Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - The Moon Landing Fake Evidence Conspiracy with Bart Sibrel

Episode Date: January 14, 2026

Lets get into one of the most controversial debates in modern history as we sit down with conspiracy filmmaker and researcher Bart Sibrel to explore the claims and evidence behind the idea that the Apollo Moon landings were staged. In this episode, Sibrel walks us through his journey from fascinated believer to outspoken skeptic, the documentaries he has produced, and the specific pieces of alleged evidence that have kept this debate alive for decades. Along the way we’ll also touch on the infamous public clash with astronaut Buzz Aldrin and how Sibrel’s work has shaped the ongoing conspiracy conversation. Whether you come in skeptical or open-minded, this deep-dive into the Moon landing conspiracy is one you don’t want to miss.This is a reupload. Our new episode with Bart Sibrel will air January 19th

Hey guys, welcome back to Investigator's podcast. This episode is going to be a re-upload of our interview with Bart Sebrel. For those that do not know who Bart Sebril is, many people believe that he is the best investigative journalist when it comes to the moon landing of anybody. And he believes that we never went to the moon. Now, the reason why we are re-uploading this episode is because we actually have Bart Sebril back on the show Monday, January the 19th, where we're going to question him about his interview on Danny Jones and his confrontation with NASA astronaut Charlie Duke, which was alleged to have landed

on the moon. Now, there's different public sentiment as far as how that interview went. Some people believe that Bart Sibrell, I guess blindsided Charlie Duke. Charlie Duke claims that he didn't know that he was going to be confronted about the quote unquote fake moon landing. And so the reason why I want to re-upload this is because even if you have heard this, I encourage you to listen to this interview again because many people wrote into us and said, We think that this is Bart Cybrel's best interview he's ever done on any podcast.

Obviously, Bart's been on Joe Rogan. He's been on everything. So I do encourage you guys to listen to it, even if you have already heard this interview before because Monday's episode is going to be a banger. Guys, we'll be back very soon. We're going to be back much sooner than Monday, January 19th. But either way, enjoy the interview. We will be back likely tomorrow.

Until next time. Hello and welcome to Investigator of Podcast. I'm your host, Chad, alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. Tonight on the show, we're diving into one of the most controversial questions of our time, was the moon landing faked? Our guest, Bart Seabrell, filmmaker, investigative journalist, and author of Moonman, the true story of a filmmaker on the CIA hit list. With over four decades in television and film, Bart has produced documentaries like a funny thing to happen on the way to the moon and astronauts gone wild,

where he famously confronted Apollo astronauts about their missions. His work challenges the official story and raises serious questions about whether the Apollo missions were history's greatest deception. Very, very excited about the show. We have been trying to get Bart on probably about seven or eight months now. We've kind of just been back and forth. But guys, welcome to the show. It is September the 3rd, 2025. The name of that song is Need Your Touch.

Bart, welcome to the show, man. Well, thank you, Chad. How are you? We are doing fantastic and very, very excited. excited about this topic. We have done multiple episodes on the moon landing, whether or not it was staged, hoax, fake. And as we were talking about before the show, you are more than just a journalist and investigative journalist. You are an actual filmmaker and you've kind of been in TV and production for a long time. Can you give us a little bit of your background on that? Well, I started out as an actor and I've been on stage about 500 times, been in TV commercials and teleplay. and stage plays. And after doing, I don't know, the first 10 or so productions, I thought, well, who are these anonymous writers who will never meet whose words were treating like scripture?

I could write a play. So I started writing plays. And then after that, I thought, well, you know, some of these might make good short films. I produced them as short films for local TV. and that led to developing a television production company where in Nashville I produced corporate films and TV commercials and music videos. So a filmmaker's job is to make fake scenes look real. And that's how I noticed that the Apollo pictures were in fact taken with electrical light, which means they're on Earth and not the moon. Yeah, that is very interesting. So you've been obviously around the movie industry, the TV, the production side of things. And as you said, is that kind of what got your mind into this moon landing deal?

I mean, obviously you were a producer first, a filmmaker. When did you even get into this topic of, you know, the moon landing, possibly a fake moon landing? Well, I grew up believing they were real and maybe even more so than the average person. I was four years old at the time of sleep in bed. But my father was a high-ranking officer in the Air Force. and he got a VIP package of maybe 29 by 12 color prints from Apollo 11 that he gave to me, and it was my cherished present. Wherever we moved, which was about every two years, they had a prominent place on my bedroom wall.

So from the age of 4 to 14, if I only saw them once a day, that would be 3,650 times, assuming that they were on the moon and really being mesmerized by them. or you could say hypnotized by them. And then when I was 14, I saw a gentleman who worked for the Apollo program for six years with the second highest security clearance to Von Braun, who said that he edited a memo from von Braun to the Pentagon, warning them that the odds of going to the moon on the first attempt with untried 1960s technology was about a one in 10,000 chance.

Wow. So, like having a bad hand in poker, they decided to bluff. And in fact, there was no independent press coverage. It's not like World War II happening on Earth in front of billions of eyewitnesses. This was on the moon. And only three eyewitnesses, ex-military people, Richard Nixon, president at the time. And the flight director later admitted that someone in the command center can tell no difference

between a, quote, simulated flight and a, quote, real flight. So if someone in the command center and Houston Control can't tell the difference between a real or fake flight, then how could we, years later, after our birth or as a four-year-old watching it in our living room on television? So that planted the seed in my mind, and I went to my bedroom wall, and I'm like, oh, you know, I never noticed that. kind of like my eyes were wide shut, and suddenly I saw that the foreground and the background had a different color. It became out of focus. And sure enough, a couple of years ago, the smartest AI in the world, not available to the public, called Google's neural network that they were showing off at an AI conference, they would let a team of VIPs play with it for a few days.

And one had it write a symphony. One had it write a novel. and one took advantage of its deep fake detector program, which has never been wrong. They fed it pictures of the moon surface taken from unmanned Chinese probes from 2018. It said the pictures are real. It fed them pictures from the Apollo mission, Nixon administration. It said every single one of them was a fake backdrop. Therefore, a television studio, therefore the moon missions were indeed falsified.

So I planted, you know, the... that in my mind as a 14-year-old after spending 10 years being Gaga over the moon missions. And then fast forward another 10 years at 24, I'd become a filmmaker. And that was when I knew, not only were they taken with the electrical light, I could even tell you what kind of an electrical light, because I owned them. And the producer of that program I had seen as a 14-year-old ended up being one of my clients as a 24-year-old. He put me in touch with the gentleman who worked at NASA, and he's the one who first suggested that I make a movie, which ended up being called. A funny thing happened on the way to the moon, which you can see

on the homepage of subrel.com. That's S-is-S-S-S-S-I-B-E-S-M-Boy, R-E-L-Sabrell.com. And this seven-year project was financed by a millionaire who builds rockets for NASA, who knows that the moon missions are fake, who gave me a million dollars to expose it, and I was producing the film under the theory, it might be true, that they faked it. And lo and behold, we found classified footage, which we put in the movie,

and we have them faking, being halfway to the moon from Earth orbit, with a one-foot model of the Earth, and a third track of audio of the CIA, telling them to fake a four-second radio delay to make it appear their beyond-Earth orbit. And here we are 56 years later, and they still cannot leave Earth orbit. Yeah.

So that was what convinced me. We have footage that two NBC news directors agree proves that the missions were falsified, and they were threatened by the federal government not to broadcast it. So it's a sad, sad day when you realize they actually did fake the moon landing. The poster child, the conspiracy theories, is... Actually, correct. They did fake the moon landing. And the longer it goes on from 1969, the more foolish the original claim seems to be. Lindbergh flew across the Atlantic, I think, in 1927. That was about 3,000 miles. So what they're saying is 56 years later, right, which would be 1982, the farthest an airplane could fly is three miles. because today, with 56 years better rockets and computers, the farthest that NASA can send an astronaut into space is only 1,000th the distance to the moon.

So how could they have a thousand times greater technology in 1969 when all of NASA's computers combined had one millionth to computing power of cell phone? You can't have greater technology in the past and in the future. Yeah. Because just 10 years after they blew up the atomic bomb, it was 1,000 times more powerful. So if they could go to the moon on the first attempt with 1960s technology, we would have been on Mars 10 years later. We'd be in another solar system by now. There'd be bases all over the moon.

But they cannot leave Earth orbit 56 years later. They postponed returning to the moon 10 times. They said 10 times we're going to return to the moon in five years. they're not able to do it. Yeah, and that was through Obama. Yeah. That's crazy. And what do you think is the reason why we can't go to the moon?

Is it because of the Van Ellen belt? Is it because of lost technology or technology we simply do not have? Well, there's nothing lost about it. It was destroyed. And the reason it was destroyed, the schematics, the blueprints, the telemetry data, the videotapes is because it would prove to be fraudulent. If you really went to the moon and spent an equivalent of $250 billion, okay? The last thing you would do would be to destroy it all.

In fact, the only time in history you might consider destroying a technology would be the atomic bomb, but just 10 years later, it was 1,000 times more explosive. So if you really went to the moon and spent $250 billion, you would never destroy that investment. However, if you perpetrated a fraud, that's exactly what you would do. There are multiple technical reasons why they cannot go to the moon, and that's why they destroyed the hardware, the schematic, the blueprints, and the original videotapes. They don't have enough fuel. Von Braun said, in his own writings that we uncovered, to go to the moon and one rocket

is impossible. He said it's mathematically irrefutable that the minimum it would take would be three. three rockets if each rocket weighed 800,000 tons, taller than the Empire State Building, 10 times the weight of the Queen Mary. The Saturn 5 was only 2,500 times instead of 800,000 times 3. It's a difference of 90,000 percent. Elon Musk just said to go to the moon, it's going to take 15 rocket fuel trips to a fuel station first. and then from there, you may be able to go to the moon.

A recent TED Talk actually says it's going to take 24 fuel trips of rockets taller than the Apollo rocket in order to have enough fuel to go beyond Earth orbit. We have Von Braun on video saying the largest rocket we can build can only achieve Earth orbit. So the Saturn 5, it was not capable of leaving Earth orbit, and we have a video that proves it. We have a classified tape. You pop in, it says don't show to the public. And Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins, and Buzz Aldrin are using a one-foot model of the Earth in Earth orbit, pretending they're halfway to the moon, which means they can't go halfway. They don't have enough fuel to leave Earth orbit. And then, even if they did have enough fuel, like you said, Sherry, there's this deadly radiation field that they would have to go through.

and one of the clips at subbrel.com, my book is interactive. It's an audio, kindle, or print. I write a chapter. Then I say go to link one, link two. One of the links is a NASA engineer saying that the deadly radiation field exists and it prevents people from going to the moon. He says we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space, meaning that technology to survive going through the radiation has not been.

been invented yet. So we have an admission from NASA saying they don't to this day have the technology. Otherwise, they would be on the moon. I mean, look at the South Pole. It's 100 miles per hour wind, 100 degrees below zero, but there are people there because it's possible. If it were possible to go to the moon, there would be bases there by multiple nations, but no one is there because it's still not possible. So if it's not possible today, how could it be? possible in 1969 on the first attempt. Yeah, and Bart, I want to play a quick clip as two minutes. Just listen real quick.

This is NASA essentially openly admitting we can't go to the moon. Here you go. Shielding will be put to the test as the vehicle cuss through the waves of radiation. Censors aboard will record radiation levels for scientists to study. We must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space. We must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space. But we're also really pushing the boundaries in terms of where we're going forward with exploration. I think humans are naturally driven to do this.

And this is really the beginning, I think, of human beings leaving low Earth orbit. I certainly plan on being around to see that. The plan that NASA has is to build a rocket called SLS, which is a heavy lift rocket. It's something that is much bigger than what we have today. And it will be able to launch the Orion capsule. with humans on board, as well as landers or other components to destinations beyond Earth orbit. Right now, we only can fly in Earth orbit. That's the farthest that we can go.

We only can fly in Earth orbit. That's the farthest that we can go. And this new system that we're building is going to allow us to go beyond and hopefully take humans into the solar system to explore. So the moon, Mars, asteroids, there's a lot of destinations that we could go to. And we're building these building block components in order to allow us. do that of X-way. So there you go. I mean, they openly admit we can't go to the moon, yet they have tried to pass off,

you know, that we have been to the moon. And can you explain a little bit, Bart, about the Van Allen radiation belts? Is that essentially like sending someone through a system that is how many more, I guess how many more times powerful is that to X-rays as far as radiation goes? Well, compared to an X-ray, it would probably be something like that. like 10,000 times more potent. Let's talk about those clips for a second. I presume the third clip, there were three clips.

The third one I couldn't hear is that the space shuttle astronauts saying we hope to go to the moon eventually. Is that what he said? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We hope to go to the moon eventually, meaning we haven't gone. The second clip, if I could ask you to email me, because I hadn't heard that one, where the female, a presumed space shuttle astronaut, said, we hope this. is the beginning of leaving Earth orbit, right?

A second confirmation from a space shuttle astronaut. And then the first clip was an engineer of NASA saying that this radiation field that most people don't know exists, it begins a thousand miles above the Earth. Every manned mission in space has been below that except going to the moon. The average orbital height is only 250 miles. So it's 750 miles before the radiation, except going to the moon. He says we must solve these challenges, radiation challenges, before we send people through this region of space.

So there's two admissions. We must solve these challenges, meaning the radiation protection challenges have not been solved yet. He said so. We must solve these challenges. We must do this in the future. before we send people through this region of space, meaning people have not been through that region of space before. Otherwise, they would be dead.

So that, yes, is one of the reasons they cannot go to the moon. They don't have enough fuel to have gone in one rocket. They could not have survived going through the radiation belt, meaning they never left Earth orbit. We have video footage of them pretending to be halfway to the moon from Earth orbit, dated two days into the flight. and then the lunar module claimed that it protected them from 250 degrees Fahrenheit and got the inside down to 72 degrees on air conditioning running 24-7 for three days against 250 degrees on a bunch of car batteries. And so that proves it.

And this, of course, is why they destroyed the technology. Yeah. We have one of the clips at subrel.com saying they intentionally destroyed the moon technology. Now, why would they do that? If they really went to the moon, that would be the last thing that they would do. But if they faked it, that'd be the first thing they would do to cover their tracks because it could be later proven. Yeah. It didn't have enough fuel. Didn't have the radiation protection. It didn't have the air conditioning battery power. Not to mention, Von Braun said, if you landed on the moon, you would have a 50% chance every 24 hours of

a catastrophic failure from a micrometeorite. Because there's no atmosphere, tens of thousands of micrometeorites are hitting the moon every day, and one of those will eventually go through your spacecraft or space suit sitting there on the moon. You'd have to have a lead shield or go into a cave, which they never did. So the fact that in 2014, NASA said they were going to have people orbiting the moon in 2018, which they never did. They were four years behind schedule, and in 2022, they had mannequins orbiting the moon. Okay, so let me get this straight. With 1960s technology, you can play golf and drive cars on the moon, but with 56 years

better technology, you can only have mannequins orbiting in the moon, because they would die from the radiation. In fact, I asked Nefsa for the Geiger countermeetings. that they sent up in an unmanned probe into the radiation belt. Their response was that is classified. And I'm like, wait a minute, why would the temperature of a thermometer be classified, right? You sent probes to the sun,

the amount of helium in the sun's atmosphere isn't classified, the amount of hydrogen and Jupiter's atmosphere isn't classified. Why would the temperature outside or how much radiation is in the radiation belt be classified? unless revealing it would prove they didn't go to the moon, which two space shuttle astronauts just admitted. We hope to have this as the beginning of leaving Earth orbit, and we hope to eventually go to the moon. Please send me the second clip.

I hadn't heard that one before. We'll do. And, Barr, I've got to ask you, so how many, obviously, you've been in this for quite a while? I mean, you said your fascination really began. As a child, yeah. As a child at 14 years old. And then going.

forward, like how many NASA staff or scientists or witnesses or any, like, who did you actually interview and research with and kind of talk about this with? And who was the most notable throughout your, I guess, research that really stood out the most as far as the people that you interviewed or talked with? Well, Buzz Aldrin and I have had many good conversations on and off the record. And my follow-up film, Astronauts Gone Wild, He admitted on camera twice and I was correct. He says, oh, you must have an ego to want to propel your career as a reporter by reporting this. This great story, this great scoop.

Well, how could I become famous if I'm wrong? And then he said him and the Alarmstrong were just passengers. No one actually piloted anything. They orbited the Earth for eight days. He admitted to a friend of mine that the moon landings were fake. He admitted accidentally on camera. you know, the clip from about eight years ago, where a little girl asked him, why haven't returned. And he says, well, because we didn't go in the first place. And so he's been a great source.

I've had private conversations with Neil Armstrong, where he basically said, the moon, or I was correct, is what he said. And good luck proving it because no one's going to want to believe it. And he's correct. Because, you know, whoever killed JFK, you could say it was this person or that person. It's still a tragedy, right? It's like 9-11. You can change the hat on who did it and why. It's still a tragedy. This is different.

This is a positive lie. This is people saying my team won the Super Bowl. You have Glenn Beck, super conservative. You have Bill Maher, super liberal, both saying the moon missions are real because Americans were first on the moon. my team won the Super Bowl. How dare you say that they cheated by bribing the referee, underinflating the football, putting, you know, sleeping aides in the gatorade of the opposing team, moving the goalpost, you see? But what if it's true?

They don't want to hear it. I've talked to college professors who are teaching aerospace at a major university in America, and they said, even if Neil Armstrong confessed on national TV that it was fake, they would still think he walked on the moon anyway. They have literally made a God out of this. Now, me, a 14-year-old, I'm open-minded. It doesn't, you know, to me, it's irrelevant whether they went or didn't go as far as a fact. I'm just looking for the truth. If someone's on trial for murder, I don't want them to be guilty. I don't want them to be innocent. I just want to know the truth. and that's what it boils down to.

People aren't interested in the truth anymore. And originally, I even turned down this project because as I started investigating it, with the shadows intersecting when they should be parallel and the weird behavior of the astronauts and the Soviets being more advanced, they said, you know, something doesn't smell right. And I have this kind of relentless, never give up personality. I love puzzles. and I thought if anyone could find out whether they went to the moon or not, it would be me. But if they indeed faked it and I start overturning these rocks, might be dangerous.

So I actually turned down the project originally. It wasn't until I started reading the Bible and developing a conviction of right and wrong and realizing that if they fake the moon landing, and I assure you they did, go to subrel.com. You'll see all the proof necessary. if they fake the moon landing, which they did, that's more profound historically than if they had actually gone. Do you see that? Either they planted a flag and came back, boy, that was a close one, or the most powerful

nation on earth that hypocritically says it represents truth and justice, lied about mankind's greatest accomplishment, embezzled the sweat, the hard-earned money of their citizens, and even hired CIA agents to murder people who were going to expose it. If that's true, and I assure you it is, that's one of the most profound events in human history, not going to the moon, but the faking of the moon landing at a pride and greed and really just immaturity, and that the governments above people can in no way be trusted. This country was founded, not by the country. Constitution by the Declaration of Independence. It said when any government becomes destructive

of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it. Well, the first one is life. I interviewed the widow of the man who was going to be the first man to walk on the moon, who was a whistleblower at NASA. I interviewed her for four hours. She says her husband was murdered by the CIA, along with two other people who would not cooperate with the moon landing fraud. I know of an eyewitness who saw them filming the first moon landing, June 1st, second and third of 1968 at Cannon Air Force Base, where he was the chief of security. As he was dying, he even admitted to killing a coworker to keep it a secret. So we have an eyewitness.

We have photographic evidence where shadows intersect at 90 degrees when they should be parallel if they're in sunlight, proving its electrical light. We have this footage that shows them faking being halfway to the moon with the CIA on a hidden track of audio. And we have the logic. You cannot have a thousand times greater space traveling technology in 1969 than today. You cannot have greater technology in the past. There can't be a Toyota car that gets 3,000 miles per gallon in 1969, but only 30 miles per gallon today.

It's not possible. And I want to point out something to our audience because I don't, you know, there will probably be people that listen to this podcast. We've done this for eight years, Bart, and we build a loyal audience for a very long time. And there's probably going to be people that have not heard about you unless they connect you with certain things. Now, I think maybe you are the only person that has actually been in a fight with an Apollo astronauts. Well, I wasn't a fight. I was assaulted by a couple Apollo astronauts. One of them being Buzz Aldrin, right?

Yeah. I asked him to swear on a Bible that he walked on the moon. And I called him a liar, a coward, and a thief, which he is. But, of course, I am as well. We've all sinned. And he got mad and he punched me. Now, if I walked on the moon and someone thought otherwise, I would find that hysterically funny. Exactly.

But what he acted was like I walked up to him in front of his wife and said, oh, your mistress says hello. You see, a sword with no point causes no injury. He got mad because I am correct. Another astronaut threatened to shoot me. Another one threatened to punch me. Another one kicked me from behind. and one, we accidentally left a live wireless microphone in his home with the doors closed while our camera were still recording in the backseat of the rental car.

And we hear clear his crystal, him and his son, discussing whether or not to call the CIA to have me killed. Now, if I'm some silly person who thinks the moon landing was filmed at Cannon Air Force Base a year in advance, why would the CIA care? You see? why would Apollo astronaut have the CIA in his Rolodex? And I wanted to make a clear point here is that I think that you, you are one of what Casey is the other one, right?

So it's you and Casey that's kind of been on this, but I think you in large part have been the biggest thorn in this CIA op, which is the moon landing for a very long time. And we'll get into like what is the, you know, there's probably people listen and said, okay, so if you're saying the moon landing, was faked and we're going to get into some more details of why we think is faked but you know the bigger thing is people are asking well why would they fake it right like what is the purpose of this and

why do you believe that your life has been in danger you know throughout this process because you feel like at some point in time obviously the CIA knew about you you know likely maybe even questioned whether or not to get rid of you and this was how important this this lie that the government created and presented was. What do you feel like, let's just talk about this for a second, what do you feel like the reasoning was behind the big lie of the moon landing? What is the reason? Well, originally, I believed it was to fool the Soviets. The Soviets had launched the first satellite, the first animal, the first man, the first woman, the first spacewalk, the first crew of three, the first of two spacecrafts at the same time. For every 10 hours we spent in space,

they spent 50 hours, five to one difference. Every single space milestone they did first. Zero on the United States part. So we bluffed. We made it appear that we had greater technology than they did. I'm sure they found out by now, and we can get into the fact that they are blackmailing the United States, and that's why they're not going public with it. There's a lot of benefits.

They embezzled the money. This is during the Vietnam War. where the Congress said you cannot go into Cambodia or Laos, but they did so anyway. Where did they get that money from? If they're only orbiting the earth, then they've got about three quarters, 75% of $250 billion left over to do what they want with it. And then you can get down to the core spiritual reason. When President Clinton, after he denied having an affair about 20 times, finally admitted it,

Someone asked him why? Why did you do it? And he said, because I could, because I could get away with it. You see, that's why they did it. According to Bobby Kennedy Jr., who has more access to the JFK files than Oliver Stone does, he is 100% certain that the CIA killed their president. Now, if that's not election, interference, I don't know what is. A couple of years later, Congress was against entering the Vietnam War. 90% of Americans were against entering the Vietnam War. Just like on December 6th, 1941, 90% of Americans were against entering World War II. Then Pearl Harbor happened, and overnight, 90% wanted to get even. So Robert McNamor, Defense Secretary Andrew Johnson, who took over after Kennedy was killed, said we need something like Pearl Harbor. He admitted before he died that the CIA and him fabricated a fake attack on an American ship by a North Vietnamese ship in the Gulf of Tonkin. It never happened.

Congress passed a law called the Gulf of Tonkin resolution that started a war that killed three million people. Yeah. 58,220 of their own citizens. You see? So if they're willing to kill their own president, they're willing to kill 58, 220 of their own people and three million agents, I don't think they're going to have a problem faking a video image of the moon. You see, the same people are emboldened.

You rob a bank, get away with a million, you rob another, get away with two. You're just emboldened. They got away with Kennedy. got away with the Gulf and Tonkin. They did it because they could, because they could get away with it. And then they didn't just do it one time. They did it six times, ringing in that money off the taxpayer's burden, using those salaries, right? Those tax checks, that sweat from somebody working on the roof out in the hot sun, by the time you pay all your taxes, federal, state, and local, you only keep half of your money.

And a large portion of that went not only to deceive Americans about the moon landing, it paid the salaries of CIA agents who killed people who were going to expose it. My source, and this is in my book, Moonman at subrille.com, it's in Kindle, audio, or print. We have the confession of Cyrus Eugene Akers, who was the chief of security at Cannon Air Force Base, who supervised the security of the fake moon landing being filmed in an airplane anger. He was given by President Johnson a list of VIPs who were allowed in. He kept it as a souvenir. We published that in the book.

A few months before the book was published on confirming all these details with his surviving son, and a couple of days later, he's met by government agents who threatened to kill him and his family, if he ever speaks to me again about his father's participation in the moon landing fraud. We had the White House involved in investigating whistleblower protection. We had the United States Senate Intelligence Committee involved in the local FBI to protect this person. And this was only about three years ago. It's a great embarrassment if it comes out that the U.S. faked the moon landing, an embarrassment on the international stage. And people will revolt against the fall.

federal government if it comes out. But what choice do we have? If we don't admit the truth, then the liars have won. And if any president, current or future, really wants to unite both political parties against corruption, show them that they were played for as suckers. For six times, they were lied to and deceived and robbed and murdered. Yeah. Right? About the moon landing. fraud, show them that. And then you'll have an historic mandate to reform the federal government, because it's my estimate that you could cut the budget in half and you would only be getting rid of corruption. And you'd have the same services available. Yeah, this is what I call, you know, even with today, you know, back in the day, moon landing, JFK assassination, look how long

has taken us. I mean, with the amount of time is taken for the JFK files, which are still highly redacted. you know, and even the moon landing and everything's surrounding that. And it's like now it's like in your face. You know, it's like now they just, it's so obvious how the American people in so many ways are being screwed, our tax dollars, what they're being used for. Think about USAID or all of these various programs to where they funnel or launder money through these, you know, BS companies or organizations or NGOs primarily is what they use this for.

but it's like the moon landing was a huge stepping stone into where we're at now. I mean, do you ever think about that as far as just how blatant they are now? Oh, yeah. Well, redaction is blatant. It'd be like me buying a car from you, Chad, giving you cash, and you give me a hubcap. And you say, like, well, where's the rest of the car? You say, well, it's redacted. It's my car.

I paid for it. Redaction should be illegal. unless it's some military hardware that we want to keep secret against a foreign power. That should be the only exception. Redaction should be illegal. It's our government. We're paying the salaries of the people at the CIA. So anything they do belongs to us, right?

Yeah. So therefore, redaction is spitting in the American public's face, right? Yeah. Where's my car? You can't just give me up, guys. after I paid for it, right? Would anyone think that was right? Would that fly in a court of law?

No, absolutely. I paid Chad 30,000 for the car, but he only gave me a hubcap. Well, Chad's right. I'm sorry. No, no one would see it that way. And guess what? Chad's the government. Redaction that way.

And that's the situation that we're in. We're so deceived. Every newspaper, every television station, every magazine, every radio station, said men were on the moon when they were in Clovis, New Mexico, a year earlier on videotape. I mean, come on. So if they're at large, then what are they deceiving us about right now? All right.

So, Barr, I want to get into this because people are probably asking, like, just very physical, methodical, reality-based questions. How did they fake the moon landing? Like, if we could pull up the moon landing videos and how did they fake this? Like, what did they do in the studio? You as a filmmaker, someone that kind of knows this, this range. realm and especially even the lighting, how did they pull this off? Like, what was there?

Was it hard to pull this off, especially back then? Obviously, nowadays, it would be pretty easy. And I've always said, like, even with AI today, you know, we all have access now to chat GBT or all these various AI programs. But I believe that the United States government, I'm not saying that they had it back in the 60s. But what I am saying is that I think the United States government has had access to AI, advanced AI programs long before the public ever had access to them.

And I'm not saying that that's how they did it. But what I'm saying is, like, how did they pull this off to make it believable for the American public on television back then? I mean, what was the film process? Where did they film it? How did they get these, you know, like some of the pictures of looking back at Earth, so on and so forth? Well, they were redacting it as they went along. During the alleged landing, there were no live pictures. He had an Atari graphic, and it said simulation.

So literally, while they're allegedly landing, there's no video footage. Now, if they were really there, and I was the NASA director, I'd put a camera on the side of the rocket, have it on 24-7 and have it show the moon getting bigger, bigger, bigger, all the way down without an edit. But they didn't do that. They said simulation during the landing, a switch was flipped, and you see this grainy black and white image that they intentionally distorted by four generations, which was filmed at Cannon Air Force Base on videotape. You had everybody wanting to believe it.

You had Walter Cronkite saying it was real. He had Time Magazine saying it was real. Everybody said it was real. Everyone wanted it to be real, because how could you guarantee that your team will win the Super Bowl, you cheat? How can you guarantee that they will be successful going to the moon? you falsify it, and that's it. They did it in a TV studio.

Everyone was convinced from this black and white image, which probably could have been shot in someone's backyard with the spotlight. It's the higher resolution still pictures that bring into question whether or not they were using fake backdrops, which the recent AI said that they were. One of the alleged offenses of the moon landing is that it involved hundreds of thousands of people. How can you keep a secret from that many people? Well, you can't, so they weren't told.

I mean, come on, do you really think the CIA is so stupid to tell the person making the glove or the door handle or the boot? They were really not going to the moon. Be sure not to tell anybody. That's like saying what the CEO of a bank and what the 400,000 bank tellers know about corruption is identical, completely different. And if a guy in the command center cannot tell the difference between a practice flight and a, quote, real flight, then nobody can tell. of course the AI, which examined the pictures recently and said they all had fake backdrops, which means they were taken in a TV studio. I mean, go to subbrow.com on the homepage.

I show a video, the moon landing fraud, in three minutes, where if you go outside on a cloudless day and look at two trees, two telephone poles, two people standing, these shadows will always be parallel because the sun is the only light source, as it was said to be on the moon, and yet we have a picture taken from the alleged last mission where shadows are intersecting at 90 degrees from objects five feet apart. That proves it. I mean, come on. That cannot be replicated in sunlight.

You can prove the moon landing is fake with one picture, but people don't want to accept it. People say the moon landings must be real because the government wouldn't lie about such an important thing. Well, and Bart, you know, keeping in mind, too, you know, JFK was that. fascinated in 1963, right? So then you supposedly have the moon landing in 1969. And during that period of five years, you had public distrust for the government at an all, not an all time load. I mean, in comparison to today, but at that time, there was a lot of public distrust to the government. And there was a lot of people speculating about JFK assassination. And then five years later, you had the moon landing, which was almost like a, if you remember the day or week or months after the 9-11 tragedy, right? And where there was a lot of weird stuff that kind of happened before that. But then it was like for once there was people that were together on something. They were Americans.

They were patriots. And they're like, you know what? We're going to come together now. And we're going to go to Afghanistan or we're going to F up all these people that did this to us. And we're going to go to Iraq, even though there's not weapons of mass destruction. They're telling us it is come to find out there wasn't. But it's like, you know, five years later, now we have a moon landing. We have patriotism back.

We believe in our country again. and you know this is all something that is just rolling to where it's like let's forget about jfk being assassinated and everything that happened there and i'm not saying that's why the moonlighting happened but it is kind of convenient right i mean five years later and then you know keeping in mind jfk was the one who set the moonshot goal in his famous 1961 speech which he said before this decade decade is out um of landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to earth that is what he said in 1961 speech. And it's almost like an homage to JFK five years later that we finally landed on the moon,

although so many people I had questions, even with the JFK assassination. Have you thought about that? Well, yeah, as I'm listening to you, Chad, it's like a child molester giving a child their favorite candy, and now you have the child defending the child molester. Yeah. And that's what you have. You have the Stockholm syndrome of the American public. because they were given the sweet candy that they wanted. America won. America put people on the moon,

not Russia, how great we are, how great sciences, how great aerospace is. They've made a god out of it. They are defending their own criminals, which is pretty sad. But what can you do? This is what we're up against, and it's going to take historic leadership in Washington to admit the truth regardless of the cost. Well, let me ask you this. I don't want to get off topic too much, but how do you feel like the position of our government now versus the moon landing days, the JFK assassination days? Do you feel like we have moved forward or backwards as far as public trust to the government? And like, what is your thoughts on that? I mean, you know, especially with Elon and Doge and USAID.

But then you also have, you know, a lot of people vote over Trump. Yeah. And is the CIA still lying to us? Is FBI still lying to us today? All the intelligence agencies consistently. But now it's like Trump keeps calling the Epstein files a hoax and all this. Like, have we moved forward or are we moving back as far as trust with Americans? Well, I think over time, things are just getting more and more corrupt.

The food supply is becoming more and more poisoned. The air is becoming more and more poisoned. And the federal government is becoming more. and more corrupt. If they wanted to end corruption, they would show the American public that they were deceived about the moon landing six times, but they have yet to do that. One of the things in my book, I think it's the second to the last chapter, or maybe it's the last chapter, what to do about this mess, where I propose that presidents are not allowed to appoint the department heads of the EPA, FDA, CDC, that those people are elected from within.

So you have corrupt presidents coming in and appointing corrupt leaders over every single department. You have the rank and file of the FBI, hardworking, patriotic, honorable U.S. citizens. But they are told if you pursue this corruption case against a senator or president, you'll be fired. And then they won't be able to pay their mortgage, right? Or maybe they'll plant drugs on them. So everything is under control of this. corrupt system, and the best way to get rid of it would simply to be telling the truth about the moon landing fraud. Get people's intention. Show them how much they were treated as suckers

and how they are so disrespected by the people in Washington. The moon landing fraud may have killed the fewest number of people compared to the JFK witness list or 9-11, but it's the one that is burned into people's hearts so that if they are told the truth, It will outrage them the most to go about change. But we don't have it that way. Back when I think Reagan was president, you can only own one TV station and one radio station and one newspaper. All that was thrown out with the Clinton administration. Now you can own as many as you want.

A recent survey a few years ago surveyed 1,500 news outlets on a topic of whether or not the CIA should assassinate Chavez. South America, and 100% of 1,500 news agencies said that was a great idea. One of the clips at subral.com is a clip of news story. And if you look at the bottom right-hand corner, it shows NBC, CBS, ABC, and Fox telling a news story the same word for word. So why did this little thing go on for the last three years because every newspaper, every TV station got people fearful, even though a former executive of a certain pharmaceutical company says they are manufacturing the reason to take this medicine for an illness you don't even have. Every newspaper said men were on the moon, right?

Every newspaper said airplanes brought down the skyscrapers on 9-11. Every newspaper said Oswald killed Kennedy, right? and so this is this has just gotten worse instead of better yeah and and by the way in chapter four you had talked about how you felt like the media played a huge role in shaping the public belief on the moon landing and how do you compare you know what we see in mainstream media mock and bird media today i mean how much do you think media really did play a role in this i mean even i think you had mentioned in a book like one small step was kind of their tagline right it's kind of like during COVID safe and effective, right?

Safe and effective. Safe and effective. Safe and effective. One small step. One small step. One small step. It's all you consistently heard. It was patriotic.

It was great. But mainstream media, did they play a huge role in this as well? And do you think they, I mean, not necessarily new, but like they were instrumental in this whole selling the American public and the world to what we did, you know, as far as our advancements in space and rocket technology and all this? Well, there was no critical thinking. They did fake the moon landing, so why was there at least one reporter at the time questioning the authenticity of it?

I showed the footage we uncovered of them faking, being halfway to the moon, to a reporter at the Washington Post, he agreed. It proved that the moon missions were fake, but he said if he did a story about it, he would be fired. I had two NBC news directors. They were going to broadcast a story nationwide that the moon mission. were fake, show the footage. They flew me to New York, put me up in the Waldorf Astoria, paid me thousands of dollars for the exclusive license to break the story, and they backed down

by a threat of the federal government. So there is no independent coverage. People are just regurgitating what they're told. There's no critical thinking, and that's pretty sad. One of the solutions that I come up with is that news should not be allowed constitutionally to be owned by corporations, it should be a non-profit public entity where reporters are chosen by lottery and are rotated, and any magazine, radio, TV station has to provide maybe 10% of their content for this independent news. And the Monroe Doctrine used to be in existence that said if someone thought, you know, fluoride was good for you, they would have to present the opposing view that fluoride was bad for you. And they,

They threw that in the garbage. That is no longer law. They need to be reinstated there. I have a solution for Congress in the Senate. The first democracy, 2,000 years ago, chose their elected officials by lottery. If we can choose a jury by lottery that decides life and death, I think we can have people chosen by lottery as to decide whether or not to put contains GMOs on a bottle of ketchup. So if you have Congress in the Senate chosen at random, you get an average cross-section of people. They have one five-year term.

They nominate among themselves, five candidates for president. Those are publicly debated and voted on until we have a president who wasn't actually, you know, appointed by any political party. They were chosen at first by a lottery of about 435 people, and that would be a way to represent. you would have one term limits on everything. You can be governor wants, mayor, once, sheriff wants, president wants, and that's it. Yeah.

So there needs to be an overhaul of the rules of government. And because the way that we have it now, it's not working because they killed their own president. They did 9-11. They fake the moon landing. They fake this thing for the last three years. And it looks like it's getting worse instead of better. Yeah. I want to ask a question, too.

and I want to get through a couple of things. Number one, the communications. Yeah, that's what I was getting ready to ask. Because a lot of people probably have not read your book and they should go read it. But in your book, you talk about when they're halfway to the moon. Can you explain that a little bit more what you're talking about with the four-second delay? Well, you could pull that up. That'd be a great audio clip to play if you want to be searching it while I'm describing it.

Basically, the segment that I uncovered that proves the moon landings are fake, I popped in a tape, it said, do not show to the public. And it's an unedited reel of a special effect shot. What people are seeing is a mostly black TV screen with a little blue tennis ball-sized Earth in the middle of it. They allegedly have the lens at the glass of the spacecraft window and are filming this tiny Earth far away to prove that they have left Earth orbit and are on their way to the Moon looking back at the Earth. The lights come up, the camera's really at the back of the spacecraft, and in the foreground is a

circular window, outside of which it's filled with the Earth and low Earth orbit. But with the lights out, it appears to be the Earth floating in space. At the beginning of the tape, you hear NASA say, hey, Goldstone says the TV picture looks great. there's exactly four seconds of dead air. One, two, three, four. And then you hear a third party that's not NASA, not the astronauts. It says talk. And then Neil Armstrong speaks.

The fact is they never left Earth orbit, which is only 250 miles above the Earth. So they could have instantaneous conversations back and forth. If they were really 130,000 miles out and going through all this analog equipment, there would be a delay. They estimated four seconds. So two seconds out, two seconds back from halfway to the moon. And so Neil Armstrong was being prompted to speak only after a four second delay. So we have them faking a radio delay, right, in order to pretend that they're halfway to the moon. The lights come up and they're actually using a one-foot model of the earth. And this is the footage. It's at the homepage of Abrell.com. It's in the film. A funny thing happened on the way to the moon. And if you're in a

room or a theater with people watching this part of the movie, they just gasp. Oh, my gosh. Because you see them faking being halfway to the moon with the fake Earth. The lights come up, and it's not really the Earth floating in space. It's really the circular window of the spacecraft to what they've made up to look like the Earth floating in space. We catch them line. We catch them faking being halfway to the moon, which they would never have to do if they really could go halfway to the moon. So that's what convinced me. I was producing the film under the theory it might be true, but three and a half years into the seven year project, I found that footage. And I'm like, oh my gosh, they actually did fake the moon landing. How sad is that? So we have one of

the greatest events in human history is the juvenality of the federal government. and the arrogance and the corruption that they fake the moon landing, and it's still not known. It's like the public has cancer and they're not being told about it. We have to tell the truth about it in order to be saved. So do you know how far in orbit we actually can go today? Well, the highest space shuttle has gone with people on board is just shy of 400 miles, which is about 600 miles before the field of radiation begins, which is 30,000 miles thick. So from a distance of 600 miles, which is the highest altitude, I'm sorry, from 400 miles, which is 600 miles away,

the astronauts could close their eyes and see the radiation and the radiation belts as sparks of firecrackers hitting the retinas of their closed eyes. So imagine there's a meltdown of a nuclear reactor 600 miles away, you turn that direction, close your eyes, and you can see the radiation. I mean, that's pretty severe. They originally said it was approximately 100 times a lethal dose. So not only do they need to make multiple fuel trips, they're going to have to bring up a bunch of lead shielding in order to go through the radiation belt. Yeah, I agree. And I also want to say, too, you know, you also had talked about the absence of stars.

is that a thing in space? Like would you still be able to see stars, you know, based on the videos and everything we see in the famous video from the moon or, you know, and also you would say earlier to where when they were actually landing on the moon, that was a, you know, a simulation or some type of, you know, video that was not actual. It was a set. Yeah, yeah. I mean, but what I'm saying is it was a animation. But would there be stars on the moon? Could you still see those just like you would see him on Earth? Sure.

When Neil Armstrong was asked about it, though, he says, I don't remember. And then Michael Collins jumps in and says, remember, you didn't see any. But he wasn't there. Only Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong were on the surface of the moon. He was allegedly orbiting the command module in lunar orbit, which of course they never did either. So in the written transcript, it says that Buzz Aldrin reminded him you didn't see any when, in fact, it was Michael Collins. So lightning strikes twice in the same place. The fact is you would see the stars.

There are pictures of the space shuttle launch at sunrise where you see the sunrise, the space shuttle, and stars in the background. And that's with a thick atmosphere on Earth. They couldn't fake the astrological position of the constellations, especially with the movement of the earth rotating and the movement of the moon around the earth. They couldn't fake it. So they said, let's just not talk about it. What they could have done is taking a picture of the stars by themselves. They say, well, they don't show up in the photographs because the aperture or iris was closed because of the bright sunlight. I can see that. But why not just open the iris and tilt it up and take a picture of the stars? She would have been clear than any telescope.

up on Earth, which they never did. They never took a telescope to the moon, but they took a car. Would you even drive far away from your only life support to where if it broke down, you'd have to walk back and use up all your oxygen? I don't even think you would do that. Do you realize the wall of the lunar module, the thinnest part was one eighth of an inch of aluminum foil that you could put your toe through, your elbow through, your nose through, your ink pin through?

would you even get in a spacecraft that had one eighth-an-inch of one or two layers of aluminum foil as its wall? Would you even do that as an intelligent person? I don't think so. Well, Bart, I got to ask you this, too, because we have our next guest on the show tomorrow, which will be released, I think Friday or Saturday. I don't know. But is Ashton Forbes. Have you saw any of this stuff about MH-370, the videos?

Have you saw any of that? I don't know what that is. Okay. So MH370 is the Malaysian Airlines flight that disappeared. Do you remember that where that it was like. Oh, yeah, we're basically no debris at all was found from it. Is that correct? Yeah.

No debris. And then Ashton Forbes, which he, it was our podcast. He was the first, well, he, our podcast was the first podcast he went on. And then he has been driving this kind of subject and narrative through. about like if you look at some of these videos that came out over the past I don't know two or three years I guess they actually originally came out in 2014 right around the same time Malaysian Airlines flight disappeared supposedly this was a whistleblower that releases videos that show these orbs that are circling the plane then the plane gets disappeared have you saw any of these videos

online anywhere I mean I think they're fake I think the government uh hijacked the plane and the UFO is a red herring for people to chase after. I think the government, the plane landed. You can basically trace it. It goes a certain direction. Then it makes a turn. And then right after it flies over a military base on the coast, it makes another turn. So it actually landed at that military base, I believe, and a dummy aircraft took off in its place with its transponder. while the other one landed. And they did something with the people, kidnapped the people. And they're going to love any misdirection that can happen.

How many congressional hearings are there about the JFK assassination? Zero. How many congressional hearings are there about 9-11, even though 3,000 engineers say it's impossible for a penal airplane to cause them to be demolished? Zero. How many congressional investigations are there about the moon landing fraud, despite me bringing it to the White House's Senate Intelligence Committee attention and FBI's attention? Zero. So why are there congressional hearings about UFOs? Because they want us to believe them. I just came out with a book at subbrel.com called Aliens from Planet X. It has 29, I believe, interactive video links.

And it talks about the fact that UFOs are indeed real, but they're not from matter, space. They're from Earth. And Von Braun, who faked the moon landing, said before he died, the government is going to fake an alien invasion. So they leak out these tantalizing bones to give to salivating UFO researchers to go after. This guy they've been trotting around the TV stations recently, when pressed on the issue, did you personally see an alien? Did you personally see an alien spacecraft? He said no.

But people in the government told me they were real. Well, and Barr, and Barr, I think, I think, too, what I'm asking you, and I think you're not actually far off from Ashton's investigation in his work is, you know, Ashton believes, and we've had many episodes on UFOs, you know, the possibility of reverse engineering, all this. but Ashton has and if you've not followed or looked at any of Ashton Forbes stuff, you should. I mean, he's a genius dude. He is researched and done everything, zero point energy and all this. He believes that these videos are real, right? And the videos where it shows these orbs kind of circling the plane. I know there was like some YouTube video that said, oh, this is fake, that this is probably, you know, some type of special effects or CGI or whatever.

although no one yet has been able to replicate it. There was even a, we even put up $25,000. It was a $150,000 bounty for anybody that can either replicate or bring forward the original videos of this video that Ashton has been pushing a lot. And Ashton believes that this is U.S. government technology that we have that is hidden. And we're talking about these orbs that may have zapped this plane out of thin air. I know it sounds crazy, but just hear me out. So we had put up a bounty because we're like, you know what, 25 grand.

We'll put in 25 grand. If someone can bring up the videos or show the videos, there's a $150,000 bounty, I think it maybe got to almost $175,000. And Ashton's been on every podcast imaginable. He's, you know, he's big on this zero point energy advanced technology. He believes that the government in the large part, a lot of the stuff that we're seeing it, whether it be UFOs, TikTok videos, you name it, is reverse engineering technology. It is advanced technology.

They're hiding from us. and he believes that the MH370 videos like what you see on the Fleer and some of the other cameras, if you look it up, where these orbs are kind of circling and playing and this thing zaps out of the sky. It kind of goes along with what you're saying as far as the project blue beam or kind of, you know, setting up a thing to where it's like an alien invasion. But I guess my question to this is, is that regardless of whether you believe those videos or not,

since we are going to have Ashton on tomorrow, and we'll probably talk about this interview, with Ashton, if do you think it's possible, I guess, that the United States government has technology like this, right? And if we think about Project Bluebeam and we think about like, do you believe

more on the alien side of stuff? Are aliens? I think he's saying more aliens from Earth, not from outer space. Yeah, but or could it be just advanced government technology that is not revealed yet? And if that's the case, if safer

example that the videos the Ashton has presented that are out there everywhere on the internet, if you just look up MH370X or you go to Ashton Forbes X account, I mean, he's got a huge account over there. If you look at any of his videos, look at the videos and just say, for example, for one second, let's just pretend that we know for sure that those videos are real. And then let's just say that those videos are advanced technology. How would you explain that, I guess, with. what we're talking about today.

Like as far as the moon landing 1960s, we don't have that technology, but yet somehow we have these orbs that can zap planes out of the sky potentially or maybe replicate themselves in ways that we feel like they are UFOs to where they move at breakneck speeds beyond, you know, physical or G-force capabilities of the aircraft that we actually have today. How could we possibly have that, but we can't get back to the moon? Do you understand what I'm trying to ask? I'm trying to ask the question. Basically, you've answered the question by bringing up project blue beam.

Blue beam, as far as I understand, is a holographic projection. I can project a laser or an image of a UFO in the sky and have it make a 90-degree turn, have it stop on a dime after going 1,000 miles per hour. You see, because it's just an image being projected. That's how they can defy, you know, all these laws of physics because it's simply light. being projected. Again, the government is going to tell you the opposite of the truth. They want you to believe in UFOs. That's why they're having UFO disclosure. What about moon landing fraud disclosure? What about 9-11 disclosure? What about JFK disclosure? They don't do that. You see,

so why are they doing it here? Because they want you to believe it. Keep in mind, Von Braun, who faked the moon landing, said they're going to fake an alien invasion. My new book, which is a audio, kindle, or print, aliens from Planet X, my opinion is the same as the experts. My opinion as to who killed JFK is the opinion of the experts. And the experts say it was the CIA. My opinion about this thing for the last three years is the opinion of the experts. When someone is a vice president of virology at a certain pharmaceutical company for 10 years, who says the reason to take it is being fabricated and it's not good for you, that's my opinion.

So we have Jacques Valet and Alan Heinek, the top UFO researchers who, after 40 years of research independently, came to the same conclusion. Number one, UFOs are real. Number two, they're not from outer space. They're demonic. Okay. So you're in the spiritual realm. What does demonic mean? You go back to the Bible and it says that the flood was created to get rid of fallen angels.

hybrid breeding with people. Nephlin. And yet it says the Nephilim survived somehow the flood anyway. So how do they survive? Maybe in fallen angel technology, craft that can go into the ocean and up in the air and whatever. So maybe it is technology that's more advanced, but it would be from fallen angels, according to the book, but you don't think this is us, though?

You don't think that you're not. I think that fallen angels, they're liars, right? Apollo is Apollyon in the book of Revelation, which means Lucifer. It means liar. They're saying right on the side of the rocket, this is a lie, right? And so they're going to lie to people in the government and claim to be aliens from some, you know, planet 300 light years away that they can't prove or disprove, right? They're not going to say they're fallen angels. they're going to lie.

So you think this is spiritual, though. And so they're mass-rescruating as extraterrestrials. And that is, you know, the same conclusion that the top UFO researchers said that UFOs are real. They're not from outer space. They're from Earth. And they're demonic. Because during alien abductions, people invoke the name of Jesus and the aliens run away.

Why would an alien run away from the name of Chad, Sherry, Bart, Buddha, Muhammad, or Jesus? Why would they care? Right? And then you go into further, if you go look at Leviticus, it says not to crossbreed species. But when you do it anyway, when you take a horse and a donkey to get a mule, the mule is sterile. It's defective. Every time you want a mule, you got to go back to a horse and a donkey, which means the nephalim are sterile. That's why during UFO abductions, they harvest sperm and eggs. They have to reproduce by doing it over and a donkey. And then. over again. That's why all of the presidents except one are of the same bloodline. It says in Genesis 315, God will cause a war between the future offspring of Lucifer and the future offspring of Adam. There are two bloodlines. The Luciferian bloodline, that's why it's 666 in the World Economic Forum logo, 666 in the CERN logo, 666 in the Google logo. These people literally worship Lucifer. and it doesn't matter whether you vote for red or blue, they're both of the same corrupt bloodline.

You see? And that's what this book talks about. I just published it at subrel.com. It's an audio kindle of print. And then I also talk about a potential rogue planet coming near the Earth in the near future, which will be the excuse misdirection for aliens appearing. They'll claim, hey, they use the planet as their spaceship. It's by the Earth now, and that's why they're appearing.

and in fact they've been here all along. Bart. Yeah, you just, you just blew my mind. No, listen, you get a nail in the head right there.

No, you did. Absolutely. Because I'm telling you, Bart, I know you don't listen to our podcast, but if you did listen to our podcast over the past like six months, you would understand that everything you just said is insane.

Like our listeners are going to be like, holy shit. Did he literally just say all that? And so, and the reason I wanted to touch on that is because we do have Ashton coming on. And Ashton, like I said, Bart, like you, I believe you are a brilliant mind as well, for sure. And I think that like your research

and everything you've done and everything that you have pushed forward is instrumental to our future. You know, if it isn't for people like you, then who's going to do it, right? And I also feel the same way about Ashton because Ashton is on the sense of like, hey, this is government technology that I believe is being, being put into the UFO realm. So Ashton believes a lot of what we're seeing is just they want to push the UFO narrative because they're trying to hide our technology. But most of the time, like when we talk about this type of stuff, I do believe your side more than a lot of sides.

Like this is the stuff that we've talked about over and over again. The Watchers, the Nephlin, the Book of Enoch, you know, what are we seeing in our skies today? Are they from another plane or are they from Earth? Are they the demon-bound spirits that are on earth? And I'm going to go ahead and tell you that Chad and I have seen these things firsthand. Yeah, we've talked about that quite a bit. Oh, so you've actually visited Congress?

No, yeah, exactly, yeah. Well, we've had people, we've had people in this podcast. I mean, we've had people in the podcast to where they, you know, they're very high up as far as government or they, you know, they're involved in government in certain ways or whatever. Yeah, our ex-CIA. Yeah, we've had CIA officers. on. We've had, you know, doctors on that have been canceled because of COVID, even though it's not necessarily the same realm. But we've also had people that have come to us and said, hey, here's,

here's my thoughts. Although I'm not coming on your podcast because, you know, I can't, I can't come on your podcast because, you know, maybe you're talking about conspiracy. But I just want to tell you this. So we've had all of that. But what you just said, and I think that everybody listening right now, the way you just said it is. Yeah, it's going to be mind blowing. But also, But also the way Bart just said it is why that everybody should read his book. Because as I read Bart's book, Moon Man, and I actually asked Bart before the show, I said, Bart, did you have a ghost writer write your book or whatever? Because it was really good.

And it wasn't just really good as in the term of like, and I told Bart also, I was like, I just literally started reading books like last year. I've never really wanted to read books because a lot of times it was like, it's boring. It's BS. I started reading Bart's book because Bart was like. like hey, you know, when we do a podcast, reading my book, I was like, shit. I don't, I don't like reading books. But Bart, send me the book.

Started reading it. And I was like, damn, this book is easy to read. And it like hooks you. It like hooks you like a movie would. And especially if you're not a reader. And I do encourage everybody to go and check out Bart's book. And I definitely want to read your new book. Oh, I do too now for sure.

But I, but part is, it's interesting. And so what you're saying, though, is like, but do you believe? believe in UFOs or... Well, he just said they're demonic. No, but I'm saying... But do you believe that there is other intelligence in this world besides demonic intelligence? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that was my question, essentially.

Well, according to the Bible, believe it or not, it says that we are the only life in the universe. And the government wants us to believe the opposite. That life is everywhere. That way we'll believe in UFO. and extraterristerials from other planets. The odds of there being any life, such as on Earth, would be like winning the Powerball lottery 20 times in a row from a mathematical point of view of DNA,

not just the position of the Earth from the sun and the place in the galaxy and so forth. The book of Revelation says that when the new heaven and new earth is made, God will personally dwell with us. It says at least four times in the scriptures is that God does not show partiality. So if there's life in other worlds and he's dwelling with us instead of them, then he's showing partiality. The only way that God can dwell with us and not show partiality is if we're it.

The exact opposite of what the government wants you to believe. There was a recent project about 20 years ago by now called the Eve Project, where they took DNA samples from multiple nationalities. every nationality under the sun, Swedes and Africans and Europeans and Americans, and with the new DNA technology, they traced it backwards in time and concluded that everyone who ever lived is alive or will ever live came from one woman in Africa, no one before, no evolution. She suddenly appeared, just like the Bible says. So now the atheists who run the world are scrambling. Well, how can we stop people from believing? and God. So they came up with this theory that apparently was a TV show for many years that we were made by aliens from outer space. But they never asked the rudimentary question in three years. If we were made by aliens, then who made the aliens? You see? And according to Isaiah 14, Lucifer wants to kick God off of his throne and claim God's majesty. So if aliens are really full, fallen angels, and their leader is Lucifer.

What ancient aliens is really saying is mankind was made by Lucifer instead of God. And Apollo is the name of Lucifer, the great deceiver. And the most powerful telescope in the world is the Lucifer telescope, which is tracking, in my opinion, planet Lucifer, planet X, which may pull Earth out of its orbit, as it did in 705 BC, because prior to that, the Earth had a 360-day year, according to multiple calendars. But after that, it was changed. So the Earth was pulled slightly further away from the sun. Now, if right now there were 12 months and each one had exactly 30 days, how could you deny intelligent design? You couldn't. But planet Lucifer,

destroyed the testimony of divine creation. You see that? And all of this is symbolic going on, and the more they dig into science, the more they prove that the scriptures are true, a flood did happen. People suddenly appeared out of nowhere. Either we were made by aliens or we were made by God.

And Lucifer is trying to take over and claim that he made mankind instead of God. And so that's what the new book, book aliens from Planet X is about. Wow. That's interesting. I got to read that book. Yeah, I got to have the book. Is it on audio yet? Yeah, it's on audio, kindler, print at subrel.com. It has interactive video links as well to prove all these points that I've made. Well, Bart, so are you, do you believe in Jesus,

like Jesus Christ? Or what is your religion or, I guess, spirituality? Well, I wish I were spiritual. But I believe in God. I believe that the Bible is true. It's just history, really, if you read it, you know, that's the thing. I mistakenly put the Bible and religion in the same box. That was a mistake. Hypocritical religion and the Bible are two completely different things. When you read the Bible, it's very simple.

Everything in the Bible has been proven true through archaeology. And then you have the Messiah showing up, Jesus of Nazareth. and according to 11 of his 12 apostles, he was the Messiah, they had the opportunity to recant. They were given the choice of execution or life if they denounce Jesus. But they saw him raised from the dead. They saw him give sight to the blind. They saw him walking back to the lame. So they refused to recant.

You see that? You wouldn't do that for a lie, but you would do that for what is true. Someone described Jesus to me as the painter who painted himself into the picture. It says in the Gospel of John, which is beautifully poetic book, God came to his own, but his own rejected him. Jesus obviously prayed to God. He didn't pray to himself, so in that way, he's separate from God. But if a king goes on a journey, he gives the signet ring to his son. Is his son the king? No, but he has the legal authority of the king. And that's what Jesus is.

Jesus is God's legal representative. I know in my struggles in life, I sometimes cry out, God, you don't know what it's like. And then I catch myself, oh, I guess you do. You see, you were here. And when you listen to the sad poetry, he came to that. that which was his own, but his own rejected him. That's life. Mankind's greatest accomplishment is a lie by the most powerful nation on earth.

That is a complete hypocrite. Wow. And they want us to believe lies continually. And it just makes sense. Just read the New Testament, Gospel of John, to the end. And it just all makes sense. It says, don't get drunk. It says, don't commit adultery.

It says, don't steal. Makes sense, right? Love your neighbor as yourself. right and love God and you know there's that TV show what is it Futurama right my favorite character is the kleptomaniac robot who calls his co-workers meatbags I'm gonna live forever I feel sorry for you and then the professor says you know you were one of the first models you don't have a removable memory cartridge so if you die you die yeah and then he says something

very profound anything less than immortality is it complete waste of time. And that is so true. The most powerful scripture to me is what good is it to gain the world and forfeit your soul. Do you realize to get to where we are, to have this conversation, our father ejected 150 million sperm, but only one made it? What will be the sifting into the next life? People who live unselfishly, right? And People either live for themselves or they die to themselves. And if you die to yourself, you will live forever. So I'm trying to be a Christian.

I'm a work in progress. I go to the principal's office every so often as usual. But I'm working on it, you know? Yeah. And the God is full of grace. You know, there's a beautiful scripture in Ezekiel. It says if a man is unrighteous, his entire life, but in the very end, turns to God, all of his sins will be forgiven. All we have to do is confess and repent. You have to repent

in order to be saved. It's a paradox. We are saved by grace. It's like a safety deposit box with two keys. The first key is from God. God so loved the world. He died, gave his only begotten son. The key is turned. But there's another key. People don't read past John 316 to 17 through 19. But this is the verdict. Light has come into the world. But men love darkness instead of light and will not come into the light for fear their deeds will be exposed. People will not repent. Now, if we repent, we still can't open that box without God's grace. But if God turned the grace key for everybody, But most people will not turn the repentance key. They won't let go of their sin.

That's why Jesus said, wide is the gate, broad as the road to destruction, and most go that way. But narrow is the way to life. And only a few find it. So even though Christ died for everyone, turn that key, most people will not let go of their sin. It's different for everybody. I had to give it being a playboy. Other people have to give it being drunk. other people have to give up smoking or lying or cheating, whatever it is.

And we have to be faithful to the end. There is no get out of jail free card. Hebrews warns us if we deliberately sin after knowing the truth, no grace is left. So that's what I believe. It says it right there in the instruction manual. So are you faithful to that? Eternal life, it'll be worth it. Are you faithful to God?

Are you faithful to Jesus? Are you faithful to both? Well, I try to be. And that's between, you know, God and Judgment Day. I was just, I'd do a podcast myself. It's at subrel.com. One is called box escape, kind of alternative media. And another is called End Times Church. I just did a message this week about forgiveness. Jesus was asked, how many times shall I forgive my brother if he sins against me in a single day, up to seven times? And Jesus says, no, 77 or unlimited times, as long as he truly says, I repent. So repenting is a continual thing like taking a shower or cutting your hair or brushing your teeth. It's a continual thing. I can improve my courtesy while I'm driving. I can improve my lack of selfishness and my marriage.

I can improve my weight to be a better example, right? And I need all those things. I think God brought you to us to know. night. I was literally in traffic today. I literally just wanted to just like, I, if, have you ever saw the movie where they have, I don't know. It was a Mad Max to where they have the things that is just just, just, like, dump people

off the road. Yeah, I, I, in traffic and just little things, little things, Bart, um, aggravate me. And, and, and the weird thing is, like, I, I have a hard soul. And, um, see, and I don't. I have a very great soul. but we both have this religious struggle. And I am not one to believe in manmade religion, but I do believe in God. But I loved what you just offered tonight.

Like I really needed that for my soul. Yeah, it's absolutely crazy. And I think that's why, you know, the weird thing is you and your journey with the moon landing, I think is, I think God's leading you in places like our podcast. Yeah. But can I ask him one question? Real quick, Chad. Yeah, but we have struggled with this for a very long time.

And our audience has struggled with us through this. And so although we bring Bard on for the moon landing, I think people are going to, people are going to take a lot from this. I'm just like amazed. But real quick, this is a question that I told you, I wanted to ask you, you know, with the whole moon landing thing. And we can get back on the religion in a minute. But I just want to know your thoughts about this. You know, you say that we can only go so far into probably. Earth's atmosphere in our orbit.

And, you know, I don't, I'm not sure where our orbit meets space, but do you think Katie Perry went to space? Or do you think, who is Katie Perry? She's the one that went on the Amazon rocket. Yeah, there was like four women. Yeah, the blue origin. Four women went up into, I guess, Jeff Fasio. Was that his name?

No, no, Jeff Bezos. Oh, Jason. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, Jeff Bezos. And then he had Katie Perry. you had um Oprah winfrey's right hand girl i can't remember what her name is hoda hodas whatever so it was like six months ago and that they all went to space and everybody's like oh katy perry's the astronaut you know and katy perry has also been notorious for you know doing these videos

as of late of it's almost like demonic type music videos signed our soul to the devil yeah and and i do believe that like when you say that you sign your soul to devil or you are you sell your soul for success for money, I think that does happen. You look at Lil Nas X. Lil Nas X came out with Old Town Road. Old Town Road was a hit song. Everybody, Sherry was a teacher for 25 years.

You know, you can ask Sherry, kids would come to school and they'd be like, yeah, Old Town Road is my favorite song. And then, you know, a year later, Lil Nas X was doing lap dances by the devil. Yeah. So it's like, like, this is a process. everything that we ingest on a daily basis,

there's a constant battle, a constant struggle. And it is with Sherry and I as well, especially with this podcast part. You know, when we do reach the amount of people we do, it sucks sometimes to feel like that we do not have the answers for people.

And it really does because we don't. We don't have the answers for people. But I'm always, always breathe, I guess a sigh of relief. When people like you come on, We're talking about the moon landing. We're talking about all this stuff.

But then we get into this, you know, the concept of God and Jesus or whatever. And then you're so eloquently talking about your beliefs and your thoughts on this. And which is why I think you're a great writer. I think you, I think that's also why you've got into the realm of the moon landing being fake, which is, you know, if you go down to the brass and tax of this is like, why is the moon landing. faked, I think is because we are deceived on a daily basis. And we are deceived by people. We are deceived by our government and in all ways, shape, or form. And what is the deceiving factor of that?

Like, do they want to deceive us because they want power? Or do they want to deceive us because they want to take us further away from God? Right? And so I'm glad that you came on. I'm glad that you talked about your personal, I guess, journey. And I think a lot of people that are listening are going to. to take something from what you said tonight. And I'm very appreciative that you came on, man.

Well, glad to talk to you both. Yeah, for sure. So Bart, so what are you working on in the future? You have this new book on, like, what is your next thing going to be? Like, what is, what are you working on? What is you in your mind? It's like, hey, I got to get this out. I'm going to, I'm going to go just as hard on this next thing as I did with the moon landing.

Because, I mean, you were one of the guys that was punched by Buzz Aldrin. So, like, who are you going to be punched by next based on what you are working on? I'm hoping Mike Tyson that he and I can doke it out. No idea. One of my projects is a feature film, and I'm working on getting that produced. I wrote it originally for Ed Asner, who was a fan of a funny thing happened on the way to the moon. He called me up one day while I'm eating lunch at Red Robbins. my all you can eat steak fries one of my weaknesses yeah and said bard if you got a feature film

i want to be in it i said i could do this idea this idea he said do that one i wrote it in about a week and he died unfortunately for taking a dose of medicine for an illness he didn't even have no and then ron perlman wanted to produce it and starring it and now we have another person who that baton has been passed to, who's a pretty well-known actor who wants to star in it and produce it. It's a film kind of, I guess you would call it a fantasy. It's about a murderer who's dying of cancer trying to get forgiveness. He was released on a technicality, but he's guilty, and he's trying to go back and make things right, but he gets only rejection instead.

All the while, these kind of strange, phenomenal. are being reported in the news in the background that makes it look like maybe the world is coming to an end. So we have this guy seeking forgiveness, all the while the global clock is ticking literally on his life and mankind. And it's like a twilight zone, you could say. It's called Silence in Heaven, which is from a scripture and Revelation, I think, 8-11, that says when the seventh seal was open, there was silence in heaven. It says in the book of Revelation that the 24 elders are surrounding the throne of God and seeing nonstop 24-7-365, except when the seventh seal is open, they're dead silent.

And I'm thinking, well, why is that? It's because after the seventh seal is open, the judgment on mankind can no longer be stopped. And according to the scriptures, most people aren't going to make it. There is no hell, actually, according to the Bible. That was an invention by the Catholic Church to sell forgiveness permission, right? But there is eternal death. Jesus says those who believe in him will obey him. You see, so you have to repent, to be saved.

Repenting is proof of your belief. And he says there are two choices, right? eternal life or you will perish. If you're in hell being tortured, you also have eternal life, right? No, you perish. Just like being thrown, throwing a live chicken into a fire, it perishes. So only the saved live forever and everyone else is dead forever. And so silence in heaven is about this murderer, hard-hearted person. He's known for having a hard heart. He's dying of hard. heart cancer. As he goes back, asks forgiveness from his ex-wife, who's got a cross around her neck, but she says, I'll never forgive you burning hell, proving that there's a lot of false Christianity.

Because Jesus says, unless you forgive other people, your sins will not be forgiven. That's in Matthew 615. So, and like I said, there's a strange new stories happening. I don't want to give too much of it away. We're trying to raise about $5 million to get it produced. It would be my first feature film. And I felt divinely inspired as I wrote it. I was crying while I wrote it and laughing. And Ron Perlman said it was one of the best scripts he's ever read. And hopefully, we will get that made next year. So say a prayer about the film, silence in heaven. Yeah, we definitely will. We will. And listen, guys, for everybody out there, I know that you have been following us for a very long time. We are in a constant battle and struggle with our spirituality, but I am very grateful for

Bart to come on. Yes. I feel like, I feel like at the very least. Let's pray for all of us, right? I mean, because we all struggle. And I do specifically. I do for sure on a regular basis. And so as you pray for everybody else, pray for me, pray for Sherry, pray for Bart. Pray for people that we can get in on and on this podcast that can interpret and and relay things that we cannot. And I feel like Bard is kind of weird because we've been trying to get this to go for about a year. But I feel like God put us in this position. And you said some earlier.

Yeah, you said something earlier. It's like, you know, how many sperm fights for one thing to get to this point? And that's, that's an amazing analogy. Like, how did. Yeah, I mean, is God cruel? when he throws away 149,99, is God going to be cruel when he only lets a few people into eternal life? The Bible says sin will never rise again after the new heaven and new earth. He's not going to let wicked people live forever.

They will perish. And so we have to also see, to me, the most convincing scripture that proves that Jesus is not from earth is when he said, love your enemy. He says the pagans love those who love them and hate those who hate them, but love your enemy. Think of all the people who hate the opposing political person leader, whoever that is, hate them. Jesus said, love your enemy so that you can be sons of God, because if you only love people who love you and hate people who hate you, you're no different than a non-believer. So that's what we should be doing. doing, and that's the key. That's the key to Christianity is loving your enemy. And you could also

pray, or multiple people listening, could pray for the truth about the moon landing fraud to come out. Just imagine what that would be like. Imagine what it would be like right now to be interrupted. Our attention is brought to CNN, and you have an Apollo astronaut tearfully confessing that they fake the moon landing. You could hear a pin drop. People would say, oh, my gosh, is it that bad? Is it really that bad? Have we sunk that low?

But we need to know that. We need to know the cancer we have or the cancer will destroy us. I agree. And by the way, for all of you listening, I mean, you are each a soldier sharing this episode, getting out there talking to people, you know, sending out messages, doing whatever you can for the truth. you guys are all soldiers i think god did not call us to be silent but he called us to be uh voices and and i think every day even though we struggle with our spirituality in some degree um i feel like that god does not want us to be idly by i think he wants us to talk he wants us to speak out and and and like i said i'm glad that bart came on uh bart yes we talked about the moon landing for sure i

100% believe it is fake. I 100% believe that people should go and read your book and follow you because, because, you know, like I said, Bart, there's not a lot of people we've had on. But there is a silver lining underneath all of this. Oh, yes, God. I mean, God is a silver lining. The truth, Jesus, all of that stuff. But, but Bart, you, you are so good at kind of saying stuff the way that many people cannot.

And I think you did that in your book. I think that whatever you do in the future, people need to follow. And we're going to support you however we can. Bart, thank you so much for coming on the show tonight. Sure, no problem. And like I said, if people want to see the film, if anything happened on the way to the moon, just go to the homepage of suburel.com. Absolutely.

Well, guys, that is going to do it for us. We are going to play it out right now with a song for the good, because I feel like even this podcast, we're talking about the moon landing, that everything that happens in this world is for the good. I do. Not everything, but this particular episode, we talked about the moon landing, but God had a different message tonight. And Bart, thank you so much for that.

Until next time, guys, we love you. Peace out. Peace out, guys.