Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - The Book of Enoch Explained | Watchers, Nephilim & Humanity’s Forbidden Past

Episode Date: May 6, 2026

In this reuploaded episode from last year, Chad and Sheri sit down with The Bible Sessions Podcast host James for a deep discussion on the mysterious Book of Enoch, the Watchers, fallen angels, the Nephilim, and the forbidden knowledge said to have been given to mankind before the flood. As conversations surrounding UFO disclosure, spiritual deception, ancient entities, and biblical prophecy continue heating up in 2026, this episode feels more relevant now than ever. We explore why the Book of Enoch was removed from many biblical canons, how it connects to Genesis 6, and why so many people believe humanity’s ancient past may be far stranger than we’ve been told. This episode was originally recorded last year, but ahead of tomorrow’s new podcast discussion, we felt it was important to bring this conversation back to the surface.Check out our merch store

Hey guys, quick message before we get into this episode. This episode is from about a year ago where we sat down with James, the very close friend of ours. He's also the host of the Bible sessions podcast. And we talk about the book of Enoch. Now, the reason why that's important and why it's relevant to today, obviously, is there's been some bombshell reports come out over the past couple of days about these pastors that have been meeting in secret with U.S. government officials ahead of this UFO file release, which is supposed to be. supposedly going to happen any day now. Cash Patel just recently today said that they have the files ready for release. They have been delivered to the proper channels. And so we are just waiting now. Now, we are going to do another episode tomorrow covering all of that. But until then, I want you guys to re-listen to this episode where we talk with James about all of the details of the book of Enoch and what we actually think the UFOs could be

and if they relate to the book of Enoch or not. Check it out. Hello, intoxicated, we're on an overpopulated in our street Hello and welcome to Investigator's podcast. I'm your host shout alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry.

On tonight's episode, we take you deep into the forgotten pages of ancient history into a book that was once considered sacred by early Christians and Jews, but later buried by time and controversy. The book of Enoch is what we're talking about, and we're diving headfirst into Enoch one tonight and the mysterious tale of the watchers, those so-called angels who descended to earth and defied divine order. These beings didn't just observe humanity. They interfered.

They taught forbidden knowledge, took human wives, and fathered a race of giants known as the Nephlam, creatures that shook the very foundation. of the ancient world. Why was this book kept out of the Bible? Who were the Watchers really? And could this ancient account explain some of the world's oldest myths, religions, and even modern UFO phenomena? So get ready for a journey into the ancient rebellion, divine judgment, and the secrets buried beneath both scripture and stone. This is Enoch 1, the Watchers, the Nephlem, and the Hidden War for Humanity. Guys, welcome to the show. It is May the 21st, to 2025.

The name of this song is Walking Dead by Wellness. I thought that was a good song to intro the Enoch series. Because when we start talking about giants and the supernatural beings that were the fallen angels from God's, I guess, not necessarily counsel, but they were the sons of God, as many people refer to the watchers. And then we're also going to break down what the Nephlem are. So many people have talked about the Nephlam. And there's a lot of people that have heard the phrase Nephlem, but they don't quite know

what the nephlam are well the nephalm were giants and they were the offspring of the watchers and this story when you hear it it will sound like some type of crazy sci-fi supernatural futuristic type deal maybe it's a movie you've watched maybe it's something that's going to remind you of this but what if this is all actually very true and also on the show tonight we have a very special guest one of our longtime friends and listeners of the show that is james james welcome back to show man Hey, thanks. Great feedback. Yeah, not enough time.

Yeah, you came on the show last time when we talked about the Shroud of Turin. And that show got great numbers. There was a lot of people that love that episode. The Shroud of Turin, if those that do not know what that is, you should go back and listen to that episode. It is essentially, potentially the shroud that Jesus Christ was wrapped in after his crucifixion. But, James, you had told your story about how you became a Christian on that episode. and although this particular episode, we're not going to preach to you or anybody out there. We're literally talking about a book that's not even in the canonical Bible.

But explain again how you actually were led to Christianity because I think it kind of ties in or plays into what we're going to be talking about tonight. Well, after the long research and figuring out the possible truth, let's say that right, about 9-11, I wondered what else we may have been lied about or lied to about or been misled. And so I looked at the Bible. I grew up in church my entire life. So I believed that there was a God, like obviously a higher power. Just looking around, something had to make all this. But I didn't necessarily believe if it was the God of the Bible.

So I figured, sure, a Bible written by humans, that's got to be fallible. There's got to be contradictions all sorts. So I just simply started reading from the very beginning, looking for anything. I was ready and willing to tear it apart. Then I came across the verse. It's actually in Genesis 6. And in those days, there were giants. And so I figured, bam, there it is, nail in the coffin.

It's done it over with. I didn't even make it that far. I just made it into the sixth chapter. So I started doing research on giants, you know, did my due diligence. diligence as a researcher, even though I didn't believe it was true. You still got to double check all the resources. And then after doing the research, I come to find out there actually is evidence that there were giants that roamed the earth.

And we've dug up bones. We've even dug up bones in Illinois. You know, it's kind of incredible. And so that led me even deeper into wondering, all right, what else maybe does the Bible have to say that might actually be true. Yeah, no question. And you had mentioned the giants in Illinois, and then obviously we had had a Giants episode.

I think it was actually kind of a series. We did two or three episodes about giants. And in particular, we talked about the Utah giants in the caves that they found these giant skeletal bones where the Spisonian did whatever they could to completely cover that up. And it wasn't just the Smithsonian that has tried to cover up the existence of giants or giant skeletal bones. It has been organizations around the world. I mean, we're talking about giant bones that have been found in South America or Africa or other places all around the world.

And even in the United States, as you just said, James, where you have these bones not just found in Utah, but also in Illinois, in Tennessee, parts of Ohio. There has been many historical, I guess, stories where it came to Indians that also encountered these massive giants way back in a day, some of the first settlers in our region, they had to come across these giants. And so obviously that was post-flood, right? And one of the big questions about the book of Enoch, which we're going to dive really deep into the book of Enoch or at least Enoch one tonight, the big question is, did the bloodline survive the flood?

That is the biggest question. But we'll get into all of that tonight. Sherry, I know that we both have struggled, obviously, spiritually. And James can definitely tell you that. I promise you. James does that first down. Yeah. And so we do have a telegram, guys.

For anybody who wants to join our telegram, we oftentimes get on telegram many nights, actually, and have live chats. James is always on there with us. And there's a bunch of people that come on. We talk and suss up so much of the stuff we're going to talk about tonight, whether it's about the Bible or the Book of Ineok or, you know, Trump or the Epstein files or Diddy case or what we talk about everything. And the past few days has kind of been a little contentious in our telegram. And I'm actually very happy for that. And the reason I say I'm happy for that is because there are people that have different beliefs. There are people that have different opinions on certain things.

And it's interesting how at times it can be contentious, but we always come kind of back together as a family. We are a family on this podcast. I think so many of our listeners we are so fortunate for because everybody offers a different opinion. And you can kind of take everything and try to figure out and put the puzzle pieces together. Now, James obviously has been very in. He knows the Bible probably better than I know myself or the back of my hand. You know, I mean, this kind of the thing. But Sherry, for you and I, we've always struggled with spirituality.

And, you know, we've talked about it many times on the show. You come from a different background than I do. Obviously, your family was more Jewish. My family was more Christian. You know, I sat in church at 11 and 12 years old and I would listen to the stories that the preacher was preaching. And most of the time is scared to hell out of me. and except for the times when it was talking about good stuff like, oh, heaven, if you're good, you go to heaven.

If you're bad, you go to hell. But I was so young. Right. And I think in some ways, as I got older, a lot of that kind of what I thought was fear mongering in some ways, especially at a young age, especially when you're in the main church, right? And you're 12 years old when you probably should be in Sunday school listening to like, you know, happier, happier stories. But it was one of the things that it kind of led me to eventually turn away.

from God a little bit. But then I also think that's what led me back to God in a way that I wanted to research myself and I wanted to find out for myself, like, let's dig into this. Let's treat it the same way as a conspiracy. And let's see what is the most likely truth or most likely lie. And so we're going to talk about all that as well. But you obviously came from a little different back. Yeah.

And listen, it kind of happened to me too because I snuck to church with my friends because I wanted to go to church with them. I wanted to see what it was all about because they all had so much fun going to church, like youth group hanging out. They got to go to the playground. They got to have fun and snacks. I was like, I want to be there. So I started sneaking to church when I was 11 years old with my girlfriend, Cheryl. And when we were watching the preacher, it did really, I, I really did accept Jesus in my heart when I was 12 years old. And I don't know if I did it out of fear or what. came about me, but it was that whole thing about if you believe in Jesus, you're going to heaven. That's all I heard and that's all I cared about. And I went up to the front of that chapel and I

got on my knees and I said, I accept Jesus. Well, later that night, somehow my dad found out, oh boy, I was in big, big trouble. And your dad was Jewish. Yeah, my dad was Jewish. And he's like, those are freaky Christian people. You will not ever go back there. You're not allowed to go to church. Don't you ever go back there? I was in big trouble. But it also too, because it upset me because I was so, I mean, I had that fear of, oh, my God, I'm going to go to hell if I don't believe in Jesus. And that's not the way I was brought up.

If you go decades later when I was in my early 20s, I moved to the South. And in the South, the proper thing is to go to church. So I was like, well, I'm in the South now. I might as well go to a Baptist Church. So I started going to a Baptist church and what better way to learn about the Bible than becoming a Bible school teacher. So I was a first grade Bible school teacher for a couple years and I was learning alongside with the first graders. I was learning the books of the Bible that just like they were learning, I was learning at the same time. So during this experience, this is what's crazy to me is during this whole time I was in Baptist church and felt like I was living a Christian.

Christian life, not once did I ever, ever hear words like Enoch, Nephlam, watchers, never in church. Did I ever hear that? And I asked you the other night, chat. I'm like, when did you learn about the Nephlin? Because I just learned about them basically through this podcast. Yeah, I was about 38 or 39 years old. So that was a couple years ago. And I want to give some credit to Brie, because Brie is really our good friend Brie from end times with Brie. The end times now podcast. Yeah. Yeah. She is the one that kind of showed us what Enoch was all about and what Neflam were and open our eyes to all this other stuff that is out there that's not in the Bible. And the more I research it, the more I believe. I'm kind of like James.

Like the proof is in the pudding. It's right there. Yeah. And so James, obviously, we had talked about too, you know, specifically about kind of some of the tiffs back and forth over the past few days. And it's not really just been a few days. I mean, obviously, James, we always talk on the telegram and we talk with a lot of people oftentimes. And somehow usually it gets on the conversation of the Bible or even Enoch. And I think the past few days, one of the things that's kind of been back and forth is there has been some people that say,

look, I don't think that you can necessarily or maybe they say it's not that you can't believe in God or Jesus without the other books, right? But there are people that say we need these other books, desperately need these other books. whereas you say we don't necessarily need the other books, even though I think that you've maybe said, you can read them. Just give me your thought on that before we get into the book of Enoch. So there's a difference between what we would call scripture and the non-scripture, obviously, right?

But that doesn't mean that the non-scripture isn't beneficial. So scripture, which is what we have in the Bible, right? So we take this to be authority, right? So that's why we compare everything to script. scripture. And that's how you can find out. That's like the discernment area, whether or not you can find out if something is reliable or something should be tossed in the trash can. And then so whenever you're getting into comparing the two, you have to decide, is there anything in this extra biblical text that is contrary to what the Bible teaches? And then so, you know, vice versa.

And so the thing that you'll find is that, so for example, Enoch, Enoch is quoted by two apostles in the New Testament. And there's a lot of scholars that say, even though it's quoted, that doesn't mean that they held it to be scripture. And in a way, that makes sense because if you look at the apostle Paul, when he was in Greece, he quoted some of their poets. And, you know, and that's that's scripture. That's in the Bible too. But are we supposed to take those poets as scripture now? So, but what I think is that if there is anything beneficial, any knock, from what I've seen, I mean, nothing any knock really goes against scripture.

And so that's why I even feel comfortable with reading it. But me, myself, I'm not going to call it scripture because I believe that what we have, you know, is what was preserved on purpose. But whenever you get into reading the Bible, you will come across, for example, Jude. Or I said he quotes directly from Enoch, and he even says, as Enoch has said. So God left that verse in the Bible for a reason. And maybe it's for people like us that, you know, want to dig deeper. Well, what did Enoch say?

Well, it's not in the Bible. So we have to go find out. We're going to actually get into what the book of Enoch is. There are three parts of the book of Enoch, and most historians or scholars believe that one Enoch is the most accepted. James, most people I guess believe also that it was written around 300 BC, one Enoch, which is before Christ. And I think maybe the reason why second and third Enoch is not as accepted biblically or even just in the community at all is because it was written far after one Enoch. Is that correct? Yeah, not only that it's written far.

after, but some of the, some of the ideas and that it puts, that they put forth in like two and three, it kind of goes against even some of the things that Enoch one teaches. So that's why they think that they're not 100% sure again, right? Who wrote Enoch? But they are absolutely pretty certain that whoever wrote Enoch one was not the person who wrote two and three. Makes sense. Yeah. Okay. So, let's get into this. And I also want to make sure that everyone understands that, and I've told everybody, I've been researching Enoch. I've read the book of Enoch. I then also went and read Brian Godawa's books, which is Enoch primordial, a supernatural epic Bible novel. And so he kind of puts the book of Enoch

into a novel and like a cinematic novel. And Brian Godaua has actually got, I don't know, I think 10 or 11 movies under his belt. He has multiple bestselling books and series and all of it related. to either historical text, the book of Enoch, the Bible, whatever it is. He has stories on Abraham and David and Noah. It kind of goes through the line. And if you're someone like me to where you read the Bible, I do think you should absolutely do both, make no mistake. I think you should read the Bible.

I think you should also read the book of Enoch in its text. And then I also think you need to go out there potentially just to help you a little bit and read some novels like this. And then in the back of these books, from Brian Godowah, for example, he gives references and exactly why and how he depicted the stories that he did in the way that he did. And not only is because Brian knows the Bible extremely well, this is his entire life he's devoted to his writings on the Bible and the stories around the Bible. But more specifically, he reaches out to Michael Heiser, so many scholars in the field. and he retains and gathers information from these scholars and then puts it also into his work in his book. And then he always makes sure to say at the end of every novel, hey, guys, just so you know, yeah, I did embellish some things as far as, you know, this is what I believe may have been the case of this particular character or this character.

But here's what the Bible says. Here's what the actual book says. And here's how we can kind of suss it out and prove it out to some degree. And I think it's really cool about the cards you're talking about in the background with the characters or the, or the back. of the book of the characters or the people that are in Enoch is not only does it give up biography about them, but it's like an illustrated picture for you to probably like kind of get in your mind to think about, oh, okay, this is this guy. It kind of makes better sense to you with all these people in this novel.

Yeah, I mean, it's the same way I kind of feel like is, and I've always said this, like if I read a name tag on someone's shirt and it says their name, I'll remember it a lot better if someone says, hey, my name is Brian versus I read it on their shirt. I have one of the, you know, not a photographic memory necessarily, but, you know, I can just remember stuff seeing that. But hearing it is another thing. So here's the fascinating case of the book of Enoch. And we're going to break this down. We're also going to play some clips that I think are highly interesting. And I want James's opinion on some of those as well. But one of the most fascinating cases of biblical appropriation of non-canical texts is the New Testament references to the book of one Enoch.

Now, written sometime around the 3rd to 2nd century BC, this text has both haunted and been cherished by Christian Church through its history, and it is an apocalyptic and genre cloaking warnings of judgment and dream visions, parables, and complex allegorical imagery. But it is most well known for its detailed elaboration of the Genesis 6th story about the sons of God called the Watchers and their intimate involvement in the cause of the Noah flood. And there it describes in much detail, that the watchers as fallen angels revealing occultic secrets to mankind have an intercourse with human women and birthing giants who cause terror across the land. And here is just an example of

passages that tell the story in much more vivid detail than Genesis 6. Here is Enoch 6 1 through 2, and it says, in those days, when the children of man had multiplied, it happened that there were born unto them handsome and beautiful daughters. And the angels, the children of heaven, aka the watchers saw them and desired them and they said to one another come let us choose wives for ourselves from among the daughters of man and beget us children now enoch 7183 and 191 goes on to say and they took wives unto themselves and everyone respectively chose one woman for himself and they began to go unto them and the women became pregnant and gave birth to great giants now these giants Consumed the produce of all the people until the people detested feeding them.

So the giants turned against the people in order to eat them. And they began to sin against birds, wild beasts, reptiles, and fish. And their flesh was devoured, one by the other. And they drank blood. And then the earth brought an accusation against the oppressors. So James, let's talk about this for a second, what this is referring to. We're talking about the watchers. Who are the watchers?

The watchers are the sons of, I guess, sons of God. I mean, they call them various things, but these were angels that were supposed to, from what I have read multiple places, they were supposed to kind of come over and watch over people, right? And instead, they came down and they decided that, hey, you know what? We could actually be gods ourselves on earth. We could do what we want to do. Screw God, basically. Let's do what we want to do and there was a main character in this to convince them all the watchers there were 200 of them that came down there was one main character that kind of convinced them to do this but these were angelic beings right james yeah um angelic beings heavenly beings look at it either way they came from

and they were made by god and they were made for the purpose you know to serve god um and they decided rather than that they themselves wanted to be served. So yeah, you're absolutely right. So they find these women. They come down. They say, hey, I am the gods. We are the gods. We are the mighty rulers.

We and most people on earth believe they were gods. And in some ways, like if you go back to Greek mythology, there are so many connections to the watchers and even Atlantis to all of Greek mythology about the sun god, the moon god, the, God of the God of water. All of these gods took on a place

in the book of Enoch. And these were known as the watchers. Now, there was one particular watcher that was the one that was over most of everything. And then you had other watchers that were responsible for other things. But Azazel,

the watcher taught the people the art of making swords and knives and shields and breastplates. And alchemy. And wearing makeup, I have to say. Yeah, and alchemy. And transmutation. So ancient Ethiopian

commentators explain this phrase as changing a man into a horse or a mule or vice versa or transferring an embryo from one womb to another. Now, Amasaurus taught incanation and cutting of roots. And Amasurus, the resolving of incanations and astrology and Corcoral, I'm sorry, these are hard names, the knowledge of the signs and Tamil taught the seeing of the stars. Now, the angels which have united themselves with women, they have defiled the people and will lead them into error so that they will offer sacrifices to the demons as unto gods. And Enoch 10, 4, 11 through 2 says, the Lord said to Raphael, which is a archangel, he's one of the good angels, bind Azazel, hand and foot, and throw him into the darkness.

And he made a hole in the desert, which was in Dudial, and cast him there. And to Michael, the archangel, God said, make known to Simzaya, the watcher, and the others who are with him who fornicated with women that they will die together with them and all of their defilement bind them for 70 generations underneath the rocks of the ground until the day that their judgment and or of their consummation until the internal judgment is concluded on account of their oppressive deeds which they performed as messengers of the accuser now you might want to ask yourself who the hell is the accuser the accuser in especially enoch one the accuser is known as Satan. The accuser is the word for Satan. And so what Enoch is saying here in Enoch one,

it's saying that these watchers were led their holy leader or their what they believe to be their righteous leader was the accuser, aka Satan. Now that is not the actual leader of the watchers as far as the actual one of the 200 watchers that came down. But Satan is kind of leading this whole thing. and they're leading these astray, he says, and they'll dwell upon the earth. Now, James, have you heard about the accuser being also Satan in that phrase? Oh, yeah, absolutely. The accuser anywhere throughout scripture, it's usually he, it is usually attributed to Satan, the devil, the accuser, and he goes by many names.

But yeah, it's usually him. Is it because, you know, when I'm listening to this book of Enoch, and they're talking about the accuser being Satan. I'm thinking he's accusing God of not doing something good, of not doing something righteous, not providing what God said he was going to provide for humans. And that's why the accuser comes is to accuse God almost like in a court of law. Yeah. And by the way.

Do you guys agree or what do you think about that? Yeah. So there's descriptions that literally say that kind of the accuser came along and said, hey, you know what God? You're supposed to be this almighty loving God. You're supposed to be the creator of the universe, but why do we have sickness? Why do we have people that die? Why do we have all this stuff?

He consistently always goes against what God is, you know, has done and created for humanity. And the accuser uses all of the bad things that happen on earth because of man's sin against God himself. And that's why they call him the accuser. And then when I think about the counsel of God, you know, there's a counsel. The divine counsel. And then the accuser, does it make you almost feel like they're trying to put God on? Yeah, I put God in court. Yeah, on trial.

Well, the God is the judge, right? So, I mean, whatever you picture even judgment, the day of judgment, it is going to be like a day in court. You will have the judge and then you will have the accuser, the prosecutor, who is Satan. He is there to bring up everything that you have ever done wrong. And then that's where you've got, hopefully, you've got a good attorney on your side and you've got a lawyer who's in the form of Jesus Christ who can cover for you. Yes. And even in Enoch 1, how Enoch 1 describes the heavenly court and the accuser coming forth and accusing God. And, and, you know, the very interesting thing about Enoch 1 is how many times it describes or talks about the son of man. And the son of man

is in Enoch 1 kind of the most righteous and the most right-hand man to God, which most people and most scholars believe that person as described in Enoch is Jesus Christ. Yet we do not know this yet, the Enoch one, but we knew that there was going to be a Messiah come. We knew that there was going to be the most righteous, the most right hand, the most heavenly being of God's divine and heavenly counsel come one day to save all of sin and all man. And it talked about this in Enoch one. And Enoch one was, for most people believe, written before Genesis or before the actual Bible. So also to your point, James, where we talk about like, what should we read, what shouldn't we read? I think Enoch one is important at the very least because it does describe the son of man.

It describes the Messiah and it describes him most people believe as Jesus. But it's interesting to me and maybe you guys can answer this question. They call Jesus the son of man and they call the watchers the son of God. Yeah. Like, wouldn't Jesus be the son of God? Well, he is, but the reason why they call him the son of man. And the reason why he's got the distinction of that is because he is fully God and fully man. He was born from man and from the spirit.

So that's why they attribute him as the son of man. Yeah, absolutely. Now, I want to talk to you about this too. probably people out there are wondering, well, this doesn't make any sense. Like how do heavenly beings, these angels, these watchers that come down, how do they procreate with humans? How do they take women and actually have sex and fornication with women, but yet they're heavily beings? Yeah, because you got to think about this. Human women, they have body parts.

They have a soul and a body. And then you think about the watchers, you think of them in a spirit way. how could they have sexual intercourse or fornicate with human women? And see, that's a good question. That's two where people get tripped up and even where I'm not 100% sure. But that's why a lot of people think that the watchers themselves, even though they're angels, they would be like a different sect of angels maybe or like a different order, which is why they would be different from the angels that we have described in the

Bible typically. So a lot of people think that believe in the book would not be reliable. They think that the watchers, when they came down, they would have looked just like a man would have, although I'm sure they would have been, you know, like a 10 out of 10, let's just say. Yeah.

But how would they be different from Jesus then? Well, because they're not, they're not born of man. Yeah. So and here's what I kind of want to, not necessarily a parable, but, you know, there are descriptions of these beings that had scaly skin and lizardy eyes and all this stuff. I do think that they were physical beings. I mean, whether or not they were supernatural or not, they were in physical form in some way, shape, or form.

It's the same way. Sorry to cut you off. No, it's good. That's another thing to remember, too, is that they were physical. And that's another reason why they were different from Jesus is that Jesus, in actuality, like going back. you know, way before Earth was even created. He's the one that created the angels. So he's the one that created the watchers.

Yes. And but that's what I'm saying is, you know, you go back to the biblical story of Jesus where he was implanted into Mary and he was, you know, he was an embryo. He was, you know, virgin Mary. She did not have sex on anyone, you know, according to the Bible. But he was the chosen one. He was the one that was sent to wipe away all sin. and be crucified and do all this stuff.

The watchers came down. They were supernatural beings. And it specifically says that time and time again, these are 200 watchers that descended down. And they took the wives. They took the women onto them. They had sex with them. Most people believe probably forcefully, they then created Nephlem.

So for those that want to know where Nephlam came from, it was the fornication. It was the sex between the watchers and the women. of these multiple villages, these women would have babies and these babies would become giants. And these babies were the Nephlem. And the Nephlem are described as part human and part supernatural or part whatever you want to call it, demonic, evil, whatever. And obviously, as the watchers came down and as it starts describing the watchers of these 200 fallen angels that come down, they are also described multiple times as evil or demonic.

and but it's interesting because they were at one point in time part of God's counsel. They were part of God's heavenly beings and then they rebelled against God. They then, it sounds like kind of went more for the accuser, the devil. And that's when they wanted to create their own kind of, I guess, earthly realm for their rule and their power. But I do think they were, I do think they were physical in nature, James. Yeah, yeah, they would have definitely had some sort of physical nature. Absolutely. Even angels themselves, like, if they were to come down, it's not to say that they have to always be a spirit, you know, like in spiritual form. Like absolutely not. There's stories in the Bible where an angel or an angel has slaughtered an entire army. And so, I mean, that would have to be physical. Yeah, absolutely. So though Enoch I is not in West.

canon of scripture, as you were talking about. It is an Eastern Ethiopic canon and was respected by Christian scholars and authorities throughout early church, but it was never considered heretical by church authorities. But the real kicker is that the New Testament even refers favorably to the book of Enoch and its tradition of fallen angels and cohabiting with humans, which results in their punishment of binding. And this is in Peter. This is in Peter 2, Jude 6 through 14. and then first Jude quotes the book of one Enoch outright when he writes of false teachers corrupting the church. And it says Jude 14 through 15 says, it was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesies saying,

behold the Lord comes with 10,000 of his holy ones to execute judgment on all who, and sorry, on all and to convict all the ungodly of their deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way. And of all the harsh things, the ungodly sinners have spoken against him. And then here's the text from the actual book of one Enoch that Jude is quoting. And it says, one Enoch one nine, and behold, he cometh with 10,000 of his holy ones to execute judgment upon all, and to destroy all the ungodly, and to convict all flesh of all the works of their ungodliness, which they have ungodly committed, and of all the hard things, which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. So obviously, you have this Jude 14 through 15, you have the verse that

is almost verbatim to Enoch 119. And so the Bible consistently throughout scripture refers to Enoch 1. But why did they not put the book of Enoch in the canon? Well, the easy answer is that in the book of Enoch, there's nothing in it that has to do with like salvation. There's nothing that you need to know in here that you can't get out of the Bible in order for you to make it to heaven. So there's nothing salvatic in it. But then the deeper, harder answer is why is there not even much like fingerprints, footprints, you know, throughout history of this book within Jerusalem or even the temples whenever,

clearly some of the disciples had read it as if it was easily available to them. Yeah. And that's where you have to start questioning did the Pharisees, the temple leaders, the religious leaders at the time after Jesus' crucifixion, because what did he reference himself as all the time constantly, the son of man? All right. It just so happens that in Inouc, he references to the Messiah constantly as the son of man. So maybe they went through, saw those similarities,

and so like, we don't even want anybody to be questioning this. So let's just burn them all, which is really interesting because there was a sect of Jews that was actually against the temple leaders. And they thought the temple, like the Pharisees and all that, they thought that they were corrupt, which is where you'd get the Dead Sea Scrolls. They took a bunch of books and they hit them away. Well, not books, but scrolls. And they hit them away. So that way the temple leaders couldn't corrupt them, couldn't manipulate them in any form. And it's kind of interesting that we find the book of Enoch.

with the Dead Sea Scrolls. Yeah, that is interesting. Yeah, because there was a divide. I mean, there absolutely was a divide among the people back in the day to where there were the, I don't know if you call them maybe the high priest back in the day that they had a divide. And even when they were the Jews back then, they were sacrificing things in the temple. And, you know, there was a faction of the Jews that said, look, you know, I don't think

we need a sacrifice because I think there was a divide between we know the Messiah's coming. We have heard this. We've heard it in Enoch 1. We've heard it throughout our lineage. And yet we're still doing a sacrificial thing, which Jews actually still do today because they do not believe in Jesus Christ. And so that is obviously the biggest divide between Jews today and Christians is Jews have to still sacrifice stuff or at least have these, you know, these what do you call rituals to where they do certain things and they feel like that's the only. Kosher food and things like that. Yes.

Let me ask you guys a question, though. could they have removed these books out of control over humans, humans over control humans or governments controlling humans or some type of control mechanism where they only want you to believe, what they want you to believe is almost like censorship today or freedom of speech. Why leave something out in order for us to believe or not believe in it? James That's almost kind of what they did

I mean if we're thinking that the Pharisees removed them from the temple That's kind of what they did Is because they're like we don't want people to believe in Jesus We want people to believe in Like basically what we believe in You know like they they weren't about that Yeah and and they were looking for control Well and you also have to understand you know

The Jewish Bible the Torah is essentially the Old Testament right I mean I think there are some other things maybe that or in the Jewish Bible or the Torah or the Talmud, which is one of the oldest versions, I guess, of Jewish historical texts. But, you know, the interesting thing is, is that in Enoch 1, it comes before the Old Testament. And yet it continually describes the son of man or Jesus Christ, I believe. But not only does Jude explicitly quote a passage of Enoch 1 regarding God coming with judgment of his divine counsel of Holy One, the sons of God, which are the watchers,

But all three texts refer to the Enochian notion of the angelic watchers, punishment for cohabiting with humans, as a violation of the divine and human separation. Another main theme of one Enoch. In one Peter 318 through 20, Christ being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison because they formally did not obey when God's patience patiently waited in the days of Noah.

Jude 6.7 says, And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode. He has kept in internal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they, in the same way as they indulged in gross immortality and went after strange flesh after exhibited as an example is undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. So we're talking about here these fallen angels that are having,

sex with human women. And this is in the, this is in Peter and Jude. And then Peter two, four through 10 says, for if God did not spare angels when they sin, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness reserved for judgment and did not spare the ancient world but preserved Noah. And if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomor to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter, then the Lord knows how to. Keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment and especially those who indulge

the flesh in corrupt desires and despise authority. And this goes on in many, many books. And it's not just Enoch one. It is Sarat 16, 7 through 8. He forgave not the giants of old who revolted in their might. He spared not the place

where the lot sojourned who were arrogant in their pride. And then you had the testament of Naftali. It says, discerned Lord who made all things so that you do not become like Sodom, which departed from the order of nature. Likewise, the watchers departed from nature's order. The Lord pronounced a curse on them at the flood. And then you have three Maccabees, which is also another book that is not in the canon. And it says, thou didst destroy those who aforetime did iniquity, among whom were giants, trusting in their

strength and boldness, bringing upon them a boundless flood of water. Thou dist burn up with fire and brimstone the men of Sodom workers of arrogance who had become known of all of their crimes and dismay them an example of those who should come after you also have jubilees you have enoch two 34 one god convicts the persons who are idle worshippers and sodoment fornicators and for this reason he brings down the flood upon them so one of the things we were talking about james is like you know should you read other books but it sounds like and i almost guarantee you that most christians don't even know why the flood happened necessarily. Maybe think that the flood happened because they're sin.

But is that maybe because of the giants? That is, if you read most of these books that were left out, it seemed like that the flood happened because God wanted to wipe out the giants, also known as Nephlam. It was the offspring of the watchers to human women. That was only part of the problem, though, because we were a big part of the problem. Because think about it, like they never would have been here.

if it wasn't for our sin to begin with. Like, we were the ones that choose to worship them. We were the ones that chose to follow them. We were the ones that chose to trade our daughters to them. So, I mean, like, you know, in the end, it kind of falls back on us, really. But, and then as far as the other books, too, like, it sounds like there's some truth in there, too. Like, praise God for that, that he's reaching throughout history. but I mean like realistically if you listen to Charles Manson long enough I'm sure you'll hear that he

he says some pretty good true things too yeah because you listen to everything he has to say no I get that that is totally true but listen in the Bible I always learned that you know the flood came because we became evil people and we weren't believing in God and God had to wash away our sins and start over basically I never heard heard about Enok, Neflam, Watchers, or anything for the Noah's Ark story. And I think that James proved a very valuable point that is not just because of these watchers that went bad or the Nephlam. It's because we chose our paths and God had to cleanse us from those paths.

Am I correct, James? Yeah, essentially, I mean, like, you know, in the very, think about it, in the very beginning when they came down here and they saw the women. And then they came, you know, like a lot of scholars think that they took them, but I don't think that's necessarily the case because it says that they traded. All right. So like the men, they traded their daughters willingly. They could have said no.

We're not we're not doing that. Like that's not what God has commanded us to do. That is not what he, you know, that's not within his guidelines. But instead they went ahead and did it. They committed a sinful act, which then led to more sinful acts. But also, you got to think about this. You have watchers that are coming down under supernatural beings. I mean, obviously, they have much more power and force than any human on earth, and including, you know, the archangels that came down.

There were various archangels that were on God's side that were supposed to cast and condemn them to hell. You know, one of the things I've always heard is that, you know, you can't technically kill a watcher. You know, that is one thing that's kind of been in, and you can't kill an archangel either. but you can you can I guess cast them and and convict them into eternal the depths of the earth is what it says what it was saying that's probably why they put them in a ditch but you can't kill them but here's the thing so post flood we got to talk about this for a second Noah's flood came there's a lot of people that believe after Noah's flood there was no more giants but we definitely have more tells of giants post flood there are many tells post flood of giants in the existence of of or after the flood, including the potential of Imzara, which was Noah's wife. And then Noah's Noah and Azar's daughter, or actually, sorry, it was Noah and Amzara's son, Ham was his name. And Ham had a wife that potentially had sex or fornication with some of these watchers or the gods. Because what most people to understand is during this time, it was either

the watchers or it was the Nephlam that controlled all of the land. These were the the kings of the land across the world. I mean, they came down and they inhabited the earth and they controlled the earth. They were the rulers. They were the kings. You go back to the story of the epic of Gilgamesh. Gilgamesh in Greek mythology, I guess is Gilgamesh is, you know, still a king and a ruler of Uric, which was a, you know, a very big city, I guess in the Middle East during that time. but Gilgamesh was known to be a kind of giant like seven or eight feet tall. He wasn't necessarily a Nephlem, but he was part Nephlam and part human. And so you hear all these stories post-flood of these giants still existing and the bloodline still existing.

And I go back to this, is that is this where evil really started to inhabit the earth? And is that bloodline today still alive? And you think about this too, James. Think about the royal bloodlines. Think about even all of the conspiracies and all the stuff where you go down the rabbit hole about all the presidents in the United States that are somehow connected through bloodline in some way, shape, or form except for a very few. All of these royal or elites are connected in some way, the Rothschilds, the Soros,

the king and queens of England, all of these people. And many of these people also, I don't know if anybody knows this, but a lot of them actually are having sex with their own family to keep the blood in their family. And so, you know, a lot of people don't understand that. And it's also interesting because there's always been this faction of people that also don't understand why, like the royal bloodline, they always have a problem with someone new that comes in. A woman typically. So whether it's Princess Diana, whether it's Megan Markle, even though I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't. I wouldn't like her either. I don't get.

They do like Cade, though. Cade or whatever. But there are always as problems with any of the men that want to bring in a wife. And what I maybe think is like a wife that is outside of the bloodline. And if you bring in a wife outside of bloodline, that's a problem. I think that there are still factions of people on this earth that are elites and are in control power and do manipulate our system and our way of life still to this day that maybe have a bloodline that dates back all the way back to the Nephlam.

James, what do you think about that? You think that's possible? Actually, I mean, realistically, it is possible. There's a thing in the Bible that tells us either way about, you know, even Noah's sons' wives, right? So we don't know they, they, they, their blood could have been somewhat, you know, mixed in. It's truly possible. I will say that I don't believe that any of that necessarily, like, I mean, as far as the breeding, you know, and stuff is going on necessarily today.

Because, again, just like what you referenced earlier from 2nd Peter, it says that they are kept in chains until the day of judgment. So, like, they're still bound. But about that bloodline, you know, that's where it gets iffy. It could absolutely be that it, you know, survived through the flood with, again, the wives. But then, too, it's possible that the bloodline that we have today, you know, the ruling bloodline, the royal bloodline, whatever you want to call it, elitist bloodline.

If it can come from the Nephulums necessarily directly, it still doesn't mean that it's not, it doesn't have the same goal that the Nephelums had, right? Their goal was basically, we are gods, we are in control, we rule you, and you will worship us. Like so realistically, it's the same spirit, you know, either way, whether or not it's the same blood is the exact same spirit. Yeah, I think the, I think the, um, the Nephlin bloodline has become NBA players now.

But other than that, I've definitely seen some NBA players. I'm like, there's no way they're not Nephlin for sure. Like absolutely. Like how are they not Nephlem? Uh, but either way. I mean, and it seems weird because especially when you see like the Chinese, uh, basketball players are like eight foot four and you're like, what that? There's no way they're not Nephlam.

There's absolutely no way. And this is not racist as a at all. I'm just saying Chinese people are not usually tall. Anyways, I want to also get to this. So you remember when the Israelites were leaving Egypt, right, during Exodus. And they were, you know, they were slaves to the Egyptian kings and rulers. And they called them gods, actually, back in a day. They referred to these rulers as gods.

And I often always hear it's like, well, the Bible. talks about gods as not necessarily gods like as in supernatural beings or watchers, but maybe rulers. And a lot of, there's been scholars to say, well, I believe it talks about that in the Bible, there are textual concepts of gods as being rulers, maybe human, but not necessarily supernatural. But then if you listen to one Enoch and how it refers to gods, it doesn't necessarily refer to gods just as rulers.

They refers to them as having a supernatural characteristic. and when we think about Egypt, and then you think about the pyramids and all that stuff, right? Think about this as well. So we, so God led the Israelites, the Jews out of Egypt. They were bricklayers.

They were slaves to, you know, basically building bricks. And he led them out. He led them to their promised land, which is Canaan, which is now Israel. And he told them,

he said, go into this land. This is your land. I promise to you. And you are to, to go into this land and destroy every living thing in the land. And why do I tell you or command you to do this is because there are giants in this land that are still fornicating with women. They are teaching these people idolatry to believe in other gods besides myself.

And this is an Exodus, right? And so the Jews go in, kind of, and they really don't do shit the first time. and they do exactly kind of what God told them not to do. So then God cast this generation of Jews out. And he says, you're going to live in the badlands until we have a new generation that is going to be more ballsy than you that can actually go in here and do this. And they did that. And then guess what? It still was the same thing. These people went in.

They befriended them. Well, they had war with them a little bit. But then eventually it was like they started to worship in those gods, their gods. and even talked about these giants being in beds that were massive beds because of how big they were. These are giants during this time. Now, I'm not a Bible scholar, but this was pre-flood, James? Or post-flut? This would have been underronomy.

It would have been post-flood. Yeah. Oh, dang. That's weird. So post-flood is talking about giants in the land of Canaan. But I do want to bring this up real quick. if there were really giants among us on earth, that would totally explain to me how the pyramids were built.

I don't think so. Well, they had technology and knowledge that they gave to humans. Yes. And, you know, I guess humans were treading their daughters for this knowledge and technology. Yeah. I almost feel like this is lost technology that we don't even have today. You think about the pyramids, there's no way we could build them today. Even with all the machinery we have.

No, there's something. divine that happened probably there. We, you know, we always want to speculate and say, well, it's UFOs. You know, it's aliens that came. But and we're going to get into a little bit of that conversation in just a minute. Could be aliens. I don't know. Well, they are aliens technically.

I mean, if you think about what the definition of aliens are, aliens are, you know, a otherworldly being. Yeah, they're non-human. They're non-human. What are watchers? They're non-human. They're supernatural. They're otherworldly beings.

And so James, when we talked about UFOs all the time, but do you not, you know, and there's a lot of Christians also that say, oh, well, you can't believe in aliens if you believe in God. Well, then you're saying that you can't believe in watchers then. You can't believe in anything the Enoch one says or even Genesis or all the other scriptures that take into account the giants. Or even the fact that many verses in the Bible consistently talk about that these spirits on earth will be demonic. So you're telling me that you can't believe in aliens, but you can believe in all of this other stuff. Or are you saying you can't also believe in that in the Bible? What is your take on that? With aliens, I don't think so.

Well, me personally, okay, I don't believe in aliens, right? Like coming from outer space, coming from a distant land. I don't believe in that. But think about it. Like, if an angel showed up right in front of you right now, you're not going to know what it is. It's going to be alien to you. Right? Because it came from somewhere else.

You don't know what it is. So, I mean, I think that's where the correlation comes into play. And then, too, even as far as like whenever the watchers descended onto Mount Hermann, what did they use their wings or did they come in, quote unquote, chariots? You know, it doesn't really say. But that's something that I've thought about, too, is we often think, as heaven being, you know, like the ancient days, right? Like no electricity, chariot, stuff like that.

But it never really says that. Like, who's to say that heaven doesn't have electricity? After all, God literally created everything, you know? Well, I believe heaven is another dimension, though. How do you mean? Well, I mean, I'm just saying when we talk about interdimensional stuff, I mean, there was a clip. I don't know if I have it and I'll see if I have it.

But there was a clip that Sean Ryan talked about yesterday on Tucker Carl and this is it was pretty interesting because when you hear this clip Sean Ryan goes on air and they're talking about UFOs and all this stuff and they said this specifically I want to play this real quick one second I think that all this alien extraterrestrial shit I mean it's fun to dig down there but I mean I think it's a big distraction I don't know if it's meant to be some type of a controlled op but I think it is I think all this stuff is spiritual.

That's what I think. Of course it is. I think all this stuff is spiritual. All these things that people are seeing and stuff. I think there's a spirituality component to it. Now, these are angels and demons or what? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah.

And where was I going with this? In anti-gravidic propulsion systems, I mean, yeah, I think we, I mean, I would hope that we have shit that is next generation stuff. It's not, you know, the same shit we've been using since World War II. So there is Sean Ryan talking about, you know, what does he think about the UFO alien thing? And Sean Ryan obviously has a huge podcast, Sean Ryan show. And Sean Ryan was a CIA guy for a while. I think he was Navy still as well. But, you know, when he's talking specifically here about UFOs, like, what do you think it is?

And Tucker's been on this bandwagon as well talking about like maybe these aren't, you know, aliens from another planet. This is some spiritual battle. This is a spiritual battle going on that we're just able to see right now, whether it's from the demons and the angelic beings. And it kind of goes back to Enoch 1, where you have the archangels that come down, Michael and Uriel and all these others that were fighting this great battle against the watchers, against these gods of earth, right? The gods of earth that they proclaimed were the gods of earth that were led by Satan. And even in the Bible, as it consistently talks about the fact that there will be demon spirits on the earth. I think obviously we have come to the conclusion that they refer to the watchers even back in this day and even throughout the Bible, they refer to the watchers or what we believe to be the watchers as they refer to them in the Bible as these demonic spirits that are led by the accuser, aka Satan. Do you think that this could be a spiritual battle we're seeing?

I know that sounds nuts so. But do you think, James, that this could be some type of spiritual warfare and not just spiritual. And we're not talking about what we feel. we're talking about actual entities things that that are actually manifesting themselves in a physical reality into our world today that maybe this is starting to heat up again similarly to how in the Bible it talks about you know in the end times you will see signs from the heavens signs that you know I'm going to show you when the time is near all this stuff do you think this could be a battle between the you know maybe even the original watchers and demonic spirits I mean, well, whenever you get into the demonic spirits, so something even I always thought in the past was that demonic spirits, so like demons, that they were fallen angels themselves. But whenever you're actually reading even in the book of Enoch, you'll see that he ascribes the demons to like, you know, evil spirits to the spirits of the Nephilim, the spirit. spirits of the giants. Meaning so like, you know, you were part man, part angel.

So then like your spirit has to stay here, basically roam the earth. And it even says that they will cause affliction on the humans and everything like that, basically because they're jealous because they basically came from us and they want what we have. And then as far as the spiritual warfare goes, that is absolutely everything that's happening. but with them doing like you know angels and demons that's constantly going on no matter what and then even the things that we see in the sky that could be spiritual warfare even within yourself because what is it trying to convince you of right it depends what do you think that is well getting back to Chad's question about heaven because we kind of got off track with that

with this little video Chad said it he thinks it's interdimensional The other day, we were reading James this part about Enoch where they said that they had dug this huge pit and there was four pits. And one had like enlightenment. It was this paradise place, like beautiful place underground. And then there's three other chambers. And one was for people that were murdered. And one was for the most sinful people. And then the other chamber was just like normal kind of sinful people.

I guess. And some of them are waiting for judgment. to me, that sounds like heaven and hell. But there's also the biggest of all the pits. And the biggest of all the pits is the worst pit. It is what many people, if you want to kind of try to visualize hell, it is the ultimate pit, which is where the watchers were supposedly cast down into and it's the fiery pit. But what I'm saying is it talks about this first pit is paradise.

To me, when you think about paradise and enlightened and light, shining on you, you think about heaven. What do you think about that and what do you think heaven is, James? Well, I think heaven is a, like, well, right now, so it's in the spiritual realm. So however you want to think about that, but it is going to come here physically after judgment, right? But then what you're talking about is a place called shield. And that's even talked about in the Old Testament. And Jesus even talks about Sheel and it is a place, a holding place essentially for the dead.

Now this is where it gets kind of complicated. Well, not even complicated, but it goes deeper than just being like a holding place because there's a parable where Jesus talks about Abraham's bosom. There was a rich man in hell and a poor man in like what you would call Abraham's bosom or, you know, quote unquote paradise. But they were both in Sheel. They were separated by a separate. So the rich man was in torment and the poor man was in peace with Abraham.

So what they're talking about is before Jesus came, if you died, even if you were considered a saint or even righteous, you were still separated from God. So God still sent you to this place. However, he didn't send you there to be tormented, right? Because he loved you and you loved him. So you got sent there with Abraham. But then Jesus comes, he dies on the cross, then he goes to the spirits and shield, the righteous ones, and he takes them with him to paradise. And that's another place where he is.

And so that's where Paul even talks absent from the body, present with the Lord. So when you die now, you don't go to a holding place. You go directly to be with him. So that's kind of the big, that I mean, that's the big storyline with Jesus. holding line until Jesus came back. Everyone that died would go into this place of holding until the Messiah or Jesus came back. Or Jesus even came at all. The Messiah, whatever.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. Because we were separated from God. So even in death, they were separated from God. But because of Jesus and his sacrifice, that's what brought us back to God. That's what allowed us to be in communion. with him again.

So that's why he went down and took the saints, including Abraham and including the poor man, which the parable that Jesus talked about, all the saints of the Old Testament, the prophets, he took them out and he took them home. Yeah. Yeah, that's nuts. And, you know, like I said, with one Enoch, we hear these storylines about the son of man, the coming of the Messiah and this kind of divide. Now, I want to play a clip here.

And the reason why I want to play this is because Timothy Albrino, which is a guy that talks, you know, they call him the rogue archaeologist. Now, I don't know what Timothy Albrino's spiritual beliefs are necessarily. I know that he has heavily studied the Bible, historical text, scripture, you name it. And so he has a very definitive view on some of this stuff, especially about Atlanta. So bear with us, guys, on this clip. This is from the Michael Knowles show, and this specifically talks about, you know, what what potentially happened during this time and what he believes, even up until Atlantis, about how all of this stuff kind of connects. Listen. Evangelium of James, for instance, is an edifying work to read and can inform us.

It's useful. Maybe it's not canon, but it's useful. And so that seems to be kind of the view that you're taking. Well, I will say this, and that is my view, but I will say this, I'll add that in the book of Enoch, see, the book of Enoch, first Enoch is very complex. And we're going to get back to what I call the first cause in a minute with Enoch. But the book of Enoch is very complex. First Enoch, there are three different books of Enoch. Only one of them, portions of it were written before Christ. That's the one I'm interested in. First Enoch. There's second Enoch, which is called the Slavonic Enoch, and third Enoch, which is called the Hebrew Enoch. First Enoch is known as the Ethiopian Enoch because the Ethiopians preserved it. First Enoch, the oldest portions of First Enoch, namely the book of the watchers and the book of parables, were most certainly written before Christ. And why is this important? Because some of the most extraordinary, astounding, creastological prophecies,

prophecies pertaining to the Son of Man, which is the title that Jesus used most often when speaking of himself, are in the parables in First Enoch. I mean absolutely stunningly accurate prophecies pertaining to Jesus of Nazareth, written before Christ. Is there any dispute over the dating of the first book of Enoch? Most scholars, most scholars will date, in fact, almost universally scholars date the earliest portions of Enoch to sometime around 300 BC. Now, it's a complicated document because it's a compilation of text written by various authors. I'm most interested in the first two sections of First Enoch, which are the Book of the Watchers and the parables, precisely because they're dated to before the birth of Christ.

And my whole point to bring up Enoch was you have that snippet in Genesis. Yeah. Well, that story in the book of Enoch. In fact, that's where the story comes from is the book of Enoch. That little reference in Genesis, if you want to know the full story of what the author is alluding you read First Enoch, specifically the book of the Watchers, the first section. And it tells you this extraordinary narrative. I mean, it's what I call the Anacian tale about the sons of God, which are designated as

watchers in First Enoch, that they're looking down, they're seeing the daughters of men. And it's basically almost copy-paced into Genesis, the Genesis 6 reference. And intriguingly enough, in R.H. Charles translation, it's the same verses Genesis 6, one through whatever it is for, I think, at the sons of God. But in Book of Enoch, it's the angels. And by the way, that's the way the Septuagint renders it as well. Genesis 6th.

The angels are looking down at the daughters of men that they're fair, that they're beautiful, and they lust. Okay, so that's why I told you to back up. I call that the first cause of the angel's sin in this particular case, the Watchers' Rebellion. The first cause is lust. How do you explain lust for spiritual beings who don't have bodies? How do you explain

incorporeal beings having sexual impulses? That is a very good question, but just before we get to it, you wouldn't say this is the first sin that the angels committed because the rebellion of the angels, the rebellion of Satan. No, in this particular incident, this particular incident, This was the catalyst for what they were about to do. Yeah, so how does an incorporeal being, you know, become too messent to use a diplomatic or fair-looking ladies on the ground? That's right. And not only do these angels, according to First Enoch,

again, which is the elaboration of the Genesis 6 reference, not only do they lust after these women, they are determined to take them as their wives and procreate offspring with them. So they lust, that's the first cause. Then they descend to the earth, according to First Enoch, 200 watchers descend to the earth on the summit of Mount Hermon. The Mount Hermon is very interesting in the Bible. They descend to the summit of Mount Hermon. They bind themselves by an oath of mutual imprecations.

In other words, all for one, one for all. We're all on this together. They knew it was a great sin, but they were going to, they were going to accept the consequences together, whatever befall. And then they, that's why the, by the way, Mount Hermon has been known since time immemorial as the mountain of oath. And then they descended into the plains and they chose each one, one woman, one maiden that they desired to wed, that who they ultimately took to wife. They copulated with these women. These women conceived and gave birth to giants, demigods, the offspring of God and man. Okay. This is the Hebraic cosmological paradigm of the antediluvian world. This is the Hebraic paradigm of the golden age of Zeptepi. Because the ancient Mesopotamians and the ancient Egyptians and the Greeks and the Romans and all the rest of them, they believe that the very same thing occurred. The gods descended to the earth. That they copulated with human women. I mean, look at Atlantis, the story of Atlantis. Everybody knows about the city of Atlantis and the, and the gods.

and the legend of Atlantis, but very few people pay attention to what Plato writes in the Temeus and Critias dialogue, where he talks about Atlantis. He has Solon of Athens traveling to Egypt, and he's being informed by the priest of Saiz about the extraordinary past of the Athenians that he's unaware of.

And part of this past involves this conflict that they had, this epic conflict with Atlantis and the Atlanteans. And they tell them the whole story, right? And everybody's familiar with Atlantis, that Atlantis was this advanced ancient city, It's a great resort in the Caribbean. Right. That as well, yes.

It still exists today. In a slightly degraded form. Perfectly pleasant. It does. So that Atlantis was this advanced civilization that was destroyed in a day and a night in cataclysm, right? But Plato has the priest of Saiz telling Solon in the dialogue the full story. And what's the beginning of the story of Atlantis? The beginning of the story of Atlantis is that the gods who descended to the earth are

apportioning the earth amongst themselves. They're creating an empire and they're dividing up their kingdoms. And Poseidon for his lot, he got the area of Atlantis, the region that would become Atlantis. So what does he do? He builds Atlantis. He raises up an island out of the sea, which is ultimately going to be the home of this city Atlantis. But what does he do after this or during this? He becomes enamored of a human woman named Plato. And he takes her as his wife. And he copulates with her, and she gives birth to five sets of twin sons, who will become the 10 kings of Atlantis. And these are giants. Atlas, for example, is he's the chief among them. That's the backstory. So what do we see here? Well, this is a one-to-one match with the book of Enoch in Genesis 6.

Is it not? It's the gods descending to the earth, taking human women as their wives, having intercourse with them and progenerating a race of demigodd giants. This is everywhere. It's every, just like the megalis that we were talking about. This is called the Golden Age. And I believe that it's literally true, that that literally happened in the time before the Great Flood.

And I believe in the ubiquitous testimony of our ancient ancestors. And in fact, the Egyptians informed Solon, it was in the midst of the conflict because this Atlantic Empire became expansionary. because they became aggressive, and they were going on conquest, and they were steamrolling everybody that they encountered, until they encountered the Athenians, who were the only faction that was able to resist them, and they're locked into this epic war,

the Atlanteans versus the Athenians, and then cataclysm. Cataclysm destroys, and everyone else, not just Atlantis, it's a global cataclysm. And the Egyptians kept record of this, and they told Solon that that wasn't the only cataclysm. many cataclysms because they believed it was cyclic.

Right. That the cataclysm is cyclic. That there's this celestial timepiece, the zodiac, that you can, that the primary function of which is to keep track of when the cataclysm is going to occur again. And we've talked a lot about that on this show is the cyclic events of cataclysm. But with the Atlanteans, what I think happened was the flood. It was the flood. But they also had giants back then.

And it was one to one, as Albarino says here, with the one Enoch story of the giants, of the Nephlam, of the watchers, of the gods that came down and procreated with women that then created these giants, that then became rulers and kings of many regions across the world. And, you know, even when we go back to, say, the pyramids and all the stuff, you ask yourself, could this be maybe the reason why we had advanced civilization, while we had advanced technology well before today? And even as we look at, you know, even ancient Egypt and the pyramids, as Sherry you said earlier, you know, could we do that today?

And there are many architects or people that say, how could you do this, civil engineers? And it's like, this would be very hard to do even today. That's what's very interesting. James, do you believe that this is a realistic thing? You know, we talk about parables. I don't know if you want to explain what parables are for a second because everybody talks about parables in the Bible. For people that don't really know the Bible or know what that means,

what is a parable number one? And by the way, this was one of my lessons from James. Thank you, James. Well, parable is a story that more likely didn't have. But it is good for teaching. So, for example, a good parable would be like the story of the boy who cried wolf. I think that's the son he's the sherry. So that's a good story.

But more than likely, that's never actually truly happened. A boy probably didn't cry wolf too many times and then actually get eaten by wolves. But it's good to tell your children. So that's the same thing as a parable in the Bible. And that whenever you hear, you know, even Jesus will say, hear this parable. So that means that he's about to tell you a story. Now, did it really happen? Probably not.

But it's good to listen because he's about to teach you something. Yeah. Well, I have many questions from this clip, and I'm going to ask both of you. The first thing I want to ask about is the Ethiopian Bible. And the reason why I asked this is when I was a teacher in first grade, my janitor, who I loved dearly, he was also a preacher of some type. He went to college, did all those things. but he considered himself an Ethiopian Jew. And he said his religion was older than the Jews.

Why do you think the Ethiopians out of anyone else that had any kind of religious beliefs kept the book of Enoch and nobody else? By the way, I think they call the Ethiopian Jews the ancient Jews. There's a lot of scholars that do call them the ancient Jews. Why did they call them that, James? Yeah, and I just wanted to shout out Tommy. in case he listens. But go ahead, James, please. You know, truly, I'm not 100% on why they call themselves that. I would have to do my own

research on that. I do know that Ethiopians and Jews, you know, the Israelites, like they have mingled even in the Old Testament, the New Testament, they've always been around one another. So, I mean, it's not any surprise to me that they wouldn't take up even, you know, some of the traditions and things. But I'm not sure why they would call them. That was a good question. Maybe we should do another episode on that and just dig deep into that. Yeah. And I'm just wondering why out of any other religion are the Ethiopians the only one that

kept the book of Enoch? Well, we don't know that for sure. I mean, unless, you know, like you say, ancient Jews, obviously they were, they at least called themselves. They were older than what we know of potentially in the Bible. But to his point, and Timothy Albarino says here, I believe that these stories and Enoch 1, where the watchers came down, they procreated with women, they created giants, these giants ruled the earth for many, many years until the flood, and then maybe even after

the flood, he believes, and I also believe this literally happened. This is not a parable. I mean, we do have giant bones. So what I want to make very clear on this episode is that when we talk about Enoch 1 or these stories in Enoch, or even in Genesis 6, or Peter or Jude, or all the other references to Enoch 1. I don't think that this was a parable. I don't think this was a story to tell someone for some type of lesson to give them. I believe 100% that there were watchers that were supernatural, that were part of God's counsel or at least God's heavenly angels that came down.

They were supernatural beings. They then procreated with human women. They created giants. and I believe this literally happened. James, do you believe this literally happened? Yes, I do. Not only because, you know, not even because of the book of Enoch, but because that's even what scripture tells us.

You know what I mean? It tells us that they came down here and they lusted and they procreated with the human women. So, I mean, that's absolutely what I believe what happened. And then it even goes deeper than that because if you go back to all the way in Genesis, the first sin, I think that that even what happened there was way deeper than just the first sin. I think somehow Satan kind of took some dominion, some authority away from us over the earth. And then you want to go even further now to whenever the watchers came here, how can, so if the earth was given to us as a birthright, a birthright can't be stolen. But what if they can

somehow, what if Satan can somehow become part of the family, even if it's by purpose? proxy. So I think that whenever they made it with the human women and they created the nephalum that was by proxy, now they had even more dominion, even more authority over the earth. And that's why things in the Old Testament were so terrible because Satan had way more control and way more freedom than what he does now. When Jesus came, even at the ascension, he said all authority has been given to me. He came and he shut that down and he took authority back for himself. So that's why we don't, you know, that's why it's not nearly as bad as what it used to be right now today.

James, do they talk about demigods in the Bible? No, not demigods. But I mean, like, if you want to, if you want to consider like what that would have been to us, are they just, like it would have been the Nephilim? Yeah, are they descendants of the Anaki? Ananaki or whatever? Well, do you want to think that the Ananaki would have been the Watchers? Well, that's what I'm just wondering.

And, you know, I shouldn't have asked you guys that question on the spot. You have to edit that. I think I know the answer to me, the Watchers and the Anianaki are almost the same thing where the Nephilim and the demigods come from. Okay. So demigods are essentially anything that are outside of the Watchers. offspring. So the Nephlam are demigods. These are part supernatural, part human. The Ananaki come down the line, right? So the Ananaki come not necessarily on the first lineage or bloodline of the Nephlam, which would be from the Watchers to human women. The Ananaki come much further. Think about David and

Goliath. Think about Gilgamesh. Think about all of these other, you know, kings, rulers, or potential gods. These would be considered potentially Ananaki. This is a bloodline or a lineage from the nephalum. So it's not necessarily as, I guess you could say as, as condensed as the nephalim are, but the Ananaki shared a very heavy bloodline from my understanding to the nephlam. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean that they have all the same characteristics as a nephalm or all the same powers or even the part human, part supernatural being structure, but they do have some and the Ananaki they believe is from that bloodline. So from everything I've read, I think that's where the Ananaki comes from.

Even, you know, the giants they talk about in the Bible multiple times, although they may not necessarily have been the Nephilim themselves. I do believe they come from the bloodline of the Nephlam. And I think that's where the Ananaki thing comes from. The Ananaki tribes, the Ananaki beans, this group of people that came directly from the Nephlam and their offspring. And obviously as you go down the bloodline of Nephlam, as they keep procreating, they're going to get more of that human, you know, kind of side or bloodline to themselves. It's almost like they become half human, half animal in a way.

And the reason why I say that is during this clip, he's talking about the zodiac. He's talking about Atlantis. He's talking about Poseidon. And Poseidon in Greek mythology is a god. just like Well, he would have been essentially a either a Nephlem or an Ananaki

type god. Right. And they're like half human, half animal. And you think about zodiac and you think about constellations in the sky and you think about a lot of these constellations are named based on these Greek mythology gods. Well, I'll be honest with you. I don't think

that Poseidon or even Gilgamesh or anything, I don't think they were actually part animal. I think that if there's any type of misinformation or malinformation that they want you to believe, it is that they want you to believe that these were half animal or half God or half human. I actually think these were just half supernatural, half human. And I think that they tried to kind of muddy the water with the story with trying to make you believe this fantastical story of them being part whale or part horse or part whatever.

And I think they did that intentionally to lead you away from the fact. that there were actual beings that ruled or were upon this earth that were part supernatural and were part human to where it kind of negates and takes away the story of Enoch 1. Enoch 1 is a very important book. And the reason I say this is because it's the same thing that we're talking about with the UFO phenomenon, the interdimensional stuff, everything we're talking about today. Imagine this. If the watchers didn't just fall, mate and die off, but instead went underground, off world,

or interdimensional. I mean, UFOs may have been their craft. You think about the flying chariots of old, the wills within wheels of Ezekiel, which you talked about earlier, James, what if today's glowing orbs

or the tic tacks or the triangles that we're seeing any of this stuff? These are not aliens necessarily from another star system, but maybe watchers use an advanced technology. After all, if we think about what the watchers originally did, they corrupted mankind with technology.

They told them all of these things. make up everything. And so maybe they use these supernatural powers to observe or influence or even abduct humanity again. And maybe that's what's happening. And it has been happening over the past 100 years. You know, abductions, you know, modern genetic experiments, any of this stuff. Just as the watchers corrupted the genetic makeup of mankind in Enoch's day, you know,

modern alien, you know, we've heard about the alien abductions, right? and they often involve their reproductive experiments. You know, you hear people that say, you know, maybe they were pregnant by these things. I mean, it all sounds nuts. But reproductive experiments, hybrid children, genetic manipulation. I mean, are these aliens really continuing the watchers' forbidden mission to reshape humanity in their image? Or is it the watchers? Are they still around?

And then you think about Nephlin bloodlines, you know, did they survive? And there's, including myself, a lot of people that believe the net. Nephlam survived the blood, either through corrupted bloodlines or, you know, think about like Goliath and Anakim, or by re-manifesting through occult rituals or secret societies, which is what we talked about as well. Well, and when you're talking about aliens, you know, a lot of people believe in reptilians. Could reptilians be the Nephlim? Well, there has been a lot of talk about that these watchers had reptilians scales. reptilian eyes, fishy scales, or whatever the case is. There's been a lot of that, but we don't know.

And, you know, who knows? Today, they may actually walk among us, cloaked in power. You know, you think about this, even with the book of Enoch, they talked about continuously that these Nephlem, they didn't look. You might think of Nephlem as looking like some kind of weird monster. But Nephlems did not look like weird monsters. They were giants. They were huge.

and oftentimes they were described as very good-looking men, these men that were very strong, had huge muscles. They were like eight to nine feet tall in some cases. They were the most masculine alpha males that you would probably ever see, ever. I mean, if they made a movie on the Nephilim, it would depict these guys as like Mark Wahlberg that is like 10 foot tall, has the biggest muscles or some type of bodybuilder. This is what they would look like.

So it's not to say that just because they are part, you know, supernatural, part watcher, part human, that they're going to look like monsters. They don't. They actually take on the characteristics of the women that the watchers inhabited with or had sex with, fornicated with. The same way that like if you have sex or, you know, have a baby with someone that has red hair. Genetics. And maybe the genetics go to that red hair. well, the same way the Nephlem kind of spread around the world. There were Nephlam that may have had red hair.

There were nephalum that may have had blonde hair, you know, depending on the region or the area that they were born. And some believe that obviously that they survived the flood. And today they may walk among us. And that is what a lot of people have talked about. Now, the slow drip of UFO disclosure by governments could be part of the long game narrative, the ultimate goal is to reintroduce the watchers to humanity, not as fallen angels,

but as like ancient extraterrestrial benefactors. Do you, you know, with everybody James talking about, you know, this UFO thing, maybe being spiritual in nature, do you think at all that the UFO phenomenon or even just ancient UFO

encounters? I mean, we're talking about Roswell. That's not ancient, but go back to Egypt. Go back to all of the things they have on the cave walls. go back to the pictographs or the or all of the evidence we've ever had for any type of UFO encounters in history. Could this have all been because of the watchers?

And maybe that's what we're still experiencing today. In a sense, I kind of think you're on to something because, you know, they do want to deceive you, no matter what form there and they want to deceive you. That's what they want. but then too we got to think whenever the watchers came and they traded the men for the women what did they trade right they could have trade technology like we know they traded skills things like that like they taught us things but then like they um they could have given us technology so that's why too like a lot of the stuff that we have it could be just the things that

they told us and the people that could be the elite, you know, consider themselves the elite are the people that have this documentation, whatever it may be on how to create these things, how to manipulate the environment, you know, all these, but it's dark stuff. Don't get me wrong. What they're doing, and I think you can even agree, look at the world, like whatever they're doing, it's dark stuff. Yeah, I mean, I think even if you go back to the, you know, to these days, of Enoch.

You know, that was one of the main things that they did so well was they figured out how to manipulate the population. And they knew. They said, hey, well, we have to make sure that we control the food, control what they believe or think. We have to control all aspects of their society. And this, and this way, I think this, this is like the original game plan of the elites.

Yeah. And I mean, you're absolutely right. So it's like, you know, it's almost kind of like the elite, you know, whoever's in control. now it's almost like they found they found a manuscript or something somewhere like a 101 this is how to take over you know and it was probably the same exact system i actually guarantee it's the same exact system that the neflam used that the watchers used because that's the same exact system that the beast is using you know well i mean i think it goes back to even you know we did an episode on

the uh the pope and the vatican and the secret archives like what are they really hiding there And why do we even have a pope? You know, it's like the pope is supposed to be or has always kind of been the ruler or the authoritarian figure of the Christian church or the belief. And, you know, I saw a post from a pastor the other day. It says, I don't need the Pope out of Jesus Christ. But it's also interesting how the Vatican and the secret archives seems to hide a lot of information.

And there's many people that know for sure that the secret archives of the secret archives of Vatican maybe actually have some of the mission chapters of the book of Enoch which is also interesting I know that the from what many scholars believe in historians they think that the Vatican secret archives actually house the book of Enoch before or at least I guess during the time that's the guy that brought you know brought to light the book of Enoch from the Ethiopian Bible. James Bruce yeah James Bruce well the Vatican Secret Archive I've already had that. But we also don't know what else the secret archive has.

Like, what else are they hiding? That's why the big conspiracy has always been. Like, what does the secret archive know about UFOs and aliens? And I think that UFOs and aliens are 100% connected to the, you know, to the watchers, to the Nephlem, to these demigods as what we've known. It's spiritual. Yeah, absolutely. I believe for sure it's spiritual.

I think that the storyline has already been told throughout history. I think it's there, but I also think that to the point of like, hey, here's the Bible, 66 books, it's cannicle. This is the only thing you're supposed to believe. Although I do believe the Bible tries to go back to Enoch 1 to tell you certain things about Enoch 1, almost as if it's like, hey, we're not necessarily going to put Enoch 1 or Enoch in general into the Bible, but we're going to reference it continually. it makes people want to read the book of Enoch.

They take so much from the book of Enoch that it's almost saying without saying that the book of Enoch matters, if that makes any sense. Yeah. That's kind of, you know, you're kind of on the same space as I'm at. It's like, again, like I said in the beginning, is I don't think I'll ever go as far as the, you know, call it scripture. But I do think it is absolutely beneficial. I think it, you know, it shows us, it absolutely shows.

us what what the Jews believed in the Old Testament, you know, like the ancient Jews, like because they read it. They probably believed it. That's how they saw their history, you know? So, I mean, it's beneficial, but I don't think I'll ever go as far to call it scripture, but I don't think, again, with that, I don't think it teaches anything, at least, you knock one, I don't think it teaches anything that would go against scripture. And I think, too, the reason why it doesn't really matter to you one way or another is it doesn't teach you salvation. It doesn't teach you how to get to Jesus. There's just references within the Bible, but you don't really need Enoch in order to have salvation is what I think I'm hearing from you. Exactly. There's nothing in Enoch that he never goes, you know, like this is how you get to know God, this is how you get saved, nothing like that.

Like he is literally just telling a story. Yeah, and I know it sounds just, I mean, it's like a broken record. And the reason why I wanted to start with Enoch was because of the fantastical story of the watchers and Anephalm. When we think today of UFOs or aliens or supernatural beings or this other world or interdimensional concepts of reality that I think that most people go about their daily lives and they go to work, they come home, they make dinner, they have kids. they have a husband and wife, they go to sleep, they wake up, they do the same thing over and over and over again.

But yet there's always one question to everyone's mind that is like, why do we do this every day? Is there something else out there? Is there another reality? And I think personally that when you start actually bringing in the book of Enoch, it shows you that there is more than likely another reality than what we just are mundanely told or made to do on a daily basis. And I know that like it's interesting to me because that was one of the discussions we had past few days as far as like some people believe that, hey, I should read everything other than just the Bible. And I think that by reading everything other than just a Bible,

I think it does allow people to open their minds up a little more. There's a lot of people to read the Bible and they say, well, there's so many stories that I don't understand. A lot of this stuff doesn't make sense. Even with Enoch and the flood, I think if you read Enoch, even with that storyline, whether you agree or disagree as a Christian, you know, it makes more sense about the flood than what how the Bible describes it necessarily. But I think there are a lot of books that they should not have left out. I think they left them out for a reason because I think that they want in my mind,

they want to constrict our minds to constrict our thinking and our reality to only what we are told to do on a daily basis. You are to work for the man, work for the system, be controlled by the power. And that's exactly what has happened since Enoch 1. That is what the watchers came down to do. They controlled mankind. They controlled them through manipulation, through power. And then they commanded their Nephlim, which is why they procreated with the women. They knew that the only way we had an end to the humans was to procreate with them, to share the bloodline of them to where we could then have this kind of evil bloodline in mankind. And so then they became the kings. They were the rulers because they were bigger

and everybody. They were stronger than everybody. They would murder, you know, hundreds of people. There's actually something I saw the other day. There's been this meme going out and says, what would a hundred men do to one gorilla, right? That's been a big meme going around. It's like, could a hundred men defeat one gorilla? And so if you think about that meme, that's the same way you would think about a nephlem. A nephlum, one nephalum of a thousand men would probably a thousand men be destroyed. And so these watchers knew that they had to procreate and they had to make these things giants and they had to rule and they had to have this ultimate rule of mankind.

And I think today we still have that structure. Now, I'm not saying that we should not have law and order. I'm not even necessarily saying we should not have government or any of that stuff. But I do think that the corruption in government and corruption in power is absolutely connected and tied in some ways, even back to the Watchers in Nephlam. I think that people that are in power are often corrupted, and I think they want power absolutely. You have people in power long enough.

They're going to become corrupted. But you said they had to do these things. Well, they had to do these things in order to go against God. And we got to keep that in mind. That's the only reason why they did these things is because they wanted to go to God, go against God, and become their own gods here on Earth. Yeah. Well, they had to create an army.

It was a Nephlam army. They had to create more of them. I mean, they only had 200 of them as it was that came down. And so what they did was they had sex with women to then make more of them, even though it was not fully all of them. But these Nephlam did have powers that the humans did not. They were much stronger, much bigger. And they had supernatural characteristics. They were demigods.

Yeah, and I could see how humans would idolize these type of beings. Or you have to. because if you don't, you get killed. And that's what Nephlam did. They ate the people. Once the people started realizing that, oh, shit, they're taking all their food. Yeah, they're taking all our food. It's nuts.

This story of Enoch is crazy. But the reason why we want to do this episode as an introduction episode is just to introduce you to what Enoch is. Enoch is the story of the watchers, which are an angelic being force that came down from heaven. They were rebellious angels to God. They came down. They had sex of women. they created Nephlam, which became giants.

And then there was a flood to wipe out all the giants and all of the watchers, even though they'd never wiped out the watchers because the watchers could not necessarily have been wiped out. And that's enough humans. So they sent archangels down to bind the watchers into Shul. And even many people believe to this day that Nephlam did not all die out after the flood, nor do they believe that the watchers died out. And I think that if you get to these storylines, whether it be Tucker Carlson,

whether it be Sean Ryan, whether it be any of these people saying what they believe about UFOs and the UFP phenomena going on right now, I think it is spiritual. I do think it is demonic or a battle between the good versus evil. I think we are seeing that manifested. And I do potentially think that they could be on this earth as it is, especially if we start thinking about the little caverns that they said that they have down on earth. And, you know, we see these UFOs or these craft that are coming from the ocean on a regular basis. Oh, that goes into the hollow earth, the concept completely.

Yeah, the hollow earth. We did the hollow earth. It was Admiral Bird from the Air Force. I think it was back in the, what was it, 40s. Hell, he was on camera saying that he was in Antarctica. He went into this cavern in an airplane. He saw this hollow earth, this magnificent area. He wrote it in a journal.

He went on television and said it. Could this be part? of it is that why Antarctica is so secretive? We don't know. But at the very least, James, if you think about Enoch 1 or just the book of Enoch in general and even the Old Testament and you think about how it describes giants, well, the people that say that they see these things in the sky or they have these experiences, maybe they're not so crazy is what I'm saying.

no I don't think absolutely not I mean I've even seen things in the sky you know but to say you know who it is that's just where I get caught up

in like I know I know there's stuff there I know stuff's going on but I would almost put it on like it being not even just our technology but it's somebody's technology and what they're trying to do is they're trying to not just scare us but

confuse us. Yeah. I think that's what's happening. It could be. It absolutely could be. But I think that as we go through this journey, we're going to go through the biblical storyline. This is something that we struggle with all the time.

Sherry and I do. You know that James. We're always on Telegram asking questions, talking about the Bible, talking about our spiritual journey. And for anybody out there that wants to kind of join that, go to Telegram, find us, investigate Earth Conspiracy podcast. You can find it on Telegram. Just download the app.

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This is a hard topic, guys. And I hope that we did the very best we could, trying to explain. like what the book of Enoch is because that is the hardest thing. We're not experts. We are not, you know, we're not scholars. We're not any of that stuff. I have been reading for months and it's still hard to put together in a storyline of what it actually is. I have not been reading for months, but I think I got it.

Yeah. Well, even reading for months, it's like it almost confuses you more. And it's like, how do I say all of the things I've just read? It's really hard. But the baseline of what I have read for three months is basically what we just told you. James, do you want anybody to follow you anywhere? Do you want to shout out any social media? You can, if you need to ask questions or want to talk, you can come find me in the telegram

group or I do also have a blog I started like last month. I'm uploading posts like every other day. And that's 404 found. Dot blog. And you can even, I even have an email address on there that you can contact. man so all my good stuff nice well that sounds good guys um we're going to play it out with walking dead by wellness until next time let us know what you think about the book of being on do you think it's real do you think the aliens and the watchers are connected

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