Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Tik Tok Fugitive Interview Chad Hower | Kidnapper or Failed CIA Recruitment | Conspiracy Podcasts

Episode Date: May 4, 2023

Chad Hower, popularly known as the Tik Tok fugitive, has been pursued by both the FBI and Interpol for over 15 years due to allegations of international parental kidnapping. This captivating story raises intriguing questions regarding the motivations behind his actions. Was it a genuine case of parental kidnapping, or could there be a connection to a failed CIA recruitment attempt involving this former Microsoft employee?

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Hello and welcome to Investigator's podcast I am her host chat alongside my beautiful wife Sherry Say hello Sherry Hey guys, hey gals, welcome to the podcast We're so grateful for you to be here We are, guys. It is May the 3rd, 2023. Welcome to the show We got a really good one, very interesting one too as well

the guy that we're interviewing on tonight's podcast is a fugitive. He is an FBI fugitive. He is a Interpol fugitive. He is trying, well, they have attempted to extradite him back to the United States three times in Feld. And, you know, I'll be honest, actually. When we first heard about the story from you guys, by the way, our listeners, you know, at first, as I started hearing the story and the fact he's wanted and Interpol and all this, I was like, I don't know if we want to do this necessarily. But then hearing the story, it's going to blow your mind because this guy is wanted for kidnapping charges back 17, 15 years ago. But I think there's something bigger behind it.

And the reason why we kind of wanted to cover it on this podcast is because I think there's a lot more to the story, conspiratorial, right? And it could possibly, potentially, even involve some type of recruitment, government agency, so on and so forth. This guy had a big position in Microsoft. And it's nuts. So, yeah, it's going to be a great interview. I promise you it's worth listening to. It's about an hour. We're probably going to have a follow-up interview because there's a lot we did not get to get to in this episode.

But I think you guys will enjoy it. But you have to get the jest of everything that was happening in the beginning to understand what's happening now. Yeah, and you guys can probably try to draw your own conclusions, right? You listeners are going to be about in the same position we are. We're hearing the story very fresh. right and trying to figure out what it is exactly of why this would have happened and why it's still going on he's still wanted right now by the fbi and interpol this has been a long time coming he has very intense medical conditions that need desperate need of attention um and he is living in an island

uh in st kitts in the caribbean right and he cannot travel to get medical treatment no that can save his life no and he's still facing kidnapping charges and his son is now like 27 years old. Yeah. Yeah. So we're not going to get like into all the story, but yeah, listen to the story, guys. He's a really cool guy, well-spoken. He's also pretty big on TikTok. He has over 100 and something thousand followers over on TikTok. And so we'll get in all that on the, or during the interview. But guys, you will love this interview. But listen, before we get in this interview, I'm going to say again, we do have a substack. We want you guys to go over and subscribe. It is the place of free speech right now with along with,

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if for some reason we ever get censored or banned you can find us on our substack all you got to do is download the app on either Apple or Android and just download substack, look up investing at Earth and you'll find us. My mom found us, literally and I can't believe that actually

my mom is zero technical whatsoever. Literally Chad called me from work. He's like my mom liked our stuff from substack. Yeah, I was like how, I have no idea. How did she even find that? Yeah.

But we got a lot of cool stuff over there. And honestly, a lot of the stuff we're really going to try to push forward going forward as far as our big projects are going to be released and debuted on substack. So guys, go over there. We got a ton of content already. And we're going to be adding so much more. So we do just want to say this. So, guys, without further ado, we're not going to waste any time on the intro.

let's get right into this episode. I think you guys will enjoy it. I think that... And by the way, when you do go to our substack, go over there on comment on something. And I'm probably going to do a little write-up on this over the next couple of days about Chad and... Right.

And he'll introduce himself, but as Chad Hauer, you guys can look him up on TikTok as the TikTok fugitive. If you want to find who he is, he produces a ton of content over there, all the while being very sick and trying to get medical help medical attention that he needs.

So guys, go follow him over there. And without a burden of ado, here is the interview. All right, guys. So here we are with Chad. Chad, how's it going, man? Pretty painful today, but better than usual. I hear you. So as we kind of mentioned in the intro here, Chad, you do have some medical issues, right?

You've got some kidney issues, I guess primarily kidney. Yeah, kidney and some sort of inducing. neurological problem related to the kidney problems. Wow. Yeah, so that's been a big part of kind of your struggle and your battle with all this has been your medical issues, which we're going to get into that here in just a little bit. But Chad, first tell me a little bit about your background.

Tell me a little bit about your career, kind of where you were at leading up to what we're going to be talking about today as far as the quote-unquote kidnapping, the fact that you're wanted and so on. what were you doing before all this happened? I had a senior position at Microsoft with a territory of 85 countries, 10 time zones, multiple continents. It was my dream job, in fact. I was also Microsoft Regional Director and a 10-year Microsoft MVP. So I had a successful career, I think, to say the least.

Yeah. And so with that career, what was your job, if you can say, what was your primary thing to do? You traveled the world a lot, I knew in our conversation the other night. What did you do when you went to? traveled. Well, sometimes I did I did some software development for Microsoft. I did a lot of architecture and advisory capacity. I did a lot of public speaking. So I've spoken at TechNet and TechEd, sorry, TechEd and the big Microsoft conferences. I've spoken to audiences ranging up to 5,000 people. So I mostly did professional public speaking for Microsoft in various

countries. But I also did training. I did architecture consulting. I work with some big Microsoft customers helping them fix problems and sometimes even doing some code and so forth. But most of it was, in fact, the public speaking. But my background itself is more software development. So when I was even when I was speaking, I was speaking on specifically software development. Okay. So where in the world have you been with your company with Microsoft? Well, my territory is Microsoft Middle East and Africa.

So I've been all over Western Europe, bunch of Eastern Europe, parts of Africa. But most of my time from Microsoft was in the Middle East. I also went to Asia as well. I would go to Singapore and Thailand and places like that, Sri Lanka. But most of my time was actually in the Middle East. So most of my time was Saudi, Pakistan, Lebanon, Turkey, those areas. Okay. Because that's where the money was.

I mean, there's money in Africa too. But for Microsoft, the big Microsoft customers were, you know, Saudi Ramco and the big sorts of companies. And even governments. So a lot of times I would go and meet with governments on behalf of Microsoft to talk to them about the technical aspects. Basically, my background is. technical, but within Microsoft, I actually worked for the marketing department at that time. I had worked for other parts of Microsoft as well. But during that time, when I worked for Microsoft Middle East and Africa, I worked for the marketing department, but I was a technical person.

So you were... I was a sales support type thing. Yeah, so you were there to kind of market, you know, Microsoft's product and even to government, as you said. Now, as we know, obviously today with everything that's come out about the Twitter files and the collusion between government and tech. and all of that, did you see any of that before we get into what this is all about? But did you see any of the colluding between government and big tech then? I mean, was there any inclination of that when you were doing this or now?

Not specific to my job. I mean, it's something that I care about and I watch very closely. So I had seen, you know, the reports and articles and it was a topic that I followed. But within my job inside of Microsoft, no. Okay. All right. So you're this guy and you have a great job in Microsoft. I guess you're married, right?

You're married at this time? Yeah, I was remarried by then. I remarried in 2002. So basically, I got remarried very soon after the divorce process, because the divorce took over a year because I wasn't living in the United States. And I'd already met somebody, and we were just waiting to get married, but we couldn't until the divorce process. Okay.

All right. So maybe we need to back up to your first marriage. Tell us how you met your first wife. I met her, I guess, about 19 or so. I met her through like a friend circle. I had moved back to Erie. I left Erie and I moved back to Erie and I'd been hanging out with some friends that I had for before. And she was like a friend of a friend of a friend.

Okay. And so this is who you had your child with. Is it your firstborn? The first one. Yeah, the first one. That's Alex. That's the one we're discussing. So that's a night I call, I'll try and protect her privacy.

So I'm going to call her Vecna. Okay. All right. But I'm going to call her a fact, just to protect your privacy. That's fine. So you have this kid, you have Alex, with your first wife. And during this time, you know, how, you know, at what point did this kind of whole thing start as far as the, did it start with the relationship issues first that led into some type of custody battle or how would you describe it? What made it go south?

Well, let's see. Okay. So we got married when I was 20, 1994 in Kentucky. And we just got married too young. We never should have got married. It turns out we were just more friends than anything. But, you know, we got along. We didn't fight or anything.

And I traveled. I started traveling a lot. So I would be gone for usually like five or six days. And I'd be home for like eight or nine days. So like I would come home on a Saturday morning and stay home until a week Sunday. And then I'd fly out again for four or five days. And I did that for many years. And I work local in Tennessee for a while too.

And that's probably what kept the marriage together. actually was that that constant distance right yeah um but when he's then we had the child he was born in tennessee um 1996 Alex and um initially i didn't really see anything i mean she wasn't like i you know she has her family has a history of mental illness and i don't want to really want to slander but there there's a history there two of her two of her brothers are in prison and one of her sisters is in a mental type assisted facility so there is a history there um i didn't I didn't really, I mean, there were no red flags right away, but when, it's give you like one example.

When he was like four or something, he wanted to go to the food city fun fair and we'd think about free food and it was, we'd gone and he saw it, he saw it on TV. He's like, Dad, let's go. And I'm like, okay, we'll go. But then she decided she didn't want to go. And he was all mad because he's like, I want to go, I want to go. So I'm like, okay, I'll take you. And it was pretty much, you know, it was where we lived.

It was just up the road a few miles, right? It wasn't very far. And we were going and coming back the same evening, no big deal. And she's like, well, I'm not going. you can't take my son. And I'm like, what? I mean, because we were still married at the time. There were no conflicts or anything.

And I'm like, this is weird, right? Yeah. So I took him. And we came back a couple hours later and he loved it. Everything was great. And she was waiting for me at the door and she was just hot. And so I started to notice that she was getting really possessive with him, like to the point that I couldn't even like take him out of the house on my own.

Wow. So that kind of, you know, saw some signs there. And it just, you know, but I was raised. I mean, I went to Catholic school. I was raised up for. So I was kind of raised, you know, you're married East. stay married. Yeah.

And we hadn't played and I didn't really want to just rock the apple cart. And she, I mean, she raised them okay. Well, when we were together, she did. And so I just,

you know, but by 2000, you know, it was getting clear that I did not want to spend the rest of my life this way. Yeah. And I had a job opportunity. I kept getting,

I was already traveling overseas. I started traveling overseas in 1997. So I'd already been traveling back and forth to Europe on at least a few times a year at that point to speak of conferences and so forth. And I started. getting a lot of job offers overseas. And I wanted to move, but, you know, she didn't want to move overseas, which is cool. And I wasn't going to force her, so I never really forced the issue.

When it became apparent that it wasn't working anymore is like, okay, let's just separate. I'll give you the house. I'll give you one of the cars, which was functioning, no problems. And I'll pay all the money and I'll pay child support. I didn't even fight any because I was just like ready to do it. And I took a job overseas. Yeah. And I went overseas.

I gave her the house. The house payment was like $612 a month. and it was already paid down quite a bit as well and I just I set her up and I thought okay well we'll just you know let's end it and I'll come visit him and maybe I'll get him in the summers or I'll come back in the summers for a couple months and try and work it out so you're trying to work it out

she interfered right away I mean right away I'd fly to the United States and they wouldn't be home for her range pickup and that kind of stuff okay and then 2004 early 2004 she tells me you know I don't want to say in Tennessee she wants to move somewhere else she's like you know, I'm probably going to go to Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York.

And I'm like, okay, in principle, I'm good to that. But, you know, if it's something you decide, let's talk about it. It was never like, hey, go ahead and move, right? Yeah. It was just like she was thinking about it. She didn't have any plans. She didn't say when. And she was just kind of getting my opinion on it.

And I was like, yeah, I'm all cool that. Since I live overseas, it doesn't really matter to me if I come to Tennessee or California or wherever. I don't really care. Just let's arrange things. And then a couple months later, I called, and she would always interfere. It was very hard to get him on the phone. because they would always let it go to the answer machine.

And so one time she was out with the horses. And yeah, I bought a horse farm. I bought her horse shooting the horses and stuff. So I bought miniature horses. And so she was outside and she left him inside. And one time I called in 2004, so he would have been eight at this time. And he picked up the phone. He's like, hey, how are you doing?

I'm like, yeah, cool, everything good. And he's like, yeah, we're moving. I'm like, you are? Because now red flags are really going up. I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. why am I hearing about this now? First of all, I haven't been to reach you in a long time, and now I'm hearing you're moving.

And I said, where are you moving to? And he goes, we're moving to, and I hear the door open, and she comes in and slams down the phone. And all I get is we're moving to Cherry. So I don't know where Cherry is. I don't know this is another country or whatever. All I know is it's probably Ohio, Pennsylvania, or New York. But that's still a pretty big area, right?

Yeah. And so went to the Tennessee court and just, because you can't just move states like that. you have to go to the court. I think you have to give, I don't remember what it was the time. I think it's 30 or 60 days notice and you transfer the jurisdiction

and the custody agreements. You can't just disappear. So we got her served with an injunction on September 9th, September 9th, 2004. She was served with it in Tennessee at the house. She signed for it.

And the injunction told her, it says, listen, we're not telling you you can't move, but you can't move that coming before the court. And so they set a court day within 30 days. It wasn't like they, you know, set a court date like six months out or a year or whatever. And they just said, listen, you can move, but you got to come to court

in like 30 days or something like that, right? So she didn't show up to court. And she didn't tell me where she was either. So I got no idea where she's at. And then like a couple weeks later, my mom and one of my sisters gets a crazy ranting letter from her. And I get a letter to, they're all postmarked Pittsburgh. And they basically say, oh, yeah, we've moved and we're not going to tell you where. If you want to talk to us, send mail to my mom's house. Now, by the way, I got to cut you off for a second. What was the, what was the custody situation at the time during this? Oh, she had custody because I knew that the judge was never going to send him overseas. So I basically said, okay, she's got custody. Well, we had joint custody, but she had residential

custody. So she had to consult me on all major matters and keep me in touch and I guess up. But as far as the hesitation, I remember the exact thing, but it was like, I could give two weeks notice. And if it wasn't, if it didn't interfere with a school schedule, whatever, I would get him for like 72 hours at a time. And then there was a provision for the summers for a longer period. So I had some, I had some, I had summer visitation if I was in the U.S., I think. And then I could get a couple of visits throughout the year if I gave her like, I forget how much notice.

It was like several days or two weeks or something like that. But she didn't abide by. She had, I mean, she would agree to visitation. I would fly to the U.S. And then they wouldn't be home. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. And then she just disappeared completely.

Wow. So you basically lost touch of your son. for a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah, and I had no idea where he was at all. And so this happened, I guess they moved to, what, Pennsylvania?

Well, yeah, but I didn't know that at the time. So we had to, the short version is we had to perform a search and I started calling schools, started looking through maps because this was 2004. You could just pull up Google Maps back then. And so I'm searching through like scanned maps and by, maps from Rand McNally and stuff like that for Ohio and Pennsylvania, New York, looking for a place called Cherry. There's a lot of little places called Cherry, but no big places. And so I started calling around. I started calling school districts and just saying, you know, hey, I'm looking for my son.

They disappeared and I believe they might be in your school district. And after calling, gosh, I don't know, dozens of school districts, I finally got one and it's like, we can't tell you, but if you have custody orders, you can fax them over and we'll check for you. And it just sounded like they were trying to, I was supposed to be reading between the lines, right? Yeah. So I sent it over and sure enough, September 2004, he had been enrolled in a cherry tree township in Venango County, Pennsylvania. Wow. So I flew to the United States. I tried to visit him.

They wouldn't let me visit him because the school was hostile. I had to go get a court order to allow me to visit him at the school because, and then I found out later she told the school I was going to show up and kidnap him. So we had to have the police bring me to the school to force the school to allow me to see him. and then the judge Pennsylvania basically said, yeah, she kidnapped him and she has to go back to Tennessee. So I got custody,

full of custody in 2004. Wow. Because she actually... We moved back to Tennessee from overseas. My wife and I, we moved to Tennessee for about four months. And there was another court hearing mid-March, 2005.

And at the hearing, these are the transcripts I sent you. The judge is basically telling her, listen, you just appeared. He's mad at her. And he's like, but I'm not ready to send the child overseas yet. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to give the father summer visitation overseas.

So basically, it's March and June she has to send the child over and he gave her back custody for two months. Then she complained that she couldn't apply for a passport because I couldn't make her. So we had to get a court order ordering her to get a passport. Then she said she didn't have money for a passport and, you know, all the stuff like this. And then we finally got all this stuff and I paid for a ticket. and she didn't put him on the plane. So now it's, you know, summer 2005, I don't have them again. So we go to court.

The court changes full custody to me because the judge had told her in March that if she didn't comply, he was going to send the child to live overseas and she didn't comply. So then she didn't want to comply again. And she's like, well, I'm in Pennsylvania now you can't make me. So the Pennsylvania judge ordered her back to Tennessee. Tennessee gave me full custody, put him in my custody. And 2005, he flew to Europe and lived with us. Wow.

But she had some hesitation. So summer 2006 comes around. I fly to Boston with him. In Boston, I send him on to Cleveland, and then he went on to her. I stayed in Boston for one week, and I left Boston and have not been back in the U.S. since mid-June 2006, and I was not in Pennsylvania. At the end of the summer, she complains about how Europe is a dangerous place and all this kind of stuff, and she doesn't return to center organization. Pennsylvania judge says, no, you have to. And for the second time, he uses police to remove him from her because she says, I'm not going to listen to you either.

So the police take him away, transfer them to my parents. My parents put him on a plane. He flies back to Europe September 2nd, 2006. A few weeks later, she called the state police as I kidnapped him, and then she got the FBI in the case and all this other stuff, and it's blown out of proportion since then. Interimpole read five Bulgarian prisons, three failed extraditions, failed abductions, and yeah.

So let's be clear, by the way. The United States, he was removed by a judge and police under a court order, and I have full custody. and the Tennessee order says that Tennessee is the controlling state until he's 18 because that's the only state my son has ever lived. He was born in Tennessee, grew up in Tennessee until he moved to Europe. So he's never lived anywhere else. So Pennsylvania said, okay, I actually asked him to keep it because by law, it should have transferred to a European country because it transfers to other countries if you don't live in a state. But I felt it'd be unfair to her to have to litigate anything.

So I'm like, just to keep it in Tennessee. And the judge is like, yeah, I agree. So, okay, so to be clear, who are you wanted by right now, technically? FBI and Interpol. Okay. And so you had mentioned Bulgaria prison. And we're going to go back to kind of the nuts and bolts of like how this is even possible. But so what happened with the Bulgaria prison?

And so this is after you had full custody. How did you get picked up and why did that happen? Okay. So I was I traveled to Bulgaria because I was still working for Microsoft at that time I was contracting though because all this custody stuff had interfered and I actually had to leave Microsoft as a whole time employee. But I became a contractor and I was still a Microsoft regional director and so I still had a lot of sway. And they were flying me to Thailand and Malaysia and all these places. We moved to the Caribbean early 2008. And so even from the Caribbean, I was traveling to Thailand and Malaysia and stuff every month.

And I went to Bulgaria. And when I was in Bulgaria, they arrested me on an Interpol Red notice for kidnapping. Oh, wow. And I spent three months in and out of five-year-in Bulgarian prisons. My extradition was denied. And I came back to the Caribbean where I had three kids, including a one-month-old daughter. Oh, my gosh. But I just want to know, like, how was a prison setting there?

Like, how was life? It was horrendous because there were roaches. There was no heat. The food was minimal. I lost, I went from size 42 to size 36 pants in two weeks. Wow. The prisoners were allowed to smoke 11 packs of cigarettes a day and they pretty much did. And the room was almost airtight.

So, I mean, I was suffocating in there. We got showers once a week sometimes. We were locked in the room 23 hours a day. The food was completely disgusting. I don't know how to describe it. I mean, it was bad. It was bad. Wow.

And so. So how did you get out of? prison there? Well, the courts denied my extradition to the United States. And then the U.S. appealed and they lost again. And then they tried to trap me in Bulgaria for a variety of other things. Told the Bulgarians, I was a drug dealer and some other things. And eventually the Bulgarians got tired of their crap because the courts had turned down the United States extradition request twice because the charges are basically bogus. And then they were getting, they were wasting so much of the Bulgarians time. The Bulgarians turned on them and helped me get out of Bulgaria.

Wow. So, and that normally does not happen a lot, right? No, no, no, no. Extraditions are, especially to the United States, are rarely turned down. And they tried to extradite me three times now for multiple countries. And all been denied. So how did this, how do you think, I mean, you know, obviously during this time, you had full custody, right? Like when these warrants came out from the federal government, you had full custody, she went to state police or wherever that went up the chain of, I guess, you know, FBI, whatever. How did this happen? Have you talked with attorneys and so on of how this could happen?

Yeah. Basically, they completely trumped up the charges. I mean, first of all, the indictment says that I kidnapped him from Titusville, Pennsylvania, November 6, 2006. The problem is November 6, 2006, he was a school in Europe. And just in September, the judge had removed him from Pennsylvania using police. So in September, the judge got police taken away from her. Send him back to Europe. Not send him to Europe.

Send him back to Europe where he lived. And then somehow November 6th, they said I kidnapped him, even though I wasn't in Pennsylvania, nor was he and I haven't even been in the U.S. since mid-June, 2006. And I wasn't in Pennsylvania then. Yeah, so this was basically the federal government pretty much just disregarding anything to state court. Right. And so how did she get this done to do this? Yeah. I mean, how did she get him to do this?

Yes. You know, I don't know. There's a lot of theories. Well, one thing is I can tell you, Mary Beth Buchanan's involved. and she has a whole section of Wikipedia of basically cases that she trumped up. And she's the one that went after Tommy Chong. And that whole case was crap too. So she has a track record of basically just trumping crap up to make her a career look good.

And she signed off on all my documents. Now the special agent who did this, he was very involved. He showed up my blind mother's house and kind of intimidated her. He called my lawyer, told my lawyer to drop me. Tried to scare my lawyer. My lawyer told me he was scared. He called up friends and family of mine to tell him I was a horrible person or some stuff. and was trying to get them all to turn on me.

Like they knew something, I don't know what they knew. I mean, why was he going after people I hadn't seen since high school, like 20 years before and stuff? And he used to be head of the, I can't find the record, but he was either the head or a member of the Counterterrorism Task Force of Maryland. And then a year or two before he got involved in my case, somehow he ended up at a branch office in Pennsylvania, basically the Siberia, Pennsylvania.

So if you're an FBI agent and you're on the Counterterrorism Task Force of Maryland, How do you go from that to be in a field office, an assistant field officer in Erie, Pennsylvania? I don't know. It doesn't make any sense. So he was demoted. That's one of my theories. One of my theories is he got demoted. And he was trying to build his career up. And he's like, well, there's this crazy lady willing to lie. And the judge lied about where he was born.

Because the judge said he was born in Pennsylvania. And he wasn't. He was born in Tennessee. And then in the indictment and on the website, it says I'm a former Titusville man. I've never lived in Titusville in my life or Titusville's in Crawford County and Partist in Benango. I've never lived in either of those counties in my life. I'm originally from Pennsylvania, but not those counties and not Titusville. So even on the website, they can't get my hometown right. They say I was in the United States, November, I wasn't.

And they said he was born in Pennsylvania, which he wasn't. I mean, this whole case is just completely fictitious. And they basically participated in fraud. And then they took it through a grand jury, and they never once contacted our lawyers. Normally, and again, like was Trump, and I'm not going to get into the rightness of the wrongness of that. But leading up to his indictment, his lawyers were being talking. to their talk to witnesses. Everybody knew that they were at least going to convene a grand jury and they gave, you know, they talked to Trump and that kind of stuff. Me, it was all done in secret.

They never contacted me whatsoever. The first time I found out I'd been indicted was when I was arrested by Interpol. It was done in secret behind closed doors. None of my lawyers were even allowed to attend, nor were they even notified it was occurring. Well, does it seem like, I mean, do you feel like you've been targeted for some reason? I mean, is it not seem out of the ordinary? I mean, I don't, you know, obviously, we don't see FBI. cases across our desk every day or whatever. Well, it sounds like this FBI guy wanted to get his career started, restarted, too. Maybe, maybe.

But is there, I mean, yeah, I mean, that's one of your theories, right? But at the same time, does it not also seem like you're targeted? I mean, oftentimes when federal agencies go after people, especially when it's bogus, it's usually for either political or targeting type reasons. Have you thought about that at all as far as, you know, what could be? be because of this, especially considering how long has this been since you've been wanted to now?

It depends on which date you use. I always use the date that they say I kidnapped them because if you kidnap somebody or wanted since you kidnap them, right? So I say 17 years because I'm going by the November 2006 date. But the actual indictment at the federal level was May 2009. So it's either

14 or 17 years depending on how you look at it. Wow. As you're the other question, I need a quick bathroom break. So just either pause it. I'll be right back and then I'll answer the other question. Yeah, we're good. Yeah, go ahead. All right, Chad, you were back. So as I said, have you thought that you're targeted, so on? What is your thoughts on that? Let's elaborate on that. Yeah, I'm going to answer that, but real quickly before that, a lot of people like to say, oh, this is just some kind of bureaucratic bumble. No, it's not because if you look at their

overreaction to this, they've treated me like a terrorist. I mean, can you name anyone else they've tried to extradite three times from multiple countries and failed? There's probably somebody out there, but they're probably like a super terrorist. or something. And it can't be a mistake because, first of all, what they did is intentional. They knew what they were doing from the very beginning was a lie. And on top of that, for this to be a mistake, on a mistake, on a mistake, for all these years, statistically is just infinitesimal. It's not possible. But as far as if it's anything bigger, there are some theories. Now, I want to be clear that I'm straying off into a theory territory. When I spoke before,

I have court orders to back up everything I've said there. Okay, court records, everything. the next part I started having trouble 2002 the U.S. Embassy and Cyprus swatted our house and they raided us and the U.S. Embassy told them I was a drug dealer

and at the time I didn't think, I mean I was mad but I thought it was because I had had an engagement with a visa officer at the embassy recently and I thought it was over that but a visa officer doesn't have the power to do this and I didn't like really do anything bad. I just she she did something wrong

and I had to get her to fix it. Yeah. But then since then, I've learned that there's no way she would have had the power to do this. For her to get the U.S. federal, the federal police of Cyprus, a SWATS. It would have to come from a much higher level at the embassy. So there's that. And then also when I started traveling back to the U.S. And I moved to Russia early 2001.

Every time I go back to the U.S., I had severe incidents with the TSA. And we can get into them later if you want. But I'm talking like severe searching and things by the TSA everywhere I went. I started getting, I once got stopped. I forget Western Europe or somewhere by somebody in the airport one time. They pulled me aside. They're like, do you know you're on the FBI? They didn't say FBI.

They said, do you know you're on a bunch of watch lists? I'm like, yeah, I know. And I just explained. And they're like, okay, we'll have a nice day. Now, where these watch lists came from is, and I got to be very limited to what I say here. But my wife is from Russia. Her parents are engineers who work for the Soviet government and have security clearance to military technology that the American.

would love to have access to. Okay. That's all I guess. Okay. And so when I got married to her, the KGB FSB, yeah, I know they were the KGB till it fell apart now that the FSB, but they just renamed themselves and most Westerners don't know it's called FSD. So I'm going to call them the KGB. And so they put me immediately, once my wife and I got married, they put me on their watch list, which is normal. I had a friend who lived in the U.S. and he was married to a Russian lady, and he worked for, they lived in D.C., and I remember who he worked for, the NSA or something, somebody. And she was in the watch list too. And that's normal. Countries do this. They don't normally bother you. Sometimes they let you know, you know, and that kind of stuff. So I knew I was on the

watch list because especially I was traveling in and out of Russia a lot. And first of all, every time I would come through immigration, my passport, I mean, my passport, things would flash on the screen. They'd swipe my passport and you can see their eyes light up because something would start blinking on the screen. And it took me a lot longer to get in and out of rush than anybody else. And sometimes once or twice, they even pulled me aside to like a separate office. And the guys are like, yeah, we're watching. I'm like, yeah, I know. And they're like, aren't you bothered?

I'm like, listen, I know what this is about. It's my wife's parents, you don't bother me. You're not the first time. And they're like, oh, cool, have a nice day. At one time they even picked me up from an airport, I landed, and they picked me up. And they're like, hey, we'll save you the taxi bill and ask you a few questions. I'm like, you know where I'm going? They're like, don't worry.

We even know where you're going. Wow. They took me in as the same kind of questions. I was like, you're on a watch list or watching. I'm like, listen, guys, I got no problem with you. I understand. we're all cool. And they never bothered me. So I mean, I'm not saying that's a

typical experience with the KGB FSB. But for me, they never bothered me. I was in their watch list. Okay. Legit. But the problem is, once I got put on that watch list, sometime in 2001 or 2002, I think it was probably 2001, because I remember her parents actually had the report that she was

engaged to me for security reasons. They had to report it. As an American man, right? Yeah, because their daughter was engaged to an American living in Russia, and especially we were living in a city that used to be a closed city that foreigners weren't even allowed in. And that's normal practice. She had to report it.

And again, my friend in the U.S. was the same way. When he got married, he had to report it to somebody in the U.S. I don't know. I can't remember which agency worked for. He had to say, I'm getting married and she's a Russian citizen and they put her watch list. So again, no big deal. But once I got put in this watch list, other countries started adding me to their watch list because they seemed to somehow know why I was in that watch list, but nobody knew why.

And it just kind of snowballed from there. So I started having a lot of interesting travel stories. Wow. So basically the United States was looking at you as maybe a potential spy to Russia. In other countries. Two options here. One, and again, I don't have proof of this, but either there's some stupid CIA agent or whatever, like, oh, he's married to this lady and her parents to this.

Maybe we can turn him. And that was never going to happen. Okay, that was never going to happen. And it's a wet dream of some CIA agent, but that doesn't stop them from dreaming. So maybe they thought they could turn me somehow. Yeah. Okay. And then they just did all that.

So the theory is that this bumbling judge in Pennsylvania made this mess. And then this person noticed and they're like, you know what? If we get them into federal custody, we can ask them to work for us if we let them out. And they do things like this. And this is documented. I mean, you can look at declassified CIA files. You can talk to the former CIA and FBI agents on TikTok who talk about how they recruit people. And sometimes they do stuff like that.

So it could have been that like, let's get me in a nasty Bulgarian prison. And then we'll get them back in U.S. custody and we'll say, work for us, we'll let you out. It could have been something like that. Yeah. The other option is when I worked for Microsoft, I traveled with ease. I mean, you flash a Microsoft business card. Your problems are solved.

And the few times I had problems, I called Microsoft, and they would call the minister of foreign affairs. And, I mean, I've got, I've been denied entry into a few countries on bureaucratic bumbles and things. And I made to call Microsoft one time the Saudi Royal Family brought me in personally. Okay? Wow. And so I've had things like that happen.

So the way the CIA recruits a lot of people is it's easier to, recruit somebody who has a cover that it is to recruit somebody and build a cover, right? Yeah. Yeah. That makes complete sense. Yeah. And I've been traveling all throughout the Middle East with absolute ease. And during my travels, there were at least three foreign intelligence agencies that tried

to recruit me. One was Pakistan. One was U.E and one was Saudi. And there may have been more, but those three were very clear. They were intelligence agencies trying to recruit me to work for them. Those three are also all big, huge American allies. Yeah. So it could be that they.

they were trying to recruit me, or it could be they were trying to recruit me on behalf of the Americans. And then when I kept turning them down and then they noticed this Pennsylvania thing, they're like, okay, let's get the guy in custody and change his mind. I'm not saying that's what it was, but I'm saying there's a whole lot of smoke around that. And it would be foolish to not at least consider there as a possibility, especially since I don't know why they're doing this. Because their response to me is so disproportionate that it makes zero sense. Yeah, and you have to also think, too, that, you know, at the time, the time we're talking about with your wife and her and her parents, I mean, the allure, the draw to even, you know,

just based on the concept you're talking about, the lure to the draw of even your wife's connections to the Russian government for the CIA would be probably worth it. Yep. In a lot of ways, especially considering that, hey, this guy works for Microsoft, we're CIA. We can absolutely make sure that he becomes CIA, but no one knows any difference. And we can use them because he already has a cover. Yes. And that's the main thing.

That's a theory. And again, I don't have any evidence to this, but there's a whole lot of smoke for many, many years. Yeah. Well, when I heard your story, I got to be honest, Chad. I mean, it sounded nuts, right? And actually, some of our listeners reached out and said, hey, you guys got to check his story out. Like, I think it's very important you guys listened to it. And I did.

And even after talking to you the other night, you know, I mean, up until when we started to theorize about things and some of your thoughts, you know, in the past and kind of, especially since you've been going through this for so long, none of it made sense and still we, you know, or until. It still doesn't. No, but until we started talking about the theory side of it, because, I mean, you can say that, like, okay, so the state court has said, hey, he has custody, and then this other state court also said this, but yet the federal government is going to come along and put their nose into a kidnapping case, and especially considering the fact that, well, I don't know if you

want to, how old is your son now? I need a bathroom break again. Sorry. Okay. You're good. Go ahead. We're good. Okay. I mean, like 15 seconds. All right, good. No problem. So how old is your son know? Alex will be 27 next month. 27. And you were still wanted today.

And he's 27 years old? Like, seriously. I don't get this. Does your son live with you or around you or near you? He lived in the same house until he's 25. Now he lives just down the road. So he lives pretty close. Okay. So does, does, Does he have any relationship with his mother or no? No, uh-uh. In fact, the last time, see, she sent some letters in 2010 and 2011, some birthday cards or something.

Then for over 10 years, she didn't send him so much as a letter, never tried to call him, never tried to visit him again. And then in 2021, after Pennsylvania dismissed the case, a letter shows up. But he basically has nothing to do with her because he sent, we didn't know where she was again because she kept hiding. And around, I can look at the day, but sometime around 2015 or 2015, 20, 20, 2015, 2017 range. He called her lawyer and basically said, listen, I want my mom to stop this. And I don't know if I would have an adult relationship with her or not. But until she stops this, I want nothing to do with her. And he says, okay, I'll pass a message along. He would not give, he would not give Alex her phone number or anything like that. And he's like, but I'll pass along. And within a few hours, it may be the

next day, but I'm pretty sure it's within a few hours. We get a call back on our Skype number. And the lawyers, her lawyer is pretty much like, as a lawyer, I'm not going to repeat what she said, but I'm going to kind of intimate. And I remember exactly what he hinted at, but it was basically she told him to go to hell. Oh, my gosh. His own mom? Yeah, I don't have her exact words.

The lawyer wouldn't repeat exactly what she said, but he kind of hinted at that that's what she said. Wow. So you're still wanted. Now, do you care to say where you live now or like? Yeah, no, I'm St. Kitt's Caribbean. I've lived here since early 2008. I lived here before any of this stuff happened.

Wow. And so let's briefly, And I want to come back to the CIA and all this craziness because I think there's something to that. But so you're down there and you know, you've had to go to the bathroom a couple of times on this podcast. It's fine because, I mean, I actually have to use the bathroom quite often too. But what is your, so we talked about your medical issues. Like, what is the problem with being in this area in St. Kitt's and also not being able to travel to the United States with your medical condition? Well, he can't travel anywhere because he'll get arrested.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm St Kitts as an island is only 50% larger than Disney World. There's only 35,000 people here. And so our hospital, given those demographics and economics, is extremely basic. We don't even have a functioning MRI machine right now. We didn't even have a dialysis unit until a couple years ago. And we just don't have the equipment I need here to perform the surgery that I need

or fully diagnose me. So I'm left in trauma levels of pain every day. I've been taken to the hospital by ambulance a few times completely passed out. And they keep bringing me back. And they keep telling me you've got to fly out to another. island, but I can't go anywhere because the Interpol Red Notice, I'll be arrested again. And extradition will be denied. No country is going to hand me over except the United Kingdom, because they have a special treaty. They basically hand anybody over.

Yeah. But what will happen is, let's say I go to another island. It'll be Bulgaria. It'll be months to years in prison before the extradition is denied or what cost us tens of not hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees, which we don't have. And I'll just be sent back here if I don't die in prison first. Wow. So you are really kind of a, I mean, do you feel like your medical condition is a life-threatening medical condition. Oh, it's been life-threatening for over 10 years. The doctors are amazed I'm still alive. Wow.

Tell us about some of the symptoms you're having right now. Yeah, what is it that you deal with? Trauma levels of pain ranging from the top of my head to my feet. I mean, just in trauma levels. I've been in car accidents. I've had back surgery. I mean, I've been through some painful events and nothing even touches the amount of pain I go through in a single day.

On Sunday, I pass 200 kidney stones and no, I'm not making this up. And no, I'm not joking. Today I have passed four two millimeter kidney stones alone. And people get flown out of here in an armist for a single two millimeter kidney stone. And sometimes, you know, I pass hundreds. Now, when I say hundreds, most of them are sand. But on Sunday, I probably passed 20 to 30 stones that were one to two millimeters in addition to the other 150 to 170 pieces of sand. And I asked you the other night, I was like, this is terrible.

Why can't you go to another island or something? Why can't they like, you know, bus you into another island? They can't go. We made the offer to the FBI. We were in September 2020. We were in federal court again. Cross the water. And we asked them to either let me travel for medical care or allow me to turn myself in if they

will, A, allow me to get medical care around the United States. And B, agree not to delay the trial beyond the Speedy Trials Act. They said no to both. So basically, they want to hold me in prison for years, forced me into a plea bargain. And they do that all the time. People who don't believe it, I can bring up case after case after case of people they've held three, four, five, six, seven, eight, even ten years like I was held. and it was called the judge said it was a speedy trial.

And the average federal trial time right now is 18 to 24 months anyways after COVID. And even before COVID is 12 to 18 months. So I've even offered to turn myself in, they're afraid to go to trial. Because would you want to be the prosecutor that goes before a judge and a jury and be like, oh, we lied about the child's birth state. We lied about Mr. Howard's whereabouts. We lied about his hometown. And that's just for starters.

He's never going to go before a jury. In his 20-year career as a federal DA, he's only done 12 trials. I guarantee you he will never bring this to trial. Yeah. And he won't be to die here. In fact, he said in front of a federal judge, he said the only way, because they've tried to extradite me so many times, and he knows they can't extradite me out of here, the only way he will allow me to turn myself in is to turn myself into the U.S. Embassy Insane Kitts. The problem is there is no U.S. Embassy Insane Kits. And he knew this at the time.

He was just trying to get away from the judge and get out of the courtroom. And even my lawyer pointed out that there's no U.S. Embassy in St. Kitts, even the judge was like, well, not my problem. I guess he can die. Wow. Yeah. So they don't want, you know, to what you're saying is, you know, you had offered to turn yourself in given health care. But do they not have to give you health care, say that you go to the United States, you are arrested? Is that not something that, I mean, keeping in mind, things are different now. As TV, federal courts have ruled that they're not obligated to keep you alive while you're in prison.

And there are so many TikTokers that are former prisoners like JD Delay who talk about health care all the time, about cancer patients, being in a Tylenol to suck it up. They just hold you, they'll miss, they'll drop the paper. work. They won't handle it, especially with a lot of these private prisons. And yes, federal prisons are better than most state, but they're still very bad. And you can die and they're not held liable because the courts have ruled that they're not obligated to keep you alive. Yeah. And although your son says he doesn't want this happening, like he wants all charges, charges dropped and still continues. Yeah, he's done he's done interviews with ABC and Fox affiliates in Pennsylvania and been like, listen, I'm not missing. Take my poster down.

They wouldn't even take his poster down at that time. and they won't drop the charges. And that story basically went nowhere. It was on ABC and Fox, and nobody picked it up. Wow. Yeah, it just sounds like to me, I mean, there's something bigger behind it because it just doesn't make sense that the federal government is going to come after you for kidnapping, although it's obviously not kidnapping. I mean, you can look at the state court records. Yeah, it's more of a custody battle.

But it's not even a custody battle. Yeah, it's not really. First of all, I'm not even guilty of the custody accusations because I had full custody. And the last time is there a judge removed him. Right. But let's say that I did violate the custody, which is not what the indictment says. The indictment says that I physically removed him in November. The website says I held him overseas, but the actual indictment says I actually kidnapped him.

And the indictment is what they sent to all the newspapers. So all the newspapers printed that I kidnapped him. I have people I went to high school who contact me like, is that kid still alive? I mean, that's how they covered this. Yeah. So they're trying to bleed the double sides of the fence here. But let's say that the website's right, the one that says I'm from Titusville, which I'm not. If it was just a simple custody battle, first of all, there have been so few people

convicted of kidnapping for custody battle is very rare. And why the massive response, three extraditions, attempted abductions, does that make sense for a custody battle for a child who said he doesn't want to live his mother anyways and who she kidnapped him before? Yeah. No. No. Yeah, that's crazy. Wow. So what do you think the overall reason why this is happening to you, normally this would not happen to normal people, right? Why do you think it's happening to you? Well, at this point, I mean, it's obviously a cover-up at this point. I mean, the agent and the prosecutor and whoever else is involved, once this comes out, they're going to have to re-examine every case that agent,

that prosecutor touched. And they can be charged with prosecutorial misconduct and I can sue the Department of Justice, which takes years, I know. But they're basically trying to bury this the best they can. They continue to call journalists, or journalists call them. I even had a CNN. I talked to a CNN producer for an hour, and he was very interested. And this is a pattern that happens.

They're like, I tell them, listen, call anybody. everybody and everybody got nothing to hide. You want Beckna's number. Here's her phone number. Here's a cell phone because she sent it to the judge in 2021 in a letter and I have that. And I'm like, listen, contact anybody you want. I got nothing to hide. They contact the FBI and then they either ghost me or they reply back to me and say the FBI told me are a dangerous person and it's illegal to interview a fugitive who is active fugitive because it's aiding and abetting. But meanwhile, they talk to Snowden and Assange all the time. Yeah. So they're just, they're staring reporters not to talk to me. And they did it to my lawyers back in 2007, 2008. eight-ish. They showed at my mom's house. So this is nothing new. But it's just, it's insane the levels that they go to to prevent any sort of press whatsoever on this case because they're covering it up. So I don't think they're still trying to recruit me because I'm a crippled person

who's been out of work for over 10 years and is financially failing and has bad health. But at this point, they're actively covering up. As to why they started it, we talked about those series before. Yeah. So who was the main guy that was like really after you? There's two of them. The FBI agent is the one who started all this. That's FBI. special agent. Everyone know they call them special agents? Well, I know. They're special. Kurt Brace.

And he's now retired. He retired a few years ago. But I have even an email from him in 2017. He was emailing down to St. Kitts and complaining, literally whining that the St. Kitt's authorities were being uncooperative to their request. What he calls the rule of law and denial of extradition, he calls being uncooperative. And what did you say his name was again? Say that name again. He went with the prosecutor who is Christian Traybold.

And it's the two of them who are the main players right now. And Traybold is the same prosecutor. that was back then, and he refuses to dismiss this case, even though he could in a few minutes. So the FBI and the government is basically after you, and it sounds like that, like I said, I think there's something bigger behind this. I mean, I know it sounds crazy when you think about it. Probably you've thought about this as well. It's like, what is the main conglomerate deal behind all this? But there has to be. It doesn't make sense. Nothing about it makes sense. at the very least the fact they have not dropped charges on this

but we have to keep in mind as well when grand juries are involved or when FBI prosecutor sorry federal prosecutors and you know government organizations like FBI CIA whoever they gets involved in cases you know their conviction rates are extremely high because of their I guess power power of the government

yeah and so when you bring anything. And even when the FBI or whoever brings anything in front of a grand jury, their conviction rate is something in the high 90 percentile. Well, to be clear, grand juries don't convict. Grand juries indict. Yeah, they indict. But what I'm saying is, yeah, what I'm saying is once they bring it to a grand jury and they indict, the conviction rate past that is usually somewhere in a 90 percent range. And the reason is because most people, either they lock them up in prison and they tell them, we'll let you out now if you'll plea

bargain or will plea bargain now before it even goes to trial. And most people, even if they want to go to trial, they can't afford it because a federal trial can easily run to the six figures. I mean, most federal trials do start in the six figures. Yeah. So most people just give up, plead guilty and take whatever they can. And so what they do is the U.S. has this policy of over-criminalization. So something that might be one year in the rest of the world, and the U.S. is going to be five or six years. And the reason they do that is they come down and you're like, we're going to put you away for six years.

But if you plead guilty right now, you'll do six months or no time at all. and they actually did this to one of my siblings. One of my siblings got caught up in something. He wasn't guilty. And they basically forced him to a plea bargain because he didn't want to go to prison. And he was just, he got caught up in something. And they basically told him and the other people that are caught up, they said, you have to turn on the main man who was actually the problem and plead guilty.

And so most people just plead guilty because they have no other choice. And that's why they have these high conviction rates. But at the federal level, there isn't 8% dismissal rate. 8% of indictments, federal indictments, are actually dismissed outright. right. So he can certainly dismiss it. He's admitted in court. He can dismiss it. Just refuses because if he dismisses it, he's going to have to admit what he did. And it opens them to civil liability for me to turn around and sue the Department of Justice. Yeah, that makes sense. That does make sense, though. So what if you could do something like, do, listen,

we've been doing this as 2006, 2008. Let's just like write it off. I need to get health care. Let it go. And I need health care. We made that offer he refuses. Yeah. I mean, I have the court record as a transcript showing him refusing it. We filed in March 22. We've been trying to get in the federal court many times. They kept blocking our filings.

We'd file and they would say, you're a fugitive. We don't have to accept any filings at all. So we finally forced it in front of the court. He responded in May 23. We filed this an emergency. We told him it was hurry because of my health. They didn't hurry. He kept delaying.

And then finally in August, we put another petition for the judge and said, listen, this is an emergency, you need to hear it. The judge is like, okay, we'll have one in September. Had the hearing in September, and the prosecutor walked in and added more lies, accusing me of time travel for the second time in my life. It's to the point these prosecutors are so buddy, buddy with the judges, the prosecutor can walk in and he could say that I'm Stalin or Elvis reincarnated, and the judge wouldn't even ask for any proof.

Be like, well, if the prosecutor says so, I guess that's the case. When we tried to bring before the judge, the fact that my son was not born in Pennsylvania, the fact that I'm not from Titusville, the fact that I was not in the United States, the fact that there's a Tennessee order, the fact of all these things, he responded, and this is in the transcript. He said, according to some court ruling, evidence is not, evidence presented in a federal grand jury by the prosecutor, keep in mind, it's all done in secret, is not allowed to be challenged until a trial. It can be challenged if the prosecutor allows him. He's basically hiding behind bureaucracy and telling the judge, we don't have to look at anything. Yeah, I said he was born in Pennsylvania and he wasn't. But we don't have to look at that until there's a trial, and by the way, it won't give him a trial. Wow. Hey, let me ask you, talking about this, what is your thoughts overall? I mean, probably your thoughts on the justice system in the United States has obviously probably changed since this has happened to you. But what was your, I guess, general thoughts on the justice system before and now? I mean, has it opened your eyes to like the way things are actually being played out in the United States? I mean, and do you see it completely different than you did before?

I left the U.S. in early 2001 prior to 9-11, so before Patriot Act, before NDAA, because I was already upset about Eschalon, and there's another program I can't remember because Carnivore was like 2005, but there was another program besides Eschlon. And I'd seen these in the 90s because I've been in tech. And I started seeing the original civil liberties, wasn't happy, so I wanted to get out. So I already knew that justice system was a bit of a mess as well. I had seen a lot of things. So my eyes were pretty open, but once this happened, it was like my eyes went from open to me, you know, just it was a whole another level. So I already knew the abuses, but it had just gotten way worse. And I need a bathroom break again. Sorry. Oh, you're good. Go ahead. All right. So, so we're back.

Now that you are, you know, you're in St. Kids. Do you like the place other than the fact that you can't get medical care there? I mean, would you, you know, you said that you kind of saw what was going on in the United States and things were kind of going, you know, well, there's a lot of people that are considering moving out of the United States right now. And to be honest, around the world, people are looking at the United States as, you know, this used to be the beacon of hope and freedom. And now it's kind of starting to fall by the wayside. But even if this did not happen to you, would you, I guess, be living in the United States right now? No, I would not. I mean, I left in 2001. I got no desire to come back. I've lived in, I think we counted one time. It's 11 or 12 countries. And same kids is awesome. Yeah, I mean, in medical care aside, but most people, they have, you know, they just fly out. Everybody here has error. I mean, I have air. I have air. ambulance coverage if it'll get me too nearby island, I just can't go because the government's

either going to deny the flight or arrest me when I land. Wow. So the medical care is something, yeah, the medical care needs to be improved here even for our size island. But that aside, yeah, I mean, it's an awesome place. And there are tons of, there's probably more Canadians here than Americans. But as far as tourists, yeah, there's more Americans. We get like a million visitors a year.

We have direct flights from Miami, New York, Charlotte. There's cruise ships here every day. So we're very often in the top 10, it's like when they do these top tens of best islands in the world to visit. We're very often in the top 10, usually within the top few even. Oh, I'm sure. But what is the best thing that could happen to help your health care at this time? Or this case. Well, we get the charges dismissed and then I can travel. I can get my, I can use my area of insurance and fly to Antigua or St. Martin or someplace and get the procedure and then get the health care and then hopefully resume my life. Yeah. Well, what do you think the first step is to

getting dismissed. Have you thought about this? What is what is the thing that someone can do? If someone's listening right now that can help, what is that they can do to potentially help your situation? I mean, is there is there something that you've thought about, whether it be Congresspeople, the government, you know, what do you think? Well, let somebody know the congressman personally is going to be useless. I mean, we got a hold of Mike Kelly. We had somebody who had a direct line to his like what of his main aides and I had to sign some documents and then it sent him off And he just sent me a letter and says, yeah, you're wanted by the FBI. Sorry, can't help you, bud.

So they're useless. What we need is media coverage, but the FBI keeps shutting down reporters. And since most reporters don't normally deal with the FBI, it's not hard to scare them off. So unless I get a reporter who has done stories and exposed the FBI or is really looking to run with something, they're going to continue to scare them off. But these cases, this is how it works. If you put the words prosecutorial misconduct into a search engine, you'll find thousands of cases. And then when you dig into these cases, you'll find that the prosecutors are screwing these.

people for a long time, couldn't get any justice whatsoever. Then they got media attention and all of a sudden the case got resolved. So we need large media attention. Which means we need people to share this podcast. Whoever is listening, just share it to two friends. Yeah, absolutely. Anyone, yeah, anyone out there, share this. Share it wherever you are because, I mean, you know, we have a, over five years, we have built a large audience around the world and we're very proud of our audience in our community and they do so good with so many things. And the reason why we took on this episode, this podcast, this interview and kind of getting your story is because it just, you know, it goes right along with so much of what we talk about on this episode, or I mean, sorry,

on this podcast. It goes along with the corruption. It goes along with the bureaucracy and the government overreach. These are all the things that I think we're witnessing in this case, although I do believe, in my personal opinion, it seems like there's some. something more at play, even to the theory side of this, then maybe you even 100% acknowledge. And, I mean, I think you understand that that's a possibility, as we talked about. But I just think that oftentimes people can think that, oh, that's crazy. There's no way it's because of that. But the reality is it very well could be.

You don't know maybe how big of either a threat level the government sees you as, considered maybe your wife's parents or or how big of an asset the government may see you to be in both of those things and and I just think I think just the whole the whole thing about kidnapping especially when a state court and I think two state courts said no you have custody and then a government comes after you which is like usually if you took something like that to the FBI or whoever they're going to be like we don't want to deal with that we don't do custody Yeah, like, that's ridiculous. In fact, when she kidnapped him in 2004, my first step was to call FBI, FBI Pittsburgh.

And when I called them and said she ran off from Tennessee and I believe she was in Pennsylvania, they actually told me we don't do custody cases. Sorry. Same office. Yeah, I mean, that's like if you called the cops. The possibility of these things, yeah, I'm definitely home the possibilities because there's so much smoke. I mean, why would they tell the governor of Cyprus as a drug dealer in 2002? And then why did I start having problems with the TSA and all this stuff as far back to 2002?

All this stuff started after I moved to Russia in early 2001. So there's a lot of smoke. I just can't say if that's it or not. I mean, I'm certainly open to it. But I don't have anything but a theory. But I don't have a theory that this is just him trying to make his career. Maybe it's a combination. I just don't know.

But there's a lot of smoke around that area, for sure. But, Chad, you have to understand that the United States and Russia's relationship over so many years has been so flawed, but also just a constant battle between. information. I mean, we did a podcast last night about Operation Stargate, although as crazy as it sounds with telepathy and the CIA and their involvement in this program as far as trying to basically beat the Russians in telepathy, right, and trying to do remote viewing to try to gather classified information data based on psychics. I mean, it's literally every single aspect of the past 50 to 60 years

versus the Soviet Union and the United States, there's always an edge to be had. And that's not necessarily saying that someone that is a Microsoft, you know, higher up person or whatever that's in that position. Plus, has a wife that has a

position in authority or parents have a position of authority in the Russian government. Well, let me clear. They didn't have a position of authority. They were engineers who had classified access to military, materials. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Which is probably better than a position of authority, to be honest. But in hindsight, we have to imagine if he married a Russian girl

moved there and the parents are engineers there. He got on the list, you think about, okay, if any of you've watched like CIA documentaries

and you watch it, they don't go after like these people that are in the coat and tie black suits. They go out. after normal people. Yeah, they don't go after guys with like, you know, with

criminal science degrees. Right. They go after normal people that are already traveling around around the world, whatever, and that's who they go for. And specifically, if they have a little bit of access somewhere. Yes. Especially when he said he had

access to the Middle East and he even at one point you said something about your passport wasn't working and the government let you in or whatever? Oh, that that's happened multiple times, yeah, where I've had bureaucratic issues, like one time, they issued me the, it, they gave, okay, Saudi is really strict in their visas, and so I had a visa that allowed me to travel by air, and we booked an air ticket, but the last,

what it flew, it flew to Bahrain, and then the last ticket, although I had a boarding pass, was actually a bus. I never knew it was a bus until I got to the airport, and it's a bus. And the Saudis wouldn't let me in because I had a visa that said air entry, and the last leg was a bus, even though I bought an air ticket. And I had a lot of little things like that. And so basically they wouldn't let me in, but Microsoft needed me the next day because I was like the main speaker at a conference. So I made a phone call and the royal family got involved and they brought me through the royal line and they had to prince or somebody do something. I mean, that's a whole long story I can tell if you want. But basically Microsoft got me in and that's not the first time.

I had other problems where I would go to an embassy to get a visa. And for one reason or another, they would give me garbage just because they were bureaucrats. And I'd make a phone call and Microsoft had called the miniature of foreign affairs. They called the embassy and they'd fix it. One time an ambassador came out to person. I apologized to me. Wow. So I need a bathroom break again real quick.

Sorry. You're good. All right. We're back. And, uh, chat. So it's crazy. This whole story sounds insane, right? I mean, it sounds like something out of, uh, some kind of, uh, thriller movie of some

fugitive on the run, uh, from some, you know, top secret operative type deal that might have been going on behind the scenes. Because in reality, like I said, it, the story doesn't make any sense. no sense whatsoever based on the actual story, right? Until you start theorizing what could be actually the culprit behind this. And I'm not saying that's the case, but we also have to understand that, like I said, I think that a lot of times we don't also understand how the government works, how they recruit, how they do certain things.

Don't necessarily know that that was your case, but it just, you have a lot of ingredients to make a cake. and the cake is... A lot of smoke. Yeah, and the cake is the, you know, the theories, right? Mm-hmm. So it is very strange. What is your... So what is the deal right now?

Like, what is your current situation? You live in St. Kitts. You have this medical condition. You can't travel outside of St. Kitts. But you do have a TikTok, right? You've been pretty prominent on TikTok, right? Yeah, I've got 172,000 followers, four and a half million views.

sorry, four and a half million likes, like 90 million views. So, yeah, TikTok's my main thing. I'm on YouTube and Twitter and Instagram, but YouTube, sorry, TikTok's my main one. The other ones I've only been on like two months and I'm still growing those accounts. And what is your TikTok, by the way? What is the people want to find you? The TikTok fugitive. Okay, TikTok fugitive.

And so what do you post over there? Is it like just kind of stuff based on your story and kind of what you've been through? Well, I post, I've been posting, you know, I'm up to part 41 or 14. 42 of arrested by Interpol in Bulgaria. I post about the U.S. justice system. I post about other cases. I post about, you know, I post like day, today I think is day 6,021 and being wanted by FBA and Interpol.

Sometimes I'm on a beach just mocking them. I've made videos challenging the FBI to dare try and come get me. I'm trying to provoke them. We called the FBI one time, asked them if we could record it. They said no. So I made a summary of that. I troll their LinkedIn account sometimes. I wave at them on Twitter, stuff like that.

That's exactly what I would do. I post court documents, transcripts, and then the website has pieces as well. So, I mean, I'm here goading them, absolutely. Well, you really pretty much have to because you are in dire need of medical attention and you can't leave the island without getting arrested. And if you get arrested, you're going to be sitting in jail for three months. Yeah, and I think they kind of know, too, that like you're already kind of in prison, even though, I mean, you're in prison because you're medical condition, right?

But, I mean, you know, if you didn't have that condition, you would probably be in paradise. Yep. And we didn't talk about the time his mother came to St. Kitts or the time or why his poster got removed or the time they tried to abduct him or the time it looks like they're possibly trying to abduct me. Those are four things we haven't touched on yet. Well, go ahead. I mean, unless you want to do it part two, but you can talk about it now. We can do it's up to you if you want to write them down and save them. I mean, that would make a good part too.

Yeah, let's do part two. Yeah, we can definitely do part two. Now, we do have a CIA officer has been on this podcast before, which I kind of, and I told you the other day, I said, I would love to actually just, whether it's with you on this episode or bringing him on separately to talk about something and talk about recruitment and how they do things in CIA as far as his standpoint on it. I would be interested. Well, he told us that. He told us they get regular people. Yeah, they get ordinary people, especially with a cover story. Yeah.

Because I don't know. I'm very intrigued by that. It's not that I'm not intrigued, obviously. we're obviously intrigued by the fact that the federal government has been after you for this long for bogus BS reasons. Right, and they're not, they're preventing him from getting medical help because they won't let this go because of this one dude. Pretty much are the two dudes. Like when I tell people they tried to abduct my 13-year-old son at the time, they say I'm crazy.

But A, I have some court documentation about it here. B, when he did his news interview, he talks about how they tried to kidnap him because he remembers it. And also on the Department of Justice website, it clearly says that the courts ruled in the U.S. Supreme Court in 1992 ruled that they're allowed to abduct people overseas if they want to, even if it's on violation of that country's laws. Yeah. Yeah, because they don't care about Constitution over there either, especially because you're not in the United States. You know, there was someone that told us the other day, and I go back to this, and I think about this. And oftentimes, when you do a podcast like ours that calls out government and calls out national intelligence and calls out these, you know, these high-up intelligence operations or agencies.

There was someone that told us the other day that said, you know, I know a lot of what you guys talk about, you know, you may believe in or whatever the case is. And like all of what we say, especially in terms of government, we are always backing our information up with documents or files or whatever the case may be. But they went on to tell us, and by the way, this person was a person in law enforcement. I will just say that. And he said, you know, but what you have to understand is it doesn't matter if you're telling the truth or not anymore. It matters about the fact of whether they have a big enough issue with it, you will be sitting in jail.

And the fact that we have got to that place in this country. And it's something that 10, 20 years ago, we would look at places like China or North Korea or all of these other dictatorship tyrannical powers. and we would look at that and say, oh my God, I'm so proud to be an American. I'm so proud to be, you know, a patriot of this country because we have all these rights and freedoms and you can say what you want and you can do as long as it's true and not defamatory and all this stuff, but now we have moved past that. It's not about that anymore. You can now even tell the truth and, you know, you have disinformation, misinformation, misinformation,

but now you have what they call mal-information, which is not necessarily untrue. It is just against the narrative based on what they're trying to accomplish. And so much of what you're kind of talking about and your story and all this stuff, whatever the reason is behind this, whether it is as, and I don't want to say innocent, but whether it is as innocent in the, in the spectrum of this either prosecutor or FBI agent wants to make sure that this case that they kind of already enveloped themselves in remains a thing, right? Right. Because they effed up. Because they effed up. Whether it's that or whether it's all the way to. the other end of the level to where some secretive CIA type opt to try to recruit or try to gather information on Russia

or whatever the case may be. Either way is screwed up. Either way is corrupt. And he's in a position where he's stuck. And by the way, by the way, I can actually more understand this if it is the lower end of the spectrum. I more understand it, I guess in some ways

well, no, sorry, sorry, sorry. I reverse that. I more understand this If it is the opposite, right? The CIA operative. No, if it is the CIA op. They're trying to get him as a CIA agent. Yeah, that's more understandable than even this FBI or prosecutor that's saying, hey, we started this.

No, I don't. I think this guy is out to get him. No, I don't think so. Because what would be the point of that? Because he got demoted. To use the federal government to go after one person, three extraditions. And it's based on one guy. Or a prosecutor, come on.

Walking for a minute, I have to go to the bathroom, but I can hear you, so keep talking. No, you're good. But what is, I mean, it just, that whole thing doesn't make sense. But he was also demoted at the time, and he went from like a big wig position to like going back to Pennsylvania and he had this case in front of him. And he really wanted to win this case. And he's going to do anything you can to win the case. Yeah, I get that. But also, you have to understand that, like, you know, now Chad is.

has built this following, this big platform on TikTok. And, and, and, and, and, and, yeah, and that's what Chad's trying to do. I know, but what I'm saying is, you're, you're talking about the, the power of the federal government, three extraditions later, um, three extraditions that have been denied. And you're telling me this is all because of an ego, uh, of some guy. I just doubt it. I've very, I've, I mean, I, I, I, you might have heard of that every once in a while, maybe a top agent. I mean, you look at the Trump thing. Let's go back to the Trump thing for one second. Alvin Bragg, he's vowed himself and along with the other prosecutor attorneys around Trump, for example, have vowed since the beginning that they want to prosecute Trump. They want to indict Trump.

They've said this for many years. And it was always their mission to do this. But Trump is a major political figure. He is a, he's a, you know, like a power force against their, whatever their belief is. I get what you're saying. Yes, I do. So, Chad, though, is not. But they're almost given the same amount of resources in some ways.

Right. But maybe the guy that's going after him has a lot of weight on his shoulders. They're saying, don't give up. Don't let this case go for some reason. But how would you- You know if you called me in the Bulgarian prison? Do you know what the guards called me? What?

The American Taliban. Wow. Because of whatever the American authorities told them, they thought that I was super dangerous. And that's probably what they told them just to make, you know, just to try to make it as bad as possible for them to extradite you. Yeah, exactly. And they wanted to make a... But that's how they framed the whole argument, whether it's in the newspapers or wherever. Because originally when I got arrested in Bulgaria, I agreed to submit and go back.

But then I got news of what they were saying about me in the U.S. papers, and I realized that they were going to shaft me. Yeah. And so I said, nope, I'm fighting it. Well, I do definitely think that we're going to need a part two of the, that. this because I mean there's there's so much more to talk about um especially i mean with the wanted posters and how all that happened and um and all of that and i like i said i think there's more of this story i've been saying this i've been thinking this for the entire time i i mean not more to the story you're not telling us what i'm saying is there's more of the story that we don't understand or no

um and maybe you probably don't as well and uh it will be interesting because i would like a an opinion from either a high-up attorney or a federal attorney, because we have contacts for those as well, or a CIA officer to where they can talk or discuss this type of thing, right? What would be the reason that someone would do this for this amount of time, and how would someone resolve this in any way, shape, or form? Because I think, look, the only reason we want to do this episode is to make this better, right, to resolve this. We don't want to do it for view or for downloads or money or none of us. I mean, we, we want to actually make a difference, right?

Yeah, we want to be the reason. We actually want Chad to be able to go to a hospital and have an MRI. Yes. That's what we want. Some life-saving medical. We got to get this out so that he's able to do that. He just said today he passed like a, what was it, Chad? On Sunday, I passed like maybe 20 or 30, but on Sunday I passed like over 200.

And I also want to say that because I told you. everybody I'm in pain earlier, but before this episode, I had to go on massive amounts of pain killer. So, yeah, I'm super high right now, but I'm still absolutely lucid. I mean, I can recall dates. I'm the most, probably the most lucid people you ever talk to, even when I'm high, but that's how painful it is right now.

I'm sure. If you want to bring on the former CIA, I mean, you want to do a double show where he and I talk, I'm cool at that too. Yeah. I mean, we'll definitely try that because, you know, and like I said, once CIA, always CIA, I don't know how, you know, how much, you know, if we tell them the story and then he says, hey, do you want to come on with this guy?

I don't know. We'll see. I mean, it doesn't hurt to try at the very least. And at the very least, too, even if he doesn't want to do that. And then we say, hey, well, why don't you come on listen these two episodes and then come on and tell us your thoughts on this? Either or, right? Yeah. For sure. Because I think at the end of day, you have to get this resolved. You have to get medical care. And it sounds like complete bullshit. It is. And he's in complete pain. If any of you guys know what it's like to pass even one. kidney stone, it's, okay, it's a comparison to dudes that can't have babies. Like, that's the comparison of the pain. What does that you mean? Well, I'm saying the pain is bad as having a child is what I've heard. Every female friend I've had who has had kidney stones have said they're worse than giving

birth. They said they'd rather give birth on past the kidney stone. And I think is I have all the medical records to back this up. I saved the stones for almost a year and then somebody was cleaning and dumped it out. But I mean, I have photos, videos of the stones, and a cop for anybody who's doubting, and the medical records to back all this up. Yeah, it's nuts. Well, Chad, listen, we are going, I hope our audience will help with this. And I know we have a lot of law enforcement, a lot of people out there that kind of listen to this stuff in our episodes.

And maybe they can give some insight. And by the way, all of you out there that want to give any insider thoughts on this, please let us know. I mean, you can obviously get us on Substack or Twitter or our email, contact and investigator with podcasts. com all of those things you guys can do um and they also can reach out directly to him yeah yeah and if you guys want to reach out directly to chad um a tic-tok's future go find him on tic-tok but there's also the website alex is not missing dot com yeah which is a good place to start the best way to reach me is by telegram on the website there's a telegram link that says join telegram group yeah i think that link by the way if i'm not mistaken is on the bottom of the website right well the one of the

bottom was broken. It went to Facebook. We fixed that. There's one at the very top. It's like the second link at the top of the page. And we fixed the one at the bottom too. Okay, cool. All right. Well, Chad, listen, man, it's been amazing. I think that, I don't know, I have faith. I have faith that our podcast will solve your stuff. I do too.

And we'll get some, we'll get the right people involved in this. It sounds weird, though. I mean, this whole thing sounds very strange. As far as the problem we have is it's so strange that people look at the cover, they're like, there's no way it's true. The dude's crazy. But anybody who looks at it, I mean, I have trolls on TikTok to come to my

lives and they troll me. I'm like, dude, just go to my pin videos. They come back and they apologize to me. Do you know what it's like to get 14-year-old Roblox players to apologize to you? Oh, no, I'm sure. Yeah. I've played games before. Them little assholes. Them little 14-year-olds. I mean, that's how convincing the evidence is. I know that if you look at the cover of my book, man, it's crazy. But sometimes crazy is also true. Yeah, absolutely. Well, I mean, dude, trust me, oftentimes in this day and age, crazy is most often true, which is weird. But even crazier stuff happens in normal day life now that we call normal, right?

So it is very strange what this world has become. And I think this is just yet another example of how backwards and ass, backwards, everything is. But I do believe hopefully our podcast can make a difference in this. And hopefully our listeners can help you and get this thing out. We will definitely have hopefully soon a part two and where we can elaborate on this little more. We'll try to get our CIA guy to see if maybe he can talk about this and offer his opinion or an attorney, either one, that we can have. But we're definitely willing

to help you any way we can because it sounds very strange. Obviously, your child's not in danger. He's 27 years old right now. And yet you're screwed. Has his own family. Yeah. So it's nuts. Well, Chad, thanks for coming on. We really, really appreciate it. And we're going to have you back on very soon. And like I said, guys, go check out Chad TikTok. Go check out Alexisnotmissing.com. All of those platforms you can find out more information about this. Chad, thank you so much.

And we wish you the very, very best. But we're going to have you back on very soon. Awesome. All right, Chad, thanks. Thanks. like a drug I am sweeter than summer wine my mind just to keep this moment till the end of time