Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - UFO Files About to Drop? Trump Says Disclosure Is Very Close

Episode Date: April 30, 2026

Tonight we break down the latest statements from Donald Trump claiming that UFO files could be released very soon, and what that could actually mean. After decades of secrecy, shifting narratives, and slow leaks, the conversation around disclosure is heating up again in a way that feels different this time. We also go back to 1987 and revisit what John Lear told George Knapp about aliens, secret programs, and what he believed the government was hiding long before UFO disclosure became mainstream. When you line up those early claims with what’s being hinted at today, the timing raises some serious questions. We dig into whether this is real transparency or another controlled rollout, what might actually be in these files, and why this conversation keeps resurfacing at key moments. If these documents are released, it could change everything, or it could just be another piece of a much bigger puzzle.

Hello, I can see in your eyes that you'll be live by the hour. Hello, and welcome to investigate our investigator podcast. I'm your host, alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. Tonight, something's building again and it's hard to get us. building again and it's hard to ignore the timing president. Donald Trump said today that the UFO files are going to be released very soon. And right as that's happening, the story of Bob Lazar is back in the spotlight with S4, the Bob Lazar story. And that's not something you see every day, especially with how long his claims have been pushed to the side. So tonight we're going to talk about what everything means,

what makes sense, is the real disclosure finally getting close or is just another wave of attention meant to shape how people react before anything real comes out? Because when all of this starts lining up, same time, it at least makes you stop and ask why. Guys, welcome to the show. It is April the 29th, 2026. The name of this song is Issues by I'm In. And yes, we are going to talk about aliens and UFOs on the show tonight. This is one of our favorite topics, to be honest.

And it's kind of interesting when we were watching the Bob Lazar S4 movie, the new movie that you can actually find on Amazon right now. We posted it on our X account a couple of days ago and we're like, hey, what are you guys thoughts on the S4 movie? Have you seen it? And it got a lot of attention. A lot of people started comment and saying, yes, we love it. It was very well done. Amazing movie. And it was interesting because some people were like, hey, I'm actually really glad you guys are just talking about something other than politics.

So thank you. And this is why we love you to begin with all the talk about aliens, UFOs, interdimensional, ancient aliens, ancient civilizations. We talked about that for a long time. And obviously, we've always also talked about censorship and politics and all of those things. things, corruption, but it always kind of like a breath of fresh air to be able to talk about the things that really do, I think, matter the most to us, especially in the age of disclosure. We're calling it the age of disclosure. It is 2026.

Is this going to be the year that human beings find out that we are officially not alone? Is it going to be the year that the United States government alongside other governments are potentially going to push for disclosure and actually make it happen? Now, what I will say is, obviously, as I mentioned in the opening monologue or the opening intro, I wouldn't necessarily call that a monologue. It's like four sentences. But either way, Donald Trump did come out today. And I just want to briefly play before we even get into this, what Donald Trump actually said today from the Oval Office. This was hosting the astronauts that just got back, obviously, from around the moon or wherever, whatever studio they did all that stuff in.

I'm just kidding. Or not. We don't really know. Who knows? Who knows anymore? But this is what Trump said today when a reporter asked him the question about UFOs. Listen. The topic of space, do you have an update on the UFO files and what might be when we're going to be seeing this?

Well, I think we're going to be releasing as much as we can in the near future for some reason. And I guess it's just a reason it's been in the minds of people for a long time. That is such, they want to find out about the UFOs. and anything having to do with UFO or related material, and we're going to be releasing a lot of things that we have. And I think some of it's going to be very interesting to people. I've interviewed people, my first term primarily, but I interviewed some pilots, very solid people,

and they said they saw things that you wouldn't believe. So you're going to be reading about it. Yes. All right. So we do know, obviously, alien.gov and aliens. gov has been bought up by the United States government. Those domains are officially bought, right? So I'm assuming this is where they're going to release the files.

Now, here's the question, Sherry. Is Pam Bondi going to make a spectacular return in front of the White House holding up a binder that says UFO files with all the influencers that is going to be the same bunch of BS that we've seen for years. Well, I doubt Pam Bonding will be back. And I doubt we will see all the disclosure because he said we will release some of them, not all of them. As much as we can, right? Yes.

So that's meaning the same old BS that we always hear just like the JFK files, even the Epstein files, like nothing has been fully disclosed or released ever. Yeah, that's true. And I don't think we're going to ever see anything like that. Okay. Well, let me argue that point a little bit because I was thinking about this today. And, you know, a lot of people obviously are saying even when I posted this. video on our X and Instagram and our social media. A lot of people are like, look, do you really think we're going to get the Epstein files?

I mean, not the Epstein files. Do you really think we're going to get the UFO files when we thought we were going to get the actual Epstein files? And it seems like they're hiding that. They're calling it a hoax. They're saying everything they can to avoid that release. But here's the difference, right? Without getting too political, we don't necessarily think, at least from what we understand

or know right now, if Donald Trump is controlled by that group of people as well. Now, we think that most presidents actually have been controlled by that group of people. But at the very least, if you're one of those people that were waiting on the Epstein files, you're like, hey, Donald Trump's going to get an office. We're finally going to get to see what was actually going on in this elite sex trafficking ring. And then you were very disappointed. Well, obviously, you're going to think that these UFO files are going to be BS as well. Same thing goes with like to never, you know, no new wars, no new all this stuff.

A lot of people just don't believe it. The only thing I guess that we can hope for in this particular case, is that maybe he is not so entangled with that group of people that he will maybe push a little harder to get this released. I don't know. So you're saying he's not on the aliens list. Maybe not. He may not be on the alien list.

And so he'll want to release it because he's not on that list. Or his friends are not on alien list. It's one of the two, right? But that's what's interesting. Hopefully that Trump is not going to be, I guess you can say, scared to release the files or at least maybe he'll be able to use the full power of the government to release as much as we actually possibly can. Now, is that going to actually come out and say that, hey, there are UFOs.

There are aliens, actually, that we have possession of. You know, you heard what Matt Gates said just two or three weeks ago where he was told as someone came into his office, it was a military, higher up military personnel that told him that, you know, there is alien, human, hybrid breeding programs. And the interesting thing about that when you hear that is, If you watched a Bob Lazar S4 movie, you know, Bob Lazar even knew and had told that story even back in 1989. And this was what he had learned while he was not only at Los Alamos, but obviously when he

went to Area S4, which is Area 51 or a section of Area 51. And he knew back then in 1989 when he went on the air with George Knapp. And one of the things that he said was I had also heard about an alien breeding program. and I know that sounds bat shit crazy, he said. And so that's why I'm not necessarily saying it's true or not. But Bob Lazard did say in the movie, we're not going to give away the movie. Most of you probably already know the story. But one of the things he said was is that when he was in Area S4 and he was around the craft

and he was working on the propulsion and all of this stuff, there would be things that he would be privy to that just almost seem like it was either there to see if he went and told someone. because the only way that that would ever get out would be from whoever they knew saw that piece of information, which was a way, I guess, that certain highly, highly classified programs work. They will actually give you information. They will see if you're going to go leak that information. And if you do, then they know where it comes from. And so he thought when he saw this papers or these papers or these actually classified files,

he thought that it was just maybe a way that they were going to track if someone actually went out and said something because he just thought. it was just so unbelievable that it was just there's just no way this could be possible. But now you're hearing like Matt Gates and others, including Tim Burchett and other members of Congress say, you know, no, that's actually true. What Matt Gates is saying, we have heard from multiple military personnel. And we're talking about congressional members on these committees that are over this, the oversight committees, that they have heard this in skiffs and so on and even outside of

skiffs from whistleblower. So, yeah, I've also heard from CIA agents that they will put in false information into these documents to know who is spilling the beans or not. But as far as the alien breeding program, he never said that it was a hybrid. He just said alien breeding program. So what I got out of it is maybe they were breeding just. You're talking about Bob Lazar. Yeah.

Yeah. That they were breeding full bred aliens and not like hybrids of half human, half alien. Yeah. But yeah. But when he was going through those documents, there was a lot of well-known documents that he brought up that we all know of. today like Project, I think Paperclip, the looking project looking glass. There was a lot of ones that we've already heard of. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah. He knew that. He had talked about it in some of his earlier interviews. And guys, I'm going to say this also. We last night watched another movie with Ryan Goslin called Project Hell Mary. And if you guys have not seen that movie, you must go watch it. Now, it does kind of get a little bit ridiculous with the, I'm not even going to say it, but it's a little humorous. It is.

It's humorous. It was a great movie. It's kind of an emotional movie and it really just gets you thinking about a lot of things. And so I do encourage you guys to go watch Project Hell Mary if you've not seen it. If you're an alien lover, UFO fanatic, whatever, that is definitely a movie that you need to go watch. I'll be honest the past couple of days. Not really felt good. It had some stomach issues.

And we've not done a podcast in a couple of days. But I was like, man, let's watch some stuff that we really, especially with the episode we're doing tonight, let's watch us for. We watched Project Hell Mary, even though I had no. No idea had anything to do with aliens. Yeah, but it was a great, great movie. I really enjoyed it. Because like you said, it was very sentimental and it was humorous at the same time. It kind of tugged at all of your emotions.

Yeah, for sure. So tonight we're going to talk about aliens and UFOs. We're going to play some of what Bob Lazarar recently has said in some interviews. A couple of clips. We're going to break some of those things down. We're also going to play John Lear, a piece of John Lear that George Nassar, that George nap when he interviewed him back in, I think the late 80s, early 90s. John Lear is a guy that is, he basically comes from a very prominent family.

I do believe that his family is actually a part of the Lear Corporation or the company that actually manufactures or makes Lear jets. He's always kind of been in the aviation space. And it's funny because he actually became friends with Bob Lazaro. It was John Lear is who actually set up the first initial meeting between. George Knapp, which was the reporter in Las Vegas that broke the story of the Bob Lazzar story. He's the one that actually set all this up.

It's interesting when you listen to what Bob Lizarre says about John Lear. Obviously, John Lear is a brilliant guy. His entire family is very well to do and very brilliant as well. But a lot of people back in a day took what John Lear said as just completely crazy. Like the stuff John Lear is saying is psychotic. And a lot of people believe that, yes, John Lear is smart. but the outside world when people would hear these interviews, they would be like, this dude is psycho.

He's just, he's a lunatic. He's one of those crazy people that is saying the craziest shit. And we've played part of this interview on a previous podcast before. But I think it's important to replay it now because especially with everything going on in 26, all of the alien breeding program talk and the disclosure potential that we're, you know, coming up against right now. I think it's important to hear back from a late 1980. 9091 interview where he talks about his thoughts, beliefs, and some of the things he knows about,

especially being in that world, aviation world, and in a very high level of that world as well. Yeah, it makes me feel even crazy to say, oh, yeah, they were talking about breeding aliens or hybrids or whatever. And it's kind of the same thing, you know, with what Epstein files we got out. You know, a lot of people are like, oh, my God, these people were psychotic, crazy. Is this really true? Did they eat children? Is this possible? And now that we're seeing in 2026, I think it is possible.

And from what people thought in the 80s that was crazy then could be possible. Yeah. Well, I mean, you think about, you know, I mean, let's just think about a couple things. You know, there's so much stuff that we thought were just maybe, you know, crazy conspiracies. One of the things we never really talked a lot about in our show was Pizza Gate. And the main reason for that is because, you know, whether it was sponsors as far as like you know when you're doing podcast number one your platforms and all this stuff you got to be careful you got to be careful kind of what you talk about and

pizza gate and frazzle drip and all that stuff was always one of those things that everybody was like look probably shouldn't talk about this because that's a very good way to either get you banned or silence or censored or whatever and especially during when Biden and kamala Harris were in office you know it's just something that you didn't do and so then most people never really heard about it. There was a few people, a few, I guess, certain groups of people that heard about it. But for the most part, most people just thought it was just some psycho crazy lunatic conspiracy and they just forgot about it. And then when the Epstein files that we have received, which is not a lot, but, but we also know there's three million plus files still to be released.

And even with the files that we have got, it almost seems like the pizza gate and all that stuff was true. Yeah. And it was like very novice. compared to what we saw in the new files. Yeah, for sure. So that's why I want to play this interview. I want to break it down because as, like I said, as we are coming up to the potential for disclosure, we don't know that that's going to happen for sure. But I at least want to reminisce about what John Lear said.

And this, by the way, this interview was 1987 was when George Knapp interviewed John Lear. Listen. Hello and welcome to on the record. Flying saucers, extraterrestrials, monitoring. from outer space. The government has been telling us for years that they're not real. They're weather balloons or swamp gas or reflections from the sun or the ravings of lunatics. But serious UFO researchers say a breakthrough may be very close. Some of the government scientists who worked on the top secret project, Blue Book, are ready to talk.

What's more, a series of revealing government documents have trickled out of the federal files, documents that paint a much different picture of the UFO phenomenon. on. One of the most dedicated UFO researchers lives right here in Las Vegas. His name is John Lear, and he is my guest today. Mr. Lear, thanks for being here. Now, before I go on, and I'm not going to keep interrupting, but doesn't that sound awfully familiar with what the government and what people thought back in 1987? We're very close to disclosure, you know, Project Blue Book, the people are going to start coming forward, these whistleblowers, even though most of that never happened back in 87, 89, 90s.

But there actually are whistleblowers coming forward now. But I do think that we're closer now than we ever have been. And I think if you just look at the 15 missing scientists and researchers that are either missing or dead, I think that tells you how many whistleblowers are finally ready to come out. And the ones that are ready to come out, they're trying to disappear as quickly as they can. And I'm talking about some of these whistleblowers were set. to testify in front of Congress, and it wasn't until they declared that they were going to testify in front of Congress, is when they disappeared and died.

So, you know, I do think we're closer, but I just wanted to point that out. George. To begin with, you're a pilot, an airline pilot captain. You have held 17 different world speed records at one time or another. You're a member of the famous Lear family that all Nevadans are pretty much familiar with, a former State Senate candidate. You don't sound like the kind of guy who would get hooked up in something that a lot of people would say is a bunch of nonsense. No, it's just by coincidence that I got really interested in this about two years ago. My father saw a UFO, and my brother did.

And they were very interested, but there was really no proof as far as I was concerned to really look into it until about two years ago. Your father and brother saw them. Can you give details? My brother saw one. He was flying a P-38 from Phoenix to Los Angeles at night. It just appeared in front of him. He made two turns, 90-degree turns. It stayed in front of him and then disappeared. And my father was flying at night, I believe, over the Arizona desert and saw one, too. So you started, you got an interest because of the other members of your family. How did you start out? I had an interest, but there was really nothing I could put my finger on. And like I say, two years ago, a friend of mine came through town. We had flown in a south. Southeast Asia together, and he was retiring from the Air Force. He came over, and we started talking about where he had been for the last 15 years, and he mentioned that he had been stationed at Bentwater's. And I said, oh, Bentwaters, that's where the flying saucers supposedly was

in 1980. He said, no, John, not supposedly, it was. He said, I don't care if you believe me or not. It landed. I didn't see it because we were confined to quarters, but I know people who did, and I'll give you the names. And if you ever see them, tell them, you know me, and they'll tell you the whole story. Since then, I ran into one of the security police, who was within 10 feet of the saucer, and actually saw the three aliens get out and go up to General Gordon Williams, who was the wing commander at that time. There was quite a bit of documentation regarding this Bent Warner incident. Why don't you go into that a little bit? There's the Colonel Halt memo that came out under the Freedom of Information Act, and it told about the mysterious lights and

beaming down and everything that happened in the forest except the actual 8 landings. That wasn't in the memo. And there was also the tape, Colonel Hall tape, forest tape, that he made over a period of eight hours. And there's a 20-minute segment that we've been able to get a hold of that you can hear him running through the forest and being worried saying the thing's after us. Now, why do you suppose that hasn't come out? I mean, this particular incident, why hasn't come out of so many people,

you've told me about this before, have seen it or seen these aliens. Why haven't some of them come forward? A lot of them have come forward, but they're just not getting any press. It's something that people just don't want to deal with. The press doesn't want to deal with, and people aren't going to listen to something unless Dan, rather, or any of your big press people are going to tell them about it. And they're just too spooked.

The Air Force has made an art form of ridiculing people who have talked about this thing. They've done an excellent job of covering it up for the last 40 years. Now, I want to stop here just for a second because we had to talk about a couple of things. He's right, number one, about how they do cover it up and why, you know, the only way that anyone's going to listen to it is Dan Rather or your, you know, nightly news, you know, anchors. That's the news people listen to. And like for boomers, even today, like with what's going on in the world today, the main

consensus, although most people say that mainstream media is dead, it's really not, right? And that's why everybody's like, well, until the boomers are gone, then really mainstream media will be dead then. But until then, there's still a lot of power in voting and a lot of power in the boomer age of where they do get their news from NBC Nightly News and all of those newscasts that come on right after their local news. And that has so much influence you can't even imagine. That's just taking away the CNN's MSNBCs or Foxx.

news. We're talking about the nightly news. And that stuff is like for the boomers, for the 60, 70 and 80 year olds. And 90. Yeah, that's like them going to church on Sundays is listening to NBC nightly news or 60 minutes or any of those programs. So he's right about that. Right. But the interesting thing is here he says, like, well, I know that there were aliens that got off this craft and went and met with the general. Yeah, three aliens, he said. And he didn't explain what they look like. But I think we'll get further into deep. detail of what Bob Lazare thinks they look like. But I think he was also right, too, as far as because the press wouldn't cover it, it wouldn't get out in the news. And also, there was a huge stigma on any kind of aviation pilot that if they ever

reported anything like that, they were deemed crazy. And their pilot license would actually be taken away. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, you've got to be very careful. When you're in aviation to any degree, and this goes for pilots, especially talking about UFOs or things are seeing in the sky. You got to be careful because what most people don't understand that it's not an aviation, the medical is extremely strict. When you have a first class medical and you are a pilot, there are all types of things that they can pull your license for.

And obviously, most of those are medical, but also psychological. And, you know, like, for example, if you've ever had an anxiety attack or depression or whatever, most pilots are not going to go to the doctor and say, hey, I had an anxiety attack yesterday or I'm depressed or any of that stuff. Most of them will never even think about going to the doctor because that goes on your medical record. And so think about like when you get arrested, for example, or if you ever have a speeding ticket or whatever the case is, that goes on your criminal record. Well, for pilots, medical records are just as damning for pilots as a criminal record is for pilots or teachers or whoever else, police officers. So for pilots, it's very tough to actually get help when you actually need it for something, especially medically. or mentally, I guess, is the thing. And especially when you're talking about things that you think potentially you saw, like a UFO or alien or a UFO spacecraft, that's something you're not going to say because then people are going to start thinking, okay, this guy is seeing shit maybe.

And I don't know if he's safe to fly, especially if your name comes out and reports. And then obviously, like if you're flying for United or any airlines, they're going to absolutely tell you if you ever went to your superior, they're going to say, don't ever talk about this again. I mean, period. And the same thing goes with military pilots. So I just wanted to point that out. And obviously, Lear here knows all about that. He was an airline pilot. He had many years in aviation up until his death in 2002, I believe, is when John Lear died.

But listening to what he's about to say, I think is very important. That's why I wanted to play this because you're going to hear a lot of similarities about the things you're hearing today with what he was saying here in 1987. George, basically what we're dealing with here is I'll give you the bottom line. I want to hear your thesis. I'm not trying to sell a book. I'm not trying to promote a lecture. This is based on what I've come across after intense research in the last year.

And I have found out that the government has retrieved between 10 and 15 fractal flying saucers, three of which have been in perfect condition, one of which they tried to fly. They have between 30 and 50 alien bodies in cryogenic storage. We even have the name of the person whose job it is, to show these bodies to the heads of state and the people who are authorized to see them. They represent at least five different civilizations. I can't imagine Dan Rather or Tom Brokaw, if that were to come to their attention, a story of that magnitude, that they wouldn't do something with it.

Well, I can't answer that question. I don't know why they don't do it. There certainly is enough evidence based on what I've looked at. For instance, the Linda Moulton Howe documentary in Denver for the CBS affiliate there called A Strange Harvest. Since 1975 to 1980 when she made the documentary, there's at least 9,000 cattle mutilations. Now, the government said that the mutilations were normal. Your desert predator did these. But they weren't.

The mutilations, they... I think we have a picture of these somewhere. Maybe we can see that as you're talking. I think that's the next picture. There we are. This is a mutilation. New Mexico State Police did the research or the investigation on it, and they cut out certain parts and the cut was made with a laser beam far sharper than anything we have.

As a matter of fact, they were able to determine that they cut between the cells and didn't cut the cells themselves. We presently don't have this kind of technology. Well, if we don't know that we have this kind of technology, you and I don't know that we don't, but that doesn't prove necessarily that it's E.T. No, except that there's usually a visual sighting of a flying saucer or a strange light at each one of these sightings. Okay, you mentioned the saucers and the bodies. Now, what kind of proof do you have that that is true? How do you know that? Well, let me take a look. Let me read to you first what the Air Force says about the bodies. First of all, I'm going to read from the introductory space science, Volume 2, Department of Physics, United States Air Force.

This is Chapter 13 Unidentified Flying Objects. Now, this is what the Air Force has the students at the Air Force Academy read. And it says, the most commonly described alien is about three and a half feet tall, has a roundhead, arms reaching to her below his knees, and is wearing a silvery spacesuit or coveralls. Other aliens appear to be essentially the same as Earthmen, while still others have particularly, ride wrap around eyes and mouths with very thin lips. And there is a rare group reported to be about four feet tall, weight of around 35 pounds, and covered with thick hair for clothing. Members of this last group are described as being extremely strong. Now, I'm not making this up. This is an airport. You can pick out an Air Force physics book and read this stuff. And at the end of the chapter,

they go on to say, this leads us to believe in the unpleasant possibility of alien visitors to our planet, or at least of alien-controlled UFOs. Now, the picture that we have of the big head that the Air Force describes, this picture was drawn by an Army surgeon. These are one of the bodies that was recovered in the famous Roswell incident of 1947. Tell us about that. It was the first flying saucer that crashed and was recovered by the Army. It was covered up. There has been several books about it. They recovered four beings, and one of the surgeons that was responsible for the autopsy drew that picture and came up with some of these interesting things in the autopsy. I'll just read a couple three and a half to four and a half feet tall, two round eyes without pupils,

no earlobes, nose is vague, neck described as being thin, arms is described long and thin, reaching down to the knee section, you can see that there's a web portion in the hands, no teeth, no apparent reproductive organs, brain is capacity unknown, colorless liquid prevalent in the body without red cells, no lymphocytes. And there's more in that particular report. This is an autopsy report. And you said the government goes to great lengths, the Air Force in particular, to discredit this kind of stuff. Where did this come from? How did you get this? I want to stop for a second because we're going to get so deep into this because he's saying so many things at once and I want to break down a couple of things.

Number one, he's saying 30 to 50 bodies in cryogenic storage and cryogenic storage is basically a way to keep as much of you preserved as possible. And, you know, some people, like in some movies, you've seen like cryogenic storage as when they got out of it, they were still alive. I don't know if that's even possible. It could be. It depends on how these beings actually live and breathe and how they actually interact with our atmosphere.

if they are not from this atmosphere. Well, it's kind of the same way that they store like sperm and eggs as an embryo. Yeah. When you're doing in vitro fertilization, they store them in these containers. And you can wait 30 years and then use it and it actually make life. Exactly. And then he also said, you know, from everything that he has heard whistleblowers and papers, that these came from at least five civilizations.

and so we've talked on this show so many times about what we believe that UFOs and aliens could be. And it sounds like, by the way, the government is starting to lean and go towards this narrative about biblical aliens, right? So the watchers narrative, the watchers, the nephalum, the spirits, the demons, the things that we can't see, the things the Bible talks about. It seems like that when we get disclosure, I think a lot of what we're going to see is going to go, more towards or closely to the biblical narrative. And the reason I'm saying this and the reason I'm pointing this out, Sherry, remember we just randomly talked about this the other day. And I don't want to say anything to get any Christians or anything, you know, an uproar.

Because I'm a Christian myself. I believe in Jesus. That's what I believe. But it does make you wonder, like, if the government narrative comes out and it is like, hey, here's disclosure. We do think these are interdimensional beings. These are biblical beings. Same thing.

The Book of Enoch talked about representative. Luna literally four or five days ago on her ex account just posted based on what she's seen in skiffs and what she knows so far about the reports or the files that maybe we're going to get she said go read the book of Enoch which we've done many episodes on the book of Enoch the watchers and the nephlum if you guys have not if you don't know anything about that go back and listen to our episodes they are good episodes but it just makes me wonder like if you also have the other side of this the government side whereas like John Lear's talking here and he says, hey, we know that these things come from at least five civilizations.

Would it be beneficial for the government to go with the biblical narrative of these things are interdimensional beings, probably demonic? And that's what they are. Do not associate with them. Do not interact with them. They are demonic. That is what most Christians will also tell you. Don't go ghost hunting. Don't interact with these things. They could possess you. They could do very bad things to you. And that is possible. but also at the same time, I think a lot of people have always worried, especially governments, that if you do disclose aliens to be from other planets or solar systems or somewhere far, far away, that they think that it's going to hurt the biblical narrative, the biblical idea of religion in this world. And the reason why you would ask yourself, why would the government be worried about that is because for the people that say that religion is control, that is why that, governments would worry because if you have religion, think about just for an instant.

How many wars have been started because of religion around the world? Most of them. Yeah, most of them. It's either territory or it is religion. Right. And especially in the Middle East, the Middle East is all the time at war for religion. And, you know, you look at like Russia, Ukraine, I think that's more of a political government or territorial thing.

I think, obviously, you can talk about wars for oil or resources. but in particular, most of the biggest wars have been because of religion. Even if you go back to World War II, if you think about Hitler and the Jews and Nazis and all that stuff, that was a religious war, whether you want to look at it that way or not. And so all I'm saying there is, I'm not saying the Bible is it true. I believe in the Bible and I believe in Jesus. But I am saying, though, that the government would not want necessarily you to believe that there are aliens from all these other star systems that are completely different civilizations

because then it just brings up a huge question about why didn't we know about those civilizations biblically right and like who are their gods is it the same god as ours you know what what is the reason that we would have all of these other beings and not know about it especially the fact that we've read the bible we've read everything we can and never mention anything about these outside of the watchers and the Nephlam and all this stuff. And so that was just something, Sherry, you and I were talking about the other night. That was just an interesting question, I guess. Yeah.

And could it be that religion is true and Jesus is true, true, and Jesus is real? But maybe there is a part of the government that has hijacked part of the religion in order to control us. That's kind of my belief is I feel like, excuse me, the government is kind of uses religion as control. But when they're talking about actual alien bodies and actual spacecraft, to me, that doesn't feel like it would be interdimensional. It feels like it's in our dimension. How did they get interdimensional to our dimension? So in my opinion, I think that it's all the above. It could be that there's a lot of things that are coming to us interdimensional.

Like we can see them, but we could like reach out, kind of like that movie is interstellar. Like you can reach out and touch, but you can't touch. They're there, but they're not there. But these, what they're talking about are physical bodies and physical spaceships. Yeah. Physical UFOs and physical elements that are not here on Earth, which leads me to believe that they're not interdimensional. And when he said there's five different civilizations, you know, I've heard a lot of people

that are in the like alien communities talking about all these different dimensions of aliens that they know, like the grays. What are the other ones that manage? Yeah, the manatees, the different species. And maybe those are the different civilizations of aliens. And maybe these crafts, because they are all differently shaped and different, I don't think they're powered differently, but they do have different shapes. So maybe these crafts came from different civilizations. But I think that they are here among us.

And when I think about when they're here among us, I actually think that maybe they didn't come from a far. away star system. Maybe they've been here the whole time. You know, we talk about how these UFOs can go from water, I mean, to air to water and transmits through them very fastly. Transmediums. Yeah, transmediums. So maybe they've been here the whole time and they live among us and we just don't know they're here. Yeah. Now, you're right. I mean, I, they could and it could be all the above. And I do think there are elements of all the above, right? I mean, there's that theory even that, You know, for example, I guess that's kind of the ancient or alien astronaut theory that, you know, potentially aliens came down, bred, somehow bred something with monkeys or apes. And then we popped out of that, right?

Because there is a huge gap between apes and man. And it's impossible if you believe in evolution that we came from monkeys. It's just impossible. I think it is too. And we've talked a lot about that, which is why I think the spelling, I mean, I'm not saying evolution. doesn't exist. But I think the way they try to describe it between like how we came from apes, I think is ridiculous.

There's a huge gap there that we just have no idea about. And I just don't believe that idea of evolution as far as how we came to exist. But I'm also not saying that we are part of this alien breeding program that they bred us with apes and then we're just a smarter level of them. But, you know, he talks about cattle mutilations. We're still seeing that today. It still happens. there are still reports of that, especially across the Midwest.

You know, you think about even though I'm not necessarily saying that everything that is on Skinwalker Ranch show is true or whatever, I don't know because I've not been there. Although I do have a connection to Brandon Fugle through Nathan, and Nathan knows Brandon Fugle pretty well. And we're supposed to actually get together on a podcast sometime. I would love to do that. And actually, I would love to go out to Skinwalker ourselves and check it out. But, you know, cattle mutilations happen. This happened there. That was one of the prime locations for cattle mutilations was in that area at Skinwalker Ranch

on that plateau in Utah. But it's also happened in Arizona. It's happened in New Mexico. And it's happened for a very long time. And the way that they actually mutilate these cows is very surgical procedures. And you're talking about John Lear here talking about this in 1987. Yeah, that they split. They didn't even split a cell.

Yeah. They basically split between cells to stop some of the bleeding. they took out certain organs. It was very, very precise. And like I said, we're talking back in 1987. And at the, you know, at every one of these instances, most people, if they were in the area at the time, always see strange lights in the sky when these things happen. Yeah.

I also wanted to bring up crop circles, which we've seen those for decades. And to see how precise they're cut, I don't think it would be humanly possible for a human being to go like with a tractor or a lawmower and make these precise cuts. And then some of the symbolism in these crop circles are just crazy. Yeah. Well, there's actually been groups of people after the crop circle started coming up. And I think this was back in the early 2000s, late 90s, they actually went out to a cornfield and tried to replicate some of these.

And they did decent, right? And the way they did it was they put like a two by four board or a two by six board. and they had a rope on both sides to where they could like push down the corn with their foot. And they would do these circles and then they would do a line and they would do another circle. But what they found was, number one, it was not even close to as precise once they actually took it from a like aerial view. When they looked at it, it looked kind of sloppy. It took them way too long because some of these crop circles would show up in hours, like to where people that own these fields would be in their house. They would go outside.

Few hours later, the crop circles would be there. And there's actually one video out there on the internet somewhere. If you guys know where it is, send it to us, actually. I mean, I can probably find it. But there is a video that was out. I think it came out. I remember seeing it probably seven or eight years ago. So this is before AI for any of that stuff.

And it shows a video of these orb type things. And speaking of Ashton Forbes and the MH370 thing with the orb circling the airplane. This is what these orbs look like when they were. were creating these crop circles. And to my knowledge, that video has never been debunked. And this video was taken back in the 90s on like some type of, you know, like one of those homemade or the handheld, you know, VHS, you know, camcorders, like the stuff that my dad used to have when he would record us at baseball games or basketball or whatever.

And so I wanted to talk about that. And then obviously the Air Force physics books where it literally talks about what these aliens are, what they look like, what to expect from these things. is from an Air Force physics books that John Lear received. And we got to talk about the credibility once more. John Lear, very credible, entire family, very credible, very well known in the aviation industry. And then if you think about George Knapp, which is who was interviewing him.

You know, George Knapp for many years, he was one of the most recognized and awarded journalist in all of journalism in the United States of America. He received four or five Peabody Awards, which is one of the top awards in journalism. He's also got many Emmy Awards. I mean, we're talking about, I don't know, 50-something Emmy Awards. He is literally one of the most credible journalist of any journalist that we've ever seen in, especially local television. He was with Las Vegas. And obviously, those big markets like in Las Vegas are huge markets just like L.A.

and some of the other ones. But he's a legit journalist. So this guy's not just blowing smoke up your ass and he's not interviewing John Lear because he wants to tell you some kind of bullshit story. This is not the days of. X and social media where everything is AI and you don't even know what you can believe and what you can't believe anymore. And like John Lear said, he said, I'm not trying to sell books from this. I'm telling you what I'm telling you just because I feel like the public needs to know. I'm not trying to get rich off of this.

Yeah. And by the way, speaking of books and this last thing, we'll listen to the rest of this, there is an amazing book that I read, which if you look it up on the internet, they'll try to tell you 100% it's all BS and it's not true. but the book is called The Day After Roswell. I read this book and it actually takes account from firefighters, military personnel, and a police officer that was at the scene of the Roswell crash. And so you guys should check out the day after Roswell. I read that book and it was pretty astounded. Even though the internet will sell USBS, I don't know,

because there's a lot of what that book says that the people that were around that situation, including Lear and everybody he's talked to, Bob Azar, you name it, They've basically all described the same thing. So just wanted to point to that. Came in a private, that came from the private collection of Leonard Stringfield, who was one of the premier researchers. He worked for the Air Force in the early 50s in a secret project reporting UFOs. Then as a civilian, he continued his private research, and this is out of his collection. Why does the government want to hide this?

Why doesn't the Air Force just come forward? What isn't, you know, why don't they level with us if this is all true? Well, there's not really much they could say based on what I've been able to find out. George, they're really, you know, what could they say about it? They've been researching it for many, many years, and based on my information, let's say that the president decided to make an announcement. This is, if he made it today, this is what I think that he would say. My fellow Americans, I come to you before you tonight with an announcement of

great importance. Despite all our denials, flying saucers do in fact exist. Where they come from, we do not know. Who is in them, we do not know. Where they are from, we do not know, nor do we know how they got here or what they want. We are unable to duplicate any of the metals found on the several craft we have recovered, nor are we able to figure out how they are propelled. We have hidden these facts from you over the past 40 years in hopes that we could give you more answers. We are no closer to answers today than we were 40 years ago. God bless you all. In other words, you find it highly unlikely that the president would ever make a statement, anything like that. No, it's just, it's too big. The problem is not only just the fact that there are five to do, five and as many as 10 different civilizations visiting us.

apparently, and this is from the research that I've done, at least 90% of them are hostile. And when I say hostile, if not hostile, they have a completely different set of morals than we do. Okay, I'll tell you what, we're going to come back to the president and aliens, because there have been some statements made by presidents, including President Reagan. We'll be right back. Welcome back, UFOs. Are they real? We're talking with John Lear on the subject. Mr. Lear mentioned a couple of minutes ago about what the president might say about UFOs.

Do you believe that various presidents have been informed about what you believe to be the truth on UFOs? Each president has been informed up to and including President Reagan. I'm not sure to the extent they are informed. Privately, I don't believe they are giving the full briefing. The people that control this information is a organization that we know of as MJ12. and their top group of military and scientists. And I do know that when the president becomes president,

it takes at least three or four months before he actually gets the clearance to know everything there is. Now, that doesn't mean they tell him, but it does take three or four months to get it. Now, talking to the president, let's talk about what the president has actually said. Has he mentioned anything about aliens?

President Reagan. President Reagan on December 4th, 1985. This is a copy of the speech from the White House just before he went over to Iceland. He says, I couldn't but one point in our discussions privately with Secretary General Gorbachev, when you stop to think that we're all God's children, wherever we may live in this world,

I couldn't help but say to him, just think how easy his task and mine might be in these meetings that we held is suddenly there was a threat to this world from some other species, from another planet outside in the universe. We'd forget all our local days. differences that we have between our countries, and we would find out once and for all that we really are all human beings here on this earth together.

He couldn't be just making a supposition for purpose of making a point. You're saying he's trying to tell us something. Well, here, one week ago at the 42nd General Assembly in front of the UN, September 21st, he says, in our obsession with the antagonism of the moment, we often forget how much unites all the members of humanity. perhaps we need some outside universal threat to make us recognize his common bond. I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. And yet I ask you, is not an alien force not already among us?

Now, this is right out of a White House speech. I'm not making this up. And I want to stop that for a second because he's talking about Reagan here. And there's a lot of people that use those two lines from Reagan that say this is what the government is going to do with Project Blue Beam to create a one world government. Now, you could say that, like, that was his intention of what he was saying that. I don't think that was the intention. I understand what he was saying, whether or not he knew about aliens or not.

What I can say, I believe, is that I don't think Trump knows a damn thing about aliens, because if he did know about aliens, he would literally be on the news tonight. He would not build to keep his mouth shut. Yeah, he would be true social and the hell about aliens. I don't know. The videos. I don't know, though, because he probably knows more about the Epstein files than he claims to know. That's true.

And he does keep his mouth shut about that. But it's important to know that when he was talking about for 40 years, and this was back in the 80s, you know, even during. So we're talking about basically from Roswell to then. Yes. Even World War II, you know, they experienced what's called the foo fighters. Yeah. And pilots then were seeing some kind of UFO and that they were antagonizing them. as they were going to war.

Yeah, exactly. This has been happening for a long, long time, and it's still happening today. Yeah, food fighters was a huge thing, right, back in World War II. And we got to remember this. So food fighters happened to not only allied pilots, which was from Europe and, but also the United States, but predominantly, I think it was European pilots, the British pilots that were experienced in these foo fighter incidents to where there would be these bright lights of these massive orbs that would come alongside of this.

them and almost like you said, they would, they would antagonize these pilots and they would, you know, a lot of the pilots felt very threatened. And so it was interesting that after World War II, there was a race for the scientist in Germany. Yes. That was interesting. But we've always known that Germany, for whatever reason, has some type of high level of advanced technology and especially from it seemed like somewhere around World War II.

And I've always wondered, like, did World War II happen because of the way they say it happened or was it something bigger behind the scenes of why World War II happened? Because if you think about it with no, I mean, if you go down the rabbit hole and do your research on what the United States and Russia and basically everybody thought about what Germany had, the technology for whatever reason Germany had, they were actually producing types of flying saucer type craft from what we understand back in World War II. We don't know necessarily that these food fighters were those craft, but it is. is kind of interesting that the way these craft appeared to the pilots during World War II

is kind of similar to how Bob Lazare actually described the flight that he encountered and also what he showed his friends when this was right around the time he was about to get fired from Airy S4 when he went along the mountain ridges because he knew on Wednesdays that they tested this thing and so he brought his friends out there you know I think there was like three or four friends they witnessed this thing flying he described exactly why it had this glow on it. And we've talked about on other podcasts as well. But there's so many similarities with what Bob Lazar saw at Area S4, what the pilots saw during

World War II and the food fighter instances. But then there's also similarities of what people still see today with these orbs. What Sherry has seen at the river. I've seen at the river and her friends. What, you know, you think about Chris Bloodsoe and, you know, Dr. Stephen Greer and all of these people to see five experiments where they try to summons these orbs and it does actually happen. Whatever you think about MH-Stre 70 and the Ashton Forbes videos, I don't know if it's true or not, don't know.

But either way, there's something to do with the orb like things. And for whatever reason, right after World War II was over, it was Russia and it was the United States that rushed to Germany to steal their scientists. And so one of our major scientists and one of the major guys that we stole during that time was Warner Braun Braun. We created essentially NASA behind and after World War II. And not only did we create NASA, but we advanced our intelligence program after World War II. We had this massive shift in rocket and propulsion technology after World War II. And then right along this time also was actually after World War II, but we had the Roswell incident. So all of this stuff

connects. And this is John Lear talking about it here in 1987. And we're obviously still talking about it today. And so are we like right on the edge of disclosure? I don't know. Well, and it was interesting too. He said, do you think all the presidents have been, you know, told about this? Well, if you read various books, there are books that say that Eisenhower actually was in communication with these aliens and they, I guess, gave them a lot of technology.

I'm not sure which books I can't remember, Chad. Let me look. So that story in particular was. in 1954, Eisenhower was on a trip in Palm Springs, and he suddenly disappeared from public view for a few hours. Now, the official explanation at the time was that he had a dental emergency, but there is many versions. A lot of people around that came out as whistleblowers said that something very different happened, that he was taken to Edwards Air Force Base for a secret meeting with extraterrestrials. And so according to the story, Eisenhower allegedly met with one or more alien groups

and even made some kind of agreement involved in technology exchange. So some virgins say that there were multiple species. Others say it was more of a neutral first contact type of meeting. There's never been any verified evidence of this from what they say. But it has been repeated for decades by UFO researchers, insiders, and whistleblowers who claim there is much more to the story than what was made public. And so, yeah, I mean, there are notable presidents in history like Eisenhower and this story and and the reason why by the way the Eisenhower story got so big was because of the people around him that knew what Eisenhower was doing probably six or seven years after Eisenhower's

term they came out and said this is what actually happened at day these were some of our first official whistleblowers and so our president's privy to all of the information on UFOs no I don't think so are they told some BS just to get them through I we believe so obviously we know that the deep state and whoever is in control of these reverse engineering programs. I think the government in large part don't even know a lot of what they're doing with these programs. And I think that is a big danger we've talked about on so many episodes where if you do have private entities outside of government control or oversight. Like contracts with the government.

Yeah, government contracts. But if the Congress and Senate and whoever doesn't have any oversight in this, which we are coming to find out, we don't, because you think about all the skiffs and even the committees that are being set up now to where they're trying to interview whistleblowers. And a lot of these whistleblowers are either turned up missing or they're turning up dead. But even when they do get someone in the skiffs, they basically just answer with things like, I can't talk about that. I can't say that.

Even in classified briefings, because they know they've probably already been told when you go in this skiff, if you say anything, which we're going to know, by the way, we're going to kill you. And they probably even give examples. Well, look, here's this person disappeared. This person disappeared. So go ahead and go in that skiff and say whatever you think you're going to say as a whistle. blower because somehow you have a paper protection of whistleblower, the whistleblower protection act is all bullshit.

Right. These people know going to the skiffs, if we say anything, we're going to end up dead. And that's a very clear and present danger. You know, David Grush in congressional hearing literally said basically like, yeah, there are people that are murdered for this. And we see what's happening today with all these scientists disappearing. But let me ask you a hypothetical question. like Reagan said back in 1985, if there were an alien threat, what would happen to us?

Would we all stop fighting and would we come together and fight against aliens? Like, what would happen? Would all these wars stop? Because that's what Reagan was pretty much saying is that we got to remember we live on Earth and, you know, we're fighting amongst each other. But what if we have a bigger battle in our hands? Well, I think if there was actually a battle to be had with aliens, we would have already had it. And I think that they would have definitely already completely demolished us probably.

But either way, maybe, I mean, you could get as simple and as asinine as this. I mean, it's kind of asinine. But, like, just to say that maybe the governments don't want disclosure because they don't want to quit fighting with each other. At least certain governments to hold all of the secrets. Maybe they don't want that. They don't want the world to know that we have this potential threat of aliens and we should all come together. Because coming together as a world really doesn't help any nation. it actually hurts them because, you know, then that the world gets rich, you lose money as a nation.

There's less money coming into the pockets of some of these elites in some cases. And honestly, it just seems like, especially after, you know, this past year, the past 10 years, governments don't want peace. And I think we're starting to see that. Like, I don't know, you know, I was talking about like if you have a one year old born today, like, what is their life going to be like 50 years from now? What is the world going to be like? do we really think there's going to be just harmony and peace 50 years from now?

I don't think so. I don't know what it's going to be in 50 years, but I do know that to stop the trajectory of the way the world is going right now, something massive has to happen. And so what is that? I don't know. And, you know, in the event that we do get to a point. Fake alien invasion. No, but I'm saying if we get to the point where we're literally about to blow each other

up with nuclear weapons, for whatever reason, by the way, so many reports talk about these UFOs that always tend to show up around nuclear facilities and they have for a very long time, you know, are they going to stop that from happening? Because, you know, there has obviously been the narrative around that says, you know, hey, these things are dangerous. Even though I don't necessarily think that's true. You hear Dr. Stephen Greer and others say, I don't think aliens are dangerous. I don't think they're hostile. You have John Lear here saying that 90, 90. He said 40 percent. No, 90 percent, he believes. Oh, I thought he said 40. 90.

He said 90% could be hostile of what we think. And so, you know, there is that idea that like 90% of whatever we're seeing is hostile. But what is his definition of hostile? Is hostile abducting humans and taking them on their craft and examining their reproductive system? Is that considered hostile? I don't know. But I would think that if you have an advanced civilization like what we are talking about here and they were hostile, we would have already been toast. You know, so that's my point.

What did he mean by this alien force? I mean, does it say? Does he go on to say something? Yeah. He says, what could be more alien to the universal aspirations of our people than war and the threat of war? But the point is, why would he even bring up aliens? I mean, it's pretty far out for the president of the United States to be mentioned threats from outer space. Okay.

What about President Carter? President Carter, we have the quote from Carter when he was during his election campaign. If I become president, I'll make every piece of information this country has about UFO sightings available to the public and the scientists. I am convinced that UFOs exist because I have seen one. Jimmy Carter says he saw one. That's Jimmy Carter. He saw one. But he didn't tell us, did he?

He doesn't. The pressure is enormous on these people to cover this stuff up. How can that be? Are they afraid of a panic that people would panic? There's the panic problem. And there's also the problem that, in fact, in Cro-Magin, man, there may have been some tinkering to make us what we are today. And that's been borne out by several researchers that we couldn't have developed exactly the missing link. Something had to happen to get us going.

Between 4,000 and 8,000 BC, we had just been going along and for hundreds of thousand years not doing anything. All of a sudden, bang, we started making pottery, reinvented the week. and vented fire and everything took off. What was the key that did that? I don't know, but it causes one the thing. You mentioned a couple of minutes ago before the break that you think 90% of these visitors are hostile. What makes you think that?

Well, it doesn't fit with what we think of as E.T. You know? If you'll read several of these books that are on the newsstands, one is called intruders, one is called Communion. They apparently come down, and when I say apparently, taken from 300 hypnosis cases. A friend of mine has done 140 of them. And the people are abducted. They're taken up into a saucer. Usually lasts about an hour. They do all kinds

of experiments. They give them shots. They poke them. They cut them. They do all kinds of things. Then wipe out their memory and send them back. Only after several months of some psychological problems, do they end up going to a psychiatrist? And the psychiatrist on trying to find out what the problem is, and the use of hypnosis finds out that this person has been abducted. What's the reason for that? What are they trying to learn? There's three things that they're trying to do with these abductions. The first thing is they're trying to monitor us. It started in the early 40s, and they'd put a little unit, very small, B, B, B-type object way up in the back side of the brain, and they'd leave it there for about 18 years.

They'd pick them up and put it in about four years old. About 12 years old, they would pick them up and monitor it. Then about 18, they'd take it out. The second thing they did is they put a post-hypnotic suggestion. According to many of the people that have been hypnotized and we found out what they've told them, apparently within the next two to five years, there's going to be a big event,

Something enormous is going to happen. And these people have been abducted, and there's probably over 100,000 of them, have been given some place to go and something to do. But under our best hypnotic techniques, we cannot find out what it is. So how do we know that that's true? Because they said they're going to do something. They know that they're going to do something, but under the hypnosis, they can't find out exactly what it is.

And the third thing that they do is genetic experiments. They've been cross-breeding. There's a very good book out now called Intruders, written by Bud Hopkins. And it's about a cross-breeding experiment with a girl in Indianapolis. And they actually, the big head, what we call the big head in research, the little three-and-a-half-foot-tall with a big head, they cross-breed that with this girl in Indianapolis, and there were seven children. And just last fall, before the book was published,

they brought the oldest and the youngest to show to her, and they let her name all seven. Now, this book has been thoroughly researched by Bonn Hopkins, and although it sounds strange, believe me when I tell you, you may not find out in a month, a year, five years or ten years, but you'll look back at what I'm telling you now, and you'll say to yourself, my gosh, the son of a gun was right. Well, that's what I'm saying. We don't know for sure that he's right yet, but we don't know. But what he's saying is that the aliens are actually crossbreeding us.

Yeah. And are we doing that to them as well? I don't know. That's a good question. But either way, you know, what is it exactly? I mean, it was a crossbreeding program where I guess we were breeding aliens with people, right? So, and it sounds like, you know, if you think about all the abduction stories where they go in and there are women. that say that they have had a needle in their stomach, then they turned up pregnant.

These were all like sci-fi-type stories that we used to think were just crazy. And are some of those things true? We don't know. Now, what I will say is the very interesting thing about some of these stories, there have been very prominent women that have come forward in the past. You guys can look them up. I don't know the names right off top of my head, but some of these women that have come forward and said that they felt like they were impregnated by aliens.

they not long after disappeared out of spotlight. There's a lot of people that have tried to track them down, whether or not they were alive or dead, their identities almost seem to vanish. We don't exactly know. And it kind of somewhat sounds like the Epstein files in some ways because a lot of the women, some of the women that participate in Epstein files disappeared without a trace,

no idea where the hell those people are. There's claims some of them are dead and buried somewhere. But there are actually a lot of missing women that were involved in Epstein. And children. Yeah, and children. But think about even the border crossings. You had 300,000 children that were missing after Biden took office. And from that in that four-year period, when the border was wide open, there were 300,000 kids that were missing.

And, you know, so far. And still are missing. Yeah, still. We found a few, but not a lot. No, not a lot. So I think a lot of it could be because of the sex trafficking crap that's going on. Yeah, but who knows? What if it's alien breeding?

What if it is some kind of like deep clandestite program? Yeah, we don't know. We have no idea. But John Lear is saying, you know, we don't know if it'll be a year, 10 years. Well, now it's many years later. We're talking about 30 plus years later. But isn't it crazy that we're talking about the same thing today in 2026 that he was talking about in 1987? Yeah, you're exactly right.

I want to finish this because we only got a few minutes left. But I just wanted to. this interview was very important. Whether you've heard it or not or whatever, I just want to wrap your head around it again. You need to wrap your mind around this interview again from 1987, especially to what we're coming up against today, because we're going to get towards the end of this show,

which we do have quite a few other clips to play. This might have to be a part two episode. So if you are listening and you are not subscribed or not following or whatever, wherever you listen to podcast, make sure you follow us, because there will be a part two come out in the next couple of days. There's no way that we can, get to all of the things that we have keyed up to talk about this because this is very important but let's listen to the last little bit of john lear well where's this girl now she's just

living on a farm she she got no she lives in town or just outside of town she just got married bud went to her wedding uh we all know who she is she gets along you know just fine it just just because she was adopted and gave him children doesn't mean it was the end of the world it was just a part of her life why don't we see a lot of photographic evidence, as many cameras and video gear. Why don't we see a lot of that? There are a lot of it. Before you go on, I know the pictures that we showed in the beginning of this program, you say, they're baloney, they're phonies. That's right. The pictures you showed at the beginning were the, called the Myers incident. It's called the Visitors from Pleiades. And any euthologist

worth his salt knows, and who has researched that case, knows that he cannot back it up, with the negatives and the essential information to prove that something like that happened. So we look at that as suspect. So in other words, you run into your share of phonies as well in your research. Absolutely. There's not that many, but there are a few out there. There's so many people that have real stories to tell that we're just so busy with those. For instance, let's take the November 17th Japan Airlines incident.

I'll tell you what. We're going to take another break and we'll do that when we come back. Stay with. Welcome back. We have a few minutes left with John Lear. We're talking about UFOs. You're about to tell me about the Japanese airline incident. It's probably something that's still in the memory of our viewers.

Yeah, the Japanese airline incident was a cargo 747 that had taken off from Iceland flying to Anchorage. And as he passed over the United States border and the northern part of Anchorage, he was intercepted by a UFO that was twice the size of an aircraft carrier. and he was followed by 40 minutes. He made a complete 360-degree right turn. He made a descent of 5,000 feet, and the thing stayed with him. Regardless of what you hear, the FAA did have him on radar, and so did the Air Force. If you have a picture there, this is a 26-page document made by Bruce McAbee, who's a physics, physicist employed by the Naval Surface Weapons Laboratory

and one of the most respected figures in uphology. I don't think we have that picture, so go ahead. Okay, I'm just going to hold it up here. And you can see the size of the 747 to the UFO. Now, the UFO was not brightly lit like that. It's just made like that for reference. It was dark. But this is what he saw beside him.

Well, whose rendition is this? This is the captain's, this is from the captain's rendition when he was debriefed by the FAA. Now, certain UFO debunkers have said what he saw was the planet Jupiter. Well, this is an insult to all transport category captains around the world. I mean, the guy knows a difference between something that's twice as big as an aircraft carrier and the planet Jupiter. I've also heard that it's the reflection of his own plane. What, the radar? Yeah, that was an attempt to describe it.

You can't imagine what pressure these people are under to cover this stuff up. It's tremendous pressure. It really is. Okay. You were going to tell me that the church, did you want to go further into the JAL incident? No, that's it. I just want to say that. It has a 26-page report.

It had the captain and the ATC conversation. It had the radar plots, and it had the Air Force plots and the FAA radar plots. There was no question about it. You want to tell me. following him. The church, what do they think about UFO? Well, here's a copy from the London Evening New, July 21st, 1987, and says, prepare to meet thine aliens. Vatican theologians have acknowledged that there could be life on other planets. Now they plan to train missionaries capable of working in space and meeting aliens. Jesuit scientists at the Vatican Observatory

in Frascotti near Rome have reported moving lights and other identified phenomenon in the sky. starting in September, the Vatican University will have a special UFO section. You've said before you thought a lot of their intentions were hostile, and you've mentioned before that a lot of the sightings are around military bases. Why don't we see them here, Las Vegas? We've got a lot of military bases here. Well, in fact, there have been a lot of reports of UFOs in around Las Vegas, not specifically over the Air Force bases. We have the test site, and of course we don't know what's going on there, and we have Nellis Air Force Base, but there have not really been a lot of sightings over there.

The main Air Force sightings were in 1975, and the UFOs descended on every strategic air command base guarding the perimeter of the northern United States, and they hovered over the nuclear weapon storage area, and they stayed there with impunity for up to two and three hours over a period of three days. And nobody heard about it. Well, there was a few reports, but you really don't. I have a report 150 pages long of the F106s that were sent out to chase him in the helicopters and notifying the Canadian authorities and the security patrolmen that were sent down

to actually see what was going on, and they'd come up on these things, and they'd say, I'm not going any further. You think maybe it's a top secret area if the Air Force actually does have them, maybe they got him here? I'm certain they do. Up at the test site, there's a report that of the three that they got in perfectly good condition, at least one is up at the test side and has flown, and one was being flown as of 1981. By us? By us, yeah. We mentioned at the top of the show that perhaps a breakthrough might be coming, that some of these people from MJ12 or from the Project Blue Book who are in on the government's research and

We saw some of the stuff might be ready to talk. We got about a minute left. Why don't you tell me about that? It's our information that part of MJ12 wants to release it. Part of it doesn't. We're hoping that we can do this. But, of course, as researchers, we're not aware of all the ramifications. We just know of what we're looking at.

So we would like to see them release it, but we really don't know if they are. Okay. John Lear, it's been very... There you go. So there's the John Lear interview. you now there's there's a lot to unpack with that but the biggest thing i think is the vatican and religion um what is the vatican what is christianity what is all that say about all of this right so um i guess the biggest thing is that people point to is how open some of the vatican officials

have been right to the idea of extraterrestrial life like jose gabriel foons or funez who used to run the Vatican Observatory said back in 2008 that believing in aliens doesn't contradict belief in God. That was number one. And they have this massive observatory. Yes, that's what I was going to say. And why does the Vatican have an observatory? Sorry, observatory.

Yeah, it's weird. He even referred to aliens as potentially being our brothers, which is pretty wild statement coming from a senior Vatican scientist. Guy Kanz Malongo has gone even further, saying if an alien has, had free will and wanted to be baptized, the church would consider it. That is what he also said, right? And then the Vatican Observatory, which is one of the oldest scientific institutions in the world.

They operate advanced telescopes, including work at Mount Graham International Observatory in Arizona. And so this site constantly, this site's always talked about because it's one of the most highly advanced and most isolated observatories in the world. And a lot of people believe it is used to monitor more than just normal celestial objects and especially considering what the Vatican has consistently said. Vatican officials have repeatedly said a discovery of alien life would not destroy faith. And that's important because I suggest they're not worried about the shock factor, which raises

the question, are they preparing people ahead of time? And then World War II in the early UFO rumors, there are longstanding claims, not proven, but during World War II, the Vatican had knowledge of unusual craft sightings in Europe. We're talking about foo fighters and others. And so some of the versions say information was quietly shared with the U.S. before modern UFO programs even became public. And what we believe is that the Vatican is actually one that shared the information about the food fighters and other craft in the World War II theater with the United States government. And there have been whistleblowers that have come out from the Vatican that said it was us is the one that was telling them about these things because we knew they were here.

And then the Vatican Secret Archives, right? So the Vatican Apostistic Archive holds centuries of documents that are not fully public. And so a lot of researchers believe records of strange sightings, ancient encounters or unexplained phenomena could be stored there. We're even talking about text that we've never seen before that we believe to be in the Vatican secret archive. And so the church has already started addressing questions like, would aliens have souls? Did they need salvation? Are they part of the same creation story? And so the Vatican and others have tried to answer that story.

But I think it kind of goes back to one of the senior Vatican officials. If you think about it just this way, that if aliens exist, which seems like the Vatican believes they do. And, you know, the question is, could they be baptized? Well, they kind of think that they could be, right? Well, I guess anything with a soul, right? Could be baptized even though, I mean, it's like you think about people that live in America. They speak English.

People that live in Spain, I guess speak Spanish. Yeah. They speak different languages, but they're still able to communicate and able to understand each other. And therefore, they could. baptize. Well, that's, that's interesting that you say that because thinking back on that movie last night, we watched the Hell Mary project or Project Hell Mary and how they started

to communicate and just showing like, I would think that if you ever actually interacted with an alien from another planet. I think it would be telepathy. Well, maybe, maybe. But it could be. I think that there would have to be some types of signs that if they're smart enough. Yeah, they could be telepathic, which is what we've heard from a lot of people that have allegedly been abducted, but could they also try to interact with us in a way that's

like sign language or like, hey, you show me what you're talking about. I show you what I'm talking about. And it's kind of like just like if you're in a foreign nation that you have no idea what the hell the language is, how are you going to communicate with people or how are you showing people? It's kind of similar in some ways. I mean, from even an alien life form. So does it mean they are life?

We know that. So at the very least, you know, if they're intelligent life, do they have souls? well, if you believe in the Bible in Christianity, then you would say that they do. All living things do have life. The question would be is like with the Bible aspect of it, why were we not told about aliens? But a lot of Christians say that, well, we were. And they point back to Enoch and they point back to the Watchers. And they point back to the Nephilim, which are half human, half supernatural.

And, you know, the concept in the book of Enoch, which I find it interesting still to this day, that the book of Enoch never actually made it into the 66 books of the Bible. They did not ever want the book of Enoch in the Bible, even though it is as late or as early, if not earlier than the Old Testament. It's, you know, the writing of the Old Testament anyway. But, you know, in that it describes talking about, you know, these fallen angels, which is how Enoch describes it. But it's interesting because when you think, when you start hearing about it, it does

sound, number one, it sounds supernatural. It does sound kind of alien. These watchers that come down. Right. They, I guess you can say they don't do, they're not coming down for good of humanity, at least according to the writings. Well, they give humanity knowledge. Well, they do,

but it's not necessarily good knowledge. Yeah. And but at the same, you know, think about it in the same way. Like, if we are reverse engineering craft today, what is the U.S. government using for these craft? Are they using it for good or are they using it for weapons? Well, it's just like the laser beam that cuts through the cows, you know, the same thing. They're using them as weapons. Yeah, for sure they are.

And they're using the craft. They're using the materials. If we are actually reverse engineering the craft, they're using them for weapons because that is what humans do. When we see something that's extremely powerful, what are we going to use it as? What we're going to use as a weapon? Because that is what this world knows. The world knows death and destruction, it seems like, is like the driving factor of the world. But let me ask you a question, though, if they think they could baptize aliens, you know, and we talk about like our children, our infants, toddlers, children that don't understand the world.

You know, we say if they die before they gain salvation, they're going to heaven, right? So I guess that would be the same thing with animals, because animals don't understand what we're saying, but we want them to have salvation. You know, they have souls, but they don't have the understanding, kind of like a toddler. So if a toddler could go to heaven, then beagles could go to heaven, right? I don't know. Maybe. Maybe you're right. Maybe you are correct. I do want to play one last video for this episode. And I think it's important. Megan Kelly just recently had David Grush on. And what they talked about is also interesting because we're going to skip, we're going to basically skip from 1987 to 2026. And so I want you to hear both versions. This is not as long. Don't worry. You're not going to be here for the next hour, even though a lot of people are like, you guys don't have long enough podcast. And so I don't know. We're either going to make some people happy or make some people angry. But either way, here's Megan Kelly and David Gresh. Listen.

That is fascinated humans for centuries and continues to. Are we alone in the universe or even on our own planet? My next guest says, not only are UFOs or now they're called UAPs, unidentified anomalous phenomena, that's hard to remember, but UAPs, real, but the government has allegedly been aware of them. for decades and running a disinformation campaign to make you feel like an idiot if you believe reports about them. David Grush is a former U.S. Air Force intelligence officer and senior intelligence official. He was his agency's co-lead in UAP investigation and, quote, transmedium object analysis and was reporting to the Pentagon's UAP task force as well.

In 2020, Grush filed a whistleblower complaint, asserting that the United States has been operating a, quote, multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program, meaning we're taking what we find vehicles and trying to figure out how they operated, and that Congress has been kept in the dark about large portions of the program. He later testified under oath before the House Oversight Committee, drawing national attention. when he made this claim here. Watch. If you believe we have crashed craft stated earlier, do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft? As I've stated publicly already in my news nation interview, biologics came with some of these recoveries.

Yeah. Were they, I guess, human or non-human biologics? Non-human, and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the program I talked to that are currently still on the program. So he's alleging that we have crafts and we have non-human biologics from those crafts, and that the American people are being kept in the dark about it.

And he is not alone. He is not alone. Now, Pentagon officials have publicly denied that there's any verified evidence of non-human intelligence or secret programs of this kind. They've been denying it for 80 years. But now a new documentary called The Age of Disclosure is taking center stage. It's extraordinary, examining decades of this alleged secrecy. they have everyone in this film.

The film features interviews with 34 former and current government officials, including Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Representative Anna Polina Luna, who is also coming on in just a moment, who claim the U.S. has long been concealing evidence of non-human intelligence and UAPs. Here's a part of the trailer. Humanity is not the only intelligence in the universe. Humanity is not the only intelligent species. We are absolutely not alone.

Non-human intelligence exists. UAPs are real. They're here, and they're not human. I have seen, with my own eyes, non-human craft and non-human beings. This is so secret. Very, very few people in our entire government have been allowed access to it. Even presidents have been operating on a need-to-know basis, but that begins to ramp out of control. It's not acceptable to have secret parts of government.

that no one ever sees. You better be careful about a government that doesn't trust his people because there's no telling what they'll pull on you. That's extraordinary. Let's get into it. David joins me now. David, thank you so much for your service and for being here.

Thanks, Mel. Excuse me. Thanks, Megan. Thank you for having me on. No worries. This is like a crazy story and a stunning story and disturbing. And I have to tell you, I've always been sort of open-minded to this issue, but more skeptical.

and my skepticism is gone having watched the age of disclosure. It's incredibly well done. And they've got everybody. I mean, all of the like astrophysicists and extremely well-educated and accomplished scientists who have been investigating this from the start, well, not the start because it was 80 years ago, but in recent decades, on camera, on the record, saying as much as they can. And the director of the film has been making the rounds saying, the only reason he was able to get so many people to participate is because they felt there

was safety in numbers and that they couldn't either fire everyone or worse. Because a lot of these guys, these are distinguished guys served in the Air Force like herself or served to the Pentagon, served all over the armed forces. A lot of these guys are actually worried not just about their careers getting killed, but about themselves getting killed. I mean, set it up for us on the stakes of the number of people who went on camera and actually started saying as much as they could without violating class. specified restrictions.

Certainly. That's a real fear, and we can certainly get into that. Age disclosure was a project I didn't fully participate in. However, do I do applaud the effort in these individuals for at least coming forward and speaking. And like you, I was a very skeptical person. I was certainly open to the topic. I was interested in space and science in a very precocious way as a child. I ended up studying physics and the Air Force gave me a full-ride scholarship. And I was obviously open to the topic, but I was in positions of high trust in the government at the most extreme levels, having walked the halls of the West Wing, personally

handled the presidential daily intelligence brief and had some of the same broad accesses that the president and his cabinet has had over the years, even as a young man across multiple administrations. I figured when I was eventually brought into this topic, working for the UAP Task Force, oh, I would know this exists. Somebody would have slipped and said something to me. At the time, I was briefed to over 90% of all black programs in the Department of Defense and also the intelligence community. And I had an arrogant opinion of the topic. I was certainly open to the idea, but I figured I haven't seen any evidence and I would have been briefed into those kind of things because I had a need to know at

the time. So I came into it very similar to you, but open-minded. And then what specifically were you assigned to where you started to see actual evidence that we've been researching this for 80 years, that we do have crafts recovered, that we have not, that we have, quote, biologics recovered, which include some sort of other being. And what was your reaction when you started to learn this? Yeah, I was very skeptical. I was in my military capacity.

I had a parallel civilian intelligence career as well. But in my military reserve capacity, I was the backup intelligence director for the National Reconnaissance offices, Operation Center. I briefed the NRO director. that's where I handled the PDB, and I handled essentially all sensitive activities, and all that stuff. And so the UAP Task Force was looking for a representative from that organization. I came in as a skeptical I haven't briefed to a lot of U.S. programs. And I was thinking, oh, I'll figure out what this is. This might be some kind of U.S. program,

some prosaic natural phenomenon, some kind of adversarial programs, some strategic technical surprise. But eventually, as I started pulsing my networks, digging into archives where we'll just say certain programs forgot to fully clean out safe drawers and finding both audio visual documentation and then interviewing over 40 people all the way up to, I'll just say, the cabinet level over the course of four years. So a combination of oral testimony, audio visual evidence, and documentation, I became convinced at a high confidence level that the U.S. has engaged in a crash retrieval and reverse of engineering operation of, like the trailer you just played said, non-human craft and recovering, you know, the biologics as well. So there you go. That is David Grush.

and, you know, it sounds like at the very least that we are not alone. But do you not think that is an echo chamber of what John Lear just said? Exactly. Well, it is. But the question I have for you guys, because we're going to wrap this up on this part, because we do have more to talk about. There's quite a bit more we have to talk about where this is going to have to be a two-part series. So likely the next episode, we will talk more about this.

But I want you guys to go and follow us on our social medias. and on X in particular, I will try to post like our podcast that we did tonight on X. And in the comments, I want you to tell me what you think about UFOs. Because I know some of you are going to be like, this is just some type of sciop. This is to get our attention off of this or that. I don't think so. Because the reality of this UFO program slash disclosure slash files, whatever you want to say, is that it's been around for not just decades.

This has been around for thousands of years. even biblical text talk about this. And I think, though, that what I heard from someone today, it says that I think the biggest fear from the government is that if and when they disclose this, that there's going to be a great awakening in a way that I don't even think we can possibly conceive or perceive, I guess you can say. And I think that it's going to give, or it could potentially give people more power. or more insight or more something.

Right. Over like governments and elites. Yeah. It's going to be something that I think is not going to benefit governments, which is why I think that government has been hiding this for so long. And, you know, when you're starting to hear about things like CE5 and Dr. Stephen Greer, Chris Bloods, so all these people that interact with these things, whatever they are, these orbs, whatever.

Yeah. And sometimes these orbs interact with us. They come to us. But I think that if you have complete confirmation that, hey, these things exist, and especially if they ever went in a detail, right, that's going to be the big thing. And you've got to go back in government files and Air Force files and whatever. Think about things like, you know, even remote viewing and all this stuff that you never thought could ever possibly be true. But we know for sure remote viewing is true, which is where they can bring in people, kind of teach them how to look outside of themselves, go to another place and see something in another part. of the world just in their mind through some type of frequency or wave.

And I think that what we're going to start seeing is like if disclosure happens and if things are unveiled to where people start to experiment, more people start to experiment with this stuff. Well, you could say, well, this is, you know, this is going to be why the government doesn't want to release it because, you know, it's demonic. Well, and it's opening people's brains more than we use. I mean, we don't use 10%. Yeah, 10% of our brain. If that.

Yeah, we have so much brain power and we are not even able to use it. So what if this gave us capabilities to use more brain power to better understand what is going on? And then it makes us more awake than we already are. Yeah, which is a big problem for government because, you know, I do think that the government has so much control and they have so much power. And they not only just have power as far as military weapons and all that stuff, they have power over your mind. And I think we've seen it. We saw it during Biden and Harris. We saw what the Democrats and how they believed all this crazy bullshit, how they were

indoctrinated so easily. I call that mass formation psychosis. We saw it during COVID. We've seen it during a lot of things. A lot of things we thought were true and a mass amount of people went for. And yet later down the road, we found out, oh, that was all bullshit. And they also control your mind through real frequencies as well. That they can, absolutely.

And, you know, but I think now that you have. this era to where we have social media and we have paid influencers. We have algorithms. We have AI that is influencing all these people. And so even there's a large group of people that think they are always right. And, you know, if you voted for this person, then I'm just going to stick with this person no matter what they do. And we saw that on the left. We're now seen on the right. And so the interesting thing about it is is that if disclosure happens and if we actually, knew the reality and the full truth about what is actually going on with aliens and UFOs. And if people in a mass knew how to communicate or somehow, I guess, I guess you can say

communicate with these things. I think that's going to be a threat to the government. And it could be. And I think that, you know, maybe Eisenhower and our governments for a very long time has had a special relationship with these things so that they could control these things. and they would have a relationship to better control us. And so maybe they just don't want the secret out about, you know, you being able to communicate with these things.

You being able to fully know what they are. I agree. Why they exist and how they could even potentially help society. I mean, I know that sounds crazy. I know they push the narrative. They're all bad. They're all wrong. And then we even go back biblical.

These things could be angelic beings. They could be demonic. And it could be all the above. We don't know. but I want you guys to tell me your opinion, good RX, comment on, I will post this, I will post a post tonight right after we released this.

But tell us what you think. And in part two, make sure you're following us because sometimes when we do a part two on things, you guys don't see them for whatever reason. If we title them similar or if they're about the same topic or subject, you guys will not see them.

They will not be pushed to you. So make sure you are following us on whatever platform you listen to us on. But that's going to be, it for us on this part one. Until next time, guys, we love you very much. Peace out. Peace out.

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