Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Tucker Carlson vs Nick Fuentes | The Conservative Cage Match Breakdown

Episode Date: August 11, 2025

Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson have gone from being on the same side of the political spectrum to throwing public punches at each other, and it’s been wild to watch. It started with a Candace Owens interview that Fuentes called a setup, and it’s spiraled into accusations of being a government informant, personal insults, and digging up old dirt. In this episode, we break down how this feud started, what’s been said on both sides, and what it means for the bigger picture in right-wing politics. If you want, I can also give you a shorter, punchier version that’s built for Spotify and Apple Podcasts so it grabs listeners fast. All of this and more on this episode of Tucker Carlson vs Nick Fuentes | The Conservative Cage Match BreakdownCheck out merchandise store here

Take my hand if you dare to stay. Feel the rush. Take my breath away. Hello and welcome to Investigator of Podcast. I'm your host shot alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. On tonight's episode, we're going to go over a conversation this happened over the past couple of weeks. We've seen one of the stranger public fights of the right.

It started when Candice Owen said down on Nick Fuentes for an interview that Fuentes quickly claimed was a setup or a hit piece meant to make him look bad, then took across jumped into the mix. Not only did he suggest that Fuentes might be a government informant or a Fed, but he also threw in a pretty personal jab calling Nick Fuentes an angry gay kid. Fuentes didn't take that lightly. He fired back, accusing Tucker of lying about his own past, even bringing up old interviews where Tucker talked about his dad's CIA ties. What's crazy about all this is that it's not just a political disagreement, it's turned into a full-on personality clash with each side digging up dirt and throwing it out there in the open.

and the whole thing is playing out right in front of us like reality TV for political junkies. Guys, welcome to the show. It is August, 10th, 2025. The name of this song is Supernova by Hallman. And we had to do this episode because this has been a pretty big conversational piece for a lot of people on especially the right. But obviously, the left is going to use this. They are going to plaster it everywhere. And it seems like there has been a lot of infighting, especially after the Epstein Files saga,

where Trump has went back and forth about four or five times. Whether they have the files, is it a hoax, is it not a hoax? Are we going to release the files? They then sent obviously their deputy AG to go meet with Gislane Maxwell or Gislane Maxwell. They even put her up actually in a hotel during this time. So she was transferred out of prison, put in a hotel. They went and met with her. And this was ahead of when Congress was wanting to actually interview her in front of Congress.

Now to the Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson thing. I have obviously had issues with Nick Fuentes in the past, you know, especially leading up to the 2024 election. Nick Fuentes and his history was that in around 2016, the first Trump election, Nick Fuentes was a big Trump supporter. He was MAGA. He kind of got on the bandwagon of Maga and Trump and the whole nine. And so according to Nick Fuentes, it wasn't actually until he started questioning things about Israel or APEC about why does Israel have someone? so much influence in United States politics in general. And so it wasn't long after that that Fuentes got banned on basically all social media.

He got debanked. He was not able to have a bank account in any way, shape, or form, which literally should be just one of our constitutional rights as citizens is to be able to have a bank account, not based on what your political views are, or not based on what your freedom of speech says that you can say. But unfortunately, we've seen that in many cases. we saw it with Alex Jones, we saw it with Nick Fuentes, we literally saw it with Donald Trump himself.

There were two major banks that Trump had a lot of money in that they also debanked him. They took out his ability to be able to actually have bank accounts and two of some of the most major banks in the United States of America. And it's interesting, obviously they have replatformed Donald Trump on those banking systems. But Trump kind of went through similar things. Trump was also banned on all social media while he was. as a sitting president of the United States.

And it's always been interesting to me is because, like, now that Trump is back in office, this is his last term, you know, you have all of these tech giants, all of these tech billionaires that are from Silicon Valley or wherever that are now coming to Trump's aid. And they're like, hey, we want to help you any way we can. We want to invest millions or billions of dollars into your administration. And we want you to help us. And we're not going to be censorship, you know, authoritarian. You know, we've heard all of this before.

But it also seems like now, and there's people that are speculating, is this fight between Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson or even just the whole saga of the Epstein files and how Trump and Pan Bondi and Cash Patel reacting to this? Is this something that is coordinated from the left? You know, is this something that they have a mole inside of the White House to where they're trying to just completely disrupt the momentum from the right that obviously we saw during a 2024 election where you had Trump taking all the swing states. You had, you know, him being essentially voted as one of the most voted for presidents in history, although they tried to say that about Joe Biden himself.

And so tonight, we're going to talk about Nick Fuentes. We're going to talk about this interview between it was actually Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens. Candice Owens came on Tucker Carlson's podcast. This was about a week or two after Candace had Nick Fuentes on her podcast. And so typically, Sherry, you kind of see all these people. which, you know, for forever has got along, you know, these people are on the right predominantly. Obviously, Candace Owens is, Nick Fuentes predominantly is. You know, most people call Nick Fuentes a white supremacist and all this stuff.

But then you also have Tucker Carlson. Obviously, he has always mostly been on the right. I mean, he did used to work for CNN. And then he obviously worked for Fox News. He had one of the biggest shows on Fox News, Tucker Carlson, tonight. And now he is on his own. So that is where we're at in this saga. And obviously, Sherry, we've talked a lot about Nick Puntas.

I didn't used to agree with a lot of stuff that he said or did or talked about. I think one of my biggest things always was is that when you talk about Israel or you talk about Israel's response to October 7th or whatever, it was like Nick just wanted to blame all Jews on that instead of just the government of Israel. Well, I think that you started disliking Nick during the election process when Trump, was going against Harris, as a matter of fact, and he was supposed to be like this big MAGA guy, and he had all these MAGA fans that were listening to him and he was influencing them. And he was basically saying, don't vote for Trump.

And these are the reasons why. It wasn't really that much to me about Israel, but it was more about him going against MAGA and going against Trump is when you started not liking him to the fact where you would go to his inbox and have arguments with him over the fact that. that he was trying to put people against MAGA when he supposedly this MAGA guy. And you thought at the time maybe he was like set in place to do this to try to get people away from MAGA. Like a Fed. Right.

Yeah, absolutely. And so to that point, though, you know, as as we are going to hear kind of the back and forth, whether it is with Tucker and Candace, where this all kind of sparked from. Really, it actually sparked from the Nick Fuentes and Candice Owen's interview. But yeah, we're going to kind of put it all on. perspective because Sherry, you're right. I felt like even at that time, and I literally told Nick Fintes on some of his post on X, and literally the only reason that Nick Fintes got a platform again was because Elon Musk bought X for $45 billion. And it gave Nick another opportunity to bring the people back that he once had, because as I said, he was banned on pretty much

everything. And so when he started to have this platform back leading up to 2024, there were things that Nick were trying he was trying to convince his base not to vote for Trump right and so that was where I started having a problem because because now you have Tucker Cross and saying I think Nick Fuentes is the Fed and you know when I hear it now and I and by the way I think in this argument between Tucker and Nick Fuentes is really hard to completely take a side which we're going to I'm going to take a side after we hear everything tonight but is is Nick Fuentes a Fed? Is he a political motivator based on a government position?

So is someone funding Nick Fuentes? Because I actually thought that leading up to 2024. Well, and what's crazy is I, you know, everyone knows that my brother is Jewish. And I talked to my brother on a regular basis. And when Tucker Carlson was still with Fox News, towards the end of his time there, I would talk to my brother. And my brother is like, he is an anti-Semite. My brother was calling him out as one talking about Tucker Carson.

And I was like, why? I don't get it. Like, why do you think that? And I guess it was because he was kind of going against Israel. And anybody that goes against Israel must be an anti-Semite. Which is wrong. But here we go. We got two guys that kind of have the same views calling each other out.

But they both don't like Israel. Yeah. Well, it's not even that. Yeah, I mean, you're right. I mean, who is more likely an anti-Semite like in the, actual definition of the term, obviously Nick Fuentes. I mean, I don't think that Tucker Carlson comes close to an anti-Semite when you think about it on a scale. You know, you have Nick Fuentes here. He's way up here as far as anti-Semite goes or closer to that thing. And then you have Tucker Carlson.

But you also have to remember that anyone that disagreed with Israel after October 7th on what their response was and how they were handling it and kind of just the power and control structure. And then also the problem with October 7th for Israel was is that people started to do investigatory work to where they were like, all right. So why and how did this happen? Let's evaluate it. Let's see what's going on. And then there were a lot of people that started calling out APEC, right? And A PAC is a huge, huge funder of our politicians in America.

This was something that we talked about before that JFK wanted Israel to be, they had to register as a foreign agent or a foreign nation or foreign government influence. on politics in the United States or not just on politics, but if you, if you are coming to America or you have any influence in American politics and you are funding in any way, shape, or form, you should have to register for that. And then they basically control that to a degree that's like, you're not allowed to influence or politics. And that's why you have to register for that. Israel has never had to register as that.

They've actually have one of the biggest lobbying groups as APAC of any nation or foreign nation anywhere. And so although Tucker Carlson is, always kind of talked about that and not really heavily. I don't think Tucker Carlson has went out there to nearly the degree that a lot of you are, Nick Fuentes is. But Nick Fuentes, a lot of people think that he is an anti-Simau because he blames everything on Jews, not necessarily Israel is Jews.

And Tucker goes more about Israel. The government. But let me ask you, why does Tucker call him a gay boy in his mama's basement? Because I don't even get that. I don't even think he's gay. No, and he's not in his mom's basement either. Yeah, I mean, Nick Fuentes, regardless of whether he was debanked or not, you know, it's the fact is, like, he's made money over his career. Now, where that money is and how he transferred it.

And he was like 18 when he started. Well, he was on a track, right? Yeah. And he went to college and he was on the right side of politics during college. And when he started investigating Israel is when he said he kind of switched sides almost. No, not even to switch sides. He just, he started to realize things that when he started asking questions about a certain group or A-PAC or whatever, then that's when he started to be debanked.

He started to get completely censored and banned on all social media platforms. And so then this pissed him off, I think, even more. You know, when you think, when you start asking questions about a certain thing, and then that certain thing you're asking questions about completely destroys you, because that's what it looks like, obviously. If you're the one asking questions and you're kind of starting, to be vocal about it because you're not necessarily getting the right answers. And then about month or two later, that thing that you're asking questions about is still

there. But then you start being destroyed and your livelihood. Obviously, in my mind, I would think, well, that has to be the reason why I am being censored and banned and debanked and all of this stuff. And there's not a lot of powerful sources in the world that can debank people, right? There's not a lot. So why did he call him a gay boy? Well, I don't know about the gay thing.

I don't think that Nick Fentaz is gay. I don't think. Yeah, I think he's even talked about, like, it's really hard to even find a girlfriend because of his status and the way people portray him out in public or on social media. So I don't think he's necessarily gay, but why would Tucker say that he's a gay boy in a basement? I think it was just to piss him off. I think it was to jab at him and, you know, and say something because, you know, Nick Fentz is very well-spoken. He's kind of got that kind of feminine side, you know, when you hear him talk and all that.

And he's very intelligent. regardless and that's what Tucker does say. Nick Fintas is extremely intelligent. As soon as I started hearing Nick Fintas talk, I knew, like, this is not normal. It's not normal to have people that can sit in front of a camera. And I agree with this. Like us, we are on a microphone.

We don't have a camera on us, even though we're going to start doing more camera stuff on YouTube, see free live. If you want to go follow my YouTube, Sherry's going to have her soon. But, you know, on camera, when you're literally sitting there, the lens is on you,

and then you can literally portray something in 20 minutes. so meticulously and so flawlessly, regardless of whether what you're saying is wrong or not, Nick Fontes does an amazing job at portraying a message and doing it in a very meticulous and charismatic way. And that is what Nick is so very good at. And that's something that Tucker realizes because Tucker does the exact same thing. And it's not like he's getting on social media saying, all I two Nazis. Like, I am a Nazi and I hate Jews and all Jews should burn.

in hell and we should kill them all. That is not the message that he's sending. No. But in the same sense, I guess what you were saying before is instead of just blaming Israel as a government, he blames the actual people that live in Israel. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, Nick Fuentas obviously has also been lately, you know, there's Patrick Bet David,

for example, a huge podcast on YouTube. Patrick Bet David is, I think, close to a billionaire. He may be a billionaire. PBD has a lot of, you know, business ventures. He makes a lot of money. He does a lot of stuff. Value taming is this thing. But he also has a huge podcast.

And, you know, Nick Fuentes about a week or two ago, I said, look, you know, PBD won't have me on a podcast. He said this in one of his, one of his shows. And he said, it's because he says that I say the N word too much. And so, guys, we're going to have to start not saying the N word as much, you know, because, you know, PBD said, like, I can't have you on here. when literally you're on your show, say in the N-word, like every other chance you get. And the reality of Nick Quintas is that is he a white supremacist?

Probably. I mean, you know, if I have to look at it that way, he probably is. Is that one of the most important things for him? I don't know. I would say that he is a Christian white nationalist supremacist. He does want the lineage or the, I guess, the race of white people to be superior. He does, I believe. even if it's not the superior race he wants them to be.

I think the Nick Fuenttiz at least maybe believes that the white race is at danger or in danger from becoming, whether it be a minority, but an oppressed people, right? And I know that sounds bad shit crazy to some people, but there's literally a community in Arkansas right now that's being built as a whites only community. And there are also many communities in the United States that are now being built that are black only communities. So it's like we're segregating. ourselves. And that's always been. It's always been like that. Yeah. People tend to like to live in

neighborhoods with people of like culture. Yeah. And that just happens. I mean, there are neighborhoods that are mixed and have, you know, white and black. But, you know, if it was a majority of white neighborhoods and then you see all the black people moving in, white people notice that. And the same vice versa, if it's a black neighborhood and white people start moving into the black neighborhood, they're going to start noticing it. They're, see it. Yeah. But I think that part of Nick's problem was this. And you used to talk about this a lot. We have not talked about this lately, but it was probably maybe a year ago when everything was going against white males. Do you remember that? And if you were a white male, you became the bottom of

the totem pole. Yeah, disenfranchised. Yeah, you were no longer like who people wanted you to be. like and you were automatically racist or a rapist or something you were something you were you were lesser than everyone else and that has been a thing that has been going on for like eight or ten years now i mean especially since obama and ferguson and all this up right they utilize police brutality as a way to go against whites that's what they wanted to do it was not literally even i don't think a mission or an agenda or ideology or what i believe some type of government sciop type shit i don't even think it was that. I literally think it was just simply that the government wanted to figure out a way for the black and white community to be against each other. And one of the best ways they could do that

was they would highlight these police incidents, which I do believe we obviously have to have accountability in law enforcement, especially when these people have ultimate authority to either take you to jail, ruin your life, or kill you. You know, if they are the law, if they are the people that are supposed to uphold the law and they decide whether or not you have freedom or not, yes, you have to have accountability on that. But this is when I believe the government took charge in some of this police brutality. They blew this up alongside the media because you can't do it just by yourself. You have to utilize the media to do this.

They did it. They did it very successfully. They started riots. And then it started to shift the narrative of anti-police. It became all about white police. Now even during the time of like the Ferguson stuff, for example, you know, it was a white police officer with a black. male. But if you looked at, you know, during that month long time around the time that Michael Brown was killed and all this stuff, the Ferguson deal, if you look at like how many police

shootings of black males there were, there were many black shootings, like, meaning black cops that killed black people. And even in some cases unarmed. Right. So they didn't care about that, though. They didn't want to highlight that. They only wanted to highlight the cases of white police officers killing blacks because their whole goal from the very beginning of this was not necessarily to go against police. It was to go against whites. And it was to, it was literally to divide and conquer even further the black and white race. And so Nick Fuentes then, and this is what it's going to do.

When you start doing that as a government or a media or whatever, when you start saying that all whites are racist, all whites are white supremacist, all whites are this, all whites are this, all whites are this. You're going to breed more of those people that you are already saying that they are. When you start saying that all white people are racist because they're white, then you automatically start breeding people that are going to speak out even stronger against maybe what you don't or maybe what you do want. And they know that.

They have a very good, I guess you can say, thermometer on social and economic politics. They know exactly how to do this shit. They've done it for years. That's literally, I think, the reason why they murdered Martin Luther King because he was not instead of dividing cultures and people. He was bringing people together. And the government couldn't have that. Well, it's just like this case I'm following right now with Austin Drummond, the guy that was the quadruple murderer in Tennessee. You know, he was a white dude that was in the vice lord's gang.

And after the fact, four people have been arrested as accessory after the fact and they're all black. So when you look on social media now, it's now a blame game. Oh, you are just going after the black people. You just want the black people to get arrested because they were arrested after the fact. And they're helping this white dude. So it becomes a race baiting thing. Yeah, no matter what, yeah, it always does. I mean, obviously Austin Drummond is a piece of shit.

You know, he's a part of this, the vice lords gang. And yes, most of the vice lords are black. But this guy, Austin Drummond, that killed the four people in Tennessee just happened to be white. And you see that a lot. But, you know, when you go into prison, it's so interesting when you go into prison from everything that you ever hear from anybody's been in prison, you know, one of the ways that people survive in prison is to go with their race in most cases because, you know, if you want to see racism, go to prison.

Oh, yeah. They tend to stick together. Sorry, hierarchies. Yeah. And they stick together for whatever reason it is. It's like kind of goes back to like who do we guarantee is going to protect us. And unfortunately, into this. day's world, you know, black people in prison believe that blacks are most likely to protect blacks and

whites. That's why you have the white supremacists in prison and, you know, the, the black gangs or whatever, how they, how that's ever worked. And then you also have the, the Spanish and Mexican and Hispanic gangs and they all kind of stick together. I'm not saying that's a good thing. But unfortunately, in prison, that's how stuff kind of goes back to now. So to go back to Nick Fuentes and all this stuff, yes, people have called him a white supremacist. Yes, people have said that he's an anti-Semite. all of those things may or may not be true. That's for you guys to decide. What I can say about Nick Fintess is that he doesn't give a damn about what he says.

And he's going to say exactly how he says it. You guys can judge however you want to how he says things. He definitely even has views on like the way marriages should be and relations between man and woman and what women's role is and man's role is. And he's kind of like in some ways on that level if you think about like Andrew Tate. Tia. I said that because like Candace Owens, he's when they were fighting over the internet, he's like, listen, Candace, just take a break and go make me a sandwich. And when you calm down, come back and talk to me.

Yeah. And stuff like that is just ridiculous. I mean, I think stuff like that is stupid. But also at the same time, it's like, you know, this is what people sometimes do to rage bait. That's what it's called. It's like when I say something that really pisses people off like Nick Funt does, the reason why this guy had a guy. had a guy show up at his house to kill him. You know, this was after the whole video that, I think it was after Roe v. Wade and all this stuff.

And Nick Fuentes made a video on the internet and said, hey, hey, by the way, women, ha ha, your body, my choice. You know, that's what he said. So it was a huge thing. It blew up. And it pissed off from both sides. Well, I pissed off mostly left. But yeah.

Because most of the people on the right were like, this dude's just baiting. That's what he's doing. And that's what he does do. and he even for once actually came out and kind of apologize for that but there is some annoying kind of music in the background of this but this is just some of the highlights how some of this all started from the nick fintes and canis owens uh i guess podcast or debate or whatever you want to call it it's very it's not that long so you don't have to deal with the music and we're actually getting into the tucker and nick fintes back and forth uh here you go appreciate

the lecture you don't know me you know so i know you're married I know you're older than me, but you don't know me, you don't know my life, you don't know my situation. I don't think you're in a position to give me advice, especially as a woman, honestly. What is your dating life? I don't have a dating life. So you don't date? No. You have a perspective about who you want to marry.

Do you intend to get married? I do. I do intend to get married and have kids. So where are you out on that? I'm trying to get prepared for that mentally. What does that mean? You're 26 years old. I like my life.

I like being single. I like being a guy. I like what I like. I like reading books. I like doing my show. I'm a pretty anti-social person. And it's a big adjustment for a man to go from having a life where you can do whatever you want, go wherever you want, unaccountable, you know, everything like that. To then you have to be roommates with women and children.

It's a totally different lifestyle. And for someone like myself, I'm a pretty eccentric and, you know, kind of out there person. I don't have a regular sleep schedule. I'm awake all night. I'm asleep all day. You know, and my sleep schedule's moving around all the time. I like to go out on drives all the time.

The idea of like, you know, my wife sending me out the door, okay, be home by 10, you know, call me and tell me where you're going. Or, you know, I go on a trip. I got to get the car seats and buy all the plane tickets and stuff like that. You know, it's kind of cramping my style. So I'm trying to get over that, I guess. But that's maturing. Yeah, I think you should probably mature on that point.

I mean, what? Yeah, I know. You've got to tell me, I know. I want to go for drives. Like that would be something. I mean, if you are, do you attend the Mass? I do. Like, do you go every Sunday?

I do, yeah. Okay, so you're like a committed Catholic. And obviously, like, you know, the perspectives on family. I mean, I personally, and this would be me lecturing, but I just feel like you really have no idea who you are until you start a family. And whether that means just marriage, some people who are struggling to have children, okay, fine. but there's such a

growth that happens because of that that I think it informs your beliefs in so many ways and I think that was a huge turning point for me like I wonder if I had been pressed with everything that happened last year if I didn't have like the unshaken faith and my family what would I have done? And sometimes

when I see the things that you say I do think okay he doesn't take into account family it's just Nick Nick is in his own world which can be I think a quite selfish perspective which is fine that's what you're saying you like being selfish is another way to say what you just said i like being selfish and i don't want to give of myself to somebody else but i also think there's something self less involved which is to say i could go and start a family and drag them into a world of mine which is pretty chaotic you know

i mean is this really um the kind of a lifestyle if i'm banned on everything and i can't make a living i'm banned from banking i'm banned from credit card processing i'm getting docks people are shown to my house trying to kill me, things like that. And what's more? I mean, let's also get, you know, I also don't appreciate the lecture. You don't know me, you know, so I know you're married. I know you're older than me, but you don't know me. You don't know my life.

You don't know my situation. I don't think you're in a position to give me advice, especially as a woman, honestly. I don't think women, you know, this is something in the right wing. We say we're anti-feminist. And then women go around telling men what to do, we're not their husbands. And, you know, I don't really buy into that ideologically. But that's besides the point. You know, my life has been tumultuous from the very beginning.

From the time I turned 18, people are coming from my neck and trying to get me. And I was kicked out of college. And then, you know, once you're branded as an anti-Semite before it became cool or popular, can't get a job, can't make a living, get banned from PayPal, all this kind of stuff. You know, that's a very difficult environment to try to have a dating life. You know, what do I do? I go out on Tinder. I go to a bar.

And I say, hey, I'm a neo-Nazi, Nick Fuentes, that the ADL, is writing articles about every day. I'm going to start a dating profile on Tinder. People are going to screenshot that, mess with me in all kinds of ways. It's a very difficult predicament, actually, for me, because I took on basically a huge sacrifice at the beginning. And I don't know that you really appreciate that enough. I think that you're somebody who, you know, you had a career in politics for as long as I was fighting a battle. You were at Daily Wire with the contract. You're at turning point. You're making good money. You're doing book deals. You're part of this thing that I'm criticizing and paying a very heavy price for at a time when no one's saying those things when it's very

unpopular. And it's not to say that I'm a victim, you know, because I did it willingly and I love it and I do it again. But it is to say that, you know, you and I have lived very different lives. And, you know, it's easy, I think, for you to say you had your husband, have your kids, you got your ducks in a row, made quite a bit of money. Then you'd discover the truth and then you went out on a limb and it's not to say he didn't make sacrifices and it wasn't a risk and it paid off you're doing great now and i congratulate you but with me there was no calculation i mean i almost want to say i was 17 what's your excuse i was 17 and i woke up and i went balls to the wall bucket of ice cold water as you say i made a lot of enemies and maybe that wasn't

wise um you know but i told the truth and i took on extremely heavy cost for my personal life it It basically has made it so that I can't have a personal life. I don't even have many friends. Forget about, you know, dating women. I can't even really have a lot of male friends because there's such an incentive to betray me, to turn your back on me because there are people that are being paid to attack me all the time on Twitter for information about me, things like that. So, you know, it's something like everything else that I'm figuring out one step at a time,

just like my show. And, you know, when I get banned from something, you know, whether or not I'll be able to have a family and kids and what that'll look like. But I mean, it's a little bit, it's a little more complicated, I think, than maybe you understand. I feel like you just got super triggered by me, just saying something so casual. What was that about? You see, I don't appreciate that. You're like, you're like, you're a woman. I was just having a conversation with you just being like, hey, like you, there's a lot of growth that comes from when you start a family. Like, that's like, it's a pretty cool thing to do. And I feel like you got pretty triggered there and got

like a little upset. I don't know what I did there. I don't, I don't like that you say triggered. But you were a little bit. I'm being candid. I'm being candid. I'm being candid. with you and saying oh woman it's like you're talking about my personal life you're talking about my person we're having a conversation i talked to tons of people about their personal lives like why do you like this is that wasn't a line of attack nick i know wasn't a line so why you kind of responded like you were just attacked all right so there you go so that was a kind of a big i guess tough or tiff between nick puentes and kansas and now there's a couple things i want to say about this number one I 100% agree that Nick Quintez's life is not going to be very easy to date people or to have friends or any of this stuff.

And he said here in one instance, he said, you know, I was 17. What is your excuse? Like, you know, why did you not come out? Yeah, from the very beginning, right? And you eventually somehow found a truth and all that. The only reason that Candace Owens right now is out there on her own is because the Daily Wire basically canceled her because she had a little bit difference of opinion. versus Ben Shapiro and the Israel lobby and all that stuff. Right. And when you have a difference of opinion on Israel, you see what happens. Yeah.

I think it's when she called Jesus King and Ben didn't like that. And he was like, you're out of here. Yeah. And so also, too, it's like, you know, you also have to think about it this way. Like, you know, Candace, in my opinion, in this conversation was kind of putting down Nick in some ways that he didn't have a family. Yeah. And you got a mature. You're not, you know, acting your age.

You're 28 years older, however you are, and you should be like in a relationship. 26, 26, 28, whatever. But you should be in a relationship. You should be thinking about starting a family. But that was not his inspiration or his goals in the beginning. And what his goals were. And I don't want to bring Ashton Forbes into it, but it's kind of the same thing. Ashton Forbes is all into what he's into, like the free energy, you know, all these things.

It makes 70. that investigation. And he's, you know, he gets blasted from social media as well. It's hard to have a relationship when you're constantly blasted. Yeah. And it's not even that too. And I, and this is going to be a weird contradiction I'm about to make in just a second. But, you know, if you think about Nick Funtas here, for example, you know, anytime you start seeing someone that has a huge platform, and especially if you have a huge platform on social media, right? So in some ways, like there are a lot of podcasts out there. There are quite a few that have huge platforms. And if those podcasts also then have huge platforms on social media to where you can just

literally reach out to people with a couple sentences on your Instagram or your Twitter or X, whatever, Facebook, the system will notice that very fast. They don't notice it as much when you have big platforms on podcast, but they will definitely notice it as you start to grow on every platform, right? And so for Nick, it was like he went against the system from the very beginning. And they nip that shit in the bud as fast as they possibly could. Now, there's something else I have thought about. And I don't even know exactly how to say this.

But I followed a guy that is a country rapper in Tennessee, Ryan Upchurch. And Upchurch is, you know, he kind of in some ways created the, not created, but he was a huge influence. Yeah, and the country rap. Not even just country rap, but independent artistry to begin with. Right. I mean, just in whole. You think about people like Tom McDonald. and you think about, you know, even all the country rappers or just think about the independent

artist. Well, the difference in Upchurch and these other artists was that Upchurch was like somewhat a Nick Fuentes to where he did not give a damn. He would get on the internet. He would have post these videos, which is how Upchurch actually started. He started just getting on his phone, posting all this crazy shit. He would say the most wild shit ever. And it was just who he was.

It was exactly who Upchurch was. because he, when he was on camera, likely when he was talking to his friends in private or whatever, it was the same thing. If not even maybe a little more of himself on camera. And that's what kind of blew up up church. And so then he utilized that to become a huge independent artist. I mean, some of his videos on YouTube are, you know, 50 million views. Insane amounts of numbers.

So now you have Upchurch over the past couple years where you have certain people. Like he used to run in the same circles. and actually I believe he in some ways helped and influenced jelly roll. So, you know, everybody knows about jelly roll, right? Well, Upchurch and Jelly Roll were in that same circle. So was. And Adam Calhoun and all that. Well, even Luke Combs, which is one of the biggest country singers.

Luke Combs was in a music video with Ryan Upchurch at one point in. I think that video got 50 million views. And so I think there was in that video, there was a guitar that had a rebel flag on it or a Confederate flag. and so Luke Colms once he got huge, which is also from my area. I know a lot of people that knew Luke Combs. I didn't know him personally. But Luke Colms, I think, like after he became famous, he had to kind of come out and apologize about this video.

I think he, I can't remember 100%, but it's almost like he had to reach out to Upchurch to see if maybe they could take the video down. Once you get into the system, then you're a part of the system. Yeah, you've got to cross your teas and dot your eyes. And so Upchurch has always not been a part of the system. system. He has literally talked shit about the system almost on every occasion he possibly can. He talks shit about the music industry. The music industry is huge and they have massive influence and they have massive control and why? Well, you have to ask yourself, why does the music industry

have massive control? Because then you do not control the artist. If you have independent artists that are making it massive and you are influencing them based on your music and it's not the ideological music that the music industry wants you to produce. There's a reason why everybody that, you know, country artists from 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago are much different than they are today. There's a reason why country artists today sound more pop. There's a reason why they're on mainstream. There's a reason why they're not talking about the same shit they used to talk about. There's also a reason why they're, you know, they're partnering with rappers that then those

rappers also are talking about gang violence and prostitutes and hose and all this stuff. They want the connection from that type of people into that other world as well. And so when you have someone that's kind of out there going against. the system, you're going to be hated. And so Ryan Upchurch over to past six months, it is crazy how many people have left his life. I mean, people that have screwed him over, his own family in some cases, all of his best friends. Every single person around him has went with this other group of people that it's almost

like this other group of people has kind of been promised something. Like, hey, look, if we just, if we just eliminate him. Sign the dot on line with the bloody pin. Yeah. And so, you know, and a lot of people are like, well, upchurchs on drugs or something. That's what they want everybody to think. Well, he does kind of act like that.

Well, who knows? I mean, I don't know. He, but he's kind of always acted like that. And I think that's just who he is. But he's worse now. Yeah, but he's also having everybody screw him over. Yeah.

Including his own mother. Yeah. His own mother did. I think they're kind of talking again. But, you know, he just had a video producer. One of the guys that's been with him forever. He's left now. His best friend left.

Everybody's left. Now, you could say maybe it's just him. I don't know. I would still actually like to talk to upchurch and anybody knows who he is. or, you know, kind of a connection that I would like to talk to him about, you know, kind of that whole conspiracy side of this. But what I do want to go ahead and do is I want to get into the interview with, with Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens. And Tucker knew when he started talking about this that, you know, he knew what he was about to cause. And, you know, he said, I know what I'm about to do is about to get, about to get into some shit.

It's about to stir the pot. Yeah, absolutely. But here is the interview between Tugger Carlson and Candace Owens. And this is kind of what they talked about with Nick Funtas. Listen. That's a fascinating observation that has never occurred to me that the theater kids have taken, like literally. The literal theater kids. Ah, that's just.

Here's your next role. You're going to be present. Speaking of theater, I just hesitate even to ask this. but since because I mean it just opens up all this stuff I don't want to deal with. But you just interviewed Nick Fuentes. I did or had a conversation with him. What did you think of that? What do you think of him?

I mean, I can tell you my experience is, was entirely fraudulent with him. I, I never interview people as a gotcha interview. It's always just that he was making the rounds. He's been around for a while and kind of his story when I learned it because he was banned from everywhere. So I didn't actually know what the backstory was with Nick Fuentes. but then I learned it when he was allowed back on X. And Jeremy Boring, who was then the CEO of Daly Wire,

did this X live with him. Jeremy Boring did an event with Nick Fuentes? Honestly, it was weird. Everything was weird about what happened, but it happened. And Nick told his story, and I was listening in and said essentially that he was canceled because he started asking questions about Israel. He was 18 years old. And he alleged that it was very much the fault of the Daily Wire or whatever he said.

And I found it very interesting. and I was like, oh, I actually didn't know this was the back. Like maybe this really is a person who had, just ahead of everybody else was questioning Israel and had like a bad hand given to him. So I had him on the show, welcomed him into my home. And he was very nice. We told him we're going to cut a, you know, a controversial trailer. We're going to show you like these clips of you talking trash about me.

And you can talk about whatever you want for as long as you want to ask any questions you want to ask. It went great. He left. he said thanks we can now be friends and I am not kidding we published this 11 days later and he it was I don't even know how to he just starts screaming calling me and effing BITCHH who set him up we didn't edit a single thing those 11 days like two weeks before we even published the interview we told him if there's anything that he wanted us to insert like nobody does that if you go on their show yes and I don't know what I genuinely don't know what triggered him other than me at the very end asking him about like or talking

about family. And it was, it was just the rage that was coming out of him was just weird. And I don't know why he did that. I don't know why he did a 180. You had access to me. You could have said anything after you, even if he had said in good faith, I thought I sounded a little weird here. Could you cut it out? We probably would have cut it out because I just don't want people to ever not have a good experience coming out. You know what I'm saying. And I want to pause. I don't think Nick had rage when he responded to her about her kind of talking to him about, hey, you don't have a family. I don't think you really know who you are, Nick. Yeah, I think she was misdiagnosing his true feelings.

Yeah, and it's like, he's like, no, I'm just telling you, I'm putting it on the line. I've gone through all of this and I've gone through it a roundabout way and you've had the easy way and I've had the hard way. Yeah, pretty much. Absolutely. Yeah. And so like for you to say, you know, well, you won't actually know who yourself is until you have family. I mean, the reality is that I don't think that's true. I think just as much as family sometimes or having kids can make you who you are.

and it is very true in some cases. I think also the opposite of that can make you turn you into who you are. Being alone. Yeah. In some cases, it may be more. I mean, I don't have a kid of my own. I have a step kid. You know, but I mean, I and that's, you know, it sucks, I guess in some ways and not

have a kid of your own. But it's also like, you know, would a kid change my perspective reviews on the world? I don't think so. I mean, you know, maybe it makes me a little happier in some areas, right? Whatever those areas may be. I don't know, but it's not going to change who I am as a person. It's not going to completely shift my world views of what I think and what I believe. And for Nick, it's like, you know, Nick is someone that is by himself.

And he doesn't have family around him all the time. A wife telling him this and a kids and all this shit, you know. And I think it would be hard because I think if you had Nick Fuentes, whether you agree or disagree with him on things, I think Nick is needed in this world. And I think we need more people like Nick Fuentes to not give a dance. about what they say, regardless of whether it's wrong or right or whether you agree with it or disagree with it. And I think that if Nick Fuentes had a kid and had a family, Nick Fuentes would not be in the

equation as much or the conversation as much probably as he is now. So for him to be at home alone, thinking about all this shit all the time, doing these shows, making impacts in ways that other people are not doing because maybe they're toe in the line or they're not saying certain. I'll give you guys an example. you know, we already know what you're going to say. The last, I think it was like the last episode. It's like we got, you know, we got a couple of emails saying,

guys, you said bullshit or you said shit here. You sound stupid. I thought you're going to say something about us disagreeing with Israel. No, no, no. And you tow the line and you try to like. I don't really tow the line. I mean, I think. filter yourself to an extent because of your wife.

Well, I don't even, I don't even really do that anymore. I, you know, but, you know, even just the point of like, last episode where people were like, oh, you said bullshit or you said shit or you cuss too much. You sound like an idiot or whatever. I'm like, if you don't like listening to us, then don't listen, right? Oh, listen. I've got to tell you guys a quick story about that. You know, there are some people that didn't believe that I was a teacher, but I was a teacher

for a long, long time. And living with Chad, he does cuss a lot. And it's just part of his vocabulary. He cusses in normal, like, everyday conversations. No fucking way. He does. No, I think. And then during the summer, he does.

you know, I'll start saying shit or whatever, like, you know, during my conversations. And then when I go back to school, it's like I had to retrain my brain. Do not say what you're thinking. Don't tell the kid to shut the fuck up. Just say, be quiet. Oh, my God. That's funny. No, I mean, but it is true.

I mean, it is true. I mean, I do have a vocabre. I need, and I do, I guess at some point in times work on that, you know, when I'm asleep, but I'm not cussing a lot. But it's just part. But it is, it's part of your vocabulary. That's just the way you talk. To some degree.

Even normal like, listen, we can even go to McDonald's to get a snack wrap and Chad is cussing somebody at the light. No, I'm not. Well, first of all, people are dumbasses nowadays and it pisses me off. Sometimes I'll be more dumb ass. I'm like, okay, negative, Nancy, what is positive about this car in front of us? Nothing, nothing at all. Um, but yeah, I mean, no, I mean, yeah, it is, I guess in some ways part of my vocabulary for sure, but I mean, do I not want to cuss as much. I mean, I don't cuss like as like some people do do for sure. No, you don't. But, you know, I do cuss. But it's just so funny because and I've always often always said this all in and we've talked about on telegram with some of our listeners to where it's like, people are like, oh my God, you call yourself a Christian or you believe in Jesus and you cuss. It's like, it's like you're going to hell. This is the problem that like this is this. Well, It's this kind of talking point.

Jesus died for your sins. And so every time you cuss, it's a sin, but Jesus died for it. He did. He did. And it's just, it's interesting to me how people like to reach out and try to tell you how you're sinning, although they act like they're not because everybody is. And so, you know, and I've said this before. Like, I don't give a damn what people think.

Like, you're either going to listen to us or you're not. This is who we are. I don't give a shit what you think. If you don't like me cussing or saying shit or bullshit or fuck or. damn or whatever that don't listen you know don't listen and i don't really even say it very much i mean no i don't think you cuss that much no there's the podcast you cuss way more in like normal conversations probably than you do on the podcast but there's a reason why you know i i'll never forget there's a reason why i you know tried to do my very best at like not cussing as much on the podcast because

yeah i think it was like five years ago someone was like hey you know i i let my kids listen every once a while so you know talking about nathan no no it wasn't nathan no it was no it was No, this was someone else. Oh, okay. Yeah. And so I was like, well, I get that. And, you know, I don't want people to have to like silence or, you know, not listen because I cuss. So I try not to as much, even though I just did, like, you know, said like five or eight cuss words.

But, but also I'm just trying to be who I am, you know, and as much as possible. And so, and I think that's the problem is like people try to judge people all the time. And, and I think this is also the case with Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes. I think they're judging each other. I think they're trying to call each other out. And I think even when Tucker Carlson brought this up and asked Candace Owens about Nick Flintez, right, thinking also about how what Tucker's about to say is literally kind of like a low jab.

It's kind of a low punch to Nick Fuentes. Especially, I didn't know that Tucker's dad was in the CIA at all until this came up. Yeah. Like I had no idea. Well, we're going to play that too. We're going to play that just kind of make sure that that's understood because, you know, it's not necessarily surprising. The CIA, we know, has massive influence over mainstream media. They do.

I mean, there used to be mainstream media personalities that were paid by the government, mostly the CIA. This was part of Operation Mockenbird. But Operation Mockenberg, which was the government's influence of our media, has never stopped. You know, so when you think about the United States, always talking about Russia and China and North Korea influencing media, where it's only what the government wants the media to say is what they'll say, I promise you, it's not much different in the United States. They do a better job at trying to be like a, you know, a left and right media, even though there's really only like one or two right medias and then basically all the rest of them are left. But all of those things I believe are coordinated.

I think they're all still paid, whether it be Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, and is all to continually sow division. Because as we've said a billion times, if you don't have division, then you have a people to come together and when a people come together eventually the people a 300 plus a million people in America will start to realize and like holy shit look how corrupt our government is what do we like what can we do about this and the government can't have 300 million people when they have I think in a federal government workforce what three and a half four million people three and a half four million versus you know 300 they have to sow division on a regular and constant basis right otherwise you

cannot control the people. And the reality of what the government is, no matter how you look at it, it is to control the people. It used to be for the people. It's no longer about that. It is now just designed to control the people. And although I do 100% agree on law and order, they've taken it far, far, you know, much further, I guess, than what it was actually designed for.

So let's listen to some more of this interview. People to ever not have a good experience. I understand that. You know what I'm saying? And I'll say you want people. Well, this, I'll speak for myself. when I invite someone on, especially just to hear their views, I want them to be able to express what they actually think.

Right. Exactly. And you decide what you think and you decide how to express it. I mean, that's like a basic human right kind of. And so I'm not here to trip you up into saying something you don't mean. I want to hear what you do mean. Yeah, exactly. And he told his story. He did all of that.

And apparently then, and I don't know if it was driven by insecurity. He didn't know how his followers would take the interview. But he just did a complete 180, lied to his audience. pretended that he was surprised. It was behind a paywall. We spoke about him and how we were going to release it. He said, great. I mean, it's a totally, total 180 flip.

So I can now say that I didn't listen to other people say that Nick was a bad person. I didn't care about what happened when he was 18, 19, 20, 20206. I sat across from a person, had a conversation with him. He behaved one way in person and then put on a show for the internet. So I actually can say my experience with Nick Fuentes is that he's a terrible person and a terrible human being because why would you do that? There's no reason to do that. I agree. You could have come back onto the show.

You could have had beginning. of us discussing various topics. I think in many ways, whatever happened to him when he was 18, may have stunted his growth, meaning that he now is responding to the internet,

which is filled with people that don't even use their real names. Right? So really, truly, the eye... But Candace, you were literally at the Daily Wire as a Christian. You were doing everything the Daily Wire wanted you to do.

You were a part of the system since you were 18 as well. And literally, this is what Nick Fuentes says. and he said it in other interviews where, you know, what most people don't realize when we've talked about on other shows to where there are set people that are on this, I guess you can say, not agenda, but what am I trying to, pathway?

They, the government, they, the government and political factions will find certain people that go to certain colleges that are either in political studies or whatever the case is. They will find those people in political studies. They will then come and they will groom them, the same way that you would think of a pedophile grooming a child or whatever the case is, like Gislane Maxwell. They do that in politics.

They will find these people in colleges. They will then groom them to become massive influencers on either the left or either the right. We see this with Harry Sisson. We see it with the, I can't remember the other morons name on the left. But you also see this on the right. I mean, a great and blaring example of this, in my opinion, is Charlie Kirk. You think of probably even Stephen Crowder. There are so many of them.

And the ones that kind of tow the line and go a little bit further to the middle or whatever, those are people that they want to start blacklisting. And then there are also people that weren't necessarily set on that pathway that then try to get into the conservative influencer realm or the left wing realm. It's easier to get into the left wing influencer realm than it is the right. but it's harder to get into the right because they want full and total control of how and what you say. And, you know, for example, I'm not saying Charlie Kirk is not good. I'm not saying he's well taught or well versed or well spoken.

He is. But, you know, turning point USA, huge thing. He runs a massive turning point USA organization to where they want to influence the younger kids in high school and college to vote conservative or vote right. And, you know, Charlie Kirk has been afforded. whatever resources he has needed to build this. It's not like this guy is just a brilliant mind and did this all on his own. That's not the case. And there are also much smaller influencers that are also paid by certain factions.

And you can tell whether who they're paid by. Are they paid or influenced in some way by A-PAC? Well, you can tell those people. And a lot of these people have massive accounts on social media, whether it's CatTurd or the conservative. I can't even remember some of these names. But there are people. every single talking point that the right has, they will have no matter what.

No matter whether they completely said something about Epstein a year or two ago and said, oh my God, I can't believe the government's not releasing this. And then the Trump administration decides to call it a hoax and not release it. Those people also jump on the same bandwagon. I'm like, yeah, it's a hoax. It's bullshit. It's just, you know, you're not that dumb. That is, it's so obvious that you're paid and influenced, right?

And it's always been the case with the left. But it also happens on the right. the problem with Nick Fuentes and the reason why now I'm going to give him credit to some degree is that he has been debanked he has been de-platformed he has been censored and silenced the only reason that he even has a voice right now is because of X and Rumble so at the very least whether you agree or disagree with him I don't necessarily think that he is a Fed or a insert

I think maybe at some point maybe he was until he started asking or talking about the wrong things and they're like we can't have this guy because he's not he's not going to say what we want him to say, right? I don't know that for sure, but he did get kicked out of college. A lot of this started around the anti-Semitism stuff or the question of Israel. And those are valid questions, especially when you are, you know, you're an American and this is a foreign nation and you are a Christian and not a Jew. There are questions that you need to ask yourself.

It's the same thing as if Iran came in and had this massive influence on the United States politics and you're an American. But you had anything you question about Muslim or, you know, whatever, all of a sudden you got canceled and banned. Imagine that in America, right? Imagine that happening. It just, it wouldn't happen. The only way it happens now is because it's Israel. And if you question Israel, the result will be Nick Quintess, which, you know, I don't know.

He's doing okay with himself right now. Any of it all is you could just be like the IDF soldiers just pretending to be his supporters and just getting him to say whatever you want because he's going to do whatever you say. but it was strange. It was totally strange. It made no sense. Does he have a family or a normal life? I asked me about that. He said, yeah, it comes from a two-parent household.

That's what he told me. No, no, does he have his own family? Does he? No, no, he's not married. And I just offered to him, I was like, yeah, no, I think these are things that you learn when you're married. And he just was vicious about it. And, you know, women don't tell me what to do or whatever it was. And it was very performative.

Like I said the exact same thing to Andrew Tate months earlier had him. And I said, you should get married. Here's why. and of course, Andrew Tate did not react like that. He told me what his hangups were about marriage. It was just a part of two people communicating on a show. But for whatever reason, like, it was, he saw this as like an attack even though. Interesting.

Yeah, it was weird. It was totally weird. That's a tender spot. Well, okay, has it occurred to you that, and I just want to say, I haven't watched a lot of Nick Fuentes in my life at all. But what I've seen, the guy's very talented. Like, just as a, as a, well, let me to say this. As someone who's talked to cameras this whole life, it is very. very hard to sit and just like riff for 20 minutes.

And I just, I think it's an amazing skill and he has that skill. But I also have noticed that his targets are all people who are sincere, non-crazy, non-hateful opponents of neocon politics. Right. So you have to kind of wonder about that. So Nick Fuentes is like, oh, I don't like the neocons. But then his targets are J.D. Vance. Joe Kent.

He, like, tried to, he got involved in Joe Kent's campaign with a super. Oh, yes. You, me. And it's like, what is that? Dave Smith. Dave Smith. And I asked him about that because I, that's a question that I had. So I did the right thing by asking him to his face.

What's up with this? Like, why do you attack Dave Smith? You say that, like, your biggest critique is that America's being controlled by Israel. Then you have Dave Smith, who has been such a sound voice. And by the way, opposite experience with Dave Smith. My podcast is a fantastic human being. I judge people. Jay Smith is one of the nicest people ever.

Fantastic human. Yes. And so I judge people according to my experiences with them. And so Nick is being judged according to my experience with him. I got to stop for a second. For those that do not know what a neocon is, a neocon is essentially a conservative in most cases. But, you know, it is a faction to where you do not want. So a neocon is they want to spread Western influence abroad around the world.

And they will use military force or power to do so. whether that be regime change or whatever. And typically that leads to the military industrial complex. And so the neocon term is kind of bullshit to begin with because, you know, neocon really means let's make sure that we have the military industrial complex propped up for years and years to come by forcing ourselves and intervening in other countries where we really probably shouldn't be. And even if that means regime change, whether it be the CIA, DARPA, you know, whoever, that is a neocon.

And so, you know, who is like one of the most prime neocons in our politics? Guess, Sherry. He's from South Carolina. That's Lindsey Graham. Lindsey Graham. He's a neocon. But you might as well say when you talk about neocon, you might as well say a military industrial complex puppet.

That's what they are. And so they're saying Nick is a neocamp. No, no. He's anti-neocon. Okay. So he's anti, I guess, people that are, you know, being influenced by what I think is, the military industrial complex to go in, yeah, to go into other countries.

Because they make money and they're making money off of these companies to keep campaigning and being in the position they're in. Yeah. So it's like to say that we should utilize Ukraine as a proxy to go in and disrupt and destroy Russia. That would be a neocon because we want to push Western policy on Russia. And he's anti-need. Yeah, absolutely.

That would be the same thing with our embassy. influence in Israel or influence in Iran or anybody. So he's against war. Against war, but especially against just, you know, we're America first. Let's care about America. Let's not care about all the other countries around the world. Let's not send our soldiers to die in foreign wars that we have no business being in. But I think where his, his advertising goes wrong is the fact that, okay, I'm anti-war.

Let's not put our nose where we don't belong. let's stay in America first, but we got to realize that white males are the hierarchy, and then below them are the women, the blacks, the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's where he goes wrong. I think that's why he goes wrong, and he has so much hatred on other sides. Okay. So, and so, so to the opposite of that topic, right, if you do, okay, so for example, we've already talked about how they wanted to make straight.

white males or you know whatever yeah as yeah they they want to make white males in America like the lowest of the totem pole right but if you don't have anyone at all in any way shape or form standing up for that people now whether or not you out there think that those straight white males are the predominant leaders of the world which i don't i mean if you say that and i don't mean necessarily think it's american white males that are predominant leaders maybe they are but just say for example okay but you think about how america was founded. It was straight white males. Yeah, but doesn't matter. Yeah, that's America. That's kind of, well, yeah, America was founded. But then obviously before that, you had Indians.

And then before that, hell, I mean, everybody's like the Native Americans. Well, who was before the Native Americans? There were other people here before the Native Americans, probably giants. Who knows what the hell was here? Cavemen. They were technically the natives. I mean, there was someone before the Indians. The Indians were not the first people in this land. And I guess what I'm saying is that culture tried to cancel white males for a while. for sure. Absolutely. And it's still happening. Yeah. It's still happening. Yeah. So if you don't have anyone speaking out for that, just like you have BLM, just like you have all these NAACP, you have all of these organizations that are a white organization like standing up for white males. No, because they think

that it's not needed. And so eventually, you know, it'll keep getting picked at and picked at and picked at. And especially over the past four years, if you think about, it's not a racism topic, But if you think about over the past four years under Biden Harris administration, to where you had a wide open border, you had people from all over the world coming, completely, you know, they, and many of these people didn't give a shit about American culture, heritage, none of that stuff, our founding fathers, any of our constitution, they don't care about any of that shit. I'm not saying all of them, but a lot of them did not.

And so if you don't have, if that's consistently and constantly being picked away at, and you don't have anyone standing up for that, then eventually, it will be come to where you are the oppressed completely. And I don't think that America today is, in my opinion, I don't think America is oppressing blacks. I think blacks have an amazing opportunity in America to succeed as, as everyone does in America.

I think that's what's great about America. If you are in America, there's a reason why. Well, if not anything else, DEI helped black Americans, helped white females. It helped everyone.

Yes. Well, yeah, I guess it probably did. I, yes, it did. But it mostly helped. No, it mostly. You think about Karen in Los Angeles, the mayor, for example.

Karen Bass. Well, she's not white, though. Oh, yeah, she's not white. Sorry. But what I'm saying is you're talking about the female thing. But that's like a very small faction of DEI. The DEI thing predominantly came from race-related issues, not feminine or not not female versus male. TheEI was a thing to where they circumvented the system.

They didn't, they made this initiative. to where it didn't matter about skills or education. It mattered about what culture or race you came from more than it did what your talents and skills were. And that was just completely asinine. That is discrimination in its whole. You know, if you think about like the fact that, you know, they say, well, you know, should you discriminate when you literally have on an application, which are on so many

applications, what your race is, ethnicity, all this shit. And you're talking about. And you're talking about you're trying to fix discrimination. Are you non-gender? Yeah. But you're saying you're trying to fix discrimination, but now you have an application to where you have to state your race. Well, it's always been like that. No, it hasn't always been that.

I think it has. It hasn't. No, it has not been like that. And not until affirmative action and DEI and all this stuff. That's when they started putting race into applications. Well, I don't think they should have any of that on an application. Absolutely not. And that goes for college, too.

But do you understand why they have race and applications is because of tax credits based on the government? The reason why they want to know, what race you are in applications is because if they know that you're an applicant and you're black or Hispanic or whatever, then they might put those applications in a higher priority than the white applications because you have a huge tax breaker you did under Biden Harris if you hire someone from that particular class of people, whether it's black or Hispanics or whatever. And you don't have that tax break.

If you hire a white male especially, it's probably like you probably get penalized for hiring that. But that's literally the way it's been. regardless of whatever anyone thinks. You guys can look it up. It's a fact. It's true. And I'm not a white male and I'm agreeing.

But you're a white female. You're just not a white Karen. Oh, okay. I'm a white sherry. Yeah, white sherry. But like, what is this? I don't get it. I don't understand it.

I had, I probably should even say this, but I had, the only reason I know who he is is because someone sent me a video a few years ago of him attacking me. And I was like, hmm, so I'm looking at this. And I'm like, well, first of all, this kid's really talented. Like, legit. And I can assess. sad just having done the job for so long. So it's like, wow, lots of talent, native talent.

And he's attacking my dad as a CIA. His dad's no CIA or whatever. And I'm like, well, that's no, untrue. And my father dies. And I learn, actually, yeah, you know, was involved in that world. I was completely shocked by it. So no one has to believe me, but that's just a fact. Right.

This was in March of this year. And I'm like, well, why would, how the hell? with this child from Chicago. And my dad was 84 when he passed. Like who's this guy to know what my dad is? And like he's in an intelligence world. How would he know that? Wait, so that was his critique of you because I didn't see it.

Yeah. Someone just sent me this video and it was like, you can't believe anything Carlson says because his father was in the CIA and he's a CIA working on behalf of the CIA. Well, I mean, I think it's pretty obvious and I'm pretty. By the way, pause. The reason why Nick Puentes knew this is not because he's a CIA asset. He knew this because literally there is a clip on the internet with Tucker Carlson, I think when he was at CNN 20 years ago talking about his dad being a part of CIA.

Well, then how did he not know he's part of the CIA until he died? He did. He lied. He lied. And since this interview, they have brought up clips of Tucker Carlson 20 years ago, 25, however long it was, on CNN talking about his dad being involved in CIA. So, you know, Tucker's lying here. I mean, let's just state that. And I like Tucker.

Yeah, because I, it's just crazy that how would you not know your dad was in the CIA? No, there's your own dad. I get, I get it secret and stuff, but surely he would know. I mean, especially if you're someone like Tucker Carlson involved in mainstream media, you know, all this stuff. But he did know. And there's a clip out there that shows he knew 25 years ago or more when he was on CNN. So I just wanted to point that out. I mean, I actually feel emotional in my anger towards CIA.

and I think of that that comes out on the air quite regularly. Right. And so the idea that I'm working for the CIA is like deranged. Well, if it helps, he said I'm funded by Russia now. Since the interview, he then did a thing and said I was funded by Russia. But you would be a lot more likely to take Russian money than I would be to work for the CIA. You would never take Russian money and you're not Russian. But I mean, I really hate the CIA.

And I mean, I would, I mean, that's like very offensive to me. So why would you? It's like personal for you. Well, a little. Yeah. And anyway, like, who is this kid exactly? Mm-hmm. And maybe it's just an accident that the guy goes after exclusively goes

after people who are in the same, roughly the same. And then he gets up there and he's like, you know, making Holocaust jokes. And it's like, is it possible that this is like David Duke? David Duke, every time I had a new show, David Duke would endorse my show. I don't know. Who the hell is David Duke? Well, David Duke is obviously part of a campaign to discredit people on the right, obviously. And I think it's very obvious that Nick Fuentes is exactly the same.

Doesn't mean everything he says is false. It doesn't mean he's not talented. He's enormously talented. It doesn't mean he's a bad person. I'm not attacking him personally. But he is clearly part of a campaign to discredit non-crazy right voices. You know. That's obvious to me.

I've been around a long time. I know when I see it. Yeah. And I will say I don't understand it. We were very kind to him. Like I truly like we almost said like we felt maybe he was a bit lonely. we should invite him back for dinner. I mean, that's how good of an experience I had.

Yeah, clearly it's a sad. But, Chad, that's what I was saying about you when, or saying about him in the process, when Trump was actually going to be president and they were campaigning, he was campaigning against Trump. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And how he could possibly be an asset. That's, I'm just saying I get where Tucker's coming from. Yeah, for sure.

I agree. I agree 100%. I mean, but then you look at it. It's like is Nick Fuentes being funded? Well, I mean, if he was debanked by everybody, who, where the hell is the money going to? Babe, they can give him cash easily. I know, I know, I know. I just don't necessarily know or think that's the case.

And I'm not saying I'm against Tucker. What I do know. But it's weird that you are so against him. And now you're, you're kind of for him. I'm no. I'm not saying I'm for him. I'm just saying that I'm evaluating the conversations between both these. And we have not heard Nick yet.

We're about to. And I think Nick makes a great point. Now, is that to his talent or is that to the truth? And what you're about to hear from Nick in just a second, you guys can decide. But I do know in this conversation, at least, that Tucker Carlson lied about his dad. He knew about his dad being CIA for 25 plus years. So he lied about that. And he said, I don't care if you believe me or not.

I know that for sure. And then someone pulled up a clip of Tucker Carlson saying that he knew his dad was CIA 25 years ago. But Tucker did make a good point. That is this guy being funded. Yeah. You know, to take down people on the right, on the same side he's supposedly on. Yeah. Because he was anti-Maga.

He was anti-Trump when Trump was coming into office. Well, and that's what I thought. I mean, that's why I had these debates, or not debates, but like, that's why, you know, I was kind of pretty against Nick Fuentes leading up to the election because I felt like if someone is an asset to try to bring his follower base against Trump, it is Nick Fuentes. That's what I thought. Yes. So, and I'm not saying.

that's not the case still at all. I don't know for sure. Nick Fuentes might have just, you know, and also keeping in mind leading up to the election, Nick Fuentes went to Turning Point USA event. And I think this is where Nick Fuentes looking back of why he decided to vote or to try to bring his people against the conservatives, because he had mentioned some things about APEC in Israel, right? This was prior to him showing up at Turning Point USA a couple of months before the election.

He shows up to Turning Point USA after making these comments about Israel. He is then kicked out of Turning Point USA, turned away. And he is forcefully removed from Turning Point USA, where Charlie Kirk and all these conservatives are. And this was two months after he had made statements about Israel. So that was the reason why he was kicked out. They did not want him there to question or say anything about Israel. And that is why he was kicked out of turning point. So you're saying all of them are paid assets.

I think a lot of them are, yeah, for sure. I mean, I think if you follow the money. But you don't know that he's not a paid asset on the other side. I don't know. I mean, but what other side is it? On the left side. No, I doubt that. Because the left is just as funded by APEC as anybody.

There's a reason why the left don't talk shit about Israel either. So it's not the left. Yeah, but they go against Israel. The left is not funded. No, but you think about Gaza and you think about all the protests, all the college stuff that's going on or was going on a year ago last summer. Let me tell you what I. think that is? Do I think that's funded protest? Absolutely. Oh yeah. It's definitely. But you only tell you why. It is not to hurt Israel is to help Israel. It is to gain and garner support on the Israel lobby.

Well, I don't think that's helping them. Well, I think, no, I think they thought it would. It's helping the other side. No, but I think they thought. Okay. So, for example, if you are funding protests, BLM protest or whatever, anti-police, what typically happens with that? You garner more support for police, right? If you, if you, if you, If you see these protests are like, oh my God, look at these people going against cops and this heinous and all this shit. It's kind of like reverse psychology. It absolutely is.

So then they're going to fund people to go against Israel and then do these things. And I'm not saying this is true. I'm just saying it's kind of a brilliant thing. And it's not even a brilliant thing. They've done this shit forever. Yeah. It's like it's a false flag is what it is. I mean.

Yeah. And we just don't know who is where. No. And you can't really believe anyone. But they're also doing two different things. Number one, a lot of these protests, the anti-Islellan, Israel protest was helping Israel in some ways by, you know, the media picked it up and said, look at these people anti-Israel after October 7th.

Can you believe this? And this was leading up to Israel's response, right? So they wanted everybody to get on board to Israel by looking at these liberals, these crazy left lunatic liberals and Antifa, all these people. But a lot of these liberals, a lot of these people weren't even from America. No, some of them weren't, but it doesn't matter. They were funded and was coordinated. And so they garnered a lot of support for Israel leading up to Israel's response.

And this is just what happens. This is how they do shit like this. And even when we talked to Jonathan Cho, which, you know, he went to a lot of these protests. They did. They kind of killed two birds and one stolen because they were also at the same time signing up people for the socialist movement. And so they want to bring in socialism to the United States. But they also want to, they're being funded regardless.

And it does technically help. It did at least help Israel until everyone. just didn't give a shit about this protest anymore. And they saw past that. And they saw like, okay, well, now, you know, Israel has killed 100,000 plus people in Gaza. Now they're saying they're going to take over Gaza and take over the land, land grab. You know, those things quickly disappear. All those protests and shit in people's minds, they quickly disappear now. And there's going to be people listening right now. They're saying, oh my God, I can't believe you're going against Israel. Fine. But just do some research. You know, think about it. If we're a conspiracy podcast and I don't even

think this is a big conspiracy theory. I think it's a conspiracy. I don't think it's a theory. And, you know, there's tons of evidence, however you want to look at this, that APAC extensively funds our politics. Oh, yeah. Well, you know that. And it's on both sides.

I don't think they're funding the people. I guess what you're saying is they're funding the people to wear the black and white scarves and take over college campuses. It's what you're kind of saying is Israel is doing. that. And it's not like the George Soros is. Well, okay.

Well, let's look up real quick. Do you know who, do you know what a lot of these world leaders, uh, religions or backing is? Jewish. Jewish.

Yeah, I know that. George Soros. Uh, Rothschilds, Rockefellers. Yeah. And they go against.

But if you think about George Soros, he's not a real Jewish person. He goes against Jewish people. And he has his entire career. Yes, he has. Go look up his shit. Okay. Well,

anyways, what I'm saying is, It's a lot of the same people that fund a lot of these protests and all of this stuff. I mean, these people have ulterior motives and they're smart about it. They're not morons. There's a reason why they meet at Builderboard groups. There's a reason why they meet at World Economic Forum. They want to influence politics or policy based on, you know, false flags in some cases, whether that's shootings, whether that's whatever, whether it's protest.

All of these things are utilized heavily based on their agendas. And I'm not – and some of these things are not funded necessarily, like school – like – like some shooting. deans or whatever may not be funded. There's always going to be some political faction that utilizes those horrific events. But there are definitely some things that are funded. I get what you're saying is that they're reversing what they really want to happen. No, but they know they knew like if we oppress college kids and we get these massive protests on campus and then we push it all over social media, all over mainstream media,

then this is going to garner a lot of support for Israel leading up to the response. Well, it didn't work. because a lot of people are against Israel now. Yeah, it did for a while until the response and until there was more and more people out there kind of talking about it. But anyways, not to get too much in Israel, we're going to play a couple more minutes

and then we're going to get to Nick Fuentes' response. So it's either A, it's being driven from like a little boy insecurity and he just was so worried that he like just went on the attack because he doesn't know how to have normal relations after being banned everywhere. I think there's the kind of the angry gay kid thing going on. Or it's the. what you're saying, where he does this, he's lying to everybody and pretending that things are one way when it's not. I can say he lied. Why is he attacking Joe Kent, who, I mean, Joe Kent worked

as a CIA contractor, paramilitary contractor. He's in the U.S. military for years fighting our Nio Khan wars. And his wife was killed in Syria in one of those wars. Joe Ken is the single most sincere critic. And I would say the one with the most credibility in the United States to say this foreign policy is bad. It killed my wife. I was a part of it. Joe Ken is actually someone the CIA doesn't like at all because he understands how it operates. And for Nick Fuentes,

who's some child from Chicago who, I mean, to go after him specifically, one congressional seat in Washington State. It's random. It's not random, though. It's the opposite of random. Joe Kent was number one on the list of people they wanted to knock off. People who believe

in our neocon foreign policy. They wanted Joe Ken out because he could stand up and say, I actually know. I've got their seats. My wife was killed in Syria. You had to take that guy out. And Nick Fuentes,

this child, this weird little gay kid in his basement in Chicago, is participating in a super pack to bump off Joe Kent. Like, I've been around this my whole life. I know what that is. All right. So there you go.

Gay little kid in his basement. So obviously Nick Plentz had to come out and say something and he did. And I think that he made his point very clear. And listen, regardless of what you think, I mean, maybe you're on Tucker's side on this and maybe you're on Nick Puentes aside, but let's listen to what Nick Puentes said about what Tucker and Candace said. You know, I can imagine kind of being Nick Fuentes and you just got off the Candice Owens

interview. You were, I guess, maybe pissed. But, you know, Candace Owens kind of waters down, I guess, to some degree. Not waters it down, but she said pretty much she was an asshole. I don't think he was coming off as an asshole, but he was like, listen, we are both in the same thing. You got it the easy way. I got it the hard way. Yeah.

So don't come to me about a family. Yeah. Don't give me advice. Right. Like don't lecture to me about what I should be doing. Right. And, you know, and so I think that's what kind of set him off a little bit. But it wasn't like setting him off to where he was unhinged or triggered.

I think this is the way he is. Absolutely. And he is like forefront and he's going to say what he thinks. Yeah, absolutely. So here is Nick Pentes in his response. I'm being accused of being the CIA by Peter Teal's best boys, by Tucker Carlson with his daddy. Tucker Carlson's, and you know what, here's the other thing.

Tucker Carlson said I'm a weird gay kid in the basement. Yeah, and I'm from Chicago. You're right. Well, okay, you're not right about all of that. But I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth. Tucker Carlson says, I have so many trust funds, I never have to work. Tucker went to a $45,000 per year private high school. Then a $45,000 per year selective Ivy League school in New England.

Tucker Carlson's daddy was a Reagan appointee. And then after years of bragging about being an elite, bragging about being so out of touch and so rich, Now he's going to be the spokesperson for all the white people. Now he's going to roll up his sleeves. I just like to hunt fish in my log cabin. I care about Klarna and credit card debt. But then when it comes to me, I'm one of the real disaffected white people. You want to talk about me and them?

I am them. He says Nick Fuentes is leading all of the disaffected young white men. I am a disaffected white young white man. I was a precocious, intelligent, young white college. student who went to Boston University, who was pro-Trump and red-pilled by Trump and animated by Trump's message of America first. And I asked questions about Israel, and I was punished for it. I did it years before Tucker Carlson started talking about Israel last year. And I sacrificed. And I was targeted by the ADL, by the SPLC, by the federal government,

by the conservative movement that both Candace and Tucker were a part of. Candice and Tucker had nothing to say about Israel until it became unavoidable last year, not popular, but unavoidable. And now they want to gate keep me out and do this personality attack and say, I'm a bitter loser in my basement from Chicago. I'm a kid from Chicago. And they slipped up there because they forgot for one second that they're pretending to be the spokesperson for exactly that kind of person.

Tucker's mask slipped. And he forgot for a minute that for eight years, he's been pretending to care about the plight of weird kids in their parents' basement who are broke and didn't go to an Ivy League school living in cities that don't matter like Chicago, not like Washington, D.C. or L.A. or New York. And that's why he had such disdain and contempt for me in that moment. Between the personality attacks. He's lonely. He's weird. He lives in a basement. I'm sorry. Did you guys forget that that's your talk? target audience that you're trying to pander to? Did you forget that for two seconds? And I'm the inauthentic person. I am that person. I am a spokesman for the disaffected

white man because I am one. And you two are not. Candice Owens got married to British royalty worth $200 million after meeting him for two weeks on Zoom. What the fuck is even that about? and Tucker Carlson's dad ran the CIA's propaganda empire fighting the Soviet Union. He went and fought with the Contras when he was in college. When I was in college, I was doing a webcam show in my friend's dorm room criticizing Israel. So who's the CIA cutout? Who's the inauthentic one? Who's the crazy hateful one?

I would never describe a well-meaning young white person who's trying to get ahead as a weird kid in his basement from Chicago. And what is that supposed to mean? What is wrong with being from Chicago? What is wrong with being weird? What is wrong with living in your basement? That's a lot of people because of the problems you claim to care about. Tucker's at Turning Point USA extolling the predatory nature of usury and out it's preventing

young white men from getting homes. And then the week after says you're in your mom's basement. So which is it? So which is it? Do you care about Klarna and people going into debt to order pizzas and homeownership being impossible? Or do you think that's a contemptible, low status thing to be ridiculed and mocked? Who's pandering here exactly? Because that wasn't you.

You were born to the Swanson family fortune and your daddy who ran the CIA. You know, my dad didn't even graduate college. My dad worked for the tollway. His dad died of a drug overdose in the 70s. My mother's father was a garbage man in Chicago, and he committed suicide. He was a veteran of World War II. Who's the CIA cutout? Who's the poser?

Who is America? I am America. Chicago is America. That's an American story. I didn't go to Yale Law School and suck Peter. Teal's dick and then get a sinecure at a venture capital firm advising Rebecca Mercer and writing Hillbilly Elegie and talking about it at the Aspen Institute. That's your biographical credibility? How many of these disaffected white people that love Trump because he's racist went to Yale

law school and got plucked out by Peter Thiel, whoever he even is. Peter Thiel with his fixation with the Antichrist, this homosexual who's involved with the. the CIA, who wants to live forever and govern the world with AI. Yeah, that's really relatable. That's really relatable. Do another show with him and Curtis Yarvin. Do another show. Do the 47th show with J.D. Vance. It's, it is insulting. And it is insulting to everybody's intelligence for Tucker to sit there and say, he doesn't know his dad is in the CIA. For him to say that I'm in the CIA? what a joke, what a sick joke. Especially after everything that's happened to me.

And unlike what Candace Owen says, she says, what happened to him when he was 18, what happened to me is ongoing. Okay? Unlike Candice Owens and Tucker, I never got a contract with Ben Shapiro and Rupert Murdoch. I was on Maker's support. I was on Hatreon.

I was on D Live. I had to fight for everything I have. I didn't get a million dollar contract from Turning Point. I didn't get $20 million from Fox News. My daddy didn't get me a job in Arkansas. So there you go. That is Nick Puentes' response to Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens. I mean, you know, as Tucker says, a guy's very talented.

He can. Yeah, he is because he makes himself be one of us. Yeah, one of them. Where Candice and Tucker are above. us, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, for sure. And he's just one of us speaking. Yeah. You know, I don't agree with everything is saying. But, you know, he's a dude from Chicago, you know, trying to make ends meet just like everyone else in the world. Yeah. And, you know, he is a martyr in some ways, right? He has been made a martyr. He has been made someone that he

goes out, speaks things that most everyone is afraid to speak. And he has been penalized heavily for it. And instead of kind of turning around and saying, hey, I've, better start doing the system way of doing this. He has it. He has continued. And as he said, as Candace Sleyn says, at 18, something happened to him. And he's like, this is ongoing. And he's like, by the way, your target audience is literally me.

It is the people that listen to me. Yes. And he is 100% correct. Now, whether you agree or disagree with Nick Fuentes, I disagree with a lot of stuff, not a lot of stuff, but what I will say is like, I disagree with some of the ways that Nick Fentz presents arguments. But I also think he does that for the shock value. He does, yeah.

Yeah, he wants to build the audience. And how do you build an audience? You got to get a shock. You got to get something that people want to listen to you. Yeah. And if it means doing something that's, you know, against other people's values or whatever to make them listen, whatever it is, he's going to do it. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, I think, you know, in today's world, as I've already said before, you have to have people like Nick Fentez. You have to. If you don't have those people, if those people are not allowed to speak, then we are headed down a road of censorship and totalitarian government. And it's not even just government, but we're talking about world government. And when I say this, you know, I find it interesting. Think about one thing that Nick Fuentes said in this. If there's one thing that we should take away from this and you've got to take away something from this. He said Tucker did not give a shit or say anything ever about Israel until about a year, a year and a half or two years ago. And he's been talking about it since he was 18.

Yes. How long ago did Tucker Carlson get canceled off his network? Yeah. He couldn't talk about it on box. Absolutely not. When he tried to do it and he did. But he started to and that's, I have to bring it up again. My brother started calling me.

He's like, oh, this dude is anti-Semitic. Yeah. But guess what? He got canceled. He got ended. But Tucker Carlson had a huge following. I mean, Carlson was one of the biggest shows ever.

And then once he kind of stuck his neck out there and started talking about the Israel lobby, started talking about Apex, started talking about the influence of Israel in the United States politics. It wasn't long after that that Tucker got canceled. But I think we- And so that makes a great point to this is that as Fuentes said, I've been talking about this forever. You just started a year and a half ago and look where you're at now.

You're not on Fox News. You're in your log cabin and you're rolling. back your sleeves for the white people. But what makes a person anti-Semitic? You're talking about a government, a foreign government. Why is that anti-anything? When you're talking about the people's religion and you're talking about their religion is bad, that's when you get to anti-Semitic, in my opinion.

Well, is there a terminology for anti-Christian? No, I don't think so. Well, for example, like, you know, we've talked about this before, like in northern Africa, the villages in Northern Africa, not just that. They're being slaughtered. They're being slaughtered by either Muslims. Well, hell, for example, Israel just bombed a church in Syria, I think it was, or wherever it was, where they killed a shit ton of Christians, a lot of Christians.

Like, is there a word for people that kill Christians, or is it just people that are against maybe Jewish beliefs? I don't know. And I, are there any anti-Christian laws? No. Are there any, is there like a, is there a keyword that social or that mainstream media is, says about if you speak any way against people that believe in Jesus. Is there a word for that?

Because I don't think so. I mean, there's a word for anti-Semitic. Yeah. And I know those people are being killed as well. Oh, for sure. Absolutely. But is there a word for that? Like, is there a talking point?

Yeah. Do you get canceled if you talk about Christians? Do like if we start bringing up like, hey, Christians rule the world or Christians do this. Do you get canceled for that? No, you don't. You don't me tell you why? Because Christians don't rule the world.

Yeah. if they did rule the world you would be canceled for that right i'm not saying that those people rule the world that's because they give everything to those people but christians do yeah they give everything and jerry listen we we've we've had so many conversations about this and you know like from a religious perspective and we're not going to do this on youtube because we we got two channels going up on youtube we're never going to talk about this on youtube we should probably do this on this platform at some point, but I am a Christian. I believe in Jesus. I think you believe in Jesus as well. You're, you're kind of on your journey, but, but the reality is if you are a Christian, for example,

even with Candace Owens on Daily Wire, where she started saying Christ is King, especially after October 7th, that's when she got canceled. She got, she pissed Ben Shapiro off. She pissed Israel off. I would love to see, like, I would love to just pull back the books of Ben Shapiro as far as like his, you know, his tax returns and all this stuff and see where his money coming from. I would love to see that. And do you think that's all coming from his podcast? Hell, no, it isn't. He's funded. Ben Shapiro was absolutely funded, especially if you become the main talking point of the Jewish faith and religion and especially Israel. And then when October 7th happens, you are the main talking point. And then we can go to the Copeland guy. It's the same thing.

No. Yeah. Kenneth Copeland is a psycho. Like, are you like, do not, are you really bringing up You're just saying he's a Christian and he takes in a lot of money. No, he's a Satanist, I think. But he takes a lot of money in from Christians. So the same concept on the other side. And he's a psycho. It's just like Ben Shapiro when during COVID, he was pushing the vaccine on everybody. He's like, oh yeah, I had the vaccine and I think it's a good thing.

I think I didn't see that. No, I did not see that. I'm sorry. Anybody will see that. They can just go look at it. But regardless, there's no question I think that the Daily Wire gets funded by someone. I think a lot of people get funded and we just don't know. We don't. No, we don't get funded. By you guys. By the way, you guys are what funds us at all. Like if we didn't have the commercials,

we don't have funding. Like, we're not funded by Trump or Biden or Israel or anybody. Yeah. We're literally not funded by any faction of people at all. So if you guys want to fund us, just let us know. No, but we're still. But the reality is the only way we would ever take funding is if we truly believed in whatever it was. Well, I'm talking about like the black rifle coffee or something. No. I wouldn't. I would not take a sponsorship from them either.

You wouldn't? No. There were some of those people that went against the Second Amendment. Like literally the people that were over black rifle coffee company and some of some of their comments and shit about like during and leading up to the election, it was like you could almost tell they were put in place for a reason to do this black rival. Yeah. And so a lot of their comments and everybody was starting to cancel them for a while because they're like, oh, they're not real conservatives.

Oh. There's a lot of weird shit about this. Yeah. But yeah. So guys, let us know what you think about this, I guess back and forth between Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes and even Kenna Sowns. And whether or not you agree with Nick Fuentes or you agree with Tucker Carlson or Kenneth Owens, we want your opinion on what you believe about who is actually in the right. Now, I will say we're going to play this podcast episode out. This is one of the best Nick Fentz edits that I've heard.

And this is kind of putting everything together. And it's actually an animated cartoon. I'm going to right now, Honor X, repost this. So you guys, if you want to look at it, go to our X, Investigator's podcast. You'll see what I just posted. So what you're about to hear, you can see on our X if you just go there. Also, I do want to let everybody know. We do have Instagram.

We have Facebook. We also have the U.S. YouTube channel, see free live. If we look up, see free live, that is our YouTube. We're going to start doing some YouTube or my YouTube, but Sherry's going to have her on YouTube soon. But over there, we're going to do game and commentary. We're going to do all that stuff.

And we tried a live stream last night, long story, not going to get in that. But we're going to fix it. We're going to get it right. We're going to make sure that we do this the correct way. But I think you're going to hear some of what you've already heard on this podcast in this clip. It's only two minutes, two minutes, but it's kind of cool how. they edited this.

I think it's pretty awesome. But guys, that's going to do it for us. Until next time, here is the edit of Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson and Candice Owens. Fiery, fiery, debate. I had a conversation with him. What did you think of that? What do you think of him?

My experience with Nick Fuentes is that he's a terrible person and a terrible human being. But he is clearly part of a campaign to discredit non-crazy right voices. I can confirm he's dishonest. This child, this weird little gay kid in his basement. In Chicago, young white men who've been totally cut out of our economy, I mean, they really are the victims, and they're desperate, and no one speaks for them. So they go to Fuentes because he's, like, incredibly articulate, and they think he's our leader.

But in one of the saddest ironies of all, like, he's acting against your interests, actually. But then when it comes to me, I'm one of the real disaffected white people. You want to talk about me and them? I am them. He says Nick Fuentes is leading all of the disaffected young white men. I am a disaffected white, young white man. I was a precocious, intelligent, young white college student who went to Boston University, who was pro-Trump and red-pilled by Trump and animated by Trump's message of America first.

And I asked questions about Israel, and I was punished for it. I did it years before Tucker Carlson started talking about Israel last year. And I sacrificed. And I was targeted by the ADL, by the SPLC, by the federal government, by the conservative movement that both Candace and Tucker were a part of. He's lonely. He's weird. He lives in a basement. That's a lot of people because of the problems you claim to care about. Do you care about Klarna and people going into debt to order pizzas and homeownership being impossible?

Or do you think that's a contemptible, low-status thing to be ridiculed and mocked? What is wrong with being from Chicago? What is wrong with being weird? What is wrong with living in your basement? The disaffected white man? Because I am one. And you two are...