Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Tesla Cybertruck Explosion | Shawn Ryan Show Bombshell with Ashton Forbes

Episode Date: January 6, 2025

In this episode, we welcome Ashton Forbes to delve into two explosive topics: the Tesla Cybertruck explosion in Las Vegas and Matthew Livelsberger's controversial manifesto. Livelsberger claims to expose the New Jersey drones as Chinese gravitic drones powered by groundbreaking gravity manipulation technology. He also warns that these advancements could push us to the brink of a global conflict fueled by cutting-edge weaponry and technological warfare.

So sick. So sick. I'm tired of and people are the things that matter. But I never could have thought the dagger in my back it was you. Hello and welcome to Investigator Earth Podcast. I'm your host, Chad, alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry, on tonight's episode. This is kind of like a part two of all of the craziness that's been going on with the Tesla

cyber truck explosion in Las Vegas, where Matthew. you Livelsberger, which is a current or was a current green beret based out of Fort Bragg allegedly blew himself up. And in the process of this, the Sean Ryan show came out and said that they had received an email, a whistleblower email, right? And when this happened, obviously the internet went wild. Now, one of the people, obviously, when we saw this email where, by the way, guys, if you guys have not listened to our first episode on this, please go back can listen to that episode. But part of his, I guess what a lot of people are calling manifesto, right, that he's sent to

Sam Shumate when he went on the Sean Ryan show said that, hey, guys, the drones you're seeing over New Jersey and over much of the United States is China. And we also have this technology. And it is a gravitical, basically propulsion system. So it's some type of gravity manipulated propulsion system. So obviously during this time, and on our first episode about this. I said, look, I think this, if anything, vindicates a lot of what Ashton Forbes has been

talking about. And so we had to bring Ashton Forbes on this show. Obviously, Ashton's blew up. He actually had a live stream the night that the Sean Ryan episode came out. And it was pretty mind-blowing. And so I wanted to bring Ashton Forbes on. Ashton, welcome back to the freaking show. I know it's been a crazy few days for you, but I am pretty, I'm pretty.

proud, I guess, at a fact of how long we've known you, how long we've been talking about this. And then when we saw this part of the email, we were blown away. What was your original initial thoughts? As soon as this came out, did it kind of just blow your mind? Yeah, we're definitely besties for sure now at this point. But no, I like me and like the go-to, weird orb specialists and sometimes physicists to discuss interesting topics like this. Yeah, the letter, I think, was right away, I knew there was something kind of amazing about it because it seemed that there was a chain of custody on where this had come from. And it wasn't until after I posted it because I read through it and I went, okay, this is like, hmm, interesting scenario here that I realized it was tied to the cyber truck guy. And that's why I went, wow, okay, now this is really interesting because presumably this was sent before that happened.

like someone couldn't really hoax this like there's a clear story here that leads up that connects to that incident um and the big thing today i think was or yesterday probably uh that sam uh shoemate he did an interview and he revealed some more information um which didn't really clarify a lot one is that definitely the messages he was getting were from matt or somebody who had his device because there was a safety number change on the 29th right before he got those messages. And his family got that safety number change and they had all these screenshots that they gave them.

And he noticed that was the same as the one the mat he was talking to. Yeah. So that had to be the guy, that had be him or somebody with his devices. And then the other side of it is, okay, well, it also, there's, Sam claimed that he had he talked to some people and like he had changed his prescriptions to like antipsychotic prescriptions or something like that, which is presenting this narrative of, okay, maybe he like just like lost a will live due to some medications that he was taking, not like, you know, taking it well or something like that. And that might be supported by what the FBI released with no real source just like here, some image.

is that were like, oh, you know, like everything sucks, blah, blah, blah, you know, a rally around Trump. Yeah. And Ian Carroll pointed out that they were like, you know, pretty unhinged. And I'd say, yeah, definitely. So, and then there's like that, you know, the fringe conspiracy angle, which is like, you know, they were taking this, they took this guy out. They were chasing him.

That's what, you know, his email. presents that scenario or the correspondence does that, you know, somebody's chasing him, you know, he's got this inside information to acknowledge special access programs. He wants to do an interview with, you know, Sean Ryan or somebody else, but it makes sense why he'd pick Sean Ryan because it turns out he has all these credentials. He actually is like Green Beret. He's special operations. he's experienced with like hyperspectal cameras surveillance he also it sounds like the scenario is

that he just switched over to this new drone operation role a couple months ago and if that's true then I don't know that's that's interesting but I guess for me it's like you know did he really have inside information and if so Is there any way right now to figure out to what to verify that? Because, yeah, if so, like, that's, that's a whistleblower. Somebody who's just, you know, they want the world to know what kind of stuff we've got going on behind the scenes. And they've got NDAs and clearances that would, you know, send them to prison if they, you know, were to talk about some of that stuff openly and publicly. Yeah.

And well, I mean, and so here's here's my thing as well. So you've got a couple different scenarios, right? I remember the night after we released our episode, the Sean Ryan episode came out, you did your big live stream. I woke up the next morning, went on X. And it seemed like every single post that I was seeing from my feed was anti-Sam Shoemate post. It was anti-Shon Ryan post. It was everyone trying to discredit what either Sean Ryan or Sam Shoemate were saying.

They said because there were spell check errors or spell check little squiggly lines under the email. Then there's no way this is a real email. This is all typed up. This is all fabricated. Then a lot of people were saying, look, you know, Sean Ryan is intelligence. You know, he's still, once you're intelligence, you're always intelligence. Said the same thing also about Sam Shoemate. Now, the question I guess I have is, number one, what is your thoughts just on the validity of the claims of Shumate and Sean.

Ryan, do you trust them to the point where they would not be a part of some type of siop in some way with the government, especially even just in terms of the drone situation? Let's just start with that. That's a great question. First of all, I'll say that everybody just takes it too far. They're hitting on 19 in this case. There's these letters that are out there. we connected, like impossibly somehow is connected to this cyber truck explosion.

There's a lot we can learn and we can look into this to try to uncover this person's motives and verify their background because they're in this close-knit community of like elite operatives that it goes beyond just at, you know, being veterans. Like they have, they get like very aware of. each other and tight. And the other side of it is that, you know, the stuff that he's saying about that kind of technology, like is connected to what I've been researching on like the plasma drones and the

abilities that, you know, are out there behind the scenes that the public doesn't really know about. Yeah. not everybody can like absorb that information and the truth is like it can make people like you know lose their minds to be honest with you and I'm not saying that's what happened here but I want people understand that you know if somebody is already necessarily unstable or something like that and they get exposed to some of this information it's hard to absorb and compartmentalize. So I hope that people get the best help they can get from a mental health awareness standpoint.

Yeah, for sure. And I heard that Sean Ryan was doing an X-Space tonight as well. Yeah. This is probably going to get posted after that. But I recommend people check that out to get answers because the people that are saying, like, oh, this is all fake. You know, they're looking through the minutia of each detail that's out there in the letter. But we've already confirmed that it's boiled down now to, you know, this is something with

someone who had his device. So it's either him and his question of why is he putting in, you know, vague or incorrect details in his letter or why is he saying this stuff about, you know, the UFOs of being like Chinese drones. Or it's like why was somebody else, you know, coming up with that story, but how would they have to be able to come up with it? Because we've already now connected it to this other event

that happened with this explosion, you know? So, yeah. End of the day, we need to be not debunking it. I think that Sean Ryan and those guys, they, I don't get any, you know, aura of deceit from them in terms of like pushing us. CIA op either. Yeah.

So on one side, I'd give the debunker side and the other side, you have the side of, um, the people that are kind of going, you know, is this something the government's pushing on us? But to what end? Like, what's the, what's the narrative that they're trying to push, you know, on this? That doesn't really seem, it seems like they're trying to say he's just crazy. He went crazy. So.

And Ian Carroll, by the way, in a lot of his recent videos, kind of what Ian Carroll was pushing. And by the way, Joe Rogan retweeted this or re-xed it, repost it, whatever you want to freaking call it now. But Joe Rogan reposted Ian Carroll's video. And Ian Carroll's video was basically saying that, hey, you know, we think that, or Ian Carroll believes, you know, is this some type of massive sciop from the government? This is they want you to believe what we're trying to believe right now because they know that used to, they used to be able to use mainstream media in their siops because it was much

easier. They controlled the media. And nowadays, no one trusts the media anymore. So if you are a very smart intelligence or three-letter agency and you know the best way to get the story that you want to be told out is by doing so through social media, especially platforms like X. That seems to be the avenue that Ian Carroll's going to where it's like he's saying this whole thing, especially with the drone stuff. And what Matthew Littlesberger said, in the first paragraph of this email where he talks about these gravitational propulsion systems on these drones that China and the United States has. And what Ian Carroll is basically saying in this video is,

just beware that if we start pushing for a war with China, you know, this is likely potentially a sciop from the deep state or from a military industrial complex that wants us to get into war with China. is that a possibility? I mean, is that something that you see is some big sciop that we're experiencing right now? Is that even a possibility to you, especially based on what Ian Carroll's saying,

is like, if you start seeing this big push for a war with China based on the first part of his email, everyone believes that, hey, the drones now are Chinese drones. Is that something you even see as a possibility? I'm assuming you probably saw Ian's video. So, yeah. So, yeah, I mean, is it possible to siop to get us in a war with China? Well, let me look at, let me tell you like this.

This kind of technology is millions of times more powerful than the atomic bomb. So we're talking about type of situation where it's not like a war anymore. Now it's just like mutually assured destruction, like the real kind, not just like shooting thousands of missiles with nukes on them, but the kind where like, you know, we just boom, there goes like part of the planet or, you know, we just completely take the planet out. And that reality is one that is well beyond what I think a lot of people are ready to accept. So, no, we have to come together instead of going to war. Absolutely.

And there are some other aspects about this case that I just want to bring up. They're really important for people to understand here, especially if we can get past this idea of, you know, the emails have been fake by a hoax or whatever people want to believe. that's out there. It's odd to me that there are a bunch of people trying to downplay this in these letters and how just, I mean, the fact that it got connected to the cyber truck

is huge because it goes to show, like this, maybe this is related to the motive of why he did the thing that he did. And he was in Vegas. People haven't been to Vegas. There's a lot of people around. Yeah. He could have taken out way, way, way,

way more people with that explosion, just that explosion. You could have ran people over or whatever. Like he could have taken out a lot more people if you wanted to. So this also speaks highly to what his motivations potentially would have been, especially relative to anything we might read that we have confirmation came from him. And it doesn't mean that everything he's saying is true. But, you know, it puts the evidence in context for us. if they were tracking him

they wouldn't let him go if he had a bomb on him this was something I heard from the ex-space I was in and I thought it was intelligent in terms of if the FBI knows he has a bomb with him I don't think they're going to let him drive up to Trump Tower or conspiracy-minded people are they are they you know there's also this narrative too

of like maybe this is a sci-op because they don't want Trump to be in there. I mean, it depends. This is also important. Like, it depends on the context of, I think the fact that he took a cyber truck and it happened at Trump Tower, no matter how you look at it, seems relevant. This seems relevant. But it's just crazy in the letter that he was talking about all this technology that

you've been talking about for the last two years. How does what he was saying in this letter relate to what your research is? on MH 370. Isn't it the same? Because I'm going to tell you, Ashton, I did not believe we had this technology at all until we met you. And, you know, it took me time to kind of absorb it and realize like, yeah, we could probably maybe have this stuff. And, you know, Ashton's really smart and he's really been researching this stuff. And it's just crazy that he had the same stuff in the letter that you've been researching.

Yeah, like, how close do you think when he talks about gravitical propulsion system? how does that relate to a lot of your zero point energy stuff then when you guys laid out there like that just makes you laugh because it is true it was so weird just watching it like everybody's pinging me and I'm going like this is bizarre because it's I hadn't got that feeling since I got that weird letter to me where I think even a lot of the haters are like he must have sent it to himself because it's just it's so it's so specific in there

and and just direct like yeah in terms of like just a message. So yeah, I think that it's especially bizarre in terms of the properties of the drones. As I've been researching, you know, these orbs of energy, these plasma orbs, like they must have some directional system. And in the MH370 videos, there's this like cold line in front of them, which I would assume to be some kind of negative energy type, laser that they can produce. And Eric Davis did an interview with Dave Rossi

and he was asked about it and I expected him to say like oh no, there's no way to make negative energy. But no, he's like, okay, here's like two different ways you could do it with like a laser with a spinning mirror and the difficulty is in terms of how do you speed the mirror up fast enough.

And then the other way it was like with this rotating cylindrical ball and like how you can spin this ball and it might be able to amplify a negative energy. It's like basically they are to have a way of like separating the positive and the negative energy aspect of a laser. Yeah. It's pretty interesting and I think it's legit. And so if that, if he's willing to talk about that, just like publicly, then, you know, what do you think that they have behind the scenes?

like they probably already cracked that and they might do something like that. Yeah. Because how would he even know about this stuff if he wasn't into it or something? Because not a lot of people know about this unless they're like on X and they follow people like you. People don't know about this stuff. Yeah. Maybe he was your follower or new.

I mean, you know, I'd actually ask, Ashton right before the show, I said, you know, have you looked at your followers or just kind of researched people that follow you? because, you know, we really have not, except for until you started coming forward with MH370 and these orbs that encircled the MH370 aircraft that then zapped it according to these videos, right? And then obviously you had a hellstorm come against you with a massive debunking attempt to try to discredit those videos.

And by the way, those videos came out when in 2014, correct? I think it was 2014. Videos come out then and even to this day with as long as you've been doing this now for over a year, no one has come forward with a video or anything close to as good or as real

as the MH370 videos look with the orbs and how it encircles the aircraft and then how it disappears the airplane and then you have this freaking dude talking about these gravitational propulsion systems that China has And we also have, and then you think back to the MH370 case, the fact that there were what Chinese semiconductor scientist on board this aircraft.

Now, you start connecting all this stuff and it's like, well, either he's a follower of Ashton and he's going to put this first paragraph in his freaking email right before he dies. Or what Ashton has been talking about in researching possibly is true. Right. But what was interesting to Ashton is he said a lot of these things. were stealth. Can you tell me anything about these orbs being stealth? Because a lot of times, you know, we see these,

and I'm talking about the glowing orbs, the ones that you particularly talk about, not the drones. So the other fun, the, okay, it's not necessarily funny as much as it is dangerous, but, you know, just to light in the mood, sometimes I speak about in humorous ways. But the physics at play is essentially just

manipulating space time like a bubble, but with just lasers. and ionizing and ripping the electrons off the molecules in the atmosphere of hydrogen, and then figuring out how to stabilize that, because just that process in general will can create a bubble in space time. And they figure out how to stabilize that process. I don't know if they figured out from whatever aliens or ancient civilizations or what have you, but it's extremely powerful because it also appears to be the secret to pulling electrical energy straight out of the vacuum.

Or what some people would think of as like a form of cold fusion that it can do. But just its natural properties of doing that also manipulate space time. And ashton, by the way, while you're saying that, I got to ask a question. How is gravity different than what you're talking about right now? because, I mean, obviously, gravity is a theory still technically, right? So is the world more so based on the, you know, electromagnetic frequencies and waves of the Earth rather than gravity? Like, does that make sense? I mean, if you were going to have a propulsion system, would you bank on it being gravitational or gravitical?

Or, and how different is that than, say, what you're talking about right now? So the ether, the zero point energy, the all of that. How different is that from gravity? You know, even going back to what Bob Lazar said, Bob Lazar's thought on what he saw at ARIAS4 was these craft had to have created some type of gravity wave around it to be able to manipulate gravity around itself. How different is that than what you talk about with the zero point energy stuff? It's pretty similar.

Pretty similar. I think that everybody has their own view of it. But if there's a medium, then you can manipulate the medium. So if there is a zero point energy, this ether around us, it's all around us everywhere, all space time, all, just quantum fluctuations, just little jittery, all over the place. And if you can manipulate and you can tap that, then you can ride the wave, ride a gravity wave. That's what Miguel Alcoberry's warp drive in 1994, that's what his paper shows. It says that even with Einstein's equations, we can mathematically do this.

Yeah. And, you know, Einstein's mathematical general relativity equations are great, you know. And so with the medium, then we basically, what now it happens is we have this C of energy that we're in. And if we want to do what Miguel Al-Cabry do is we need negative energy. Well, we need to pull energy out of this equilibrium of C of energy that we're in. And if we want positive energy, then we would add energy. And we see that. We see positive energy, like energy because that positive energy is,

positive mass mass is energy just condensed energy so when we see a lot of gravity and we see a lot of mass so everybody's been saying that well this negative energy is this exotic substance can't can't know what negative energy is um but then when you read the dirds the defense intelligence reference documents highly recommend checking those out especially the one about warp drives and the other one about wormholes. There are a couple paragraphs in there, several pages actually, about concepts for producing negative energy.

Yeah. And they're not just primitive concepts. Like they're fleshed out in detail, how to make your laser that can produce negative energy. And then it's just a matter of amplifying that energy. And then, okay, well, we're off to Star Trek world where you can ride your gravity wave And you are not then accelerating, especially if you're in a bubble and you're in the safe part of the bubble.

And you can instantly appear somewhere else. Or according to the physics, we already understand. Yeah. And you were talking about this could be more massive than nuclear weapons. And let me ask you this question because this was part of the letter. In this letter, he was kind of explaining that these things could carry massive payloads. Unlimited payloads. or unlimited.

What can you further, like, say about that? Well, I can say everything because I don't have any really strings on me. And if you, okay, so going, first of the, I think I agree to that it's, it is like funny. I have to worry about like this person could be a follower, you know, depending on what they're following. In this case, no, like, because of their background in terms of what they've seen or what have you, I don't think that would be the case. But, and I'm not sure I even agree that the drones. Chinese drones, what they're saying, in terms of what happened in New Jersey.

But I do agree that we are in like a drone war with China and USA. I think that would be a way you could phrase, you know, my belief in the shadow war behind the scenes at the moment. And then in terms of the payload of the drones, I mean, the MH370 videos, you know, you look at those videos. And I think we were like 50 years too early for those videos. which was why it took us so long, even why now a lot of people have a hard time believing those videos are real. Because it looks impossible based on what we currently accept.

And the orbs, though, are showing, you know, advanced cold fusion properties. We can see the electrons with the yellow heat signatures in the orbs. And the ions, the colder ions, are the more room temperature blue. part of the orbs as well. So it's clear we're actually definitely looking at plasma orbs in those videos just from what we can see in the drone video in the thermal. And the black lines in front of the

orbs are endothermic, meaning it's absorbing energy, a lot of energy, cooling it down rapidly. So that looks like what a negative energy laser would do. So this is where you know, it's interesting to hear what the, what people say when they're coming out because,

yeah, it does seem to corroborate a lot of what those videos would show to be possible that's out there, which is basically a plasma drone and anti-gravidic capability for trust. Yeah, and let me also ask you this. could you consider these orbs that encircled MH370 the aircraft? Would you consider potentially that aircraft being a payload? Yeah, yeah, it could be. So, yeah, these things like, you know, they have, they're basically just balls of lightning.

So you have huge destructive capability. Like we're talking, I don't know, if I knew more about mythology, maybe you have to read up about it, but you like Zeus, just striking down with lightning strikes. and then imagine two of those, three of those lightning strikes all hitting each other at the perfect angle. You know,

what happens to the stuff that's inside of that? You know, zap, it's going somewhere else or it's just gone. And that's the kind of level of destructive capability we're talking here. So especially if we can scale that up even more, which this is the thing too. It's like even if you look at what we have then,

that was 10 years ago. That was 10 years ago in those videos. So whatever that was, It's going to get even crazier than that. And it's going to happen probably within all of our lifetimes that we will have the capability if we don't already, which I think we might, to just instantly vaporized the entire planet in one go. Sounds awesome.

Which is like, you know, mutually assured destruction. I don't want to sugarcoat it because we need to start, you know, talking about it. Like, hey, okay, guys, so it's not a joke anymore. can we like unlock free energy so we can start talking about you know become an interstellar like right now because i don't know how long we're going to have on this planet well i mean and the thing is though as as as you're as you're talking about unlocking free energy you also have to realize that if china and the united states both have this technology according to matthew levelsburg let's just say for example that he was honest here think about this and i know you said earlier you're like i i'm

skeptical on whether or not the drones over New Jersey and all that are China's. But what do you think would be the benefit of Matthew Livelsberger, lying about the drones and what, like, why would he just, why would he randomly kind of just bullshit about that's China's drones and maybe he has some type of deep knowledge on, for whatever reason that, you know, hey, I'm a part of a new system, a new kind of clandestine, I guess drone program, whatever. it is that he was involved with. He knows for whatever reason the story behind the drones that they are China's. Like, why would he lie about that or kind of misconstrue that?

But yet, you know, basically everything he said as far as the war crimes and what he was involved in, you know, and even name and agents that they have, you know, validated that were a part of this. And even the Army Chief of Staff. In 2019. Yeah, the Army Chief of Staff came to Sean Ryan and all of them and said. said, look, you cannot release these names, number one, because a couple of these guys, intelligent guys. They're still active. Yeah, they're still operational.

And I think he, in my opinion, I think he really only mentioned the war crime stuff. I mean, you know, if you look at people have different opinions on Israel and Palestine. But if you just look at potentially a lot of the stuff that Israel did in response to October 7th, you would say that killing thousands of civilians is a war crime. And yet this guy in this email, this whistleblower email, all this manifesto came out and said, hey, in 2019, you know, we at times killed 100 plus civilians a day. And it's like, yeah.

And it's like with everything we've heard over the past two years, it's like, well, 100 plus civilians is not that bad in comparison to some places around the world. But it just seemed to me like his main message was the drones. And why would it have been the drones is his number one message? In my opinion, that was his number one message. that is what he wanted to showcase over anything. And why would he lie about that or misconstrue it? And even on mainstream media, FBI is coming out and saying he had this a letter where he was saying,

this is a wake-up call. I'm not trying to kill anyone. I just want to get people's attention to wake up America because this is what's going on, basically. Yeah. And listen, maybe this is the government that sent the freaking email for him to like, you know, to Ian's point. maybe we want war with China. I don't know.

But if it is him, that's scary shit. If China actually has drones like that over the United States of America. Yeah. And if they're hacking people's emails and sending emails like that, too, that's also pretty scary. And that's, I guess, a possibility. It's pretty damn specific. But yes, parts of the email don't seem to be accurate. Like his car, registration.

And these were things that he was doing. mean like try to confirm his identity so he's pretty damn bizarre his first car you mean that he said yeah like his car so like i said i don't really agree that the drones were uh chinese i think that we would have shot him down or something if they were even if they were orbs or whatever um but you know i think it's it's interesting to see like was he really a UFO special access program thing or was this just like a psychotic break um and the only way to really know would be to like dig into his background. So this becomes now like a personal thing about his family and what have you.

Or like, you know, the people or friends like, you know, talking to him like, you know, was he into like UFO stuff or like did he change like after he did his new job and maybe see something? You know, probably the people that work with him. But my guess is that they wouldn't want to say anything. without that um you know i'd say that the feds are good at you know painting a story that they want to paint i do think these black ops they're talking about are real as well those like there's a u.n paper about those exact dates that he was talking about in the black ops where they killed innocence now was he part of those operations how do we find out there's no way they're going to

tell us the truth but they did kill innocence and it's just a matter of how many incidents they killed that people are equivalent over oh was it thousands hundreds tens i was like come on man any numbers kind of bad right well ashton and and some of what you're saying and and i and i got to i got to ask this because i'm thinking this as you're talking about some of this so what if matthew libelsburger is the edward c lind that we need like you know and and you know talking about edward c lynde potentially had something to do with m h370 or at least the videos or the you know the the drone program or whatever the case may be that may have known or been part of information in relation to the disappearance of MH370.

Like what if Livelsberger is the Edward C. Lin for disclosure, not based on aliens, but based on advanced technology that we need. Is there things being misconstru? Like, it almost seems like already there is a drive and a push. to confuse and manipulate even the email and the information that came out to say, hey, guys, look, because of this car and because of this and, you know, maybe this is not the way it is and this is not the way it is. Do you understand what I'm saying? Like, it seems like a disinformation or a propaganda campaign, they're scurrying right now.

I mean, if you want a siop, if this guy is telling the truth, the siop would be everything that everyone is trying to decipher and fight about. in relation to this email. And if he's telling a truth, he didn't want to commit suicide. He was going to the Mexican border and he needed somebody to reply to him before January 31st because he knew the feds were following him. And he even said, I want to go and sit down with you, Sean Ryan. I want to sit down with you, but it has to be before this date because after this date, you know, I don't know. He knew he was, he knew he was being followed. And that's why he said he had all these fireworks and gas drums or whatever.

whatever in the Tesla. And I think he also picked a Tesla because he knew it wasn't going to do much damage. And I don't think he was out to definitely be a terrorist or anything like that. No. Listen, if everything he said in this email is true, he's kind of a American hero. I mean, if he's going to expose and is willing to put a V-Bid, which is, you know, the vehicle-borne and improvised explosive device, you know, if he's going to put that in his vehicle, his claim was the reason I put this in my vehicle is because I know I was being followed.

I knew that the DOJ and FBI would not move on me based on knowing I had this in my vehicle. I don't know how true that is. But at the very least, they probably would have shot him right in a freaking head with a sniper rifle. Somewhere on his journey. And then been like, hey, look,

you know what? Because we already know about his emails and everything that he's been sending all these damn people. Now we have to, at the very least, get him in this vehicle in front of Las Vegas or some shit to blow him up. Can I tell Tesla drive itself? Well, it can.

Yeah. What if they've detonated the bombs on him while he was in front of Trump Tower? What if they just had a remote detonation capability? Well, they could have done. Well, and how in the hell did he shoot himself in the head and then detonate everything? Yeah, and that's the, that's the weird thing. Ash, I want to play this quick video. This is one of the things that Sam Shumate said to Sean Ryan.

And I hope we're on. Yeah, okay. we're on Bluetooth. This is one of their weird theories, they said, listen to this and let's get your opinion on this. In gear, he's on X. He goes into this a lot in depth. He's a firearms expert and he talks about this. There's no signature. So this is what happens. You get a Tesla because you know it can drive itself up to the hotel, the Trump Tower. You put a body in it, roll it up. It's already burned up. It's already shot. Excuse me. You don't want to kill anybody, because that's not the message you're trying to send.

You're not trying to level the tower or kill a bunch of people. So you load it up with fireworks and a bunch of junk to send a message. And we know that his signal number or his signal safety number changed. That can't be done unless you're inside that signal account. And a lot of people conjecture was the FBI inside a signal account, whatever else. But what if he accidentally changed his safety number goofed up there? He rolled a body up in a Tesla specifically because of the, that Tesla can drive itself up to the tower and did what he did to send a message to expose his

stuff. And he's still alive out there somewhere. Well, the other thing is, maybe the FBI wasn't in his phone. Maybe, I mean, this guy's obviously very competent. I mean, he was, he's got a TSSCI clearance. Very, for the polygraph. It's been associated with Usa Sok. Obviously, he was on this operation in 2019. By the way, the general in charge of that was General Miller. You'll see that in the email that we post on X later after this interview comes in. out, you know, maybe he changed his number on purpose and switched phones because he obviously was tipped off or conducted his own counter surveillance and caught Homeland or FBI tracking him.

And so I think there's a very good possibility that this, that Matthew Littlesberger might be still alive. Which is nuts, right? What you're basically saying is this dude's Jason Boring. Okay. And can I just bring up one more thing about? that when they were talking about that, you know, the FBI came out and said that his DNA didn't match his kids' DNA. And I was wondering, did they take the DNA from the charred body

to try to figure out his DNA and it wasn't him? Yeah, but whose body would he have used? Maybe one of the FBI agents has been following him. I don't know. I mean, this dude is a freaking Green Beret at Fort Bragg. He's not an idiot. He is obviously very smart. And one of the things the green berets are trained very well on is uh is evading capture and that is one of their best qualities i mean that there's there's tons of movies out there um that show you how good special forces are evading capture and also even potentially setting up scenarios to make it look like they have died and they haven't actually what are your thoughts i mean do you even consider that a possibility i think everything is a possibility and i'll believe anything that

there's evidence for. And I remember this one too. This got a lot, this got popularity that he might still be alive out there somewhere. It is weird, this claim that they checked his DNA compared to his son. It seemed way too fast. Because one of the things I've done in a past life is set up a lot of these DNA tests

that they do at like a hospital or something like that. Usually it takes a few days, but they're telling them to have like, just turned it over and like what got all these parties involved and, you know, just a day. Maybe. Maybe. They could probably do it if they really cared. But that just seems very odd that that DNA wouldn't match.

Especially if that's confirmed to be his son and not like she was cheating or something like that and had a baby with somebody else instead. It just seems like information we could verify right away. And I think that's what they were trying to say is that maybe he was distraught. Like you're coming on with, you know, he was. on these new medicines and maybe it was suicidal and these kind of things. Yeah, and they wanted to pin it especially because it's like what Sean Ryan said in the interview when the Army Chief of Staff, PAO, public affairs officer, reaches out to Sean Ryan and says, oh, by the way, guys, this is just between us.

But we found out that, you know, his DNA did not match his kids. And so they were trying to shape a narrative to Sean Ryan because they knew, they knew he was going to go live with this email. They wanted to already shape this narrative around why he would have done this. Mainstream media has ran with this. And I understand the Psiop that, listen, with the way the world is today, with the conspiracy world and everybody not trusting the government in any way, shape, or form, everybody always wants to go with the craziest conspiracy possible on the deepest level. So if you go, and by the way, with everything I've heard so far, in my opinion, the craziest conspiracy here, crazy. craziest, and I know this sounds crazy,

is that the deep state is trying to push for a war with China and they go through all of this crazy shit with Matthew Littlesberger and the detonation and all this stuff and the emails. And by the way, if the government was setting all this shit up, sending emails to the Sean or to Sam's shoemate,

number one, they would not have got his freaking car wrong, supposedly that he first owned. That's pretty easy to look up, according to X because people have already looked it up. So if it's a government sciop to where they want to push for a war with China, they would make sure, I just don't think it would be this way. I think that's the biggest

conspiracy. But also to that point, Ashton, there was times where you were really freaked out and felt like people were following you and doing things like that when you first got into this research. Well, it was just like paranoid, I guess. Not necessarily you thought for sure,

but you were just, you knew what you were about to expose or to start pushing. And you were paranoid. It does freak you out. Yeah, I mean, you realize, like, okay, the people are up there with basically unlimited power. You're like, oh, okay, how far does this go? You know, everything a lie. And then you slowly come to terms with like, well, it doesn't really even matter anyway, you know, just enjoy it.

And but not everybody comes to terms with it like that, you know, that's the problem. But, you know, that's how I can't turn with it. But some people like, you've been poking. Sorry, sorry, sorry. It was lagging for a second. You've been poking the hornet nest for a while. I mean, even with the FOIA request and the various emails to various government agencies, you have been poking the hornet nest for a long time.

I mean, I just want one thing. I just want them to tell the truth about what they did to this airplane, MH370, we'll learn enough that they have full surveillance coverage of the entire plan. it certainly of any rogue you know Boeing triple sevens flying around for eight hours in the air they're tracking them so they need to tell us exactly what they know about it come clean about it and the only is why they would go to this level of a cover-up at all but the only reason this deep this much of a cover-up or like no information out is that there's something to hide significant something something significant and what you see in those videos with the

anti-gravity, that, that's it, you know? So I think there are scenarios where, yeah, like, you know, there's some Jason Boy and stuff happening. Could be, you know, related to like that, you know, getting taken out or what have you. Could be just trying to send a message. And it could just be nonsense, you know. I think that all the options are still on the table at the moment. but, you know, could be a follower as well, although I don't really understand that at the moment,

but the other thing, too, is that Sean Ryan is connected to a lot of the people who are in the CIA, what have you, and a lot of people reaching out to him the moment that this was known what was going on, which goes to show you that this gives a lot of credibility that something is happening here. Some people are going to say, oh, they're planting this as a side, but okay, if it is, it's a crazy story anyway, you know, he's doing the right thing, reporting. on it no matter what. Right. And just put it up because as long as you're an innocent party in this, then put the

information forward. Absolutely. And if somehow leads back to the CIA doing it, that's still a crazy story. Mm-hmm. You know? Well, let me ask you a question real quick about the New Jersey drones. Do you feel like they were all drones or do you think that was a combination of drones in orbs?

I think we're going to see more and more orbs as we progress forward. I think we're going to continue. you see more and more orbs. I think conventional drones we're going to see less and less of. And I think that a lot of the stuff is being called drones up there. Like a lot of them are probably orbs actually that people are seeing. And they're shapeshifting.

No, I don't believe they're shapeshifting into airplanes. Like people are. No, no, no. But I'm saying, but what we've, we have, there are decently credible videos that show drones appear in to now transform into some type of orbs. or drone-type things, releasing orb-looking things. Yeah, there could be scenarios where these balls can produce other balls of energy.

And I don't know. I mean, if there are aliens or some other species out there, they can turn this stuff into other type of, I don't know, machinery that's far beyond what we can currently imagine. You know, I think the understanding the balls of plasma is like the first step. Just like I said, with like making fire. But then you imagine all the machinery that you can build and what you can produce with things that have like free energy.

You know, could explain some of the stuff people are seeing with these dripping orbs, things like that. The Betz sphere is another one that people bring up. There's a lot of connections to some of these orbs have been flying around out there. Even Mercury, it's, I found some old sources that show that mercury can be turned into a plasma as well. And that's what they were saying, like,

the Nazis were using to achieve anti-gravity. So I think we're going to find that plasma was like the secret all along. And that it just became taboo because people were, for whatever reason, led down this path that, like, space time is empty. And if it's empty, you can't, like, manipulate space time and do, cool stuff like that. Yeah. The other thing, too, with the Tim Kennedy, I know that when you were on your live stream

the other night, and there was a lot of people, I know you were talking about Tim Kennedy, you went pretty, I don't know, probably 20 minutes or so on the Tim Kennedy thing. Well, Tim Kennedy is a, I guess, ex-special Forces dude. He's been on Joe Rogan multiple times. He also just happened to be on a networked. television show with the Matthew Livelsberger. And so Tim Kennedy

Yeah, and the weird and the crazy thing was, right? Can't believe it. I follow the gun community pretty extensively. And over the past a year and a half, as Tim Kennedy started going on Joe Rogan, and

Tim Kennedy really blew up. That is where a lot of people went to YouTube to look at like gun content and a lot of what Tim and he was doing. But it's just so happens that he was also part of a network television show with Matthew Littlesberger, the guy that blew himself up in Las Vegas, the guy that's the whistleblower, the guy that, you know, released a manifesto. But it was also interested in me. And I said this the other night and I actually text you, I think, when you were live, Ashton. I said, I said,

Ashton, Tim Kennedy reminds me of Michael Baker, the guy that goes on Joe Rogan's podcast. He's the ex-CIA guy. And it's like every time there is some type of a very dark story about what's going on potentially with Psyops or whatever, Michael Baker will come on Joe Rogan's podcast, and he will essentially defend the CIA to kind of do damage control, it seems like. And I think most people know that listen to Gerer Rogan's, you know, podcast. Most people have already known and realized that Michael Baker is that dude.

He is the guy the CIA still sends out to the mainstream podcast to try to do damage control. Now you have Tim Kennedy. and then there was a clip and I sent it to Ashton I want to make sure I play this because I think this is important but Tim Kennedy, this huge gun guy all of a sudden not all of a sudden but after his

military career and all that he gets popular Joe Rogan then he goes on Lance Armstrong's podcast and this is what he says on Lance Armstrong's podcast listen I think about it all the time yeah and we you know then we think about what the solution is that's what I think about

when you said gun control yeah I believe gun control is a mass control is a massive solution. Good. I do not think that... I didn't expect you to say that. I don't think a 19-year-old kid should have access to an AR-15. I don't think, you know, he should be able to buy a pistol.

Fortunately, he can't. But if you can't buy a pistol, how can you buy a semi-momatic AR? So that's Tim Kennedy. Okay. Well, you can join the army and have any weapon you want in the army, but you can't buy a weapon? Well, Tim Kennedy, the point with this was, is that once the gun community, the Second Amendment, the constitutional guys, saw this clip.

And then he also went on another podcast advocating for gun control, which is obviously the deep state's narrative to disarm the American public because they know what they want to do. They want to, they want to tyrannize the American people. I mean, thank God at least right now Trump is in, even though there's a lot of questions that's starting to happen right now in terms

of Elon and there's a lot of weird stuff already going on with that. but Tim Kennedy pushing gun control and then also having a connection with Matthew Livelsberger is insane. So I wanted to point it out to you, Ashton, because I know you were talking about the Tim Kennedy thing on your live stream the other night. And I was texting you and stuff. And I just, there's something weird with Tim Kennedy. Let's just put it that way. It's not necessarily normal. What are good thoughts, Ashton?

Maybe he's a plant. I don't know. It is super weird that he made a post. where he's just like, anybody know this guy, Matt Milibelsberger, and then people with the community, know him and said,

yes, you do. And it's the link to the video. It's promotional material of this reality show that he's in with him. Just, God, that was just such a crazy twist in this whole story as well. And, you know, okay, so I get it. You know, he came out against,

he came out for gun control after doing a bunch of video, gun stuff. of people who are, you know, big, heavy, you know, freedom on the side of the 2A argument, got upset. I understand that. It doesn't necessarily mean he's a plant or anything like that. People's ideas change over time.

And what I would say is, like, yeah, we probably want to be on the side of safety of, like, individual rights to bear firearms and weaponry. because soon we're all going to potentially have access to energy devices that will be able to power our houses wherever we want to be. And we'll need those rights in order to have the right to that weaponry because it's dangerous. That same technology that allows for that energy device, you know, could destroy, you know, everything within 10 miles, you know, stuff like that. So it's important that we understand those rights and then the significance and use them responsibly and appropriately so that we can, you know, live on this planet peacefully. Pretty sure. Well, Ashton, what do you got coming up?

You know, like I said, this is a crazy story. And obviously, I don't know if this episode will go out before Sean Ryan's stream tonight. I mean, most people will be listening to it tomorrow or whatever. but for those that have not listened to Sean Ryan. I told Ashton he needs to get in Sean Ryan space. I'm going to try to get in there as well tonight. I think is at 9 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, 8 p.m. Central time. He's going to answer questions and whatever.

And what do you got coming up, Ashton? What are you working on right now? What is your main focus for what the future holds? Well, first the questions on what I would ask Sean Ryan tonight I hope I get out there would be like

what does he believe the significance is of those letters like does he take them at face value is he thinks the guy was just crazy or whatever like I want to know

what his opinion are is of all this and why he felt he needed to like go into hiding basically those are probably the questions I don't know

the answer to I don't necessarily need to ask them you know as long as somebody else asked something like that um And like the degree of likelihood you think is it is coming from this guy, Matt Littlesberger.

I just think that those are important questions that are out there. For me, what's coming up? Probably more big interviews. I'm stepping up my game on my heart shoes podcast. I just spoke to Jason Georgiani, who was awesome. I got a lot of views because it was just a really good conversation about advanced technology and the implications of it for our society. and what might the whole non-human intelligence situation be

and been doing some work with Professor Simon, whose content, if you haven't been checking out, is really good on YouTube. He's been kind of mirroring a lot of the topics I've been talking about with some of surveillance and the plasma drone capabilities and things like that, which I'm fully supportive of. This stuff's great. So the last thing I want to say is that,

But like, well, like, I can't believe how much of an impact this has made that people even asked a question of like, this guy could have been a fan of yours. Like, it's only been one year of, you know, me and MH370X team and everybody being out there, like pushing for zero point energy disclosure. And we've already made this much of an impact. You know, it feels like if we continue on this trajectory, we can actually force out disclosure from the government because it's just going to require it hitting a critical mass

where it can't be ignored anymore. And then normal people, even skeptical people, start like asking questions. Yeah. Or it just becomes one of those things which is accepted behind the scenes and they don't ever really admit to it, but like everybody kind of knows that it's true.

So, you know, I think that they underestimated the situation on these videos and thought that they were just going to be able to hide them for a really long time. Yeah. For sure. And I'm appreciative of everybody out there who's been, you know, telling the truth, going against the grain and saying, no, all you guys think it's all fake, whatever, you're all wrong. Sorry. You're going to learn. Well, I, like I said, man, I know that you have been pushed thin lately.

Yeah. And we were so excited when this, not excited, but just the fact that this gives you some validity. Yeah, for sure. I mean, yeah, with so much shit talk and, you know, most people don't realize how many podcasts or appearances or whatever you go on. It's got to be, it's got to be tiring. There's got to be something that, you know, you're. Yeah, I think Ashton's exhausted.

He should be. I mean, because especially with this week has been kind of a crazy. You need a nap. A nap. A napy poo. But Ashton, listen. man we appreciate you coming on so much for sure uh we are gonna definitely keep following this story and following you and i'm sure everybody else will as well um and we look forward to what uh the future

holds for you and we will keep following it for sure thanks a lot guys thanks for coming on ashton everybody that was ashton forbs um ashen's been involved in doing this stuff for quite a while man I mean, a year now. We were the first podcast that had him on. And, you know, I think, I think Ashton is exhausted with all this new news. Like, he's exhausted. It could be. I mean, I don't know.

It's one of those things that there is, I will say this. There is like a, a sciop slash information war that is going on right now on the internet. and it's you know we were used to mainstream media like everybody got used to mainstream media lying to us eventually and then everyone was like all right well everybody knows including old people now that mainstream media lies to you there are still a few old people that believe the bullshit it comes on our TV and then now guys we are facing an information war on the internet and they're getting good at it I'm talking about the intelligence agencies, the bots that they are creating, the narratives, the, I guess what I would

call damage control based on the narratives that they are losing control of. They're starting to be better. They're starting to divide better. They're starting to be better at making you hate the other person that maybe six months ago you agreed with. Maybe y'all agreed about UFOs six months ago or a year ago. And now, all of a sudden, you have 50-50 people. hate each other now. The UFO community has completely been divided. And even on people that

are pushing for transparency on advanced technology, well, there are a subset of people there that hate those people as well. And it's just like a consistent basis of division and hate on every single level. And it's being infiltrated by the intelligence agencies. We are in an information war. There's zero question about it. And unfortunately, and I don't know how you guys want to take this, and I don't know how you want to think about this, but, you know, even religion is about to suffer. I mean, I'm talking about suffer a huge catastrophic loss. And I say loss, because you're going to have this mass influx of information that either wants you to disbelieve in whatever maybe you used to believe, or it's going to make you hate another

religion more than you ever have, or it's even maybe going to make you hate your own religion more than you ever have. We're in one of the craziest information times of our history. And even talking to Ashton, even talking to Ashton, like tonight on this interview, and I'll tell Ashen, I kind of told him this, you know, in the interview, I said, you know, to me, Matthew Libelsberger is like your Edward C. Lin. And the reason I say Edward C. Lin is Ashton has been. promoting who he believes as a U.S. Navy, I think Edward C. Lin was an admiral in the Navy.

And Ashton's been saying for a long time, I think Edward C. Lynn, because he was charged with espionage and all this shit. I think he knew about all this. I think he was maybe one of the people that shared it. And so Ashton's been pushing hard about Edward C. Lynn. But he's taking a little bit different stance on the Matthew Littelsberger. And so it's interesting to me. I'm just trying to keep up with, I'm trying to keep up with people's minds right now. I really am. And I don't know how exactly to navigate it. I think I have my own beliefs and thoughts and opinions.

Yeah, I think everyone has their own thoughts and opinions. And I think they change over time. I don't know. It's weird. It's a weird time to be alive. It really is. But I just know from past podcast with Ashton, that I would have never believed this was technology that any, like, a human being would have before.

Yeah. And I now know I am probably like 98.9% sure that humans have this technology. And I'm talking about the or things that we always thought were like aliens driving the little spaceships. I don't think that's no longer the truth. But I don't know. I don't know. I mean, what if, what if this Matthew Livelsberger guy is a deep sciop to try to get you off that? Oh, and they're going to just kill him?

Yeah, I don't think. I see. And that's the thing. Like, the more likelihood of why he's probably dead right now is because that he was going to expose. He was a whistleblower. Yeah. And he didn't just go out to just those few people. He was trying to get on anything and everything.

And he had a deadline and he knew it. By the way, Matthew Liversberger, if you're out there listening and you're out of actually are still alive. Well, yeah, he's probably, hopefully, going to Russia. That would be the smart place to go. Well, I don't know. Who knows? But, no, there's no way if, you know, obviously Matthew Littlesburg or Green Bray,

if he was involved in advanced drone programs in the United States, our government's not going to let him out of this country alive. So the likelihood that that was not his body in that Tesla is probably. Richard or Edward Snowden, same thing. Yeah. I mean, Edward Snowden was probably. I guess at the very least smart enough because he was in the high up intelligence agency. So he knew the capability.

And he had to get out of here. Yeah, but he was smart enough to know every little step he had to take before he did. But, you know, before he did anything. Now, if you're a Green Beret, you're someone that's working on, like someone that's working on an advanced, you know, secretive program, maybe his drones or whatever the case is, that's one thing. But if you're like CIA or a really. high up intelligence officer or whatever it is like Edward Snowden was. And Edward Snowden was not just an intelligence officer.

He was one of the smartest dudes that our intelligence agency had. So he knew every step he had to take to get the hell out of here and alive before, you know, or otherwise. And so that's not necessarily all the steps you're going to take if you're a green beret or whatever. You do the steps you think will get you to point A to point B alive. And maybe that's what happened. He just wasn't smart enough. Well, and well, the reality is, is that they, if they knew that he was a whistleblower,

they knew the emails he sent out, they had to have concocted some type of thing to kill him and make it out like he just killed himself. Yeah. This was the way it was. And, you know, I'm sure, hell, maybe they, maybe they consulted Hillary Clinton. Chad, in your opinion, how believable is this? Do you believe this guy or not? Or do you think he's a sciop?

I believe he is true. Yeah, I do too. I 100% believe that everything that he said was factual. I don't know about the car. Why would he even put that in the letter? If it wasn't his car, that was weird. But it was just, you know, he reached out to all these people. And a lot of people didn't even know that he was in their inbox.

By the way, if you're Matthews-Livellis-Libelsberger, right? If you're this guy and you're putting a car in your freaking email to try to vindicate your story by saying, hey, this is my first car, blah, blah, blah. And yet two days later, anyone, by the way, pretty much anybody can go look up a person's history of vehicles they've on, houses, rentals, properties, everything. Like, you're not going to be that dumb. like especially if you're like a if you're a government that is trying to concoct some type of story for this, you're not going to be so dumb

to get the wrong car. Well, a lot of times when you get your first car, it's usually in your mother or father's name. Yeah, it might not even be in your name. Yes. You're exactly right. But then why would he have said like, well, this is my first car. This is whatever.

Well, I don't know. But it could have been because my first car was not my name. Well, it'd be interesting too is that if they already knew that email, keep this in mind. If they knew that email already, do you not think the government can go along and just change your fucking first car on the internet with your information? I mean, come on. The government can do anything they want to do.

They can do a lot of things. They can drive a dead body in a Tesla. They want to. They can also, if you're Bob Lazar, take all of your credentials away in a college that you went to and everybody knew you went to. But the government said, oh, he never went there. And they took everything away that he ever even existed in that college. And yet Bob Mazar was at Area S4 and was one of the top scientists there. And then they just completely destroyed his credibility by saying,

see, look, guys, there is no evidence he was even in none of these places. And then there were people that came out and said, yes, he was. I was freaking there with him. So I know he was there. I don't think people understand the power of the government. Like right now, you guys listening, if they want to destroy your life tomorrow, You're done. Oh, yeah.

They will do it. And they'll do it in any way they can. Like, if they don't want you to have a high school diploma or if they don't want you to ever had existed before, you're not going to exist anymore. They could literally kill you. And the only people that's going to vouch for your existence is your family. And they're like, well, they're crazy. He never existed.

See, there's no record to them. They can't do it to that degree because they're, There's just so many family members and friends. Right. But they could if they really wanted to and they could just tell everybody that was involved, you're crazy. I just don't see. Find the documents.

Find the evidence. Why this guy went through so much to try to get this whistleblower stuff out if he was depressed and suicidal. I just don't buy that at all. It could have been both though, right? I mean, you got to think about this. But he, you know, he did say in the email, this is something we've forgotten. We didn't talk about in the first episode.

He did say that there was an abduction attempt on him. And I think maybe that's what started this journey. Well, I think he was probably really paranoid. Like I was talking to Ashton about it, because I'm telling you, when Ashton first came out with all this, he was paranoid too. Well, yeah. I mean, that's, of course, when you're getting into stuff where you're doing FOIA requests and, you know, in dealing with the bigwigs, you know, they can just put you under and

nobody will ever know where you were. No. But I mean, and that's my point. I mean, you know, when he talked about the abduction attempt, I think that's when he probably first realized they were after him. And obviously, even before the abduction attempt, and I'm saying I don't know exactly when this was, maybe a week or two before. But when he started seeing this, I think he knew when they tried to abduct him,

however that happened. He had to have said something to someone that he was maybe going to talk about something. Yeah. And they picked it up. And that's when they tried to maybe abduct him or do whatever because they are like, no, we cannot have this dude saying this shit. And then he reacted based on what he knew.

He knew that they were going to get him. And so that's when he concocted this entire plan. I got to put a V-bed, a vehicle born in close to protect myself. Incinerated device. Yeah. I got to do this. And I got to make this. cross-country journey.

I'm going to try to get to Mexico. If I can't do that, whatever. I think they killed him. This is my opinion. I think they killed him on the journey. And or, and or if you go to Jason Bourne side, he did something himself from a point A to point B to point C to where maybe he put another body in the Tesla truck.

I don't know. I doubt that. It's more likely the government killed him on the way to wherever he was trying to maybe it was Mexico because actually one of the one of the stops that he had in this journey was actually not a route that you would go to Las Vegas. It was actually going more towards Mexico. And so he went to this place that looked like it was very south going towards Mexico. And then it goes and shoots north up towards Las Vegas, right?

And the interesting thing was I think he had stopped in someplace like Vegas something or some city it was similarly named to Las Vegas. And everyone came out. I was like, how dumb can this dumbass be? He thought he was going to Las Vegas and he went to some other place going towards Mexico. But I think maybe that's where they intercepted him, killed him, and then did whatever their plan was.

And it was just convenient to put it in front of a Trump international building. Yeah, because it was the narrative. Everybody loves to hate Trump. They thought they would get away with it. And it was also interesting they did it. And then the Las Vegas or the New Orleans terror attack happened. So you got terror attack, terror attack, supposedly. They wanted to just brush us off.

But this guy was a Trump supporter. Now, I have heard it through media, like local media, whatever, Fox News or whatever. That's mainstream media. Yeah, mainstream media that his wife was an anti-Trumper. I don't know. But what? But by the way, his family has come out and said there's. There's no way he did this.

No, I don't agree either that he did it. But it's just interesting, too. Have you looked at the two letters that the FBI on mainstream media is reading that his letter was? It was like a suicide letter. And the versus the Sam Shumate letter. Yeah, it's completely different. Yeah, I mean, it's a suicide letter, basically. Talking about, I think it was his wife.

I mean, it was some bullshit. I've not read the mainstream media email. I need to go and probably find that. but yeah, the letter in mainstream media is putting out there or whatever. And I don't even think they're saying the whole details of what the letter said. Well, no, he was basically saying that America has to wake up. Yeah, yeah. I think there was a lot of good comparisons between the two letters.

He was saying, we have to wake up. And this is the only way that I can get you guys to wake up is to do this. But there were similarities. I think maybe I know what email you're talking about. And I think one of the emails you're talking about is I think somebody was saying was Like everybody's got to stand up, go to the Capitol and do all this shit or whatever or something. It was weird. It made it like he was an extremist, if I'm not mistaken.

I don't know. Sure, you caught me off guard with that because I've heard that. Yeah. But I can't tell you 100% what that, what that letter said or any of that. So I'm not going to speculate on that. But guys, look, we're going to end it here. There's so much to be said about this. We wanted to bring Ashton and just kind of get his thoughts and opinions on what the deal was there.

Ashton was a little off tonight. I got to be honest. I don't know what it was. Exactly. I think he's exhausted. And he probably is. But there's, I, I truly think this is one of the most groundbreaking stories of our lifetime. Yeah.

And it's just they're going to try to misconstrue the narrative. They're going to try to discredit the people that have brought this email forward, such as Sean Ryan and Sam Schumet. and Matthew Livelsberger, if you want a SIEP, they're going to make this, I mean, think about this. This is the last thing I'll say.

Think about this. Do you think it's more of a SIOP the government would do this to make the government look like a piece of shit? Or do you think the government would try to do the reverse to try to make Matthew Livelsberger

look like a crazy psycho? Like, which do you guys think? Do you think the government's going to make themselves look bad on purpose for a SIOP? or do you think they're going to make Matthew Livelsberger look bad than the psycho and Sean Ryan and the guy that exposed it? And why would Sean Ryan have to go in hiding over all this? Yeah. And by the way, if Matthew Liversberg is saying the drones over the East Coast or China, I believe him.

I mean, China's freaking spy balloons have been over the United States. We didn't do shit about it. You know why we didn't do shit about it? Because we knew the technology that China has. And by the way, we better hope we have that technology that they have. I mean, we're talking about the orbs, the MH370 thing, the shape shifting gravitical propulsion systems. We better hope that we have that technology if China does. Because if we don't, we are screwed.

And maybe that is the entire purpose of what China's doing. If it is China, if it is China, maybe that is what they're testing. They're seeing, hey, we have this technology. Let's see if they do. Yes, that's what I was telling me on the last podcast. It's almost like checkmate. You know, they're playing chess with us. Like, what are you going to do about it?

Here we are because, you know, we already did our spy balloon that went across your United States and you didn't do shit about that. You blew it up after it got to the ocean or whatever. This is our move and this is what we're doing and we're overpowering you right now. Yeah. I don't know shit about chess, but, you know, this is our main player. Yeah, this is our main player. Yeah. Let's see what you do.

Let's see if you have technology like this. Because if you do, you're going to bring it out against ours. And let's see who is more. And listen, that's the scariest thing. That's the scariest concept of this. I don't hear anyone over China saying that we have drones or ors over there. No, not at all. That's scary.

That should be scary to people. I don't know. But guys, that's going to do it for us. I'm about to cough my head off probably again because I'm still not better. But we'll be back very soon. There's so much still to be said about this. We don't know what the entire story is, but we hope you enjoyed our episode tonight.

Until next time, we love you guys so very much. We'll talk to you very soon. Enjoy your work week. Until next time, peace out. Peace out, guys.