Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - UFO UAP Conspiracy Podcasts - David Grusch Whistleblower Claims Breakdown

Episode Date: June 15, 2023

In this captivating episode, we delve into the intriguing UFO whistleblower account shared by David Grusch. According to his extraordinary claims, the United States Government may possess up to 12 extraterrestrial spacecraft, challenging our understanding of the world. Moreover, Grusch unveils astonishing revelations about a secretive coverup by the US Deep State, concealing the existence of life beyond our planet. Prepare to be amazed as we explore these mind-boggling revelations that could forever alter our perception of the world around us. All of this and more on this episode of UFO UAP Podcasts - David Grusch Whistleblower Claims Breakdown

Hello, you're a guilt trip, feeding me with all these lies, I feel sick. You're a bad choice that I made five years ago with some party in New York. Are you texting me to tell me that I'm shit? Why are you still going on about things I never did? Maybe you can't see that I'm hard to home. I know I'm a basket case you think should be alone. Hello, and welcome to Investigator, Earth Podcast. I am your host, Chad, alongside my beautiful non-alian wife.

I believe non-alian wife, Sherry. Say hello, Sherry. Hey, y'all. Yeah, I don't think I'm an alien, but who knows? Never know. Sometimes you act like alien. No, sometimes you act like an alien. But welcome to the show, guys.

Yes, absolutely. Welcome, guys. It is June 13, 2023 out here on the East Coast of United States in South Carolina. And, guys, it has been such great weather here. in the south usually by now it is 95 degrees 100% humidity so hot and man we have had the perfect start to summer even though it's not technically summer until june 22nd but it's been really good we've also been really busy but you know last week we bust out quite a few episodes for you guys and uh i believe our last episode though was about ufos and it was actually specifically about the camp

pendleton california UFO incident but there's been so much go on in the ufo community as of late with a new UFO whistleblower that has come out and made some huge accusations and what many people are calling this guy the most credible source that has ever come out from the United States government on the UFO whole situation and the United States' involvement in the UFO programs that they may be weaponized in some of this technology. And not just the United States, it seems as though that there are other countries doing very similar things as well. So we have a lot to talk about if you're not a UFO person

You should definitely listen to this one though Because yes, we have talked and speculated and gave her opinions And all this stuff on UFOs for five years Right many different episodes But this is a very concrete factual thing that we got to evaluate And see is it true and is it not And then we'll talk about all the kind of hooplau-law And lore around all this

Or the subject I guess of it And this whole subject is just crazy Because there are so many people that believe in UFOs and believe in aliens and always do. But now they're coming out where they're having official reports, not from, I don't think, the actual president in the United States, but there are reports coming out through different government agencies that are saying that this is real. And now it's so funny because a lot of people are like, oh, now that they're coming out

with it, this is fake. They're just telling you this so you're not looking at other things going on. It's like, damn. you do and damn if you don't you're exactly right i mean it's it's kind of one of those things um when we first heard and i don't want to compare the ufo thing necessarily to the russia ukraine war but we have to because uh when the russia ukraine war first started right it was you know in everybody's hearts and minds you automatically felt like okay here's the official story as of what we know right now you got russia invading ukraine and ukraine innocent people are dying

and they were sharing so many images of just Zelensky out there on their front lines. And then we started getting footage of fighter jets attacking and doing all this crazy stuff, which was actually video games. And there was literally so much propaganda at the beginning of the Russia and Ukraine war that then, and then when the mainstream media, the entire mainstream media started taking this story and running with it as if, you know, It's kind of one of those things that Joe Rogan's played. We've actually done it on this podcast before.

When you put together, I don't know, 100 or 200 or 300 news stations that are saying the exact same thing. Same wording, same everything. Yeah, exact same thing. And then, yeah, but you can put them their audio right next to each other. And they're saying the exact same thing. So a lot of people believe that that is propaganda. And we've not ever done an episode on Operation Monarch, which we will do and we've been wanting to do for a while. but it's basically when the government comes in, state controls the media.

And so their message and what they're pushing is one message. And it's pretty easy to see when that one message is what it is, because you can literally put 500,000 different news stations, audio clips next to each other. And it's exactly the same thing. Now, we saw it all the time during COVID. We then started seeing it during the Russia-Ukraine war. So this was something that people started to question the, I guess, start of the Russia-Ukraine war and why it started, who was at fault, all of these

different things. And it was because of the media, the same media, by the way, that pushed a COVID and pushed everything they pushed for three years during COVID. They started doing this with Russia-Ukraine. Now, now we're starting to hear the media get more vocal. We're starting to have these sit-down interviews, these things that, you know, 20 years ago, or 15 years, years ago, whatever the case was, although still not 100% trustworthy media, because they weren't, they were always trying to push a narrative. But now you have these sit down interviews with a media that the mass populace of people do not trust. I mean, so when they're watching this whistleblower, which is a highly credible source that sits down with a news agency like Newsmax, which has been a

huge news organization, even though, you know, my biggest discredit automatically for News Nation is they hired Andrew Cuomo. Our Chris Cuomo. Yeah, Chris Cuomo. So, like, that's automatic. Like, you are deducted 70 points out of 100. So, like, because we knew, we knew what Andrew Cuomo did during COVID. We knew what Chris has always done for so long, his brother.

And now you make him the face of NU. News Nation, right? So, you know. Where they're trying to be unbiased news, but when you bring the top CNN to unbiased news, it's hard to be unbiased. Yeah, News Nation is definitely not unbiased. So the one difference I see so far with this, and by the way, guys, we're going to break down the interview. We're going to talk about the interview.

I think the entire interview is 45 minutes, but we're not going to subject you to the entire 45 minutes in case you guys have heard it. But, you know, we're going to break it down in little segments, five, six-minute segments. We're going to talk about specifically what he says. And then we're going to discuss this kind of big debate. And it's kind of like a fracture right now in the UFO community because you have these people that are like, finally, UFO disclosure, this is what we've been asking for for so long. You have people like Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp and Stephen Greer and all these people have all their opinions. And a lot of these big people that have been pushing the disclosure for UFO.

foes for so long are actually coming out and and really going with the side of no, this is disclosure. This is not, this is not a false flag. This is not, you know, everything that the other side is saying that they're trying to distract you from something else. And we can't forget that George Knapp interviewed Bob Lazar, sorry. He's the one that broke the story. Yeah, he broke the story about Bob Lazar.

But back then, if you reported anything about UFOs or aliens, you were crazy. And they basically stripped Bob Lazar from any credentials that he had when he came out with the story. But he had to come out with the story because I think he was also even afraid of being murdered by the government by telling the secrets. And so he had this huge story to tell back then. And, you know, in my belief, I feel like the story was true and factual. but they stripped Bob Lazar of basically his life and his credentials. And in my opinion, they've been hiding this the whole time and they owe this dude a huge apology. Yeah.

And look, here's the thing. I mean, you have to look at it on both sides, right? As we talked about, there's two sides of this. I would say, actually, though, from the UFO community and even the people that don't trust the government or media, I would say there's still maybe only, you know, You know, with everything I've seen, I think there's about 30% of the population of what I just said of people that don't trust the media and are also been pushing for disclosure of UFOs. I think there's probably 30% of people that think this is a false flag, a distraction, maybe like a project blue beam. But it just seems like in the last year or two, they're coming out with making it more comfortable and more like easier to come out with things that are happening in the sky.

and you're not treated like a crazy person and get fired from reporting things that you're seeing. Yeah, there's been legislation to what Sherry's talking about as far as whistleblowers are able to come forward, especially military to where you're not stigmatized. It is not something that you're going to get in trouble for or get demoted for or even be discharged for. This was something that has always been a worry for many military officials and other high-ranking officials, you know, throughout the government is. you know, what can we say? What can we not say? And, you know, a lot of these, you have to think a lot of these people like Commander David Fravor are F-18 pilots, fighter jet pilots. And anytime you're a pilot for any aircraft, you've got to be very careful with what you say and how you say it, because the FAA controls your pilot's license. And that can be stripped for the least little thing. I mean, I'm talking about color blindness. I'm talking about if you, you're you have anxiety for certain things or if you have this, they will strip you for anything.

So much less coming forward and saying that you think you saw a UFO or all this stuff, then they might investigate and think you're crazy. So now this whole disclosure thing and the legislation that's come through and all this stuff is making it easier for whistleblowers to come forward. But then you also still have the side of, we have to understand that there are dark programs throughout the United States government, and it's not just the UFO thing. You think of DARPA, right?

DARPA, many people believe, was a lot behind, a lot of the COVID stuff, right? And we're not going to get into all that today, but there are secretive deep state programs that are running a lot of these things. Now, so many people think, why is the government not know this and this and this? But what you have to understand is,

the number one, one thing that the United States and its contractors want to do with UFOs, more so than anything, is weaponize them. Right. And most of the companies that even supply any of our weapons, period, I think almost all of the companies, and they're not government agencies, these are companies, these are contracted companies with scientists, with people that are trying to figure out how we can make the most deadly weapons from this and this and this.

These are contracted companies. You're talking about Raytheon. talking about, well, even Lockheed. I mean, there's so many different companies that they develop these warheads. They develop all these other things. And these companies would be what would be in charge of UFO programs to try to reverse engineer these crap and then somehow also weaponize them. This is what we've said so many times before.

If UFOs come down, it's like, yeah, you would think, oh, it's a peaceful interaction. And these are the things we're doing. But we have to understand how vile and how effed up our society is. And our government and the governments around the world only want to figure out how they can use and abuse you. Right. It doesn't matter where, what planet you're from. We're going to figure out your technology to use it against our adversaries in this world. And I just heard the other day that somebody said that we have at least 12 aircrafts from not this world in custody along with aliens too.

And they're using these things to reverse engineer. But this whole time has been a complete secret. And for some reason my brain was going. back way to the history. And I was talking to you that, about that earlier. I think it was somebody Wells in the, you remember? Yeah, Orson Wells. Orson Wells.

Yeah. I don't know why I'm thinking about history, but I'm just thinking about this. This is back when people only had radios and newspapers. And everyone would gather around, this is what my mom told me anyways. They'd gather around the radio and have the little radio show every day. The War of the Worlds. Yes. And everyone was so excited about to, you know, just to listen to the radio.

and they had the War of the Worlds where they pretty much told everyone on the radio that we were being invaded by aliens. It was the infamous War on the World's radio broadcast was a magnificent fluke is what they call it. It was Orson Wells

rehearses his radio depiction of H.G. Wells classic, The War of the World. So it was something they did over radio, which was all just, you know. But they basically were just, yeah, they were faking it. But then you think about, okay, though, they faked it now, so maybe

back then, so maybe that's kind of why people think they're faking it now to get your eyes off of what's really going on in the country and in the world. I don't know. No, you're right. And so we're going to talk about

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Okay. So for you guys that want to believe this, but you've just not really had any proof or you don't have anything that has ever been substantiated or someone from the government coming out and saying, hey, this is real. well, like I said, short of a actual UFO landing on the lawn in the White House being live recorded, this has to be it right now other than if you've maybe seen them in the past.

But for those who think the recent government UFO disclosures are one big sci-op, I don't know. A former intelligence official turned whistleblower has given Congress and intelligence community Inspector General extensive classified information about deeply covert programs that he says possessed retrieved intact and partially intact craft of non-human origin. So the whistleblower is 36-year-old David Grush.

He is a decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan who went on to work with a national geospatial intelligence agency or the NGA and a National Reconnaissance Office NRO, where he served as the latter's representative to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force from, 2019 to 2021. Then from late 2021 to 22, he was the NGA's co-lead for UAP analysis and its representative to the task force, which was established to investigate UFOs. Now, guys, I think where we have to go from here

is we got to let you hear the actual interview. I want you guys to check it out. I want you to hear what he has to say. This is the newsmax piece. This part is the longest part we're going to play you. It is 10 minutes, but we have to listen this, and then we're going to break this down, and then we're going to go forward. And then we're going to talk about, is this a sciop?

Is this a false flag? Is this real? And are we actually finally at full disclosure that there are other civilizations outside of our earth that are actually here? Because we can speculate all we want. We can talk about it and theorize and give our opinions and how much we want to believe. But this is the moment in our history. and what maybe some would say is the greatest time to be alive and also the worst time to be alive,

but there's so many things happening right now. So we have to look for these things. And if this is true, if this is true, this is huge. So I want you to listen to this is part one of the David Gresh interview with Newsmax. Let's listen. Exclusive television interview. Welcome. That's it.

Maybe start off telling me your name and who you are. My name is David Gresh. I came from a blue-collar family in Pittsburgh. I didn't have the money for college. Always admired people in uniform. And I've always wanted to be a part of something bigger than myself. You know, 18 years ago, I got an Air Force scholarship for physics. I originally commissioned on active duty in the Air Force.

I served 14 years in the Air Force. I look at this photograph, Dave, and I see a very proud officer. I was getting promoted to captain when I was. I was deployed. And you still love your country, don't you? Absolutely. A career intelligence officer, Grush, spent time on the ground in Afghanistan and other places he can't mention before rotating back to Washington.

I was an intel officer for the U.S. for 14 years. My last position, which I left in April of 2003, I co-led the UAP portfolio for the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency and some of the highest officials within the Department of defense and intelligence community used to call on me to advise them on some of the hardest target sets that the country had. You are one of the most trusted former intelligence officials in the U.S. defense and intelligence establishment. Yes, I was. You were trusted with the most intimate secrets. Yes. And he says the most earth-shattering of those secrets were revealed after 2019 when he was invited to join the UAP Task Force.

You had the security classifications to go anywhere and ask anyone anything. I had, based on my formal security clearance and multiple polygraphs, I had the ability to be read into any program that I needed. At one point in time, I was extremely highly cleared. What conclusion did you come to at the end of your time on the UAP? task force? The UAP task force will refuse access to a broad crash retrieval program. When you say crash retrieval, what do you mean? These are retrieving non-human origin technical vehicles, you know, call it spacecraft, if you will, non-human, exotic origin, vehicles that have either landed or crashed. We have spacecraft from another species.

We do, yeah. How many? Quite a number. You're kidding. No. I thought it was totally nuts, and I thought at first I was being deceived. It was a ruse. People started confiding in me. They approached me. I have plenty of current former senior intelligence officers that came to me, many of which I knew almost my whole career, that confided to me. They were a part of a program. They named the program. I've never heard of it. And they told me, based on their oral testimony, and they provided me documents and other proof. that there was, in fact, a program that the UAP Task Force was not read into. You are alleging that the U.S. government has been concealing the existence on this planet of alien life. I would couch it as non-human intelligence, you know, N.H.I, like we would like to say in our language. Why do you say that? Why do you say N.H.I? I don't want to necessarily denote origin. I don't think we have all the data to say, oh, they're coming from a certain, a certain location, and I couch it as somebody who studied physics where maybe they're coming

from a different physical dimension, as described in quantum mechanics. We know there's extra dimensions due to high energy particle collisions, et cetera, and there's a theoretical framework to explain that, yeah. Let me cut to the quick, though. You're saying there is an intelligent species engaging with this planet? Yes, that's potentially extraterrestrial, yeah. I speak for everybody sitting at home. That is a shock.

It was to me, and I had a lot of sleepless nights. Grush says he's never personally seen non-human intelligence, but he's spoken to enough people directly involved in what he calls the program that he's convinced it's real. I started out as a non-believer. I came to the problem as a hardcore physics guy, Intel officer, so I have a, you know, excuse my language, high-b-b-factor. I was very methodical.

interviewing people who didn't know each other, making sure this wasn't some kind of cover-up of some other program. He says he pressed to gain direct access to this program, and that's when his trouble started. Grush claims his investigation was stymied. His requests for access rebuffed. They shut the door in my face. They denied me access to these programs.

Soon after, he says, he endured reprisals and retaliation from above. He then reported that information to the... intelligence community inspector general. That's why he's filed this whistleblower complaint. He says that experience is why he decided to go public here and in a recent article written by Leslie Kane in the debrief. You're not being paid for this interview? No, I'm not. Why are you doing this? It's a sense of service, you know. Call me a Boy Scout or whatever. It just a, when I saw the kind of wrongdoing I did, I don't want to be 60, 70 years old. in the future and have that, you know, coulda shoulda, woulda kind of feeling where I could have made a

difference. I do not want to live a life of regret. You are saying to the human race for the first time an official intelligence representative at a high level from the U.S. government is saying publicly, we are not alone. We're definitely not alone. Absolutely the data points empirically that we're not alone, yeah. You've said that we have, the United States, has spacecraft, intact craft. We do. Do we have bodies?

Do we have species of... Well, naturally, when you recover something that's either landed or crashed, sometimes you encounter dead pilots. And believe it or not, as fantastical as that sounds, it's true. Have you seen spacecraft?

I've seen some interesting photos and I've read some very interesting reports. But he says the specific documents and photos that would prove his claims are still classified and he cannot disclose them here. Let's deal with the issue of your credibility. Why should we believe you? You're just somebody coming out of nowhere making claims that we really ultimately can't prove. Yeah. Well, we provided the proof internally to the Inspector General and the Hill staff.

We went into all the details. I mean, I have the credentials. I was an intelligence officer on the UAP task force. But let's face it, allegations of aliens and their spacecraft are hard to accept, even coming from a respected insider. Even if you call them NHI and UAP, how could such NHI travel to earth in the first place and go undetected by the general public. Grush says the craft may not be traveling through space as we understand it.

It is a well-established fact, at least mathematically, and based on empirical observation and analysis, that they're most likely are physical additional spatial dimensions. You can imagine on 4 and 5D space where what we experience is linear time ends up being a physical dimension in higher dimensional space where if you were living there, you could translate across what we perceive as a linear flow. So there is a possibility that, and this is a theory here,

I'm not saying this is 100% the case, but it could be that this is not necessarily extraterrestrial, and it's actually coming from a higher dimensional physical space that might be co-located. you know, right here. What can you tell me about these craft, these technologies? Why do you know it's exotic? Based on the very specific properties that I was briefed on,

isotopic ratios that would have to be engineered for it to be at those levels, but also just extremely strange, heavy atomic metal, you know, high up in the periodic table arrangements that we don't understand, you know, what the emergent properties are, but there's just a very strange mix of elements. So you're absolutely sure that the materials that these craft are made of are clearly not of this earth? Yeah, they're sophisticatedly engineered, certainly not by humans.

And while Grush says the US has gleaned some insight from these materials for military use, So much more could be done if academia and the private sector had access. It's totally nuts that humanity as a whole, especially, you know, the U.S. citizenry at a whole, they're not even benefiting from broad research on this to solve, you know, propulsion, energy issues, novel material science that can prove people's quality of life. It's just totally nuts how it's been protected and inhibition. its progress. If you're right, if you're telling us the truth, everyone, the entire American

public has been lied to for decades. Yeah, there's a sophisticated disinformation campaign targeting the U.S. populace, which is extremely unethical and immoral. So there is the first part of that. We got a lot to break down from this because it is. Yeah, he has a lot of interesting points. We've got to hit, though, each topic. No, we do. Sorry, I just want to make sure we got the second part. Okay, yeah, we do have the second part here. All right, so let's break down all this.

God, there's so much. And there's so much because of everything we talked about. So this guy comes out that is one of the probably most respected and well-credentialed intelligence officers in the U.S. government. There's ever come forward before. But now we are getting more and more and more. Right. And I believe he was on the same task force as Travis from Skinwalker Ranch. Well, yeah. Well, yeah, I think he was a part of Travis and also you think of Lou Alizondo A-Tip program. Right, right.

But the reality is that this is what we have to understand that David, this whistleblower here, he actually had a higher ranking intelligence classification than anyone on A-Tip. Lou Alizando, any of those. The only reason he was roped into this program, which was the ATIP and some of those other programs, was because of how high his credentials were and how much, like as he said, I have a pretty high bullshit factor, obviously, as one of the top leading intelligence officers in the world.

And he came into this, not really believing in any of this. Yeah. And guys, by the way, right now we're talking about just what he's saying, and then we'll get into some of the other, you know, counter theories of this. But let's just, you know, Lou Alizando, A-Tip, these people that are in these programs, even Commander David Fravor, F-18 pilot, which was with a squadron and encountered a craft like this that flew, you know, zero to who knows how fast, unearthly speeds, and where they encountered, we've talked about this many times, but there's something we talk about,

non-human intelligence. Now he didn't, you know, he's like, we're not trying to necessarily specify where these things are coming. Like, are they coming from this planet in our galaxy, the Milky Way galaxy, or are they coming from outside of our galaxy? Are these actual just strictly physical things of what we understand as physical? Meaning, and we have to understand this, meaning so much of what we don't understand as a human population is like, oh, how in the hell? We can even get to Mars. Right. Like, we've never been to Mars, and that's in our own freaking solar system.

Haven't been back to the moon, if we've ever been to moon, by the way, since forever. Probably actually never been to the moon, in my opinion, and we've had podcasts on that as well. But this is just in our own little speck, in our own galaxy, right? So the technology we have to actually travel throughout is very minimal. And so, but we're thinking of it in a different way. We're thinking of it as a physical travel, this physical, spatial thing. Right, going out in a spaceship and actually going out of, you know, Earth and flying that way.

This is not what he's talking about. It's not using, I don't think they're using spaceships with propulsion. Maybe not, yeah. To go, to come to Earth. They're using other things to get here. But here's the thing. So non-human intelligence. Now, non-human intelligence, N.H.I.

As he's talking about. And then he talks about the dimensions. Right. The aspect of this. Interdimensional. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean that these craft could potentially be human as well, maybe from our future. We've talked about that many times. But we don't know.

Right. We just don't know. Could it be our future? And when he's talking about that, he's almost talking about, you know, We look at time going forward and backwards. He's talking about time going right to left, like going parallel with each other. Which is still hard to understand. Even when you say that, it's hard to understand.

But N.H.I. Dimensions all of this stuff. He's, listen, I've actually heard other whistleblowers that I've come forward and talked, and I've heard other people that have been very close to government programs and people that they kind of got in with John Ratcliffe and some of these other, you know, officials within the government, one of them was Tom DeLong, with the Blink 182, with To the Stars Academy,

which some people believe that that might be a government sci-op program to begin with. But, you know, if it isn't, though, Tom DeLong did say, through so many of his communications with government officials

that a lot of what it seemed like that they believed, at least our government, five, ten years ago, that these things may be interdimensional. This could be an interdimensional slash and so you might be saying

okay so this is some kind of dimensional thing and you're thinking of dreams right or say DMT to where you can take DMT and go this other place or whatever it is then you're probably asking yourself well how are we retrieving craft from another dimension that is possible because you can also be physical

yes it's like an interdimensional thing becoming physical in what they're going physical manifestation or manifestation. Yes. They start interdimensional. It's kind of like you're looking at the bubble,

but then you go in the bubble and now you're physical. Yes, weird. You know, the other thing about David here as a whistleblower is he's risking a lot. He's not, you know, Jeremy Corbett, one of the things he said was he's not going to benefit from this. Actually, he's going to get more ridiculed and more BS from this. And there's already news articles coming out about the Pentagon coming out and trying to, to discredit him and saying all this stuff. They're trying to discredit him as much as they can. Although the Department of Defense did approve this interview with his questions based on what he was

going to say, and there's a lot he still cannot say. But he doesn't really have anything necessarily to gain from this. He actually, from what we understand, has quit his career and his profession in his agency to whistleblow to say, like, this is happening. This is more important in his mind And then his job was. Yeah, and he doesn't want to wait until he's 70 years old on his deathbed. Well, maybe 90 years old on his deathbed to tell the truth. He feels like it's very important for everyone to know the truth. And that's why he's not sitting on this like a lot of people done and are doing.

You know, Bob Lazar was not one that sat on it. But I also felt like he felt like his life was threatened if he did not come out with a story. Yeah, because he got caught. Yeah, much of what? Bob Lazar said then and has been saying since is being now vindicated, I guess. He's kind of being vindicated by even just this interview. And, you know, as far as how these things potentially behave, how they have propulsion, you know, what they come from, so on and so forth. And we've talked about this on many other podcasts about, you know, how he was talking about on the periodic table.

You know, these are elements that we don't see on earth, but these are elements that are from non-earthly places that we're trying to manufacture or replicate, but these type of materials are metallic, but they're almost like light as a feather. These type of materials. Some of them, yeah. And we don't have these on Earth. No. And I think that's why it's so hard for us to re or reverse engineer them.

Yeah. Well, and this is what David is saying here is, you know, we're seeing atomic metals, these very strange mix of elements that we've never seen. seen in the history of any kind of anything. And probably there's a lot of these elements that we don't even know what they are. I mean, he's not specifically saying that. Probably that part of it is classified. But, you know, Bob Lazar said this.

You know, Bob Lazard had one of these elements at his house when they got raided about the FBI. And he did get rated by the FBI, which I give, you know, Jeremy Corbell and his documentary team and kind of that whole thing. And George Knapp. But with the UFO flying saucers and whatever. George, or not George, but Jeremy Corbell's documentary was on Bob Lazar.

You know, they did a really good job of explaining all that, but But that kind of makes sense with these type of metals that we're talking about that are non-earthly. You know, these are not from our world, but they're almost like paper thin, light as a feather.

Well, some of them, but some of them are not. It doesn't matter necessarily, but you're right. Some of them are. Well, I'm talking about the ones that are. It kind of makes sense. You can't go through Like, I could not imagine how you would go through space. You know, the space shuttle, you think about the space shuttle. It has all this reinforced stuff on the outside that's so thick and it will. And it's all in a physical realm.

Yeah, it'll protect the space shuttle when it goes out of the atmosphere, all that stuff. These things are like something, you know, it reminds me of like an aluminum balloon that you can kind of almost crush up. But it's a metal. I don't foresee seeing crafts like that actually. going from wherever they're coming from, their galaxy to our galaxy, through space with that kind of metal.

That's where I feel like the interdimensional thing could be like a real possibility. Yeah, the best way I can compare this, when you're talking about rockets and how we kind of get into space, is you think about when internet first started. It was all hardwired.

It was dial-up connection. It was literally you had to transmit the signal through a little plastic cord that hooked in the back of your computer and went through another phone line to it, you know, to all this stuff. Yeah. And then you had to dial it up. It was a very manual thing. And it was like, you know, had all the weird sounds and stuff. But that's a very physical connection. Even though this still sending a signal is a very big technological advancement. But then you go from that to Wi-Fi now, to where how far Wi-Fi is, you're kind of looking at it as like,

here's a physical connection, which is what Dallup basically was, to a now somewhat kind of an interdimensional connection, which is Wi-Fi, because it is through the air. Right. It is sending signals through the air that we don't see. You know, and I've often talked about, like, the amount of cancers and everything that we are seeing now and all the radio waves that are constantly going through where we live and where we reside and where we eat and where we, all that stuff. Right.

I mean, we never had that. And if you think about it, like, if you go to X-array or get a CT scan, or even a microwave. It's dangerous because of the radio. frequencies that are and we that's known to cause cancer so there's probably no reason i mean there's you know i guess what i'm saying is it's not as surprising that we have cancer rates up especially with vaccines and everything else but then you have all these radio signals going through the air high powered radio signals um but anyways like the 5g towers yeah the 5g towers and all that all right guys so this is what we're going to so we're going to get into the second part of this

it's a shorter video but we're going to break this down as well um so right now what we're you're hearing is, yes, these but are not human. They are probably extraterrestrial, but they are, he really wants to emphasize non-human intelligence, but also he kind of emphasized here interdimensional. And I really do think that this is a huge part of this. And we don't quite understand it as much as we should, but this is a huge part of this UFO thing. And so if this is all real, I think bigger than a alien species coming from another planet that just gets so far advanced because there are millions of years more advanced than we are. I think this is bigger than that. Yeah, I do too.

I mean, which is crazy. And that's why when you think about crafts that people have seen that are out of the normal of what we see in our skies, they're so different. Some see spherical. Some see like triangles. Some even see cube shape crafts. They're all different. They're not all the same. So to me, I feel like these crafts are not coming from the same places.

No. But they could all be interdimensional and crossing over through our bubble into our bubble, I guess. Yeah. And two, we're going to talk a little bit about the spiritual side of this in a little bit as well. But anyways, let's get to part two here. 83 was the first recovery in Europe in Magenta, Italy. They recovered partially intact VEA. It's long been known that the regime of dictator Benito Mussolini documented numerous UAP during this time.

This internal memo from the Italian Secret Services includes crude drawings of the UAPs. It's true, it's real. Yeah, that actually happened. Italian government moved it to a secure airbase in Italy for the rest of kind of the fascist regime until 1944, 1914. and, you know, the Popeyes, the 12th back-channeled that. So the Vatican was involved? Yeah, and told the Americans what the Italians had, and we ended up scooping it. So let me be very clear about this.

You're saying that the Catholic Church, the Vatican, they know about the existence of non-human intelligence on this planet. Certainly. Grush says shortly after the dawn of the atomic age, another major crash recovery took place. You've probably heard of it. What can you tell me about the Roswell craft? Fortunately, those details were not approved for me to talk about right now.

This much we know. In 1947, an object crashed in the New Mexico desert near the town of Roswell. The Air Force recovered material described as metallic and rubbery, though the government changed its story as to what it was, calling it a flying disc at first, then a weather. or spy balloon. It just read ridiculous to me that the U.S. Air Force had changed its story. Yeah, and they added additional elements over time

and tried to conflate additional programs to explain some of the events. Why are these things crashing? Yeah, you know, some are landed, some are crashed. And I think that's an interesting discussion that's come up, you know, as advanced as, you know, we are, you know, as humans, right? You know, planes crash, cars crash. just because you're some advanced sentience that has advanced technology doesn't mean some small percentage of your, I'll use the Air Force term like sorties, you know,

meet an unfortunate operational conclusion, as we might want to say. Most people would tell you the Roswell incident has been thoroughly debunked. In fact, the Air Force published this report in 1994 to put the issue to rest once and for all. Grush has read it. That analysis they did was a total hack job. And even anybody with analytical skills, if you read it, you can deduce that they're conflating multiple situations with crass test dummies and then mogul balloons.

And they're just saying that the townsfolk, who personally witnessed it, were totally imagining things. They concocted that whole report just to disinformed. So the reason for the secrecy exactly is what? feudalistic dominance who can have both asymmetric technology for, it seems like, just fueling the war machine. Grush says that through the 50s and 60s, encounters with the NHI continued, as did the cover-up. One incident in 1967, about which multiple Air Force veterans have gone public, involved

UAPs tampering with the nuclear missiles at Malmstrom Air Base in Wurham. Montana. They saw a craft, appearing to be intelligently controlled, hovered over a nuclear weapon silo, and shut down 10 nuclear ICBM missiles. It certainly looks like they want to understand how far we've advanced in our nuclear fizzle kind of technologies at the very least. I mean, it looks like preparatory probing activity. It might be an innocent kind of scientific gathering, could be ISR probing. Meanwhile, Grush says the crash retrieval program continued. And while he won't reveal where the downed craft are stored, he does say that the people working with the technology have been putting themselves at risk. You know, a lot of them, you know, were injured looking at some

of this stuff. You can imagine the nuclear, radiological, biological risk to looking at an unknown, unknown, and a lot of them have literally suffered physically because of their service. But as we know, anyone who's come forward claiming non-human intelligence is behind these incidents has been dismissed as delusional or deliberately deceitful. If you're right, if you're telling us the truth, everyone, the entire American public has been lied to for decades. Yeah, there's a sophisticated disinformation campaign targeting the U.S. populace, which is extremely unethical and immoral. Coming up. There's a hundred point out to the West.

New evidence and perhaps new attitudes in a new age of UAPs. The American people need and deserve to know more. Has the U.S. government changed its tune? All right. So there's part two of David's interview here. with News Nation. So let's talk about this. Future dominance, that's number one, right?

Why would they be hiding the UFO thing, right? Right, right. We've heard about this for so many years. Right. And we feel like it could be because we don't want foreign adversaries to know what we have or what we're in control of. It's a weapons race. It really is. But, you know, he pretty much said that the Roswell incident was fake. What?

No, no, no, he did not. No, absolutely not. No, he said they were lying to the people about the report. Yeah, about the report. Because I'm like, I don't think so. No, no, no, they said, no, so the reporter said. They fake the people. Yeah, I got you. No, the reporter said they came out with the official. No, the big debunking. No, they came out with a report many years later on the official debunking of the Roswell thing. And as David says here, if you just read it with any analytical mind, that you would see right through their bullshit. I mean, they were saying that these were crash test dummies and all this BS. And these were witnesses around the Roswell incident that said, this is what we saw, including not just citizens, but these were, you know, as we talked about in a Roswell episode, these were firemen. These were sheriffs. These were police officers that happened to get there around the same time or close to. and sometimes before the actual military got on scene. Many of the firefighters or some of the firefighters

and some of the law enforcement guys that were there saw these actual alien beings that were trying to come out of the craft. One of them was walking away in this particular incident and got shot by a military member with an assault rifle. By the way, guys, I encourage you guys to go read or listen to the day after Roswell. is an amazing book. It depicts the journey of a, I think it was a colonel in the military. That's, you know, basically his entire career was kind of enveloped with the Roswell incident.

But he comes out and pretty much tells you and lays it on the line of what happened. Yes, absolutely. But let's face it, if this really didn't happen, let's just say, but it did, that's how Airy 151 came about. Area 51? Yeah. Area 151. Is that way to say? I said area 51.

Oh, okay. Sorry. I thought I said area 151. No, I said area 51 came about because of Roswell. Yes. We wouldn't have an area 51, I'm saying, if it didn't happen. So it really happened. Yes.

And there are many, many military bases in the United States now, which I can almost guarantee you the area 51 and places like that, do not house these craft. I'm sure they are somewhere underground. There are some other place that we just don't know. about it anymore. Yeah, but I'm saying in the beginning, they were housed there. Yeah, I'm sure. And I think some of them were actually shipped to Texas or something somewhere.

Well, no, they were being shipped. The day after Roswell talks about it in our Roswell podcast, it talks about as they're being shipped from the crash side of Roswell. And it went through, I believe it was Oklahoma bases where he was at. And then they housed them there until they could take them on to the East Coast, which is where they went to, I can't remember the military base now. But anyways, it was all a thing. It was all a big huge cover-up. And even this guy, the new whistleblower now is saying, look, if you just actually read the official report,

the debunking report, they wanted to try to tell the citizens of what this thing really was about, it's all BS. And you can look right through it. Now, future dominants, I believe, is why they're hiding it, right? I mean, we have such small minds in this world nowadays. We want to dominate our adversaries. And we're doing it in our politics here in our own country in the United States. And guys, if you're in Canada or UK or Australia, they're doing it there as well.

Two-party systems or any party systems is always trying to divide you from the other people. And that's the only way they can really succeed as a party or as a person or as a figure. And this has always kind of been the case. They've always done this with the UFO thing. They're still doing this. They're always going to do this. But future dominance, we always have to be fighting someone. Look at Russia, Ukraine.

You know, I was watching a video the other day, and it's like, no matter what side you're on with the Russia and Ukraine thing, right? I mean, it doesn't matter. For people that say, you know, look, Russia is this, or people that say, you know, Ukraine's just defending. And there's a lot of craziness with Zelensky and the amount of money that U.S. taxpayers are spending on Ukraine and how much money he has laundered basically through all that money, taxed 400 plus million. Regardless. You have videos that. you can watch on Twitter or whatever where it shows the actual battle of

Ukraine. I mean, and there are Russian soldiers hiding underneath of tanks and Ukrainian people. You can see both sides. But to where there are brigades that come in, shoot them right in a face, they throw grenades underneath them, blow them up. And these are all

being just sensationalized on social media now. It's like, and especially if it's Russian soldiers, right? If it's Russian soldiers, they want you to feel good about just destroying and YouTube does this. YouTube and social media platforms, they allow

basically, like if a Ukrainian guy throws a grenade in someone's face and it blows their head off, it's like that's okay almost nowadays, but you're not allowed to have a political standpoint on whether you're a pro-American, pro-Trump, pro-this,

but look, if it's a Russian soldier, if it's what we want you to really feel and believe, we're going to make sure that you see it and it's okay. And so what you're saying is more propaganda stuff going on. But during this war is also been said that there has been a total increase in UFOs. Yeah, UFO science for sure.

In that area, in that area in particular. And that makes me wonder, why are they in that area in particular? That just, you know, it goes into all the other podcasts we've talked about. You know, it seems like non-human aircrafts are around places that are, kind of dangerous. Nuclear weapon plants. You have to understand that Russia, Ukraine, and that whole epicenter

is the biggest threat to nuclear annihilation in this world right now. Exactly. So that's why I feel like there's more frequency in that area, but they don't really talk about that in the media. No, of course they don't. They don't whatsoever. But then you get to think about,

as he said, that there are injured people that have been working around this, and there's been many injured people that have worked around this program, around these UFOs, for many years. And he's specifically talked about radiation. And this is a thing that he talks about radiation. So what you have to think about in radiation terms, right? Everyone wants to say, well, if you're around UFOs.

Now, this is something Tucker Carlson talked about on the Nuck Boys podcast, which we had talked about before on another episode, to where he said that he had these guys, this massive Stanford University brain specialist surgeon dude that was brought in to this United States military thing to where there were over a hundred, I believe Tucker said there was over 100 military men or women that were killed by close encounters with UFOs

based on traumatic brain experiences or high radiation levels. And then there were a countless number of people that were injured for life or had, you know, long-term disability based on their encounters with some of these craft. And most of this is all based on radiation. This doctor was brought in because the United States government did not want to pay or support the families of these people that were injured in these instances because of whatever the case was. And so this doctor was brought in, which was the leading brain specialist in the world of Stanford University. he holds patents on so many different things in the brain and trauma and neuro thing.

And he came in and said, this is extreme radiation toxicity. But it's also almost like a penetratable to where it just zaps your mind. I mean, and this is what... And you feel it all the sudden. No, no, you don't feel shit. I don't think a lot of these people, you're just gone. I mean, and it's... What I'm saying is these soldiers died or went brain dead almost instantly.

Right. Some of them, I'm talking about the people that have long-term effects. You know, they have severe headaches and migraine headaches after the experience. Or they have, yeah, or they have balance issues or they have things that appear as almost, you know, think of many neurological issues, MS or whatever the case is. And we've talked about that in previous podcast, too, and that goes back to the way these aircrafts work. Yeah. You know, they work against a gravity field. They don't have like our.

spaceships, they don't have this big combustion engine. They don't use that. No, they don't. They use gravity and radiation to transport. Well, I still go back, yeah, you're right. I still go back to, you've got to think about radio waves, right, and radio tomography and radio frequencies and how we get Wi-Fi and how we get even scanning as far as CT scans and X- arrays and so many of these other things. And I mean, I know this is cliche sounding, but if you watch like Ghost Hunters or any of those shows where they're always trying to find radiation or a Geiger counter, they have a Geiger counter trying to measure radiation in a particular area. Or they will use some type of radio device to measure a radio frequency signal in a certain range. A Skinwalker Ranch does this. These are all frequency-based things that are trying to measure something to try to show something outside of our.

physical viewing capabilities, right? And so if I have to say like how these potential interdimensional things could be transmitting almost through space and time and also non-physical and physical, it's got to be some type of frequency-based thing. And we know that magnetic poles and all this stuff. And you also got to think about the higher you go in our atmosphere, the more radiation you get, which is why pilots have a higher chance of cancer, especially the long-haul pilots that are in the air

at the most highest altitudes for long periods of time. You have an extreme radiation level that separates basically us from space. There are all these things that are based on radiation. Right. There's a ton of factors. There are a ton of factors, but I really feel like most of these crafts that we do see, or people see on Earth that are non-human are being operating.

by radio waves, friction against gravity or radiation. The radiation is coming out from the friction. I don't know, but it has to do with all that. Yeah. Now, this next part of the interview, they talk a little bit about the Pentagon acknowledges the existence of UAPs. They're talking about the Commander David Fravor incident. I believe the other incident off the coast of the east coast of the United States.

and I believe they ask him about this. So let's hear what he has to say about this. And guys, I'm trying to play these videos, but man, I swear to go. I freaking hate iPhone. I literally hate Apple. Until they come out with that new Vision Pro. I got to have that.

All right, here you go. ...captured by naval aviators on military-grade cameras that defied all prosaic explanation. Dave Grush has investigated this one, shot in 2015 off the East Coast by fighter pilots from the USS Theodore Roosevelt. There is an industry of debunkers, aren't there on the web, who say, oh, they've got this

all wrong, it's a jet exhaust at a distance, and the aircraft's turning. Give me an answer on. I had some optical engineering experts look at that, and the Raytheon-A-T-Flear system based in the pixel saturation and apparent size. It's certainly something that's not a jet. It might be some kind of natural phenomenon. that's quite strange, but it's not as simple as a jet. He has even stronger opinions about this UAP,

now known to history as the TICTAC, shot in 2004 in the Pacific by aviators off the USS Nimitz. And the Tic Tac? Truly anomalous, absolutely technical vehicle, physical, and that's absolutely something that we did make. Not of this world. Most likely, yeah. The videos were laid.

leaked in 2017, then officially released by the Pentagon in 2020. At the time, it seemed the Pentagon may have finally abandoned its obsession with secrecy and decided to do what other countries have been doing for decades, establish a properly funded, publicly accountable team to investigate reports of UAP. Dave Grush was part of that team. This is a hunt mission for what might somebody be doing, in our backyard that we don't know about. The task force set about investigating these incidents,

including more recent events like the odd encounters that took place during naval exercises in 2019 off the coast of San Diego. This video shot on the USS Omaha and later leaked to documentarian Jeremy Corbell has received particular attention. It either zooms off so fast you can't see it or it sinks into the ocean,

but it seems to drop. What do you know about it? It was truly anomalous. But Grush says the promised new age of government transparency is a fallacy. For starters, he says the videos that have been released are just the tip of the iceberg. There are many videos that are totally fair to release through a declassification process. And I find it very concerning from a transparency perspective that all that the department is declassified were those three famous videos. There are more concerning videos that left me with a lot of questions, yeah.

He says there are credible witnesses who could testify to Congress about spacecraft, big spacecraft. A lot of them were very large, very large, yeah. Like a football field kind of size. And I remember interviewing these personnel, I'm like, either these people are lying to me, they're having a psychotic break, or this is some... crazy but true stuff that's happening, and I have no good explanation that's prosaic at all for this, because this is not explainable by, you know, swamp gas,

St. Homo's, fire, ball lightning, etc., etc. I mean, this is like tangible technical craft they're seeing up close and personal in some cases when I interview people. And at the center of it all, the crash retrieval program, the government has never publicly acknowledged. A program, Grush says, that's included at least one prime.

private aerospace company that is storing alien craft. Is that true? That is how a lot of these relationships are. While I don't want to name the specific companies and government elements, but overall, you know, the government has been the custodian of a lot of this, right? And they'll hand-received out to a clear defense contractor to do some analysis, which I find highly unethical. you have basically a sole source arrangement

and you allow certain private corporate elements to look at this, develop a potential insight and then sell it back to the government for profit and I think that's totally unethical. The problem you've got is to have been categorical denials from high-level officials in the US government, even presidents, that what you're saying is true. Unfortunately, some elected officials were not brought in.

Only a few weeks ago, 19th of April, the head of the Pentagon's UAP investigations program, Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, told Congress, Arrow, that's the Pentagon's UFO investigation body, has found no credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity, off-world technology, or objects that defy the known laws of physics. While a large number of cases in our holdings remain technical, unresolved. This is primarily due to a lack of data associated with those cases. Was that a lie? Well, I know Dr. Sean Carpatrick. I've known him for about eight years,

and I expressed some concerns to Dr. Capatrick about a year ago and told him when I was starting to uncover. And he didn't follow up with me. And he has my phone number. He could have called me. I hope he ultimately does the right thing. He should be able to make the same investigative discoveries I did. It's totally crazy if he doesn't. So the implication here is that the head of the very body that Congress has

ordered to tell the American public the truth about UAPs is possibly misleading the American public. Do you think the American public is being lied to? Well, they've been lied to over the years and I'm

hoping that the lie stop. Coming up, it gets even scarier. The UFO whistleblower says the NHIs aren't all friendly. Have human beings being hurt or killed by a non-human intelligence? And guess who they might be working with? We're in a competition with their adversaries to understand this and it's a it's a multi-decade cold war that has been under our nose for so long. So yeah, I mean, it's nuts. Is it nuts?

Or is it not nuts? It is pretty nuts. And I just think about, though, too, we got to remember, we got to remember back in history. And I'm not talking about just the United States. I'm talking about all over the world. When we had all these picographs, whatever, they're called, picture graphs in these mountains, you know, way back when, when people weren't even. civilized, darn it, I can't talk right now,

they were showing pictures of UFOs way back then. Yeah. They've been here for a long, long time. Yeah, they definitely have. One thing to David Gersh said there was, you know, outside of the Tick-Tac video, the Commander David Fraver video, which is basically a Tick-Tac video,

and then they went off the East Coast. And all the other videos you've seen, you know, he has seen more concerning videos, many more concerned videos. Right. And we've not seen them. He's seen very large craft. I mean, you know, a lot of what has been talked about, you know, in mainstream media is these capsule, these tic-tacks, these smaller craft.

But, you know, the reality of what he's saying is he saw very large craft. These things are over a football field long. Right. that we can't even figure out whether it is or isn't. I mean, this is, you know, guys, if we can't even figure out what is in our own solar system, you know, physically, we can't go there, investigate it, check it out. Okay, here's what it is.

Is this non-human? Is this an actual extraterrestrial advanced, you know, craft or not? We just, we can't. We're not that advanced. And that's what's crazy. Defense contractors are basically, housing these craft, he said. And this is what we talked about earlier. I mean, you have these defense contractors like Raytheon or whoever, right? It could be Boeing. It could be, you name it. You name any of

the companies that make weapons systems for the United States government, which they, is the military industrial complex to where they make these weapons systems. They sell it to the government for billions and trillions of dollars. It is far more of a money scandal. than COVID, even though COVID, don't get me wrong, if you are a pharmaceutical company like Pfizer and Moderna during COVID, you were banking. You finally got your day in the sun. Billions and billions of dollars. Trillions. But you got your day in the sun outside of the military industrial complex. Now, we didn't really, I think for the first time in a very long time, we saw that how corporate entities and elites and these massive conglomerate companies,

become trillion-dollar companies. Overnight. Yeah, and just based on our government, how they sell them the solution, because our government is clueless. They are all about putting money in their pockets, which is why all these elected officials, which have a salary, but then come out of the office multi-millionaires, they're all pocketed money from these elite companies. It's no different than with the military industrial complex, but the difference is

the military industrial complex has been gone for a very long. time. The pharmaceutical industry has been going for a very long time, which is, in my opinion, why we have the vaccines that we have today, the amount of vaccines we have today, which is why we don't have a cure for cancer. We have all of these diseases, which we don't have cures for, but we have solutions for to keep them alive long enough to where you make as much money per patient as possible. And yet, you know, and yet when David Gersh says, Yeah, they've been lying to the public. I mean, dude, come on.

Is that really a surprise? But a lot of people don't understand that or don't believe that either. I don't know how they don't, though. I don't know. Like, how are people so ignorant nowadays to realize that, like, I mean, we're talking about UFOs. We're not even talking about, like, is there a cure for cancer? Because there definitely is. They just don't want to ever give that out.

Because if you give a one and all cure, it's a one and done. You're done. You don't have any money off that. You want to create a long, last. system that makes you money month after month after month after month. If I create this cure for all marketing needs for everyone so that no one has to ever worry about a sustainability factor of you need in someone for marketing, well, then you're not going to have no marketing professionals left and you're not going to have anyone. You know what I'm saying? So if you have a one-all cure

for one thing is you're you're you're one and done right you're once you get paid you're done that's it move on and that's not good enough for them no they need a lot of money they want a lot of money yeah because the amount of money they would have to charge to cure one patient forever right to where cancer is non-existent number one there's no insurance company and there's no person that's able to afford it based on the difference of prolonging life as long as possible but then also collecting all this money the course of years until they die, and then you put this on a mass population. They're making shit tons of money.

So now you think about the military industrial complex. Think about all the wars and all the weapons systems and just think about the Russia-Ukraine war and how much money, billions and billions and billions of dollars are going over there. And you know who is benefiting is a lot of the same companies that are probably in control of these UFO craft that are trying to weaponize these Raytheons,

these, these, um, I don't know why I keep saying those are only two, but there's many more. These are the companies that are benefiting off this. So, you know, you don't want to cure something right away. And, you know, Raytheon's the same way. You want future dominance. You want control. You want to make sure that whatever craft you have in your possession, you want to be able to sell that back to the government, the technology, which is what they want to do, which is why David says, this is unethical because they're basically selling it back to the government. They're saying, hey, you have the technology to be able to figure out what this is. You can bring in your people, but they just want to sell off whatever they can technology-wise.

And of course, this is some highly crazy classified system just like everything else is. I mean, it's just like every damn thing else. This is no different guys than COVID. I think they actually screwed up with COVID into pandemic because they exposed so much of how dirty they are. during the pandemic. And yes, I do believe the pandemic was bullshit. And I think it was, I think it was a plan. I think they, it was a huge, a huge money-making thing. And, um, and I think they exposed a little bit too much. Now, they sell these things to profit. Now, the Pentagon, as he was saying, says that there is no proof of extraterrestrial beings or anything we've seen so far. And as David says,

I reach out to that doctor because I know her very well. And I said, look, come on, dude. I mean, I mean, like, we know, you and I both know that's bullshit. And of course, they never got back and reached back to David because they know. Yeah, because he knows the truth. They're just there in front of the public to tell the public, oh, this is not true. This is blah, blah, blah. But meanwhile, they're coming out with little things to make us like, oh, okay, the government is now saying that there are alien ships coming to Earth in some fashion or another. so they're coming out little by little.

Yeah. So there's got to be a reason for that that they're doing this now. Yeah, for sure. All right, guys, this is the next part. We got to play this for you guys. We want you guys to hear this, and we're going to break this down.

And then probably after this one, we're going to just kind of talk about what are all the possibilities of this. And we want your feedback as well. We want to know what you guys believe. But here is probably the last part of what we're going to play. Here you go.

In the movies, the aliens are often portrayed as peaceful, even cuddling. It would be nice if that were true, but Mr. Grush says it's not. The common interpretation from some commentators is that there is a non-human species, and it's incredibly benevolently well-disposed to the human race. Yeah, and I think that is a – the logical fallacy there is because they're advanced their kind. We'll never really understand full intent in that because we're not them, whatever them is or are. But I think what appears to be malevolent activity has happened. Based on not only nuclear site probing activities, witness testimony, I think at least if we look at it through a humanistic lens, it does appear negative, at least to us.

I've been told that there have been attempts to bring down craft that we've acted offensively against non-human craft. There have been instances and there are certain techniques. Have human beings being hurt or killed by a non-human intelligence? While I can't get into the specifics because that would reveal certain U.S. classified operations, I was briefed by a few individuals on the program that there were malevolent events like that. Now I'm scared.

People have just heard you say non-humans may will have murdered human beings. That seems to be the case at one point, yeah. And there's more. Grush says the United States is not the only country that's encountered NHI and their tech. He says our geopolitical rivals have their own crash retrieval programs, which they are also secretly exploiting for military purposes. We're in a competition with their adversaries to understand this, and it's a multi-decade Cold War that has been under our nose for so long.

And, you know, there is no good way to level the playing field and hold other nation states accountable if they're doing unethical or illicit activity, as it relates to this subject. And I think the obtuse secrecy is actually putting us in a very dangerous position where a country might make a breakthrough. Let's say we, it's an adversary of ours. And it is so destabilizing. You say there's been a cold war behind the scenes with Russia and China. There has been a cold war against our, with our peer adversaries, yeah. Why hasn't Russia or China come out and spoken publicly about this? I think they're in a similar pickle as us, where they understand maybe some of the socioeconomic destabilization factors in their own society.

But if this non-human intelligence is so advanced, and at least some of them are malevolent, why haven't they destroyed us already? Perhaps some fragile yet combustible detente has been reached. Grush has written an internal document about, his discoveries that refers to agreements that risk putting our future in jeopardy. And it's quite clear that you're talking about agreements between America and non-human intelligences. Have we made agreements with non-human intelligences?

That's the kind of information I really hope national leadership is able to get to the bottom of. I need to pin you down on this. Are there agreements between non-human intelligences and the American government? I think that's a question that I would like to know all the details of as well. We do know of at least one agreement among humans that's worth noting. This 1971 agreement between the US and the USSR on measures to reduce the risk of nuclear war. Whether or not you believe Dave Grush, this document proves the two superpowers were aware.

that UAP existed, whatever they were. If you look at Article 3 of that treaty, it talks about unidentified objects near nuclear facilities are interfering with communications. And that is a treaty that has been used, from what I understand, to notify each other if there's a concerning event. And that's a way of saying to the Russians, hey, don't shoot it as, it's not us. Yeah, I mean, that's certainly a concern because of the secrecy. there is an environment where you could have almost like a false flag,

where true non-prosate UAP situation could be contrived as, you know, a provocation of something from a nation state, and we want to de-escalate that. If this is true, if the stakes are so high, if the fate of the human race is at stake, perhaps it's no surprise to hear Grush say the U.S. government will do anything to keep these secrets safe. Can I put it to you that crimes must have been committed? At the very least, I saw a substantial evidence

that white-collar crime was committed. Have people been killed to protect this secret? Based on the people I talked to, that was an ongoing concern. Yeah, unfortunately, I've heard some really un-American things I don't want to repeat right now. So you have a strong suspicion that people have been murdered to protect.

Over the years. Yeah. Coming up, a reality check. Is it possible that you're deluding yourself? It's time to put our whistleblower's credibility to the test. Everybody watching this right now is looking at your face. They're going, is this guy for real? All right.

So there was Dave talking again about even a potential agreement between UFOs and governments around the world. And, I mean, we've heard about this before, guys. We've heard about other past presidents in history that potential. had actual agreements with alien life forms or with extraterrestrials. Project Blue Book and some of these other programs actually kind of depicted and outlined this in the past. I believe it was Eisenhower, which was one of them, which was one of the guys that was very interested in UFOs. And I believe he is the one that potentially, although it's always been known to be a conspiracy theory, that somehow met with the life form or this alien

civilization or whatever and came up with some agreement. But besides the fact that this whistleblower, David Grush, a very high-ranking official in the United States government or was, is not only saying that there was an agreement between UFOs and governments, but also that there was a treaty that was between nations around the world that would notify each other in the event that things got out of hand or something that was something that happened that was a concerning event that could have been UFOs to where Russia or the United States say that their missile silo activated, their nuclear systems. We've heard this before. UFOs not only do they and can they deactivate nuclear silos, but they can also activate nuclear systems, which is very concerning.

And I think a lot of this is that they want to show that, look, we can do this if we want to. One of the things David's already said earlier on was, you know, a lot of what we're seeing with the UFO, UAP, just the whole thing is much of what he has seen is not friendly, right? I mean, this is not something that he sees as like the cute little great alien that's walking around and wants to be friends with you, like the movie Paul. For those of you have seen Paul, he's his little alien that smokes cigarettes and hangs out by a campfire. But I don't necessarily think that these life forms are friendly. I'm not saying all are not friendly, and I think we had talked about that too, but. We just don't know. Now, there is some parts of this that I do want to mention because we have to. And I said that we were going to talk about it. Many of you actually send us emails or comments or whatever. And you, because of this, we're going to bring this up. But a lot of you mentioned the Bible or you mention, you know, these are not advanced civilizations from another planet rather than they are demons or whatever the case is. And we're going to dig a little bit into that. But something else, David said that kind of,

was, you know, not surprising was that people have been murdered to keep this secret over the years. And, you know, guys, if you look back, I mean, just in the United States government, if you look back at the involvement, potential involvement of the United States government in JFK's murder, Martin Luther King, many people still have questions about 9-11, Oklahoma City bombing. You look at Waco, you look at so many different things, Operation Northwoods, where we were going to basically kill our own citizens, and then blame it on Cuba in order for us to then invade Cuba, you know, we often look, you know, around the world and look at these other third world

countries and say how barbaric they are, how awful their governments are. We've always been as citizens of the United States, and I'm sure many of you in the UK or Canada or Australia, or some of these developed countries, you've probably done the same thing. You've looked around and said, you know, how could anyone live there? And I feel so sorry for people like that. But we also have to understand that many of our governments, and especially the United States has been doing this under our nose for a very long time. And so when he said that people have been murdered to keep this secret, it actually was not a surprise to me. It definitely is not because like you said, there are so many suspicious things going on when there's suspicious deaths.

For example, Epstein in his cell. Oh, absolutely. I don't know if he's even dead. Or if he is dead, how did he kill himself when he had guards watching him 24-7? It's just very suspicious things that are happening when things get. out or when powerful people don't want those things to get out. Yeah. And unfortunately, for all of us, citizens, is that most people that make it into power are

the most corrupt and the most evil people there are on this planet. And I mean, that's just the way it is. Many of these people sell their souls to maybe the devil, whoever you want to sell them to, but they definitely sell out. They sell their souls. And, you know, we actually have some podcasts coming up. We're going to talk about Biden's corruption. We're going to talk about some of that.

We're also going to talk about the Trump indictment. So you'll hear a little bit about that as well. But I do want to mention before we wrap this up, because many of you have asked this on many episodes. I mean, and I know we have a lot of people that read the Bible or Christians or whatever religion you are. Some people ask the question, and we've mentioned this and brought this up before, are UFOs and aliens mentioned in the Bible? And so although the Bible specifically doesn't necessarily talk about alien life forms from other plants. planets outside of Earth. It doesn't really say that, but let's start with getting on the same page about what we're

talking about when we're talking about aliens. Now, a true definition of an alien is anything that belongs to a foreign territory. So someone who is not a citizen of a country they reside would actually be considered an alien, right? In the plant and animal world, alien species to a religion are often called invasive species, right? or to our region, sorry, not a religion, to a region. So we're talking about aliens to Earth, an alien could refer to any being that is not from Earth.

Okay, so spiritual beings, like angels and demons. The interact with our world could be included in that group. And so many parts of the Bible clearly indicate that these beings do exist, right? So if you want to call angels and demons aliens because they are foreign to Earth, then sure, there are aliens in the Bible, right? It's how the Bible talks about this. Now, the Bible teaches a lot about life on other, or sorry, it doesn't teach a lot about life on other planets, but our work and definition of aliens will not include angels and demons,

because we're going to talk about this specifically as far as not what the Bible necessarily refers to as angels or demons, but since they are technically spiritual beings and not organisms. So the work in definition we're going to talk about of alien is any extraterrestrial life form foreign to Earth. So starting there, the Bible doesn't have anything to say about them. But the potential for organisms to exist somewhere else in the universe, besides planet Earth, the Bible doesn't definitely say anything about that either. Now, what we can be confident in is that in the Bible it does talk about God created the heavens and the earth. He created the entire universe.

Our planet Earth, and then according to the Christian Bible, Jesus Christ, came to save sinful humanity. Now, are aliens demons? Well, given the definition of aliens, refers to any foreign being, there is room for the term being used to describe a demonic being. But in the Bible, demonic beings are spiritual beings. They are part of the spiritual realm, not another planet necessarily. The spiritual realm does interact with the world throughout the Bible in some way, shape, or form. Now, for example, Ephesians 612 talks about an enemy that is not flesh and blood, but that includes rulers, authorities, powers, and forces, evil in the heavenly realms.

Okay? So as I hear that verse, I start thinking back to what David said earlier about interdimensional. Right. So if we're going to look at this UFO thing, right, and say that someone in the government just finally bear it all and said, look, here's exactly what we know. We've been researching this for years and years and years. And we have come to include that these aliens are not physical things necessarily from another planet, but what we're actually seeing is interdimensional, right?

There's a big argument to this UFO alien thing as being interdimensional. And much of what David believes and thinks and has said, and other UFOologists and people that have kind of been close to this topic, many of them say that the government actually believes that a lot of what we are seeing, is interdimensional rather than a straight-up physical interaction or account of what we're seeing. So the spiritual realm does interact with the world, as we said. So 2 Corinthians 10, 4 through 5 talks about fighting a spiritual enemy with weapons not of this world. In Matthew chapter 4, the tempter meets Jesus in the wilderness.

So whether they are considered aliens or not, demons are spiritual beings. beings that sided with Satan as enemy of God and lost their place in heaven, according to the Bible. Scripture says that they were hurled to the earth, Revelations 12, 7 through 9, where they engage with humanity in an attempt to keep people from salvation. In most biblical references to demons, people are possessed or filled with a demonic spirit. So could someone have a demonic experience and determine that it was an alien? That's what a lot of people also ask, when people say, I was abducted or I was this and things have not been right since. Now, people also ask, are angels aliens?

Well, Genesis 18 says Abraham encounters three strangers that he does not realize are angels. Numbers 22, Balam and his donkey encounter an angel in the road. Joshua 5 says Joshua encounters the commander of the army of the Lord. Two King 6, Alicia and the army of angels, it says. in Matthew and Luke's gospel accounts, Zachariah, Mary, and Joseph all have encounters with angels. Luke, too, a host of angels, engage with a group of shepherds. And what we have to understand about this, too,

and this is kind of how we somewhat have to connect. If you believe at all in the Bible or even other Bibles, we have to start connecting a little bit with what we're experiencing UFO, UAP, and then also what the Bible was experiencing, and many people throughout the Bible, were these people experiencing UFO and UAPs even in biblical days? And so then the people, so all of these people they reference in the Bible, did they think that these beings were angels

because of how extra, I guess extraordinary, maybe their movements were, how they got there, the light in the sky that comes down, and all the same similar things that we are seeing now, which move at extraordinary speeds, unlike anything we've ever seen before. So imagine being back in biblical days, when you have no technology, and then potentially seeing a UFO or UAP,

or alien beings, are you going to think or write in your book that they are angels and they must come from God, right? Very possible. Very possible. Or is it angels, right? I mean, that's the other thing. And that is a big topic to think about I'm, you know, obviously I wasn't around during biblical

time. So I can't answer that question. What I can answer is what I know to be true in my lifetime. And what is true to my lifetime and kind of going off of what you just read and talked about is that I think many people experience these same type of experiences through not only like interdimensional maybe seeing aliens outer space or whatever, but also, you know, people that reach out to people that are dead or have experiences with people on the other side or have bad experiences from whatever's from the other side. You know, all these ghost adventure people or, you know,

people that just go out into that realm of, you know, searching out ghosts or spirits or souls, I think that is all interconnected. And the reason why I also believe, that is because if any of you watch Skin Walker Ranch, well, Skin Walker comes from a spiritual, demotic, something, animal, entity, that changes into this humongous looking wolf or whatever, that's scary, but it's an entity. Yeah, shape shifter. Yeah. Yeah. And in the Bible, it speaks about beastly things that are demonic and so on, which is why many of the Indian tribes believe in this, right? A lot of that does come from the Bible and their beliefs or at least whatever their religion. A lot of the Indians, though, they kind of go along. I don't know exactly how their

religion works exactly, but you know what I'm saying? It's very much all very spiritual. And so if someone prove the existence of alien life in the universe, and this is something I often talk about, especially with Christians and hardcore Christians that are like, I believe in every single word the Bible says, I think what we have to understand is that I don't think it would negate any of the truth of the Bible at all if you believe in the Bible, okay? Because there is absolutely no conflict in the Bible with potential for life outside of Earth. There's never anything in the Bible that says there's no way life is outside of Earth, not possible. Scripture does say that God created the heavens in all of the earth. All people are created in the

image of God. Jesus is the only way to salvation according to Christian Bible, and the Bible is God breathed and useful for us and his following of Jesus. And all of that is still true if science finds extraterrestrial life according to the Christian Bible. And how could you ever imagine God Almighty, the God of everything is just in charge of the earth? That makes no sense to me. And when you talk about in the Bible, it says, you know, he made the heavens. To me, that's not the heaven where people think they go when they die, heavens is the entire universe, in my opinion. Yeah, there's a verse Hebrews 113, and it says by faith, we understand that the universe was created by the Word of God so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.

Okay? That's a very interesting verse. Psalms 19 says, The Choir Master, a Psalm of David, the heavens declare the glory of God and the sky above proclaims his handiwork. Psalms 8 3 through 4, when I look at your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars,

which you have set in place, what is man that you are mindful of him, and a son of man that you care for him? John 1.3 says all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made or that was made. So, I don't know. For so many of you that asked the question,

well, foes. They're demons. They have to be. Or anomalies. Yeah, but what I'm saying is there's a lot of people that reach out to us and say, you know, hey, I'm a Christian. I've been Christian my whole life. I believe in God. I follow Jesus. You know, so on. And so there's no way that these things are from another planet or because the Bible, whatever. So there's, there's no argument. There's no, nobody's going to come to me and say that, you know, because you believe in the Bible, that aliens from another planet can

exist because there literally is no contradiction in the Bible that says that that can't happen. And it might not even be from another, well, obviously, it could be a planet, or it can be from a whole... A realm. A whole different realm. We don't know that. Yeah. And, you know, as far as the biblical side of things, I mean, we could potentially be seeing

things that, you know, intermingle with our dimension, which, you know, would be, I guess, the spiritual or heavenly realm, as they call it. And so all of those things are very possible. Are some of these UFOs that we're seeing either angels or demons as the Bible describes possibly? Are they just weight like a far advanced life form that is from another planet somewhere outside of our solar system or maybe even our galaxy? That's also possible. Although physically it's less likely the further you get from our solar system for a civilization to be able to travel at the speeds they do and so on and so forth. forth. That's why...

Yeah. Which I'm not saying it's not possible because you can definitely build a craft that can do that over millions of years if you're that advanced of a civilization. But then you've got to look at like this world and like how we're so close to blowing ourselves up now. And it's been thousands of years, you know, and it's like, and we're still wanting to blow each other up. The people of Earth have always wanted to kill each other and they always want to go against each other. We have different countries for a reason. We hate other countries. Countries hate us. And that's just the natural way that things go. So it's just strange because I've often asked myself, well, how would an alien civilization finally be able to figure out a system to where they

didn't kill themselves before they got that advanced in technology and then could also work together to make something travel across galaxies? And I believe in the 1990s, that was what Russia and United States were trying to accomplish together. If you remember when Ronald Reagan had his major speech during the Cold War times, he said it's not our foreign adversaries that are against us. It's not this that's against us. It's not this. It's something else that's unknown that we don't know about and we have to come together

as a world to fight it or to go through this process together. So to me, in my opinion, back then, it was a chance for our our worlds to come together and say, hey, you know, if our world was going to be attacked by something, you know, it's no longer us attacking each other, then, in my opinion, I think the whole world would have a reason to come together. Yeah. If there was an outside force out of earth, you know, outside of earth, coming to attack us. Yeah, I mean, it's the same way with 9-11. You know, that was like right after 9-11, regardless of how that happened, you know, people of the country, the United States were like they had each other's back for the first time in a very long time,

it seemed like. It's like we have this common enemy that we need to go fight even though there's a lot to be said about. I'm not even going to go into that. But either way, guys, I guess the point here is that it could be anything. We want your opinions. Let us know what you believe. Message us on Twitter. Twitter is probably the best way. Messages or reach out to us on Twitter. Follow us on Twitter if you are not. Just type in Investigator's Podcast. You can also or reach out to us in any of the social media platforms. But guys, I think that's going to do it for today's episode. There's so much going on.

We're going to continue to follow this UFO and UAPP story. I do recommend you guys actually go check out Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp's podcast, Weaponized. He actually has an hour-long episode because it was Jeremy Corbell actually and George Knapp that sat on this whistleblower testimony from Dave Gersh for over a year because Dave Gersh came to them and said, you know, here's what I have, but I can't go yet. And so they basically

knew everything that he knew and probably a little bit more than he even came out with, could not release it. He then went to a bigger platform to actually, I guess, whistleblow. And although that would kind of suck if you've known this for every year and you don't get the story, but it also kind of made it, I don't know, I hate to even say it more credible, I guess, that a major news platform ran with it, but also because of that, as we talked about earlier in this podcast, it's also causing a big divide of like, oh, well, if they're freaking reporting it, we probably shouldn't believe it. Right.

So it may have been better for Dave or David to actually go to a Corbell or someone like that to break this rather than mainstream media. And then mainstream media continue to ignore it because, you know, I understand you want it in the masses. but I think what people have to start to realize and understand nowadays is that the masses is not necessarily CNN anymore. It's not Fox. It's not New York Times or whatever. It is independent people that have massive followings that are really reaching the people and they have this group of people that trust them. And those are the people you've got to start going to. We got to start

leaving behind the mainstream BS narrative even though, yeah, it sounds amazing if New York Times or News Nation or whoever's going to do your story and they're going to pump this up. But guys, you have to understand that they're getting least numbers of, you know, if you rather than you went on Joe or so many other platforms. Right. So people just don't understand that. But anyways, there's so much to talk about this. Let me know, let us know your thoughts on this. And I don't know why it keeps doing the, what did I do that last? time. There we go. Okay. It's good now. All right, guys, we love you. Till next time, peace out. Peace out, guys.