Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Tucker Carlson Vladimir Putin Interview Breakdown | Nato Ukraine & The West

Episode Date: February 10, 2024

In this episode, we delve into the Tucker Carlson and Vladimir Putin interview, analyzing Putin's statements regarding the United States, NATO, and Ukraine. We scrutinize whether Putin's assertions hold truth and sincerity or are merely fabrications. Why does Putin shift blame onto the United States and NATO? Drawing from our extensive coverage of the Russia-Ukraine conflict since its inception, we offer our insights as discerning evaluators of Putin's remarks. All of this and more on this episode of Tucker Carlson Vladimir Putin Interview Breakdown | Our ThoughtsOur XOur Facebook

dust spreads in the air to dark days do you have a tear to spirit hello and welcome to investigate earth podcast i'm your host chat alongside my beautiful wife sherry on tonight's episode we are going to be breaking down the tucker carlson and vladimir putin interview which has literally made mainstream media lose their freaking minds uh it hit has broken the internet right now i believe as of this recording and this is friday night februity ninth a day after the record Gordon came out. It's at about 130 million views on X. So far, I think it's about 8 million views on YouTube, which I think he just released that today on YouTube. No telling what his website has, Tucker Carlson.com. But this interview was very eye-opening. There are people that can't help,

but believe that maybe Vladimir Putin was being sincere in a lot of ways. Although we do not know the truth behind everything that he claims and says, we are at the very least going to try to decipher for what is true, what is not, you know, is Russia mostly at fault for the U.S. Russia tensions, is the United States. And look, guys, we're going to take our country of origin out of this. We're going to take all of this. We are human beings. They're listening to a reporter and a world leader.

And we're trying to decipher whether or not this guy is being truthful, whose fault's what. And how can we in some way in the future try to avoid conflicts like this? Because the reality of this situation is, and why this interview was so important is because it has worldwide implications. It has implications that can literally destroy all of humanity. And, you know, we've talked in this podcast many times about the potential of multiple civilizations in our past. We don't know why those civilizations failed or why they got wiped out if those civilizations actually existed. But, you know, when you talk about a world war where two countries have nuclear warheads that can destroy each other,

that is a civilization ending scenario and so the left and the mainstream media that said I can't believe Tucker Carlson is a traitor and going to interview Vladimir Putin I think maybe they were afraid to hear what a lot of people may have heard from Vladimir Putin which is you know if you believe any of what he said he doesn't seem as confrontational

or at the very least the instigator in some of the situations and the tensions between the United States and Russia. And so that's what we're going to break down. We tried to do this last night. But after we watched the interview, we tried to do this with actually Nathan. Nathan did a good job, but he had to run pretty early.

We just felt like we needed another day to kind of just soak it in. It was the information overload. It definitely was. And I was like spinning. My head was spinning. And I was very concerned last night that Tucker's website was going to even shut down because there were so many people even listening. last night or watching.

It was like, I don't even know how his website is up right now because it was so amazing how many people were actually listening to this. It was very interesting that Biden, I guess, was having some kind of speech at the same time. Tucker's interview came out. I don't know how many views he got. Well, the thing is, yes, President Biden did come out with a, you know, kind of an impromptu press conference to address the nation. He had to address the nation because at the same time, basically,

Tucker's interview was releasing with Vladimir Putin that seemed to be very sharp, very knowledgeable, especially about Russian history, European history, and the like. Then you had Biden, which I can't believe anyone would have suggested that Biden go out in a press Congress to the nation and address the fact that the special counsel essentially said that they're not going to file charges on Biden in the classified documents case because he is, what did they say? Well, number one, he's too old. and his memory is essentially screwed.

Mentally incapable of understanding what he did. And this is the president of our United States. And when we're listening and watching the interview last night, I was comparing a lot of times our administration, our president, compared to Putin. They're his president. He is with it. For a man to know so many facts in the history of Russia like he did,

went way, way back. And I think he felt like he needed. needed to tell this history in order to have Tucker understand why this whole conflict is going on right now. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're 100% right there, Sherry. And also, the other thing was it was very interesting because, you know, look, I really respected how Tucker went about the interview. He didn't ask softball questions. He didn't play kindergarten, as, you know, I think Putin mentioned quite a few times.

But, you know, Tucker was very good at answering the questions. He tried to keep Putin on task. But I think, you know, for example, we're not going to get too much into the history of what Vladimir Putin talked about to set up why the Ukraine situation happened, at least as far as the 1600s. Because he literally went back centuries to talk about why all this started to begin with. And we'll break down briefly that. But there are some very, very key things in this interview that we have to talk about when we're talking. talking about world implications. We're talking about the way the world is right now, the new world order that's trying to take over the globe, this elite system. And we'll also talk about the

negative, some of the things I didn't like necessarily. And some of the things we felt like he wasn't necessarily as sincere about as maybe others. And look, at the very end of the day, I think so many of us and so many of you there are listening to this podcast, you know, regardless of where you live, there are not very many places that you are safe. from authoritarian leaders that are trying to take away more of your rights every single day. That's the case in the United States. That's the case in Canada. That's the case in New Zealand.

That's the case in Australia and Europe and Ireland. We have this massive disease, this sickness. And this is something Putin actually mentioned in the interview, but there is a disease. There is a sickness of the mind. There is a sickness of the soul. And there is a sickness in a power control struggle between the elites and the people at an all-time high right now. I mean, we have a situation that is.

is dire. I mean, we are dire to figure out a solution to how do we stop the elites from completely taken away and stripping away all of our rights as people, as human beings, as a free people, and somehow making our own decisions, making our future, and deciding what our future is going to be. You know, and there's so many governments that were set up that the people voted in who they thought was going to give them the best possible future. And unfortunately, it doesn't seem that is the case anymore. We feel like we, have a vote. We feel like we have a voice by voting in people that we think will do right by us. But the problem is bureaucracy. The problem is money. The problem is the military industrial

complex, the biopharmaceutical complex. There's so many complexes now that are so heavily funded by money that there's so many politicians that do not have your interest in mind whatsoever. And they are completely and 100% controlled by the money that backs them. And this is just a problem in Western government. This is a problem also, I'm sure, in other governments, but especially in Western governments, we have a real issue to where we have politicians are controlled by bureaucracy, and this is one of the greatest threats to humanity above all. And this bureaucracy could also lead to World War, which I think also is a huge problem of why the United States and Russia has these tensions, why there is wars breaking out in the

Middle East. And so we're going to break up. all this down. It's a lot to unpack. So guys, welcome to the podcast. If this is your first time, it may be some of your first time listening to us. We talk about everything from corruption, conspiracy, UFOs. We talk about it all. And yes, we do give our opinions. You may not agree with all of them, but we are going to tell you exactly how we feel. Regardless of what we think you want us to say, we're going to say what we are saying, because we do have a platform we've built for so long. And we feel like that we have to use it for the best good we possibly can, which is telling the truth of the best of our ability.

And so just to give you a preface of what we're doing, that's what we're doing here. And it is 6.11 p.m. on Friday. So happy weekend to all of you that are listening. We got some great episodes, by the way, coming. We actually have Jacob Chanceley, which will be on with us, I believe, Monday evening. We're releasing now. Jacob Chanceley, the media went with it. He was a Q&N shaman, as they called him, January 6th.

Protester, or people call him insurrectionist or rioter, whatever you want to. call him. We got a ton of questions for him. We're going to break all that down. And actually, speaking of Tucker, Tucker was one of the big ones that actually got Jacob Chancellies or Jake Chanceley's case looked at, reviewed and, you know, he showed the videos or basically the Capitol Police kind of walking him through the thing. Now, regardless of whatever you feel about that, it doesn't matter. But we're going to at least interview him. That'll be Monday evening. So make sure you subscribe to a podcast wherever you listen to podcast. So let's um i guess the best way we can start this is i want to break down the basics of what

putin has said and and this is from a timeline breakdown and you know this is very very surface level what i'm about to tell you and we're going to break this down the best way we can and and more so we're going to really break down the things that we think are the most important to us right the most important to human beings and and people on earth um will there be a world war three if so who will cause it? Why is Ukraine conflict going on? According to Putin anyway, then we'll tell what our thoughts are on that. We actually have pretty extensive

history in the Russia-Ukang conflict. We have talked to many times with J.D. that is on the front lines with Ukraine now. He is actually part of, I think, special forces Ukraine military. He used to be special forces military, I think special forces U.S. military. And then when the Ukraine-Russia conflict

first broke out, his organization actually went over to Ukraine to train civilians. to be ready to fight the Russian advance into Ukraine. And so we have had both sides of this. We have talked or looked at both sides of this. So we were very excited, actually, when we saw this interview, because we just wanted to analyze it. And we had 14 pages of notes.

But we're going to try to condense that as much as possible. We'll get the boring stuff out of the way. That's why I want to break down briefly. Just some of the key points of some of the things Putin argued. So, number one, Putin believes Russia has historic claims. to parts of Ukraine dating back centuries. He sees NATO eastward expansion as a threat to Russian security. He asserts that the 2014 protest and change of Ukrainian government was potentially a coup,

maybe even Western backed, which we'll talk about. He argues Russia had to intervene militarily to protect Russians in Ukraine. He talks about, he says Russia was open to negotiate but claims Ukraine, Ukraine walked away under Western pressure. And he denies Russian troops committed atrocities. like the ledge in Boka. He contends sanctions have backfired and driven Russia and China closer together. He warns against efforts to inflict

a strategic defeat on Russia and Ukraine and he implies negotiated settlements is still possible but claims the ball as in the West Court. He also suggests anti-Russian sentiment in Ukraine does not represent more Ukrainian views. He argues for protecting traditional religious values against Western liberalism.

He defends detaining non-spies like U.S. journalist Evan Garsofitz for espionage. He denies Russian involvement in Nord Stream Pipeline. He downplays long-term impact of Russian international isolation. He disputes Russia is weakened and says the economy remains strong. He alleges the West previously supported terrorist against Russia. He claims past U.S. leaders privately admitted CIA Medline in Russia. And he argues dollar status as a reserve currency is being undermined by U.S.

policies. He also warns against unconstitutional AI and genetic engineering, absent ethnic ethnical guardrails, and he suggests willingness to release prisoner swap but sets preconditions. He emphasizes Russians centuries-long historical ties to Ukraine, and he accuses the West of what is this word. I don't even know what it is, but well, he, and I wrote it on this, he accuses the of basically reversing and trying to get out of the security promises made after Cold War. And he alleges Ukraine was preparing to take Donbass by force prior to the invasion. So I'll just give you some of the key breakdowns. There's a lot more to this.

But let's get into it. So Putin talked about the history, right? He had a 20-minute history lesson with Tucker Carlson. And during this 20-minute history lesson, Tucker Carlson, it seemed, which to me, I felt like Tucker's did not do a great job in this section. I'm just going to be honest. Because if I'm sitting there personally with the leader of Russia,

especially knowing everything you've heard about Russia and their leadership and, you know, kind of how fierce they can be. And, you know, if you go against them or you talk out of the line, this is what the West has always told us. You're going to be killed, right? And so Tucker, although he had courage

by trying to interrupt and, you know, engage him back in the question that Tucker originally had, At some point, you know, Putin interrupted and he said, look, do you want the freaking real answer? Or do you want to play the Western politics? Do you want a serious conversation or do you want this to be a TV talk show is what he was saying? And at this time, this is when Tucker was asking him a question, why did you invade Ukraine? And why did it take you so long to do that?

Yeah, absolutely. Since he's been president for 2,000 years. But why did it take you 12? 2000 years. Yeah. Since 2000. Yeah, is that what I said? You said he's been present since 2000 years.

Oh, sorry, 2000. But really, the last 13, 14 years, he said, why did it take you so long and why did you do it now? Yeah. And Putin kept saying, you have to hear the history to understand what I'm talking about and why this happened. And that's when he pretty much turned the tables and said it's really not his fault that any of this is happening. Yeah. Yeah. So here's the big issue was the first kind of case he made as far as historical values is the wars that happened around the USSR, Ukraine, Germany, Hungary, so on.

And so there were these boundaries set in place, which were not necessarily country lines that were put in place during wartime. And so this is many times the case in wartime scenarios to where someone will believe or think that they have a certain area or certain geographical or. region that they claim to be theirs, but it's never really set in stone. There's never really a true recognition of where that land actually holds or who holds the land. And so one of the things Putin was talking about here was even dating back the 13th century, 16th century, Putin is basically saying that Russia has the right to take the land based on 1654 borders a very long time ago.

And but maybe other countries could also claim back the land because as, as, as, they talked about in history here, you know, you had Hungary that also potentially could have claimed part of the land of Ukraine, at least the western part of Ukraine, and just like Russia could and maybe even Poland. And so one of the questions Tucker asked him was, he said, well, look, if you think that because of geography and because of the wars back then, which you admit that Hungary and some of these other countries also potentially lay claim to this land, why should they not also invade Ukraine just like you are to take back their land? And so Putin's response was he didn't really.

talk too much about that. He was like, well, yeah, I guess you could say that, but no, they should not do that. And really, to me, that was just like, well, they don't have the capabilities to do that because we are the nuclear power here. And so we have the right to do this. We want the right to do this, although these countries are part of, or some of these countries are part of NATO. But Putin is not the only one that wants to reclaim land or make sure land belongs to them. If you even think about the Hamas, Israel thing going on, Israel, has always claimed, our Jewish people in Israel

has claimed that's their land. And part of the West Bank and the, you know, Gaza Strip is all Jews. And so it's kind of the same concept a little bit where Putin believes that Ukraine belongs to Russia. But Palestinians believe also they own

that part of the land as well. Exactly. Gaza. So, and that's always been in conflict. So you have this little strip in Gaza that Palestinians believe they have the right to live there in peace and so on. Jews, for, I mean, we're not even going to get in on that, but it's still very similar.

Yeah, it's a very similar issue going on, in my opinion. Absolutely. So, and then, you know, Putin kind of made a personal story about in the 80s. He had went on this little trip, right? And he went on a road trip, and he had come through Kiev. And as he went through Kiev and was going out in the western part of Ukraine, he started noticing these people in black, like, outfits, almost like robe-looking things. and he'd ask whoever he was with that time.

He said, who are these people and what costumes are they wearing? And they said, well, they're Hungarian. They live here. I mean, this is, they believe this is their land. They speak Hungarian here in this area, this region. They hung on to the Hungarian language. And one of the things Putin was talking about was in Ukraine, even then, you know, most all the signs were Russian, right?

And so, you know, it was a very, it was his concept he was trying to get to was, this was Russians here. This was Russian land. This has always been Russian land. All the signs, the language, even the family members that lived in this area had ties to ancestors in Russia. So he said, this is Russian. If you look at it, this is our family. This is our blood. This has always belonged to us.

Absolutely. And so the history there, I got to be honest, it was pretty much the most boring parts. So we're not going to get too much on this. And even Putin said, I understand you probably think this is boring. but you have to understand where we're coming from, at least geographically first, before we get into all the craziness, which is the West and the new politics and everything that's going on, especially towards globalism,

even though I really wish Tucker would have asked him more questions about this. Yeah, even with the New World Order and things like that, because I really want to see where he sits with that. Yeah, well, we know where he sits there. And we'll talk about that later. I just wish Tucker would ask some of these questions. But, you know, Tucker asked him then after the history, history. He said, well, what's the threat from NATO? What do you think about NATO? How do you feel like this is NATO plays into this? And then he said, no, no, no. I am I am not done with what I'm saying. And you expected Putin to just answer because, you know, obviously Putin would want to jump on NATO, especially given the very passionate question from Tucker Carlson. And you know how Tucker Carlson is. He sits there. He has that look on his face. Well, if, if, you know what, you know, you know how he is. He's very passionate about his question.

And so you would just think. And most people, by the way, would have just moved on to whatever Tucker's question was. But Putin was like, no, I'm not moving on. You're going to listen to me. And you're going to hear me out until I'm done with what I'm saying. And Tucker interrupted him about three or four times during this time. And Putin was just starting to be like, what the hell, dude? Do you want a serious conversation or not?

And like you said, it was very courageous of Tucker to even go there and interview him because we all know what happens to people that goes against Putin. Yeah, we're going to talk about that. Poisoned. Well, poison, their plane gets crashed potentially, you know, so on and so forth. Yeah. So one of the things he talked about was why is the West so afraid of Russia, right? And that's one of the questions Tucker had for him.

And he said, the West is not afraid of Russia. They are afraid more of China than they are of Russia, right? And although I say that's true, there's a lot of implications with the China thing. We've talked a lot on this podcast about, for example, the border, right? there are many reports coming through that, you know, military age men are coming across the border in droves. There are camp set up in South America. They are heavily funded. They have apps and cartoons and all this stuff to make sure that they know where to go on their journey from South America,

flying directly into Ecuador from China and then going from there into the United States. These are all military age men. These are all guys that can do heavy damaged or could be activated in a direct conflict with China. but also the United States government administration that we have right now knows that this has happened and they know without question that this is happening. There are multiple reports. Dr. Phil's about to do it in a whole special. Right.

Tucker Carlson's done a special on this. There's been so many we've talked about this. And yet the United States government knows this is happening. We also know that China has been buying up our farmland. We also know that China is buying up not only farmland but farmland near U.S. military bases. We had a freaking Chinese spy balloon transverse the entire country. And we did nothing about it until they got to South Carolina. Yeah, off the coast of South Carolina.

And then we shot it down. It was almost like we allowed and wanted that spy balloon to go from Alaska all the way down through North America, you know, kind of down toward, I think it come across Washington State after that and then went all the way down to South Carolina. Then was finally shot down. And everyone knew about this. It was a story well before it was ever shot down. And it was almost as if we wanted that spy balloon to be allowed into the United States. United States to do whatever the hell their reconnaissance was.

And so when we say that we're more afraid of China, I don't necessarily think it's more afraid of China. I think it's that we are a lot more controlled and in the pocket by China than we think. I actually think the chikoms, as many will call it, are running a lot of what is behind the scenes of this country right now. And that's a very scary thing. If you want to talk about scary thing, how much we are literally just at the mercy of China right now, I think is unimaginable.

But would we ever allow Russia to do the things that we're allowing China do? Like you said, we are definitely in the pocket because we would never allow a Russian balloon to go across the United States. We would never allow Russians, which I think, to own any kind of land in the United States. Meanwhile, we're letting China buy so much land that it's incredible. We did a whole podcast about how much land and how much farmland. Like they're pretty much in charge of our food right now in America and this is China. So you're right. We are in their pocket and they can take total advantage of us and we can do nothing about it.

Yeah. When you talk about the food thing, you know, we actually just talked about that on, I don't even remember what episode it was now, but, you know, how China has bought up so much of our farmland. But in particular, in North Carolina off the east coast of North Carolina, you have Smith-filled foods. Many of you have probably seen if you're in the United States, you've seen Smith-filled products. They're everywhere, especially pork. pork products and then you have other products. They're kind of, you know, like for example, most people don't realize like what Coca-Cola company owns.

But, you know, Coca-Cola owns waters. They own all kinds of stuff that doesn't say Coca-Cola on it, but they own it. Smithfield is one of those subsidiaries to where they own stuff outside of their conglomerate, their umbrella of pork. And so they own a lot more in the U.S. food supply and industry than we can imagine, right? So that's also the reason why a large portion of the eastern or southeast region of North Carolina is bought up by China. And they own this, right? And so why does that matter?

Well, we don't also know what the offshoots of all the Smithfield food products are. There could be tons of offshoots of this. And beyond that, you know, if you talk about a wartime scenario, depending on how much control and how much leverage they have in the food supply, it could be very unimaginable consequences, allowing a foreign adversary into your country, especially controlling and supplying part of your food supply, but also then you also get to think about the other areas of farmland they own that are near military bases. They can gather reconnaissance.

They can gather intel. China has some of the best hackers in the world. We actually just got warned by someone in Department of Defense recently that they believe that Chinese hackers do have sleeper cells in the United States to where they are actively inside of companies right now that we don't even know who they are. We don't know where they are. But they are there in the event and when something happens between China and the United States.

Well, they even have a police department in New York, I believe. Yeah. And supposedly that's, well, I think it's not just New York. I think it may also be in San Francisco. We allowed that. And supposedly that was because of the police to police their Chinese nationals here. Right. Which is crazy.

So I think Putin was wrong in the fact. that we're scared of China, I think we're in China's pocket. Like you said, it has to do with money and we're allowing China to do all these things that we would never allow Russia to do. Meanwhile, during all these conflicts, like you mentioned in one of the target points,

is this has created a bond or a closer relationship with Russia and China. And that's what's really scary to me. Because these are two superpowers that are coming together during all this turmoil where we just have pretty much them against America. And that is scary. It is, absolutely.

You're 100% right. And a little bit later, we're going to talk more about, you know, what the United States did to Russia really just hurt the United States, not Russia, right? It actually, in some ways, helped Russia. But so after 1991, Putin said they believed that Russia would be welcome to civilized nations or whatever he called. I don't know if it was civilized nations or just the, the nation. of the West or NATO or something like that.

He didn't want to be seen according to him or Russia didn't want to be seen at least through Boris Yeltsin as an adversarial country. They wanted to, according to Putin, Boris Yeltsin wanted to work out things with the United States. He wanted to, you know, start a good relationship with the United States. This is 1991 and this is pretty much when USSR collapsed and it became Russia again. And this is the time that Russia was pretty much wanting to, as far as Putin says, reach out and be part of NATO with the NATO countries. Yeah.

So Boris Yeltsin, he had come to America and said basically, let us in. He was in America. He was in Congress, I believe, or wherever he came for the famous speech. And I think it was 1991. He came in and he said, let us in. We want to be a part of the system. We don't want to be adversarial. we want you guys to welcome us.

We want to work with you however we can, all of these things. And so what did the U.S. do in response to Boris Yeltsin doing that? Well, they expanded eastward. NATO expanded eastward. And that's obviously a threat, especially considering that what the response was to Boris Yelston coming over and saying let us in was basically F you. Right. We're not extending this invitation to you.

But we are going to move towards you. Yeah, exactly. So just so you guys know, Boris Yeltschelton was a Russian politician and who played a significant role in the dissolution of the Soviet Union. He was the president of Russia before Putin, obviously from 1991 and 1999. And he was a significant figure in the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the establishment of the Russian Federation. He served as the first president of the Russian Federation from 91 to 1999. and Yelsohn rose to prominence in the late 1980s as a political reformer and became the first democratically elected president of Russia in 1991. He was known for his charismatic personality and his efforts to transition Russia from communism to a marketed economy.

However, his presidency was marked by economic turmoil, political instability, and corruption. Despite these challenges, Yeltsin is remembered for his role in dismantle in the Soviet Union and his efforts to establish democracy in Russia. So obviously when you're coming off communism, you're not going to have all flying colors, you know, in your first term. But he was there from 91 to 99. And I think at the very least, what Putin was really saying in this interview was he came to the United States. He said let us in. US basically said F you. This was the first time to United States.

Not a first time. But this was one of the most recent times that United States said F you to someone from Russia, a big figure, as the president of. of Russia, the first president of Russia since the Soviet Union. And what did the United States do? They said, we don't give a damn basically what you say. I mean, this was kind of their smug response according to Putin. And if you look historically, though, that's basically what happened. Right.

So not only that, you know, they expanded eastward. And then the United States started to bomb Belgrade. So this was this was something else. It was like an escalation. It was almost like a let me piss in your face. Right. on top of this. And he was like, we're not going to stand around and let you just do that.

Of course, we have to respond back. Yeah. So then Putin became president in 2000. And he wanted to reopen the door with the United States, he said, right? He said, look, we wanted a relationship with the United States. And when I came in, and I'm speaking from Putin's perspective, I felt like maybe we could do that, right? I understand, you know, Boris Yeltsin, the West, and this is what Putin said, the West said he was crazy.

He didn't know what the hell he was doing. he was dumb and stupid. And he said, let me tell you something. He said, there's one thing about Boris Yelston that I can tell you is he's not dumb and he ain't stupid. He knew everything he was going on. And he said, so when I became in, or when I came in in 2000, I wanted to try to reopen the door with the United States.

And I wanted to try to somehow work with the United States in any way I could. And I felt like I had the, even though he didn't say this, but kind of the way he was saying, I felt like I had the charisma to potentially come in and, try to work out relationships with people like Bush and his cabinet and everyone else. Right. And so when we get to that, I do have to, we have to, I guess, go to the clip because I think this is one of the clips that really shows when Putin came and he said, look, maybe we want to work with the United States.

I see a team. Absolutely. So this is what he had to say about Bill Clinton and NATO because Tucker Carlson asked him a very interesting question here. And I thought it was pretty awesome. Here you go. Oh, well, if I clicked the right button, there we go.

In 2000, I thought, okay, the Yugoslav issue is over, but we should try to restore relations. Let's reopen the door that Russia had tried to go through. And moreover, I said it publicly, I can reiterate.

At a meeting here in the Kremlin with the outgoing President Bill Clinton, right here in the next room, I said to him, I asked him. Do you think if Russia asked to join NATO? Do you think it would happen? Suddenly he said, you know, it's interesting.

I think so. But in the evening, when we met for dinner, he said, you know, I've talked to my team. No, no, it's not possible now. You can ask him, I think he will watch our interview. he'll confirm it. I wouldn't have said anything like that if it hadn't happened. Okay.

Were you sincere? It's impossible now. Would you have joined NATO? Look, I asked the question, is it possible or not? And the answer I got was no. If I wasn't sincere in my desire to find out what the leadership position

was... But if he had said yes, would you have joined NATO? If he had said yes, the process of reproachment would have commenced and eventually it might have happened if we had seen some sincere wish on the other side of our partners but it didn't happen well no means no okay fine why do you think that is just to get to motive i know you're clearly bitter about it um i understand but why do you think the west rebuffed you then why the hostility why did the end of the cold war not

fix the relationship what motivates this from your point of view You said I was bitter about the answer. No, it's not bitterness. It's just a statement of fact. We're not bride and groom, bitterness, resentment. It's not about those kind of matters in such circumstances. We just realized we weren't welcome there. That's all.

Okay. All right, so there you go. That was basically what Putin was saying about Bill Clinton, outgoing president. He'd asked Bill Clinton the question. Straight up. Hey, what if we want to join NATO? So, I mean, what if we do? Bill Clinton said, I think so, yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. I think maybe that would be a good thing. Later at dinner, I guess Bill Clinton talked to the CIA probably. CIs like, hell no, what are you talking about, dude? Do you not know who you work for, Bill? Right, because we have to mention this with the CIA. Putin was saying basically that the CIA is the one that's running the show over our presidents, which I would not ever believe that, even.

even four or five years ago ever. I would think the CIA was perfect. Our government was perfect. I would have no idea of where that was coming from. But doing this podcast for so long now, I know Putin's telling the truth about this, because this really happens. Yeah, absolutely.

And listen, there are 100%, and we're about to get more into this NATO thing in just a second. But there's 100% of things. As Sherry and I were watching this interview last night, and, you know, the first part, the first 20 minutes of the history. I was like, oh my God. Like, can we get past this shit?

Like, I hope this is not the whole interview. And thankfully it wasn't. But nonetheless, there were things that we, that he had talked about during this interview. And to most people, right, there's a lot of people out there, whether it be people that don't listen to our podcast or people that don't talk about this.

Because I don't hear almost any podcast talking about the stuff we have talked about in the past six months, especially about Russia and Ukraine, especially about, you know, the coup. The coup and Israel, Naziism. We have been on this advancement to try to find the truth about all this. And I think throughout many episodes in our past, we have found the truth on that. And so as, and this is historical truth.

This is not just historical truth, but factual and actual truth that's going on and happening right now inside of Ukraine that cannot be denied. We're talking about statues and stuff. We'll talk about later. But at the very least, when we started hearing some of these things that Putin was saying, well, at least from our perspective, knowing what is actually, actually going on in that scenario because we had to study it for other episodes. We're like, he's telling the truth. We know this for a fact.

He is telling the truth. But how do most people think about that? If you're a normal person sees this interview, most people are going to be like, he's a liar. Yeah, because when the war first broke out, he's like, these are neo-Nazis. These are Nazis. And we're like, Ukraine are, they're not Nazis. These are people that just want their own country. And everybody was pro-Ukraine and had their flags everywhere.

and we're standing high by Ukraine. And there's a lot of people that are standing high by Ukraine, including the United States, still today. And I was like, where is he getting this neo-Nazi stuff for? Where's he getting it from? And he does a very good job of explaining why he thinks Ukraine is neo-Nazis. Yeah, because when we first heard that in the beginning of all this, we're like, that's crazy.

Damn, that's crazy to hear. I mean, I don't know if that's true or not. We have no idea. but you know and we'll talk more about that but yeah it's very interesting but to the most people they're going to be like yeah he's a liar yeah listen how he's trying to make ukraine to be nazis now i want to make a very clear point here when we talk about ukraine we're not talking about the people of ukraine we're not talking about there are obviously a ton of great people in ukraine there's also probably shitty people in ukraine very much like the united states or can't look at any whole population

of any country to be all great people right there are always piece of shit people in every single country. The problem that you get into countries and potentials of wars and why wars are happening is leadership. It is the government, right? So when we talk about Ukraine and anything we say about that in this context, I just want to make very clear, we're not talking about the people of Ukraine, right? I think, you know, if any, if anything, the people of Ukraine are victims in a lot of this. They're victims of the West. They're victims of Ukraine. They're victims of

corruption. And their victims potentially also have Russia. We, you know, We don't know, but we're going to talk more about this. So Bill Clinton later says, no, hell no, you're not getting in a Nader. Are you crazy? And so Tucker asked, he said, well, would you have joined Nato? Yeah, and that was interesting. Would you have actually joined Nato? And his response actually was, well, you know, it's very possible if, you know, if they would have said and continue to say, yes, you know what?

Do you want to join NATO? I think that's a good idea. But he was like, no means no. So I just wanted that. It's almost like he wanted the answer of, we're not going to let you in. He almost was saying that that's what he wanted. He just, it's kind of like when you ask a question and you really want a no response, that's what I kind of got because he was like, well, yeah, we might have gone in,

but would have to take negotiations and all these things. Well, you either want in or you don't want in. We're not going to negotiate anything. If you want into NATO, this is the way you get in. Yes, AKA he wanted to see the U.S. position by that question. Exactly. And, and, but what would have happened? And I like Tucker's question here.

What would have happened if the U.S. would have actually went forward and went through with saying, you know what, yeah, we're going to let you in, uh, to NATO. Let's do this. Yeah, he would have. Yeah, well, he said he would negotiate and it would be negotiations on the part of Russia so much that we could not even negotiate it. Which is probably good for Russia, by the way. Right.

I mean, let's just break this down. Getting into NATO is not good for most countries. I mean, it really isn't, especially if you're already a power, which at that time, they were not necessarily the power they are today, right? So we got to keep that in mind. Russia at that time knew that they did not have the power of NATO. And so the only chance Russia had without NATO was to develop the power and, aka nuclear power, hypersonic power, all this stuff that they could potentially defeat the West.

And they had to be at least equal in weaponry, in threats, in all this stuff. And so this was something that he at least was, somewhat either trying to find an answer to or negotiate based on the question with Bill Clinton then. And I thought that was very, very interesting. I think the question was probably more so to see the U.S. position of really how, like, how adversarial are you towards us or how adversarial are you not, right? Like, do you really hate us this much? Like, even if we ask the question and then you come back and basically say F you, you know, you show your cards, even though I know what cards you have. Right.

I want you to show me anyway. Because I just want to make sure that I know where we're at, right? And that's kind of the way I took that. Me too. So anyways, but it's just nuts. So then Putin goes on to talk, you know, obviously after Boris Shelton, Putin became president. You know, he talked about Putin was bitter, but he's like, look, this is not a marriage. Like, this is not bitter.

This is business. This is government. Yes. This is the way it goes. Yeah. And when he was talking about that, I don't know if you want me to bring this up, but it was another president. he actually had respect for President Bush, he said. And this is during the time that we were in the Iraq War.

I don't know if you want to go into that now or not. I don't know what your timeline is. Well, I'm just trying to go through the timeline as the interview happens. The interview is so back and forth. It's so hard to do a timeline on it when it's back and forth like this. So I want to make sure we're straight on topic. That's all good. So, yeah, Putin wasn't bitter.

All NATO members are pressured to comply, right? So that's one of the things, which is another obvious. reason why Russia probably would not have participated in NATO because as Putin says here, which is he is correct, you know, all NATO members, especially to the West, the big bad wolf the West, which is the United States primarily that essentially controls NATO. You know, if the United States wants something, they're going to get it. And, you know, because all these smaller countries that are inside of NATO, they have to comply with what essentially the United States wants them to do.

And more, you know, if you kind of look at it at it this way, these other NATO countries are never allowed to be as powerful as the United States, right? They will never be allowed to be as powerful as the United States. Instead, the United States says, don't worry, as long as you're in NATO, if something happens to you, we will protect you. Article 5 of, you know, I think it's Article 5 that will be enacted. I could be wrong about that. I think it's Article 5. But Article 5 says if you attack a NATO member, then we will activate all of them. NATO to destroy you.

And they don't want to necessarily bite off the hand that feeds them. No, of course not. Talking about the other countries. So they're, according to Putin, there is a lot of pressure on these other countries to do what the United States says to do. Yeah, I mean, it's just like a socialist country, right, to where, you know, you're not going to go against the government that's giving you everything to live, right? I mean, and, you know, the NATO countries, if a country decides they want to pull out of NATO

or they're like, you know what, we're just. done with you, NATO. Peace out. Do you know the hell that's about to rain down on that country? I mean, I'm talking about sanctions, trade, everything. They will be destroyed as a country. And the United States, in that term, is a bully. They are 100% a bully. Although they,

to their defense, they want to say, well, we offer you protection. But there's obviously been wide speculation of how much protection you would actually offer and what would you actually do for a country that, you know, if they're attacked. Why is the United States, the leader of

NATO when it's not even in our neighborhood of the earth, of the world, of the boundaries. Why are we the leader of this place? Because our biggest adversaries are closest to our most allied NATO members, right? So the main reason that United States wanted to create a NATO alliance was they knew they had a bunch of different countries. So essentially, the United States has another whole entire country over in Europe. So it's not just the United States over here. You've got to think about the United States is also over there.

I mean, they're Europe, essentially. Anyone that's in NATO is the United States. And that's the way Russia feels about it. That's the way China feels about it. That's the way other adversarial countries feel about NATO. And so it just seems like a very corrupt system of NATO to say that you're not ever allowed to grow bigger than we are. But also we can use you to our fullest advantage of any time we want to to bully other

countries that we want to bully. I mean, that's kind of what a lot of people see NATO as. being. Now, if you're United States American patriot, you're like, yeah, NATO, fuck yeah. But the reality is. I mean, you've got to think about the reality of this. That is basically what NATO is. So, so there's that. So Putin was also talking about, United States gave terrorist weapons in the Middle East. He'd mentioned that briefly, even though many people don't mention that. But then also, they gave weapons to the adversarial factions inside of Ukraine that were anti-Russia.

Russia and CIA was working with the opposition to Putin and they said it directly. I mean, the CIA themselves basically said this. Well, we need to help these adversarial or sorry, we need to help this oppression of people against Russia. We got to help them. So we'll supply them with this and this and this. And we know the CIA does this very often. They've done this with ISIS.

They've done this with Iraq. Right. Meanwhile, they're terrorists. And we're providing weapons to terrorists. Yes. Like what country does that ever? Well, I guess they do that when they're. terrorists are going after countries that you're adversary with, that you're against.

Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, so they had talked about it. They said, look, you know, the CIA was essentially working against us. They wanted to arm militias or groups of people against Russia. And that's exactly what they did. The CIA basically admitted that themselves. So this was, at this point in the interview, you're starting to think, okay, well, it just seems like, I mean, we don't know, we do know that at the very

least, it seemed like Russia had always been trying to cooperate or at least try to work with the United States. I mean, even if you go to Boris Yeltsin, which we were just talking about, you know, he came in the United States. It was a widely televised. Everybody applauded him. Yes.

And he's like, we want to work with you. We want to be a part of your greatness and your everything. And, you know, was that some propaganda show that Boris Jelson was over here doing? We don't know. But at the very least, that whole part of the interview was pretty convincing. Well, and it's very convincing, too, because of, like I said, before I really started opening my eyes and really understanding what's going on in the world and especially in America with the CIA, he knows what's going on.

And he knows that basically our president is not in charge. Yeah. And we've talked about that many, many, many times. CIA is more in charge than anyone. No, you're absolutely right. So then he also talked about the U.S. missile defense, right? And Putin had serious conversations with Bush Sr. In which Putin also said, look, I think Bush Sr. was pretty cool.

I think it was pretty cool dude. They had a good relationship, he said. Yeah, he said we had a pretty good relationship, although, you know, he was not always pro-Russia. He did not always do things that were good for Russia. Right. But the very least, it seemed like we could, you know, get along on a human being level. and, you know, he had come and visited with Bush Sr. They had talked about this missile defense system, which Bush Sr.

in the United States was working on implementing. And according to Putin, they said this missile defense system was all about Iraq. No, Iran. It was all about Iran. They wanted to Iran or whatever. Iran. Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, it was all about Iran.

And they wanted to kind of come in. And Russia said, look, we're willing to work with you on this missile defense system. and let's see how we can do this. And so, you know, they had a pretty good and faithful conversation about that. And it turned out that pretty much right after he left, and by the way, they had come and visited Russia. So Bush Sr., I believe, Condoleezza Rice, or was it Bush Jr.? Bush Sr. Sorry, Jr.

Yeah, so was George W. Bush. Yeah, that was the thing. So George W. Bush and Conno Lisa Rice then come. also to Russia, to the Kremlin. And they had also talked a little bit about the missile defenses and all this stuff. And then they basically screwed him as well. But they were willing to try to work with him at first until they went and talked to their quote unquote team. Yeah, their advisors.

Those advisors are the CIA, is what Putin's saying. Yeah. Conno Lisa Rice and Bush had come to Russia and agreed to the missile defense. together. But then the U.S. said, no, no thanks. And this was according to Putin himself, based on what we said that we wanted our, you know, contingencies of this. And he did say that. And he said, we had contingencies on this. Like, here's why we want to work with you, but here's our things about this. And it was after that, supposedly they said, nope, we're not doing this. But we also promised, I guess, we were not making this defense system against Russia

that was actually the Middle East. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Now, you're completely right. So at this point, it just seems like, you know, Russia wanted to get into NATO. Now, is that true? I don't know. But the very least, based on a lot of stuff, they, at the very least, I guess,

wanted to work with the United States many times in history. And according to Putin anyway, that United States basically continue to say F you and we're not going to work with you. And he said, go ask your own president. this. I'm not going to answer for them. You go ask your presidents. He was putting it on the table. I know what they said and I know

they're going to have to come out and tell you what happened at this table when we sat down and discussed these things. For those of you that maybe want to try to understand this a little better, and let's just, I'll give you my thoughts on this. Why would the United States continue to say

F you to Russia? And was Russia ever actually sincere about the NATO thing? Because it's like huge one. I think that Russia was probably sincere in the fact of working with the United States and NATO based on their own their own countrytism, their pride in their country and their belief to be a not necessarily sovereign nation, but a nation of their own. They did not want to have to answer to the United States for every and anything. They did not want to answer to NATO for every and anything, but they wanted to work with the United States.

at the very least to have a decent relationship with the United States to where they were not adversarial. And I think any country or any, yeah, basically any country that wants to get into NATO, you have to comply with a bunch of guidelines. And you essentially are no longer your country. You are part of NATO and you now have a NATO stamp right on top of your country. And you're going to adhere to any and everything, the United States and the big leaders in the West and more than likely the World Economic Forum and the elites that go there and meet every year, you're going to answer to them. No longer what you or your people want.

It all has to do with what the West interest is and into their politics and their globalism and whatever to hell they're working on, their progressive politics, that's what you're answering to. And so I believe that regardless of how sincere Russia may have been about NATO or not, it would have never happened because Russia always obviously wanted to be their own country. They wanted to have their own rights and they cared about their people. It seems like Russia actually does care about their people. And so that would have never probably happened.

But at the very least, he did not want a confrontational relationship with the United States. Right. He comes out and says, we are patriots of our own country. Yeah. And that's so weird to hear because you think about Russia and you think they're communists and all these people are living there miserable and they hate their country and they don't like where they live. But I don't necessarily think that is the case. Yeah.

I think our media portrays it that way because our media can do anything they want to. No, you're 100% right. All right. So the next part we got to get into is Ukraine, right? And where did like at the very least since 2012 to 14 and kind of subsequent to that time frame, right? 12, 14, 16, 17. Where did this conflict in 2022 really start? According to Putin, and we've talked about this many times on our podcast as well. Yeah.

I was going to say we've done a whole podcast all about 2014. Absolutely. Yeah, the coup, right? So this is a very important piece, extremely important piece about the Russia-Ukraine conflict, I believe, over anything that Putin said, almost anything Putin said. This is one of the most important parts. And I'll tell you that, in my opinion, this is the most sincere and historically backed up part of the whole speech outside of Nazism, which will get to.

to but we got to play this listen to what very closely by the way whether you've listened this or not before i want you guys to listen again what he says here you go we'll start where are the guarantees none so they started to develop the territory of ukraine whatever is there i have told you the background how this territory developed what kind of relations they were with russia every second or third person there has always had some time with Russia. And during the elections, in already independent sovereign Ukraine, which gained its independence as a result of the declaration of independence. And by the way, it says that Ukraine is a neutral state, and in 2008, suddenly the doors or gates to NATO were open to it.

Oh, come on. This is not how we agreed. Now, all the presidents that have come to power in Ukraine, They relied on electorate with a good attitude to Russia in one way or the other. This is the southeast of Ukraine. This is a large number of people. And it was very difficult to sway this electorate, which had a positive attitude towards Russia. Victoria Yanukovych came to power and how. The first time he won after President Kuchma,

they organized a third round, which is not provided for in the constitution of Ukraine. This is a coup d'etat. Just imagine someone in the United States wouldn't like the outcome. In 2014? Before that. No, this was before that, after President Kuchma, Viktor Yanukovych won the elections.

However, his opponents did not recognize that victory. The U.S. supported the opposition, and the third round was scheduled. What is this? This is a coup. The U.S. supported it and the winner of the third round came to power. Imagine if in the U.S. something was not to someone's liking and the third round of election, which the U.S. Constitution does not provide for, was organized.

Nonetheless, it was done in Ukraine. Okay, Viktor Yushchenko, who was considered the pro-Western politician, came to power. Fine. We have built relations with him as well. He came to Moscow with visits. We visited Kiev. I visited Sue. We met in an informal setting.

If he's pro-Western, so be it. It's fine. Let people do their job. The situation should have developed inside the independent Ukraine itself. As a result of Kuchma's leadership, things got worse and Viktor Yanukovych came to power after all. Maybe he wasn't the best president and politician. I don't know.

I don't want to give assessments. However, the issue of the association with the EU came up. We have always been lenient to this, suit yourself. But when we read through the Treaty of Association, it turned out to be a problem for us, since we had the free trade zone and open customs borders with Ukraine, which under this association had to open its borders for Europe, which would have led to flooding of our market.

We said, no, this is not going to work. We shall close our borders with Ukraine then. The customs borders, that is. Yanukovych started to calculate how much Ukraine was going to gain, how much to lose, and said to his European partners, I need more time to think before signing. The moment he said that, the opposition began to take destructive steps, which were supported by the West.

It all came down to Maidan and a coup in Ukraine. So he did more trade with Russia than with the EU. Ukraine did. Of course. It's not even the matter of trade volume, although for the most part it is. It is the matter of cooperation size, which the entire Ukrainian economy was based on. All right, so there you go. So what he's basically talking about here is in 2014, there was a coup.

According to Putin, and according to many historians and people that really knew this subject, And we've talked about this on the podcast as well. There was a third term that came up. They wanted a Western or pro-Western president inside of Ukraine because at the time, they had a more pro-Russian president. And so then, and keeping in mind also, based on our earlier podcast, we knew that the CIA director, I think it was like, not only did he visit a year before the protest happened, aka riots, aka overthrow the government.

Right. You think January 6th. 2008 to 2014. Sorry. Yeah, you think the overthrow of the government was bad. Or sorry. In that situation, I mean, everyone wants to talk about January 6th. This was nothing like January.

This was pretty violent. This was potentially CIA involved or funded or organized coup against the pro-Russian sitting president at a time in 2014. They then ushered in a pro-Ukrainian, pro-West president. Not even pro-Ukrainian. Pro-West president. that would do what the West wanted them to do because keeping in mind, Russia had continually under the treaties and under all this stuff said, you do not expand eastward. NATO should never expand eastward yet they expanded five times after this.

And this was after the meetings with Bush. This was after the meetings with Clinton. This was after all these attempts by Russia to say, look, we will do, you know, we'll chill, we'll do our own thing. But you do not expand one inch east of where you're at. But what did the United States do? Well, they expanded five times east by NATO. And so then it comes to 2014 to where, obviously, Ukraine, being on the southern border of Russia,

and also many Russians were living in this country, and still are, by the way. You then had this coup to essentially put in a pro-Western president. You had riots. You had all this crazy shit going on. There were not only people that didn't like the outcome of the, of the, this that were writing. There were people writing against the people that didn't like the outcome of this. And then all along, you had the CIA and CIA involvement potentially involved in this for at least a couple years. And you had the CIA director stepping foot on the grounds of Ukraine

during this time. You had all this involvement. And then, you know, subsequent to the new treaties and even Putin said, look, okay, so we have a pro-West president now, regardless of we knew it was a coup or not, we'll try to work. And keep you to mind, this is all what Putin's saying. We're just Saying what he's saying. We'll try to work with him until we read through the treaties, which the West was basically backing instead of Ukraine and Russia trading. They wanted to shift that completely to Europe. Right. And they wanted to kill off part of the U.S.

or sorry, not the U.S., but the Russian economy. Yeah. And they're like, this is not going to happen. Yeah. But it's so funny in the United States, the whole time the first election with Hillary. Clinton and Trump, there was all this Russian collusion stuff going on. And they're blaming Russia for getting involved in, you know, that we stole, or not we, or Trump stole the election in 2016. Yeah.

Meanwhile, that's all been proven to be fake. And America is messing with their elections. Sounds like it, right? I mean, you know, there's a lot of people that believe that America messes with America's election elections. And by the way, guys, there's a huge new piece that has come out about the 2020 election. This is a new study based on a unbiased, you know, nonpartisan research group, which we're going to have an episode on very soon. We also might mention it with Jacob Chansley, obviously, since he is a J6 prisoner or was, an insurrectionist, as they called him. We'll talk about all that in the future.

So you had this coup. We've talked about extensively. all the involvement on that. You guys will just have to go back and look at any of our Russia Ukraine stuff. We probably named it. I can't even remember what the title would be now. So now we're at this position where now in 2014, you have a pro-Western government. You have a pro-Western president.

And much like Zelensky. Zelensky is a very much pro-Western president. You know, and we're fighting in this war through proxy by spending billions. and billions and billions and billions of dollars on a war with Russia. And we are doing this at the behest of basically scaring people into, according to Putin, that Putin is the greatest threat to all of humankind. And Russia is going to launch a nuclear strike. We have to make everyone scared about this.

And which is why keep giving us your money, taxpayers. You got to keep giving us this money for Ukraine because we got to protect Ukraine. Because if we don't protect Ukraine, Biden already said, your children might be fighting in Ukraine. if you don't give money, then we're going to send your kids to fight then, which is absolutely ass backwards crazy. And we've talked about it on many podcasts about Ukraine and our relations with Ukraine, even before this war, and especially the Biden's relationships with Ukraine. And it makes total sense why we're funding this war,

because, you know, you talk about all the Hunter Biden things going on. It opens up a whole other can of work. Yes. Yeah. And as we talked about, the U.S. promised not to go a single inch east, but they expanded five times. And they opened the door to Ukraine. You know, this was the other big issue in 2014 and even probably earlier and especially Zelensky. They kept opening the border to Ukraine to join NATO, which was a huge no-no to Russia, especially considering if you understand the history throughout the Bush term and Clinton, even before that, when they had talked about, look, we don't want NATO to expand one inch each. according to Putin and the United States, by the way, back then, they said, we're not going to go east because Russia does not want us to do that. We understand that. But yet they did it. They did it five times. And then in 2014, after the coup and after potentially CIA involvement there, they opened a door to Ukraine to potentially join NATO. So then even before this 2022 onslaught of an invasion of Russia, right before that was a potential, especially given everything that the United States knew about the conflict and the problem. that Russia had with this whole entire situation, what did the Biden administration do? They sent freaking Kamala Harris to Zelensky and did this huge news conference and this whole

presser to make it look like they were about to introduce Ukraine into NATO. This was an instigation is exactly what it was. The United States needed an instigation. They wanted to make sure that Russia would invade and they did. they did so by literally appearing with Zelensky, the president of Ukraine, the pro-West president, and they, Kamala Harris made this presser. They said, yeah, we can't, you know, Zelensky is a great man, he's this and that, we're definitely open to bringing them into NATO.

They were just spitting in the face of Russia, is what it appeared. And so that in many people's minds very much instigated why Russia made the final decision to say, we're done with us. we're done and we'll do whatever we can to do this obviously subsequent to that there's been billions and billions and billions of u.s taxpayer dollars that have been funded to ukraine through a proxy war we have had militias on the ground we've talked to one of them uh because they are i mean not a militia but mercenaries i guess some would call them they are not uh necessarily fighters for the country although you know jd for example is actually a fighter of the country but now um and we do very much like

JD. I mean, I respect the hell out of what he's doing. He loves the people of Ukraine. And listen, I believe him. The people of Ukraine are probably amazing people. This is what we were talking about earlier. And when you go and meet these people that are desperate to try to protect their land that they live in and country, right. But we have to

understand that politics and leaders and elites and all this shit calls all of this. And we don't 100% know who is absolutely a fault in all of this, but all it does is screw the people in the end. And I have to go with believing Putin on this thing as far as Zelensky is concerned, which is really hard to

believe. But if you listen to what he's saying and you think about what's going on, you know, Ukraine is this little country. And Zelensky is a Jew. Yeah. But he's allowing neo-Nazi influence in his country is what Putin's saying. And Putin's against that completely. He's against Nazi at all.

And he does, he cannot deal. with that is what he was saying. And he said that Zelensky's own father was fighting against fascism or neo-Nazis. Yeah, and World War 2. Yeah. But here is Zelensky is a Jew, and he's pro, and the reason why

he said, you can even believe that, when he went to Canada, he was pro-Nazi, and everybody got up and applauded for him. Yeah, he was literally commending a Nazi figure, leader, that literally, you know, he

fought, for Nazis and killed Jews and Russians and Poles. Because if you think about it wasn't just Jews that Nazis were killing. It was Russians. It was Russians. Yeah, it was Polish. Yeah, it was all these people. And yet Zelensky stood in front of Canadian parliament and put this guy on a pedestal. But keeping also in mind, we got to talk briefly.

And we're and we also got to get in. Actually, before we get in Naziism stuff, I do want to get into Putin's comments on the Nord Stream pipeline because that was a big one. Yeah. The Nord Stream pipeline was destroyed. It was done very tactfully. Or I guess you can say not tactfully, but it was done very technical. It was a very technical operation.

Well, somebody that has interest and capabilities to do these things is what Putin said. Yeah, for sure. But here is what he thinks or who he thinks potentially blew up the Nord Stream pipeline. Here you go. Who blew up Nordstream? you for sure I was busy that day Nate

I did not pull up North Stream Thank you though You personally may have an alibi but the CIA has no such alibi Did you have evidence that NATO or the CIA did it? You know I won't get into details but people always say in such cases,

look for someone who is interested. But in this case, we should not only look for someone who is interested, but also for someone who has capabilities, because there may be many people interested, but not all of them are capable of sinking to the bottom of the Baltic Sea and carrying out this explosion. These two components should be connected, who is interested and who is capable of doing it.

But I'm confused. I mean, that's the biggest act of industrial terrorism. ever, and it's the largest emission of CO2 in history. Okay, so if you had evidence and presumably given your security services or intel services, you would, that NATO, the U.S., CIA, the West did this. Why wouldn't you present it and win a propaganda victory? In the war of propaganda, it is very difficult to defeat the United States because the United States controls all the world's media and many European media.

the ultimate beneficiary of the biggest European media are American financial institutions. Don't you know that? So it is possible to get involved in this work, but it is cost prohibitive, so to speak. All right, so there you go. So who is interested and who is capable to sink to the bottom of the Baltic Sea and pull off some attacks such as the Nord Stream Pipeline? Now I remember when this happened, by the way, North Stream Pipeline supplies a heavy amount of oil to,

Europe and including Germany. Yes, Germany's a big one. Germany's a NATO country. Germany didn't say a damn word about anything because they can't. What are they going to say? Can't believe that you guys did this. Oh, you're going to say something? Go ahead. Say something one time.

Say something one time and see what happens to you through however we got to do it, right? But also I found it very interesting that the Western media during this time, you know, they were trying to blame it on Russia. Blaming their own country. Yeah, they're blaming on Russia, which. is, you know, the Nord Stream supplied so much oil to Russia. It was like, why the hell would they blow up their own pipeline? Or at least the pipeline is supplied so much to Russia and out of Russia.

And there was Nord Stream 1, North Stream 2 was heavily damaged. This is an attack that, you know, who is capable and who is willing? Well, we have to look at who is capable, right? So he talks about the CIA here. But if you actually talk about military tactics here, you got to think that, well, who are the best underwater demolition experts in the world? is the Navy Seals. The Navy Seals are by far the best at underwater demolition of any military or paramilitary

organization on the planet. And so potentially was it them? What we did know at the very least was there was some type of quote unquote military exercise not too far from where this happened, right? And so was it the United States that did it? I mean, come on, dude. You can kind of lead to that conclusion for yourself. but I thought it was very interesting to this point,

especially all we talk about in this podcast. Tucker says, you could have won a propaganda war here by really going after the United States as far as who did this, right? And Putin says, oh, there's no way you're going to win a propaganda war against the United States. He said, do you realize that how much media they own?

And media controls propaganda. Propaganda is media. And so if you think about that, not only does the United States obviously own the government of the United States, which we've talked about so many times, not only that they own media, such as mainstream media primarily in the United States, and they own it through various financial institutions, which is what Putin said. But beyond that, not only just financial institutions, the United States have control over that, but they also have control over pharmaceutical industries and all these companies that pay very heavily into mainstream media. We look at media in the United States now and think that is some type of independent. media organizations that have no contact or or plan or agenda for the United States government. And it's all for you.

It's all to report the news. And maybe at one point in time, to some degree, it was more so than it is now. But now I believe it is completely controlled and operated by the United States government. And there is a complete agenda with the media. Absolutely. And not just mainstream media, social media. That was why it was such a huge thing when, you know, at the very least, Elon Musball X, even though I still don't think X is completely freedom of speech.

I think Elon's going to have to do some real soul searching, not soul searching, but digging of who are your plants in your own, you know, in your own company. Because I'm telling you they're still there. I don't even like his CEO that, you know, he hired Linda Yaccarino. She was a World Economic Forum girl. She's, I don't personally believe that she's really out for 100% freedom of now they're better than anyone else, keep in mind. I mean, there are things that we can post on there.

We don't barely get a reach though, so I don't know what that means. If we post something and say you have thousands of followers, but you get 100 reach and you can tell I will post certain taglines or words, right? It can be COVID. It can be vaccine. It could be so much. You might get 60 views. But if you post something that is not so controversial, you'll get 500,000 reach, right? So there's obviously still.

Issues. Yeah, there's shadow banning. There's all this shit still happens. happening. There's no question about that. It goes all back to media and who controls media. Yeah, like Twitter files, for example. You remember when the Twitter files happened, we found out that, you know, through Elon Musk buying Twitter, that the United States government, FBI, other organizations were directly working with Twitter, also had agents or past agents, quote unquote, working for the company. Essentially, it was another arm of the United States government. It was another speaking head of the United States government was Twitter, which is why everyone. got banned that was against the adversarial opinions of anything that their agenda was trying to tell you or trying to make you believe. Same with Facebook. There was another independent

investigation on Facebook where it showed hundreds of either CIA agents or FBI agents that were employed and some of the security or information or all of these various departments inside of Facebook. So our media in general is completely and completely infiltrated. It is completely controlled and I still even think to a lot of degree so is X. You know, there's people, it's interesting. There are people that say, well, hey, I, you know, I only talk on signal or I only talk on this because it's encrypted or it's this. I'm going to tell you right now, there's nothing encrypted by the U.S.

government. Nothing. I mean, I don't give a damn what you try to talk on in any digital form at all. There is absolutely zero anything that you could potentially. use that the United States government could not access or have access already. Now, there are cell phones out there that you can buy with completely encrypted and standalone operating systems. But even that, you don't know what maybe the United States government has involved in

that particular operating system. They may have literally created the operating system to give it out there just to try to see who the hell is who, especially in the big players that are willing enough. to go to those links to get operating system on the telephone. And we're talking about mainly social media when you're talking about all this. But we got to go back to media and who media is back to buy. Because media is what most people see on TV all around the world. And that's what Putin was talking about.

You cannot fight media that is so democratic and they're owned by a certain party. And they're only going to let things go that they want people. They're going to put out things that they want people to believe and see. And that's it. Yeah, and it's not, you're right. And it's not just. And so he's like, I can't fight this. Yeah.

I can't fight the media. And you think about the media in America alone, there's not even one news station that's totally unbiased, not one. Most of them are all democratic. I think there's a couple that are middle and then there's a couple that are like, you know, leaning right a little bit naming Fox and News Nation. Absolutely. But most of the news agencies are owned by the people that want you to believe in what they want you to believe in. Yeah. Yeah.

And better yet, he even talked about it's not just the United States. United States owns much of European media and world media. Yeah, exactly. Which is why, you know, you go back to border issues and all this stuff. You go back to mass migration. You go back to countries that are literally just freaking falling apart because of mass migration. replacement theory as we call it. As most people call it, it's not a theory.

It's actually what's happening. You look at Europe, Canada, I don't know about Australia as much, but especially Europe, especially Ireland, especially United States, and even Canada, you know, all these places, by the way, are probably heavily involved or operated or funded by the United States government or the United States government has some control over that.

And yet the United States mainstream media wants you to believe that Russia don't allow this. and their people are not allowed to see the truth and this and this and all this. What they're really saying is Russia is not allowing their people to see Western propaganda. That's what they're saying.

Although they tell you that they're not allowing their people to see the truth. But as all of the world is starting to find out, what we're seeing all over the world is bullshit. So, I mean, literally. I mean, this is what we've been ingesting for so long. And which is also why Western countries have a disease, it a mental sickness.

We have so many, mental, mental problems in this country in the West alone that I mean, we're talking about we've never seen shit like this before. And Putin brings that up about, well, it's actually Tucker that talks about the two hemispheres and how they're divided. And Putin had a really good point about that. You think about two hemispheres. Well, your brain has two hemispheres, but it's in one head.

Yeah. And I thought that was really interesting because that's exactly what it's going on. And when you have a disease, the disease spreads on both hemispheres. Yeah. And what Putin did also say about that is like, you know, we're all human beings, though. And unfortunately, you know, it is the way it is. You know, the Western liberalism and the progressive push to just completely go crazy with a lot of things is an issue that Russia doesn't want any part of. Russia is an Orthodox country.

They are a Christian country, according to Putin. even Tucker asked him a question. He said, well, if you're so Christian, why are you killing all these people? Why are you killing these people? And, you know, keeping in mind, I don't know if anyone has read the Bible. The Bible is pretty violent.

Yeah, and listen, Tucker's point to this is why are you killing innocent people? I think what he was trying to say here. But do we understand that the United States is a quote unquote Christian nation? We've always been known as a Christian nation. Do you know how many people the United States have killed? Yeah, but we're progressively going away from religion. in the United States. But Putin made a great, and this was a quote,

and I'm going to try to remember it off the top of my head. He said, it's man's laws that cause war in death, not God. Yeah. And he was basically saying, because of the laws that are in place and the things that we're doing as men is causing death and war. So he didn't believe this was coming from God. Yeah, you're right. Now, this journalist is over there as well.

I want to bring this up. In prison American journalist Evan and his name is Gersh Gersakovich you know, Tucker Carlson came out and said hey, as a sign of good faith, you know, since we're in Russia, would you let us

get him and take him home? Yeah, I thought that was pretty interesting. Tucker said that and he was and I'm sure most of you have heard the interview and I want you guys to all go to either X or Tucker Carlson.com or whatever. If you've not heard the entire interview, you've got to listen to.

do the entire interview. We're breaking down really the most key and important points here. But yeah, basically Putin said, no, he is espionage. He gained access to classified documents. And whether knowingly or not, he gained access. He's breaking the law. Man's law. And there were even there were even times where it seemed like Putin wanted to allude that he was working for special services. Right, like CIA or something. Or FBI or whoever, we don't know. But, you know, Putin kept referring to special services in the West,

such as probably like three-letter agencies. Right. But they were in discussions with how to let him go. He's like, we don't want this guy here. But I don't believe that. If you don't want him here, let him go. Let him go with Tucker. That would be a great, good faith, Russian thing to do.

Yeah. If you want to stop everything that's going on in the world right now, especially with Russia, United States and Ukraine. but he was not willing to do that. And this guy, I guess, is a pretty young guy. He is a reporter. Tucker pretty much said that this guy, you know, Putin, is not a spy. We both know that.

But how do we know that, though? I don't know. Putin was like, okay, I know he's not a spy. No, he didn't say that. Well, he said it's espionage. It doesn't matter. He was getting classified information to report on. And when you do that and you do that in secrecy is espionage.

And that's why he's in our jails. Well, you have to understand, too, with this reporter situation from the Wall Street Journal, Wall Street Journal, by the way, if you look at the entire conflict between the United States and Russia, if I am Putin and I am president of Russia, I am going to be looking extremely vigilant to any United States citizen that comes into my country, but especially reporters that work for mainstream media, which, as we've just talked about, Right. They would be the perfect. The United States is the one that primarily controls mainstream media. Yeah, that's true.

So, you know. And those are they're perfect people to get in CIA because we all know CIA uses normal everyday people to implant into different countries to spy on. That's what we do. And it would almost be too obvious for the CIA or an agency to put a reporter as a CIA operative or someone that's gaining information. but at the same time, it's also kind of smart because then you can play the role of, oh, he's just an innocent journalist. Oh, you don't like journalism?

Are you that dictatorship? Are you that communist? Are you that authoritarian? That you're going to lock up one of our journalists just for trying to do journalism? What Putin should do here, by the way, is he should prove whatever classified documents that this reporter, if he did,

if he did actually get classified documents, prove it. Show it to the world. Because if he did, then a journalist should not be getting classified documents in a very adversarial country at all. Because if he was actually obtaining classified information, actual classified documents, any way, shape, or form, which I don't know that he was, not saying he was. If he wasn't, then he should be released immediately. If he was, though, you know, I mean, damn, you know.

And I don't know, I could not really read Putin's responses to that as like, did he really feel like he was CIA? did he not. But he was almost using this guy. I don't think he knew. But I think that he's also using this guy as a pun. Yeah, absolutely. Well, of course he would.

Because that's what you're supposed to do. Well, listen, there's a reason why you do that. Because if for some reason, by the way, does anyone realize probably how many Russian, quote unquote, spies are in custody in the United States? Probably tons. I mean, tons. You could go through so many of them.

Putin would probably have to sit there and go through a list of, hey, if we want this guy released, who is our top person we weren't released out of the United States? This happens all the time. And by the way, much of these people are very much in disguise as Russian spies that come over to the United States. They might work for a company, Chinese spies, same way,

work for a tech company or whatever. We just don't know. We don't know if this guy is a spy or not. We don't know. We don't also know that he is, right? And so I don't know what the question there is. But he was like, I want him to go home and we're in negotiation about that. But I don't know.

I don't know. I don't believe that as much, right? I would like to say that the Wall Street Journal guy is probably not a spy. But we just don't know. We don't know. But that leads me to believe or to think about, and I'm getting off track a little bit. But you remember the basketball girl that was there during the Olympics? Brittany Griner.

Yes. And she had to go to jail because she had marijuana. or whatever. And they did eventually let her go, but why did they lock her up over marijuana? Is it because of the marijuana or is it because she was a lesbian? Because I'm just saying they're Russia, they don't believe in stuff like that.

Yeah, but you also saw how much the United States went after her, but yet didn't give a shit about our soldiers that are over there. I know. The soldiers still there. Yeah. I think he still was, yeah. But it was all about, and hell, who knows, that could have been Russia's whole plan.

to make it very obvious what the United States actual interest is. I mean, if you think about it. Right, because they were going after a lesbian basketball player, getting her out of there and that we're not rescuing somebody that protects and serves our country. Yeah, we're not against lesbian or anything. We're just saying that the agenda of what the United States wants to push all the time now is, who do you go after? A veteran or a... Yeah, and while Putin makes that very clear.

He is not about, you know, same-sex marriage. He's, you know, they're orthodox Christians. And that's what they believe in. And he's against, you know, same-sex marriage. And he makes it very vocal about it. No, I agree. And so listen, he also talked about Elon Musk and AI. He says that maybe there should be some rules placed on Elon Musk

because obviously Elon Musk is implanting neuralinks and people's brains now. He is in some parts going kind of unrestricted in that avenue. and and then, you know, he also talked about, you know, reestablishing communications with the United States. How is that going to happen? He's not talked to Joe Biden since before 2022. Joe Biden has no interest basically in talking to him because, you know, they are making a lot of money on this war. Probably the politicians are making a lot of money on Ukraine war. Well, and not only Joe doesn't want to talk to him, President Zelensky of Ukraine signed a decree that he will not talk to Russia

at all and have no negotiations with him. Now, keeping in mind, you know, there was the section of East Ukraine, right, that had a, all they wanted was a peaceful settlement of, that settlement was mostly Russians on the east side of Ukraine, according to Putin and according to many other people, they also knew that most of the Russians lived in, I think it was the Donbass region and some of these other regions inside of Ukraine. And Putin, according to Putin, said, hey, we want to make sure that you guys do not not harm these people.

Gordon of Putin was the real reason they really went in at the very last second was that the Ukrainian government in Zelensky was not going to promise to not attack the Ukrainians that live there and they wanted to take back of that land even from the Russians that live there, right? And so is that true or not? We don't know. But there have been a lot of reports about that about Ukraine was attacking daily. Their own people.

well I mean but they were primarily Russian people in that region of Ukraine well we don't know 100% if that's true or not you guys can check it out now before we get into we're not going to be much longer we're about to wrap this up but the most important part not most important part I think the NATO part is the important part Naziism

right why we when we talked about in the very beginning of the Russian Ukraine war you know we used to watch this guy Patrick Lancaster we've asked JD about him JD knew who he was we've actually asked Patrick Lancaster come on a many times. Patrick Lancaster has never responded,

which is very interesting. I mean, and even many of you listeners have, I've literally went to his videos before and saw like 40 or 50 comments on his videos of coming from our podcast saying, go on investigative podcast. They want to talk to you.

They want to get your side of the opinion because they had a guy from Ukraine. They want to get your side. They want to ask you questions. I mean, it's not like a, it's not like we're trying to do a hit piece. But Patrick Lancaster is, you know,

he's on the Russian, well, he's an American veteran. He is now a journalist. He's been covering the Russia situation in Ukraine for since, I guess, 2013 or 14. So he's been involved in this for a very long time. And so when he goes and reports on this war since 2022, he has been with Russian troops. And he has been and he's interviewed people in Ukraine. And, you know, I don't know who the hell they're interviewing, but at the very least, these Ukrainian people a lot of times thought the Ukraine themselves were attacking them.

And a lot of times they would blame the Azov Battalion. And Patrick Lancaster would also blame the Azov Battalion. Now, why does the Azov Italian mean anything? Well, the Azov Battalion is a primarily what seems to be a Nazi, I guess, squadron or whatever with the Ukrainian military. I don't know if I'm 100% accurate or not. You guys can look up Azov Italian and what that means. I would look it up probably not on.

Google, but Azov battalion, a lot of the soldiers in that unit, they have Nazi symbols on their uniforms. I mean, this is just the truth. And so a lot of times Patrick Lancaster would interview a lot of people, even old heads. And I call it when I call old heads, I mean, like the people that know the block. The OGs. The OGs. Yeah.

They would interview these people in Ukraine. And they were like, no, these are Ukrainians. They're attacking us. Like, there's no question. And many of them would cite Azov Italian in this group. And I found it interesting as we were at or after we were reporting on the Azov battalion of Ukraine. When we first reported on that, it was just like, oh my God, there's no such thing as Naziism in Ukraine. There's no such thing.

That's all the Western media want to say. All mainstream media. There's, oh, Nazis. That's bullshit. That's just something Putin's trying to say. But then as things started coming out, they started to almost try to separate themselves from the Azov Italian. Western media didn't want to talk about Azov Italian because there were pictures coming out everywhere of swastik. on their uniforms and all this shit.

And so there was a lot of stuff that was coming out about Azalbate. And I think we did ask J.D. about that. I'll have to go back and listen or try to get the opinion on that. But my point is that at the very least, there is Nazism inside of Ukraine.

And Putin made it very clear that they still, at least the government, at least the government very much looks up to Nazism. And even as Zelenskyy's father fought in World War too to defend against Nazism, you know, supposedly. And then, you know, apparently Zelensky being a Jew himself, they have flags, they have

statues, they have all of this of leaders all around Ukraine that are Nazis. And it was very interesting during the interview, Tucker says, well, Hitler's been gone for 80 years. He's been dead for 80 years. Why are you worried about Hitler anymore? Yeah. He said, he laughed. He's like, Hitler, yes, has been dead for 80 years.

80 years, but his ideas still live on through Ukraine. Absolutely. He said, look at what you said, the heroes, the statues. That's what they're worshipping in Ukraine. And we just can't have that. That's why I call them neo-Nazis. Yeah. And I always wondered, why is Russia calling them Nazis?

That makes no sense. But it does kind of make sense as he explains it that way. Yeah. And by the way, this is not folklore. This is not misinformation. This is factual. I mean, we've looked it up statistically. We've literally looked up.

Are there statues of Nazi leaders all across Ukraine? Are there flags that have Nazi leadership or insignia or whatever? Yes, there are. And the reason why Zelensky, according to Putin, is all about these leaders is because this is a Western thing. So he almost said that United States is still pro-Nazi. Yeah. And I don't know what to think about that. Well, okay, keep in mind.

Because you think about, okay, Nazis or against Jews and what's going on, you know, you have to bring up Israel-Humas war going on. Most people in America are protesting, you know, on the Israeli side. They don't like what's going on in Hamas. That would be. Which is strange. Yeah. But that would be pro-Nazi to me. No.

Yeah, they're, there, if they are defending the loss. Oh, no, no, no, yeah, I see what you're saying. Well, yeah, there's a lot of people in the United States, yeah, for sure. But a lot of the Democrat leaders are having to take the side of Israel, even though they have also not taken the side of Israel in the past. It's a very interesting thing. And I think it, I think it's like almost a switch. Well, it is, but I think it goes back to military industrial complex because they, who's paying them the money? I'll say whatever the hell I got to say.

Like, who side them on? Who side him on, Lockheed Martin? You just tell me, am I Jewish? today or am I pro-Palestinian? I mean, I don't know. Or am I BLM or I'm Antifa today. You just let me know what I need to know, right? I mean, and this is literally why we don't understand what the hell is going on. It all has to do with money, bureaucracy, and the push for globalism and New World Order. But listen, I think Nazism thing is a very interesting concept. But you say, well, why does the United States and how is the United States maybe involved? Not even why, but I think you said,

like, you know, well, we got to remember and go back to Operation. Do you remember what the operation was? Which one? Paperclip. Yeah, I was going to say paperclip. So Operation Paperclip was when we brought over Nazi scientists, which essentially started NASA. They started a large, massive part of our government. Nazis in the United States. Do you think that that system just died out?

Probably not. And so we just don't know what the ideologies of our leaders are at all anymore. But at the very least, you know, know, when you have, when you have things going on in the world right now to where even in South Africa, you have this leader that potentially may be elected within a few months that is calling for a genocide in South Africa of all white people. They want to kill all whites. And yet there's no international outrage. The Western media doesn't give a shit. You don't even hear about that. No, but it's fact. I mean, we posted it on our X account, which I encourage you guys to go to

our X account, investigate our podcast, just look us up. That is where we post a lot of stuff. we don't typically maybe won't get to on the podcast, but I post a video and it talks. They literally talk to this guy, multiple interviews of a guy that is having a lot of support, apparently in South Africa. And they question them and said, so are you saying that maybe not right now,

but at some time you might have to kill all whites? He's like, well, I'm not saying necessarily that I'm going to kill him, but, and then they said, well, are you saying that you're not going to kill him? And they said, well, I'm not saying I'm not going to kill him. I'm just saying, I don't know if it'll be, me or someone else, but at some point in time, somebody's going to kill him. Someone's going to kill these whites. And it goes back to race.

Yeah. And you have to understand, you know, Jew is a religion, but it's also a race. And that's the difference between, and that was a whole different topic about the whole religion thing with Putin that was brought up. But Jews and whites, I consider kind of the same thing, or blacks or Hispanics. It all goes together. That's their, their ideology. identity, I guess.

Well, and that's one of the things that Putin said was he said there was a, there was an instance to where we had like 10 or 15 Russian soldiers that encountered these seven Ukrainian soldiers. And they all had guns pointed at the Ukrainian soldiers. And they said, you either drop your weapons and surrender or you're dead. And the Ukrainian soldiers look back to them and said, Russians don't surrender. And then Putin said, and we killed them. Yeah.

So, and but, but it was, it was just a, it was just a thing of a lot of these people that are even, I don't know, according to Putin and some others, some of these people were being forced to fight maybe in Ukrainian military that are, that were in Ukraine as Russians. But at the very least, there's a lot of Russians inside of Ukraine. Right. And, you know, they even wanted to, Ukraine wanted to, I guess, according to Putin, they destroyed the orthodox, the orthodox Russian church inside of Ukraine. and, you know, I think Tucker asked them, why would they do that? Because, you know, you can defeat a church, but you cannot defeat the connection with the soul and the religion. And so they wanted to defeat the only semblance of unity, although that's still, there's still unity there. But there's just, you know, and that and that's the reality of politics and elitism and government and politics is that to kind of wrap this up a little bit in my final thoughts, or actually know,

We got to get to what Tucker's thoughts are on this as well. I do want to bring up to the fact that when we're talking about religion and you talk about wars, wars have been going on from the beginning of the time as we know it in the Bible. It's still going on and the majority of the rules are based on religion. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I mean, there's been so many wars started from religion, beliefs, culture, systems, all these things. But I think now it's almost shifting more out of religion and more for money and bureaucracy. and a religion for people, for elitism, for power. I mean, and it's still kind of a religion.

We see so many of these movements that are becoming religions. Exactly. And most people don't even understand what's going on right now. You know, when they used to talk about sheep following, I never understood what are sheep. Why are they calling them sheep? But I so get it now. Yeah.

Yeah, well, there's a lot of people that are sheep. There's a lot of people so still asleep. And that's what we've got to do. we got to somehow just desperately try to wake people up. And we've had, you know, listen, you know, our podcast, and I'll say this before we get into what Tucker's thoughts are on, what his thoughts are on the interview. But, you know, we are a controversial podcast

because we speak the truth about what is going on. You know, we really do. We try to speak our truth and our best possible scenario of what the truth is, and it's tough. It is very tough sometimes to figure what that is. But what I can say is that in 2024, there's a lot that has been shifted. There are people out there that listen to this podcast,

and they hate our guts, man. And we posted this the other day. And I'm going to mention, I don't give a shit about those people, by the way. I really don't. But I'm mentioning it. I'm going to pray for them. Yeah, I'm mentioning it because there is a battle

and a warfare going on against truth right now. And I promise you guys, if we posted some of these comments and some of these emails and some of these things we get from people, anything from death threats to just trying to say the worst of the worst shit, I mean, and which is fine. But the reality of this is, is that I want to give those people a message. The truth is going to win. Absolutely. And that's what we seek. We seek the truth. We're not looking for people believing in what we want you to believe in.

We go for the truth and we put it out there and whatever it is. And maybe sometimes our opinions are not totally correct. I don't know. Yeah, we don't know. Sometimes, you know, we don't know. But at least, you know, value and respect where we're coming from instead of telling us that you want to slit our throat. Yeah, or whatever, yeah. Which is fine.

I mean, you know, you just better hope you get the jump is all I can say. But anyways, I want to play this. And then we're going to give our thoughts, our final thoughts on what we believe. believe about this interview. Do we believe Putin? Do we not? And we're going to give our thoughts. But here is Tucker's thoughts on the interview after the fact, because I think it's very important to kind of hear what Tucker says as far as did you believe Putin? Did you not? What was some of the things you maybe could have done better or not? I don't know if Tucker will say that here. I don't necessarily think he does. But nonetheless, listen to what Tucker has to say post

interview. Here you go. A couple of quick perceptions. One, Putin is not someone who does a lot of interviews. Well, really any interviews. He's in an interview in almost four years. He's not good at explaining himself. I didn't think he's smart. There's no question about that. But he's clearly spending a lot of time in a world where he doesn't have to explain himself. So he, I'm sort of piecing to, that's one of the reason I'm having trouble thinking. about the interview as a whole because he didn't sort of lay out his case very coherently, though if you listen carefully and we're there for a long time talking to him, a couple of things rose to the surface.

One, he's very wounded, and I suggest this, but of course he denied it, but it's obvious. He's very wounded by the rejection of the West. The United States doesn't like Russia, the U.S. government, doesn't like Russia. I think like a lot of Russians, he expected the end of the Cold War would be sort of Russia's invitation into Europe or sort of into Europe because it is a European country that's half in Asia. But there's a lot that's European about it. And if you come to Moscow, it's a very European city, you see it, and you can feel it culturally. And the West projected Russia. And maybe, you know, I'm not even taking sides of this. Maybe they were good reasons. I don't know if they would be,

but in case the West was determined not to be allied with Russia. That's very obvious. That's the whole point of NATO, I guess, is to contain Russia. And Putin is wounded by it. He's very upset about it. His eyes flashed. When we talked about that, as we did, you know, for probably over an hour, he didn't have a coherent theory that he was willing to tell me anyway as to why that is. Russia's not an expansionist power. Sorry. You're not supposed to say that because all the Tory and New Orleans and all the liars and the ideologues who run the State Department. want to make him into this, you know, Hitler, Imperial Japan. But the truth is that that's just false. It's just stupid, actually. I've been an idiot to think that. Russia's too big already. It's

the biggest landmass in the world. They only have 150 million people. And they've got, you know, 80-some, effectively provinces or semi-independent states, but different nationalities and religions and languages. And, I mean, imagine managing all that. They've got more than enough natural resources. They're swimming in natural resources. They don't have enough people in their view. So the idea that they want to take over Poland, why would you want to do that? They just want secure borders. Maybe they're too paranoid about it. Totally possible.

Again, not taking sides. But the idea that they're going to roll into Vienna or something, you'd have to be like an idiot to think that. It's just not true. There's no evidence of it, actually. And the professional liars in Washington really don't know anything about the area or really anything about the world beyond New York have convinced themselves or anything. Or I think is trying to convince you that this guy's Hitler and he's trying to take the civilian land or something. It's like not analogous in any way. Whatever Putin's many faults, okay, it's not an expansionist power.

So I can't even recall my point exactly. Other than he is, to the extent he's angry and that it's obvious. He's angry because he feels like, whoa, why, you know, I thought we were going to be friends. Again, maybe that's his fault, but he's definitely mad about it. And the second thing I would say, which I thought was kind of really striking, is that he was willing to admit that he wants a peace deal in Ukraine and sort of give it away and just say that out loud. He said it a couple of different times. Again, maybe he's lying in ways I didn't perceive, but he kept saying it. I don't know why he would say it if he didn't mean it.

And of course, there is, as a matter of fact, there is evidence overwhelming that there was. a peace deal or part of a peace deal with the beginning of peace talks, a settlement of some sort on the table a year and a half ago that the former prime minister of Great Britain, Boris Johnson, scuttled on behalf of the Biden administration and convinced Zelensky and the Ukrainian government not to enter into these talks. I mean, that's kind of an established fact. The Israelis were there. They revealed this and that happened. So, but Putin, for his part, again, even talking about Putin, you feel like, you're flacking for Putin. I'm from the Ohio, California, not flacking for Putin. please um i'm just trying to recess this rationally

all right so there we go i think that's pretty much the basis of this i think we have enough to kind of conclude our thoughts on the interview as well um and tugger kind of lays out some good points here um he feels wounded by the west and by the way we've not even watched this interview before we just literally watched it uh with Tucker's thoughts but if Putin said i don't know if he's so much wounded. I think he is more business than wounded. Like we said in our talks before, he said, it's not about the marriage. It's not about the bride and the groom. This is, you know, peace talks. And, you know, we have tried to put peace out there, but it's in the Western table right now because we put it out there and you guys say no, no, no. And we say fine, fine. Then

we're going to do our own thing. Yeah. And it's pretty much what he says. And including a year and a half ago with Boris, a year and a half ago, there was potentially significant peace talks on the table that could have ended this then. Israelis were there. There were some others that were also there that can verify and vouch for this. But it sounds like Boris on the half of the Biden administration denied it, did not want a peace talk, did not want any peace because how else are they going to fund billions and billions and billions and billions and billions of dollars to Ukraine to potentially, maybe even potentially allegedly fund back to politicians in the pocket. Exactly. And that's pretty much what's happening.

You think about the Biden family. They own Ukraine. But talking about Putin, I think looking at him, he is not a dude that's like a Nazi or, you know, a Stalin or a Hitler. He doesn't want to see loss of life. I don't think he wants to see that. But he felt like he was backed into a corner and he had no choice based on what was going on. The expansion of NATO, the fact that United States would. never come together with them.

The fact that we were putting bio labs on the border of Russia and Ukraine. Yeah, which we admitted, by the way. Right. Yeah. And I can't remember because I don't have my paper in front of me, but there was like two or three other things of the way that outside influences were, you know, affecting and influencing and what's the word? Contributing to this war.

Yeah. And, you know, Putin puts it pretty much frankly. He's like, this war is not because of us. Yeah. It's because of the West. Yeah. And if you see that and if you realize it, and if you look, if you dig down into the ground and understand the real reasons, why it's the West and not us, you'll understand. But you have to dig into the history.

You've got to dig into everything. You can't just see the surface level. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. You're right on all those things. And, you know, as Tucker also said, when. I agree, according to the interview, Putin does not want to expand Russia. He does not want more land.

He doesn't want Poland. Yeah, and the West keeps saying that, you know, that Russia wants to expand. And, you know, we've been seeing articles all over the place that, you know, hey, there are certain countries in Europe that are getting ready to gear up for war with Russia. We're seeing this in the West. We're seeing this in Western media. And they want you to believe that the Russia is so much of a threat. that we are getting ready for world war. And in my opinion,

and this is just kind of my final thoughts in this interview, at the very least, the things I believed about this was that, in my opinion, the United States has been bullies to Russia for a long time. I believe they still are.

And I believe that you cannot deny that if you look at NATO itself. NATO was created because they wanted to control Russia. They wanted to make sure that, Russia was basically the, you know, they, they didn't want them to get too big. They didn't want to get too strong.

And even after Russia was on the table to work on missile defense systems with the United States, supposedly for Iran, well, after they denied Russia this, all they did was make it worse. Because what they made Russia go and do, and Russia then told them, they said, you know what, because you effed us again, we're going to go build missiles that will defeat your missile defense systems. And so they worked on hypersonic missile systems. they worked on nuclear warheads. They are, I believe, maybe now the leader in nuclear warheads on the planet. And potentially even, we don't know what the United States 100% has,

but potentially they are far more advanced than the United States even in hypersonic missiles. And the reason I will say that is because the United States has went on record and media outlets have reported that we have tested hypersonic missile systems and have failed them just in the past two years. And yet Russia has used some of these hypersonic missiles, although not nuclear, but they have used some of these in Ukraine. Yeah. And they've also tested these many of these very successfully.

Russia is not a dumb country. They do not have people in the Kremlin and in their military and in their government. No matter what the Western media wants you believe that they had an actual chance to lose the war with Ukraine, they're not dumb. They have very smart people in their government, in their military. They have very smart scientists and physicists and all this stuff just because. they're Russia and they're not the United States does not mean they do not have people that are obviously capable of building hypersonic

missile systems and maybe even more things that we don't even know about much like the United States also has. Yeah, and that goes back to UFOs and reverse technology and all that too. I mean, you don't know what they have. No, you don't. And so what did I feel about

the Putin interview? I felt like for whatever reason in a lot of ways, he was more believable than a lot of the freaking people we see in Western media and our politicians. Like, I mean, and it's hard to compare in contrast, just like Sherry said earlier, when you have Joe Biden, that literally has no idea what the hell is going on. And he is forced to go up there and read a teleprompter, although he is obviously senile or got, you know, dementia or Alzheimer's or whatever it is.

We don't know. And the only way they're actually putting him in front of a teleprompter, many people say that he's being drugged heavily on uppers to even get him to be able to do this. There are many people in the White House that say that he has tantrums in the middle of night. He'll walk through the White House naked or partially naked according to whistleblowers in the White House. I mean, this is shit that we've seen. And then, you know, you have his son that was inside of Ukraine and in Burisma and was taking shit tons of money. There was a lot of bribes going on. And then subsequent to that, then you have the war in Ukraine.

Is there not some kind of mass corruption going on here? Look, I don't, I'm not going to go against our, my country. which I love my country. And the reason why that I want to know the truth of this shit is because I want my country back. I want the United States to be back. And when I say back, when was it actually not corrupt? That's the big question. Well, I think it's not corrupt when you don't have corrupt politicians. But I think we've had them for a very long time. Yeah, I think you always have them. And I don't know when it started. I mean, there were probably definitely times of non-corruption, but even if you go back to JFK, the fact the CIA looks like probably killed J.

I don't think JFK was corrupt. I think he went against the corruption. And that's why he's six feet under right now. Yeah. And I believe that anyone that goes and bucks the system, it's a very scary place for them. And they have to be very concerned, right? But what I will say is that no matter what you believe, and I want you guys' opinions, I want you to go over to our Facebook or X.

I want you to let us know, who do you believe? Do you believe Putin at all? What were parts of the interview, didn't believe? or partisan interview you did believe. What do you think about, do you think it's more Russia's fault than the United States? And I think that at the very end of the day, I just wish people would wake up,

and including me sometimes. We got to quit being so attached. Well, that, yes, and attached to politics and attached to people. We have to start attaching ourselves to each other. But it's hard because there are so many people out there still, I think the minority is still the most loud group of the party. And I think the reason why is because the party is making sure they are the megaphone into the world. Although the majority of people do not go along with the crazy bullshit that's going on.

They do not like corruption. They hate politicians. And the only way that you can potentially save your bullshit corruption now is that you control all media. You are the propaganda king. And so why do you even worry about what the peasants say? Right. Because you control everything. Yeah. And even on this podcast, sometimes it's so hard for me to really come out and say what I want to say. I feel like I have to be filtered. And that's when I kind of stutter and go back to my thoughts. Like, how can I make this sound good? But still, people understand where I'm coming from. Because, you know, I don't want to go against my country. And I don't want to go against my belief system. But what I see out there is the truth. And what the truth is is where I have to go with.

Yeah. So do you think it's United States or Russia's fault? Well, I'm going to... The whole history thing, you know, of course it was from Putin's point of view. So we have to give it that way. If there was a strong president that was a United States president and went with our history, which our history is very young compared to Russia. We're a new country compared to Russia. We don't have all that history that they have, you know? Well, not necessarily. I mean, you're talking about USSR. But yeah, Russia, yes. Yeah, all are Russia.

We don't have history. America is a new country. Yeah. Pretty much out of the whole world. So we don't have history like that. We don't have the wars like they did. We do have some wars. And that's why we know that.

And it was interesting that he even said that too, that in some sense. And I kind of agree, as far as like history and knowing your history, a lot of Americans don't know their own history. But when you go to Russia, they all know their history. I don't know. Yeah, but most of their history was USSR. So I think what you meant was USSR.

The USSR was obviously well before Russia. And yeah, they do have a much longer lineage in history than the United States does for sure. And, you know, but the problem is, like, what does history matter anymore? We're erasing it. We're desperately trying to. or a racer on history.

Russia don't want to do that. They want to be very valued in their history. They want people to know their history, which is why, in my opinion, Putin spent in 20 minutes of this interview, making sure that everyone understood and knew the history of Russia and USSR and whatever. It's very important because history is important. History is extremely important about where you come from.

It does. And the West wants you to, yeah, the West wants you to freaking forget history. Yeah, they take statues down all the time. They're trying to change. the history even here. Yeah, they are. So anyways, I thought it was a great and brilliant interview. I think it opens our eyes at least to, which I think a lot of this stuff we already

kind of had our eyes open to. The coup in Ukraine, how all this potentially happened and went down. I guess the moral of this messages, again, don't believe the West bullshit. I said this before. And listen, we don't know everything. We're not saying that Ukraine is all wrong. We're not saying that Russia's all right. we're just saying that there are definitely discrepancies in what mainstream media tells you.

And we had said this before with the rush of Ukraine's shit happened. Any time that all media is on board with something, you better start asking questions. I mean, it's just for me, I mean, whether you're a Democrat or not, but I'm saying the people that are the biggest piece of shit that I see on the internet, politicians or people otherwise that hate America. And all are about Ukraine and want to send billions and billions, billions of dollars. But do not give a damn about the United States. right? These are mostly Democrat people that have Ukrainian flags in their profiles and don't even put U.S.

flags in their profiles and they're American citizens. And I have to mention while you're saying that, but really what they're doing right now, these people that are pro-Ukraine, they're killing Ukrainians. And the reason why I say that is even Putin said this. You know, if

United States was not involved in giving Ukraine all this money, this war would have been done a long time ago. Yeah. He said Russia is not going to stop until they get what they want. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he essentially said, no, but it's not even what they want.

It's just that, you know, and maybe it is. But you're probably right there, I guess. Well, I'm sorry as far as the territory in NATO and everything that's involved with this war. Yeah. Yeah, I get that for sure. And you're right, obviously. And you make a great point here. And your point here is that, yes, if the United States would have come to the

and talked or quit supplying money and weapons, you're just killing more Ukrainians. Yes. Because the more you allow them to fight, the more that they're going to die. Now, is Russia wanting to take over all of Ukraine? We don't know, right? We don't know. But at the very least, it sounds like that the United States did not want to have peace talks. Boris from shit, whatever he's from.

He came and said, nope, no, no, no, no, no Pete talks. This was a year and a half ago. We could have stopped this shit a long time ago, but we didn't. Instead, we have denied all peace talks, and this is typically what we do. The United States gets involved in wars, and we stay there for 12 and 14 and 15 years, and we make shit tons of money off over from our military district complex. And meanwhile, our president has not even talked to the president of Russia about any kind of peace talks at all. He said he could not even remember the last time he talked to Biden.

Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. Do you not think they should be in contact right now? Oh, I mean, well, you would think, I mean, you would think a president that especially if you were telling everyone that World War III isn't inevitable. And by the way, if World War III is inevitable, it might be because of the West, not Russia. So whereas when we say the World War III may still be inevitable, it actually may still be. How far is the United States willing to push Russia to the brink? And that's essentially what we're talking about here.

The United States and the media wants you to believe that it's Russia that may push us to the brink of having to defend our. from a nuclear attack. I think it's actually the other way around. And that's my consensus here. I think if the West keeps pushing and keeps doing the bullshit they're doing, we're going to cause nuclear war. And this is the biggest threat. It's not Russia that wants a nuclear war.

He even said it. Do you understand what nuclear war does? We know what it does. It will destroy all of humanity. And we don't want that. We do not want the world to be desolate place to where no one can inhabit it or survive because that's what would happen. But so when we talk about World War III,

it's not about Russia launching nukes, or it could be. It depends on how far the United States wants to continue to push this shit. And we've seen, based on history, they've expanded five or six times. They've instigated wars. And then what is the next step for the United States with this Ukraine thing? Are we going to go into a hot war? Because if we do, and we've already talked about it, we have instigated this already. Again, if you don't fund this war, which they just passed another $60 billion bill.

But if you don't fund this war, we're going to send our U.S. troops. You know what? And at that point, I really hope all U.S. troops say, fuck you. I'm going to go on to freaking Ukraine. Esculating everything. Yeah, it's ridiculous, dude. But guys, that's going to be it. We have a lot of amazing episodes coming up. We are very excited about our episodes forthcoming.

Like we said, Monday will be Jacob or Jake Chanceley, the QAnon Shaman as the Western media wanted to call him. Yeah, I'm so excited. The biggest insurrectionist. Yeah, it'll be a good episode. I think we just got a lot of questions for him. Tucker was heavily involved. I said in his subsequent, I guess.

Release. Yes. Yeah, I guess release, but also just the way the media pushed how evil this person was. And then Tucker kind of pushed a lot of this story and got the video out and released some of this video, especially with Jake Chanceley. So we'll have an opportunity to talk with him. And then we also have some other amazing episodes. Oh, yeah.

Also, we're going to be talking to TikTok fugitive as well. know if it's going to be tomorrow. I can't remember if it's tomorrow is Sunday. I think it's Sunday. TikTok fugitive. If any of you remember him, he was the fugitive for the FBI. He actually still is. He now has been granted asylum. He's actually the only person since Edward Snowden

granted asylum in Russia. And he lives in Russia right now. And so we're going to bring him on. He has some breaking news to tell about some crazy shit that's been happening going on with his case. Also, he's going to talk about Russian life and what he believes in this whole situation. Just the whole climate there.

Yeah, absolutely. And I want to know about that. Yeah. So I think that'll be Sunday. And then Chansley will be Monday night. And there will be no podcast tomorrow, but you guys will be listening this hopefully tomorrow. So hopefully we're going to get some great content out for you.

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music i know that sounds crazy um and most of you probably don't even know are like what are you talking about getting back in music i'm talking about yes sherry and i's relationship started in music and um and yeah and i think that we're going to start doing music again. On the side, you know, just to, I don't know, introduce some music to you guys that is important to us. And we'll see how it goes. But just stay tuned potentially for that.

And I don't know. I'm not saying we're going to go like the Tom McDonald route necessarily into that shit. I just want to make music good. That matters. That maybe uplifts people. That just makes a difference. And there might be some of this type of stuff that we talk about.

But primarily, I just want to make people feel good. I want to make people enjoy it. That's really the goal there. And so we'll see what happens with this. Yeah, and absolutely. And I hope we can do something with Chad and Sherry Live because, you know, we talk about so many serious things, but you don't really know us as not serious people. And I'd like you to know us as who we are as well.

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