Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Savannah Guthrie’s Mother Kidnapping: New Details Emerge | True Crime

Episode Date: February 7, 2026

New details have emerged in the reported kidnapping of Savannah Guthrie’s mother, and the case appears to be entering a more critical phase. Since our last episode, authorities have held a second press conference, confirming additional information while carefully limiting what they’re willing to say publicly. The language used, and what was notably left unsaid, suggests investigators may be further along than they’re letting on. In this episode, we break down what has changed, analyze the key statements from law enforcement, and discuss the emotional public plea issued by Nancy’s family to whoever is holding her. We’ll examine why this plea feels directed, what it may signal about the investigation, and how these developments are shaping public perception. This is a true crime update that raises serious questions about what investigators know, and what may be coming next.Check out our merch store

Welcome to Investigator of the podcast. I'm your host chat alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. Since our last episode, there's been a noticeable shift in this case. A second press conference was held, and while officials are still avoiding giving full details, it didn't feel like a lack of answers. It actually felt more like restraint. The wording, the pauses, and what wasn't said suggesting investigators may be further along, then they're willing to admit publicly.

We also heard from Nancy's family, who issued a direct plea to whoever is responsible for taking her. It was calm, emotional, and carefully worded. And when you listen closely, it feels like, less like a general appeal and more like a message meant for someone specific. Tonight we're going to break down what was said, why the language matters, and what these developments could be quietly telling us about where this case really stands. Guys, welcome to the show. It is February the 6th, 2026.

The name of this song is so emotional by Love and Calibur. And this is part two of the Nancy Guthrie kidnapping slash disappearance, possibly murder, hopefully not. We don't exactly know what the situation is. I don't think the FBI does. I don't think local PD does. But what I will say is the reason why we're doing a part two is because when you listen to the second press conference, which we're going to go over tonight. We're also going to go over the pleas from the Guthrie family.

We're going to also go over the new TMZ video that was just released today where Harvey Levin, which is one of the co-founders of TMZ, he essentially last night was thinking through everything. And he actually had a pretty good theory or at least thought process on all of that. we're going to cover that. But here's essentially what has changed since our last episode. New possible communications from whoever may have her. This came as we started the recording of this episode tonight. Investigators confirmed they received a second message linked to the case and are actively reviewing it for its authenticity.

Though they have not released its contents to the public, both the FBI and Pima County Sheriff's Department are examining a new message as up today. The family has also issued an urgent direct plea. Savannah Guthrie's family renewed their message to whoever might behold Nancy, asking them to make contact and show proof of life. Savannah's brother Cameron specifically stated that the family needs a way to communicate to move forward, emphasizing Nancy's fragile help and need for medication. And then forensic confirmation and investigative focus, authorities confirm that the blood found at Nancy's home belongs to her, reinforcing the belief that she was taken against her will, and officials are continuing an active search with federal support and urgent anyone with information. to come forward. And then the Pima County Sheriff became emotional during one update, stressing hope and urgency. But again, noted no suspect has been publicly identified despite the evidence and leads that they are pursuing. Because obviously on the last show, we had talked about Banfield on her podcast. She had said that the authorities, based on an inside source, were looking at the sister of Savannah Guthrie and her husband, more specifically her husband. And Pima County Sheriff's Office, FBI,

everyone has said that there is no suspects and no person of interest in this case. So we don't know for sure, even if they were looking at the family, would they be saying that publicly? Probably not. Yeah, and it is interesting. Whenever there's cases like this, if there's a missing person or a murder case or what have you, they're always going to look at the family first. So, of course, they're always going to look at the people that are closest to Nancy. And Annie, living 10 minutes away from her is the closest, along with her husband.

and they were also the last ones to see her. Now, what's conflicting in the statements during the news conferences is that in the first conference, it kind of came out that first, Annie said that she drove her mother home with her husband. And then during the second conference, they refused to say anything except for it was a family member that drove her home. They would not even specifically say who would drive her home. home. And I think that's where Ashley Banfield and her sources are coming from is because Annie and her husband drove her home. But then they say, and there's, I guess, gossip rumors going around that Annie

didn't actually drive her home that it was just her husband that drove Nancy home. And so he would be the last one to see her. Yeah. And that would be why he would be a person of interest. Now, can you also explain to me real quick? Because we had talked about and mentioned this earlier, what's the deal with the Uber stuff with Nancy Guthrie? Has she been taken home by Uber before or is there speculation that maybe she was taken home that night by an Uber? Exactly. Well, she wasn't taken home, but she did take an Uber to go to her daughter's house

that was four miles away. And she had an Uber pick her up and drove her to her daughter Annie's house for her birthday. They had a little birthday celebration because she just had a birthday in January. Yeah. first, Annie said her and her husband took her home, and then later came back and said, just her husband took her home. And now, like I said, detectives are just saying it was a family member that took her home. And when she got home, she went in through the garage. Yeah, that is

strange for sure. I mean, and look, there's a lot of people that go, you know, into their homes through a garage. Obviously, it sounds like, according to the press conferences, that whoever entered the home likely entered from the back door, they obviously took Nancy Guthrie out from the front door. And so regardless of whether or not she entered through the garage or not, I don't think that really matters in terms of what happened that night. But what I will say is that I think this second press conference gives us more details. I think that Harvey and TMZ, what they had talked about is actually pretty interesting.

But more specifically, I also want to talk on this show tonight about the Bitcoin ransom demand because I think that's very important. I think it's extremely important. I think it also tells us potentially something about the suspects or whoever is actually holding Nancy Guthrie because you know it's one thing obviously to demand cash or to demand which obviously cash will be hard unless you dropped it off somewhere right you say hey drop it off at this location obviously whoever's going to say that is going to know that that location is going to be watched you know extensively so the easiest and safest way to demand ransom money and get it paid out

is through Bitcoin and I'll talk about that in just a little bit I've been studying that pretty hard because there's speculation like are you anonymous if you have bitcoin if you do it the right way like the original way that bitcoin was intended and obviously with all of these platforms now like coinbase and robin hood and you name it where you can go and buy bitcoin and then they hold it for you obviously that's not anonymous because you have to sign up you've got to get of all kinds of information and so i think it's also important to kind of dive down this little rabbit hole about the bitcoin like how anonymous is it and the fact that we know that TMZ had checked that account, the Bitcoin account, knows that it is an active account, meaning this account can receive funds.

So it is someone's account. But the question is like, how anonymous is that account? Can the FBI find out who owns the account? And if not, why? And if not, can they ever? And there are things about that. Yeah. And it's just crazy to me when you think about the Bitcoin accounts, you know, it wasn't too long ago.

there was a man that had like $400 million in Bitcoin and he lost his key. Can't get it back? And I actually just saw an article that came out yesterday about that where he was finally giving up on that $400 million that he never got. It belongs to him. Yeah. But he lost his key and no one can find it. Yeah, there's really no way.

I mean, especially if you don't hold your Bitcoin on like Robin Hood or Coinbase or one of these platforms, likely you could find a way to, you know, verify your identity to get back into your Bitcoin account. if it's held on one of these accounts. But you got to remember when Bitcoin first started, they didn't have all of these accounts like Robin and Coinbase and all this. So it was directly and specifically and only through the blockchain. And there was a specific process of how you buy Bitcoin.

But if you lost your key, you're screwed because there's no way anybody's going to be able to get it for you. And so that's also very interesting. But I did want to make it a couple announcements. Guys, if you want to follow us on our social media, we have all the social media. We have X. We have Instagram. We have Facebook. Make sure you follow us.

If you want to send us a message with your thoughts on. this case. Please do so. We also have an email, investigate Earth podcast at protonmel.com. And sometimes the easiest way to get in touch with us in reality is through Facebook or one of our social media. We try to monitor our messages as much as possible. And if you really want to directly contact us, our email is the best way. All right. So let's go ahead and get into the second press conference. This was the second press conference that was held yesterday. We're going to break it down what they say, why they say certain things they do. And guys, I do want to let you know. be in the left ear only just for about one minute and then it goes to both ears. I don't know why,

but it was some kind of mic glitch. Good morning. I hope you've been kind of informed with the rules that I'm going to try to get as many, if not all of you, an opportunity to ask a question. But last time we tried this, it was just kind of chaotic people yelling. So I'd ask that you just kind of be patient with me, pay attention to the questions asked, because sometimes you guys want I ask the same question twice and you get the same answer. So help yourself get what you can out of this. I'm going to give you one question and a follow-up. Okay.

But before we get there, I do have some comments. First of all, I want to begin by offering our condolences to our partners at the State. Department of Public Safety's tragically lost two members last night in a helicopter crash up in northern. Arizona. So if you would keep them in your prayers, Colonel Gov or in his team, I'm sure, would have greatly appreciate it. Along the same lines, I think you all saw last night. I also want to say about the helicopter crash real quick. This was a active shooting of some sort that was going on in northern Arizona. It actually

wasn't crazy far from the Guthrie scene or the Guthrie house. But apparently a police helicopter, public safety helicopter, was monitoring the situation on the ground. There was a shoot out of some sort that happened on the ground. And then the shooter on the ground started shooting the helicopter. It brought the helicopter down

and killed two people on board. So there was a lot of speculation at first whether or not this was connected whatsoever. And it seems like it isn't, but you know, you never know. I just wanted to point that out. That's what he was referring to. I can just speak up, not yell.

Apparently I talk soft. We saw last night the family. You know, they just hurt. Understandably so. And so I really want you to know this entire team here, those behind me and our community are hurting with you. We really just want mom back. Okay. Right now, we do.

believe Nancy is still out there. We want our home, our department, our department, the sheriff's department, along with all of our partners at the FBI, have been working around the clock. Partners at the FBI have been working around the clock. And we just want her home and get, and find a way to get to the bottom of all of this, just as you do. But I have other partners, out there who have stepped up, and you've probably noticed them in the last few days, if not the last few hours, and you're going to see more of that. I've made a decision to contact our PICRIT team, and those of you not local, that's our Pima Regional Critical Incident team. It's made up of law enforcement officers from this entire valley. Pazcoiaki Police Department, Tucson Police Department, Morana Police Department, Oral Valley Police Department, Pima College Police Department, Tucson International Police Department, Sarita Police Department.

so many of them. And they are going to help us tremendously. And that's really done because we have so much in front of us still. And we're hoping that, you know, I know the FBI has committed a very large number of men and women to partner with us, work side by side with us. We go do an interview. They're going to be there with us. We're going to go look at some evidence or process evidence. They're going to be right there with us. We're sharing. I got to pause for a second because we do have some breaking news as we're actually. on the show recording right now. There has been a wave of police vehicles that are arriving at Nancy Guthrie's home as we speak.

This was just over the last 20 or so minutes. This comes after a couple of hours ago. There was a new ransom letter that was sent to local media. I'm just seeing this come across literally right now. Over the past few minutes, a wave of law enforcement vehicles, both federal and local law enforcement is at Nancy Guthrie's home. That doesn't sound good. Well, we don't know exactly why, but what I'm thinking potentially is that whatever this letter said was maybe another clue about what was either in the house, something that they were saying to verify that, hey, yes, we are the people that have Nancy.

Here's more proof. So maybe that's why they're sending them back to the house. I mean. But why would there be a wave of police presence going to find one piece of evidence? I have no idea. I think it's bigger than that. I don't know. But that's what we're hearing right now.

Now, this was literally about 40 minutes ago, as we're looking at it right now, about 40 minutes ago. So I just wanted to break in. We'll continue to listen to this press conference. And anything that comes in as we're listening, we'll let you know. Every piece of information, all the data we can to get this thing solved. And it's important that my partners in law enforcement know and understand their roles because it is very large, complex investigation with a lot of moving parts. And we're at that phase now where sometimes we're waiting, right? We're waiting for analysis.

We're waiting for lab reports. But even then, when they come back quickly, for example, some DNA, we rushed what we thought was the best target for DNA. We did a rush through and got some of that back. The results were minimal. I think you all know the blood on the porch. That was one we did. It came back to Nancy. That's what we know. But there's still more items that have been submitted. We just haven't got them back yet. But in the meantime, we're not just sitting on our haunches waiting. We do have a number of leads coming in. And that's why we brought in that B.I, for one, but P-Crit as well, to be able to get out there and handle these leads as they come in as quickly and as expeditiously as we can. And every single lead is looked at, every one of them. And so we're gearing up.

You probably have some questions about what you've seen in the last couple of days. I'll gladly answer those at that time. But it really is about getting our partners out there. To be fair, when we went to that scene, the first night, Saturday night, it was just us. Since then, the FBI and others have asked, can we go and see it as well? and that's what you've been seeing. But it is a very important case to not just me and my team, but this entire community, all of our law enforcement partners.

Suspects. I know there's been a lot out there about suspects. And I want to be very clear. At this time, we have not identified a suspect or a person of interest in this case. We are working our best to do that. But to be clear, we have nobody of interest or any suspects that you would consider a prime suspect. It was just not there. We're not there yet.

The timeline, I think we've got it on the board, do we not? This is a timeline that we have been able to develop with some of the things that we've had processed, various pieces of electronics that we've gathered. And you look at some of this, and I know you're, you're going to say, well, why did it take you so long to get this to us, Sheriff? Well, because one thing, it's got to go out and be processed at different lab sites. And sometimes that stuff comes back to us. And like you, we have questions. And we say, wait a minute, what is this about? What about this? Could it be that? And so it's sent back or it's sent somewhere else. So, and that's happening

with all of the things we see, that process, that review and that questioning of, all right, what is it we're looking at? So I'll go over it with you. You can see it on the board there, but at about 5.32 p.m., these are approximate times. 532 p.m., Nancy travels to her local family's home for dinner and playing games with the family. Just visiting. At 9.48 p.m., which is very consistent to what we were told by the family,

that Nancy was dropped off at home, and we know that because we have a garage door open. at approximately, I can't stress that enough, at approximately 9.48 p.m. At 9.50 p.m., that garage door closes. Because that time, we assume that Nancy's home and probably going to bed. Sunday morning, early morning, at 1.47 a.m., the doorbell camera disconnects. At 2.12 a.m., software detects a.m. detects a. but there's no video available. They had no subscription, and therefore it would rewrite itself, kind of,

it just kind of loops, right, and covers up. That's what our analysis teams have told us. We're not done with that. We'll do all we can, but that's what it says. Detects a person on a camera. Could that be an animal? I imagine that's possible. We don't know that.

We just have no video, but we're not giving up on that. 228, Nancy's pacemaker app shows that it was a disconnect from the phone. And at 1156 a.m., the family checks on Nancy and discovers her missing. And at 1203 p.m., 9-1. has called in to the P.m. County Sheriff's Department. I believe it's about approximately 10 minutes later, 12 minutes later. Our patrol teams arrive. They see the scene, and we start our response with our staff. search and rescue teams and our detectives from homicide and various units. In fact, every unit here, I think somebody questioned, how come there's an I-Kek member

out here or this member? Everybody in our criminal investigations team is a part of this team and part of this investigative effort. All right. So let's break down, just as he said, 532 dinner at families, obviously the sister's house. 9.48 p.m. dropped off 9.50, the garage door closes at 147 doorbell cam disconnect. So when these people arrive, that is when they disconnect the doorbell cam. 212, that is when the software detects a person, although later on the press conference,

they say they could not, I guess, kind of said they could not really see anybody because it was so dark. So it did detect potentially a person. Could it have been an animal, possibly? 228 a.m. the pacemaker is disconnected from the act. So that just shows that she has then moved away from that device. And it doesn't really have to be that far away from the device. Just think of if you have Bluetooth, you know, earbuds in or whatever, how far you can walk until your earbuds are disconnected from your phone or you can no longer hear it. So it really doesn't have to be that far.

It could be literally from your front door to the road. When they first disconnect the doorbell camera, it's at 147. And it's not until 228 her pacemaker disconnects. That gives them a lot of time. And what I think, you know, this is just speculation of what I've kind of gone through and what I'm thinking about. I think somehow they disconnected the ring camera. It wasn't a ring camera, but it's like a ring camera. Nest camera.

Yeah, a nest camera. Yeah, a nest camera. I think they disconnected within her house first and then went and woke her up and the struggle began. They don't mention this in the press conference, but I have researched and found that around 2 a.m., there was a spike. in her pacemaker. And then it was disconnected about 28 minutes later. Yeah, I mean, obviously, to me, that kind of signals more towards that's when they woke her up.

She was scared. She freaked out. She was in a fight. You know, obviously, if your heart rate is going through the roof, that is likely where the spike came from. And then not long after that, that is when the pacemaker disconnects. That is when they took her out of the house. So while we're here, I do want to talk about Brian Inton is actually on the scene at the

residents of Nancy Guthrie. And he's saying right now, investigators are back at Nancy Guthrie's house. They are closing down the road and moving all media out for investigative purposes. He also goes further. Besides that, the second note went to KOLD TV station in Tucson. They say the IP address is not the same IP address as the initial note, but it appears the sender used the same type of secure server to hide their IP address. The new note contains something the sender seemed to think will prove to investigators

they're the same people who sent the first note. So they're trying to give proof that, hey, we are the same people, may not be the same IP address, which likely it wouldn't be the same IP address if they're going through encryption and VPNs and various servers or software to hide their IP address. IP addresses change all the time nowadays. It's not like it used to be to where you would have one set IP address,

and that was it. You do have Mac addresses, IP addresses, dynamic IP addresses, all of that, but especially if you go through multiple levels of encryption and VPNs, you know, you can have a VPN that is sending your signal through Ukraine if you want to. Right, because a lot of times I've checked in on my own device and it says I'm in a whole different city than where I am, but it was me checking in. Well, that's because your phone is getting the signal from that city that is showing where you're at.

And so sometimes, like on your phone, like I'll get stuff from Amazon and Exodus talking about like we're in Hickory or whatever. Right. Right. And I never understand that. Well, that's just because your signal is bouncing off of either that tower or that particular area. It's not where your phone is, but that's where your signal is actually received from. So anyways, let's listen to some more of this press conference.

I want to clarify some things that I may have already done. But, yeah, I've gone over with the blood at the front door, the doorbell camera. It was removed. We know that. but we're not confirming that any cameras were smashed or destroyed around the house. I don't know where that came from, but that's something we're not confirming. The car, the car that was at the home, it's just standard investigative practices. It's part of the search warrant scene court orders.

We pull it out of there and do our scene processing with the vehicle. Uber, we did speak to a driver because now. we learned had been taken the Uber to the family residence, the daughter for dinner. And we located that driver and spoke with them and got that information. The house, you guys got this, I think, conducting follow-up. I think you said somebody had mentioned that they saw a team out there again last night or yesterday, and it was, that's just, again, what I was talking about before. Our partners wanted a chance to see it and examine things themselves.

And more importantly, it's just we're constantly following up on things and go, hey, what about this? So we want to go back and check on some things. I do think it's important also to mention that he specifically says there is no evidence of any smashed cameras around the house. He goes on to say that there was just the front doorbell camera that was removed, at least that's the way he makes it out. So we don't even know if there were other cameras in the house. He literally says the only thing in this particular incident was the front doorbell camera. And there is absolutely no evidence that any other cameras were smashed and they don't know

where that even came from. So I just wanted to point that out. And the reason why that's important is because if there was cameras inside the house or hidden or outside the house, yeah, that might lean more towards someone new the house. Maybe it was, you know, family or someone that goes around the house, a landscaper, a housekeeper, but it sounds like the only camera that was messed with was the front doorbell camera.

The other thing. Someone had mentioned there was forced entry. I have no clue where that comes from. We have been very consistent. We are not discussing that at all, whether it's forced entry or not forced entry. That is something we're just not discussing. So I don't know where anybody got that information.

I think I am. I am about done with my piece of this. I'm going to introduce, bring up here, Heath Yankee, and I think you know him if you haven't been here. John Edwards is the assistant agent in charge with the FBI here at the Tucson office. Heath Yankee is the special engineer in charge for the state of Arizona out of Phoenix, and he will come up and speak. Thank you, Sheriff.

Hello, I'm Heath Yankee, the special aide in charge of the FBI's Phoenix Division. First, I want to let the Guthrie family know that our hearts are heavy for them. After seeing your message last night, it is clear that you and your family are in pain. Please know that we are doing everything to bring your mother home. The FBI is now working this case jointly with the Pima County Sheriff's Department. And we're going to start today by announcing a $50,000 reward for information leading to the recovery of Nancy Guthrie and or the arrest. and conviction of anyone involved in her disappearance, and this will be the missing persons

with the reward that will be going out. The FBI has agents, analysts, and professional staff employees working day and night with our partners at the Sheriff's Department. We have deployed additional intelligence and agents from our Phoenix office. We have brought in our critical incident response group from Quantico, Virginia,

members from our cellular analysis survey team, are here and they continue to collect and process digital information. We are actively reviewing and analyzing information from all digital sources, which includes banks, social media companies, phone companies, and any other organizations where a digital footprint could have been captured. All this information provides data points and helps put the picture together. And we will be in the community continuing to conduct a third. investigation with our partners. You heard about us out there last night. We will be back out there

today. I would ask the media, give our investigators the space to do their jobs while they're out there. Next, regarding the ransom letter. We are aware of a ransom letter that was sent to the local media and then to national outlets. As with every lead, we are taking it seriously. We are in communication with the family. And while we advise and recommend from a law enforcement perspective, any action taken on any ransom is ultimately decided by the family. Thank you to those in the community that have called in tips. For anyone out there that may have information, no matter how small you think it may be, please report it. You can do so by calling 1-800 call FBI or online at tips.fbi.gov.

My next message is to those impostors who are trying to take advantage and profit from this situation. We will investigate and ensure you are held accountable for your actions. We have made one arrest related to an imposter ransom demand, and a complaint will be presented to a magistrate judge later today. You will get more on that from the FBI and our U.S. Attorney's Office here in Arizona when it becomes available. to anyone that may be involved, do the right thing. This is an 84-year-old grandma. This is an 84-year-old grandma that needs vital medication for her well-being. You still have the time to do the right thing before this becomes a much worse scenario for you.

Please return Nancy home. Thank you. All right, so that was the first portion of the press conference. And now it's about to get to the questions from media, which I think is important to go over some of those questions because I think the way they answer some of those questions gives us some new details. But I did want to say, you know, even as the FBI agent here says, you know, they're bringing in everybody from Quantico, Virginia. They're bringing in their best guys, their forensic analysts as far as cell phones, social media, online. They're trying to figure out, number one, like this ransom letter and the IP addresses and the servers and everything they can possibly track down. Is there a way that we can track down where these emails are coming from, even just a general

location, to see if maybe these people are sending it from Mexico, maybe they're sending it from California or another state because they have to figure this key part out. And I do think that the ransom letters are legit. They would not continue to talk about the ransom letters. They would not continue to even say that, look, you know, we believe that because of what was in the letter, and I think they talk about it in this press conference, what was in letter is something that nobody else would have known unless they were inside of the house. So obviously, you need FBI and federal investigators.

You need their expertise for this particular thing. And especially the Bitcoin. I want to talk about that for a second before we move on with the questions. The Bitcoin. Everybody asks, you know, is it actually anonymous? A lot of people say, well, it's not anonymous. They can track you down. They know exactly, you know, if you demand a ransom from a Bitcoin account, they can absolutely

track you down. That's not necessarily true. This is kind of how it all plays out. With Bitcoin, there really isn't such thing as like a verified account the way there is like a bank or social media. But this kind of normally means when Harvey Levin at TMZ and they said they checked it, I know the FBI obviously has probably checked this account as well to say that yes, you can receive funds in this account. It means the wallet address exists on the blockchain. It is valid and capable of receiving funds and transactions to it can be seen publicly. So that means it has been in an activity before.

why they might not be able to track it yet. So they don't yet know who owns it. The coins haven't been moved in a way that links to an exchange or an identity, and the person hasn't made a mistake that reveals them. The investigation is ongoing and they don't want to reveal details publicly because maybe they're trying to track it. But they also don't want to tip off the suspects, right? These investigations take time.

This is how FBI will find whoever this is, if they do send some type of ransom to this Bitcoin account, The likelihood of these people keeping it in the Bitcoin account is going to be rare. More than likely, when they receive the funds, say a ransom, and maybe the federal government might give them some type of ransom. Maybe they negotiate. Maybe that's part of what they're doing right now. Negotiating a ransom down to where the federal government, if they had to, would pay it

only to try to hope, like I guess in hopes that they will take that Bitcoin and then convert it to cash. because when they convert it to cash in any way, shape, or form, that's where they're going to likely find whoever this is. Bitcoin's going to be hard because I'm telling you, it's not so easy to find who is over an account. It's not necessarily completely anonymous, especially if they did it the right way, which obviously they probably did, because if they were going through Coinbase or Robin Hood

or one of these other platforms, they wouldn't be that dumb. Right. You know, to ask for Bitcoin for ransom and then... For $4 million. Yeah, with an account that's... connected to them. So obviously they have some type of way for their anonymy. And the way the FBI or federal government will be able to track them is when and if they move money from that Bitcoin account into a cash account or a bank account or some other form. So I would think it'd have to be

like a substantial amount of money for them to want to move it out of that account. Well, yeah. I mean, you can't just give them $50,000 when they're asking for $4 million. Yeah. And are they going to come up with that kind of money? But you also have to understand too right now that, you know, crypto in general is down, is crashed over the past two or three weeks. The past two or three weeks, I think right now,

I don't know what the actual... It's like 28 or something or... No, no, no. It's like 68. What is Bitcoin going for now? Because I know it was like 98,000. It was over 100,000 this past year. Right now, Bitcoin is at 69,924.

So, you know, it's a good, you know, 34. $40,000 down. If someone did receive, say, $4 million in Bitcoin and at $69,000 and then that Bitcoin goes up to $100,000, the likelihood of them taking that cash out is going to be slim, especially as crypto right now is crashed, just like silver and gold is crashing right now when it had one of the biggest runs over a short period of time in history. Right. So would they take it out right away?

Probably not. I mean, I think that would be pretty dumb for them to do. and they likely know when they do take this out, it's going to catch them. You know, they're going to get caught. Yeah. And the FBI is going to have some kind of like alarm like when they do transfer it. Yeah. I mean, there are ways that you can absolutely do that.

But all of this also tells me, you know, Bitcoin is borderless, right? You know, cash money, U.S. currency, all this stuff is not. And this is why I think this person or these people are not from the United States. I think that their plan is that if we do receive this ransom, they're never going to take this money out in the United States of America. It's just not going to happen. They're going to figure out some way to take it out in another country. It's going to be less likely that the federal government is able to trace it accurately in another country,

even if it's Mexico, South America, wherever. But if they took it out in America, that is just dumb. It would automatically be tracked and traced. They're going to know. And so I think in this particular, case, it kind of points more towards like these people not being from the United States. Does that mean it's cartel or something? Not necessarily. Because you got to remember, you know, the amount of people that we have in our country right now over the past four years. Well, yes, the border was open.

Yes, there was millions of people. I think over 13 million that crossed our border over four years. No telling who was in this country and who might be responsible for this. Yes, at, you know, when you look at it on the surface, this does sound like like a cartel type kidnapping. You know, this is what they do in Mexico. This is what we talked about last time. But it's not what they just do in Mexico. They do this shit everywhere all around the world. But it was interesting the way that TMZ was explaining the ransom note.

They said it was very correct, very precise English. And I don't necessarily think if somebody was speaking another language in trying to translate into AI that it would sound perfect. They were saying that it didn't sound AI or anything. Yeah. So my question is it was somebody that had pretty perfect English. Yeah, I don't know. Wrote the letter. Yeah, but I mean, AI, you can literally ask AI now, like, you know, make this not sound like AI and it'll sound pretty good, you know, so I don't know.

Either way, I just want to talk about the Bitcoin aspect of it because, you know, if anything, I think that, yes, it is going to be hard and it, and it could be almost impossible to track Bitcoin owners to a certain key holder or whatever the case is. but when they will mess up is when and if they take that Bitcoin out and convert it to cash or in a bank account or whatever that's connected to somebody. And like I said, you also got to remember Bitcoin's right now, is $69,000. It's down right now. So is all crypto. And would you move $4 million if you did receive it from a Bitcoin account right now? Absolutely not. You would wait until this Bitcoin goes back up.

And I just want to ask you a quick question, chat. I did have our friend that was messing with somebody's website one time. and come to find out this somebody was intertwined with the FBI. And when he messed with his account and shut it down, the FBI showed up at his house. Yeah. How is that possible if they cannot trace VPN numbers or IP addresses? The funny story about that particular case was that the server that this particular website, which was a criminal website, keep in mind, that was shut down.

and that server was, I guess someone that was behind that website was part of the FBI, and they were using an FBI server for that platform, which is very interesting. And so when that was shut down, it just so happens to shut down one of the FBI servers, which is what caused all of the craziness, right? So, but the weird thing about it is that it, even with all of that tracking or defense from, you know, who did that, it was still not enough. And the FBI is very smart. Even, you know, 10, 15, 20 years ago, it's extremely hard to hide IP addresses with servers, with encryption, with everything.

So whoever's doing this, if they, the fact that they haven't been caught yet tells me they are more advanced than the average Joe when it comes to the internet and how. They're probably like a hacker or something. Or maybe they're an IT guy or a electrical engineer. engineer. Electrical engineer? No, electrical engineers. That's what they do, is they do all the databases and all that stuff. Oh, yeah, like databases and stuff.

Yeah. I mean, I guess I get that. But yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's just the fact that they haven't found out who this person is with a ransom letter just tells me that they have probably something behind them enough that is hiding them. I mean, more than just like a random dude in a basement somewhere, right? This is a bigger thing. You know, if we have seen anything over the past year or two, think about all of the various hacking attempts, or not even attempts, but successful hacking attacks from Iran, from Russia, from whoever, all these various countries.

China does it all the time to the United States. And we are constantly being hacked. The United States government is constantly being hacked. And, you know, this has always been a problem. But, you know, it makes me think, like, whoever this is knows that level of hacking and sophistication. but only, you know, it's easy to hack, right? It's honestly, you could teach a lot of people how to hack something or a server or whatever. The hardest thing is to teach people how to defend themselves from whoever you're hacking,

knowing who you are, especially if it's government related or the government gets involved because the government's very good at tracking down and tracing who is hacking. It's easier to hack. It's a lot harder to keep yourself anonymous when you're doing it, right? So that's the biggest thing. And whoever these people are, as of now, seem to be doing a pretty, good job of that. And that's what leads me even more to the fact that the ransom letter is real. Because if some random dude is sending this ransom letter through an email just to screw

of people or maybe they're trying to get money, they're not going to avoid detection from the FBI and federal government. Whoever is doing this is very sophisticated. They had this plan for a very long time. This has probably been planned for months. And obviously that's the case because the dude that faked the ransom note and said that he needed, you know, four billion in Bitcoin, they arrested him the next day in California. Yeah, yeah. He said four billion? I don't know what he asked for, but he asked for something, four million, whatever it was. But anyways, they arrested him the very next day.

So they found him right away. So he's not, I guess what I'm saying is whoever is doing this or behind this is not some Joe Smow off the streets. Yeah. All right. So let's go ahead and get into some of the questions in this press conference. because we got to move on to the Harvey Levin video. We also got to move on to see what the latest is because I think there's some new details coming out. And then we'll also play the Guthrie's emotional plea to the captors.

Okay. So the first person we're going to start with the list is going to be NBC National. This price. Right here. Can you walk us through that timeline from when you believe, if you look at this here, from 147 to 228, what you think happened there and what particular software would detected somebody on camera? I don't, I know we know the software that was there, but I'm not, sorry, I'm just not in the weeds.

I know that, think of your doorbell cameras. Somebody walks up, mine, my wife's, if I walk up, she gets an alert, and it's usually something like that, a person's detected. So to understand the fault of one, does that mean that it was about a 45-minute, span that the suspect or suspects would have been on the property and then also does this essentially mean that you've cooperated with the tech companies and you can officially say that no surveillance video is available from the home we know that the the tech company that we sent that camera off to yes they've said they've they've they've run out of ways to recover any video

next person hey next person's going to be ABC news Aaron Kutertzky yeah I'm sorry was what 45 minutes it's about 40 you say it's about a four years five-minute span that somebody would have been on the property then from 147 to 228? Yeah, I think those times speak for themselves, and it is about, like I say, those are approximates. So, yes. I'm sorry, who was next? Did you say? Hi, Sheriff.

Thanks very much. Is there information that you are purposefully withholding because of the act of investigation that might be leading? You know, this is no different than any criminal investigation that we conduct here. law enforcement has conducted investigations since 1865 here in Pima County. We're always mindful of what it is. It's in front of us and what we should release and can release. There's legal guidelines that guide us, but there's also strategy too.

So, you know, I'll lead that for you to determine. now that you are having such an injection of manpower from the Pima critical incident team and the FDA, we can slow to bring that in at the outset should all of these resources been brought to bear sooner? I guess that, you know, it's Monday morning quarterbacking. I do it all the time, so you have the opportunity to do it for me. I'll take that hit. CBS News, Jonathan Viliotti. Sheriff over here.

Has there been any proof? of life and has there been any sign of life? I'm going to do anything to deal with the ransom notes and that I would defer to the FBI, but no, to my knowledge, we're still looking for Nancy. And for my follow question, if I can speak with this special agent, what was it about this apparent ransom note that now three days on you first haven't been able to validate? And second, it warranted informing the dothries of his existence. So the ransom note that was sent out there, obviously every lead in this case, we are taking extremely serious.

But not everyone is presented to the family. Why this one? Because this was the ransom that came in and it had facts associated with a deadline, with a monetary value they were asking for. So at that point... What were some of those facts, if you can, because there's been a lot of speculation, as you know, if you could set the record straight? Yeah, the ransom itself, one talked about an Apple Watch and one talked about a floodlight. We're not going to go into specifics. It's very important that we keep this investigation moving forward, and we don't want to put more facts out there that others then can use to try to profit from this. So he is saying here that the floodlight, whatever the deal was with that, I'm assuming broken.

And Ashley Banfield talked about the floodlight and the Apple Watch. And there's a lot of people that are going against her right now saying that she was speculating. but she said that she had inside sources saying this happened. Yeah, so the fact that he's saying, you know, the Apple Watch, the floodlight, that obviously shows whoever sent the ransom letter was at this house. I mean, you don't just randomly guess this stuff. And I'm not even 100% sure what the deal was with the floodlight. I'm whether it was broken or taken out, whatever.

And I'm assuming that would have happened prior to them even entering the home, which is why earlier when they say, you know, look, we have a. detection of a person is what they said at first. And then someone had said, you know, maybe it could have been a, an animal. But he said specifically a person was detected at this time. I doubt it would randomly be an animal right around the exact same time that she was taken. That would just be too random, too coincidental. So what it tells me is they, they destroyed damage or take or took out the floodlight right

before all of this took place. I'm sure they mentioned that in the ransom letter alongside the Apple Watch. That's just not coincidental. Obviously, whoever sent this ransom note is the people that took Nancy. Next, Ed Lavamnara. I want to follow up with you real quick on that. There have been, as far as we know, I think three ransom notes so far, one arrest. Are they all different?

You think there's different authors behind all of them? Or? So the one that went to the media is the one we were currently investigating and working. on. The imposter that I talked about were an arrest was made early this morning that there would be more information. We believe there's no evidence to connect this to Nancy's case. It was someone that was trying to profit from it, a total imposter. And Sheriff, you started off the press conference by saying we believe, you believe that Nancy is still out there. Do you have reason to believe that she's still out there alive,

or are you fearful of the worst case scenario here that she won't be about alive? Well, I'm certainly fearful of that. I think we all are. But it is, it is, we operate from a position that until we know she's out there, she's alive, and we're going to continue thinking that way until we find her. Fox Digital, Mike Lewis. Yeah, sir, Michael wrote from Fox Digital. Sheriff, you said you've identified no suspects.

Have you ruled out anyone she was with on Saturday night? You know, we've talked to so many. I'm sure that my investigators have feelings about this one's clear or this one isn't. But no, I wouldn't say anybody's ruled out yet, because what if I rule you out and then later I learned something else? No. So, my follow-up, you mentioned that you don't know where the reporting of a forced entry came from. Do we know how whoever did this got into her house? That I would not discuss with you anyway. Fox News, Paul Moro.

Question for Asian Edwards, if I may. Agent Edwards, will Bureau be submitting the DNA for investigative genealogical investigation relative to me? And by the way, Banfield is the one that said the back door. So whoever her inside sources says that's how they came in the house. But don't you think it's interesting his questions and his follow-up questions? First of all, who was she with? And you said there was not forced entry. Yeah.

Yeah. And he even goes to say, and we didn't bring this up earlier, but he's almost saying there wasn't force entry there wasn't that's what he's saying yeah but he did say i'm not confirming nor denying force entry but i don't know where people are getting that from because we have not said that or publicly stated it so i don't know was there fourth century was there not and that would matter unless she leaves her doors unlocked right i mean if she left her door unlocked then that would you know that would be pretty obvious she's out in the kind of middle of nowhere right and it's not a high crime area maybe she does leave her door open i think the two

scenarios is either the perp came in through the garage and when she was going in the garage they didn't notice the perp or that that door was left open the way they found it. Yeah, but are you talking about when she came home? Yeah. Because that was like hours and hours earlier. Yeah. I mean, it's possible, but doubtful, I would think, unless they had her in here the entire time. But you would think if they had her in the house from the time that she arrived back home,

meaning like whoever took her home is the one that went in with her. Yeah. And I think that's where that questioning was coming from. Who was the last person that saw her? Who took her home? But, you know, you would also think that you would see a spike. Do we know what time the spike was?

It was like 2 a.m. Yeah, it's not reported in any of this. But through research, I have found it was around the 2 p.m. mark that it was spiked. Yeah, so 2 a.m., her heart spikes on the pacemaker. And so, you know, obviously that's when she, was alerted or, you know, felt fear for her life, probably awakened at 2 o'clock in the morning. And then 12 minutes later, her device goes offline. Yeah, I just doubt, like, even if it was the, you know, brother-in-law or the sister going in at

nine something at night and wait until 2 a.m. or something, you know, that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I don't think they entered through the garage. I think it was obviously the back door, as Banfield says. And I think there was someone said somewhere that the back door was open. Wide open. Yeah, it was wide open. open and then obviously she was taken out the front door.

So it sounds like the back door is where the people actually came through. Right. Right. I would say the DNA aspect of this case is being handled by the Pima County Sheriff's Department right now. However, should we get to that point? Yes, that would be an option for the FBI to assist. A quick follow up.

There's the ransom note that you're working to establish any communication protocols. No, it does not. and that is what I think is important that if someone has Nancy and is demanding the ransom, that there is communication with the family. We talked about there has been no proof of life, and there was no other demands within that letter. So they're still waiting for communication. All right. So I'm going to stop the questions there because, I mean, you know, they answered a bunch of stuff that I think that we were kind of wondering about.

Like the no proof of life thing too is weird because we've heard, you know, inside sources say that there was proof of life or because they literally mention it on multiple news sources to where they had potentially heard a voice of Nancy Guthrie. They said, you know, we can't be positive of that because, you know, with AI today and the way that AI works, you know, we just don't know for sure 100% if it is proof of life. Department or somebody that said that. No, that was Savannah during her plea to get her mother back. Obviously, they had something. And they're not releasing that necessarily and saying it. But the way they've said things towards the AI stuff makes me believe that they have some type of proof of life. Right.

Or some type of something that points towards they have, Nancy, whether it's audio or video. All right. So now we will go ahead and get to the Guthrie family's plea to whoever has their mother. On behalf of our family. We want to thank all of you for the prayers for our beloved mom, Nancy. We feel them and we continue to believe that she feels them too. Our mom is a kind, faithful, loyal, fiercely loving woman of goodness and light. She is funny, spunky and clever.

She has grandchildren that adore her and crowd around her and cover her with kisses. She loves fun and adventure. She is a devoted friend. She is full of kindness and knowledge. Talk to her and you'll see. The light is missing from our lives. Nancy is our mother.

We are her children. She is our beacon. She holds fast to joy in all of life's circumstances. She chooses joy day after day, despite having already passed through great trials of pain and grief. We are always going to be merely human, just normal human people who need our mom. Mama, if you're listening, We need you to come home. We miss you.

Her mom is our heart and our home. She is 84 years old. Her health, her heart is fragile. She lives in constant pain. She is without any medicine. She needs it to survive. She needs it not to suffer. We too have heard the reports

about a ransom letter in the media. As a family, we are doing everything that we can. We are ready to talk. However, we live in a world where voices and images are easily manipulated. We need to know, without a doubt, that she is alive and that you have her. We want to hear from you, and we are ready to listen. Please reach out to us. Mommy, if you are hearing this, you are a strong woman.

You are God's precious daughter, Nancy. We believe and know that even in this valley, he is with you. Everyone is looking for you, Mommy, everywhere. We will not rest. Your children will not rest until we are, together again. We speak to you every moment and we pray without ceasing and we rejoice in advance for the day that we hold you in our arms again.

We love you, Mom. We love you, Mom. Stay strong. We love you. All right, there you go. That was the plea from the Guthrie family. Savannah is the one that starts the video. And then the second girl you hear is Annie Guthrie, which is the sister.

That is the sister lives near Nancy with the husband that some people have said potentially are suspects or persons of interest. Although the Sheriff's Department FBI have continually said they are not persons of interest. Or at least they do not have a person of interest right now. They do not have any suspects at the moment and they are not ruling anyone out. You know, she also says we live in a world where images and voices are easily manipulated. But then she says, but we are ready to talk. We need definitive proof that she is alive. We need unequivocal proof that our mother is still alive.

What that tells me is that in this ransom letter or somehow or some way of communication, they have received either images of their mother. Right. Our voices or something. And voices. Yes. And I think both because it sounds like there was a voice and there was images. And it sounds like what. they're saying here is we are ready to talk.

We do acknowledge the receipt of the images or voice memo or message or whatever the case is. But things are easily manipulated with the eye. And I do think, and I was saying this earlier, and I wanted to clear that up, I know the Sheriff's Department of FBI has also mentioned that in either a press conference or somewhere, maybe on a news source. So it sounds like they did send something for proof of life, although they said, well, we don't have any proof of life right now. and so it could be AI that they're sending to try to get something, you know, try to get a ransom.

I don't know. I mean, they need real proof that is that they know is not AI, something that their mother knows that only they know. Yeah. Or something to that fact. Yeah. They need something that is real and that only they would know in their mother knows. And maybe that's, you know, some of the suggested language in this video. Because if you listen to them, everything is very precise, the way they say.

say it, you know, the FBI also told them, or told the audience that they were helping them, but they don't tell them what to do. It's ultimately on the family. Yeah. And Michael Ruiz is actually reporting right now. Part of the reason agents are back at Nancy Guthrie's home right now is because the search warrant has been amended for a third time, according to law enforcement source. But we do not know why that search warrant has been amended as we speak.

We also have a quote, a Circle K spokesperson told NBC news that law enforcement visited one of their stores on Oracle Road in Tucson after receiving a tip regarding a vehicle of interest and our team has provided them access to the store's surveillance video. So that is also brand new as we speak. You know, the other thing too is even if the Guthrie family pays this ransom, that does not obviously guarantee their mother is alive. at this point, regardless of whether their mother has died or she was dead from the night that they took her, doesn't really matter. Now, what the Guthrie family is going to have to decide right now is whether or not it is worth paying that ransom, knowing that number one, you're never getting the money bag. Number two is that doesn't also guarantee that you're going to get your mother back alive. You know, she may already be dead and they're going to continue this ransom.

I mean, the likelihood of her being dead, I mean, sorry, her being alive and then being released to come back and give details or clues about who took her is just very, very slim. Well, and it's just interesting to me in the first ransom note, they said, we will take her back to her home outside of Tucson. It was sounding like they were outside of Tucson. And I think you should play the TMZ video when they describe that because that's just crazy. any kidnapper is not going to return the person that they kidnapped to their home. Yeah. Now, I also want to talk. They said the new note did not have any new ransom demands or provide a way for the Guthrie family to communicate with the sender, according to K-O-L-D news director.

The new note also did not offer any proof of life. So we don't know if that is from the same people. But what we do know is that they at least tried to prove that it was from the same people, not necessarily. not even tried to prove, but we believe that they use the same encryption or server or hiding technique or method the same way that the first ransom letter was sent. So that's all we know as far as that new letter. Now, I want to get to the TMZ report from Harvey Levin, where he talks about the key details that could be critical for investigators in this.

And I thought this was pretty interesting. So let's play this now. I looked at this alleged ransom note 20 times last night. And there is something that piqued my interest from the beginning. And I believe now that there is a way of connecting the dots and that law enforcement has an area that they are most interested in in terms of where Nancy might be if this letter is legit. And I say it for this reason, that obviously the person who took Nancy,

if this is the person who wrote the person who wrote, this ransom letter, they're demanding money. And if they get the money, they're saying they will return her. That's obvious, right? Well, in the letter, it says they would return her back to Tucson. So they also give a time frame of how long it would take after they received the money to return her to Tucson. So there's a time frame. Now, if you look at the time frame, then you say, well, you can draw a circle around Tucson to see how long maximum it would take to get her back there. And they're not going to fly her back because the last thing they're going to do is go to an airport where Nancy Guthrie shows ID that's not going to happen. So clearly it would be driving.

And they're not going to drive it 100 miles an hour because if they get stopped for speeding, it's over. So they're going to go around the speed limit. So let's say that if this letter is legit, they would travel at about 60 miles an hour. So based on this time frame in the letter and the fact that she would be returned back to Tucson, here's the way it looks. If you look, this is Tucson right here. If you look at this red circle, that is the radius of the maximum amount of time it would take to get her back to Tucson all around this circle. It incorporates California, Nevada, Utah,

Idaho. It incorporates Colorado, Wyoming, even Mexico, Texas, a slice of Kansas, and a slice of Oklahoma. Now, that's a big area for sure. But it is not the full United States. It's not the world, at least it's a defined area. And again, if the letter is legitimate, then it would seem based on the amount of time maximum it would take to bring her back to Tucson. It's this area that I would think authorities are most interested in. And remember, they are looking for anybody who possibly has information on the whereabouts of Nancy Guthrie. So there's a a $50,000 reward for information leading to her return. So I would think that this area is particularly interesting to them. I want to say a couple of other things. The letter, you know, people have

been asking, does it seem like it's written by just a crazy person? And the answer is no. This letter was very well constructed. It had structure. It had a beginning, middle, and end. It was well done. I mean, if you took this letter to an English teacher and said, give me notes on structure, on grammar, you probably would get no notes back. It's done by somebody, I believe, who is educated and really spent time. This was not something that took five minutes to write. This was a well-constructed letter. Final thing I want to say, and now this is opinion.

that it is interesting to me that we got this ransom letter, but also the other two media outlets that got the ransom letters, were both located in Tucson. They were television stations in Tucson. So why would somebody who wrote a letter like this know about the local stations and send to the local stations if they have no connection to Tucson? It feels like there is a connection to Tucson with the person who wrote this letter. And, you know, a lot of people are saying, well, it happened because Savannah Guthrie is rich and famous, which she is. But is it that somebody looked at Savannah Guthrie and said, let's find a relative? Or is it somebody who lives in the Tucson area and knows, either knows Nancy Guthrie or knows, of her and knows her famous daughter is Savannah Guthrie, and it hatches from that. It seems to me just based on where the letter went, that it's the latter.

So the bottom line here, I know that the law enforcement has been saying they are desperate for clues, and they clearly are. But just in terms of the people who might help, I think heads up in this area. All right, there you go. And, you know, he makes some decent points there, you know, how long it would take for them to drive her back to Tucson. And this is in this radius that covers California and Utah and Nevada and parts of Mexico. Colorado. Yeah.

I mean. But, Chad, if you are a kidnapper, would you take a chance of driving her back? Or would you just leave her where she is or take her to a place like close to where you are? No, I don't think that you drive her back anywhere. I mean, if you're going to release her, you're going to release her somewhere. Give her a phone or what or not not give her a phone, but just release her. She's going to find her way to help and then they're going to call the police. They're not going to send her or bring her back to Tucson.

They're not going to spend two or three hours of driving to take her back to where they took her. Now, wherever she's at, she's been the entire time. Whether she's dead or alive, they are not moving. And so they took her somewhere. That's where she is. They're not going to be moving her. That would be dumb on their part. It would risk them being caught.

I just don't think that's going to happen. But the other thing is, you know, if this letter was so well constructed, right? And the fact that also keeping in mind that they have some way of hiding who they are, not only with the Bitcoin side, but also the ransom letter and the FBI and investigators so far not being able to find a trace back to that original letter or that original email. It shows they're smart. And so they could even be as smart to the fact that, you know, just as Harvey. here is trying to come up with like opinions or theories on the fact that they only sent this letter to TMZ and then two local Tucson news stations. That might be like reverse psychology.

Yeah, because anyone can find local like news agencies on Google. Yeah. That doesn't matter. But the reason why they may have done this though is to make people think that they are local to Tucson. And so where they're going to, you know, the law enforcement is going to divulge their attention on that area while they're completely. in a different state or somewhere else.

Yeah. I mean, obviously they've thought this through and they've probably thought this through for quite some time. And so it's mind blowing. This case is insane. And I'm just not sure what's going to what's going to come of this. I don't know. I mean, will she be found alive or dead is not looking good, but also keeping in mind, you know, we don't know what kind of medication 100% she was on.

We know that she was on some type of heart medication. And what it sounds like is that she was on something. type of blood pressure medication. And so even if you go without blood pressure medication for five, six, seven, eight days, even if you're 84 years old, that doesn't mean you're automatically going to die. Right. I'm right there with her. I have not been on mine and mine's out the roof right now.

So I'm there. But it's not just the medication. I don't think, I think they're doing that to plea to the kidnappers. Like, listen, she could die. But I don't think she'll necessarily die in 24 to 48 hours depending on her medicine. It depends on what it is. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure they're using that as a way to just desperately please say, you know,

please bring our mother home. They're trying to put the pressure on whoever these people are so that instead of just a kidnapping, that it's not also a kidnapping and murder in this case. But, you know, it doesn't really matter. In this case, whoever they find that is responsible for this will likely be going to jail for life or get the death penalty. Do you think they'll find the person that did this or the people that are behind this? Yeah, I think they will.

I mean, I think they will. The only reason I'm saying this is because, you know, in 2026, it's just so hard to get away with crimes. It's so hard to get away with kidnappings. And especially when you are not only given your Bitcoin address, but you're also sending emails to news stations to where the federal government can trace this stuff back. And just because you may think that you are so good at what you do. And so far, you've been pretty good.

But we also don't know how close. close the FBI and the federal government are at getting to the source of this letter or this ransom note. You know, it's just like in Idaho 4, you know, we didn't know anything for months, right? But they knew a lot of stuff before they even told us. Yeah. And I mean, they were gathering information the entire time. And investigations take time.

I mean, it's not overnight. And so I would assume the FBI doesn't know nothing. I'm sure they know something. I'm sure they're tracing down things that they feel pretty confident they're going to get to a conclusion. I don't think that they're going to, that this case is going to go unsolved. That would blow my mind if it did go unsolved,

especially with an email, a Bitcoin address, ransom letters, the public attention that is on this. I mean, this is everywhere. And, and,

you know, especially if whoever the, the people are that took her, you know, you would almost have to damn near have no life at all for people not to somehow connect you or, or maybe you're acting differently or whatever. Right.

I mean, it's not just the FBI and all those people that will find you. It is the people around you that will tip off the FBI. And those little tips can lead to an arrest in this case. And that is one tip we've not talked about tonight that I just want to bring up real quick. Is a week or maybe even two weeks prior to this kidnapping, there were neighbors that saw a suspicious white, full-size van. It didn't have any signs on the outside of. of it was just a white van.

And how many times have you seen criminals using white vans for some reason? Yeah, like a Chevrolet. Yeah, it was a white van that the neighbors did not recognize. And I think Brian Inton actually interviewed one of the neighbors and she took pictures of the van and everything. Yeah. Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see, you know, if they do catch the perpetrators of, you know, this crime or this kidnapping, whatever. We don't know. Hopefully she's still alive.

We don't know. but we're going to wait to find out. But guys, it is Friday night. We're going to try to salvage some of our night and do something tonight. It's like, what time is it like 8.39 o'clock? And there is some new evidence coming in as we speak. So just keep your eyes on the internet. As things continue to develop, we will definitely keep you guys in the loop.

But that's going to be it for this episode, guys. Until next time, we love you. Peace out. Peace out.