Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Trump & RFK Jr 2024 with Nathan Jones | Make America Healthy Again

Episode Date: September 7, 2024

In this episode, we’re excited to welcome Xlear founder Nathan Jones to dive into the groundbreaking alliance between RFK Jr. and the Trump team for 2024. How significant could this partnership be for the future of the country? Will a Trump-RFK Jr. administration finally take on pharmaceutical giants and big food corporations to hold them accountable for widespread corruption? Join us as we explore the potential impact of this powerful collaboration. All of this and more on this episode of Trump & RFK Jr 2024 with Nathan Jones | Make America Healthy Again

Hello and welcome to Investigator podcast. I'm your host chat alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. On tonight's episode, we're going to be talking a little bit about Trump and RFK and J.D. Vance. More specifically, what does RFK join in Trump's team really mean for the Trump camp and mean if Trump does win presidency in 2024? And we are joined by a very, very special guest, good friend of the show, Nathan Jones from Clear. Nathan, how's it going?

Going great. I'm just wondering why I didn't get introduced as being beautiful also. My bad. My bad. You know, I got to do it because I don't live with you, therefore, I don't really have to say you're beautiful. Right, babe? That's right. Cherries, I'll kill you.

You say that one more one more time. I get the beautiful because you didn't say my name on Alex Jones. Oh, there it is. Well, you weren't the one calling me. That is true. That's what Chad said. You were the one texting you. Chad was.

Exactly. Well, give me your number so I could text you. Yeah. So for those that don't know, actually, Nathan was on Alex Jones show yesterday. He had pretty much a full hour. Him and his dad, Lon Jones, were on there to talk about specifically his lawsuit and kind of everything that went on with that. First, Nathan, tell me how was the Alex Jones show? I mean, you look like you were having a good time.

Yeah. And how was Alex personally? was he cool or was he a jerk or what? He was absolutely just phenomenally nice. Like I could not say he was nicer. His staff was nice. I mean, we came in and they're like, can we get you water? Can we get you this?

I mean, I asked him to print some stuff out. They're like printing it out. We went and had a conversation with him. We sat down with my dad and chatted. And, you know, Alex came in, shook my hand. I mean, it was absolutely a class act. seems like the nicest guy in the world. He's absolutely nice.

Yeah. And for those that want to actually watch that show in this entirety, it is yesterday's show September the 4th. And Nathan is on specifically the last hour of the Alex Jones show before the other host takes over. So today what we're going to be talking about is specifically RFK and Trump. Nathan, I just want to first start with this. What did you think when RFK came out to endorse Donald Trump? and did you expect that to happen? And obviously there's a lot of talk out there as well.

People are questioning whether or not Trump really picked the right vice president candidate or should he have picked RFK. Well, so to answer the first question, I kind of did expect it. And I'd been kind of expecting it for probably two months, actually. And the reason why is just you pay attention. and, you know, I know a number of people in the political space that are paying attention to what's going on there. And you can see how, you know, the polls are going. You can see what the Democrat Party is doing.

I mean, as RFK, as Robert Kennedy called out, the Democrat Party was actually doing everything they could to keep them off the ballot in a lot of these states. and once he left the Democrat party that you know the Democrat party and started running as an independent the writing was kind of on the wall that if he didn't get a good solid you know 30 40 percent then he would be joining with Trump because that's kind of kind of what you would think and and I'm actually excited for it I think there's a lot of great possibilities um so I'm I'm excited for but you'd ask two questions What was the second question? I just answered the first one.

Well, the question is, I mean, do you think that Trump made the right choice in J.D. Vance or should he have maybe went after RFK a little harder on the vice president pick? No, no, absolutely not. And not even, no, I would not like RFK as a vice president. I would like RFK to have a position in his cabinet where he can actually be effective. the vice president unless the president dies is really an ancillary role that's really what it is they give them some some jobs to do and they go do them lesser calm but that's but that's really what their job is and so if you put him in there you take him out of being in a position where he can effectively

go and do and manage some of these other things i mean there's a lot of places where i would like to see him i think he's not a doctor but i would like to see him or or or or or Peter McCullough is as a surgeon general. Yeah. You know, that is America's doctor. And in order to keep America healthy and make America healthy like they're saying, I don't think you have to be a doctor. In fact, to be honest, I think being a doctor is actually a negative. Yeah.

Because public health, you know, and I mentioned this a little bit yesterday with Alex Jones, public health should not be run by doctors. Doctors are educated to pharmaceuticals. If we want to make America healthy, you've got to pull back and you've got to get outside of that pharmaceutical education and go back and focus on health care and, you know, public health and how that manages in health care. You've got to go back and focus on nutrition, exercise, sanitation, public sanitation, and personal hygiene. Doctors don't know anything about that. They really don't. They're not educated. You go look at the curriculum in the medical schools.

They're not teaching that. No way. Now, it's always so interesting, like when I've been to doctors before and I've asked him something that is kind of new and cutting or about a specific vitamin or whatever the natural remedy or treatment may be for something, most of the time doctors are going to have no idea what the hell you're talking about. And even if they do know what you're talking about, they're not going to go that route because I believe their hands are tied behind their back.

Obviously, we saw it during COVID when you had anybody that came out against the narrative and that actually wanted to help someone and had these protocols that would work like McCola and like Pierre, Corey, and like all the other doctors. And you saw what happened in them. They either got their license threatened. They had, you know, were threatened to be fired from whatever health care system they were in. You name it. It was complete government control. And I think this only gotten worse.

Now, what do you think? And I know this is kind of a big question. off the top, but what do you think would be the biggest advantage to have an RFK on the Trump or in the Trump cabinet as far as the health of Americans? Well, I think that what you have is you have a lawyer that is in there that is willing to fight for what is right, for what is going to actually work. He has been in the industry. He's been out there fighting it from the outside.

and doing the best that he can. I mean, his, what's the name of these organization? Does this start with RFK? Yeah, but he has one where they go after and they fight for, you know, to clean up the waterways and all of this. They also have the one with the vaccine, you know, where they're pushing. And this is something I think we should clarify up front because a lot of people think that RFK is an anti-vaxxer and he's not.

if you really listen to what he says, not what the media says he says, but what he says, is that he thinks that the vaccine companies, the pharmaceutical companies, that they should be held accountable for the injuries from their vaccines, that they should be held accountable for their products, and they should be responsible to safety test them and efficacy test them, like every other drug, because he's explained this over and over. they're not. In 1984, when they passed, and this was Reagan, when they passed the law that said that the vaccines don't have any liability, you know, that they're safe and effective and everybody should go and get them, it took all that away. And when you don't, when you have, when you have carte blanche to go out and do stuff without any repercussion, without any liability, you're going to cut all the corners you want. Yeah, why wouldn't you?

Because they can't come back at you. And so really what RFK is trying to do is he's trying to just take, he would like to see that law repealed. So if you can go into a courtroom and show that a vaccine injured you, the company that made the vaccine is responsible, not the U.S. government. Yeah. Well, I mean, so how does that kind of compare with emergency use authorization, right? So I don't know if you saw this recently, but they have another COVID shot that just got emergency use authorized. again, for a different type of COVID vaccine as well. So they're still doing this.

And it almost seems like maybe they're setting this emergency use authorization process up for future vaccines to where they can even be more protected. But to what you're saying is, is there a difference in emergency use authorization and then also the liability factor of vaccine manufacturers? I have no idea how they're doing that because that's completely illegal. you cannot have an emergency use authorization granted. I mean, let me go back and say this correctly. It is completely illegal. But under normal circumstances and following the law, in order for you to have an emergency use authorization,

you have to have a medical emergency declared. We don't have a medical emergency declared right now. Yeah. So if there's no medical emergency, then how can they give you an emergency use authorization? True. So I don't know what they're doing. I mean, I do understand that the bureaucrats and the government have zero regard for the law.

I mean, I'm seeing that myself. They're suing me. They have zero regard for what they're doing. Absolutely. No, I agree. I wanted to get to this. Here's some areas of agreement between Trump and RFK. So both Trump and RFK have expressed skepticism towards vaccines,

though in different ways. RFK Jr. has been long a outspoken critic of vaccines, particularly regarding their safety and the influence of pharmaceutical companies. Trump has questioned vaccine safety in the past and expressed doubts about mandatory vaccine policies, especially during the COVID-19 pandemic. But we have to go back for just a second because I think that during COVID-19, one of the biggest, I guess, skepticism as far as Trump's team goes, is the fact that they can just let these guys steam roll the Trump administration and do whatever they wanted to do.

We're talking about Burke. We're talking about Dr. Anthony Falchie. We're talking about the lockdowns that did happen under his administration. And so, you know, that was a huge thing where so many Trump supporters are like, look, I like Trump, but I definitely do not like how the vaccine rollout happened under Trump's administration, which is, and, you know, keeping in mind, I don't know that he has still went back on how it happened during his administration, the first rollout. What did you see kind of happening there?

And how will RFK help that scenario? I mean, I agree. I think that is a good question. I think that Trump should come out and acknowledge because this is what I think happened. And I don't know. I don't have a, you know, a neural link into Trump's brain. but this is what I think happened is that Trump, when he was president, that last year, we had this virus come out.

And like I've said many times, whether it was a lab leak, whether it was intentional, whether it was man-designed, whether it came from somewhere else, whatever it was, there was something. And I think that Trump did what an educated person would do. if you have no expertise in that field, which he doesn't. And he, you know, well, I'm the president. I, you know, he steps back and he listens. He should.

This is what, this is what you expect a president to do is you listen to your advisors. He should have stepped back. He should have listened to the Surgeon General. He should have listened to Berks. He should have listened to Fauci. The problem is, is that every single one of them, as we now know, is completely corrupt. Absolutely. Okay. So if your advisors are corrupt, then he's going to get bad advice. And that's exactly what he got. And I think that there were points in there where he kept trying to come up and say, I disagree with you and everybody mocked him.

Yep, exactly. Especially when he got COVID. He went through and got the other treatments that were available and he was fine in two days. Yeah. I mean, there's all kinds of things out there. But his advisors, I think, he trusted his advisors like an educated leader would. Yeah. So he's really not involved. When you go and you fight a war, the president isn't the one calling the shots. The generals are. You know, I mean, and I know this might sound horrible because, you know, but if you pull up the whole thing about our withdrawal from Afghanistan,

I think that the Republicans, when they go after Joe Biden, there's a couple of them where they go after Joe Biden and say it's his fault. But it's not his fault and it's not Trump's fault. Okay? Because Trump set it up and said, okay, we're going to be out of here. This is the day we're going to be out of here and we're going to get out. We've got to get out of this forever. So Trump sets it up.

Biden comes in and, you know, the generals, the generals knew this was going to happen. But the generals should have actually planned for it. They should have taken the equipment out. They should have been withdrawing it. And they didn't. And the thing that I hold against Biden for that was, again, he didn't fire the generals that botched everything up. Trump should have fired Fauci. He should have fired Berks.

He should have fired all of those people. And one of the issues that we have in our country is that our people in the government, it's incredibly hard to fire people that work in the government. And we need to change that. Yeah, absolutely. The second thing, too, is their distrust of establishment of the deep state, right? So both RFK and Donald Trump both absolutely distrust the deep state. Both share a deep distrust of government bureaucracy, which is what they describe as the deep state, which is absolutely the deep state. RFK Jr. has focused his concern on agencies like the FDA and CDC, while Trump has railed against FBI, DOJ, and the intelligence communities accusing them of conspiring against the FBI, DOJ, and the intelligence communities accusing them of conspiring against the. presidency. Now, when we talk a little bit about RFK and Trump and how kind of big this is,

you know, there are key similarities in hostilities between JFK and Donald Trump. And I don't know if you've ever thought about this, but, you know, John F. Kennedy and Donald Trump share very key similarities in how they viewed and their suspicion at times outright hostility by elements of the U.S. intelligence agencies. Number one, the distrust of intelligence agencies. his JFK during his presidency distrusted the CIA. He was deeply critical of his operations. He famously clashed with the agency over the Bay of Pigs invasion in 1961, which was a disastrous attempt to overthrow Fidel Castro in Cuba. Afterward Kennedy was reportedly furious with the CIA, Phil and he had been misled and poorly advised.

He famously stated his desire to splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds. That is what JFK himself said. Trump had obviously had a rocket. relationship with intelligence agencies, particularly during his presidency, where he repeatedly questioned their credibility, most notably rejecting their findings on Russian interference in 2016 election, which we know was complete faults and BS, which then we saw a part of a broader effort to delegitimize his victory. He accused agencies like the FBI and CIA of being part of a deep state conspiracy against

him, particularly during the Russia investigation led by Special Counsel Robert Mee. Mueller. So obviously we see some key similarities between JFK and Trump, and we'll get into a little more of those in just a minute. But when we talk about the distrust of the deep state, how does RFK and Trump teaming up? Is this going to make a difference in bureaucracy and the deep state? And how do both of them kind of work together on that? Well, I hope it does because going back, you know, 10 years, I completely trusted. that our government was actually doing a good job. And I will disagree with RFK on this topic

because he actually has come out and said that he thinks, that he believes that government employees are in there, they're doing their job, they're just doing what they're told. And that's it. Yeah, I don't believe that. And I would have agreed with that 10 years ago, but I have seen the inside workings of it now in a firsthand basis. And I know that that isn't true.

I know that you have evil people. And by evil, I don't mean, you know, they're walking around in devil hats. But what I mean by evil is even when people are dying, they are going to hang to their lives. And I'll give you a good example in my personal case. You know, we've discussed this. The government is suing me. The FTC is suing me because we were sharing studies showing that just, washing out your nose, whether you use saline, whether you use our nasal spray, the clear nasal

spray, whether you use nitric oxide, you know, I mentioned a bunch of them. Any of those would have helped reduce COVID. And the FTC sent us a warning letter. They sent everybody else a warning letter, and then they sued us. They might have sent the warning letter and, you know, and said, well, okay. But what happens is, and this is the difference between indifferent and, you know, laissez-faire bureaucrats and evil bureaucrats. and evil bureaucrats. We sent them all the data, and they continued to come after us out of pride, because they have to understand that the data says that it works.

The data all says it works. There's no data saying that it doesn't work. But they don't want to have to come back and say, well, you know what? We were wrong. We're sorry. We're wrong. You're right. The saline works.

All these studies are right. And that is evil because they're hanging on pride. People are continuing to die. Even to this day, they're still dying. Okay. But I'm, you know, you go back and I agree that the CIA, I agree that the FBI are in there in the deep state. And, you know, you and I have had these discussions. And, you know, I'll bring up these name here. But I read on substack, which is kind of like rumble for people who write about Joe Lang. And if, if you ever want to read something that explains the world that we live in better than anything else. I've ever read, it's Jo Laine. But he explains the whole thing about how the CIA, why they killed Kennedy, the reason for it, and everything working all the way up to today, and how all of that is tied into these wars,

you know, the war in the Middle East, the war in Ukraine, everywhere. Even the Iran-Contra, where they were running guns down to the Central American countries and sending, I mean, all of this. It's all tied into the same thing because the same thing. because the CIA wants to control everything. That is the head of the deep state. And I think they do.

Yeah, and I think they do. And the crazy thing is, though, I mean, when we talk about these, these, you know, personal employees that are within these agencies, as potentially being evil

or at least having some type of ideology, obviously, I believe they have an ideology. I believe, and this is my opinion, that during COVID, you know, number one,

I think it was released on purpose. for whatever the for whatever those purposes were whether was it was it to be to control to gain more control to to maybe for population control we don't know but going right back to your point all of these um methods of that could have saved thousands if not millions of lives during COVID 19 they blocked they stopped what I mean do you not see that or do you not feel like I guess especially since you're in a lawsuit with a product that do you believed worked and so did many other people. I know many of our listeners also believe worked.

Do you not believe, though, that this was intentionally blocked, like products like yours, like ivermectin, like hydroxycorquine, that's not by accident. I mean, I really don't think it was protocol. 100% it wasn't by accident. Yeah, I don't think it was protocol that they said, hey, look, guys, you know, these nasal sprays may not be safe for people. Ivermectin may not be safe, although Ivermectin is one of the safest One of the safest drugs ever prescribed in the history of the world.

So it was obvious. Well, first of all, Ivermectin isn't really a drug. It's really a probiotic. Yeah. They're a prebiotic, not a probiotic, a prebiotic. But to go back to that, you know, the CIA and our government use crisis. They have to create a crisis. And in early 2020, there were a lot of doctors.

What's the name? I can't remember the, he was like, I don't know. know if it was a Hasidic Jewish person, a doctor up in New York. I mean, he died a couple of, like two years ago. Zelensky. But within, within weeks, he had a protocol that he tried to share with President Trump. President Trump, that's where the whole hydroxychloroquine thing came from. And of course, that was, no, no, no. Because if you can solve the crisis, the intelligence agencies, the deep state, they don't have the ability to go in and benefit from the crisis. Never let a good crisis go to waste.

Yeah. Yeah, because that's when people were teasing him about taking bleach or whatever, and he was talking about the other stuff. Yeah, he was, well, he was actually not even saying that. He was, you know, what they said was, oh, yeah, you can inject yourself with Lysol or bleach and you'll be fine. That's not at all what Trump said, but of course, the media. Yeah, the media wanted to run with that.

I also want to get to something else. JFK's, you know, his foreign policy is also very similar or was similar to Trump's, right? So particularly his interest in avoiding a full-scale war with the Soviet Union. And JFK wanted to negotiate peace, you know, e.g. the Cuban Missile Crisis. And that put him at odds with the hawkish elements within the CIA and military. Some in the intelligence and military communities felt that Kennedy was too soft on communism and not aggressive enough in asserting American power. And so his push to detent or to kind of soften relations with the USSR and his desire

to withdraw U.S. involvement from Vietnam also alienated many of the national security establishment from JFK. And so then you also start seeing that Trump under his administration in his first term where he actually had a decent relationship with Putin. He had a decent relationship with Kim Jong-un. He wanted to develop these relationships with world leaders, especially the very dangerous world leaders that had nuclear warheads. And so you have both of these people.

One, JFK was assassinated, I believe, by the CIA. And I also probably believe that Trump's attempted assassination was also maybe planned or coordinated by some intelligence agency. I think there is more and more and more evidence coming out every single day that shows that this kid, Thomas Crooks, had all kinds of elaborate accounts overseas. He had all types of things going on. I mean, we're talking about detonation devices. I believe that one of the police officers said when they had went into the house of Thomas Crooks, it was the cleanest house you would ever see in your life.

There was not even silverware in the kitchen in the drawers. There was no silverware to be found. It was like a house that was a model or show house that almost no one lived there. Not to mention this kid had a million dollar offshore bank account. How does a 20-year-old get a million dollars? and encrypted, by the way. So, you know, this whole thing. That actually sounds a lot like Oswald.

Yeah. You know, he had accounts set up overseas that they, you know, oh, well, yeah, you know, a couple hundred grand, which a couple hundred grand back then is a million now. But, yeah, that said, I mean, I didn't understand all of that about the crook, but it sounds a lot like Oswald. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So there are definitely major similarities. between JFK and Trump. And the reason I'm bringing this up is because obviously you have RFK that could be joining this administration and playing a key role in the health of Americans. And obviously, he was asked by Tucker Carlson on a recent interview what he would do if Trump did offer him to run the CIA. And RFK said, I absolutely would do that, right?

I mean, I have no problem. To run the CIA? Yeah, to run the CIA. So he was, Tucker Carlson. you're going to do shut it down? He's not a joke. Exactly. Yeah, but he said I would absolutely do it, you know, given obviously his family's history

and he believes the CIA killed, or at least I believe he believes, the CIA killed both his father and his uncle. But what happens? I think, I think, and then I'm bringing, I'm going to interrupt you right there because I watched that same thing with Tucker and RFK. And I agree with Tucker with something. was something that he says that he goes,

Mike Pompeo is a criminal. He was trying to kill Julian Assange. He was doing what he could to kill Assange without a trial, which in the United States, that's a criminal act. But he also came back and pleaded with Trump not to release all of the data on JFK and his murder, his assassination. The only reason why that would make sense is because he was running

the CIA. And if it comes out that the CIA was implicit that they were the ones doing it, then that's going to, it really will. And I agree, if that comes out in the media, it will rock the United States to its core. It really will. Because even the left wing Democrats that don't want to believe this are going, they're going to have to believe it if the government comes out and says, hey, yeah, we killed Kennedy. It was a coup. And you know what? The CIA's been running the country since then. All of the presidents since then, except for Reagan, were CIA handpicked by the CIA, and we managed to get George H.W. Bush, who was the CIA director, and there to babysit Reagan and take us through the, you know, deregulation of the bank and NAFTA,

which allowed us to steal a bunch of money from the banks and to import guns and everything and drugs to sell them, because that's how they finance all their illicit activities. And isn't it interesting... I agree with Tucker Carlson, Mike Pompeo is probably a criminal for all of the stuff that he's done. But isn't it interesting, every president that we've had that had been attempted to have an assassination on them, have been against the CIA. If you think, if you go back in history, every president that was not with the CIA

and wanted to kind of drain the CIA and get rid of them, they had attempts on their lives. or they were killed. Well, I don't know that Reagan ever came out against the CIA. I don't know what he did. I'm not saying that he did or didn't. I'm just saying I don't know that he did. I mean, his actual, do you know who his first choice for vice president was? No.

I think I did. This is actually an interesting story is that he, Ronald Reagan, was not choosing George Bush. He didn't like George Bush. and his wife didn't like George Bush's wife. There was a lot of animosity there. I don't know what the animosity was caused, but he was actually, this is interesting, true story, go look it up. It's on Google. It's got to be true. No, I'm kidding.

Yeah. But his first choice for vice president was actually Gerald Ford, who had already been the vice president and already been a president. And by the way, he was trying to convince Gerald Ford. who had already been a vice president and the president to come back and be his vice president. Yeah, so to your answer to that, Reagan's relationship with the CIA, he had a deep support for the CIA during the Cold War. He had, under Reagan, the CIA, was heavily involved in operations such as supporting the Contras in Nicaragua and in Afghanistan. Reagan's policies expanded the agency's role in combating communist movements worldwide, aligning with overall foreign policy agendas.

Now, they did have tension over the Iran-Contra affair. The major point of tension between Reagan and the CIA came after the Iran-Contra affair in the mid-1980s, which we were just talking about. And the scandal, senior officials in Reagan's administration were found to have secretly facilitated the cell of arms to Iran despite an arms embargo in order to fund the Contras, an anti-communist rebel group in Nicaragua. The CIA, which was deeply involved in supporting the Contras, came under intense scrutiny during the subsequent investigation CIA director William Casey was a close ally of Reagan,

but the agency's involvement in Iran-Contra led to significant controversy. Casey's hospitalization and eventual death from a brain tumor before he could testify, left many questions unanswered. Yeah, I'm sure it was a brain tumor, aka like a bullet that, you know. Anyways, while Reagan never directly blamed the CIA, he expressed frustration over to fallout from the scandal, particularly as the agency's actions and lack of oversight contributed. So sounds like he was mostly on board with CIA.

I, Reagan was. Can I put something in there? Yeah, go ahead. I'm going to say again, I encourage anybody who's listening, go read Joe Lang on Substack, because he talks about all of this in some of the writings that he does. And when you talk about senior officials and Reagan getting pissed off, he accepted responsibility because he's the president. It's the buck stops here. He is the one in charge of it. Yeah. But he was totally pissed off. because the senior officials, and by senior officials, we mean H.W. Bush, who was still running the CIA as the vice president because he had just been the director of the CIA. He was in charge of all of this. In fact, it's kind of, I'm trying to remember where it was off the top of my head.

I didn't know we were going to go this far into the weeds on this. But when the pilot was shot down in the start of the whole Iran-Contra thing, the first person he called, was nobody other than George H.W. Bush as the vice president of the United States. That was his first phone call. That's true. Which, by the way, was George H.W. Bus, was he CIA director before this? Absolutely. Okay. Yeah. So, so then he became vice president.

He worked at the CIA even before Kennedy was killed. I mean, if you listen, if you read Joe Lang, he makes a very loose argument. I'm not even saying he goes there. Yeah. But he makes a very loose argument that George H.W. Bush was part of the team that assassinated Kennedy. But also keep in mind, Nathan, you know how it's kind of loosely asserted that, you know, for example, I think someone had said the other day when they asked Trump about the JFK files. And he said, I don't see why we couldn't, you know, release these files.

I think it was on an interview potentially with, was it, I can't remember who it was. But either way, Trump said, hey, yeah, I think that, you know, we should be able to release these files. Trump also talked about potentially releasing the Epstein client list. But there was something specific that Trump said, and he said, you know, I think most of the people that were involved in JFK's assassination are probably dead now. And so this is, in my opinion, Trump and others, by the way, have said the same or similar thing. Others have said this, basically saying that there were someone involved in the government. and most all of them are dead. But we don't know that for sure.

Keep in mind. Well, you know what pisses me off? Why do we have to wait until they're dead? If people in our government were involved in killing a president, involved in a coup, okay, why do we have to wait until they're dead to release the information on them? That's the point.

I mean, that's what's so crooked about this. But you've got to think about George H.W. Bush, the I. Director at one point in time and then, you know, thinking about his little boy. George W. Yeah, and just think, you know, Trump.

Hey, not just, not just the one. Yeah, both of them. But you go and read about it. And he had three or four other kids and they were all working in the banks and and given their buddies multimillion dollar, $100 million loans that were later covered by the FDIC insurance program. And they all walked away Scott Free. And isn't it interesting that George W. Bush, right? George W., he just happened to be the president during 9-11, not going to go into.

that on this episode, but at the very least, we know that George W. freaking hates Trump. I mean, he is more friends with Clintons than he is with Trump, by far. And if you're someone that is a Republican president that lived through 9-11

and was part of what we went through as a country during that time when supposedly these terrorists out of nowhere attacked or was able to, you know, take over these airliners, hit buildings, Building 7 just miraculously, demolishes itself, you know, because that happened, just like people kill themselves as well,

although they don't under some of these people. But you got to think about this is, I think the lineage of power and corruption is a lot deeper than we've ever known. I mean, I used to, I used to be a supporter of George W. Bush because we didn't know any better. And, you know, I look back on that and I'm like, yeah, George W. was a great president, you know, and he's a Republican. in and, you know, these are all the things that I really liked a lot of things about George W. Bush. But I think when you start thinking back and especially looking at kind of how George W.

and other presidents like that, look at Trump now and look at the movement, which is pro-America, anti-war, anti-military industrial complex, anti-pharmaceutical complex, anti-all these things. And you look back, it's not just Democrats that are corrupt. It's not just Democrats that are highly in the pockets of the CIA. it is both parties, and I think that completely proves it. And I also think, look, the reason why JFK files have not been released because I think that there has been a large, massive push or, I guess, program or undercover thing to cover it up even beyond who may have been directly involved at the time. I think there have been people in our government that has been directly involved in keeping that covered up, which will also potentially expose them as well, if that makes any sense. And I want to throw something out there because you bring up your support for W.

Used to. W. Used to. So in 2001, I'm trying to remember the dates so that I have the rights, the day's right. But I happen to be in Australia in, in, gosh, this is so long ago. I mean, we're talking about a quarter of a century ago. I'm starting to sound like I'm old. but I was down there for a group, and it's called the Young Entrepreneurs Group,

is what it used to be called. Now they've changed your name to like the young something or another. But I was down there for a meeting, and they set up a breakfast meeting. And this was before the war in Iraq started, before the U.S. went into Iraq in, I want to say 2021, 2021, sorry. we were sitting down there and we were having breakfast and this guy and i can't remember his name but they called him the boy from bondine bondi is a little community outside it's a beach community outside of of sydney kind of like you know newport beach is outside of l.a and whatnot but they called the boy from bondi and he was the u.n weapons inspector in iraq and we were having breakfast and he was in there

and he was talking to all of these these young business owners and i think he had to be under 40 so it was a bunch of young people from all over the world, not just the U.S., but from all over the world. And he was talking to us, and he kind of just said, he goes, I've been there. We've inspected it. Iraq doesn't have any weapons. They don't have weapons of mass destruction. The U.S. wants a war. They are going to have a war, and I guarantee you it's going to start in the next two weeks,

but it's a completely illegitimate war. They don't have any weapons. they might have some chemical weapons there but other than that there's nothing and when i came home from that i was like this is absurd how can i believe this guy and i went and i looked up a book and the book was by paul what was he's last name he was he was bush's first secretary that paul o'neal and the name of the book is called the price of loyalty and paul o'neill actually describes in that that even before nine eleven okay But four nine eleven, Paul O'Neill, when George Bush was elected president, he had Paul O'Neill come in and be the secretary of the treasury.

And you can go look this up. The book, again, it's called The Price of Loyalty or the Cost of Loyalty or something by like that from Paul O'Neill. But I read that book. And in that book, he says, yes, before the war started, the very first meeting that I had with the president after I accepted the position, the very first thing he said is, find a way. to finance a war to go into Iraq. Yeah. There wasn't a war. 9-11 hadn't happened.

Nothing else had happened. Find a way to go into war to go into Iraq. And that's true because, I mean, this is what we do, right? If there's not a war happening, which you had said something to me the other day on a phone call or a couple other phone calls where we're talking about, you know, the last actual war that probably even made any sense was the civil war, right? I mean, unless you want to talk about. Well, hang on. I don't know that I want to say that made sense because we've been in a number of wars that have made sense. But the last one that we got legitimately into at the time.

And our government was being honest with us was probably the civil war. And, you know, you can go back, you know, go back to, you know, all the wars in the Middle East. We got into those because of 9-11, which, yeah, that was an inside job. That was our own government, you know, doing it. Okay. Then you go back before that and you had the Vietnam War, the whole Gulf of Tonkin incident, which got us into the war, which is how Kennedy, as you were talking about,

we were trying to pull out of that, get out of that. They killed him. But the whole Gulf of Tonkin thing, they've admitted was a CIA, you know, yeah, it never happened. Then you go back, and the Korean War wasn't really a war. it was a police action by the UN, we were just the biggest component. But World War II, we got into World War II because of Pearl Harbor. But our government, they knew about Pearl Harbor.

They 100% knew about it. Yeah. They took all of the carriers out of Pearl Harbor. No carriers were there. How often is it that carriers go out to sea and they don't take any protected fleet? They don't take destroyers. They don't take battleships. They don't even take their aircraft.

They just go out to sea because those were the ships that we were going to need. This reminds me of something, Nathan. And we were thinking about doing an episode on the Georgia school shooting that just happened. I don't know if you heard about this in Georgia. I was sitting at the desk with Alex Jones watching with him, commenting on it. Yeah. And the interesting thing about this is, you know, what we're hearing from that particular case is that he was begging begging for help leading up to this.

Very normal kid about a year ago, year and a half ago. There were multiple scenarios where there were people that were calling in saying that shooting was going to happen. I think he himself had talked about this, had a manifesto, posted on social media, basically was crying out for help saying, I'm going to do this.

I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. And I think even local police showed up his house at one point in time. You know, FBI basically gave it to local police. He said, whatever, do whatever. We don't really care. And it just seems like at the very least, I think that things in some cases may be ignored because it may help the greater benefit of either political parties or intelligence agencies or wartime scenarios. I'm not saying this happened in Georgia at all.

But I am just saying that obviously it had to happen at an opportune time very similar to Pearl Harbor, very similar to Gulf of Tonkin, very similar even in my mind. And I don't, I hate even getting in this. But, you know, we often go back into did Israel know about the October 7th attack before it happened? Well, according to Jerusalem, they did. Right. So that doesn't necessarily take away the fact that the Hamas did do what they did in Israel. But at the very least, if you can prevent something from happening and choose not to do so, then in my mind, you're just as complicit. And it reminds me and goes back to 9-11.

You know, 9-11, I believe 100% we knew. for sure that was going to happen. We even had handlers that were that were communicating with some of the terrorists. We know that now. Yeah, we do. And yet we allow that. I think the best, the best. And yes, I don't want to bring this up like I'm like, hey, Alex Jones.

You know, my favorite Alex Jones episode, which I wasn't watching it back then, but my favorite Alex Jones episode was from what was it four months before 9-11. 9-11, yeah. where, I mean, if you haven't seen it, and I'm saying this to all the listeners out there, if you haven't watched this or listen to it, you need to go look it up because Alex Jones, I think it was June or July of 2001. He, I mean, this is one of these most famous episodes, but he actually came out and he said, no, you're going to have some people. They're going to fly the jets into the world trade centers. They're going to blame it on the Muslims. They're going to blame it on the Arabs.

They're going to blame it on. I don't know if he said Osama bin Laden direct. but I think he did actually. Yeah, he was predicting. Yeah, no, he did say Osama. Yeah, he did for sure. Okay. Well, then it's their fault and it's their fault and they're going to do this and we're

going to start a war about it. And I hate to bring up the Joe Lang. I brought it up a couple of times, but go read what he talks about because he points out and what he says in his writings is that we, the United States, in order for our CIA and our industrial complex, our military industrial complex, our military industrial complex to be able to justify their existence. We have to have a boogeyman. We have to have a boogeyman.

And when we don't have a boogeyman, there's not a reason for it. And during the Cold Cold War, after World War II, all the way up until the late 80s, 90s, we have the USSR, the Soviet Union. They were the boogeyman. And so we could justify spending the money. We could justify, you know, all of this. when Reagan was put in and that started to thaw, they realized they had to do something else.

And so whether they do, they go around. I mean, go back before the 80s, okay? Very little, very little terrorism. You know, we didn't have the extremists coming out of the Middle East that we have today. You had a little bit of, you had a tiny bit. Well, that goes back to the CIA because the CIA invented a lot of the terrorists. Yeah, exactly. That's exactly where I'm going with it.

And this is not me saying this. This is what I get from the writings of Joe Lang is that the CIA went over there. They had to create a boogeyman. And if you listen to what Tucker Carlson and Putin said, Putin, when he was first elected and Bill Clinton was president, they were meeting. And I believe it was in Helsinki. I don't remember where. But I think it was Helsinki. they actually had a meeting and Putin came in and said, hey, we would like to join NATO.

Russia, we would like to join NATO and become part of the Western sphere and join you. Bill Clinton was like, well, okay, that sounds great. And this, and so let me go back of it. This is in response to, to, oh, gosh, what's his name? Not Putin, but the other one, the interviewer. Tucker? Tucker, sorry, Tucker, if you're listening to. But this is in response to Tucker's question, who's running the U.N.

I, who do you think is running the United States government? Because we know it's not Joe Biden. And Putin came back and said, well, I don't know. You know, it's been a while. When I was, you know, over there, I was talking with Bill Clinton. And I said, I would like to join NATO. Can Russia join NATO? And Bill Clinton said, well, you know, let me, I'm not going to see a problem with it.

You know, if you have a whole NATO alliance that is built and the whole foundation is to counteract Russia. And then Russia comes and says, hey, we want to join your alliance. Wouldn't that be the best thing in the world? Yeah. And by the way, what I would think, what Nathan's saying is Putin claimed during this interview that he had asked Clinton, how the United States would react to the idea of Russia joining NATO? And according to Putin, Clinton seemed open to the discussion, but other American officials and members of NATO were less receptive. Putin had used this story to illustrate that. I was actually going to come in and say that.

Yeah. Yeah. And they were like, hell, no, he's not coming in and doing this. Yeah. And that's exactly it. Yeah, because that's our enemy. But we always have to have some kind of enemy. We have to have war because that's how we make money. You have to follow the money.

And you've got to have disease as well. Yeah. And that's the same with disease. You have to follow the money. And that comes back. But let's go back to that disease thing because, you know, that's what we started our conversation on. And, you know, I've only got about how. half an hour and I got to go pick up my kids from school. But coming back to that full circle,

the biggest boogeyman that we have today is a virus. It is a bacteria. And, you know, when, when what's his name, Eisenhower said, you know, beware of the industrial military complex. He was thinking about it as a wartime thing. But our country spends three percent of our GDP on military. We spend almost 20%. It's like 18 and a half percent or something on health care. So if you really wanted to be grifting and, you know, stealing money from a society, do you take it from where the 3% is or do you take it from where the 20% is? Do you take it from where, you know, hey, we're out here killing people with 3% of the budget or, hey, we're in here trying to make America healthy. We're to the hospitals. We're the doctors. We're the insurance companies. We're the

pharmaceutical companies. We're here making America. We're here to keep you healthy. We're doing a really crappy job. And we're spending twice as much as the rest of the world. But this is what we're doing. It goes back to pharmaceuticals. Exactly. But that is where I think, and that is where I believe that RFK and Trump can make a difference. Okay. And Nathan, listen, hold on, while you're saying that, here is one thing that RFK and Trump disagree on. And tell me how this sounds to you when we're talking about health care. RFK Jr. advocates for universal health care and has supported policies that would expand government involvement in health care.

Now, he is particularly critical, obviously, a big pharma's role in health policy. But Trump, while opposing Obamacare and champion free market solutions, he did not. advocate for a universal health care system during his presidency and has largely supported private health care systems. And if you think about the situation in Canada, we actually have some of our listeners that listen and say that, you know, although we do have quote unquote free health care, it is a nightmare. It's terrible. So how are they going to, how are they going to kind of come to terms with universal health care

versus privatized health care? and how do you how do you make privatized health care not affordable well no no but well yeah affordable and also how do you make it not affordable i thought we were not affordable i thought we were not affordable sherry sure he meant but what i'm saying is i think the problem with privatized health care right now is that if you're going to make privatized health care good or great again as trump would say number one i think you have to get out the monopolies because i think that's what we are seeing and health care today is that it's yeah it may be privatized but it's being monopolized. I mean, you look at the state of South Carolina, you look at many states across the United

States, whereas it used to be a hospital system here, hospital system here. You had privatized doctors that were not a part of health care systems. And that was the best way because you had competition. But when you monopolize something, you take out competition and then you start, you know, extremely raising the prices. Even the insurance companies are kind of, you know, obviously they're going to. have to try to make because they're dirty too i mean uh you know insurance companies are dirty they're the dirtiest out there dirty bureaucrats as well but when you have a monopoly system of

health care and we we've seen that and it really expanded after covid 19 or during COVID 19 where you had these the bigger hospital systems would buy out the smaller hospital systems we're seeing this on a mass scale across the united states how do you make privatized health care good and could you ever make a universal health care good? You're asking a lot of big questions there, but there's nothing in America that ever made health care more expensive than the Affordable Care Act. Yeah. Nothing.

That's true. Okay. If you go back and you look at the statistics and the numbers, prior to the Affordable Care Act, Obamacare being enacted, we spent about 10 to 12 percent of our GDP on health care. And today we're spending almost 20. The rest of the world collectively spends about 7 to 8%, maybe 10 at the most. And so we're spending nearly double what the rest of the world spends. And most of that is being picked up by the insurance companies because we chose the most, you know, Obamacare chose the most inefficient way to do it. And I agree with Reagan in a point

because Reagan, you know, everybody loves him because he was a great communicator. He would work with other people. He would listen to people that he thought were experts. And they weren't always the best experts, kind of like Trump. But he actually was the one who gave us socialized medicine because he is the one who signed the bill that said that if someone walks into a hospital, they can't be turned down. They have to be treated. Which is good.

And, well, I'm not going to say that it's true. good. Because people don't have health insurance, they just go to the emergency room, anything, you know, if they have a cold or anything. Okay, but then this is where I'm going with it. I don't know that I would say that that's good. But what Reagan said is he said, I think this is a bad thing, but as a country, but as a Christian person and a Christian nation, we can't turn away people in their time

of need. And so we all agree with that. Okay. I think that even if you were a Christian and a Jewish person, a Muslim or a Buddhist or whatever, you probably would agree with that statement. And so the question is, is how do we fix that so that people, you can have basic health care that's approved. But yet, if you want to go in and have, you know, other surgery or other health care taken care of, you pay for. Okay.

And that's a very nebulous topic to get into. What about government subsidies, right? I mean, if you're subsidizing pharmaceutical companies. I hate subsidies. Well, but they are subsidizing pharmaceutical companies. They're doing all these various things to not only enrich the pharmaceutical companies, but they could subsidize either organizations, medical health care systems, or otherwise, to where these health care systems could offer.

actual health care to people that say are, you know, um, a low income earning people to where it's not necessarily a socialist movement, but yet you have, instead of sending billions of dollars to Ukraine or to Israel or somewhere else, you're subsidizing the medical industry to where you have this money put aside to where people that can afford health care actually can still have access to affordable and, and good and decent health care.

But I also think you should kind of go with the same. let me interrupt you right there. Yeah. Because I don't want you to go on, because you have a habit of doing this to this. You go on and you ask like four or five questions in a long run on question. Well, listen, Nick, that could be Alex Jones just, you know, Nathan, go ahead, talk for an hour. Well, I know. I was completely surprised by that.

But I believe that there has to be some sort of basic healthcare. Like if you break your arm and you go into the doctor or the hospital, they'll fix it. Okay. If you have something, you go in and do it. But what I think needs to be done is I think that our government needs to pull back money that they're spending on, and in my opinion, pissing away on medical research. Yeah. The money that they're subsidizing to, you know, I mean. Bio weapon labs, you mean?

Yeah, that too. But what were the two? gosh, what's the MRNRNA? Moderna. MRNA. Yeah. Moderna and Pfizer. Yeah.

So Moderna, who is flush with cash because they just had the best, you know, most exciting vaccine release in history and hundreds and billions and well, not hundreds of billions, but billions and billions and dollars were shoveled that way. So they're flush with cash. But the government just gave them $150 million to go and study and make a RSD. or some other vaccine, which is stupid. Why is the government need to give them money if they're flush with cats? They don't. And that's the problem is because they're coming up with all these vaccines for diseases that they're creating.

Just like, and it's just like monkeypox. But I think, and I believe that the government should provide some basic health care. But if you get cancer, I think that that isn't up to the government to cover. government cancer a lot of times is a lifestyle if someone's out there smoking why is it why am i supposed to be paying for you if you're the one that's out there smoking four packs a day actually i i i'm going to disagree on this nathan because i think the government is directly responsible for the massive increase in cancer that we have now so they really should be paying for that and we have cures with you on that and we have cures for cancer but we also have

cures for cancer that we're not using because it goes back to money. They want to make as much money as possible. And so that's what I'm trying to get to it. That's what I'm saying is public health. You need to pull the money back and actually have public health that is going out. And public health should be judged on their ability to keep society healthy. Okay. I don't think the government should be involved in helping people to get healthy again.

and I think the government should be involved in keeping people healthy. They shouldn't be out there publishing things that say that Lucky Charms are healthier for you than eggs and bacon. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I shared that with some people the other day and they did not believe that that was what the NIH had actually published. Oh, yeah. And I pulled it. Are you familiar with that? Oh, yeah.

Well, you're talking about the food pyramid, actually. Well, it's not the food pyramid, but it's the new and improved food pyramid from the NIH. Yeah, they created a food pyramid. here, man, where it says that Lucky Charms are more healthy for you than eggs and bacon. Well, and that goes with health care, too. You know, I think a lot of issues we have is they don't have preventative care either in a lot of insurances. I don't know about the insurance you know.

But, you know, like the insurance I used to have, you do. I could not go get a pat smear or my boobs looked at or anything without having to pay out the cash myself. And that's expensive. And she didn't have to pay me. Sherry, you just opened yourself. up for a whole bunch of shows. Yeah.

And I don't know if I need to go there. But I'm just saying preventative medicine, they need to work on as well. I have never charged her for that. I have friends that used to walk around door to door. I mean, I don't know if I should say this on your podcast. Oh, God. But I have friends. I have never done this.

But I have friends that used to meet girls. They'd walk around and say, yeah, we're with the local health department. We're here to check everybody's breast, make sure they don't have cancer. Oh, my God. We need to show you how to check for cancer, and this is how you massage the breast. Yeah, their last thing was upstein. But yeah, it's definitely, you know, I feel like a lot of... No, their last name. I'm not going to say their last name because they might listen to this.

Getting back to my point, though, I think we got to have more preventative stuff going on here, too. Yeah, for sure. Yes. And another thing, coming back, I mean, I'm trying to keep us on topic. We wanted to talk about RFK and Trump. but I think that if they're going to join forces to clean up this whole thing, one of the things they have to do is they have to start with the FDA and the FTC and the whole revolving door policy that they have. I think that they need to come back and just say, if you work for the FDA for

longer than 10 years, then when you quit, you cannot go work for a pharmaceutical company for five years. And if you're in a senior position, you can't. never go work for a pharmaceutical company. And I think that's absolutely imperative. I mean, the thing is, is that the way the pharmaceutical companies are working, they're not coming out and bribing, and I'm putting air quotes up, they're not coming out of bribing the government officials with a suitcase of cash. What they're coming in saying is, hey, you know what, if you approve this drug and

let it happen and let it slide through, We will hire you for four times what they're paying you in the government. And the best example of that, and I think we talked about this a couple of weeks ago, but the whole opioid crisis in America could have been averted if one person at the FDA, one regulator actually had the balls, had the backbone to stand up and say, no, you're wrong. and that guy's name is Curtis Wright. You can read it all about it. Just go Google his name.

It comes up. But he was the regulator at the FDA who came in and Purdue trying to get OxyContin approved. He was the regulator. And he kept turning them down saying, no, the data is not sufficient. No, this doesn't work. No, you guys are crazy. This stuff is addictive, blah, blah, blah. And there was a meeting, and this is all documented.

There was a meeting at a hotel in some town in Pennsylvania. and they sat and had a meeting and the next week the drug was approved. Yeah. No black box warning. Not only was it approved for people who were, you know, deathly, not deathly, what do they call it, terminal? Mm-hmm. It was approved for anybody. And they could use it for longer than three days.

And the doctors knew that it was addictive if you used it more than three or four days. But all of that was approved. And a couple of months later, Curtis Wright, And this is back in 1997. A couple of days, a couple of months later, Curtis Wright was working for Purdue Pharma for a salary of $400,000 a year. Okay. That isn't technically a bribe. But you tell me what it really is.

Yeah. Yeah. And I think we had talked about that as well with the, with Aspartame as well, for the artificial sweetener. Well, what was that? I just looked this up as we were getting on because I was trying to find other people's names of, of people who had left the FDA. And this was really crazy. But I looked this up on Google, and so this is just according to Google.

I'm not going to plant a flag and say it's true or not. But according to Google, I said, how many people at the FDA now work for pharma? And the first thing that came up was it said that between 2001 and 2010, 25% of the people who had overseen the passage of or the approval of Kansas, cancer and and other kind of drugs. But 25% of those people who had worked on the teams approving these drugs now worked for the pharmaceutical companies whose drugs they were approving. Of course they do. Of course they do.

And I think that goes back to the point. I believe 100% they have a cure for cancer. They don't want the cure out there because it's just like, you know, if you create a phone that lasts forever, then that phone company is going to go out of business. You create one phone and then that's it. I mean, you know, you're going to have to wait for... If Apple made a phone that lasted for, you know, 10 years, yeah. Their stock price would drop.

And here's the other thing, you know, obviously Trump and RFK are very different on climate change as well. RFK Jr. is an environmental activist and is one of the most prominent voices advocating for action on climate change. He's long been involved in legal battles against corporations for environmental damage. Trump, on the other hand, has repeatedly dismissed climate change as a hoax, withdrew the U.S. from the U.S. from the Paris Climate Accord. That's another thing. I mean, there are definitely big differences between RFK and Trump. And I know we're talking more on the medical side here, but, you know, if we can put

RFK in a medical position, which obviously Trump is planning on doing, I think that's the best suited need for an RFK junior. I don't think he's going to put him in a medical position. I think he's going to put him in a health care position. Yeah, health care. As we've discussed, it's not a medical position. Yeah. Okay.

And this is something I should probably point out, again, I think I brought it up a little bit ago. But if you go back from like the mid-1800 to 1980, we had the biggest decrease in illness. We had the greatest, let me put it this way, the greatest increase in our standard of living, in our longevity, in our quality of life, in everything. That wasn't because of doctors. It wasn't because of pharmacy products. it wasn't because of anything other than hygiene and sanitation. We were taking sewage and pumping it away and treating it before we put it in the river, and RFK helped with all that.

We were teaching people how to brush their teeth. We were teaching people, which in a perfect world, we wouldn't have to brush our teeth, but because we don't live in a perfect world and we eat a bunch of garbage, we have to brush our teeth. We need to. But, you know, all of that is part of what I, I think that RFK and Trump can do is they can bring that back. They can pull the pharmaceuticals and the doctors out of the public health and get it back to where they're talking about how to be healthy, not how to get healthy.

Now, listen, Nathan, I know you don't have long, but let me ask you, do you think that Trump is going to be elected in 2024? Do you think there is a system already in place that's going to make sure he is not elected? Both. All right. Explain. Well, I think if I just I just can't see any way that that anybody except Trump gets elected if it isn't for fraud. I just don't see it. There's too many people out there that acknowledge that, you know, Kamala is, I mean, Kamala is a definition of an oligarchy.

okay in an oligarchy you vote for for the platform you vote for the party you don't vote for the person and in the same sense you know you get to choose the party you get to choose the person and you know when when Biden this is this is what what uh rfk pointed out he he was a democrat he was running on the democratic ticket they didn't want him in there because he's not part of the deep state. He wasn't going to be controlled. Okay. And so they couldn't have him in there. They knew that Joe Biden was unfit to lead the country. But the only other person that was running was RFK. I mean, there might have been other people running, but now I don't even know who they are because they were all such no names.

But I do believe, and I agree with RFK, that if there had been a serious primary for the Democratic Party, I think he would have won it. Yeah. Because so many people done, did not want Biden. Or Kamala. They acknowledged or Kamala or anybody. Okay. And I think that enough of the Democratic Party knew that.

And not Democratic Party because the party is the machine. I think enough of the Democrats, the people on the street, that they would have voted him out, Biden. They would have voted Biden out. They would have voted Kamala out. They would have put in RFK. And I think that they would have won. One, if they had it, it's just the deep state wouldn't have been able to control him. Yeah.

But I think in the same sense, too, people aren't necessarily voting for Kamala or Biden. They're voting against Trump. They will not vote for Trump no matter what because they hate him. Yeah, but I think there's a lot more people that's come around to Trump now. I truly believe. I mean, we're seeing the black community. We're seeing a lot of these people. But, you know, but also the Democrats know that they have a problem with the black community right now.

They are not in control as they used to be with the black community. So what they got to do? Well, they got to replace those black voters with illegals. And, you know, the Safe Act, which is supposed to go to the House floor, probably won't go there, probably won't be voted on. And literally the Safe Act is to make sure that people that are voting in the 2024 election are legal people and of the legal citizens of the United States. And the fact that we even have a bill that we're trying to get to the House floor to say, we need to make sure people that are voting are legal should tell you everything you need to know. It's because there are going to be illegals voting and they are replacing that people they have lost with the illegals that they believe, the illegals believe that they have let in.

The Democrat Party has saved them from all this shit. They got released from prisons in all these other countries. And now they're in the United States. And so who are they going to vote for? Well, you know who they're going to vote for. The damn people that let them into the country. I thought they were voting for me. Well, it may surprise you how many of those people actually do not vote for the same shit that they came from.

Because I think people don't understand is that a lot of these people fled their countries because of socialism, because of communism, because of dictatorships. And there's a lot of people that are coming from all these countries that are smarter than people think. And I think if people just look at, even though, yes, Trump is on this thing about like, if you're in a least, We're going to have the biggest deportation on the face of the earth ever to happen. So that's going to drive these people to have to vote for the left and for Kamala because they don't want to be deported. You know, they're in here. Although they may have voted for Trump because they don't want to vote for the same shit that they came from, which is Kamala Harris. Well, a lot of legal immigrants would vote for Trump because it's like, you know, people that lived in Cuba.

They don't want to live in that stuff again. They want to be in a free country. That's why they're leaving these countries. But obviously, illegals are not going to vote for Trump if they think that as soon as they vote for Trump, they're going to be deported. And Trump has made that very clear. We will have the biggest deportation in U.S. history when I'm elected. And that's an interesting concept. If I was an advisor of the Trump campaign, I would start saying stuff like, look, guys, I know you're illegal, but we're going to vet you like extensively.

intensively vet you. If we feel like you're here for the right reasons, you're not as involved in some kind of criminal organization. Well, that's what he did say. He did say he's going after the criminals first. Yeah. And then he would try to start vetting other people. But he wanted to get the dangerous people out of here first.

Yeah. I think if he goes to that route, I think that those people would more than likely vote for Trump. And sadly, we're talking about this. And there are people that are not even legal citizens of the United States. But the reality of this is, is that we have to talk about that. This country is falling. It is, it is, you know, you saw the movie White House down or Olympus has fallen.

Well, there's a new movie. It's called America has fallen. And what happens if Kamala Harris gets in, Nathan? I think that if Kamala Harris gets in, I think that we will have a revolution. I think there will be a, I do, because there's too many people that no one understand that there's, There's no way that she can be elected. It's just, it's not even plausible. It just isn't.

And I think there will be a revolution. I think there will be, you know, a revolt if she is. Yeah. That's true. It sounds like you're in the car, but yeah, see your phone still in your house. Are you in the car? Are you still in your house? Yes.

No, I'm in my car. Well, you realize you left your phone in the house. No, I didn't. Yeah, you did. No, I didn't. Oh, well, I'm looking at, the funny thing is, guys, you can't see this, obviously. We're on audio, but I see the video of Nathan's, I guess, phone, and I'm seeing some notes that he has on the table. But I'm just curious how he's actually still talking to us.

Interesting. No, I told you, like half an hour ago, I had to go drive to pick up my kids from school. I got you. Got you, got you, got you. And this morning, I'll tell you. tell I'll share some of my personal family life. My third teen year old daughter, I got a call this morning from the school. And this is the first time she did this.

And I'm going to have to have another chat with her. But this morning, she played hooky. Uh-oh. She went to her first class. The second class, she took off and walked out. And their school called me. And I said, where are you at? And she goes, I'm just walking down the street in downtown, Provo, Utah.

Are you serious? she's taken after me. Oh my gosh. And I went down and I picked her up and I grounded her for a week and I took her phone away. And, you know, so anyways, I have to go pick her up and I'm going to have a couple of more words from her. Maybe we could have ask her opinion on some of this. Well, the funny thing is, so Nathan's daughters are definitely sassy. They are, they're sassy, but they're very, they're sassy and smart, very smart girl for their age.

Yeah, they're like little adults, yeah, for sure. Hey, don't tell them that. We're not going to tell them that for sure, but they are like little adults. They're very smart, barely into telling them. I mean, and they listen to podcasts and they kind of get a good idea of a lot of things. Yeah, I think one of them wants to start her own podcast, a crime podcast. Yeah, she loves that stuff. Yes, that's, that's Sophia.

No, I think that one of the things that I do, and I think this is actually a benefit for my children, and but I do censor what I do. But a lot of the business calls that I do, I actually do from the car while I'm shoveling, I'm not shoveling, shuffling them around to their different activities. And so they get to sit in there and listen. And many times, as you guys know, they will comment.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, I've been sitting here talking with senators and, you know, congressmen and other people and other. business people and we'll be having a serious conversation and my daughters will pipe up and ask a question which is actually relevant. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny. And it's great.

And I do think that that does help with their understanding of the world. Yeah, Nathan has connected us with a lot of people as well in the past. Some of those people did not come on our podcast. I think maybe because we have conspiracy in her name, although if they realize that everything is a conspiracy. Yeah, I mean. And everything that's a conspiracy is really true. Well, not everything.

A lot of things. But, you know, the reality is is that a lot of people, especially over the past four or five, six years, have looked up conspiracies because they want to know the truth. And they think that if you go look up conspiracies, they're going to find the probably more hardline truth than obviously, you know, mainstream media. And I think a lot of people that are still kind of in the, or they're used to the old system. I think they're a little scared of the word conspiracy, all because of what mainstream media

has done to the word conspiracy. So I find that very interesting. And we went back and forth sharing and I have about like, do we go with just our names to where if we do have some very important person that doesn't want to associate with the conspiracy word or whatever the case is, maybe we just have Chad and Sherry live or unplugged or whatever. Or just investigate Earth. Yeah.

Or whatever the case. Yeah. Yeah. So it's. It's all very interesting, but Nathan, listen, man, I, I, I'm glad you came on. Hang on. Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me add something to that is that we have had, this is actually really, and this just, it actually disturbs me, okay, because when I first went on the high wire with Del Bigtree, yeah, and there have been other podcasts and other,

and other programs that I've gone on to that are conservative programs. And whenever that happens, we'll always have the odd customer, the odd person that buys clear our products and use them. I'm never using your products again. You guys are going on these conspirators. It's like, I don't believe that healthcare, healthcare should not be a political hot button. It shouldn't be a political issue.

Healthcare is healthcare. Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, whether you're a liberal or a libertarian. Or a conspiracy theorist. Health care is healthcare. Or a conspiracy theorist. Healthcare is health care. And it shouldn't be something that people are arguing about

from a political standpoint. If somebody's using a product, let's say a nasal spray or a bar of soap that works for them and helps them stay healthy and then, you know, clear or dove or some other bar of soap goes on a program and says, hey, you know, the high wire and somebody says something, that shouldn't be a political issue. That should just simply be, hey, you know what? This is great health care. You want to get out and teach as many people about health care and about being healthy as you can, whether they're Democrats or Republicans, because guess what? We love people. Whether you are a liberal or a Democrat, I wish the best for you. My dad is a diehard Democrat.

In fact, I'll tell a story. I think I told this to you that as soon as I left Alex Jones's program yesterday, my family, I come from a family of 14 children. My family has a group text with all of the siblings. There's 14 people on it. And I have a brother who, did I tell you this story? Yeah, but I think I need to tell everybody else this story. It's so funny.

My brother who has a son that's getting married in a couple of weeks, we reached out or somebody in the family text reached out to him and was like, hey, you know, what do you have going on right now? You know, how are you getting ready? And his wife, my sister-in-law, who a week ago had a brain aneurysm and was in the hospital. But she responded and said, well, this is 80. And I'm just watching Peter because he's in bed recuperating because he's head exploded. Wow.

And somebody goes, what? Because we all know that she just about had her head explode with a an aneurysm. And now she goes, I'm in bed. I'm watching Peter because he's recuperating because he just saw his dad on Alex Jones. No, that's hilarious. I do know that like, I guess maybe half of your siblings are liberal, right? I mean, left.

Would you say half of them? I would, I would say that probably, yeah, probably half of them. And your dad, which is funny because. your dad is definitely left as well and he was on Alex Jones which is hilarious. He is so left. And it's funny, it's funny how Alex Jones called him over. And he's like, come on, dad. Come on over here.

Your dad was over and just kind of offset and then Alex called him on. And so the whole second half of Nathan and Alex Jones's hour was his dad also on there. And his dad was on those people yesterday that kind of offered this intriguing wisdom. on things that Alex ask. Yeah, I had no idea. Yeah, it was always very interesting to hear what your dad was going to say.

And your dad just brought up some crazy type of wisdom stuff every time. And I think that was very interesting here. I think it was, I think it added to the show for sure. But yeah, that's interesting. And obviously, for those who don't know,

Lon Jones, which is, which is Nathan's father, is the doctor. He actually was the one that kind of figured out xylitol and which is, essentially where I guess you kind of got your idea or your ideas for starting the company clear with the nasal spray. And then you also moved on to the mouthwashes and the toothpaste and gum and all the other

various things you guys do. And but yeah, I love seeing your dad on there. I thought it was hilarious. And especially knowing the story that your other family was having a meltdowns when they were seeing this. I think that's hilarious. It is pretty funny. Well,

it wasn't really a meltdown. It was just they died of shock. Like, yeah, like, you know, who would have ever thought? Oh,

that's hilarious. Well, listen, so we're going to have, we, we have, what, less than 60 days to the election.

And obviously, there's a lot of stuff that's going to happen, I believe, between now and then. I think there's going to be a lot of false flags. I think there's going to be a lot of things. I think there's going to be a lot of things.

to where one side or the other is going to blame the other for whatever happens. And I think more so it's going to be on the left, blaming the right for something that happens, whether it is something that they create to happen or allow to happen. I think we're going to see a lot of that. I think there's going to be some massive revelations that may come to light. I don't know what those things are, but I just, the way this is going for the left,

there's no way that it can continue to go for the left. I mean, we're seeing these pole numbers. members come out to say Kamala is up five points now on national polls, I have no idea how that would even be possible. I really just truly do not, unless you're polling people. I don't. That are here completely illegal. Who the hell are you polling?

I don't believe that there's any chance that those polls are correct. I mean, are these phones that are given the illegals? Are these phones getting polls to their phones? Yeah, I've never, ever had somebody call me and ask me who I wanted for president. No. Well, I think that the companies are just, I think that they used to work for like the Sackler family polling groups where they just make all the data up. Yeah. I think those are about as effective.

You know, I'm trying to think of how to say that. I have Sophia in the car with me now. And, you know, maybe I should ask her how that is effective so that she can give her two cents. Well, here. And then we can ask her why she skipped out of class. No, let me Sophia, you bad girl. No one cares about dance.

She didn't even learn anything. Sophia. She doesn't teach. Luke dances. They look retarded at the end of the year. Sophia, if you could, if you could vote for, if you could vote this year, who would you vote for Kamala or Trump? Trump.

America. And Sophia, can you tell me why you would vote Trump over? Tamala? Because what was that artist she did? Like that rapping where she was twerking? Who wants a president like that? That's special. That's true.

Okay? I don't even know anything else about it. But like, Nathan showed me the video and she looked like what? You're telling me she's supposed to be running our country? Yeah, that's like not going to happen, sweetie. That's not good. Oh my God. I love to ask that question because that's the perfect answer.

I mean, I don't even know what else you need. Do you want twerking or do you want no wars? It is one of the, it's one of the two. Gosh, that is, that's amazing. Nathan, listen, I'm so glad to ask that question. We're going to wrap this up here. We got so much stuff coming up, guys. For everyone listening, there's a lot of things going on.

Obviously, we had the Georgia shooting. We're probably gone a couple of days. We're going to be back Sunday. And for everyone that doesn't know, and Nathan, I've told you already, Monday, we have flat earth Dave coming on our show. And that's not L Dave. It's another day. No, this is flat earth day.

This is one of the main guys behind the flat earth theory. And so although we do not necessarily believe in flat earth, both Nathan and I are in aviation. And Nathan and I have kind of talked about this as far as the flat earth thing goes. And I'm not saying I'm going to, you know, I'm not going to be a hater. what I told Nathan is I want this guy to convince me. That's it. Convince our listeners, convince me. And,

well, they say if you are a Christian, then you should believe in the flat earth. I don't know. What? That's what I've heard. Well, you're talking about the firmament.

The firmament, whatever that is. Yeah, the firmament. Yeah, the firmament. But yeah, guys, thanks for coming on. I don't believe that.

But anyways. No, Nathan, thank you so much for coming on. We really appreciate. appreciate it. And we hope that, you know, listen, we hope number one that Trump gets in in 2024 in November. We hope that actually happens. But, you know, is there going to be cheating? Is there going to be this massive corruption in elections? Is Kamala Harris going to claim that she wins? Or could there be a war to where they supersede the elections and say, look, you know what?

We actually can't switch parties right now because we are in a world war or we are in a pandemic. All those things are very possible, but at the very least, we, I think, did a decent job of talking about RFK's involvement in Trump's cabinet and administration. And what we didn't talk about tonight is Elon has specifically said that, hey, if Trump gets elected, I am all for making sure that our government is actually spending money where it's supposed to be spent. And so we want to reduce the overspending of government, overspending taxpayer dollars.

And Trump has also doubled down on this today in a recent speech. each too as well, Sherry. And I just want to reduce the punishment, Sophia gets, so that Nathan knows that. Reduce the punishment. Yes. Reduce the punishment for her. Okay. To what?

To what's your... To less grounding and give her her phone back. What? Three days or what? Are you advocating for three days or how many days? You're the attorney here. You can't go zero days because she's got to have some kind of punishment. Okay.

But what are you going to do? Take it down from a week to what? Yeah. maybe like three hours. Three hours. Yeah, three hours. Give her the phone back. But he's the judge, though.

So he's never going to agree to three hours. He's never going to agree. I think we actually did lose Nathan. But guys, that's going to do it for us. Fun conversation. We obviously talked about RFK and Trump's cabinet and administration. What do you guys think about how RFK can make a difference in the United States of America under the Trump administration? and we're going to leave you with a song

Lost Touch by Flux Vortex. This song we played quite a bit, but guys, we're going to be back Sunday with a new episode. Monday is our Flat Earth episode, which is going to be very interesting. And anything and any questions you have for Flat Earth, Dave, please send us a message,

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