Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Tucker Carlson vs Ben Shapiro, The Conservative Civil War at AmericaFest

Episode Date: December 20, 2025

Last night at AmericaFest, the Turning Point USA event that’s supposed to represent the future of the conservative movement, we didn’t just get speeches, we got a very public fracture. Ben Shapiro took the stage and delivered what was essentially a warning shot, aimed not at the left, but at parts of the right. His message was clear, that conservatism loses credibility when it tolerates extremists, conspiracy culture, and figures he believes poison the movement from within. Whether you agree with him or not, it was a declaration that the old coalition lines are shifting, and some people are being deliberately pushed outside the tent. Then came Tucker Carlson, and while he didn’t respond point by point, the contrast couldn’t have been sharper. Tucker framed his speech around free speech, power, and who gets to decide what ideas are acceptable. Instead of policing the movement, he questioned why dissent and uncomfortable conversations are suddenly treated as threats. Taken together, these two speeches weren’t just disagreements, they were competing visions for the soul of conservatism, one focused on gatekeeping and respectability, the other on open confrontation with power, and last night made it clear that this divide isn’t going away anytime soon.Visit our merchandise store 

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I'm your host, Chad, alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry, at last night's America Fest, the turning point USA event that supposedly was representing the future of the conservative movement. We didn't just get speeches. We got a very public fracture. and Shapiro took the stage and delivered what was essentially a warning shot, aimed not the left, but at parts of the right. His message was clear. The conservative loses credibility when it tolerates extremists,

conspiracy culture, and figures he believes poison the movement from within. Whether you agree with him or not, it was a declaration that the old coalition lines are shifting and some people are being deliberately pushed outside the tent. And then came Tucker Carlson. And while he didn't respond point by point, the contrast couldn't have been sharper. Tucker framed a speech around free speech, power, and who gets to decide what ideas are acceptable.

Instead of policing the movement, he questioned why dissent and uncomfortable conversations are suddenly treated as threats. On tonight's show, we're going to break it all down for you guys. It is December of the 19, 2025. The name of the song is Burn Away by Nick Caution. And let me say, Tucker, you should have walked out of this song last night because I'm just saying it was like a ringwalk, really. And it was kind of a ringwalk for Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson. but Tucker Carlson, in my opinion, came out victorious.

I watched some of Ben Shapiro's speech and some of Tucker's speech, but I wanted to save it for tonight because I wanted to break it down. I want to see like what did Ben Shapiro say? Obviously, he is a Jewish person at Turning Point USA. I also last night broke down like how many people that spoke were Christians versus Jews versus whatever. And there were only actually a few Jewish people that spoke. Ben Shapiro obviously being one of the biggest. There were quite a few Christians, or at least the people that call themselves Christians. but it did seem like the same old concept,

which is to go to a turning point USA event, call out the people that we do not like, like Candice O and Tucker Cross and Nick Quintas, and it was interesting because Tucker Carlson actually came on after Ben Shapiro did. So he was like, well, I didn't know actually what I was, I don't know if I missed anything. I loved when he came out and said that.

It was great. Yeah. Just the way his opening was. For sure. So we're going to break it down, guys. And, you know, this will probably be,

until new revelations are unveiled or whatever the case is. Probably one of the last podcasts will do on whether it be Turning Point USA, Charlie Kirk, at least until new information is out for a little while anyways. We have a lot of other stuff coming out. We have the quote unquote Epstein files or Epstein documents that are largely supposed to be released by midnight tonight. There are already things coming out as we are actually recording this episode right now. We're talking about pictures.

We have a picture of Bill Clinton in a hot tub. there's some there's some females feet or legs in the picture also and then we also have a ton of redactions which we kind of knew that was going to happen and one of the things I told sherry was I was like not only are they going to protect the victims they're going to protect the people that they were victimizing or that were victimizing the victims and I think that's the whole purpose this is not a left versus right thing this is a government power and control um I guess project and so both sides are going to protect each other unfortunately for the report Republicans, it was the Democrats that decided to push it because the Democrats themselves knew,

whoever is behind all of this, they also knew that they're going to release it redacted and all this stuff. They just wanted to see how the Republicans would react when they pushed them on it. And unfortunately, in my opinion, the Republicans did the most horrible job. You could possibly do reacting to the Democrats push for the release of the Epstein files. And so the difference there is is like Democrats just never spoke on it. They never really talked about it. They ignored everything about it.

Republicans probably didn't do a good enough job pushing the Democrats over that four-year tenure, especially during the Biden-Harris administration that they should have done where they were making public calls for this or this or this. Well, they weren't even allowed to ask questions when Biden was in administration. No, they avoided all press conferences, all everything. And if there was any questions, they were pre-planned questions. Absolutely, for sure. Yeah, there are pre-planned questions. You can only ask this. If you didn't ask this and we're done, we're not going to, you know, we're not going to take any more questions.

And so, Sherry, you make a good point there. Whereas what we will give the Trump administration credit for is that he's literally on television all the time. I don't know about CNN, MSNBC, but I know like any time you turn it on Fox, especially from like 2 p.m. to like 4 or 5 is Trump. He's doing some kind of live signing or live this or live that. Yeah, Will Kane's got a pretty easy job most of the time because it's live streaming Trump. Yeah. Yeah, Will Kane's show is on at 4. And it seems like every time Will Kane is on is Trump on.

live television doing something or saying something or talking to somebody about something. So Will Kane, you know, like, good job. You got a pretty easy show. You start your show and be like, hey, we're going to go to Trump now. But as far as Candace goes, she did drop some huge bombshells that we're going to have to reconvene and talk about at some point, especially when she was talking to this FBI or ex-FBI agent. He's not the FBI guy, but.

Or he was at the headquarters or something and saw two very important people. there the night before Charlie Kirk was assassinated. Yeah, this is actually a intelligence base inside of the United States. We might cover that for sure soon because I think that's very important if it comes out to be true. Obviously, America Fest or Am Fest as they're calling it, which is a massive turning point USA event took place last night. I think it's going throughout the entire weekend. They have tons of speakers lined up.

Obviously, J.D. Vance, all of these others. You know, J.D. Vance is who they're putting in the position to run for president in 2020. at least that's what it sounds like, even though Mariel Aedelson, which is one of Trump's biggest donors, she just recently said two days ago in this meeting where cameras are there, she's like, I'm willing to give you the same amount of money to run for your third term in 2028. I just don't think that's happening. I know, but everybody laughed and they're like, hey, maybe so, maybe so. I know.

I still like Mark Rubio a lot. I don't know. Marko Rubio. I mean, it is. I mean, I've never not liked Marker Rubio, but it's just so weird because of how all of my thinking. processes of change now. Yeah. Now that you know everything is corrupt and everything is corruption and you view our politics

in a completely different fashion than we did eight years ago. Oh, absolutely. Or even a year ago, two years ago, three years ago. I mean, I obviously knew the Biden Harris administration was corrupt. And then I just, I think I've been very disappointed so far in this past year. So, you know, when you see Amfest or Turning Point USA events where they have all of these, you know, political public speakers or podcast speakers, And you have the, you know, the typical talking points from people like Ben Shapiro or basically almost everyone else that talk there besides Tucker Carlson.

And they all just want to call out anybody that is questioning a narrative or questioning this or questioning that. And they want to demonize you. They want to call for you to not be able to speak. They want to silence and censor you. You know, this is something that Ben Shapiro called for last night. So we're going to break both speeches down, both Tucker's and Ben Shapiro's on this show. It is Friday night. So we're hanging out with you guys again.

On a Friday night, it seems like that's all we do on Friday night. It's his due podcast. But hey, I think it's worth it. Yes. Sherry's mom's been in town. She has since left. We actually did record a couple of things with her, which will probably insert some of the stuff that we've talked to her about, kind of behind the scenes into future episodes about certain things. That's why I was trying to ask certain questions to her.

You know, Sherry, your mom's been in the movie business or was in a movie business for a very long time. So she's been around Hollywood. She knows Hollywood. She's worked with a lot of the old stars, you know, the people that kind of created and founded Hollywood, I guess you can say, as it is today. So it was very interesting to kind of get her opinion on what Hollywood is today versus then, you know, what differences does she see in Hollywood now? And what similarities too?

Yeah. And there was some really funny moments too because, I mean, your mom is 91. Yes, but she is really with it for 91. She has. She's very with it. And there's only a couple times that she might misspoke, I guess misspeak and she did. But the two times she misspoke on some of those things, which we miss speak all the time. Yeah. But the two times she did, it was hilarious because of what she said. And so I want to be able to play all that stuff. Maybe not everything in its entirety, but at the very least we want to be able to play it. So before we get into this, I do want to let everybody know we do have some Christmas merch. It's only going to be around for about another week. So you better go buy it up. It is limited edition. It is on investment. Investigator. Store.com. And we do have our hoodies and sweatshirts and all other cool merchandise. We also have some hats, some beanie, some cups or tumblers, some coffee cups.

And then I think after Christmas, we're going to start a whole new line of a limited. It'll be around for another month. And then we'll switch it again. And we're going to probably do this. You know, we're going to start instead of every month. We're going to try to change it up to like every three months to where we can kind of keep the designs around a little bit longer. And so that is on Investigator. gate earth store.com. Also, I did want to say, you know, as much as we are involved in and around

in whatever aviation yesterday, there was a horrific accident that happened in Statesville, which is just north of Charlotte. And it was Greg Biffel and his family that died horrifically. A plane crash. It was a jet that took off from Statesville going to visit Cletus McFarlane. For those who do not know who Cleas McFarland is, also known as Garrett Mitchell. He is a YouTuber. Greg Biffle also was very pivotal in the Hurricane Helene rescues in Western North Carolina, along with Garrett Mitchell. He used his own helicopter because he's also a helicopter pilot to go and bring in supplies to places that no one else could get to. He rescued people.

He's one of those truly selfless people. He was. I mean, he was a selfless person and he continually was trying to figure out ways to help people. Obviously, Greg Biffle, a NASCAR legend. he also helped to or was trying to help to mold that Cletus McFarland as far as his NASCAR journey. Obviously, Cletus McFarland was a huge YouTuber still is, but he's always kind of had the content around cars and trucks and racing. And he actually was, Cleas and McFarland actually bought a racetrack in Bradenton, Florida. And so then Greg Biffle kind of got on his side, mentored him and had been mentoring him for a long time.

And it was actually Cleas McFarland that announced for sure that it was Greg Biffle, his wife, his son, which was only like six or seven, his daughter, which is probably 15 or 16. They all perished. Yeah, maybe. They all perished in the accident along with two pilots and someone else. I'm not 100% sure. I think one of the pilot's sons maybe. And so it was very horrific. You know, it obviously hit me pretty hard.

It has really hit Chad hard. And that's all he's been talking about. we've been watching old video well not real old old YouTube videos but we've been watching YouTube videos of the family like today we were watching where they went and picked out their Christmas tree that was like four days ago five days ago and it's just so sad and just to see all that life and that little boy and how cute he was like he was the little star of the show to me he was so adorable and it's just so tragic that that happened to the family yeah that really has you know held their hand out and helped other people like they have

And they didn't have to, right? And that's, you know, when you're rich or you have money or you have all these things, you don't have to do that, right? It's just, um, it's, whether it's maybe it's your calling or maybe it isn't. And I think for, for the Biffles, I think that was their calling. I think it really showed how genuinely good of people they were. And so we do pray for everybody affected, obviously also Garrett Mitchell, which, which was very close to him as well.

Uh, it's very hard. But, you know, one of the things that, um, I did to share yesterday. And I think you, you guys should all do the same. It's like, after kind of just thinking about it all day and, going through that process in my mind. You know, so I went to you yesterday. I was like,

hey, I love you. I just want you know. And I, you know, I hugged you. And I was like, maybe we don't do that enough sometimes.

But I think that you have to do that because you never know when the person next to you, that you love the most may not be there. So, you know, it was a very important lesson. But I also think that that whole tragedy just, it's made me think. It's like,

look, you've got to be a better person. You've got to be outwardly a better person as best as you, as best you can. And especially with all the crazy stuff going around in the world and all the bad things happening, it really sucks to see really good people die. Yeah. And I really felt bad for their dogs too because, you know, that's all they know is their little family. And now their little family's gone and they're left alone.

Yeah. Yeah, the dogs, yeah, because they were in that video we watched as well. So anyways, it was pretty tough to watch. You know, I've been just theorizing and thinking about like what happened, how did it happen? And that's not necessarily for us to figure out there's going to be a lot of investigation. It probably will take a year and a half before NTSB actually comes to any conclusion or findings on that. So anyways, just wanted to talk about that because it did affect me pretty hard yesterday. And what I'm saying is the message to this is like love the person next to you.

Be more giving, be more loving, be more accepting to people. All those things is, I think, something that we can learn from. Yeah. And think about that, Chad, when I'm buying Christmas gifts. Well, speaking of loving and caring, I do at least want to go to Nick Fuentes because, you know, we know that he is definitely a loving person. No, but I wanted to play Nick Fuentes first, what he kind of responded to Ben Shapiro. And he says, Ben Shapiro, you're finished. I'm going to play Nick Fuentes first.

And then we're going to get to Ben Shapiro. And keeping in mind that as Ben Shapiro talks, you know, Tucker Carlson's there. So he's obviously probably watching this backstage. He's literally listening to Benjbriero say all this stuff. And then Tucker Carlson has to come out. And one of the things I was thinking is I was like, I wonder, I wonder like how much Tucker had prepared. And then also while he was listening to Benjpiro because maybe in Tucker's mind, he was like,

I can't believe this dude's actually doing this time here. I'm going to change my speech up a little bit to like make a point. Yes. Yeah. To kind of talk back even though like, even though like we said in the intro, he didn't go point by point, but it is still very interesting. And obviously you had people like Russell Brand, which Russell Brand heavily talked about Jesus Christ and the reason for Christianity, which I think Russell Brand did a good job as well. But Tucker just wanted to make sure that like, hey, you know what?

I'm here. I'm going to use this opportunity to make sure that my message is clear. And what I will say is that Tucker probably summed it up the best that anybody could have possibly done it in his speech. And all the things I talk about, all the things that we talk about on the show, all the things that we discuss. I guess sometimes Tucker speaks a lot better as far as like how he's trying to betray what his biggest issue is. And I think when I heard Tucker speech is like, I have to play this. We got to do a podcast on this because I think it'll help you guys understand where I come from as well. Maybe even more so than sometimes I can try to convey that.

So here's Nick Fuentes. This is what he had to say because obviously Nick Fuentes was also mentioned in Ben Shapiro's speech. And I think that's probably why Nick Fuentes was clapping back a little. little bit. So by the way, you know, warning, there is a couple of times that Nick Fuentes uses bad language. So if you have kids or whatever, just don't let them listen to this part. And the rest of the show will be fine. Here you go. Levin's, the Wexlers, we're just laughing in your face. We're not listening. You're Jewish, you're pro-Israel, your fucking cringe. Suffice to say, we're not listening anymore. You had your chance. You had goodwill.

You even had censorship and all sorts of other built-in advantages in the media market, and you blew it. With your disingenuousness, with your omissions and your lies, your hypocrisy, your cancel culture, you blew it. Think about the advantage that they had. A guy like Ben Shapiro, he had no rivals. And Tucker pointed this out, Shapiro has a deal with Facebook. I imagine he has a deal with YouTube. So while everybody was being censored by Facebook and YouTube, Shapiro was being promoted. Do you know what a good deal that is?

That would be like if you went into business selling hamburgers and the government said, we're going to subsidize Burger King and McDonald's is not allowed to obtain a business license. That's the deal that Daily Wire had going. They were like the number two advertiser on Facebook for a decade. or something like that. The number two, most prolific ad buyer on the platform. Meanwhile, and that's the biggest platform, everybody else was banned. And for 10 years, they were the beneficiary of cancel culture and all those other structural

benefits. And what they did with that is they just abused the good faith and the goodwill of the people. They showed their hand, which is they don't care about Americans. they only care about Israel. They were hypocrites. They lied. They were disingenuous. If anybody was critical of their position, they were dismissive, or they tried to destroy

that person like myself. And I said on Twitter earlier tonight, I said, Ben Shapiro's finished. You're done, little man. America has had enough of Ben Shapiro. We see you for what you are. And now we're done with you. Americans are not listening to you. We don't care what you have to say because we know that you don't care about us.

So you have contempt for us. And honestly, at this point, the feeling is mutual. So I saw it today. He had another great clip defending H-1B visas. Nice. So the message from the Shapiro and Levin crowd is 50-year mortgages. If you can't afford to buy a home in the city you grew up in, then you grew up in. you should leave H-1B visas, which is a scam for cheap foreign labor, are actually necessary.

Oh, and if anybody criticizes Israel, they're a Nazi, and they need to shut up, and we're going to war with Iran. That's a really winning message. Unfortunately for them, now we have free speech on the Internet, so there's other people around that can challenge that. And that is 100% true there, what Nick Fentz is saying. Now, you know, keep in mind, this is the Daily Wire. So I want to make something clear. Daily Wire is just like something that you would see. I mean, well, at least you would think that the Daily Wire is an independent media organization that Ben Shapiro created.

And then he brought on other people to where he paid them to also be influencers. Candice Owens was also one of those. At some point in time, Nick Fuentes was also Cooper. I can't remember what her name is. But all of these people were also influencers. Nick Quintz was with Ben Shapiro? Back in a day. That's how this whole thing started.

I did not even know that. Yeah. So that was, I feel really dumb. Yeah, that well, that was going to be a thing. Well, it wasn't that it wasn't necessarily that Nick Fuentes was with Ben Shapiro. It was that Ben Shapiro is the one that got Nick Fuentes canceled and demonetized, debanked, everything.

It was Ben Shapiro that did all of that to know. But they didn't work together, do they? I don't know. There was, there was, I know at one point in time they were either talking about it or planning on doing that. You guys can correct me on that to give me the details. But one of the things. I wanted to point out about Daily Wire is like just like, you know, whether it be our podcast,

the Hodge Twins, Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, Patrick Bet David. I mean, you name any of these, you know, Stephen Crowder. When you are the Daily Wire, okay, and you are the number two ad buyer on all of YouTube for many years, keep in mind, I saw this stat the other day, that means you are spending ridiculous money to push people to your show. I mean, I'm talking about mega money. I'm talking about multi, multi, multi, multi millions of dollars. And there's no way, obviously, that Ben Shapiro coming up and just like everybody else came, you know, comes up that you're going to have all of these multi millions of dollars to push your show into the face of everyone. And then you also get

deals from Facebook. You get deals from I also believe Instagram and YouTube. This is huge. And this tells you that he had a really big backer behind him. Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you. Do you think had big backers like Israel? I think Israel, yeah. I'm sure Israel backs him. I mean, because he is pro-Israel and he is Jewish. Yeah. So you would think they would back him. Yeah, I mean, I think that was probably one of his biggest backers was Israel. But, you know, that goes to show, it's like, you know, at what point is it actually independent media or foreign media propaganda? And that would be the same thing in that if you had a show that was a Muslim-based show or a Iranian-based show or a Russia-based show in the United States.

And yet they were somehow the number two most influential and ad buyer on and on the biggest platform in the world. You would ask yourself, well, how the hell is that happening? Right. I mean, I know a lot of people that would be going absolute bat shit crazy right now if that was happening. That would be Laura Lumer and Mark Levin. I mean, they would be having aneurysms and strokes.

And by the way, that wouldn't last long because they would get that canceled. They would they would pressurize or they would pressure YouTube so much to the point. where you two would have no choice but to cut all advertising and basically ban them. And they probably pressure them saying they're terrorist groups. Yeah, of course. They're terrorists because they're Muslim. They're this or that or that or that. But, you know, you know, I still go back to the time that Ben Shapiro was trying to push the vaccine on everybody.

I'll never forget that. And that was actually back when I listened to Ben Shapiro. I didn't 100% know or understand Ben Shapiro's complete background and where his funding was coming from or any of this stuff. But I do, I will never forget. when he started pushing the vaccine during COVID. And he was going on these shows saying I took the vaccine. And actually, I think the vaccine's very good.

And here's why I can take. The vaccine is, yeah. Yeah, I don't even really remember that to be honest. Oh, I do. We did a podcast.

We did a podcast about it. We did? Absolutely. Yeah, we literally played the clip of him saying this. So, you know, that was one of the things I was always,

that was when I first started to be like, that's weird. Like, why has Ben Shapiro, you know, pushing the vaccine? But I've also heard a lot of people saying, you know, I used to listen to Ben Shapiro all the time.

And now I don't listen to him at all because I just don't buy his bullshit. I don't believe anything he's saying. And especially now that I know like, you know, it's not just that. I mean, we all used to know that he was Jewish. Nobody ever had a problem with that. We knew he wore his yarmica and whatever. And everybody was cool with that. We're like, okay, fine.

You're Jewish. Cool. And you're a part of America. You're a part of the conservative movement. You have a lot of the same beliefs or values, I guess. we thought that you do with us. But then, you know, there were times that like where he was just downplaying Jesus Christ and kind of heavily criticizing Jesus Christ on the Joe Rogan show.

Well, I think that really came out when him and Candace Owens got into the big fight when she said Jesus is king. He was doing the downplaying of Jesus like hardcore on Joe Rogan long before Candace Owens. But, you know, but it's just things like that that people don't really, that never really went viral. You know, until now there's a lot of clips going around that show that that actually the interview. But I guess what we should do is go ahead and get into the Ben Shapiro speech. His is not that long. And then we'll get to Tucker. We'll break it down, obviously, and let you

guys hear it. So here is Ben Shapiro. I couldn't be more excited to be here today. The golden age of America is just the beginning. I really believe that America right now is divided between what I like to call the lions and the scavengers. Lions are people who want to build things, people who are productive. The scavengers believe that if you fail, it's probably somebody else's fault. Donald Trump and the American people are about to make our economy dynamic again. Free markets are merit. Free markets are justice. Free markets are innovation and they are dynamism. How do we retain the momentum? And the answer is we do the right things. The future of the country is not just President Trump. The future of the country is in this road. These young people here, it's the people who are in the audience.

The future of the country is beginning right now. Ladies and gentlemen, Ben Shapiro. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. It's obviously a massive honor to be here at Turning Point USA. It's even more of an honor to follow Erica Kirk, a heroic figure and a true American patriot. I really believe that the best way to judge a goodness of a man is to see the goodness of his wife and his children. And on that measure, Charlie was unsurpassed. Erica and her children are in all of our hearts. And of course, this is an incredibly bittersweet moment.

It's absolutely bitter because of the murder of our friend Charlie Kirk, an irreplaceable human being. I knew Charlie from the time he was 18 years old, and I watched him build himself into one of the most powerful exponents of conservatism in America, one of the most powerful coalition builders in American history. But it's also sweet to see the number of people who continue to remember Charlie each and every day and to carry on his mission. Well, today, I want to talk about the future of the country.

And the future of this country, this amazing country, relies on the future of the conservative movement. It relies on what TPSA defines as its core mission, freedom, free markets, and limited government. And most of all, most of all, the future of this country relies on truth. This country relies on truth because victory, true, real, lasting victory cannot be achieved without truth. Victory without truth is victory for a lie, and that is no victory at all. And unity without truth is no unity.

It is merely solidarity and falsehood. You see, we live in a chaotic time, in a time when lots of people are asking lots of legitimate questions about the conservative movement. What ought we to think about the relationship between free markets and traditional virtue? How should we craft a pragmatic foreign policy that spreads our interests and upholds our ideals? What governmental means are appropriate to achieve political ends? All of these questions aren't new, of course. They've been asked for as long as human beings have been talking about politics, thousands of years. And over the course of this conference, you'll hear a lot of opinions on a lot of these questions.

I have my own perspectives on them, of course. You can hear them every single day on my show. My fundamental values have been the same for 25 years. Peace through strength on foreign policy. Traditional values on social policy. Free markets with regards to economics. But today I want to talk about something even more important. How to discern those attempting to speak truth from frauds and grifters.

Because something is new. An informational environment rife with both opportunity and chaos. Opportunity because the legacy media gatekeepers are no longer in charge of what we see and what we hear. And chaos because an anarchic informational environment means we actually have to be smart in how we assess the information and arguments that we hear. Now, obviously, this has been Shapiro. So you already hear what his entire message is about to be. It is he's about to attack people that have went against the narrative, his grain, and his opinions. Fraud and grifters. Fraud, grifters, and liars.

and liars is what he's basically saying. Anyone that disagrees with me or our policies or our values are liars. And this is what we don't like. But Trump does stand by that slogan as far as peace through strength. Yeah. But he also talks about freedom and, you know, all of this stuff. But, you know, we'll hear some more. Listen.

Why does that matter? Well, because today the conservative movement is in serious danger. It is in danger, not just from election. that all too frequently excuses everything up to and including murder. The conservative movement is also in danger, from charlatans who claim to speak in the name of principle, but actually traffic in conspiracism and dishonesty, who offer nothing but bile and despair, who seek to undermine fundamental principles of conservatism by championing enervation and grievance. These people are frauds, and they are grifters, and they do not

deserve your time. And they are something worse than that. danger to the only movement capable of stopping the left from wrecking the country wholesale. So today, I want to discuss five obligations that people who speak to you on matters of importance have to you. I want to speak to you about our duties. Our first duty is truth. We owe you the truth. That means we should not mislead you. It means we shouldn't hide the ball. We shouldn't be deliberately obscure about what we're telling you. We have an obligation to clarity and to honesty. This means that we actually have to be clear in the language that we use.

We should not traffic in generality. We should not say things like they shot Charlie without specifying whom we mean by they. The person who allegedly shot Charlie Kirk and whom all the evidence points at, all of it is a gay, trans-loving furry. Make sure we mention gay, trans, and furry because, you know, that's what we do. And that's the they is he's wanting you to believe. When you say they, just make sure it's left, trans, gay, or furry.

Not anything other than that. Okay, so that was his point. If we are going to target ideological movements, we should talk about the fact that the radical trans movement treats all those who oppose it as existential threats. Or if we're going to talk about the Democratic Party making room for the radical trans movement and echoing its inflammatory rhetoric, well, we should talk about that. Those are specific problems and they require specific responses. When people say they shot Charlie, however, they are instead trafficking in vagary that results in increased hatred without proposing any effective response.

They are fostering despair and rage, and that makes things worse. We must also be honest about what people say and do, regardless of what that means coalitionally. It is the job of politicians to build coalitions. It's the job of those of us who try to shape public opinion to hold politicians to account and to hold them accountable to our values. we must not let fear of audience deter us from telling the truth. We must not let fear of other hosts deter us from telling the truth. So, for example, if Candice Owens decides to spend every day since the murder of Charlie Kirk, so if Candice Owens decides to spend every day since the murder of Charlie Kirk,

casting aspersions at T.P. USA and the people who work here, who worked with Charlie every single day, his best friends, to cast aspersions at Mikey McCoy and Andrew Colvin and Blake Neff and Tyler Boyer and yes, at Erica Kirk. And to imply or outright claim complicity in a cover-up over Charlie's murder, to spew absolutely baseless trash, implicating everyone from French intelligence to Mossad to members of TPUSA in Charlie's murder or a cover-up in that murder, then we, as people with a microphone, have a moral obligation to call that out by name. Erica Kirk and TPC USA never should have been put in the position to have to defend themselves against such specious and evil attacks, particularly in a time of mourning. And the people who refuse to condemn Candace's truly vicious attacks, and some of them are speaking here, are guilty of cowardice.

Yes, cowardice. The fact that they have said nothing, while Candace has been vomiting, all sorts of hideous and conspiratorial nonsense, into the public square for years. years is just as cowardly. Okay. So got to stop here for a second because number one, Candace has not been spew and nonsense for years. I mean, Ben Shapiro, you did hire her at one point in time because you thought that Candice Owens was one of the greatest investigative journalist of our time.

And when she has been investigating, it's not been baseless trash or, you know, she's trying. Yeah, she's trying to expose a cover up. Well, maybe one day find out. We don't know. but what I can say is that at the very least, you know, a lot of what Candace has said on her show has come out to be true. Every,

damn near every single time that she presents something. And then she would wait a couple of days just to see all the people like Ben Shapiro and everyone else that called her a complete liar and she was lying about all this stuff. She would wait a couple days. Then she would do with shows like, well, here's the receipts. Here you go. Oh, I'm not lying in there. But that's because of this and this and this and this.

So. And then she caught him. just like you bait a fish and you catch a fish she caught the fish yes and you know one of the things that benjamin is talking about you know all these core principles number one truth he keeps saying truth truth truth truth well you are missing the point that there were lies in the initial part of candace's investigation which is why when candace goes live on a podcast episode now she has over 100 200 300 000 live people watching and then multi millions of views on every single show she does because people are not dumb.

I mean, they're really not. I mean, you can get the whatever amount of applause you want to in a turning point USA event. But the reality is like, for example, there was a lot of people that have criticized or questioned or whatever, whether it be Israel or the narratives or whatever, that all got turned away at turning point USA yesterday during this event that were allegedly invited. And then when they got there, they had their, I guess their invites poll. And then it was also very interesting that as they got their invites pulled, there were cameras everywhere that was showing their invites being pulled, basically humiliating them and they wanted to do it on camera. And so that was also very interesting. But obviously the point of this entire speech so far, and this is, I'm not going to play the entire speech of Ben Shapiro, but the entire point of this speech so far is to demonize Candace, Tucker, or anybody that questions anything and just overlook.

any of the lies or any of the discrepancies or any of the things in this investigation that don't make sense. They want to talk about, you know, look, I can't believe that you would do this with a grieving wife or Charlie's best friends, you know, there were a lot of things that Charlie was leading up to that just didn't make sense up until this assassination. I'm not even saying as Israel. I'm not saying any of that. I'm not saying it's not Tyler Robinson. But at the very least, like how they're trying to betray it now, because Charlie's dead, he don't have a voice anymore. So right now there's a battle to see like how can we be Charlie's voice and how can we decipher it? How can we make people think that he was 100% pro is there no matter what? And then there

is a side to saying, well, look, here's text and here's all the things that we can prove that like leading up to this. No. Exactly. Stuff was changing. Yeah, because right now he said there's five obligations or five things are duties. We must do as Charlie Kirk followers. And he's only on number one, which is truth. What is the truth? Is there truth about what you're saying right now? Yeah, or is Candice? I mean, obviously we know there is a lot of truth of what Candace has said. I still, I'm sorry, right now, we're listening to this together, guys.

And as you listen to Ben Shapiro and as you're going to hear Tucker in a minute, I want you guys to tell us who is more believable. Like, who do you trust more in both these conversations? Second, because we owe you the truth, we owe you the duty to speak out of principle, not personal feeling. It should not matter. whether we despise someone or whether we love someone. The question is what they say and what they do,

and whether those things are morally decent or not. On a political level, do they foster freedom, justice, and prosperity? On a personal level, do they treat others as they would wish to be treated? Personal feeling is not a substitute for moral judgment. To take again the Candace Owen situation as an example, friendship with public figures who say or do evil things is not an excuse for silence on the matter. Politics is not the sisterhood of the traveling pants.

Politics is about principle. And if you are willing to sacrifice basic truth and simple principle in favor of emotional solidarity, you have betrayed your fundamental duty to the American people. First off, I should break the Omerita here and just be a little bit clear. The notion that people in our industry are close friends, like we all take holiday breaks with each other and go to each. And I want to stop for a second because I don't know if you notice he paused right there. And from what I saw that they had applause signs in the audience.

So they would put applause. I would just like to know. And I don't even know how many applausees were given during Tucker's speech. But I do know that he paused because he was like, I know I'm supposed to pause here because they're supposed to be clapping. And they waited a minute. And then I guess applause signs come on and they all applauded. So his second thing that we should be doing is speaking of principle and not personal feeling. but it's personal feeling versus morality.

Yeah. There's kids, graduations and stuff. It's generally untrue. Some people do that. Most of us don't. We see each other at conferences and we talk on the phone and all the rest. We're business colleagues. But even if it were true that other public figures were our best friends,

our very best friends, that does not relieve us of our duty to speak out of principle and not to cover up evil or shy away from addressing it out of friendship. So no. Tucker Carlson, it is not an excuse to go silent on Candace's targeting of TPUSA. Or to mirror her bullshit lines of questioning because you love Candice personally. The same holds true of Megan Kelly, a person I consider a friend, characterizing Candace as a young mother and thus shying away from condemning her actions or feeling me about them.

That is a non-starter. Megan Markle is a young mother. Ilhan Omar is a young mother. That doesn't matter. And when Megan said this week, my goal and my job here is to try to understand, yes, where Candace is coming from on this. And so she sees no purpose in inserting herself, quotes, into this on one side. That is a moral and logical absurdity.

There is only one moral side here, Erica Kirk's side. So he's saying here, no matter what Candace Owen says, no matter what proof she brings, no matter what receipts, no matter what lies she catches people in, there's only one way, which is non-Candis. That's what he's saying. like no matter what it is you have to go against Candace. He's saying one way. It's Erica's way only. Yeah.

Listen to Erica and Erica is the almighty God in this circumstance and whatever Erica tells you, you should believe it. Yeah. Yeah. It's just Erica's way or the highway and we're all on board

and we're going to make sure that we're her soldiers and we're going to make sure that whatever, whatever goes and whatever is said, no matter what, no matter what evidence anyone presents, no matter what anyone questions, you are to only have one side, of this argument. And if you're not, then you're a piece of shit and you're a grifter,

you're an evil person, you're all these things, you don't have principles, you don't have truth, you're just, you're just an evil bastard. You know, the side of the widow with two children whose husband was shot live on camera in front of all of us. Friendship with the person accusing TPSA of a cover up of Charlie's murder is no excuse for cowardness. Third, and relatedly, we have a duty to take responsibility for what we say and do. If we have a person, we have a person. hire awful people, we're responsible for that. I have some experience there, as you might suspect. That means that if we offer a guest for your viewing, we owe it to you to ask the kinds of

questions that actually get at the truth. If we agree with a guest, that's fine, but we should own it. So, for example, if you host a Hitler apologist, Nazi-loving, anti-American peace of refuse like Nick Flentes, you know the Nick Flentes who said that the vice president of the United States is a, quote, fat gay race traitor married to a jeet. The person, who said that Charlie Kirk was a, quote, retarded idiot. The person who said, and pardon my language here, it's his quote, that he, quote, took Turning Point USA and fucked it, and that's why it's filled with Groypers. If you have that person on your show and you proceed to glaze him, you ought to own it.

There is a reason that Charlie Kirk despised at Nick Fuentes, and indeed even chided to Nestesuza for debating him. He knew that Nick Fuentes is an evil troll, and that building him up is an act of moral imbecility. And that is precisely what Tucker Carlson did. He built Nick Fentes up. And he ought to take responsibility for that, just as he ought to take responsibility for glazing, pornographer, and alleged sex trafficker Andrew Tate, or for mainstreaming fake historian and pseudo-Nazi apologist Daryl Cooper as America's best and most honest popular historian. Hosts are indeed responsible for the guests they choose and the questions they ask those guests.

So in other words, guys, you're not allowed to have anybody on your show that has a different opinion. Yeah, that disagrees with you. What about Pierce Morgan? He brings people on all the time that disagree with him. Exactly. But now they're giving him hell for that as well. Yeah. And what about the other do Bill Moore's? Bill Moore. Yeah. I mean, he's always done that, right? Politically correct with Bill Maher, you know, that was that was something that kind of made his show famous, which is what Pierce Morgan kind of copied. Yeah, but it's in this what Charlie Kirk kind of stood for is honest discourse with people that disagree with you? Absolutely. Wasn't that what? Charlie Kirk stood by?

Absolutely. And now he's saying, you can't do that. Don't bring these people on your shows that disagree with you. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Unless you're just going to demonize them or whatever. The only way that we have free speech or the only way that free speech survives is that you have conversations with people that you either disagree with or people that most people

disagree with. And that's what the left has done for so long. It says, well, you're not allowed to platform these people. And not only did they say that to like show host, but the. they also said that to platforms, and they used the government to do that to where they would go to the government, Biden or whoever was behind Biden. They would say, hey, you go to YouTube. Obviously, we know about Twitter, you know, where the Twitter files unveiled that the FBI was basically pressuring Twitter and saying if you don't take these people off or censor these people or delete this or do that, then, you know, we're going to come down hard on you. This is the government using platforms to censor our speech.

and, you know, that's, that was why back when Biden and Harris were in and even Obama, where, and that's what I didn't love also about the first Trump presidency, because I don't think he did enough about stopping censorship on platforms. And I think right now it's about to shift the other way because I think censorship is still going to happen, but now it's going to shift into something that is, is what Trump agrees with. And I think eventually they will get Trump to a point where he is pressure in social media. platforms to censor people based on Israel or to based on criticism of that or based on criticism of maybe the turning point USA Charlie Kirk assassination investigation or even criticism of himself

of himself and Republicans right and this is something we cannot allow this is something we cannot get back into because this is what the left did but I what the thing I'm starting to see is that it's not just the left it is the government it is the big machine it is the deep state behind the the the curtain and and so we always ask ourselves of like who is the deep state? Well, I think there's foreign ties in the deep state. I think there's national, there's domestic ties in the deep state. I think they all are combined.

And I think it's being utilized by the intelligence agencies. But Ben Shapiro right here is basically saying we got to censor people that we don't agree with. And we should never allow anyone on that is not basically what I believe or what is my opinion, which is Ben Shapiro. Fourth, because we have a duty to truth, we also have a duty to provide you with evidence of the claims that we make. emotive accusations, conspiracy theories, and just gasping questions that's lazy and stupid and misleading. None of them are a substitute for truth. None of them are a substitute for evidence.

So when Candace Owen says, I don't know, no, but I know, that is retarded. And we are all more retarded for having heard it. So even with that, what he's basically saying is we're not allowed to ask questions. You're supposed to take the official narrative and run with it. And if you ask questions, then you are retarded, right? Or if you have a theory or you have a thought or maybe you have something in the background, you're lazy. You're a idiot.

You're a moron. If you question the fact that Israel killed thousands of people, civilians, you're retarded. And so you should not do that either. When Steve Bannon, for example, accuses his foreign policy opponents of loyalty to a foreign country, he's not actually making an argument-based evidence. He's simply maligning people that he disagrees with, which is indeed. Feed par for the course from a man who was once a PR flack for Jeffrey Epstein. Check the record.

Our duty to provide you evidence means we actually have to do much more than just ask questions. Just asking questions is something my five-year-old does, and it's really cute when it comes from my five-year-old. But when grown men and women spend their days just asking questions without, you know, seeking answers, they are lying to you. In fact, they're doing something even worse. They are seeding distrust in the world around you, and they are enervating you. in the process. So, for example, if many speakers, including Tucker Carlson and others, get on stage here at TPSA, and claim, without proper evidence, that Jeffrey Epstein was running a Mossad

rape ring being covered up by the Trump administration, they are not actually uncovering a conspiracy or effectuating a solution. They are claiming a special provenance to information they won't let you see, which builds their power and leaves you with none. And so I think he's saying the quiet part out loud, even though, you know, that's not like really mainstream but he's going to make sure that he mentions that point he's like no no no trust me it has nothing to him a sod has nothing do with intelligence ring epstein had nothing do with that trump's not covering it up shut the hell up you retard that's what he's

saying because he already called people that questioned things retarded that's what he says they're also implicating in their speculation actual human beings good human beings like cash patel and dan bongino and pam bondi and yes the president of the united states even if they're too cowardly to say President Trump's name. And that means you won't trust those good people in the future. You haven't gotten smarter. You've just been manipulated. I just want to say,

damn Bongino quit. Yeah, he did. And by the way, I'm pretty sure Ben Shapiro didn't use to even like Trump at all, really, if I remember correctly. So did want to point that out. We're going to play a couple more minutes this and we're going to get to Tucker. To demonstrate their evidence,

these same people will often refuse to provide it. They'll claim ignorance. They'll pretend they're outside the system, and they don't have access to actual information. You know, they're just asking questions. But many of these same people have direct pipelines to informational sources. So, for example, if Tucker wants answers to his questions about, say, Jeffrey Epstein, he could call the vice president of the United States. He's quite close with him.

But he won't, because that might undermine the empty speculation. None of this means there aren't actual real conspiracies in the world. Of course there are. But actual conspiracies require actual. evidence. Yes, there was a Russia gay conspiracy, and we know the names of the people involved in what they did. We know Hillary Clinton, Infusion GPS, and James

Colmy, and Loretta Lynch, and Adam Schiff. We know all of those people. Yes, there was a COVID-19 conspiracy. We know that Anthony Fauci worked to shut down alternative solutions from people like Jay Batacharya. But when people posit a conspiracy and then provide you no evidence, they are doing you

a fundamental disservice, and they are making you stupider in the process. sounds a lot like that he's desperately trying to cover up the Epstein conspiracy. Does it not? I mean, he didn't even mention that right there. He's basically saying people that are trying to talk about Epstein and Trump's covering up and Cash Patel's good people and Dan Bongino's good people and Mossad is just no way that's involved.

He's basically saying there's no conspiracy in Epstein. But there are conspiracies about COVID and this stuff. But Epstein, no conspiracy there. None. And that's what this whole movement, this push has been over the past year since. Trump has been in office. No, there's no conspiracy. It's all a big Democrat hoax.

It's all a bunch of bullshit. And we all know that is a lie. Yeah. And we're going to see the files and we're going to do a podcast about it tomorrow and see what comes out. Which is going to be nothing. I can promise you. It's going to be a bunch of redactions. Finally, because it is our job to make the lives of our audience better, right?

That's really our job is to give you more information to make your lives better. We have a duty to propose solutions. That's why we have to talk. about our problems in order to find the solutions. That's what politics was supposed to be about, after all, finding solutions to our common problems. If we speak endlessly about the problems we face, without ever positing a solution other than wrecking the system or centralizing power and a cult-like figure, we are not finding solutions. We are merely making problems worse. Just asking questions, positing vague conspiracies, raving like Alex Jones about the secret

confederacies that control your life. None of it makes your life better. None of it. In fact, it makes your life markedly worse. That's because if you truly come to believe that nothing in your life is in your control, you can't even take control of your own life. You despair of your ability to change your own circumstances and then you fail. And you must not fail. Guys, it's way better for your life to stop asking questions, stop looking around, do not even look at corruption, don't even look your government, do not ask questions to them and just live your life, guys. What is wrong with you, idiots? Well, how do you come up with solutions to the problems if you don't ask questions about

the problems? I mean, it literally sounds like he is, he's here to push a narrative, to push an agenda for the government, for the deep state. This is the new guy. This is the face of the deep state now. I hate to say it, but he is. And he's making it very clear here. Do not ask questions.

Do not look up. Just live your life and go about your business. don't ever ask questions. And maybe one day you'll wake up in tyranny. Maybe one day the United States will no longer be the United States for America. Or maybe one day you'll just wake up from a dream and say, oh, I have a solution, but I wasn't asking questions about the problem. Yeah, it's ridiculous. Because here is the most fundamental truth of all in the United States for all of its problems, many of which, a huge number of which are real and serious.

The United States is still the greatest bit of that begins with truth. We owe you that quest for truth. You owe yourselves that quest for truth. And true victory only constitution ever devised by man. Thanks so much. Happy to take a couple questions. There you go. So I'm very disappointed in Ben just going through his five duties as Americans,

what we should be doing. Not asking questions. Shutting the hell up. It just kind of reminds me of being on the opposite side when we were censored. the last four years. Yeah, absolutely. And that's what he's trying to do now. It's unfortunate.

Ben Shapiro's done, in my opinion. But, you know, that's what Nick Fuentes also says because he has the money and he has the, he has the power behind him. Keep that in mind. So Ben Shapiro is not going to be done. They're going to keep pushing him in front of you. They're going to keep force feeding Ben Shapiro in front of you while they're also trying to cancel and silence the people that are against that.

And so this is the world we live in now. This is no longer the world we used to live in, which, yes, we did used to get censored for COVID. and conservative values, Christian values, Christians still actually get censored today. Christians get brutally murdered around the world, but no one gives a shit about that. It seems like here's Tucker Carlson. This is not long after, I think it was like only maybe a couple of speakers after Ben Shapiro. Here's Tucker.

Thank you. Walking out is always such a trip at these things. I just got here and I feel like I missed the first part of the program. I hope I didn't miss anything meaningful. But I just want to say, I don't think I did. No, I'm just kidding. I watched it. I laughed.

I laughed. That kind of bitter sardonic laugh that emerges from you when like upside down world arrives. When your dog starts doing your taxes and you're like, wait, it's not supposed to work this way. To hear calls for like deplatforming and denouncing people at a Charlie Kirk event, I'm like, what? This is hilarious. Yeah. This is hilarious. Actually, one of the clips I was listening to myself, thinking as I often do when I hear myself speak, which is never, because I never watch myself.

But at these events, I always play, like, the role of you. And I'm like, that guy is pompous. Sorry about that. We don't see ourselves clearly. But the prediction that, you know, at some point when Republicans took power again, which I did everything I could. you know, to help and really felt that was important. I still think, you know, I was right. But I really thought that the impulse to de-platform people,

or even to use the word platform as a verb, which it's not, it's a noun, don't steal my nouns, de-platform and denounce, why haven't you denounce somebody else, the whole like Red Guard Cultural Revolution thing that we so hated and feared on the left that we did everything we could to usher in a new, time where you could have an actual debate. I mean, this kind of was the whole point of Charlie Kirk's public life. And I think that he died for it. I really believe that. And I know a lot about it because

the last several months of Charlie's life were devoted in part to arguing about this event, in fact, this speech, in fact, my speech here, which he asked me to do earlier this year. this summer and was immediately put under just immense pressure from people who give money to turning point, I would assume good people, but who wanted him to take me off the roster. And this is all become public, and the whole thing is so sad that I never talk about it, except to say Charlie stood firm in his often stated and deeply held belief that people should be able to debate, and that if you have something valid to say, if you're telling the truth, you ought to be able to explain it calmly and in detail to people who don't agree with you, and that you shouldn't

immediately resort to shut up racist. You shouldn't immediately go to motive. By the way, shut up racist is the number one reason I voted for Donald Trump. And because it's just sick of it. I mean, first of all, if I was a racist, if I was a bigot, I would just say so. Okay, it's America. You're allowed to be whatever kind of person you want. I'm not. I'm sincerely opposed. Have always been and will always be. But the style of debate where you prevent the other side from talking or being heard because you immediately go to motive, well, I wonder why you're asking that question. I wonder why.

Why are you asking that question? I detect in the question a certain evil in your soul. And everyone listening should know that listening to you implicates them. And that they someday may be asked to denounce you. and that friendship is not a reason to defend someone. Love is no defense. I kind of thought we'd reach the end of that. And as far as I'm concerned, we have.

And I'm not going to play by those rules. I'm not going to engage in that. If someone doesn't like what I think, fine with me, as long as I get to express it. That's my view. But since we're on the topic, I think I should take the opportunity to explain why Charlie was under all this pressure, and I think Erica, who I just saw backstage, and whom I love,

and who I can tell you, was totally committed to continuing the core principle of Charlie's public life, which is the right of every person to express what he believes that is rooted in Christian faith. We believe people should be able to say what they think because they have souls. They're human beings created by God. They are not slaves. They are not animals. They are not animals. They are objects. You cannot tell another human being to shut up, even shut up racist, because you don't own him. He is an independent, autonomous person created by God as an individual. Okay, so that's where that belief comes from. That's where free speech comes from. And there's no accident. This is the only country in the world that protects it because our founding documents were informed,

as you just heard so nicely expressed by Michael Knowles, my friend, by people who self-consciously incorporated Christian precepts into their structure of government. So Charlie was committed to that, but the people around them were like, you can't because it's not that Carlson's wrong. My only point was I don't want a land war with Iran. I got over my skis and said I didn't want another regime change war with Iran. Rather than explain why we should have a regime change war with Iran, which I'd be happy to listen to,

he's an anti-Semite. He's an anti-Semite. Which I said, well, obviously, that's not true. And I said, I know. And then it just didn't stop. So I continued to say, I'm not an anti-Semite. We don't care what you say. You're lying. You are. So let me just affirm one final time. Not only am I not an anti-Semite and would say so if I was. I'm not an anti-Semite for a very specific reason, not because it's unpopular or my donors don't like it.

I don't have any donors. I'm not an anti-Semite because anti-Semitism is immoral. In my religion, it is immoral to hate people for how they were born. Period. But that is not a limited principle. That is a universal principle. It applies to every human being on planet Earth. you may not, you are prohibited by my religion, which is Christianity, from hating people for how they were born.

Because God created them with his spark in his image. Because they have souls. You can disagree with them. You can hate their ideas. You may even find yourself, and I do, I'll confess it, hating them for a moment. But you can't hate everyone who's like them. You can't punish people for crimes they didn't commit. basis of our justice system. That's the basis of Christian ethics. That's why we have what are called

human rights. They apply to every human, not just your group, not just my group, but every group, every human, because we don't consider people in terms of the groups to which they belong. We consider them as individuals the way that God created them. So anti-Semitism is not just naughty, it's immoral. And this is a huge point I've been trying to make. It's like when everybody's like, no, Muslims are horrible because they do this and do this and you're an anti-Semite because you question Israel at this particular time, just like we've also questioned Muslims or radical Islam or ISIS or our own government or Christians. Like you're okay to question people or groups based on certain things they are doing,

but is never okay to hate all people based on how they were born. And Tucker makes an amazing point here. But it seems like what we are being fostered right now in media and what we're being fostered by. And I hate to say it, but on the back of the anti-Semitism thing is like, you must hate Muslims now. And or you must hate all these people. And if you even question this side, then you are anti-Semite or you were this.

The reality of this is is that no, it is we are as Christians, as people that are Jesus followers, and I've said this many times on the show, we cannot hate any group of people. We can question any group of people. But that's not what leads us to hate anything. anyone, right? I mean, and actually Jesus tells you and commands you not to hate anybody, actually to love your neighbor. But that doesn't, you know, when they start pushing the narrative that if you don't agree with killing civilians or hating a certain group of people, then you are this. You are automatically a hater of this side because they maybe hate this side or the

representatives of that side hate this side. But if you don't get on their, on their side, then you hate them. And that's just not what it is. That's not what Christianity is. That's not what Jesus taught. That is not what I believe. And so, and it's crazy,

to be honest with you, the amount of hate I have got for just defending innocent lives. And they say, oh, you're a piece of shit. You're anti-Semi, you're this, you're that. And it's like,

no, no, I'm just defending everyone's innocent life. The same way I would defend the 1,200 people that died in Israel. I defend the same people that die in Gaza or in Russia innocently or Ukraine. or in the United States. That's not to say that I'm on a particular side.

Well, I was just going to say me being a non-religion, I'm more spiritual. But I think what Tucker's point is very important and it goes across all religions is that we are all human and we all have souls and we are all made in God's image no matter how we were born. It doesn't matter if you were born Jewish, Muslim, Christian, you know, and we are. Why don't they ever talk about Buddhists or Hinduism? I mean, seriously. But we're all, we were all born in God's image. And we're all human and we're all individuals. And I think that's Tucker's main point.

It doesn't really matter what religion you are. We're all special in God's image. Yeah. It goes back to kind of what you say, that how religion is made to control people. And when you say religion, that doesn't mean you don't believe in Jesus. It just means that religion, right? So whether it's Judaism or Hinduism.

or Christianity or whatever the case is, there are factions of all those religions, these constructs that are used to control you in what you believe in your narrative and like, hey, you're supposed to be against Muslims. Yeah, and that's why I hate religion. I do not like religion. I don't like it. Yeah. I believe I was created in God's image, or I am God's image.

And he created me specifically to who I'm supposed to be. There is no another person in this entire world that is just like me. I am me, you know, and you are you. Yeah. And there's no other person as identical to you. No, absolutely. And, you know, Jesus also didn't like religion, right? I mean, he always actually preached against that.

And because religion is a construct of control, you know, I mean, it's the same reason that you construct a government, right? You have to have some type of control measures. And so religion kind of takes on that same thing instead of what religion is supposed to do, which is to spread the gospel and preach goodness and love and all these things. based on what Jesus did, they then created religions to control the narratives. And then I, in some ways, but see, I don't even like when you say based on what Jesus did. I think it's based on what God did.

God is the one that created us. But Jesus is the physical representation of God. Yeah, that is in your religion. That's not all religions. No, but it's not the religion. It's not the religion, no. It's not a religion. Jesus wasn't a religion.

Jesus was the son of man. He was, he was according to your religion. Okay. Let's just get past that point. All I'm saying is let's put God as, you know, almighty. God is the one that created all of us. Jesus is God, though. So anyways, let's continue.

As precisely as immoral as hating any other group. And that would include other groups in the United States that are hated and have been under attack for decades. And that would include white men who did nothing. To become white men, they were born that way. And just because you have a beef with a white man, let's just say Donald Trump, doesn't mean you get to punish all the rest of the white men in the country. And yet, our leaders, not just of our Congress, the executive branch under Biden, but of every major U.S. corporation, of every college in the country, probably except Hillsdale and two others, every single one for more than 10, years has engaged in a systematic effort to hurt white men because they are white men. That is racism that is precisely as bad as anti-Semitism, but it is much more widespread and has been so far

much more damaging. And my point is, if you said nothing about that, or if you encouraged it, by say cheering on BLM, which was an anti-white hate group and said so, then you have no moral standing to lecture me about bias. Period. Because all bias is the same. You are not allowed to hate people based on their bloodline. We do not believe in blood guilt. We reject blood guilt.

That's why our justice system is just. That's why a religion is just. every person has the possibility of transformation. Paul is wandering around, Saul of Tarsus is wandering around murdering Christians. Then he decides, well, I'll walk to Syria, and he's met on the road by Jesus, who changes him, and in one day he becomes the most energetic church planter and apostle of Christianity. In one day. He went from enemy to leader in one day.

And that possibility exists for every human being, every human being. that's what our Christian faith tells us. That's also what our eyes tell us. There are no permanent enemies. There cannot be. And I would extend this to even people who attack me from this stage. They would say, if we agree on something, I'm happy to be friends with you. You may even mean to be one day.

Well, I was mean to you too. That's all right. There is always the possibility that we can recognize we have more in common than divides us and come back together. There are no permanent enemy. There is no such thing as blood guilt and collective punishment in this country, in the Middle East, anywhere on the planet is totally immoral. And if you want to know what makes America exceptional, it's that idea. And it's our job to defend it.

What would you say to the many organizations now, and particularly this applies to the Anti-Defamation League, which has cheered on anti-white hatred for decades, has attacked to anyone who said anything about it, which has been one of the most aggressive cheerleaders for hate against white men in the United States, now trying to lecture the rest of us about hate, I would say it's enough to point out the irony of that. Come to our side, which is the side of humanity and oppose all hate against all people. Say out loud, hate against whites is every bit as bad as hate against Jews. it's a universal principle or it's not a principle. It's just a preference. If it's not a universal principle, it's not a principle. It's just a preference. It's just identity politics. And we've had enough of that. And that's the one thing that will destroy this country certainly. The only thing

that will save it is the understanding that principles upon which America was founded apply to every single human being always. So I just want to say that. By way of saying that I'm not just situationally opposed to anti-Semitism. I'm actually opposed to anti-Semitism. And I hope that the ADL will join me. I'll send the money, by the way, if they come out against hate aimed at anyone and everyone. I hope they will. But let me just say something more broadly about where the conservative movement, whatever that is.

And I do want to talk about this for those that do not understand what Tucker's talking about. the ADL is known as the Anti-Defamation League or Defamation League. And during Black Lives Matter, during that whole movement during the Biden Harris, also Obama, the ADL used a lot of their funding and their money to attack whites, especially white men. If you were a white man and a conservative in the United States of America, the ADL pushed a lot of their money to going after, you know, certain causes that would basically demonize. the white male in America. And they also went for propping up BLM and all that stuff. But you also have to understand the reason why Tucker's talking about this in context with Israel

and I think also with the situation in Gaza is the Anti-Defamation League is one of the most active and consistent organizations in the United States when it comes to defending Jews and Israel. And so that is its central mission. The ADL's main mission is to defend Israel and Jews. And so keeping in mind when BLM was going on during Obama, during Biden, during Biden Harris. They were some of the main pushers against conservatives.

They were the main pushers against this whole anti-white, anti-white male thing, propping up, I guess, the BLM movements. And so you can take whatever you want to from that. But just look up what the ADL is, what their core mission is, and then look up how much they were involved during the Biden-Harris administration, Obama administration, especially with the anti-white or anti-conservative movement. The people who voted for Trump, the Trump coalition, and the, the, you know, the, supposed civil war going on

within that group. I don't think it's real. I think it's fake. I think it's totally fake. I don't think, and I've had cause to think a lot about this because I've been unwittingly involved in the proxy war. There are two things going on here,

and I'm not guessing. One is jockeying for position post-Trump. So Trump created this amazing coalition, bringing in people who would never voted Republican before, but we're very enthusiastic about him. And that coalition took over the most powerful government in the history of the world. So there's a lot of stake here. And so the question becomes who gets to run it after? Who gets the machinery when the president exits the

scene? And there are a lot of people in Washington, maybe even in this room, who aren't quite sure what they want, but they know they don't want J.D. Vance. And so the attack, and you heard it from the stage tonight. There's someone here is a very bad man, and he's friends with J.D. Vance. could be me. I am sad about being used in a proxy war over politics in which I'm not involved in any level. I'm not advisor to anybody. But I just think I should say that out loud, okay? There are people who are mad at J.D. Vance, and they're stirring up a lot of this in order to make sure he doesn't get the nomination. So this is true. So this raises the obvious question, which is why are they mad at J.D. Vance? Such a nice guy. Which is. They're mad at J. J.D. Vance. They're mad at J.

Vance because he is the one person and things could change, of course, but right now, who really kind of buys the core idea of the Trump coalition. Now, what is that idea? Ladies and gentlemen, anyone know? Anyone know? America first. It's America first. It's really simple. Which I notice, some people are pretty anxious to retire that phrase. Remember when they told us? That's a bigoted phrase. Really? It is. And then they just decided to ignore it in favor of MAGA, make America great again, which I'm obviously for. But how do you make America great again by putting America first? Now, what does that mean? I'll be more precise.

It's not a complicated concept. It's a really simple concept. The U.S. government, the largest organization in human history with the most well-funded military in history, ought to, in all the decisions it makes, put the interests of American citizens first. That's it. It's creepy. Sounds kind of fascist. You're going to invade Poland now? No, just the opposite.

In fact, the original America first years were kind of against wars, and the current ones are, too. Actually, it just means what it sounds like. The government ought to serve the people who pay for it, who elected them, in whose name the business of government is conducted. That's all it means. Now, there are two things to know about this idea. The first is, almost everyone's for that. Like, what percentage, if you pulled that idea in the supposedly fractious Trump coalition that's in the middle of a civil war? What percentage of people would disagree with that?

Well, a few. You know, people whose names you know. Well, that sounds like America only. No, it's not. Just America first. It's simple. But like, probably 95% of Trump voters would be for that. And I bet you like probably 70% of people who didn't vote for Trump would be for that.

And if you calm down and explain it to them, probably like 90%. Why? Because it's self-evident like most true things. And moreover, and think this through for a second, there is no other legitimate rationale for running our government. We have self-government. This is a Democratic Republic. It exists for our benefit.

The documents were written that way. The point of the American Revolution was to make that point. And so if you're not operating the federal government on behalf of U.S. citizens, you're illegitimate. You actually have no right to rule. Period. And if you disagree, tell me what the other legitimate justification is. Oh, because my friends or people I agree with or in my interest group or, I mean, no. The government must.

must, this is non-negotiable, operate on behalf of American citizens. So, once you realize that that's the statement at the center of the debate, it all becomes pretty clear, really clear, actually. It's not an ideological debate. There's nothing ideological about that. I've got all kinds of kooky ideological views. I love Knowles' list of all the views. I probably had most of them in my long and varied life. I have fewer now. I just kind of want to see a good faith effort to improve the country. That's it. And I'm ever aware that I'm not exactly sure the right way a lot of times.

Are terrorists the best way to help the country? I don't know. I hope so. Not an expert. All I really care about is that the people in charge care. That they love the people they lead. That is the first and most important requirement of leadership. The father who loves his children may make mistakes, probably will, inevitably will. I did, but if he loves his kids, he'll do a pretty good job, and they'll be fine.

An officer who loves his men, you know, he can't control the battle, but they'll do better than the officer who doesn't. The president who truly loves his people will, over time, tend to make wiser decisions on their behalf. But the leaders who don't care at all, they'll destroy your country. And that is absolutely what we've had. That's, by the way, not noted. as an effort to black pill you

or an effort to discourage you or convince you you have no agency or control. You have a lot of control. You just change the government. Good. But if you want to know what the debate is going forward and what your job is going forward, it's holding your leaders to that very simple standard.

Not on tariffs or any of these specific policy questions necessarily, but on their motive. Can you look me in? in the face and explain to me why the thing that you are doing, the money you're appropriating, can you tell me why that helps our country and our people? Tell me how. And if you're doing the whole shut up racist thing, then I have a right to question your motives, actually. Why can't you answer the question? Why can't you answer that question? Why do you have to imply that some college kid is like some kind of Hitlerite or something because he's asking about an event.

Like, what? By the way, it is okay to ask questions. And I thought that was like the whole reason we were against the left. They're not going to force you to get up there and make ritual denunciations because this isn't my religion, it's politics. By the way, your politics do not trump my love for other people. brother once said i have one brother who's my best friend and he once said something lunatic as brothers do and i remember all these reporters one from the washington post which used to be a newspaper in in Washington calling me and being like will you denounce your brother i said son if my brother

went on a drug-related murder spree i would not denounce him what are you for drug-related murder sprees no i'm from my brother and nothing thing will ever make me not for my brother. Now I'd probably tell him no more drug-related murder sprees for you. I'm not for that. I'm not for a lot of things, actually. But I will never, ever denounce people I love to satisfy the mob. Right?

Crazy. So as you think through, like, what should this movement be and what side should you take on the conservative civil war? You already know the answer. You're on the side of America First. And if they can't tell you why it's America First, you just won the argument, because they don't have one. Shut up, Nazi. It's no different from shut up racist. It's a little more annoying, actually. And I would just say this, too, because the passion is real, the anger is real. I feel it sometimes. I try not to get involved, but somehow I keep involving myself. and I try to read the internet because I don't feel like it's good for my soul, but, you know, more addictive than cigarettes. I quit cigarettes, not Twitter. I think I'm going back to cigarettes and giving up Twitter. Whatever. I don't want to burden you. Not kidding, actually.

But anyway, the point is, you need to remember if you're a Christian, and I think there are a lot of them in this room, that Jesus makes demands on you, and that holds standards for you that are very, different from those, as my friend, close friend, Russell Brand so beautifully explained, they're very different from those of the world, which really is controlled by Satan. It's hard even to say that because it's so dark, but it's also so true. So don't be surprised. When Jesus sends out the disciple, like one of my favorite passages in the Holy Testament, when Jesus in Matthew 10 sends the disciples out, he's just picked them like 10 minutes before. He's like, all right, I want you guys road trip. No money, no clothes, no staff. And by the way, going to get flogged, you're going to get beaten with whips and arrested. I'm sure they're all thinking, like,

what? I thought we were the winners here. And when that happens, like, don't worry about what you're going to say, the Holy Spirit will speak for you. And I'm like, I just can't get over the blaze way in which he just tells them the world is going to try and kill you, which, by the way, it did. I think all of them end up getting killed. And that's just the baseline. We're promised that. It's a fact. You get up and give a speech about Jesus. You talk about Jesus. You try to live out. His commands, you're going to get attacked. Okay, we know that. Don't whine. Here's the pitfall. Here's the trap.

Is becoming hateful yourself. And I sincerely believe that this is a spiritual battle. And I'm not saying everyone who disagrees with me is on the side of evil. I don't think that. I think I'm off and wrong. I know that I am. But I do think that fundamentally, this is light versus darkness. I do.

And darkness is characterized by rage and division and chaos and confusion. and light is God is characterized by the opposite of those things. And I've noticed this. There are attempts to make people hateful. One of the reasons people scream insults in your face is to provoke a reaction from you and make you hate them. They want you to hate them. They want you to become what they call you. Why?

Because evil feeds on hate. That's why. So don't participate in that. And the way that I try to keep myself from becoming what they say I am is by remembering that I am on the most basic level, no better than my persecutors. I am no better than my persecutors. And that's why I'm commanded to pray for them, because we have all fallen short of Jesus, period. And I'm reminded that every day in the structure of the Lord's Prayer, where we have all fallen short of Jesus, period. where we first are told by Jesus to ask for forgiveness for our sins before we start diagnosing

the plank in our neighbors, or in the spec in our neighbor's side. The whole thing begins with, I'm a pompous douchebag. I'll admit it. That's essential. It's essential. We are called to be righteous, but not self-righteous. and we're also called, and I have to say this, before opening it up to your hostile questions, we should also be very on guard against people who try to leverage the word of God,

the words of Jesus, for political ends. That is one, that is a dangerous thing to do. I don't want to do that. And I attempt every time, this is all sort of new to me, I'm so obviously not a great Christian that it's It's not like a lot of people are going to be like, oh, I want to be like him. But there are people, particularly Christian ministers, I have noticed, who are preaching a political message and pretending that it's the gospel. So let me just say, and I think my theology is right, I'm hardly a theologian, God is not on any countryside. side, certain countries can decide to be on God's side. And that is true for people too. Okay?

God doesn't have a partisan affiliation. He doesn't have a nationality. And if someone is telling you otherwise, that is just not true. It is not true. And I would also call your attention to the very obvious prohibitions in the New Testament against killing the innocent. We are not as Christians allowed to kill the innocent, period. We are not. And you see elaborate arguments on behalf of doing so or ignoring it, oh, that always happens in war. Well, you're right. One of the reasons I'm not that into wars. But when it does happen, unavoidably, we have to say that's wrong. We have to say that. We have to acknowledge that was wrong. And I'm sorry for the extent to which I participated in it. Forgive me. Because killing people who committed no crime is immoral.

It will always be immoral. And people who do it will be punished for it. And nations that endorse it will be punished for it. That's a fact. And you are seeing now, you are seeing now a very intense effort to convince you otherwise. Oh, it's fine. They deserved it. Really, did their children deserve it? If a man commits a crime, do we kill his kids? I don't care if it's in Minneapolis or Gaza City. No, we don't. And if we do accidentally, we say, I am so sorry that we murdered someone who did nothing wrong because it is murder.

And to see Christian pastors make excuses for that is one of the most, and that's not a partisan question, that is not a political question, that is the only question that matters. Do we have the right to murder? people. And the resounding answer that Christianity provides us is, no.

I don't get into the whole debate, you know, dispensationalist, you know, or whatever, replacement. I'm an Episcopalian, okay? I don't enter these debates, or was. My theology is super simple. I like the beatitudes. Read them yesterday.

I actually think, was it Michael reading some of them here? I think any person, any honest person say it's the essence of the Christian faith and killing tens of thousands of children and then making excuses for it on behalf of a foreign government is not in there it's antithetical to that sorry it doesn't make me a hater it makes me the opponent of hate so now that i've alienated most in the crowd with my staunch position against violence and power worship and money worship which are also prohibited and we should also keep that in mind and in all of us is the desire to suck up

to power and accumulate money we don't need we're not allowed to sorry um anyway now i made everyone mad are there any questions uh that i can answer there you go tucker thank you so very much for speaking the absolute bombshell truth which is hey we shouldn't kill innocent people doesn't matter who you are christian faith teaches you that's not allowed and if you even talk about it, stand up against it. You are criticized. You are called anti-Semite. You are this.

You're that. You're desistationalist. You're all of this. And as you heard the crowd here in turning point USA, you know, in comparison to Ben Shapiro, which was like, hey, silence everybody. Do not ask questions. Just go about your daily lives with your head down. Whatever the government is doing, just trust the government and trust people like me, Ben

Shapiro. That is going to tell you that you just got to shut the hell up. And if you don't, you're retarded. Okay. You heard all the. applause for him versus Tucker Carlson that says we should not kill innocent people. That's not what Jesus did. That's not my Christian faith believes.

I don't give a damn who you are. God was born as, well, first of all, God is not, I mean, he is a person, but the reality is is that he is supernatural. Jesus is supernatural. He is the God of all, of all people, of all living things on this planet. And he made a pretty interesting point here to where it says that if you think that God is a particular person for a particular group that is not at all the truth. I mean, God is God. He's the one that created this world and everything.

Right. Like every living thing he created. And it's just so crazy to me how, you know, listening to this audience in Turning Point USA and even Tucker knew he's like, well, now that I've alienated you because I feel like that we shouldn't be killing innocent civilians and not even just us, like four. nations and we shouldn't get behind this shit, right? And we shouldn't be criticized or put down or called names for denouncing that, right? Like, the crowd got quiet. So what does that tell us about our conservative and Republican and just moral movement in this country?

Well, and he was shifting very fast. And he's, he kept mentioning there is kind of a civil war between Republicans right now. There's the woke Republicans and the Republicans is what. they say now. And there's a huge divide in between the Republican Party. Yeah. Yes, there is. No, I know there is.

I wasn't saying no to that. What I'm saying is that, though, it's not about woke Republicans and Republicans. Well, for Republicans and Republicans that have different views and values. Yeah. Like, so on one side of the aisle. And look, I see this all the time on social media. You'll see Republicans that say, I don't care how many kids they kill in Gaza. I mean, there's a lot of influencers that have been pushing this.

And, you know, it's like. what? And you call yourself a Christian. These people literally have in their bio is Christian, Jesus follower, Republican, and have a cross in their bio. And then a lot of these people say, I don't care how many kids they kill in Gaza. There are pastors saying this. Well, they're saying this is war and this is what happens in war. Yeah. It's like, oh, this is what happens in war. Sorry. Sorry, but not sorry. And so this is where we're at in this country. This is not just in this country. The reason why America has always been what many people believe to be better, the reason why there has been so many laws and so many moral values, the reason why we had found in fathers in the Constitution and America was at one point in time built on Christian concepts, right?

Which is at the very least morality and what we think about other people in the world. That's quickly changing. And it's quickly changing for a lot of reasons. And religion does come into that. So the same reason, by the way, that you have these videos that are being pushed up and propagated on social media, people like Jake Lang, where they're going to Muslim events and they're putting the pig heads and they're throwing pigs of these people and they're burning the Quran and they're doing everything to incite these people. You know, the same reason you don't do that is the same reason you don't do anything, which is, you know, you don't hate your neighbor based on their religion or a belief. But it's kind of the exact same thing that was happening at the college campuses when there were. like really being anti-Semite.

Yeah, well, I know anti-Semitic. But, you know, I, the same, okay, well, let me put it this way. The same reason I say that like there are. I think it's wrong on both sides. But what I'm telling you is is that I don't think a lot of this stuff that we're seeing that is pushed mainstream media is authentic. The same reason I don't think that Republicans, these people that are going into these Muslim communities, I don't think a lot of these people are authentic.

A lot of them are like independent journalists supposedly. Supposedly. But they're being paid. They're being influenced. They're being propagated. They're being pushed up by someone. And they're being utilized, I think, to do whatever they possibly can to incite violence or to incite some type of response to get these videos, to get these viral videos to make everyone see. Look, here's Muslims.

Here's the hate. Now, I want to go into something. I want to talk about briefly. Well, just real quick, before you change the subject, though, Chad. I think that you had a key word. and the key word is paid. A lot of these protests that go on on either side is because they're paid by an influence. Somebody's paying these people to do it.

It's not they're doing it free will. They want to be out there to antagonize somebody. No, they're getting paid to do it. Yeah, not all of them. It is on both sides. Yeah, not all of them. But some of them are. Okay, who's not doing it that's not getting paid?

No, I'm saying even people on Republicans and Democrat sides, not all of people that come out for Democrats or Republicans are being paid. I'm talking about protesters in general. We're talking about provocateurs. Yeah, if they get paid. Yes, but what I'm trying to say, Sherry, is that back in the day, they used to have to use federal agents or employees to do this. Now they're just paying social media influencers to go out and do it.

It's a lot easier because they're not connected to government. They're not connected to the FBI or CIA. Yes, obviously, both people on both sides are paid. Not everyone on both sides are paid. And there are some people that are in the Republican Party that are going and protesting certain things that are not paid at all. These people are just going out there. They're seeing on mainstream media. They go out.

They get a camera. They get their cell phone out. They start recording. They get a following. Then there are others in the Republican Party that are all that are actually paid to incite things and to get propped up. Same exact thing with BLM. That's the reason why there was so many of these white people at BLM riots. And in so many of these people that were throwing bricks and doing all this stuff, same thing.

January 6th. There are always people that are going to be the paid provocateurs. Right. And then they're going to bring in people on the other side. Not everybody always agrees with the same political stance or party. Yes. And I get that. And let me just bring up this experiment that we talked about on one of our podcasts that what happens to people when they see other people do things, you, I think, actually brought it up. When people went into an elevator, all these people that they were paid and they were paid to like stand right and they weren't looking at the door. And then the people that came into the elevator, they're like, what the heck is going on?

Why are they standing and not even looking at the door? Why are they standing to the right? And then they all started standing to the right because other people were standing the right. It has a lot to do with that as well. Yeah, you don't need to pay everybody, you know, and you don't need to pay everybody on the No, but people will follow. Yeah, of course they will. I mean, it's lockstep, it's sheep.

There are a lot of people that are sheep and they'll go do what they think is what they're supposed to do, whether what, you know, and the mainstream media also helps incite this. They consistently talk about whether it's BLM, whether it's the anti-Semitism thing, whether it's this or that. They push people to their own thought conclusions, right, based on what they've seen. It's almost like it is mass formation psychosis. It is a type of brainwashing, you know, whether it's the videos that is in your algorithm to where you see, like, say, for example, all you see in your algorithm is a bunch of black people beaten whites or you or if you're black, you see the opposite where you see a lot of videos of white people being racist or if you're Jewish, you see a lot of white people being anti-Semitic or if you're white, you see a lot of

just anti-Semitism, anti-white shit. It is all developed. The algorithm is being utilized to divide us even further than it's ever done. And there's reasons for all this. And most of the reason always comes back to power and control. The main thing about what Tucker said here and the did. difference in Ben Shapiro's speech in Tucker's is very clear. Ben Shapiro wants to censor and silence you.

Ben Shapiro says, do not look up, just look down, do not ask questions. I don't care what it is. Trust the government. Trust people like me. Trust the people that are paid and influence by whoever it is, foreign nations and domestic government. But also, like, if you do ask questions, you're retarded. And then Tucker just saying on the other side is like, look, you know, I don't give

a damn like what your stance is on anything. Number one, America first should be the most important if you're in America. that is his stance and he also said his good friend jd vance that is his stance as well and that's why a lot of people are kind of going against jd vance because he is america first and there's a lot of people out there that are probably influenced but they feel like we have to keep up paying for outside countries that influence us that we have to keep paying and we're saying and well, Tucker Carlson saying, we got to take care of the people here in America first. Yeah.

We got to, this is the most important thing. We pay the taxes for our government to take care of us. Yeah, I mean, with a JD-Fance thing, you know, that was the one thing. I don't know if I 100% agree with Tucker on because I don't know how or America first, I guess you can say J.D. Vance is. You know, I just don't know. I mean, I do know that he's been lockstep with Trump on all the very pro-Israel stuff. He's definitely MAGA, but I think he also wants things.

initiative of America first. Yeah. Well, look, I go back to this, though, Sherry. There was just a huge poll just released today. And J.D. Vance was loosened to AOC for president of the United States in 2028. And from what I've understood from various different sources, PBD, they all kind of looked in, PBD, Tucker. There was a couple other ones that looked into these polls.

And this is one of the most accurate polls pre-election that we've ever had. Yeah. And this is three years into the future. Three years. So this just kind of gives you, I mean, it's, obviously doesn't tell you who's going to become president. It just gives you a consensus of what people are thinking. And it's what I've been saying this entire time is that right now there has been a lot of shift.

And obviously the Republican Party is fractured. And, you know, it's not that I don't, it's not that I believe people are out there actively trying to fracture their Republican Party. We're not obviously working for the Democrats at all. But it's just there is a lot of stuff that Republicans right now are doing to themselves to where they're shooting themselves in the foot. And, and like, Democrats don't have shit. like when in a million years when we think the AOC would be leading a Republican candidate at all leading up to 2028

and it's based on what Trump and them are doing right now it is based on how they're reacting to Epstein how what their stance is with Israel it's based on all these things and on top of that it's like all the fracture within the actual party but then I'm literally looking here guys as we're sitting there talking we're about to wrap this up but you know from the initial releases we've seen so far

which I guess a lot of this has to be released by midnight we're seeing massively heavy redactions to the Epstein files. Yeah, we already said that we're going to see that. No, no, I'm saying like unlike we've never seen before. So we're already starting to get some reports coming out and they're saying this is basically the Epstein files and it's all just a black page. So we talked about this earlier. I had worried about that, especially when Pam Bonnie and all of them said, well,

we're going to have to really, you know, redact for national security, for this, for that. Like, why would it be national security? if this is about nothing to do with intelligence, if this is about some pedophile that was trafficking kids, obviously we know, potentially thousands of kids to thousands of pieces of shit, why would that have to do with national security? They're almost telling you, they're almost trying to tell you without saying it, but it's like there's a lot not making sense. And what I will tell the Republican Party right now, no matter how much applause you just heard from Ben Shapiro. no matter what they want you to believe was the righteous speech last night between Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson. That's not what the American public truly believes. The American public is all day going to take Tucker's side with that speech.

Then they're going to take Ben Shapiro. Well, and most Americans want America first. They want America to be great again. Of course, everybody wants America to be great again. Even Democrats want America to be great again. They don't stand by MAGA because it comes from Trump. but the important thing is we are voting on our country and this is our country. And so, yes, we should think about our country first before we think about other countries.

And that is the simple message to it. Yeah. And so when people don't think that's happening, whether it's all those various things, but also like how this DOJ rolls out the Epstein stuff, I mean, that is potentially really going to hurt the Republicans. And I have a feeling, I don't know yet. you know we're going to find out a lot more from now till midnight tonight about what the Epstein files are showing like what it's looking like so far you know with AI now you can kind of run through and say like what's the redaction rate versus non-redacted what names are mentioned who's mentioned what pictures how many pictures who's implicating you know AI does pretty good at that

stuff I just have a feeling whether we do this episode tomorrow night or Sunday and it probably will be Sunday because I don't know you know I don't know if more stuff's going to come out tomorrow, I have a feeling we're going to be disappointed. And what's going to be like the JFK files. And listen, there's no excuse at this point anymore at all. Like if you are the quote unquote make America great again administration, if you are the swamp draining the swamp administration, there's no excuse for you to be redacting, especially the people that were these kids were being trafficked too.

Yeah. Hold them accountable. There should be zero protection for any of these people at all. I don't give a shit who you know, who Israel knows, who the CIA. knows, who Mossad knows, who was Trump's friend or this friend or that friend or Google's friend, doesn't matter. This is not about elitism. This is not about power.

This is not about like who's the most powerful against the most protected. This is about what American people demanded and have been demanding, which is a huge reason, by the way, that the Trump administration was voted in is because most people believed in transparency. Most people believe, hey, we're finally going to get a transparent administration. And I'm telling you, Republicans, I promise you. And I don't know who is advising Trump and the team. I just really hope that they are actually transparent with this Epstein file release.

And if they're not, you might as well, you might as well go ahead and get ready for AOC as your president in 2028 because it's not going to be a Republican. I promise you. Yeah, we got to figure something out. Well, something's got to be figured out. And I'm not exactly sure what it is. But guys, that's going to do it. We wanted to go through both speeches. I want you guys to tell us, right?

I mean, you heard Ben Shapiro had loud applause. You know, it was like he was saying all the right things to these Republicans in turning point USA about censorship. And we got to censor people we don't agree with them. We got to just put her heads down and shut the hell up. And then you have Tucker saying, look, I'm a Christian. I follow Jesus. We shouldn't be killing innocent people.

America first. America, not only, but America first before anybody else. Because, you know, our taxpayers are paying the government to protect us, not other countries. All of our taxpayer dollars where it's insane, like in America, once you start being a little bit successful, it's like it hurts you more. You have to pay more money to the government. And are you paying more money for your government to help you and look out for you? Are you paying more money for your government to help Ukraine or Israel or whoever else?

And that is the huge problem. But what I do want to say is I want to pour one out for Tucker Carlson as he murked Ben Shapiro in that speech in my opinion. And we're going to play it out with Burn Away by a Nick caution. That is NYCK caution. Guys, until next time, peace out. Peace out, guys. I photo war for rail behind

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