Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - UFO UAP Hearing Breakdown Conspiracy Podcasts | Aliens Are Here & Real!

Episode Date: July 27, 2023

In a significant hearing before House lawmakers, a former military intelligence officer, who has now become a whistleblower, made startling revelations regarding unidentified anomalous phenomena, commonly referred to as UAP or UFOs. The officer alleged that Congress has been deliberately kept uninformed about these mysterious objects, with executive branch agencies withholding vital information for years. The testimony shed light on a secretive UFO UAP program concealed by the government and in many people's opinions, verified Aliens Are Here! During the hearing, three notable individuals, including ex Navy Pilot Ryan Graves, Commander David Fravor, and Intelligence officer David Grusch, provided their testimonies under oath. Their accounts further reinforced the reality of UFOs and the existence of non-human beings, suggesting that the notion of aliens is more than just speculation.The hearing has sparked curiosity and concern among lawmakers and the public alike, prompting a call for greater transparency and access to information regarding these extraordinary phenomena.

Welcome to Investigator to podcast. I'm here with Chad alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. What's up, Sherry? What's up? Hey, guys and gals. Welcome to the podcast. Welcome to the show, everybody. It is July to 27, 2023, about 11.30 a.m.

here on the beautiful east coast of the United States of America. Welcome to the show. Guys, we have an amazing episode for you. As many of you know, because many of you actually tuned in, we live streamed the Congressional Hearing on UFOs yesterday. That took place yesterday, Wednesday, July to 26th. And we had 30th. three whistleblowers, all three of which have already spoken out in public before.

But you know what? It was actually surprisingly good. I felt like I learned more and it was just historical. This moment yesterday was historical in all of the United States government. This is something that we have not heard from in a very long time. And, you know, I think now you can rest assured, in my opinion, that aliens are here and they are real. They are amongst us. not only are they real and amongst us, but we have down craft. We have secret clandestine programs that are trying to reverse engineer these. I don't think they have yet, but they're trying. And we have three very brave people that are coming forward and standing up and putting their neck on the line and saying,

look, this is what we saw, this is what it is, this is the way it is. And one guy in particular that is really putting his neck out in the line more so than any of the other guys. And we're going to talk about all this. We're going to talk about threats. We're going to talk about how this kind of makes sense with the United States government. And what does this mean for society now that we know that UFOs and aliens are real, but not just real, they're here. Well, what it means is it's exciting to me because all these years I've been saying there's aliens and UFOs and people said I was crazy. Yeah.

And I am excited that I am not crazy. And I am smart because I knew they were here. Yeah. I mean, and the thing about it is, guys, this is just yet, I guess, another conspiracy, right? That is coming true. We've had so many of these things. And it's like, you know, it's weird when you tell people like, oh, why. And oftentimes, by the way, we don't even say, well, we have a conspiracy podcast.

We'll say we have a conspiracy podcast. We have a conspiracy in our name still because a lot of people look that up. They like to find out the truth. And a lot of times you find out truth through stuff like this. And the problem is, though, is that most all conspiracies we talk about are true. I mean, we try to stay away from the crazy stuff, the stuff that's really out there. And, you know, some people don't like that, actually. We get emails from people all the time that, you know, maybe they have a belief or something that they believe or follow heavily.

And they have for a long time that we haven't talked about or won't talk about. And it's just one of those things. We don't just go with the flow with every single thing that is out there. You know, I mean, because there's tons of wild conspiracies. Oh, there is. Out there. They're just nuts. And some of them are pretty nuts.

And I would call those people crazy. Yeah. I mean, and there are some of them out there like that. Now, you know, who's to say that all of those conspiracies that we think might be crazy or we might think that are not real? Some of those probably are, right? And I think the reality is, is that just like the UFO topic and the JFK assassination and so many things that are coming to light more and more and more as we go on is starting to be normalized. And it's even like this UFO thing. If you think about it, you had three whistleblowers.

One in particular that stood in front of Congress under oath yesterday in front of a conference. congressional panel in front of the American people and not just American people in front of the world. This is echoing around the world. Don't think that, you know, governments like China and Russia and every other government in the whole entire world was not watching this press conference or this hearing. But, you know, it's shaping our new reality. And our reality that we once thought we knew everything about. We're realizing now, and even more so with this, we know very, very little about the reality we live in. Yeah, I think yesterday just touched the surface of what they really know.

But for us, it was a game, changing game, a game breaker. Yeah. Or whatever I'm trying to say. Game changer. Yes, it totally was because we knew this is going on and we feel like it was real, but for them to actually come out in front of the American people and the whole world and say, yes, this is it. It was almost shocking to me, even though I knew it was real. Yeah.

Yeah, because I think, you know, and by the way, guys, and I'm going to go and tell you what we're going to do with this podcast. We're going to play a few little clips. There are not going to be long clips. Obviously, you guys can go back and listen to our podcast, the one where we have the entire hearing. You can find it so many different places. If you only want audio, we have it. But we are going to play some clips that we think are the most important, most groundbreaking, most reality checking thing that we heard from this hearing. We're also going to talk a little bit about how the news or the media is covering this, or if there's,

They're going to cover this. We're going to talk about the backlash. We're going to talk about so many of those things, but we're going to really break down some of the things we heard yesterday. And, I mean, we not only heard about aliens and beings and craft and threats of violence towards whistleblowers and all this stuff, but we also heard a little bit about interdimensionality, the interdimensional side of this. All of these things was mind-blowing.

It totally was. And there are all these things we've talked about, right? And so I also think yesterday's hearing is going to give a little more credibility to some of the people that have already come out once before, like people like Bob Lazar, that had this story about his job area S4 back in the day where he was, part of his job was to be there to try to figure out the propulsion or at least a step towards reverse engineering these craft. And so this was a story Bob Lazar came out with that was broke by George Knapp. which is, you know, often with Jeremy Corbell now. And, you know, there's been so many people that along, you know, over the years that have kind of, they basically tried to discredit his story. Now, one of the things we've talked about about Bobazar on many different episodes was the fact that many people knew that he was in college. They saw him in college.

There was people that knew that he was at Area S4, in Area 51. He was on logs. There was all these things that proved that he was actually there. He was actually a, the person that he says he was. The problem was, though, the government, what they did was they came basically behind him. They took away all of his credentials. They did everything they possibly could to discredit him because Bob Lazar being someone that was actually at Area S4 at a place where they were reverse engineering these alien spacecraft. And then you have this guy coming forward.

And by the way, everyone knew that Bob Lazare was very, very talented as far as propulsion. I mean, this guy had a freaking jet car in his driveway that he made himself. You know, so this guy was very knowledgeable, very talented in that field. And so what did the government do? Well, they knew that the only recourse they had was basically either to kill him, which was going to be tough because he already came out with a story, which was his protection. Right. And I think that's why he came up with the story.

Absolutely. And that was one of the things he told nap in the beginning. And he said, you know, this is my insurance. Because, you know, because he did get caught, right? he got caught in the desert showing some of his friends what they were doing or how these things were, you know, he was showing him when they were operating. Whether or not they were operating from the actual people that was at Area S4 or whether or not maybe they had some program that aliens were actually operating things. We don't know. But either way, once he got caught, he knew that it was a ticking time bomb.

So he had to come out just for his security and for his insurance. But, you know, Bob Lazar has got to be one of those guys right now that feels a little bit more. credible, at least in the eyes of the public. I 100% think because much of what the whistleblowers described to Congress under oath as far as how these UFOs work, what the propulsion seems to be, this is exactly what Bob Lazar said he was working on and he explained many, many years ago. Right. So, I mean, you know, you have to give some credibility to Bob. And also these whistleblowers that are coming out now are experiencing the same things that Bob Lazzar experience. They're going through a lot of hassle and a lot of aggravation and non-trust and people

really going against them in evening to the point where their lives are also threatened as well. Yeah, and we'll talk a little bit about that in just a little bit for sure because it's crazy. I mean, it's not surprising though. I mean, it's not surprising to us that the government does this type of stuff. I mean, you know, there's a reason why we started this podcast. We started this podcast because the government does this type of stuff. And, you know, primarily we're not, we didn't start this podcast because you're like, hey, we just want to talk about cool shit and like whatever, just, you know, we really had a need we felt like to talk about the things that the media wasn't talking about, whether it be JFK, in our opinion, even the moon landing,

and so many of these other things that we just didn't see that made sense. And we have to. And it's the same reason why many people in Congress yesterday during this hearing encouraged on camera for the media to cover this. You know, you need to cover this. Do your job as media and put this in the public. eye because we got to not only let the public know, hey, this is real, this thing is happening, we're finally getting disclosure, whether people like the way it's coming out or not, it is

disclosure. I mean, I don't know why. I have seen some backlash about some of the whistleblowers yesterday. I've seen some backlash from people that obviously want to debunk or try to, you know, throw in all these kind of mixed signals and confuse people. And let me explain that a little bit. number one there's so many people that for whatever reason feel like the government should be the one that comes out into public how it holds this huge press conference the president's there the secretary of state secretary of defense and they're all going to sit here in front of everyone in the world and say okay guys we do have aliens we have spacecraft yes we are paying companies like lockheed martin rathion all these other companies to try to reverse engineer them and we're also trying to build some super weapons out of them so that we can basically control the world and destroy everyone else in it, including maybe even you if you step out of line, that's not going to happen. No, it's not. And it'll never happen.

It will never happen because the reality of this is, and this is something also why we started the podcast, you got to realize that people in general, if you're looking at this from an alien life perspective, people in general are, and I don't mean to sound negative when I say this are assholes. we have more assholes in this world than I can imagine. Like I can imagine if we were able to go to some sentient planet, somewhere off planet, maybe somewhere one of these spacecraft are coming from. I just don't necessarily feel that you would have the total selfishness that we have in this world because if you did, you wouldn't be able to achieve whatever these things are have achieved. That's part of the problem why we can't figure out the, you know, how to get further in technology. we are compartmentalized and everything. That's one of the things the whistleblowers talked about. That's one of the things Bob Lazard talked about.

You know, when you go and you're put on a project like Area S4, Area 51, like Bob was, and you have these skills, but you're not allowed to speak to other scientists that are also there to collaborate with, which, you know, science is huge in collaboration. Part of science is, this guy does this, and it's not working, but this scientist comes long and says, maybe it's because of this. I didn't, you know, and maybe this scientist didn't know how you did this, but he knows how you're not doing this. Right. And that's what we're, that's our biggest.

Yeah, it's about teamwork. And teamwork doesn't happen in any fashion in this world. It doesn't happen at any level. No. There is no teamwork ever anywhere. And that includes our adversaries, you know, Russia, China. We don't, all of us don't ever work together. It's always been every country is against each other and who can get to the top the first.

Yeah, and even the states now. I mean, you know, you got Democrat states, you got Republican states. You have two sides of the party in Congress or in government. And then probably the only people that really do work together are the people that are trying to hide their corruption on a daily basis. Those are the people that are working together because they don't want to get to jail. They don't want to get a prison. They want to be killed. And they don't want to public to know how corrupt they are.

Really, the evil people are the ones that are really working together. And they're working together, unfortunately, for sinister reasons. I mean, you think about the World Economic Forum. You think about the New World Order. You think about all these things that are potentially going to be implemented in the future. These people are working together because they know they have to to implement such sinister acts. And it's not just sinister things you can work together. You can work together on so many things.

The cool thing was yesterday was seeing that, you know, you had Republicans and Democrats in the same chamber that was talking, agreeing, and also agreeing on a solution or a path forward for this UFO thing, right? Yeah. Mr. Garcia, he's very new to the Congressional meetings. And he said he had only been there six months. And this was the first time that he's actually seen Democrats and Republicans working together for a common goal. And he just was really impressed by that.

There's absolutely no question. I mean, you know, every time you see any congressional hearing nowadays, they hate each other. They're literally bringing up stuff that literally makes no sense to what the hearing is even about. And even when you bring incredible witnesses, if, if a credible witness is against the other, then it's just, it doesn't matter, right? The other side is automatically going to go against them or against the other side. That's the way this goes.

So it was kind of refreshing to see that. Now, the reality is, is that some of the talk yesterday, talking about whether these things could be hostile, whether they pose any risk or threat to our homeland, to our national security, to the public. I think we've got a clear answer on that, and we'll hear a little bit about that in this podcast. But, you know, that should be even.

more reason. You think back to 9-11 when that happened. It was the most together, I think, that America was in a very long time. People realized that, hey, you know, we just lost 3,000-plus people due to a quote-unquote terrorist attack from what they say. And it did, for whatever reason, for a decent amount of time, bring people together until that was all washed away, because they couldn't have people brought together. So anyways, let's get into the story. Lawmakers yesterday called for centralized reporting and more investigations on U.S. and witnesses recounted instances of UFO encounters, alleged secret programs. The lead whistleblower declined to answer many questions in an open setting, but the lawmakers

pledged to continue investigations and work to track reports. So ultimately, the lawmakers pledged to continue efforts to investigate allegations that the government was concealing evidence of non-human craft and operating without congressional oversight as well as working to create more ways for service members and civilians to report suspicious sightings. The U.S. House Oversight Committee heard from three witnesses Wednesday morning after a whistleblower filed a complaint claiming the U.S. had been concealing evidence of non-human craft.

The hearings were a rare show of bipartisanship as members of both parties pressed for answers on the issue. And so much of what was revealed in this hearing has been shared before, including claims from whistleblower David Grush that the government was operating a secret UFO crash retrieval program and was or are the existence of he called non-human entities or crafts. So there's a lot to be said about this. Now let's talk a minute before we get into a clip that we want to play because I mean, we got a lot of really important clips to play to you guys.

We're not going to bore you with long clips because, you know, some of you may have watched it, but I want you to rehear some of the things. There's some things in this that I didn't actually catch until last night as far as how they asked the question and how the question was answered. Because I think it's very important. But anyway, so Commander David Fraver, and we'll talk about the witnesses here for a minute, Commander David Fraver was the commander. He was on Joe Rogan podcast. He came out and really talked about it for the first time on the Joe Rogan podcast. He was a commandant officer over a Navy F-18 fleet off the coast of San Diego. And at this time, he was basically scrambled,

what it sounds like off the USS Nimitz to a location or a target zone off the coast of California some miles out into the ocean and him and his squadron went to this location. Apparently the USS Nimitz

along with other radar and surveillance tech were tracking what they would call bogeys or targets off of the coast of California. They were in particular one that appeared to come down from 80 plus thousand feet, which is space and come down to about sea level.

So they get on scene of about where this thing is and showing up on radar. And as they get on scene, this craft is coming down. It's almost close to the ocean. David Fravor says that they could see the ocean white capping. This was a perfectly clear day, often to the ocean. You didn't have any white caps, very, very calm, no wind, perfect flying conditions.

And so this craft, what he referred to as like a giant, propane tank came down and appeared almost to communicate with something underneath the water, almost as if maybe whatever was underwater was some type of mothership. And so as Fravor and the other F8 teams were starting to basically orbit down to where they're essentially making a right-hand turn going in a circle, imagine like a tornado. You're just kind of orbiting down to where you're losing some altitude, but you're also keeping your eye on whatever this craft was. as they got about to 15,000 feet,

he said he realized that this craft almost seemed like it was now aware of their presence. More than likely, it was already aware of their presence, but it was getting too close for comfort for this craft.

This craft comes up to about 12,000 feet, and at one point in time, he said it was about a, I think it was a quarter mile or a half mile away from this craft. They could visibly see it. And like you said, it was like a large propane tank.

But then the crazy thing was this thing shot off and disappeared like in light speed. But then a few seconds later, or a few, maybe it was like a minute later, the USS Nimitz along with some of the other battle carriers, actually called the squadron and said, hey, by the way, that thing is exactly the same place it was when you started this mission, which was miles and miles and miles. Within seconds.

Yeah, within seconds, right? So obviously this thing was light speed traveling or whatever, however it was. And so this was his experience. They saw this thing up close. He talked about radar jam and he talked about all these things, what this craft was doing to their F-18s that he's never seen before. He's never known any other hostile adversary or otherwise in this world ever be able to do that or have that technology. That's very tough to do to do all of the tech at the same time.

And yet now we're also hearing stories from a little bit of everywhere as far as what happened. But let's start with a clip. Now this is Representative Langworthy, and he talks to David Fravor a little bit, but some of the things he says in these two clips, and there's going to be two clips, so I'm going to have to, once this one ends, I will switch over to the second clip, and then we're going to break this down and talk about this first, because I think this is a pretty good place to start as we're talking about David Fravor and kind of what he witnessed.

So let's get into this clip now. I'm going to my questions, if you don't mind. Commander Fravor, can you briefly describe your... your background? Yeah, I was an enlisted Marine, Naval Academy graduate. Navy flew for 18 years, got a master's from University of Houston, and I've worked in the private sector for the last, what now, 19, 16 years, 17 years. I do a lot of defense work. Really gold-plated credentials. Commander Fravor, we have all seen the floating Tick-Tac video that you engage with on November 14th, 2004. Can you briefly talk about why you were off the coast of San Diego that day?

Yeah, we were at a workup with all the battle group, so we integrate the ships with the carrier, the air wing with the carrier, and we start working. So we were doing an air-to-air defense to hone not only our skills, but those of the USS Princeton when they had been tracking them for two weeks. The problem was that there was never manned aircraft airborne when they were tracking them, and this was the first day, and unfortunately we were the ones airborne and went and saw it. Do you remember the weather that day? Was it cloudy or windy? or anything out of the ordinary on the Pacific Coast? It was actually, if you're familiar with San Diego,

it was a perfect day, light winds, no white caps, clear skies, not a cloud. It was for flying, it was the best. Now, is it true that you saw, in your words, a 40-foot flying TikTok-shaped object? That's correct. Or for some people that can't know what a TikTok is, it's a giant flying propane tank.

Fair enough. Did this object come up on radar or interfere with your radar or the USS Princeton? The Princeton tracked it, the Nimitz tracked it, the E2 tracked it, we never saw it on our radars. Our fire control radars never picked it up. The other airplane that took the video did get it on a radar.

As soon as it tried to lock it, it jammed the radar, spit the lock, and he's rapidly switched over to the targeting pod, which you can do in the F-18. All right, now let's go to part two here. From what you saw that day and what you've seen on video, did you see any source of propulsion from the flying object, including on any potential thermal scans from your aircraft? No, there's none.

There's no IR plume coming out. And Chad, who took the video, went through all the EO, which is black and white TV and the IR modes, and there's no visible signs of propulsion. It's just sitting in space at 20,000 feet. In your career, have you ever seen a propulsion system that creates no thermal exhaust? No.

Can you describe how the aircraft maneuvered? abruptly very determinate. It knew exactly what it was doing. It was aware of our presence. And it had acceleration rates. I mean, it went from zero to matching our speed in no time at all. Now, if the fastest plane on Earth was trying to do these maneuvers that you saw, would it be capable of doing that?

No, not even close. And just to confirm, this object had no wings, correct? No wings. Now, was the aircraft that you were flying, Was it armed? No, never felt threatened at all. If the aircraft was armed, do you believe that your aircraft or any aircraft in possession of the United States could have shot the Tick-Tac down?

I'd say no, just on the performance it would just left in a split second. It looks like that we have a problem here that needs further investigation. Yes. In your belief, is this flying Tic-Tac, I mean, is it capable of being the product of any other nation on the earth? No, I actually said, like I said earlier, I think it defies current material science and the ability to develop that much propulsion. And I know there's been some physicists of doing calculations, which is beyond anything

that we have. Well, either the United States has an adversary here in this world. that we don't know or we really have some serious investigations to do. And there we go. So that was Commander David Fraver and Langworthy asking him some questions. Given a little background on that day and some of Commander Fraver's credentials. Now, Commander Fraver was the commanding officer over this fleet, right? So he did have superiors, but nothing was ever done about this incident.

It was basically shelved. They put it in a file somewhere. No one heard of it or heard about it again. There's some key things to take away here. is as a commanding officer for a Navy fleet of attack fighter aircraft, you know, your number one thing is you're going to know part of your job is to know every hostile aircraft that you may ever come up against in the world. That is just part of your job. You in a lot of cases, know these aircraft as good as you know your own. You know the capabilities of these aircraft.

Many of these fighter pilots get in simulators and fight against the top aircraft in the world. And really, the only countries that really have aircraft that compete with our aircraft now, like the F-22 or the F-35 Raptor, would really probably be China. China's got an amazing fighter jet this just recently came out. It looks similar to our F-22s and such. But we also have to remember the F-18 fighter jets are an older generation of aircraft, although they have outfitted them now to be a little more

I guess modern F-18s are actually the aircraft that was used in Top Gun Maverick, the new Top Gun so you can, you know, if you've seen the movie, that's the aircraft they used in the movie and also is the aircraft that Commander Fravor and his unit was off the coast

actually not engaging but having an encounter with this thing. So Langworthy ask him directly, do you think that you or your squadron could have defended our airspace or could have defended yourself from this craft had been this craft been hustle and he resoundingly said absolutely not he said no he said these things can be standing still and you could shoot at it and it would just disappear there's no

way you could shoot at it and get to it at the same time it would be gone yeah so that is a concern for our safety yeah now you're right and um the other question is what would happen if it was shot at, right? So if we're, if we're understanding that these craft potentially have almost their own force filled around them, which is essentially how they maneuver. You know, they have no obvious signs of propulsion. A lot of the reports we're starting to hear now is that these things distort space and time, which is actually how they move. And we're going to talk a little bit about that later as far as some of the crazy stuff we've heard from some insiders about being able to see the inside of one of these craft

recently. But if these things distort space and time and you shot a weapon at it and it stayed where it was, right? Is that weapon even going to penetrate the craft or that space? Potentially not because as Bob Lazar said, and he's been pretty right about a lot, and as a lot of the things we've heard from other whispers that have kind of been around this program or these programs, it appears that these craft create their own gravity field around them, right?

And so we've talked about this on other podcasts. This is potentially a reason why some of these craft glow because of the gas or the friction or the radiation that it admits when it's atmosphere, because you have to think about it. Earth has its own atmosphere. And so these craft, if they create their own gravity field around the craft, right, it's essentially creating its own atmosphere around the actual craft. So anytime that you have two atmospheres that collide or even, even for example, I'll give a short example here as far as. weather goes. In the United States or around the world, anytime you have a hot air mask with a cold air mask that collide,

you typically get severe thunderstorms. There's a lot of things that happen in that environment. You also get crazy clouds. There's things when atmospheres are changing, that you get pink clouds or you get very wispy type thing. I mean, there's a lot of stuff that happens in our own atmosphere. But then imagine two atmospheres, a very small atmosphere and completely separate from our own.

A lot of scientists believe that that is potentially a reason why some of these people and some of these reports off the East Coast and the West Coast and whatever that sees them off the coast. A lot of these people believe that this is because of the almost radiation that these things admit from the reaction between our atmosphere and theirs. Bob Lazar is one of the people that said this particularly. As he was on this hill, overlooking area S4 with some of his friends showing them one of the testings of these craft. or whatever the case is, which they barely could get off the ground, as Bob Lazar said, and couldn't really do much to maneuver

or any of this stuff. But it was one of the things he said was it wasn't like the craft actually had lights. It was the fact of the gravity field. Yeah, it was glowing because of the interaction between our atmosphere and its own. Yeah, and it just makes me wonder, because you hear people say

when they see these glowing lights, some people see red, some people see green, some people see white. I guess it just is really, reacting with different types of atmosphere? Yeah, maybe. Yeah, you're right. I mean, it could...

Like ocean atmosphere or... Well, the interesting thing about it is, if you think about it this way, a lot of the reports that people see, especially during the day or evening or stuff like that or even at night. But a lot of times people report similar lights or similar colors as we actually observe in our own atmosphere through various different processes of weather and atmospheric science and all that stuff. Right. So we see a lot of those same colors. and it could be also maybe because of a lot of the same reasons.

So anyways, but a big takeaway here is, could we defend ourselves? And it appears that we could not. According to F-18 pilot David Fravor, we could not defend ourselves, our homeland, or themselves had or in the event that something did actually attack. There's no way we could possibly do that. Now, the next video or clip I want to get to to elaborate on this before we get into some of the better stuff. stuff, is talking about the hostility of these craft and also national security. Ogles, Mr. Ogles, I guess, Representative Ogles, asked this question about our national security and also potential threats of these craft.

Let's check out what he has to say. So when we think about traditional adversaries and both us towards them and them towards us, we probe their capabilities. We look for weaknesses, and we collect that data. that reconnaissance for in the event we need it in the future. For each of you, yes or no question, based off of your own experience or the data that you've been privy to, is there any indication that these UAPs could be essentially collecting reconnaissance information?

Mr. Graves? Yes. Mr. Grush? Fair assessment. Mr. Fraver. Very possible. Again, in the national security vein, is it possible? that these UAPs would be probing our capabilities?

Yes, Mr. Graves? Yes. Brush? Yes. Graver? Definitely. Is it possible that these UAPs are testing for vulnerabilities in our current systems? Yes.

Yes. Possible. Do you feel, based off of your experience and the information that you've been privy to, that these UAPs provide an existential threat to the national security of the United States? Mr. Graves? potentially? Yes sir, potentially. Same answer potentially. I'd say definitely potentially.

Mr. Graves and Fravor, you know, in the event that your encounters had become hostile, would you have had the capability to defend yourself, your crew, your aircraft? Absolutely not. Sir. No. Is based off of the information that you've been privy to, is there any indication that these UAPs are interested in our nuclear technology and capabilities? Yes. By external observation, sure, that could be a fair assessment, yeah.

Yes. Is there any indication that Department of Energy is involved in UAP data collection and housing? I don't have an answer. I can't confirm or deny that in a public setting. Could you do it in a secure setting? Yes. Mr. Frazier? No, I don't know.

Mr. Chairman, I think I'm the last member to go. but there clearly is a threat to the national security of the United States of America. As members of Congress, we have a responsibility to maintain oversight and be aware of these activities so that, if appropriate, we take action. I would encourage the chairman to demand that we have any and all, but in particular Mr. Grush, talked to us in a skiff, and if that access is denied, I will personally volunteer to initiate the Holman rule against any personnel or any program or any agency that denies access to Congress. And there's Mr. Ogles asking all of the witnesses, especially, you know, Commander Fravor and Ryan Graves, would they be able to defend themselves in the event these things turned hostile?

And they all said, definitely not, no way possible. He goes on. And by the way, Mr. Ogles is on the, he's been on many. committees for national defense, and so he is very well-versed in national offense and what this means or what this could potentially mean for national defense. I think it's very interesting, too, because Ryan Graves, we have not got to Ryan Graves yet. We've talked about Commander Fravor, and let's go into Ryan Graves and who he is. Ryan Graves was the pilot. He also went on Joe Rogan to discuss this, but Ryan Graves was operating off the coast of Virginia most often with many units,

and these encounters with UAPs and UFOs were on a daily basis. They were, were constantly seeing these cube-like structures off the coast. And many times, I think they have, at least in his time, there was 14 near misses with these F-18s. There were times when these craft were coming and splitting the two F-18s that were flying formation. And typically when F-18s fly formation, just imagine the Blue Angels and how close they get. Now, regular F-18s, as far as attack squadrons or any of that, don't typically get that close, I mean, especially in training. I mean, Blue Angels are like something out of this world.

Yeah. But they are still very close. I mean, typically you'll be within a plane length of the other plane. So, you know, maybe you've got 20 feet apart or 30 feet apart. And so when a UAP, which he said that these things were not huge, they weren't, you know, massive UAPs or any of this stuff. But when a UAP of something of unknown origin that is jamming, and screwing your radars and doing all this stuff and training missions are splitting between two F-18s

to multi-million dollar fighters and oftentimes potentially these fighters could have been armed. A lot of times these train emissions, they do fly armed, especially off the coast, which is why a lot of times our fighter pilots will train off the coast because they go armed. They also do this in test ranges,

especially in the southwest. But when these craft actually split these F-18s, and they have no idea what's going on, and yet they would go back, they would report this stuff to whoever they reported it to. It was becoming a huge, huge issue and a danger. It was a threat to not only the aircraft that were flying that day, but it was a threat to national security.

This was something that Ryan Graves and many other pilots saw. Graves said that they saw these things every single day. It wasn't just, oh, every once in a while we saw these. they saw these craft every single day. And it kind of makes sense because like off the coast of Virginia, you know, if you look at the eastern seaboard of the United States and you look all the way down to Florida, but in particular, especially, it seems,

South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, this kind of a little indention area of the East Coast because that's what it is. It kind of comes in. When you look at that area, we have more sightings of UFOs. There are actual cities that, you know, are on actual many list for the highest UFO reporting cities in the country. Myrtle Beach being one of those other various coastal towns off the coast of outer banks. And so it makes sense because you have Ryan Graves saying they saw these things every single day that they would go out and train.

They would train 20, 30 miles off the coast. They would oftentimes even train south of Virginia, so they would probably go down to North Carolina. This is an everyday occurrence. It was interesting because of how Ryan explains, you know, what these things look like. Almost as if, you know, if they were from an alien civilization, you would almost think that these things would have had to have been drones, right? Or something because they were not big enough to fit someone inside of, technically, with what we understand anyway, right? Yeah, and they don't even look like airplanes. They have no wings.

They have no proportion. They have no nothing. They could be spheres. They could be cubes. They can be triangles. And that's what's so crazy about these crafts is you think about something that's flying like a bird has wings. Planes have wings. Jets have wings.

These things do not have wings to fly. They can actually just stay in the sky and not move. No matter like how much wind is blowing or how much rain or how much storm, they can totally sit still in their own environment. Yeah, you're right. And you think about a plane. If you're on a plane and you even go through clouds, you're going to experience turbulence. and the plane is going to move back and forth. These things do not even move at all.

Yeah, it's crazy. Ryan Graves, actually, to Sherry's point, Ryan actually explains here some of the aerodynamics and just kind of how these things behaved in this. And then we'll also hear, I believe, from Grush towards the end of this as well. But I want to play this clip to further explain some of what he was experiencing.

Behaviors that we saw in a working area, we would see these objects being at 0.0.0. That's zero air speed over certain pieces of the ground. So what that means, just like a river, if you throw a bobber in, it's going to float downstream. These objects were staying completely stationary in category four hurricane winds. These same objects would then accelerate to supersonic speeds, 1.1, 1.2 mock. They would do so in very erratic and quick behaviors that I don't have an explanation for. One point you said that there has been harmful activity or aggressive activity.

Okay, I want to stop there for a second because I want to elaborate on what he said. So aerodynamics and aircraft are obviously huge. Zero mock or zero miles per hour is what these things at times we're going. And then also other times that we're going mock two plus from zero, right? And most people know that humans cannot fly that fast. Oh, absolutely not. It would crush them. Well, Mach 2 you can fly, right?

I mean, you can fly Mach 2. There are fighter jets that fly mock 2. Once you start getting to Mach 3 and 4 and 5, that's when you get an issue. And it's not necessarily the speed. We know we can fly at Mach 2, right? But the problem is that we can't, we have no way to send someone from zero to Mach 2 instantly because it will kill them. And then stop and then do it again.

Or go from 20,000 feet to 80,000 feet and then back down. It's impossible for any craft made by humans to do that. Yeah, absolutely. You know, you think about the space shuttle going up. You see all that fire underneath them and pushing them up. That's all propulsion. Yeah, they can't just push up to the space, come back down, stop for a minute, and then go back out, or turn right, left, and go any direction.

It's just not humanly possible. Yeah, that's a great. That's actually a really good point to think about, too. Space shuttles, yeah. I mean, look at Elon Musk, SpaceX. Look at the regular space station, or space shuttle that is now retired. I mean, you make a good point. There's a reason why there's so much fire underneath that.

I mean, there's also a reason why SpaceX has had many issues with exploding rockets. That's the reason why we've had many issues with, or we as in NASA, has had many issues with exploding, killing many people on board of some of these space shuttles. The amount of power and thrust and energy that it would take to lift one of these things to space and get it there, right, is enormous. We've seen explosions and what these things do when they do explode. And so we've seen these with Elon Musk and SpaceX, but you make a great point. It takes that. That is our greatest technology right now to get to space.

is these massive rockets that have this, according to aliens, they would tell you very outdated technology of fuel, right, and a freaking rocket booster. They're like, what are you doing? They got to be looking at that. But that is our technology versus this technology. Now, let me explain a little bit here more of what he's talking about, zero to Mach 2.

Imagine going zero to 60 in a very, very fast car. If you're in a very fast car, say like a drag car, Say that you were able to get in a drag strip car, the cars that go from stop to like a quarter mile or half mile, whatever, you're pinned in your seat. And you're pinned in your seat because it's G forces. Now, pilots undergo, fighter pilots especially undergo intensive training for G forces. They get in what's called a G-room.

And this G-room, what it does is it puts you in a little compartment. It looks like a kind of almost like a carnival ride. there's actually there there there is a ride at many amusement parks it looks like a spaceship i don't know if you guys have ever been on that oh yeah i've been on that yeah and you go in that spaceship and you get strapped in you're on a wall everybody's on a wall around it and this spaceship starts spinning as fast as it does and you'll actually start lifting up off the ground well that's g forces those are all the things that pilots train for on a daily basis now most pilots can go up to nine gs or nine times their body weight. It makes them feel nine times heavier than they are. And so all of that

pressure from nine times their body weight is being pushed on them. And what tends to happen is when that pressure is being pushed, nine Gs, blood is pulling out of your head and going to your extremities, especially your feet. So it's going to go to the furthest down position that it can because it's pushing, almost imagine it pushing down from your head and you feel like you get nine of you on your head, but also your blood is pushing out of your body or out of your head. And so pilots have G-suits, it's where it constricts on their legs and on their arms and on their chest. And these G-suits actually react with the Gs.

So once the G-suits realize or recognize that they're pulling Gs, it'll start slowly compressing, and it compresses to try to keep blood where it's at. And then there's also pilots, it's grunting. They will grunt when they're pushing Gs. and what they grunt for like this is they try to keep the blood up in their head because if they don't they go in what's called G lock and when you go in the G lock basically all the brain or all the blood leaves your brain and then you pass out and this has actually killed many pilots before because you know you're you're completely unconscious

the only time you're going to maintain or regain consciousness is once those Gs are stopped and then the blood starts slowly coming back in your brain but oftentimes it's way too late by then and you're crashing or doing some other stuff so just to explain G's of why pilots cannot go through that. The most Gs that we really can go through is 9 Gs, maybe 10 with advanced suits and whatever else. But so, so then, one second. So to compare from going zero to Mach 2 or whatever the case would be instantaneously, you

might be looking at the least 30 Gs and you might be looking at the most 10,000 Gs in some cases. If you're moving at light speed, right, it could be 10,000, 20,000 Gs, 20,000 times your body weight, depending on how fast you're going and all that. But then we got to think about this. If you have your own gravity field around these crafts and you do have a BN or something inside of this, then it would appear as if you're going zero Gs or you're going maybe 1G, whatever they would regulate that environment inside to be. Right. So I'm sure there's regulation as far as what that gravity field or whatever is experiencing inside the craft.

So you could be going mock or mock 20, mock 50, mock 100 from zero to. Mach 50, it doesn't matter because your actual surface on the outside is doing the work and the inside is protected by that gravity field. So that's kind of what Bob Bazar explained. And also, I just want you guys to understand that's why we're nowhere even close to that technology. We have no way to figure out how to encapsulate or protect our pilots in a way that would, you're essentially having to protect them from gravity. Right. And Fravor said he didn't even think we'd have that in the next 20, 50 years. No, I don't think. That we are so less advanced to even be close to what that is.

Yeah, you're 100% right. Now, another great thing here was they ask about hostile intentions of, sorry, my bad, I played that a little soon. They ask about hostile intentions, right? And there's something very, very huge, I think, in this. And I want you guys to listen to this. And it's something I didn't exactly catch until I heard it two or three times, but I want to play this and I want you guys to hear this.

And then we'll talk about it. Here you go. There has been harmful activity or aggressive activity. Has any of the activity been aggressive, been hostile in your reports? I know of multiple colleagues of mine that got physically injured. And the activity by UAPs or by people within the federal government. Okay. So there has been activity by alien or non-human technology and or beings that has caused harm to humans. I can't get into the specifics in an open environment, but at least the activity that I personally witnessed,

and not to be very careful here, because you don't, you know, they tell you never to acknowledge tradecraft, right? So what I personally witnessed myself and my wife was very disturbing. Okay, so that was David Grush. Now, we have not got to David Grush yet, but David Grush is the main whistleblower here. David Grush is, he was extremely high up in his position. He's been in many different positions, but he was one of the highest ranking intelligence officers in the community. He basically had full access to everything that almost everything, the U.S. government, had or was working on, or at least to access to the people that was working on these

secretive clandestine programs working on UAPs and UFOs. Now, something very interesting that he says here in response to this question, and this is something I didn't exactly catch, but I think it's important. Were there any hostile intentions or acts from these things? It's not necessarily, I think a lot of people first misunderstood it to know that and he also mentioned this as well some of the actual people that worked on these craft for reverse engineering were injured based on

the fact that they didn't know exactly what they were working on. It could have been radiation. It could have been all of these things. Now we heard from Tucker Carlson on the Noteboys podcast. This was a couple of months back. We talked about it in an episode. Tucker Carlson had insider information that we've had at least over 100 military personnel

that have died from close encounters with craft. And it seemed like these craft encounters occurred in war zones or hostile, hostile areas. Now, we know that we see a uptick in UFO and UAP sightings over war zones or over war-torn countries. Or even military bases. Military bases in particular as well, especially nuclear facilities or places like that. But, you know, Tucker Carlson was saying he had an inside source.

It was a doctor from, I think it was Stanford, that, you know, these family members were basically not being told what really happened. they were not understanding of what happened there. And then, I guess, based on people that were either around what happened at that time, started talking to family members and saying, this is what we saw, this is what happened. This is how your son or brother or husband or whatever died in war was because of a UFO-UAP contact. And so then these family members kind of got together as a coalition and went to this neuroscientist, this neurosurgeon slash neurodoctor.

that's one of the biggest experts in the world. He has patents on various neuroscience. So he's not a quack. He's one of the best neuroscience doctors in the world. He actually went and examined a lot of these bodies. And he thought that the traumatic brain injuries that cause either injuries or deaths from these soldiers was caused by some type of intense radiation or gamma radiation, which also goes along with all of the other evidence that says that these UFOs and UAPs

emit this radiation or gamma radiation. And so the reason why they went to this doctor, they weren't getting the benefits. They were not getting what they were supposed to get because the government, the military, was trying to cover up why they died or any of this other stuff. Some of these people were severely debilitated for the rest of their lives. Instead of dying, they were debilitated. They were brain dead or partially brain dead. Or, you know, there were so many different things that happened to all these people.

And Tucker Carlson pointed that out. Now, with this actual question, and the... asking commander, I mean, sorry, not commander, but David Grush, was there, or have you witnessed any hostile acts or intentions by these things? And he said, which. Yeah, he said which one, but he said both. He said, I've seen both. And then he said what him and his wife witnessed was very disturbing. And I'm not exactly sure what that means. But what this does kind of point to is at the very least, these things are not necessarily nice little friendly gray aliens. They, potentially have hostile intentions. And I don't think he means when he says, yes, I have witnessed hostile intentions by UFOs and UAPs. I don't think he means that you got close to one in an encounter

and because of the radiation on the craft, you were hurt or injured or killed. I think he has knowledge, has information that there has been intentional deaths caused by these things, intentional debilitation or whatever the case may be. We've had, we've done a couple of episodes.

which I encourage you guys to go check out on missing people in National Forest. And there's actually a couple of guys. There's a retired detective out of California that has a documentary on it. I can't remember his name right off the top of my head. But, you know, there have been many reports of people that go missing, never found again. And even some places that it's almost impossible to go missing from. There was one encounter of this guy that went fishing up in Canada. and he, for whatever reason, had his dog in the truck.

He went down to fish or they don't know why his dog was in the truck because he took his dog everywhere. Everywhere he went, yeah. But he went down to fish. Now, his stuff was in a triangle, which is very interesting. When they found his stuff, yeah. Yeah, when they finally found his stuff, his stuff was one piece was on the coast here, one piece was down the coast a little bit and one piece was up on the hill. It was. And it formed a triangle.

It did. It formed a triangle. Now, the very interesting thing is when they interviewed his wife. wife, right? So they used to go to this lake together. And they used to just sit by the lake and watch the lake. It was a beautiful setting in Canada. And there were a couple of times that they actually saw a UFO over this water. And it appeared to be some type of, like similarly explained like disc type shape, tick-tack type deal that would go over the water, go over the mountains. They saw these things a couple times. And then this is just so happens to be where he was taken from. And I wholeheartedly

believe he was taken, disappeared. There was zero biological evidence of any foul play. There was no, nothing to investigators. And also the very interesting thing about that story was the, I guess the equivalent to the Canadian, it was the equivalent to like CIA or FBI, or actually the ones that came in and took over this case. They shut up everybody. They did not let his wife know anything. They compartmentalized everything once again and hushed it all away. Right. I think we see these things all the time. We see disappearances all the time. And I do think a lot of these could potentially be from UFO kidnappings. And not to mention, we think about animal mutations or mutilations, sorry, mutilations, all these animals where they're just drained of blood. There's no blood anywhere or,

you know, cows are found in weird situations. Yeah. You know, to me, I feel like they're coming down and examining these things, but it could be a hostile thing. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, yeah, some of these cow mutilations and cattle mutilations, you know, you watch the stuff like Skinwalker Ranch and all this stuff, but this happens all the time. It happens all around the world. This is not just in the United States. And the very interesting thing about these cattle mutilations and livestock mutilations is the

preciseness of how these things are cut open. It's almost as if they are burned or in some type of way. There's no apparent blood anywhere near where these cows. have basically all their organs taken out in some cases eyes and it almost looks perfectly surgically taken out now oftentimes even in the case of Skinwalker Ranch but many other cases there are so many cases like this in Brazil there's cases like this in Russia I believe they've had instances like this oftentimes as people pay attention they also have very strange UAP type experiences in and around events like this very yes yeah and you talked about

some of these things happen and it looks like they've only been they've almost been surgically burned. Yeah. Well, in this meeting yesterday, they were talking about, and I'm getting off of the subject just for a second. They were talking about, you know, advanced weaponry that we were getting from these things. And we had talked recently about they have found some kind of laser technology through these non-human entities or UAPs. and are trying to re-reverse-engineer them as well. No, yeah. I mean, well, and we've had reports on that for a while.

I mean, you know, there's been people that have reported this seeing a massive, large laser in the middle of the desert that we believe potentially we stole from alien technology or is almost as if there is a plasma laser. And there was, you know, even in the book we talked about the day after Roswell where it was a commanding general, I believe. believe that took over a high position inside the Pentagon that found out a lot of information about what actually was at the Roswell incident. There was even devices or tools that appeared to almost be like a torch type device that appeared to be something like a medical type utensil, but it was some type of alien-like deal. Now, this all came from the Roswell crash recovery. This was based on the book the day after Roswell. I encourage every single one of you to read it, listen to it, whatever you can do. It's an awesome book. And also been very

checked out, highly credible, the individual that did this. And there was also other witnesses around this story that also corroborated his account. Insane stuff. So yeah, I want to get to another clip here for you guys.