, it could be you could be on this planet for an hour. But in that hour on Earth is 10 years. So that's why we don't understand time and very, very strange to understand. But think about the leap between the third dimension, which is what we see, me looking at you right now. That's three-dimensional.

We see it. We physically see it. And then think about the leap from just three to four, which is time, and how major of a difference that is. So think about if CERN, which believes there are up to 10 to 15 different dimensions, imagine what lives or what is in those dimensions that we cannot even fathom or comprehend. And I think maybe our future selves or whatever these beings could be, if they are our future selves or living in one of these little dimensions.

and they've understand how to harness and figure that out. And I think we're actually in a process now at figuring us out. But it is interesting to say that, you know, one of the things Tom DeLong and many other researchers, along with the government, has talked about is, you know, their Pentagon documents say that we actually maybe believe that these things that we could be seeing could be some kind of interdimensional thing. The government themselves have said this. And so there's very credible evidence that maybe what we're seeing,

some, at least some of what we're seeing, could be us. Or it could be a civilization that was forgotten in the past that survived some other way. Absolutely. And when we think about that, like you were saying, we have to think about past third dimension, or time. We've got to think about time. And that's why it's so hard for us to understand interdimensional. Because when we think about time, it's backward and forward. Interdimensional, to me, is like a parallel planet or something that's going on.

At the same time, and the dimensions are like intermeaning. They're intertwined. They're intertwined together somehow. You know, this could be a future like 100,000 miles away, but somehow they're intertwining right now in this particular time. Yeah. So it's you have to look at time from right to left and not front and back. Yeah.

To make any kind of sense out of interdimensional to me. And I think what you meant actually was, like 100,000 years. What did I say? Miles? Sorry. Yeah, like 100,000 years in the future or whatever. You know, just thinking about, you know, I always, my mom always talks about parallel planet. I'm like, what are you talking about parallel planet? She believes in a parallel planet.

You know, I always thought she was crazy. But the more we've researched and thought about this and thinking about interdimensional things that are possible and opening our brains, you know, again, like I said, we only use 10% of our brains. If we could even open up our brains a little bit more to understand what does interdimensional mean. What does parallel mean? What does infinity mean? All these things are so big and beyond our understanding. And I think it's because, you know, God created us to use only 10% of our brains for some reason. I don't know why. But if we could just open our brains, I think that, you know, we would understand this so much more. Well, there are ways to open your brain. And this DM.

And DMT is, like I said, is more produced with animals. But we have seen people that do DMT together that's experienced the same thing. They see some kind of alien and that shows us that their life is so much, like, it just shows your life from like above. Like, you know, you're looking down on your entire life. You see your entire existence and understand it more completely in a five-minute trip of DMT, which they naturally occur in substance. But we do, and more scientists are starting to experiment with DMT, that that DMT actually is another potential dimension, another realm that we are opening a little bit more of our brain up to experience. And we, like you said, we only use 10% of our brain. Imagine if we use 50%.

And so what that DMT does allow us to do is open up just a little bit more of our brain. And even people say that, you know, dreaming, for example, is actually contributed to the pine needle gland, which the pineal gland is actually, I believe, what is actually responsible for DMT release. And so all of those things are connected. And it's just, you know, if we could be able to harness that and figure this out more. Exactly. But I just wonder, like, why we were created with these brains that we can't even use. No question. There's no telling.

Maybe we just don't know how to use them. I don't know. It is strange. So the other witness here, Jenny Randalls, Jenny Randalls, along with Brenda Butler, were early researchers in the Randall Shand Forest Inc. She ended up getting her hands on a copy of Haltz tape. Now, a quote from Jenny says,

a number of sources on base told us that a taped record of some of the activity had been made. We were given a description of a new by early 1983 that it was recorded in the forest during the second night of the encounters, featuring officers and men who were seeing various UFOs, she said. In her mind, especially once the tape surfaced publicly in 1983, three years after the entire incident, she felt like it truly confirmed all the rumors and stories coming out of the base around the time regarding what they witnessed. and essentially the firsthand accounts and testimonies from the Air Force Base servicemen. So in 1988, Jenny reached out to a journalist. The journalist said that they were working on a documentary with the BBC,

and the main subject was going to be UFOs in the Randall Shem incident. Now, the documentary was intended to air on BBC in December of 1988. With Jenny being a researcher and having a copy of the halt tape, he felt it was prudent that he spoke with her. So Jenny agreed to take part in the interview. in her mind it was more of an exposure, which was a good thing. The man arrived with a very professional equipment that Jenny had experienced herself

when dealing with BBC staffed previously, and as he was setting up for the interview, advised Jenny that the documentary would be focused on the Randall Shand Forrest case and the all manner of questions were intended for her to display her expertise, knowledge, and opinions on what happened at the time. The name he gave her was Tom Adams. Now, during the course of the interview, Tom's entire focus shifted to the halt tape,

knowing that she had a copy of, it, not just a copy of it, but supposedly the original tape. He requested Jenny give him the tape so that he can use it for the BBC project. And Jenny obviously quickly denied this request, immediately saying no, although Jenny suggested that she make him a copy of the tape. While this seemed like a fair middle ground to Jenny, Tom didn't budge. He became more aggressive in asking that she give him the original halt tape. He claimed it was crucial that he had the original tape. She went on to tell him that she likely didn't even have the original tape anyway. it was likely the military copied it and gave her a different one than the original.

They didn't sway Tom, though, and he kept requesting. Eventually, Jenny gave him and told Tom that she would give him the original tape. However, unbeknownst of Tom, she gave him a copy that she had made of one of the military gave her, which is essentially a copy of a copy. So this pleased Tom, the interview was quickly concluded after receiving the halt copy, and he went on his way. A few weeks later, Jenny checked in with the BBC to see when the documentary was going to air, she was excited to see it.

What program came the reply? No one at the BBC knew anything about a proposed UFO documentary, and no one there knew a Tom Adams. And quote from Jenny says, I do find it odd that he should be particularly insistent about needing the original tape. This rather infer some ulterior motive. So yes, it sounds like that this guy was there,

probably on behalf of some government, probably the United States government, who knows, to try to get rid or rid of whatever tape that Jenny had, especially if it was the original tape. tape, they did not want someone in possession of the original tape. Maybe that's what it was. It could be. It could be, but it's funny that she reached out to this guy.

They must have put something out saying, hey, we're with BBC and we're doing this documentary or whatever. And she reached out to them. And then when they figured out she had this original tape, they wanted it. And they wanted the original copy to get rid of it. Yeah. And she knew that something was up. Yeah.

So, and, you know, when she was looking forward to this documentary and it didn't happen, she's like, where did this Tom Adams go? Or is his name Tom Collins or Tom, whatever. Sounds like a made-up name. Yeah. Now, probably the craziest most bonkers experience of this whole thing, right, was Larry Warren in his experience. This is witness number three. So after the two days of potential alien encounters and everything hot in the servicemen were claiming, there were additional military personnel around the area. many of them had unusual and sophisticated scientific equipment that many of the people around the base were not accustomed to seeing.

Larry Warren, one of the men in the Air Force Base, reported that the military personnel was swarming around the dense darkwood seemingly deeply anticipating the return of this UFO or UFOs. So in addition to the farm animals nearby, it was claimed that a lot of wildlife like deer's and rabbits seemed to be fleeing from the forest and droves. They seemed spooked to their cores by something unknown in the forest. Warren and a number of his colleagues and friends were ordered to head into the woods. They weren't given a Y, just in order to enter. When the group arrived at a clearing, they could see that the immediate vicinity was lit up by eerie mist. It felt very tense, and he could sense his own anxiety along with the entire group's rising. There were countless people swarming around with cameras and other equipment,

and he immediately knew that something very strange was happening, and he was wondering why he was in there. Out of nowhere, there seemed to be a small blue ball of light that headed towards the the mist before coming to an immediate stop. It hovered overhead, and then there was an intense, powerful flash, and it was gone. He shielded his eyes from the flash, and when they regained focus, his glazed returned to where the blue light

had been. He noticed there was a tiny object that seemed to be a pyramid-like in shape. Then something even more incredible happened. A large ball of gold-blue light surfaced from the side of the craft, maneuvered slowly, and came to a halt about three or so meters before the military personnel.

Warren claims that contained within the ball were a trio of small creatures. It was very obvious to warn that these beings were 100% not human. They had large, bulbous heads and cat-like eyes. Everything started to get a little bit fuzzy, and he was admittedly in a bit of shock. But he remembers some sort of conversation back and forth between the creatures of unknown origin and a military officer nearby at the same time. A few moments later, Warren and his group were told to return to the truck that they had arrived in. And here's a quote from what happened the next evening.

Early on the following evening, Warren, on base, but off duty at the time, received a phone call. Now, the caller ordered Warren to head down to the dorm parking area and to be there in 20 minutes. Now, Warren was additionally told to keep a lookout for a dark sedan. Puzzled, Warren did exactly as he was told, and sure enough, there was a car. So Warren walked over to it. With hindsight, that may not have been a good idea. Two men in black suits directed him to one of the rear doors of the vehicle. Warren followed their orders and got into the car.

At this point, things got even weirder. A strange green glow dominated the interior of the sedan. It wasn't just illuminated, it was glowing. And on top of that, Warren began to feel very strange as if he had been suddenly drugged. From there, Warren recalls being groggly taken to an underground portion of the base, possibly one that was extremely deep. and what he encountered from one side of the Plexglass window, but may very well have been something unearthly.

In Warren's on words, as presented in Left at East Gate, which is a book, quote, I stepped into the confined area and felt as if I was no longer on earth. I found myself looking into a gigantic, dark, cavernous space. It reminded me of the interior of the Houston Astrodome in some strange way. Beads of humidity rolled down the other side of the sea, seamless glass. A shadowy small figure was vaguely seen behind the glass and strange and brief conversation occurred. It was one in which Warren visualized words and pictures in his mind. The entity appeared to know much of Warren's life and indicated it came from a realm that he

would never be able to understand. Warren later found himself wondering the base as his mind finally began to return to normal. So that encounter is pretty nuts, right? I mean, this is a military personnel that was on the base that then apparently gets contacted by some dudes in black suits, which may have been a part of this whole thing. Who knows? But in the beginning, the reason why they contacted him is because he actually seen a blue light, a ball come out from the side of the mothership was what it sounds like. No, but this is when these guys that showed up around the base, you know, a lot of lot of the military personnel said that they saw these a bunch of new people around the base

going into woods and then they called him and his unit into the woods with them. And this is when they saw this ball. So they all went with them and they all saw the ball together? Yeah. And in this ball, this blue ball that came off the ship, there was a trio, which means three. And I keep going back to that because everything is in threes. Yeah, three, three, three, three, three, three, three, three, three, everything. Well, and another thing he says here, though, too, is.

is that, you know, if you take it word for word for what he said that these beings communicate with him, right, was we are from a realm that you will not be able to understand. Understand ever. But yet, I do think, though, you know, this is something that we talked about on the previous two podcast episodes that never released. I do think that we are starting to grasp and at least get our minds a little bit around the possibilities of things that we just don't understand. understand. And although we don't understand necessarily dimensions and realms or all these various

things that we can't see or feel or touch or even, you know, comprehend, we are starting to at least but some people at least are potentially seeing that, hey, this could exist. We do know that like if these things do exist, if these realms or dimensions do exist, we may not understand it. We may not be able to get there, but we at least understand that this is a possibility. So things that we can't explain may always be that way with our brains. And sometimes it's there in front of you, but is it really like there in front of you or is it a different realm? And my question about this whole story, because that story is pretty long, but it's crazy, is that these men that they don't even know who it is, bring them back in and they all see this together. And then they take

him back into the black sedan where it's like lit up crazy. Yeah. Makes no sense. And then they take him somewhere where there's plexiglass and there's humidity on one side and he's having a conversation with a being on the other side of the plexiglass. Well, you know, you've heard of, what I'm just trying to think like in my mind, where did these people, okay, from the time he got out of the forest and he was told to meet these guys in the parking lot within this black sedan. And when he got in there,

he knew it was weird, and then it seemed like he got drugged, right? And then all of a sudden he wakes up and he's in this realm that's not even earthly. Yeah, and he was probably in another dimension. But it's still like there's plexiglass between him and the other being.

But it seems like the being knew everything about him. Well, and that's the thing. I mean, you know, we have to think back. He says that he felt like he was drugged, right? Right. Or something similar to this. And that's interesting,

Because, you know, like with DMT, you are drugged, even though it's a natural thing, but you are drugged to where you go in this other round to where you pass out. Right. Like if you've ever seen anyone do, and by the way, I'm not encouraging anyone to do DMT. But what I'm saying is, if you've ever seen anyone do DMT, which I actually have, I've seen it on video. Yeah, I have to. There are videos on YouTube.

With like a medicine man guy. Or that and other stuff. It's pretty crazy. But it's crazy because these people go somewhere else. I don't know where their minds or spirits or whatever is. that they go, but their body and their consciousness is disconnected. But they look like they're dying when it happens. It's strange.

It really does because they're like sweating and freaking out. And a lot of people are using ayahuasca, which is like another kind of form of DMT. They're using DMT and ayahuasca for soldiers and PTSD because it is helping their brain and their mindset as far as being able to deal and cope with things. Because the thing about, I think what DMT does very well for people with traumatic. experiences in the past, especially in war times and so on, I think what DMT really does is show you how small you really are and how even though you have these issues and problems, it shows you how huge and massive of things you don't understand, but it also very plainly makes you

understand things that you don't or can't comprehend or cope with or deal with. But it also shows you the possibility outside of what your little life and your little problems are, right? And even people that have said, you know, Joe Rogan said it. There's been a bunch of people that, you know, these aliens and some of these experiences are like, hey, why don't you quit being a little bitch? Because, you know, I mean, they're like this.

You know, I mean, this is true. But I'm still going back to this encounter. And the only thing that keeps me from thinking, it's a different encounter or a different dimension or something different is the whole plexiglass thing with the mist like dripping down.

Well, that could still be another dimension. It's just like, well, I mean, because if you think about it, I mean, if, if you want to say it in some way, shape, or form, and we don't, we don't even completely understand dreaming, right, for one example. But even if you say that potentially dream in takes you to some kind of other dimension, right, some kind of other little realm that we just, we see it as dreaming, but for whatever reason, a lot of people believe that, and I think it's scientifically proven that it's a DMT release actually in some way that that makes us dream. Well, if that's the case, that doesn't mean we can't see plexiglass and we can't see, you know, physical things in our dreams or even DMT trips or whatever the case may be. So I don't think you should take the, which I understand what you're saying. Okay, let me let me just tell you real quick, and I hope you remember this movie. Do you remember the movie of like the two, it was a couple, and I think something was wrong with her. But they went into their, they went outside their house, it went into like a shit.

And there was a time travel capsule that they went into. And then they figured out how to travel in time. And then when they went there, they were still in their little safe space. And they had glass all around. But they were in some kind of other dimension, planet, something. And nobody knew about it. And other people were trying to figure out what was going on. But they were the only ones that knew about it.

I think that's called something like something, something the stars or something. I can't remember what the show was. It was a Netflix show. It was a good show, though. That's what's kind of coming to my brain is like, what if there is some way that somebody came up with some kind of time travel capability or whatever where we're still not completely like in the time travel, but we can see it through like a plexiglass or something if that makes sense? Yep. Because that's what I keep thinking about is that plexiglass and the moisture on that side and him communicating with this other being on the other side. Yeah.

Let's tell me they were not in the same dimension at the same time. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's very strange. And one thing I want to touch on before we go, too, and this is very important. And we had mentioned substack earlier on in our fireside chats, which is what we're going to be doing very soon. And we're going to be doing this in the next week. But we're actually going to visit a good friend of ours. Bree, she's been on the podcast before on previous episodes where we talk about the Bible.

She's very, she knows the Bible very well. and we have talked about the Bible, whether you're religious or not, we still talk and compare the Bible in certain aspects to some of the things that happen and go on today. But there was something I've seen and been seeing, especially since the UFO topic has been heating up especially over the past few days, about religious beliefs and UFOs and Christians and UFOs.

And this is a very interesting topic to me because there was someone that posted on Twitter that says, Defense Department is investigating 650 UFO instance, and then their quote is, two idiots talk. This is about a Fox business commentators that are talking

about the subject. And they say probably this is the worst coverage I've ever seen in a while. And so this guy is basically saying that one of the main host and I actually could play this to you. Maybe I will play this to you. Let me pull this up.

So this is Fox what business? Fox, yeah, it's a Fox business account, but it's, it is a very, very dumb, like, I guess, reporting on the UFO thing. It just, it, it sounds so old, like, you know, old people talking about UFOs or whatever the case is. But if you think about a lot of people still think like that, you know. No, I get it. There's not people that think outside the box. There's not a lot of people, like, think outside the box like you guys and we do. Yeah, I get that.

Yeah. So, all right, here is the, I'm going to play this because we're going to use this to lead up to our fireside chat when we do go visit Bree. We're going to probably have a fireside chat before that episode, but that'll be on our substack. But I want you to hear what this guy, this commentator on Fox Business says, and along with his female co-host as well about the UFO thing. And then I'm going to briefly touch on this. And then we're going to talk about what we're going to talk about on the fireside chat. So here you go. Let's see if this works.

identified flying objects. They're still called UFOs. Citings thereof have gone up significantly. Okay. Are we discovered an alien yet? No. The Defense Department says they have no proof of alien life, but they are still looking. In fact, they're investigating 650 cases of aerial incursions or unidentified aircraft. Everyone's thinking of the spy balloon, right? The trip it took across the U.S. in February. But 650 incidences, no. credible evidence of extracurricular, extraterrestrial activity at this point. What would you say if I, wait for it, what would you say if I were to say, I'm going to say, I don't believe in aliens. I don't believe in UFOs because I am a Christian and human beings are unique in this galaxy and this universe. I like to believe in the possibility of alien life so we can make new friends and new partners in the future. mentioned in the Bible.

Well, that's not necessarily true, buddy. All right, so listen, so this is his account of, like, a older man, Christian account of aliens, right? And I think this is a huge topic. It's been heavily debated, I guess, I mean, especially lately. But religious folks won't have much of a problem with disclosure, but, you know, the guy says, I don't believe in aliens. I don't believe in UFOs because I'm a Christian and human beings are unique in the galaxy in this universe. And they're not mentioned in the Bible.

But I don't necessarily agree with that, right? I mean, there are actually certain passages of the Bible passages of the Bible that I believe are talking about UFOs. And a couple in particular. But besides that also, there are things that, you know, pastors everywhere. They read and interpret the Bible the way they interpret it. the Bible is not a very straightforward book. It is not something that you can just read and understand completely based on your life experiences or whatever the case is. But I think you've got to be smart enough to also interpret things. I don't believe that God ever said, number one, that I never

created anyone else, right? I mean, to my knowledge, he never said this. What he does mention many times is I created the heavens, plural, in the earth. He also talks about heaven in singular form as far as if you're good, you go to heaven, which is singular. It's not if you're good. It's if you believe in Jesus. Yes, or whatever. But you know what I'm saying. And so this topic of religious and biblical versus UFOs, and if you're a Christian or believe in God or whatever, can you believe in UFOs, I 100% say you can. I think that, if anything, I mean, I think there are things in the Bible that talk about this, including towards the end times, which we have compared like the book and the Bible and all that.

that stuff about what's going on and has been going on in the past five or ten years in this world and how it kind of correlates with the Bible. The Bible also says towards the end times that you're going to see signs from the heavens, right? Now, remember in the Bible it talks about, hey, I created the heavens and the earth, the heavens being space. There's no question. That's what God meant when he said heavens. And so when he says you see, you will see signs from the heavens. I believe that's UFOs. I believe that's what he's talking about. We've never seen more signs from the heavens. Maybe we have, but we have not had the ability to see them, but that's, that's probably what he means. Once you start seeing more signs from the heavens, you're going to know that,

hey, maybe the time's near. All I'm saying is on our fireside chat with Bree, and Bree and I do disagree a little bit on the UFO topic, not saying she don't believe in UFOs. I don't know. I'll let her tell you that. But on our fireside chat, on their farm, in a middle of nowhere, around a fire, we're going to talk about this. And we're going to get into the details and and try to see, and you guys can tell us what your thoughts are on it. But this is going to be a huge topic because there's a lot that goes in just this. This could be a multiple podcast situation talking about the Bible and aliens and UFOs and, you know, how that all corresponds with each other.

But this is a huge topic. And it's very interesting. It's something that I think Christians battle with, especially when they're hearing stuff like this. I think people of religious beliefs battle with this, but I also think there's a lot of religious people out there that also believe this. And it depends on how you read or interpret the Bible. And that's what I think. But you also have to remember that the Bible has been interpreted. Oh, yeah.

Tons and tons and tons. I think the original Bible was in Hebrew, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. And to translate it from different language to different languages to the, you know, the new king whatever version whatever to this version to that version there's so many different versions you got to remember humans are the ones that are interpreting yeah right yeah but guys yeah for sure listen when you subscribe to our substack and go over there and there is a free and there's a premium version by the way um but either way when you do subscribe to it go to uh go to our UFO post

you'll see it that's a free post um go to our UFO post and and tell us just you just initial thoughts on when I do talk to Bree, from the angle of the Bible and UFOs, I want you to tell me what your thoughts are on it for and or against it, right? If you're a Christian and you don't believe, which I, maybe some of you are listening, don't believe, but if you are a Christian and don't believe or skepticor or whatever, tell me why. And if you do believe and believe in God, tell me why also. And we'll talk about that on the far side chat.

And you can just tell me you like me. Yeah, you can just say hey to Sherry, even though Sherry's never on Substack, for some reason. Yeah, well, you can just say, hey, Sherry. But she's going to start getting on Substack. So if you want to talk to Sherry, you can go talk to her too. I'm going to make her get on there. Well, you just have to show me how to do it, guys. It's not hard, I promise.

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