Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - The Blind Exorcist: Real Exorcisms, Demonic Influence & Spiritual Warfare

Episode Date: August 5, 2026

What really happens during an exorcism? Can demons influence people, leaders, or even entire nations? Is spiritual warfare something Christians still face today?In this episode of the Investigate Earth Podcast, we're joined by Justin Daubenmire, better known as The Blind Exorcist. After losing his eyesight at 17 due to complications from Type 1 diabetes, Justin says he was called into a ministry focused on deliverance and exorcism. He shares his personal journey, discusses real cases he's encountered, and explains what he believes the Bible teaches about demons, spiritual warfare, and the unseen battle taking place around us.We also dive into biblical prophecy, demonic influence, common misconceptions about exorcisms, and why Justin believes many people misunderstand the spiritual world. Whether you're a believer, a skeptic, or simply curious, this is a conversation you won't want to miss.🎙️ Subscribe to the Investigate Earth Podcast for more interviews exploring the mysteries, stories, and topics that challenge the way we see the world.Our Merchandise Store: NEW MERCHThe Blind Exorcist

Welcome to Investigator of Podcast. I'm your host chat alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. Tonight we're talking about a subject that's fascinated people for centuries. That's exorcism, spiritual warfare, and the question of whether evil can actually take hold of a person. It's a topic that has sparked endless debate, inspired movies, and left many people wondering what is real and what's fiction. Our guest tonight is Justin Dobbin Meyer, better known as the Blind Exorcist. Justin lost his eyesight at 17 due to complications from type 1 diabetes. And he says after his own personal experiences and years of studying to live,

deliverance ministry, he was called into the ministry of exorcism. Today, he hosts the blind exorcist podcast and works with people who believe they're dealing with spiritual oppression and demonic activity. Tonight, we'll hear Justin's story, talk about some of the cases he's been involved with, and asked a question a lot of people have about exorcisms and the supernatural. Guys, welcome to the show. It is August of 4th, 2026. The name of this song is even if my heart breaks by loving caliber. And I am extremely excited about having Justin on the show tonight. We've had a lot of guests lately. And this is something that we have talked about on this show for years, whether it's supernatural, our spiritual belief, things that Sherry has experienced, which we've

talked about that probably on 15 different occasions. And we've had experts from around the world on different topics. And we've never actually had someone that is in the line of work, such as exorcisms. And I am very excited to welcome Justin Dobbinmeyer to the show. Justin, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for coming on. very excited for this conversation. I am so happy to be here and just excited to share, answer questions, coach, train, and hello to everyone listening. Yeah, thanks, Justin.

I am fascinated by your story, to say the least. And it's interesting because we actually have a telegram channel to where a lot of our listeners come over. We have live chats. We get to know them. They get to know us a little better. and we do have one particular person in our chat and he goes by lucid dreaming but he actually went blind from type one diabetes as well and some of the stories that he's kind of told us just as far as his ability to lucid dream better now because or I guess since he went blind but it

sounds like for you it was I guess a very different experience of what happened to you tell us a little bit about number one you were 17 you found out I guess at 17 or before 17 that you had type 1 diabetes and then you went blind, right? Yeah, I actually, I'm 54 years old and I became a type 1 diabetic at age 5. That was in 1977. And by the time I was 16, I developed diabetic retinopathy in my eyes. And I drove for about six months and had laser treatments on my eyes. And by the time I was 17, I was completely blinded from the laser treatment.

and have been blind ever since. I've lived a really productive, good life in all glory to God for that. But I just want to share up front. I know everybody's here because exorcism is a hot topic, and this is cool stuff. I'm not going to lie to you. This is really a fun ministry to be involved in. But I want to share with people that I am a retired. computer programmer. So I went to university for a degree in computer programming, and I'm a very

logical, rational, critical thinker. So I don't come to this topic with, you know, no logic, right? So it, I mean, my entire career was analysis, patterns, finding patterns, debugging code, I was a trainer. I coached teams. I developed teams in software engineering practices. Before I retired, I worked in the cloud, Azure Cloud. I programmed microservices for large operations for different corporations here in America. And the reason I share that is to bring a little bit of credibility to this topic, right? for sure. Yeah, you have an analytical mind and, you know, especially someone that does that type of work you got to. And just kind of like a doctor, I've been dealing with a lot of medical

stuff lately. And it's like, you know, sometimes doctors don't always get it right. But AI is getting better than doctors are nowadays. It's like AI says, well, if there's this many things that point to this, maybe it's more likely this. And that's something that I guess you've had to do in your line of work is kind of evaluate and then go from there based on everything you see. Well, and a lot of people in these type of topics, they're like, oh, get your tinfoil hat on because this is what we're going to talk about. I mean, a lot of people don't believe in these type of things. And the thing is, it's true and it happens. Yeah.

Yes. And, you know, I was forced into this reality because of the paranormal situations that I experienced in my own personal life. but had I not experienced those situations, I would have been the skeptic as well. That's just who I am by nature. And it's interesting that through my exorcism certification, that was a very involved process. This I was taught and trained by Dr. Bob Larson. He's the leading Protestant exorcist. He's done over 50,000 documented out.

exorcisms. And this is the man who trained me. So he has generations of experience. And he's performed exorcisms in over 100 countries in all of these cultures. So he brings all of this logic and understanding of culture, of deities, of demonization. And there's great credibility behind him. He has quite the legacy. He's still alive. So this is who trained me. And the critical thinking skills and the analysis that I developed through my programming career, I use, I mean, daily when working with clients. So the approach that I use for exorcism is logical.

When a client works with me, I have them fill out intake questions. So there's 30-so questions I have people fill out from family dynamics. to traumas, to occult practices, to whether parents and grandparents were freemasons. And I mean, it's an involved intake process. And I sit down with that data. And I analyze it looking for demonic patterns in that person's life. That's awesome. I mean, that's a, most people don't understand or realize that that that's a huge.

skill to have probably in this line of work. So you're 17. And is this when things start happening to you once you go blind? Well, I was raised in a Christian home, but I never really accepted Christ until I was 19. And I had a severe case of paracarditis. And I almost died. And I was in ICU. And it was at that point that I actually had my own personal encounter with Jesus Christ. I surrendered my life to him, repented of my sins, got plugged into a local church. And it wasn't a few weeks past that that I started having demonic visitations. So I would have demons come into my room. I could see them, even though I was blind. And I would have demonic sleep paralysis where I could not move. They would hop on top of me and choke me to where I was almost going to die.

And the only, I mean, honestly, I was attacked at a point where I'd be thrown out of my bed, wrestling on the floor, nightstands would be knocked over. My parents would come in. What's going on? You know, my possession was severe. Legitimately a Christian filled with the spirit of God and being attacked in this severe of a way. So what would anybody do? I go to my pastor. I go to several pastors. And what do they tell me? Christians can't have demons. And that, you know, maybe you ate too much pizza, you know, before you went to bed, or read your Bible more or pray, maybe fast, or, you know, Satan doesn't have any power over you and these sorts of things. Yeah.

So I was, I received absolutely no help from the Protestant churches that I was involved in. And at that point, I didn't realize that this was an extreme bias in the West, in America, when it comes to Christians and being demonized. This is not the case in Africa. This is not the case in Asia. This is not the case in South America. This is very specific to westernized Christianity. Because I work with clients from around the world in these countries and cultures.

And when they accept Christ, they immediately go through an exorcism because they understand the spiritual roots that their ancestors. you know, participated in or even their direct parents. So it's a really bizarre, you know, kind of situation being here in the West. Well, let me ask you. So is, is the religion primarily that, I guess, participates in exorcisms is the Catholic, are you a Catholic now? I am not a Catholic. I am a Protestant. I actually attend a Baptist Church. And they don't know I'm an exorcist. And it's unfortunate. But that's not going to be supported by, you know, a Baptist denomination.

They simply just don't believe that this is the case. Now, interesting, though, excuse me, the oldest churches in existence, the Eastern Orthodox church and the Roman Catholic Church, both of these churches go. back to their truth claim is they go back to the apostles and they have apostolic succession, meaning generation by generation, hands are laid on, and they're given the task of carrying on the church, the theology and the oral traditions, right? So this goes back to Christ, the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church. So they have, have exorcism, and they have had exorcism in their denominations from the apostles.

They've never gotten rid of it, and those exorcists are not for people outside of the church. Those exorcists are for church members. So it's a known, a given understanding inside of Eastern Orthodoxy and the Roman Catholic Church, that Christians can have demons. Yeah. So it's, it's, you know, how did we get to the place today and not to go on some historical tangent, but it started with the reformation. You know, when those guys came out, Martin Luther come out of the Roman Catholic Church and had the reformation and then you get into John Calvin and all these guys, they got more

logical about Christianity, more rational, more educational, more of a, you know, university-style teaching, which is awesome. I love that, right? Because I'm analytical. I love that. But not at the, you know, extreme of growing out exorcism. So I believe that's just my own personal opinion that that's how we got where we're at today when you know those um you know when they migrated from europe over here a lot of those guys were calvinists a lot of those guys were uh you know presbyterian and lutheran and they simply i don't know if all those denominations do not believe in exorcism but i'm pretty certain a lot of them yeah don't they don't yeah so you're 19 i think is when you said this kind of started because you had got baptized or saved at 19.

And then the demon possessions began. How did you know they were demon possessions? Like, what was your first experience? Do you remember your first experience? Oh, absolutely. I will remember this till the day I die. I lay down. I was still living with my parents.

I was 19. I laid down on my bed to take a nap. And I woke up and I was in transitional. sleep where I'm conscious but not really conscious, kind of rolling over. And it was at that point, I heard this ancient Babylonian music. It was they were playing tambourines made out of seashells. They were playing this flute that was so ancient. We don't have anything like that in today's times. They were syncopating rhythm with drums that were made from animal skins. They had this type of wooden instrument with a rake that they were raking up and down on this

maintaining rhythm. So all of these people were playing this instrumentation, and I knew they were summoning something. This was a ritual they were performing. And I knew this was not good. and something was coming, and it was coming to me. And about that time, a demon appeared at the bottom of my bed, and it gave me demonic sleep paralysis where I simply could not move.

And I'm looking at it, and it's looking at me. I could see it clearly. Their colors aren't anything, and we hear this often with people that near-death experiences that come back. Like, we can equate the colors to what we have today. They're just, you know, no real match to them because they're so enhanced. But. And are you talking about the colors of like the flesh of this thing or what?

Yes, yes. The best thing I can say is it looked, I don't know, it had armor on. It was shimmering. resembled a little bit of green, so to speak. But him and I had a very clear understanding. And my spirit, and that understanding is we're at war. And my spirit inside of me became enraged. That's the only way I can describe it.

And I remember, and telepathically, because I couldn't open my mouth, telling this thing, you're going down. Like, I started coming up off my bed to reach my arms out. This is what I wanted to do, but I couldn't. But it knew I was coming for it. I was so angry. I'd never, and it wasn't our anger. It was a righteous anger inside of me, this, this warrior that rose up. And it was saying, how dare you? You are going. down. So about that time, it jumped on me and started choking me. And I just said, I'm going to die, because I literally could not breathe. So the only thing I knew to do was cry out to Jesus. I mean, I just became a Christian. I'm dying. This thing's choking me. I mean, seriously, I am starting to

black out. So I start to say the name Jesus, and I couldn't get my mouth open. And this happens to many people, and some of you listening, I know you've experienced this. So I'm saying, in other words, Jesus, but my mouth won't open. And then a little bit of my right side of my mouth open, and I'm Jesus, Jesus, right? And as I began to get that out, its grip on me begin to weaken. And it grabbed me, and we fell to the floor. And this is why I was explained. earlier. And the nightstand falls over, the lamp, the lights, the alarm clock. And this thing and I are rolling on the ground, I fighting each other. And the whole time I'm saying, you know, trying to get Jesus out. And eventually I get it out. Jesus! And I screamed it and I threw this thing off me.

And I remember getting up wanting to go after it. And I could not because it left. But that, I just remember standing there so angry, wanting to get this thing. And that experience was the first experience I had. And I will never forget that. Wow. And let me ask you, because I know probably people are going to automatically ask, you know, how was your childhood, by the way? Because, you know, it was funny because when I said I was going to have you on,

there was a lot of people on Telegram was like, Hey, ask him about his childhood. Like, how was his childhood? Like, where does he think the demon possession even came from? Oh, this is great. I love it. Here's the, here's what's even more interesting to my story. I was a social work major for two and a half years before I transferred at university

to computer programming. And I transferred there to be more marketable. Because where I lived, we had social workers graduating who were blind and they hadn't found work in my area for four years. So I didn't want to change, but I did. But I learned about family systems. I learned about dysfunction within families. I learned active listening, how to listen to people. So I have, I studied all the, you know, foundational psychological theories of Rogerian. and Stigman Freud and all of these developmental stages.

So I was very well trained and versed in childhood and family systems. And interestingly, this is one of the main things that I cover on my podcast, childhood trauma. Number one way demons enter people, whether it's rape, molestation, incest, neglect, abuse, abandonment, on and on. And so when I meet with people, and you guys listening, you can listen to the podcast. And here, we always talk about childhood. Every guest, see, I take people through exorcism, and then I have them come on to the podcast

and share their before and after story. Yeah. And so these are really case studies. is what they are. So huge part of my ministry is trauma and childhood. It always starts in childhood. So, yes, I was sexually molested at, I think it was age seven, five, six, seven, somewhere near by a neighborhood boy. And demons entered through that. I also made a blood covenant with him, as crazy as this sounds, this is, I believe this came out of the 70s, the whole like hippie movement where you, you became blood brother.

Yeah, yeah. I've done that, yeah. So I cut my thumb, he cut his thumb, and we squeeze out blood, and we made a vow. We smeared our thumbs together and made a vow. Any time you bring blood and a vow together, you're going to get demons. So I make this vow, basically, I got your back, I got my back. But what that really was doing was solidifying the possession even deeper. Okay?

So that is one way demons entered me. But the pro, and, you know, I played with the Ouija board. I had been around a stay-ons. What else? Some drugs, you know, because that opens your mind to demons, hallucigenics or, you know, marijuana and all this kind of stuff. But that's a whole other topic. But so these were just present day entry points.

But really where my demons came from were generational curses from my bloodline passed out. What is your bloodline? German and Irish. German and Irish as well. Yeah. And so I always encourage my clients, if you've had a DNA test run, give me the result. because in my training, I've been trained on all these cultures. Remember, I said, Dr. Larson's done over 50,000 exorcisms in 100 countries.

He's well-versed in the deities, the spiritual practices of these countries. And so I got my own DNA ran. I knew I was German and Irish, but I wanted to see what else I had in there. You know, so that's my ancestry. So the Druids, the Irish. had a lot of demons passed down through my bloodline through that. And so you have the first experience. How much more does it go on throughout, you know, from 19 on?

Is it every night? Is it occasionally? Initially it was weekly, several times a week. Then eventually it was monthly and then eventually, you know, every two, three months. And it pretty much was like, you know, that for the rest of my life until, I went through my actual exorcism. I was married. This is interesting part of my story to a licensed clinical counselor. So me and my wife at the time, Judy, which by the way, her and I tell our story on the podcast. So if you're ever interested in listening to that, you can listen to me and my ex-wife's story.

We flush it all out, how the demons influenced our marriage, how they destroyed it. It's excellent. But she was a licensed clinical counselor. So we're, I understand psychology and I understand trauma. And I work with Christian therapists and psychologists as part of the team to help clients who have mental health conditions in addition to demons. Yeah. So it's, it's awesome.

Yeah. And that's a good question. And I got a couple questions, but how can you, you know, when you're working with client, how can you determine whether or not someone is mentally ill versus they are actually possessed? And are there two different things? Because you think about these people, you hear these news stories all the time where someone, a loving father, it seems, for years and years and years, has four or five kids,

a loving wife. One day he snaps and kills his entire family. We've been hearing about that quite often. Like, are those just mental illnesses where people snap? or could they also be demon possessions? And what's the difference? Yeah, that's a great question. It's a thing that I deal with daily and my social work background, plus being married to the therapist, really has helped me with that, plus my training with Dr. Larson. You know, he was trained by therapists to deal with disassociative identity disorder.

that was a huge part of my training. So as an exorcist, there are ways to determine if someone has mental health conditions. On my intake questions, I ask them, you know, have you been diagnosed with any mental health conditions? Do you see a therapist? Are you on medication? And they are very honest because when people come see me, they specifically, they specifically. everything because they want free. There is no, I'm holding this back. I'm not going to tell,

no, no, no. I'm telling you, these people are so brave, bold and courageous. I just love it. I'm like, you go, girl, or you go guy, like when I see their intake questions come in, I'm like, you want freedom. So they just tell, you know, I've bipolar disorder or generalized anxiety disorder or, right, so there's that. But what do you do? do if someone comes and doesn't disclose that. And that's where training comes in. So someone, for example, that has schizophrenia, they're going to hear voices externally outside of their mind. So they're going to hear a voice on the outside. When somebody has demons, they are internal in your mind. That's interesting. And so I guess that's the difference too, is like how do you, you know,

how do you even know even when people are diagnosed with bipolar? Like how do we not know that maybe they're not bipolar? Maybe they're possessed. Oh, that's a really good question. I have people come to me all the time. And my heart goes out to because I'm a very compassionate person. This is why I do this. I don't want anyone to suffer as long as I did.

I think it was 38 years before I found Dr. Larson, who took me through my exorcism sessions. And so when somebody comes to me, how I explain it to them is this. Okay, you have officially been diagnosed with bipolar disorder. This could be an authentic, genetic disposition that you have. Yeah. Or it could be induced by demons, or it could be a combination of both. you have genetic bipolar disorder and demons are leveraging that to torment you. And I tell the client, how will we know which it is?

Well, when we are done with the exorcism, if the bipolar symptoms subside, you know they were demonically induced. If they remain, you know it's genetic. Yeah, it's kind of like if you're sick and you take antibiotic and the same. symptoms don't go away, well, that's probably a viral infection, not bacterial. Exactly. What do you actually do during an exorcism? I may, I strap people down so they can't crawl up the wall backwards. I make them wear a neck brace so they can't twist their head around, you know, like on the

exorcist movie. But you're laughing, but you're laughing about it, but does that happen? Well, rarely. Okay. exorcism is very, very similar to therapy. Now, I should say the way I've been trained. Okay, it's very, because, so to answer your question, Sherry, it's very similar to therapy. I spend a lot of time with people up front taking a lot of notes.

I tell people, I am a spiritual forensic scientist, and I'm coming on to a crime scene. And that crime scene is your life. So I'm going to be asking you a lot of questions and taking notes, because what I'm doing is I'm dusting for fingerprints of demons. And I'm pulling in data to look for patterns to identify demonic entry points, patterns of demons, generational curses resting on your life, and so forth. So when we get to the actual exorcism process, I lead them through specific prayers based on the data that I pull in. And sometimes there are demonic manifestations.

Demons come up. The eyes dilate black. The voice changes. And that's just part of being an exorcist, you know. And when that happens, it doesn't happen all the time, but it does happen. You know, demons come up. Eyes dilate completely black. You're looking into, you know, pitted eyes that are bottomless.

And how I know this is because I work with sighted exorcists as well. Yeah. Just people are thinking, how does this blind guy know this, right? So that does happen. The voice changes in I have the training on, you know, how to deal with that and kind of work through it. But, yeah, so exact. Go ahead. No, I was just going to ask you.

So I want to get into as well. I've done a lot of research, a lot of studying on the Bible. And especially since all of the UFO talk has happened, the interdimensional stuff that everybody's talking about, you know, we've had this now new administration, the Trump administration, start to want to disclose more information about aliens and UFOs. But before we even get to any of that, one of the things I've studied pretty heavily is one Enoch. You know, I read through that. I read a lot of scholars that have read through it and then also compared and contrasted to, you know, not just the Old Testament, but the Bible in its entirety. You know, if you read one Enoch, in my opinion anyways, with the Watchers and the Fallen Angels,

and I don't know what your belief is on all of that. But to me, it genuinely explains demons. And number two, you know, the Old Testament throughout talks about demons, you know, that abound the earth. And it talks about their influence. I want your opinion, just for everyone listening, are demons a real genuine force and thing that we just cannot see? Sometimes you can see.

And maybe sometimes you can, uh, like, like you were talking about. And do you think it has anything to do with one Enoch or specifically what the Bible talks about? I don't know how much you've dove in the Enoch. Yeah. The Neflam, the watchers, all that. Yeah. Those are hot topics. People love that. Yeah, for sure. So I'll share some thoughts on that with you. Okay, so as far as where do demons come from? Well, when we look at Christ's ministry, a lot of his ministry was exorcism, right? So he's casting out demons. And it's interesting that. that, you know, like in the book of Matthew, where they bring a man to him that was deaf and

blind, and Jesus expels the demon, and the man could both hear and see. Yeah. So this tells us that demons can cause physical complications. So I'm bringing this up because I'm always going to come back to the Bible and say, look, Jesus cast out demons, right? We don't, it's not clearly stated where they came from, just to be honest. You know, theologians want to say in Revelation, the great dragon or the third of the stars came with them and fell, and they say that's Satan and a third of the angels fell and they became demons and that's where demons came from. Then there's the other camp that says in the book of

Enoch when the flood came, you know, and the watchers and all that, and they died and lost their bodies or the Roman earth, and they crave a body. Yeah. So there's that camp. To me, as an exorcist, that, that, I'm not interested in that. Here's why. I know how to get rid of them. I don't need to know where they came from, right?

Right? And I know that they're real. and where they came from, I don't care. Jesus cast them out, and, you know, I have the training to assist and help people cast them out. But with that being said, it is interesting. It is very interesting to hear both sides. I really don't have an opinion either way. I know that's not what you were looking for.

But I honestly don't. That's just a kind of person I am. I'm pretty open, right? So it's like, okay, this is cool. Like this whole Enoch thing, that makes sense. Yeah. And perhaps maybe the dragon with the third of the stars. I mean, maybe that's it as well.

You know, so we don't know. But I know a lot of Christians do believe more on, you know, the book of Enoch where, you know, that whole thing there is where Dennis came from. So have you ever performed an exorcism and it didn't work the first time and you had to do it many times? Yes, because it depends on the client. it depends way on the client like people come to me but they have to be in the right position so for example if somebody comes to me for exorcism and they've not been through therapy for the traumas they've experienced in life as an example with men right so maybe you have a female come see me that's 35 years old she's been raped her father was abusive she's been through spiritual abuse and

church. So God is mean. Men are mean. She hates men. But she knows she has demons. So she finds this blind exorcist sky. She comes. But she's walled up. And you have to respect that boundary. She doesn't trust me. She doesn't know who I am. She hates men. She's not been through therapy. She's not going to get free. Yeah. Right? Because she's walled up. And so, yes. And I share with people that, you know, exorcism is not the first best step for you for where you're at in your healing journey. You have to go get this worked on with a credible therapist, a trauma therapist. You have been through so much trauma. Yes, you have demons.

But you have to get to a place where you're emotionally stable enough to where you can trust the exorcist and work cooperatively in order. to get free. Does that make sense? It does. And I have another question. When you talk about demons, are they external as far as are they here in our world? Are they interdimensional? And when they do possess somebody, what does it mean? You know what I'm saying? Like, what, what is it could be? Like, is it a physical form? Is it a spiritual form? Like, what is a demon? Well, those are really good questions. So looking at the Bible, we see manifestations of demons in people. Right? So when we read the Bible, we can see that when they manifest, they scream and yell, as an example.

Right? That doesn't tell us what they look like. That doesn't, right? They have supernatural strength. So when Christ got out of the boat and the land of the gatherings and you know, the man possessed in the tombs, they bound him with chains and he broke him. So demons bring supernatural strength as well to a person. And, you know, so this guy was possessed with Legion, which was the name of the spirit, and there's many demons in the sky.

And so he breaks these chains. But we never get a visual representation other than when they're inside of them. person. But what I can tell you is, yes, they are here on the earth. Satan is not here on the earth. Yeah. He's in the second habit. You guys can Google that and research it and read up on it. He's got all his worker bees down here. He doesn't need to be down here. He has high ranking spirits.com and report to him. But these are entities that roamed earth seeking. a body. They have an appetite to be inside of a person. And when I say inside of a person, I'm talking as a Christian, if you're listening and you're a Christian, your spirit has been given

to Christ. The Holy Spirit comes inside of your spirit. You are safe. But your soul, your emotions, how you feel, your thoughts, how you think. That's what I call the soul. demons reside there. And that's why all of the sudden you have thoughts hit your head, jump out the window and kill yourself. Or you have emotion surface inside of you out of the blue, like uncontrollable lust. You can't just hit you all the sudden. Well, that could be a sign of having demons. Right. So they reside in the soul, your emotions. how you feel, your thoughts, how you think, or your physical body. Those are where they, those are where demons reside. So, but to answer your question, we don't have physical descriptions in the

actual Bible of what they look like, but as an exorcist, I can tell you they can shape shift and look like whatever they want. I've worked with clients where a little girl comes in dancing in the room. Well, it's a demon that's been transferred into that. that form to deceive. I work with people from Africa where the ancestors come in their dreams and feed them food, and that passes on generational curses. So they can take any form. I've worked with clients where, you know, they wake up and they see the alien with the eyes and the, right? Hey, I cast demons out of people, aliens out of people all the time. Let me ask you this, too, because this is, I think, is an important question that goes right along with it.

There's a lot of people that say that they can communicate with spirits. Do you think all spirits are demons, are devil, or are there good spirits? Or what do you think about that whole aspect? Well, you know, obviously I have a Christian worldview, so thank you for bearing with me. No, you're good. I do, too. Okay, so in the book of Deuteronomy, channeling spirits is forbidden. And the reason for that is because God knows that it's destructive.

And I can validate that by the clients I work with who have channeled spirits and have channeled aliens and have their tormented and vexed. So I am saying as an exorcist, and based on the Bible as well, and you can Google this and look up Deuteronomy, there are forbidden practices, witchcraft, sorcery, divination, channeling. This is nothing new. Everything going on today, whether it's Reiki, energy healing, crystals, whether it's, you know, any of these practices. This was going on back in the biblical times. Satan's just brought it down generation by generation. And just like marketing gives it new names, new, you know, whatever.

But at the end of the day, it really is the same practices that go back to the biblical times where God said, don't do these things. These are bad and they're going to harm you. But what if the things come to you and you don't even channel them? Well, you need an exorcism. Here's what I'm saying. If you have entities or whatever. I call demons coming to you, they have a right to do that. Okay? They have a legal right in the spirit

realm. So as an exorcist, and again, I'm going to go back to these critical thinking skills, demons have to have a legal right to come to you. Okay? I'm talking a contract. So, for example, let's say eight years old you're at a sleepover party and this is a very small tiny example I deal with like satanic ritual abuse victims and all that kind of stuff right but for the sake of teaching and coaching you're eight years old you go to a girlfriend's house and six girls and you get the Ouija board out and you play with it right and so in the spirit realm Satan pulls out a contract you put it on the table. And he says, and I'll just use you, Sherry. Thank you for your patience.

I'll just use it. Well, you're using me as a true case. So there you go. Okay. So Satan pulls out a contract and says, Sherry, on August 3rd, 1975 at 633 p.m., come into my kingdom of darkness. She touched the Ouija board. That's my kingdom. And because she's crossed over into my kingdom, I have a legal right to vex her. Satan signs the contract. And so do you, unknowingly, at eight years old. So that's a legal right. And that stays with you for your life. And so that's a legal right that Satan will use, demons will use to come and do whatever they want to to you, whether it's a visitation, whether it's demonic dreams, whether it's anxiety and panic attacks, whether it's all the sudden depression hits you and suicide, whether it's isolation

where you can't get out of bed. This all ties back to legal rights and vexing. Now, those legal rights as an exorcist is what I help people break through simple prayers of renouncement. I renounce. I renounce using the Ouija board at eight years old with Sally, Jessica, and Amber. And I cut that off from me through the authority of Christ. That's weird that's her mom's name, by the way, Sally. So it's kind of strange. So you deal with that renouncement. You break that legal right.

And then as an exorcist through the authority of Christ, those demons are expelled. So keep this in mind about the legal right because there are present day legal rights of things we do. And there are generational curses that pass on down through your bloodline that brings a legal right to you at birth. Yeah, that's that's wild. And, you know, do you think with all this talk, and I go back to UFO, things but we we have been at the very least seeing more lights in the skies more pilots are coming forward more more whistleblowers are coming forth that have you know top security clearances and they're saying hey i've worked with biologics i've worked all these things yeah you know what is

your thoughts on aliens in general like do you believe there is other life forms outside of this world that are something that we did not know about up until you know i guess recently although So, you know, if you look back historically, there's a lot of talk about things that don't make a lot of sense. And even there are things in the Bible that don't necessarily make 100% sense as far as the way it was explained. But do you believe there are other life forms in this galaxy that we don't know about you as a Christian from your perspective? I do not. And I believe that aliens are demons because, like I said, I cast about a people because they channel them. and they come after they're tormented and vexed and come, you know, to get freed from these things.

And so I will share a personal opinion on this. And this is from a Christian worldview. I think we're going to see a lot more of this. I think we're going to see an increase of aliens. I think we're going to see an increase of visitations now in my Christian worldview. these are demons. But why is there such an increase of this happening? Well, the concept in Christianity is the rapturing or taking away of the church. If this happens and you have millions of people around the world suddenly drop over dead, they have to have an answer for that. Yeah. And the aliens are going to say they had to go. They were not part of the elite race.

You guys who are here are and welcome. We are going to increase our, you know, energy. We're going to have this one unified, beautiful existence now that all of these people who weren't enlightened are gone. So my personal opinion is that, oh, yes, these alien visitations, the UFOs, because somehow you've got to get people to believe a lie when all of these Christians are raptured. And again, thank you for your patience. I'm just speaking from the Christian world view.

This is what we talk about all the time too. And so I really think personally that that's what's going to happen. I think that because we can see some of the. this in the literature of these where people channel aliens, that there's a seven golden year coming, which Revelation talks about the seven years and halfway through the Great Tribulation starts, and they talk about a great taking away. So when people channel these aliens and they write, there are these hints and elements of the rapture happening from these higher beings, right, that are being channeled.

And if they're so technologically advanced, why they have to use a human body to write a letter, right? It's like, so that's my personal take on aliens and UFOs. It's fascinating. I get it. You know, people are just fascinated with this, especially. with, like you mentioned, Chad, you know, with President Trump releasing, you know, all of this UFO information and so forth. So I just think that this is a masterful strategy from Satan. I think he's brilliant. He's extremely intelligent. And I think that this is going to work.

I think that when the rapture happens, that people are just going to be like, yeah, they were taken out by the aliens and now we're it. You know, we're it. We're the master race and, you know, and so forth. So, yeah. Justin, I know, I think I know how you're going to respond to this question, but I still want to ask you, what are your beliefs in psychics or people that can see the future or dream about the future or people that say that they're psychic? Yeah. First of all, let me start by saying they're not bad people. They're good people. They're very compassionate people, and they want to help people. I work with psychics. I work with new age practitioners all the time. And new age practitioners come see me. I offer a free 20-minute consultation

on my website. They come see me because they know I'm chill. They know I'm not judgmental and I'm not critical of them, but they have questions, you know, and so they'll come and I'll meet with them and we'll talk. And the spiritual giftings that people have, where they can be a psychic or any other spiritual giftings that they have, actually are a counterfeit to the spiritual giftings that God has for a person. And so, yes, unfortunately, that when people tap into these, that these really come down to generational witchcraft courses passed on where the third eyes been opened and people can see into the spirit realm. And so this goes back to witchcraft. And so the people that come to me that want out of Reiki Energy Healing, Psychic, I mean,

listen, when people come see me and all this stuff and they list out everything they've been involved in, it's 50 plus practices minimal, right? Why is that? Why is it that someone can't find one or two practices to bring them lasting peace? Yeah. And in the New Age arena. Why is that? Well, I share this often during interviews as food for thought for people who practice, you know, these types of things is here's how this works from an exorcist perspective. You have unresolved trauma and you're hurting. All of us do. We want relief. Many of us have been betrayed in life. We've been wounded deeply. And so we want something spiritual to help us. So as an example, somebody goes and sits down and lights a candle and they begin to meditate and do breath work and they start to tap into

universal consciousness as an example and they start opening up to other realms and so as they're doing this the demons that they have that entered through trauma right so we have someone who's traumatized and demons enter through trauma they don't know this though because they tried all the therapy and everything, and it has work. So now they're in spirituality. They're sitting in front of this candle. They've opened up to universal energy, maybe communicating with ascended masters. And Satan says to the demons who enter through the trauma, back off of her. Let her feel peace. And all of a sudden, this woman feels peace. or this man feels peace. And he says, this worked. Now, this is practice one. So follow me here.

Yeah. Oh, this worked. I found something to help me feel at peace. And by participating in this, in the ascended masters, universal conscious, they get more demons. They don't know this, though. Okay. So five days later, Satan says vex them. Boom. All of a sudden, the depression comes in, the trauma, the anxiety attacks, and now they need something new. So now they're going to try healing crystals. So they buy a bunch of healing crystals. They get these crystals and they begin to work with them. And yet again, Satan says to the demons who enter through the original traumas in this person's life, back off. Let them feel peace. So the crystals have worked. All right. this is wonderful. I feel at peace. Oh, thank God, I finally found something. Now they've gotten more

demons because they've opened themselves up to more from the crystals. And this pattern repeats. This is how. And then eventually what happens, they're looking for the golden thread. So every practice they put on their plate, like at a buffet. Number one, it's because they want trauma pain to go away. And second, they're looking for this golden thread that's going to weave all of these practices together. And this is what's so sad to me as an exorcist. And again, I just want to clarify, these are not bad people. These are compassionate, kind, tender-hearted people that really care. They want to help themselves. They want to help other people. But eventually after 50, 40, 60, 100, whatever, All of these practices, they don't find lasting peace and they're tormented.

Yeah. And after all of that, they turn to Jesus Christ as a last-ditch effort. And they become a Christian. And all of those practices, all of those demons begin to torment them, whether it's demonic sleep paralysis, visitations, suicide, thoughts, all this. And then they come to me. And they come and they do the intake questions. They fill everything out. I sit down. There's 50, 60 of these practices. And I sit down through the compassion and mercy of Jesus Christ and just gently work with these people to help them get freed

and actually obtain lasting peace. Not temporary. peace that keeps going away. But Christ brings this lasting internal peace. This is why as a blind person in life, I have peace. I don't make this up. This comes from Christ's spirit living in me. I have peace. I have joy. People say it to me all the time. Why are you happy? You like your life's miserable. You're blind. And I'm like, no. No, it's actually quite wonderful because, A, I got rid of my demons. so I have clarity of mine. It's interesting. One thing I noticed for you guys listening after my actual exorcism,

I went through 14 months of exorcism sessions with Dr. Larson. My possession was very severe. And through my exorcism sessions, most people are not this severe, just for the record. Yeah. A couple sessions in their fine. I think the amount of training I went through with Larson going through, mind was just remarkable. But here's one thing I noticed. My mind for the first time ever was quiet. And I remember sitting in my lazy boy, and I could not believe that this is how my

mind was supposed to be. There was no chatter. It was quiet, calm. And I remember laughing and laughing so full of joy because I'm like, this is actually how my mind is supposed to be? I can't believe it. And so that's a tremendous benefit to becoming a Christian and going through exorcism as you get a quietness in your mind. I don't have to meditate for hours. I was in Therafought of Buddhism, Thai forest tradition for five years. Well, that's what I was going to ask you real quick. And I know Chad wants to go on to his question. But what do you do when you are working with somebody that is not a Christian and they don't want to become a Christian?

What if they're Jewish? What if they're a Buddhist? What if they're Hindu? Yeah. The only thing that keeps demons out is Jesus. So if they're not ready, that's fine. You know, there's no pressure. Like, I don't pressure people.

I have younger. Like I said, I'm 54. I have younger people come to me often that are exploring, you know, like healing journeys. And so as an example, I had a young man come to me from Sweden. And, you know, he was not a Christian, but he just wanted to meet with me to talk. And, you know, and he wanted to know, could I get rid of these entities? And I said, well, they would have to obey Christ and leave, but there's nothing to keep them out. They're just going to come back in. You know, so I said, you know, when you're done exploring, if you feel that Jesus Christ and Christianity is an option for you, I'm here.

Yeah. I'm here. You know, because there are people out there that'll cast demons out of anyone, right? But it's a controversial topic, actually. Protestant exorcism, but I'm kind of on the side of caution. Yeah. Because the Bible says that if you cast, this is in the gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, if you cast demons out of a person, they go away for a bit and they come back and they look at the house, meaning the person's soul. And if it's not filled with Christ, then the spirit,

that left are going to bring seven more with them more wicked than the first group that were cast out. Don't get caught up on the numbers. It's the concept. You know, seven more wicked, right? It's the concept. If you expel demons out of somebody and they're not a Christian and those demons come back, they're going to bring more with them and they're going to enter that person and their condition is going to be worse than it was than what it was in the beginning. Yeah. No, that makes sense. And, you know, some you had said earlier because, you know, on this podcast,

Sherry and I both have struggled, I guess, spiritually quite a bit. Sherry more so, I guess, than I. Sherry came from more of a Jewish household or brothers Jewish. And so for me, from a Christian perspective, right, I grew up in church, although probably 18, 19, 20. kind of that up until 25. I got away from religion or God completely, actually. Sure. Myself included.

And honestly, it wasn't really until the past like six years that I decided that I was going to go on a journey to try to figure out what was true and what was not. And I think partially this podcast helped me with that because as I saw everything around me in my worldview, a lot of it was a lie. And to be honest, I didn't necessarily, when I got away from it. from God and Jesus. I didn't think that the Bible was a lie. I just didn't care. And so I was just like, you know, I don't care. Once I started caring about the Bible, once I started wanting more answers, you know, I looked at everything. I looked at, you know, the Quran. I looked at, you know,

other people's religions and including, including my own. And the one thing I have 100% concluded is that in my mind, in my belief structure, is that Jesus absolutely, in my mind is a savior. I think he did die for us. I think I believe 100% all those things. I think there's almost more evidence for all of what was taught about Jesus than there is about a lot of things as far as historically and biblically. But the one thing that I have struggled with over the past two years or I guess somewhere around there is just a simple fact that I, as you said earlier, the fact that the typical Christian church, you know, they kind of shy away. from exorcism. They don't want to talk about it.

They don't want to talk about the issues that may either make you look crazy or get into the realm of politics. And so over the past two or three years, I think I have established at the very least that I am a pre-preterist, right? Do you know what that is? I'm not familiar with that term. Help me out. So like a full on preterist is they believe that full preterist believes that all of the

in times scenarios have already happened, right? So Jesus coming back. taken of the people like everything okay i'm a pre i'm a pre pre pre preterist in in the way that i believe that you know when like for the great tribulation for example referring to the suffering the jewish people is is what i believe that means right or um you know the book of revelation was fulfilled in my opinion in the first century when they were identifying rome and like nero caesar and his persecution on christians and in a lot of this other but what i what i do at the very least as a pre pre preterist believe is that the visible bodily second coming of Christ is still to come. I think the resurrection

of the dead is still to come. I think the final judgment is still to happen. And I think the creation of the new heavens and the earth is still to happen. I just believe that a lot of the in time stuff that we hear today has already happened back in one, you know, before the first AD. My saying to all this is that I've just seen over the past year or two that it feels like to me the Christian church in general, whether it's, you know, Baptist or Presbyterian or whatever the denomination is, is, has been either taken over or deceived in a lot of ways. And I get that because over the past, you know, three, four years, I've read book after book after book from everybody I can possibly read, plus the Bible. And my question always comes back to this. Like, even when I read one

Enoch and although one Enoch is not included in the 66 books, I think it's a very important book. It is, you know, people don't read two and three Enoch because it was written after the fact. So, you know, it was like a, it was like a book that was kind of, I don't want to say anything to Mormons, but, you know, like the book of Mormon was a new addition to the Bible. And I do think Enoch should have been included. But I just feel like the, I feel like the Christian church in large part is deceived today. And when we talk about demons and we talk about Satan's influence, well, if you go back historically, even with Nero Caesar, where, you know, there are a lot of people pre-preterists that believe that Nero Caesar was technically the Antichrist, whereas he made everyone believe that he was the God. And if you did not, if that's literally the reason why he started killing all the Christians once they started finding all these Christians that were worshiping Jesus.

and it was at that time there were certain people that helped Nero and the Romans go find the Christians and persecute them in the circus, as they used to call it. But either way, I feel like there's just, there's a disconnect with the Christian church today. I feel like that in the same way that I believe Satan influenced and used rulers back then, such as Nero, and a lot of these very horrific rulers, I feel like today, I don't think we've ever seen more satanic influence in leadership. And I'm not saying that because look, we actually voted for Trump three times. And the funny thing about that is, is that I have completely shifted my belief on like,

I almost feel like what, like what happened to the person I thought we were voting for, or at least some of the concepts we voted for like America first and all this stuff. I'm like, what happened to any of that? And then you look at all these other situations like for, and I don't want to get too political. But like, you know, nowadays it's like Christians and the church, they believe that this Israel, this government is the ones that the Bible is talking about specifically. And so that's why it's okay to do all these things. I just feel like the Christian church has been deceived. And I feel like the Bible specifically talks about satanic influence and a lot of the rulers, even like, like I said, back in Neuros Caesar days.

And I think that we've never, in my opinion, since those days have seen more influence of satanic decodermines. in leadership than we do today outside of then. Is it possible in your mind? Do you believe that, you know, even though I think we disagree a little bit on the end times, because, you know, as we were talking, even though I don't think a ton, but if I believe that the, you know, the visible body of Christ is still to come, I believe the resurrection of the dead is still to come. I believe the final judgment is still to happen.

I do think we're closer to that. And I do think there's more satanic influence in our rulers and leaders today than ever before. Although the Bible does say like the rulers and leaders are not going to be in their positions without me. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they're not satanically possessed. Does that make sense what I'm trying to get at here? I feel like we're close. I understand. Yeah.

Yeah. I understand what you're saying. And two thoughts. Before I touch on the political stuff, back to what you're. saying in your, you know, seeking journey, right, where you were truth seeking and studying and going through different religions. And I think that's important. If you're going to believe in Christianity, you need to use some logic. Yeah. Not always, but we are in an age of information. and there's a lot of bad information out there about Christianity.

There's some good information about Christianity. But from an exorcist perspective, like you were sharing with your journey of exploration and all that, I respect that in people. People have to come to Christianity on their own. And sometimes that means people. people have to go explore. That's why back to the young man I was explaining about from Sweden. You know, I told them, go go explore and I'm here. You know, if you come to Christianity as, as the solution for your life, come on back, right? So I, I'm a little bit unique in that sense that,

you know, I'm not going to push people into Christianity. That's not my job, right? And, and I respect people where they're at. All of us are hurting. All of us have been through trauma. All of us have been disillusioned around religion. I mean, why do you think people are atheists, right? It's, yeah, right? Religion is messy.

True. People are messy. Life is messy. So we got to figure this out. And so, you know, I'm just excited that you took that journey. and you came home. Yeah. You know, you came back.

So, and politically, can politically leaders be satanically influenced? I mean, I think that's just self-apparent in history. Yeah. Right? Hitler. Yeah. Right? I mean, just as an example.

So, yes, absolutely leaders can be influenced satanically. Yeah, that makes sense. And I even think, you know, even although they may be influenced, satanically even Hitler and all the things that happen god knows and puts people in power for whatever reasons that they are in power it's just it's just interesting to me like how things have evolved so quickly and and i feel like you know although yes we do have a mass sharing of information today i think that that's a good thing and a bad thing i think it leads people the wrong way but i think if you use it correctly it can lead people to the right things if you are

awake enough and i say awake because i it's just trying to decipher through all of the BS on the internet now is so hard, especially for our podcast. And that's why when we do shows, like we'll, we'll tell you what the new theory is and we'll let you decide on what you believe. We'll give you the best evidence for that theory. Sure. But we're not going to be like, this is absolutely positively 100% the way it is. Because that would be a lie and we don't know.

Yeah, exactly. And I think that, you know, demonic possession is becoming more. I mean, do you think the demonic possession, I think we kind of talked about this briefly earlier, but do you think it's more, do you think it's happening more today than it was, say, even 20 years ago? I do because culturally, you know, it used to be 20 years ago, 30 years ago, if you were Wiccan, you know, that was done behind closed doors, right? and, you know, in today's culture, anything goes. Yeah. So I can go to Starbucks today and sit down with a warlock and just talk to them, you know, like you and I are talking. Yeah, I went to school with a warlock.

And I was in school to be a teacher, an elementary school teacher. Yep. Yeah, exactly. And so this is what I'm saying. This is why I'm saying it's more. Oh, got you. Yeah, it's a male, male witch, yeah. So, yeah, I think there's an increase of it. I think, I think from an exorcist perspective, I think Satan is working over time because the end is drawing near.

I believe we are, personally, I believe we are living in the last days. The decline of the church here is alarming to me. I think if you listening are really interested in exploring Christianity, I encourage you to go back and study the history of the Christian church. Not so much Joe Smith's YouTube channel or, you know, Jennifer Williams, YouTube. I'm making these names up, by the way. I have no clue. But don't learn from YouTube videos. learn from church history. Okay. So my sons, I have three sons. They're in their early to mid-20s, and they have left Protestantism because of the reasons you're sharing, Chad. You know, it's just very disillusioned. Yeah. And they have became Eastern Orthodox. And I'm not Eastern Orthodox,

but it's been a sincere blessing to watch my young men really get into the history of the church. And as they studied this history, they just fell in love with it. Yep. Because it was factual, it was historical. And it was, you know, you can, they just loved it. And I remember watching this Eastern Orthodox priest. he was being interviewed, and they asked him, why do you think all of these young people in their early 20s, say 18 to 30, are coming out of Protestantism into Eastern Orthodoxy, and he said

the history. Yeah. They love the history of the church. They are not, you know, they don't have deep training on that. And that's why they're coming to love it. So that's my encouragement to people. I'm not saying become Eastern Orthodoxy, but that's really where the Christianity goes back to. The foundational, yeah.

The foundational is Eastern Orthodoxy. And then out of that, there was a separation of schism and Roman Catholicism started. And so they have very, very similar practices. And then out of Roman Catholicism came the Reformation and all of those denominations that came out. So it's fascinating history. That's my encouragement. You study the history, not hundreds of YouTube videos from people who may lead you astray. Yeah. And you know what? The funny thing, when you say that is one of the things I made sure to be very careful of as I was starting to learn again was getting Bibles that, because there's a lot of people as like, hey, I want to get in

Christianity, but I want to buy a Bible that explains it to me. And you got to be very careful of that, because the explanations themselves can completely misconstrue what the Bible is actually saying. Sure. And I think that in large part there are a lot of churches doing that. I think that if you had a seminar where you brought in these people that had various versions of the Bible, especially the explainer versions, and then you read the Bible as it actually says what it says. And then you ask them, hey, what do you think about this verse? They're going to be like, well, I think this means this.

and even though you go back and read the actual verse, and it almost sounds like it means nothing like what they believe it says. And somehow they've made it into something completely different. And this is what my kids, I mean, I debate them all the time because I'm Protestant, right? So we have good debates. We love it. But this is one of the main complaints they have is that after, the Reformation, you can just, this is their thoughts, not mine by the way, but you can just see the

division. I don't believe in that, so I'm going to make this up and become this denomination. And then out of that denomination, well, I don't like what you said about that. I'm going to make up this denomination. And so then they get further and further away from the original church and it gets crazy theology. Whereas an Eastern Orthodoxy, that institution, their truth claim is they go back to the apostles. This is what they claim. And so the oral traditions and the theology have been passed on. I mean, my sons tell me that the church that Paul established and I think Thessalonica and maybe Corinth, are still there today. Yeah.

Literally. And so this is why they chose to go into this Eastern Orthodoxy because of the consistency. There is no like making things up theologically, right? And so that I would love to ask your sons, especially since they study the history, is like one of one of my biggest things is a Schofield Bible in particular because You know, the Schofield Bible, which is really what created Zionism and that kind of whole movement was kind of like it, those notes from Schofield, which was a criminal. He was not a good person whatsoever, actually, but those notes that were popularized, it basically popularized dispensationalism, which basically taught that the biblical Israel and Christian church have separate roles. And it was just a whole new thing.

And still to this day, a lot of Christian churches teach a lot of concepts based on the Schofield Bible. And it's like, and it's funny because Christian churches say, oh, well, you can't believe in Mormonism. You can't believe in this because these are different Bibles. But the reality is there are so many different types of Bibles like this that preach based on notes and theology. Well, and you also have to consider, too, that they were all translated from a different, you know, from Hebrew into different languages. Yeah, but even that. the translation, the meaning could have been construed. Yeah, maybe 100%, but, you know, but even beyond the translation, you then once you started

actually having people put what they said it meant versus what you read, like, you know, there's a difference in translating from Hebrew to English and then also like someone at the bottom of a book. Yeah, but translations don't get, get, they're not done right a lot of times. When you do that on like Google, for example, if you do the Google language and I'm doing Ukrainian to English, it's not translating it, right? Yeah, not always. I mean, there are definitely different things.

But I do think in most parts, the Holy Bible is translated very closely to what it was. I think so. Yeah. You know, and even the study books, I mean, yes, you're going to get theology and thought behind that. You know what I'm saying? So like you and I, Chad, could take a King James Version Bible and call it the Chad. Justin Note Bible, study Bible, and we can go through there and write notes, you know, based on our theological biases and so forth. I don't think that's necessarily bad, as long as

you know the perspective that they're coming from, because let's face it, Christianity is difficult to study. Yeah. You know, it's, I mean, someone brand new to Christianity opens the Old Testament, just starts reading it from beginning to end. Yeah, well, I get it because, like, I'll try to read the Bible. I'm like, what in the heck does this even mean? The old testament is kind of brutal. The wording is so weird. You know, it's not the way we talk nowadays. Sure, exactly.

And so, you know, and, you know, and, you know, speaking of the Bible back to exorcism and all that, it's in Luke chapter four, Satan came to tempt Christ. Now, this is Satan himself, comes to tempt Christ. And that's Satan's number one. weapon is temptation. And Christ fought Satan by speaking scripture. That was it. So Satan would come up and say, change these stones to bread, and Jesus would say, it is written. And he would quote a scripture against that attack from Satan. He did this like three or four times. So when I work with people that I take through exorcism, I tell them, the demons are outside of you, but eventually they'll come back around. They're going to try to regain access.

Don't live in paranoia. We don't walk around like on edge, like demons are everywhere, and, you know, demons are going to get me. And no, just understand that if, for example, you're delivered from addiction, right? So maybe someone goes through an accident. and they were completely addicted to pornography because that's so prevalent with many of the clients I work with. So I said, you know, men and women. You know, this is, pornography is everywhere. It's a huge problem. And so when they're freed from this bondage, the pressure and compulsion, which, by the way, compulsion is a attribute of demons. They love compulsion. So, I explain to people, when you're freed up from this, that intensity of the addiction is going to drop from a 10 to a 3.

Yeah. That's tolerable. So you're still going to be tempted. This isn't a quick fix, and you don't have to struggle in life. No, absolutely. You're going to have to resist. You're going to have to quote scriptures against attacks. And sometimes it's just practical.

Yeah. You know, set your phone down and go outside and go outside. for a jog. You don't need to be flipping through porn, you know, scenes left and right all night. You know, just sometimes you just have, sometimes exorcism is practical. Yeah, for sure. No, it's just weird. And I think that, you know, the more, even though, you know, there are a lot of people getting out of church. And I think that, you know, there's a lot of things happening. I do think there's some, there's, there in a lot of ways is a great awakening. And I think, I think a lot of that. Well, think about Charlie Kirk. I mean, I think that was a great

awakening to bring people to church. Yeah, that. And just truth seeking in general, I think it's kind of interesting because the more the government, the more politicians, the more the experts, the more all of these people lie to us, I think the closer it brings people to God. And I'm seeing that on a everyday basis. It's like the more that we find out that it's almost like so many things are a lie to us today.

And the reality is it is true. And, you know, and I think too, it's like the same way that I say, hey, we vote over Trump three times or whatever the case is. There were so many people because of the way the world is today. And when they looked at Trump and he said all the right things and all these things, you know, a lot of people put their faith in man. And that's the first problem because, you know, the Bible specifically tells you that, you know, and you don't put your faith in man.

You put your faith in me. You don't ever put anyone above me. And there's a lot of people right now that feel disenfranchised. There's a lot of people that feel disassociated. They don't even know, you know, who or what to belong to anymore. And a lot of people are still hanging on no matter what. No matter what someone can do, they're going to hang on. It doesn't matter left or right or whatever the case is.

And I think that we have to start, we have to start trusting in what the actual word and the Bible says, what the Bible actually says. And I truly think, you know, it's weird. It's been a long process for me. I can read and do a lot of things. and I can believe certain things, but until you actually put your true 100% faith in certain things, things are not going to happen. But I'm telling you,

once you actually put faith in things, things will start happening that never would have happened, but you actually have to put effort and faith into believing that those things are going to happen and through Jesus and through God. And I've just witnessed some of those things the past couple of weeks, but it's just, even though the past couple weeks has actually been one of the most depressing, hard times of my life for medical reasons.

but also at the same time, it's shown me a lot of, I guess it's forced me to put my faith in God. And then God started showing me things like, hey, here you go. Here's this. Here's this. Here's this. I'm going to start showing you now, now that you finally are going to care enough to put your faith in me, you know.

And it's like the, a mustard seed can move a mountain, you know, faith of a mustard seed. And that's so true. But the reality is it's different than just believing in God. God and believing what the Bible says and all that, but actually doing the actionable thing of believing and putting your faith and trust, those things are very hard. And for me, it's very hard to trust. Yeah, we're, we're very independent people, right? And we're, and so it's, it's hard for us to let go control, which we're not in control, even though we think we're in control. Yeah, I like what you're saying, Chad, is, is, you know, you're putting forth the effort. And because you're,

you're putting forth the effort in your Christian faith, you're seeing results. And I think this is important just to mention as an exorcist, you know, some clients come to me as though I got a magic wand. And, you know, I'm just going to touch their head with a magic wand and everything's going to go away. They don't have to put forth any effort at all. And it's quite contrary. It's okay. Number one, you need to be in a 12-step program. And to start this, you know, when I work with clients, like you need to put forth effort. The demons have been expelled.

Get in a 12-step program. And plug into a church, start in your Bible, not as religious tasks, but to fall in love with God. Like if you want to communicate with God and understand God, go to a church that teaches traditional Christianity and start reading the body. Like, in other words, you have to put work into this.

Yeah. Right? In order to maintain freedom after you go through exorcism, you have to put in the grind. And people who don't, like, if people who just want a quick fix and they don't want to put in effort afterwards for whatever reason, those demons come back. Yeah, absolutely.

Because they're just, you know. And by the way, so the last question, because we've been on here an hour and a half. But yeah. So do you think, though, that demon possession, like when you say, like, you know, sexual abuse or trauma, do you kind of describe that as like scars on your soul that allows demons to come in? I mean, I know that's like a metaphor, but like opens the door. Yeah, it's something like, why is it those things that allow demons in? I think that's a good analogy that it is a scar.

If somebody, as an example, is... Or a wound and an affection gets in the wound. Maybe that's a better term. Yeah. That's a good analogy. But it doesn't have to happen that way. If somebody, for example, is, say, I don't know, raped at 13, guy or girl. I deal with men all the time who have been raped.

People don't believe that men can be raped, but they... They absolutely can't be. And I don't mean physically held down, but emotionally raped to where they're in a sexual situation that they don't want to have sex, but they're pressured into it, as crazy as that sounds, emotional domination, emotional manipulation. But if in this example someone's raped at 13 and they go to therapy and they have a supportive family for them, change. are they're not going to get demons because that wound's going to be healed.

Yeah. Whereas if someone gets raped at 13 and they don't tell anyone, now they got that open wound, now demons can get in. Yeah, that makes sense. And so most people I work with, they come to me all ages, 20s into 20 to 30, to 30, 34 to 40, 50. First exorcism I ever did. woman, I think she was, if memory serves me, 74, Roman Catholic woman.

She didn't want to wait a year to get an exorcism through the Roman Catholic churches. They have a longer process, which actually has some merit. You know, they have you do physicals, get blood work done, get a psyche vow, all that kind of stuff. So it's not a bad thing, but it's a very slow process to get in to see him. But anyhow, yeah, it's, I lost my train of thought. I apologize. Well, you were talking about the 74-year-old woman, you know, and she didn't want, she didn't want to wait. And was it your first?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I can't remember where I was going with that. It's been an hour and a half. I'm physical half. No, it's all good. I will say, I will say, though, that, you know, the people that I work with, oh, that was the point. Dude, she's 74 years old. She'd ever been to therapy. Wow. And she was raised in the 60s during that whole hippie movement, free sex, free every, you know, all the world religions came over, the Hinduism, but all that time frame. All the witchcraft, all that stuff, right in the 60s came here to America. She's in all of it. That's crazy.

I haven't been to a therapist because I'm just saving my therapist from having to go to a therapist. I read a joke the other day. It was something like, you know, the guy went to the therapy session and he was talking to the therapist and the therapist while and I'm jumping out to one. That is funny, though. Well, anyhow, yeah. Brian, I was just going to say, I mean, Justin, Justin, I was just going to say. Justin, what is what is the best way that people can reach out to you if they feel like that maybe they have, you know, something? Or they're just interested in what you do.

Yeah. Where's the best way? And what kind of, so you have a website, but people can, I guess, go onto your website and actually get help from you or what's the deal? Yeah. So I would encourage people to listen to the podcast first. You can find it on all platforms. Wherever you get your podcast, just search for The Blind Exorcist. And I encourage you to listen to some of the case studies where I interview the people I've taken through, maybe try to find one that mirrors your list.

life, right? And really listen to the podcast. And you can absolutely go to my website. It's Justin D.com. And, you know, you can book an appointment. I offer free 20-minute consultations. And you can get to that justindee.com forward slash help and sign up for a free 20-minute consultation. And if it's a fit, like for us to meet, then we'll meet. And sometimes I'm just not, you know. I'm, I've got to be honest with you. I'm busy and I'm very thankful to be busy. I'm retired.

So I do this part time. It's close to full time, but I call it part time. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. Well, I'm going to download it tonight and listen during my dog walk. Yeah. I am.

I'm going to download your podcast. Say the name again. The blind exorcist. The blind exorcist. That's easy to remember, guys. I'm going to do it tonight. Episode one is called Overcoming the Darkness. That's my story.

Okay. Which I pretty much shared here, but there might be some other details. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Well, I really appreciate you coming on. It was a great conversation. I think that people should definitely go and check out your podcast 100%. And Justin, maybe we'll have to do this again.

Maybe we'll have to do a session. Yeah, do a session with me. Yeah, especially with Sherry. Sherry needs a session. Everybody says that I'm possessed. Or two. Yeah. I'm teasing, Sherry.

I don't even know you. So many. Everybody on Telegram says I'm possessed. And I'm dealing with demons. A lot of people do say that. The other stuff. Yeah. A lot of people say that.

Well, listen to the episodes and you'll, you know, you'll find out. And if I can help you, you know, come see me. I'll be more willing to sit down with you. Are you, do you really want to retire, retire twice, Justin, after talking to her? anyways all right thank you guys for having me on i really appreciate and thank you who have listened i appreciate your time not a problem jason well we'll be in touch for sure and uh like i said appreciate you coming on man it was a great conversation uh but guys that's going to do it for this episode we're

going to close it with even if my heart breaks by loving caliber again what a great conversation go check out the blind exorcist podcast go to his website justin d.com And until next time, guys, we love you. Peace out. Peace out.