Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Virginia Giuffre Suicide | Another Epstein Victim Dead

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

Tonight, we dive deep into the shocking and suspicious death of Virginia Giuffre — the woman who bravely exposed Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, and Prince Andrew. Official reports claim it was suicide, but disturbing details are making people question that narrative. Just weeks before her death, Giuffre was hospitalized after a strange car accident involving a school bus, publicly warned that she was "not suicidal," and faced immense personal turmoil. Now, after years of speaking out against some of the most powerful people in the world, her voice has been permanently silenced — or has it? We break down the facts, explore the timeline, uncover what the media isn't saying, and ask the hard questions:Was Virginia Giuffre's death truly a suicide?Who had something to gain from her being gone?Why are key details being overlooked or dismissed?And what dark parallels exist between her death and others tied to the Epstein network?

Life is a winding road. No telling where it go. Driving through days and nights. Won't stop for traffic lights. Hello and welcome to Investigator's podcast. I'm your host Chad alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. On tonight's episode, we're going to talk about a very, very strange, quote-unquote, suicide. One of Jeffrey Epstein's main victims, one of the ones that spoke out more than anybody else in the Epstein sex scandal.

or I guess you can say sex trafficking, child pedifying, you name it, was Virginia Jew free. And she recently, allegedly killed herself. And this comes like, I don't know, a week or two after she also got involved in a bus accident, which left her almost dead, according to initial reports. But then after those reports came out, there were people that came forward and were like, I don't know if you know the whole story. So we're going to talk about that on the show tonight. The name of this song, by the way, is even if the sky is fallen by

Candy Line, a great group, and whether you like it or not, I don't really care. Anyways, no, I'm just kidding. There are so many people, we always say this. Like, some people are like, I love all your songs, but you never, you know, say who the title is or who the artist is. And there's people like, man, your music sucks. Balls. I'm like, can't help it. You can't make everyone happy, Chad.

No, you can't. I like the music that you pick. So there you go. I do, too. And then also, we have a very, very special guest. that's going to be breaking this down with us this evening. A very good friend to the show, someone that many of you know. And that's Sam.

Sam, welcome the show. Hey, guys. Thanks for having me again. Hey, Sam. Welcome back. Thank you. Excited. This is going to be a good one.

Yeah, you disappeared there for a little while. Actually, she had came in our telegram. I think it was like a week ago. She's like, hey, guys. I was like, where have you been? So, yeah, we're glad to have you back. Sam, do you know a little bit? I guess you've been doing some research on Virginia.

like you've got some theories out there which we're going to talk about but is this a surprise to you that someone connected to Epstein suicided? I mean, of course, Shad, no one would ever kill anyone who had information about elites. That's insane. Yeah, I know. There's no way that would happen. For those that do not know, we have had many episodes about Jeffrey Epstein. So if you want to go back and listen to some of those episodes, I encourage you to do so.

We have talked about the Epstein file. and whether they're going to be released or not. We've even talked about Mike Jeffries, which was the Abercrombie and Fitch CEO, which, although not necessarily 100% directly tied to Epstein in a lot of ways, as far as his sex scandal, he was very prominent, obviously, in Abercrombie and Fitch. If you know anything about that, I remember back in the 90s, early 2000s men, Abercombe, Hollister, all of those massive companies, they appealed to the teens. They appealed to the people I went to school with.

than high school. And, you know, when you would go in the businesses, you would usually have teenagers working there. They all had this freaking same cologne on or perfume, whatever they were selling at the time. They all were wearing the clothes. And then you find out that Mike Jeffries used a lot of his big influence as being the CEO of this massive company to kind of lure younger people into a very similar type of ring like Jeffrey Epstein. And I'm actually pretty convinced that a lot of these guys like, you know, Mike Jeffries and others, they kind of travel in the same packs. I'm guaranteeing you they know each other extensively. And I do know if I remember correctly back in the Mike Jeffries and Epstein had a connection and which is also no surprise. And then

you think about Pete Ditty. There's so much going on here. We're going to talk about that all tonight on the show. It is April the 28, 2025. And before we get into this, I want to go ahead and let everybody I know we have started back up on the substack. So if you do not have substack, I do encourage you guys to go and download the app. Go check us out, investigate Earth with Chad and Sherry. You can find this pretty easy. And we're going to be doing members only podcast episodes over there, videos, articles. I actually just released an article two days ago.

That article is just kind of talking about my journey and faith and all of my confusion and kind of where I came from, where I hope I'm going, which we don't know. And we're going to have a part two on that coming up. very soon talking about Sherry's side of things. And then also we're going to have some audio members only podcasts and maybe even video stuff. Because we do have like, for example, the alien underwater basis off the coast of California. Yep. I did like an hour and 20 minute video breakdown of that.

And so a lot of people are actually going over to substack and saying it's pretty awesome. So thank you guys. We worked decently hard on that. Yeah. And I love the article that you just wrote because it is so personal. And it in a way gets people to know who you are as a person, not just a podcaster. And it was very sentimental to me. And I even said, Chad, send this to my mom.

This is great. I love the way you wrote it. You are a great writer. And it just, I don't know, it really hit my heart pretty hard, especially when you're talking about your childhood. Because, you know, a lot of us have decent childhoods. And a lot of us didn't. Yeah.

And how our journeys go and how we grow through faith. grow and away from faith. But I really enjoyed the article. Yeah, I've had all the above. I've grown with and against and it's an everyday battle. But we are here. And by the way, Sam, thank you for coming on the show and for good reason because I'm going to tell

everybody something. We have been struggling a little bit over the past week with the podcast for various reasons. It's weird because we've done this for seven years. We've talked about so many different subjects. And, you know, we've went from like kind of just being ourselves. to just talking and shooting the shit and just kind of giving our thoughts and opinions on things.

And then we kind of tried to get more formal about stuff to where it's like I wanted to drive information for that hour, hour and a half. And so yes, there was reading in that. You have to read. Obviously, I can't remember everything. Right. And, but it became frustrating. It started getting a little frustrating because sometimes when it wasn't perfect and I think

that I always feel like, you know, I needed to be as perfect as possible. That just puts so much stress on Sherry and I. And then after last night, we tried to get this episode out and it didn't work. And then Sherry called Sam. That was the first person she called. And I sure did. I was like, Sam, help. Yeah.

We need help. Yeah. So we talked to Sam for like an hour. And there was a lot of good points that Sam made. And the reason I'm bringing this up is because I want your guys opinions out there. And I want you to however you can reach us. We have X investigator. That's our main platform we use the most.

But you also have Facebook and Instagram. We obviously have Substack. and once you download substack, you can communicate directly with us in the chat or direct message or whatever. But I want you to tell me if you like this type of version better of our podcast or that more driven informational stuff to where we do talk somewhat, we do play clips, we do also kind of read storylines through things. I want you to tell me because Sam just said, you know, I think what drew a lot of people

to your podcast to begin with is just you guys being yourself, talking about stuff that you already know about, not necessarily, you know, trying to be, I guess necessarily like a, you know, a Fox News journalist because we're not. We're normal people. And so, Sam, I wanted to say thank you for at least given a recommendation. At least the people are going to tell you whether you're right or wrong. Oh, I'm sure that they will. But yeah, I mean, you guys have built like an awesome following over the years.

And I think regardless of how you go, it's going to be successful. But I do think people like that you're relatable. And I mean, you're kind of like all of us. Like, we're all just out here looking into conspiracies. And I think a lot of us listen to you and just, you know, I mean, I know you guys now. But even before that, I just felt like I was like listening to some friends talk on a podcast. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

And that's what I love. And I don't like the frustration when you feel like you have to be perfect. So I think this is a great kind of reset in a way. Yeah, hopefully. Yeah, the great reset is what we're doing here. Yes. It's the great reset 2.0, Chad and Cherry style. and Sam because Sam was Sam's idea.

So if this goes bad, this Sam's fault. It's none hours. I'll never be back again, everyone. You're fired. You're fired. No, so, okay, so let's talk a little bit about Virginia Jew free. Now, she was obviously one of the most outspoken survivors of the Epstein Network, right? And she's dead now.

She allegedly suicided herself. And not only that, I mean, the whole thing. She was one of the biggest fighters. She was a survivor to the Epstein saga. She went toe to toe with some of the most powerful and protected people in the entire world. There's no question about that. I mean, when you think about Prince Andrew and how much power and influence he has, and then you think about also just all the connections that she made, whether it be politicians

or elites in whatever way. Obviously, Prince Andrew is a big time elite. And then she was struck by a freaking bus. and survive. Yeah, and this was like two weeks ago that she was supposedly struck by a bus. Because it's really interesting when you think about the bus wreck and there is the witness who was the guy actually driving the school bus. He said, listen, there's no way this lady ended up in the hospital by this wreck. I barely touched her tail light.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, no, no question. So this is essentially what happened. And she had a bus accident or, well, a bus kind of rear-ended her two or three weeks ago. And it was probably, I think it was like, what, two or three, four days later. She had posted on social media that she only had days to live. Yeah. She was on some type of dialysis.

She posted a picture on her social media, which you guys should definitely go look up. If you have not seen the picture, please do. But the picture shows her, like, beaten and bruised. I mean, it looks like she got ran over by a bus, not like a little fender bender in a bus accident. And she is completely battered and bruised on her face, you know, kind of around her eye, around her nose, everything. Yeah, her chin or chest, you name it. And then she also had some leads hooked up to her. So it looked like she was obviously in the hospital when this picture was taken.

But fast forward a little bit. Once this story kind of got out, the bus driver and including, I think it was like 10 people on the bus. bus came forward and said, we barely even hit this car. I mean, there was minor damage on one backside, I think it was the back right telllight area of the vehicle. And the bus driver, including the witnesses on the bus, said, hey, we never even saw a woman that even resembles who you're even talking about. Even the police department did not necessarily have a connection to Virginia in this

supposed bus accident. So, Sam, do you have any just thoughts? on that in itself. Like, was she actually injured in a bus accident? Was she even present for the bus accident? I mean, what do you think? So this is sort of where my really deep conspiracy theory starts. I'm interested to know if paramedics showed up to the scene of this bus accident.

I don't really know. I haven't actually read what you just said about people saying that she didn't match the description and whoever was in this accident. but, you know, I remember years ago watching something where like a former CIA agent was talking about, like, techniques that they would use. And he was saying that if they're like wanting to bug your house, for instance, they will sometimes stage a fake car accident to like delay you from getting home if they're not out of your house yet. They also take dust with them to like replace any dust that, you know, they've disturbed while they were in your home. And I just remember thinking then, like, that is the most diabolical shit I have ever heard. And ever since then, I have thought, like, if they go into that great of detail to bug someone's home, like, what else are they doing? And so my conspiracy theory on this starts with this bus accident.

And I'm wondering if paramedics showed up. I'm wondering if this accident was intentional. And I'm wondering if she was given something that subsequently led to her condition, worsening, which is how her family describes this. Apparently, the initial accident wasn't so bad, but then within a few days, they said her condition worsened. That's when she ends up hospitalized. Yeah, they said that she had four days to live and that she was in renal failure, which is pretty

much kidney failure. Wouldn't you know something about that? But then it was crazy because the article said, well, this could have saved her life. This accident could have saved her life because she didn't even know she was in renal failure. I 100% agree. and the Western Australian police, by the way, confirmed that there was one recent record of a minor bus accident and collision, but they said there was no reported injuries.

And that was March 24th, just about 3 p.m. And then, I guess, she admitted herself to some hospital in Australia in the northern suburbs of Perth. They say that she had pre-existent injury after the collision, but was discharged the following day. And then the following week, she was brought to the hospital again, also in Perth by ambulance and was seeking treatment for pain. And then three days after the picture came out, which is the picture she posted,

there was some spokesperson that came out and said that she posted this by mistake and had not intended to share that post publicly. So then she was discharged on April 7th. And then the following day, which was April 8th, she was spotted by a photographer where she flipped her middle finger, I guess, at the photographer or something. And so this was, it's a very weird and strange ordeal. And what it sounds like to me at the very least is that they tried somehow to use this bus accident for some of her injuries.

But we don't even know that she was there. We have no idea. And Sam, to your point, talking about the CIA stuff and all of that, I mean, yes, how good they are in certain situations as far as if they're ever in your house or whatever. We actually had a CIA officer on. The show, probably this was back during the Idaho murders, for example. And I just remember asking him. And I said, you know, how would you have done this differently?

Because obviously, Brian Coburger is now being charged with the murders of the four Idaho students. And, you know, he left his ninth sheath there, even though Brian Coburger, which is like, what does he get his master's, I think in criminal science? He's actually going for his doctorate. Yeah. And he was like a fellow, a teacher fellow or what teacher assistant. Yeah, teacher assistant, yeah. So he was very well versed on how all of this stuff works, but yet he left his nice sheet there. And I'd ask, I remember, I asked a CI officer that came on a show during that time.

And I said, what would have been different? And he said, well, number one, like, we would have been a ghost. You would have never known we were ever there? Never in a million years. Would we have ever left any sign that we were there? That is how good we're trained. That is exactly how we know how to do things. Because, you know, when you don't do things the right way and you're in a foreign country,

you know, shit can go bad very fast. And so for this particular case, you have Virginia, which is one of the biggest, I guess you can say advocates against Epstein and for the victims of the Epstein sex trafficking ring. And she's been one of the most outspoken. But the question is, Sam, is like, why would you do this now? Right. She has already spoken out. She's talked pretty openly, even though I don't think she's talked fully in detail about everybody that may have been involved. But a lot of people on the internet that are trying to kind of, you know, push down the rumors that she was killed because trust me, there is this massive movement on social media

from a certain select people. And I honestly think a lot of these are bots, the same way, you know, when Joe Biden was running for president and everybody was commenting on this stuff and you could tell it was bots. And it was all the same shit being said. that's kind of happening now with Virginia. But why would you do this now, Sam? Like what would be the purpose now is the question? Have you thought about that?

Yeah. So the one thing I was reading about her is that what is so significant about her and her testimony is that compared to a lot of the other survivors of the sex trafficking, all of the details that she testified to, they are more highly corroborated than any other victim in terms of like photos, the flight logs. And so I'm thinking that with this possibility of the Epstein files, you know, being further released, which I don't really believe that's going to happen, but I'm sure that they're very powerful people who are very afraid that that's going to happen. I'm thinking that it may further corroborate her story, in which case she may gain,

or may have gained even more attention than she already had. And, you know, Prince Andrew, she's really like the nail in the coffin for his reputation. It seems more so than anybody else. So I think this is just a case of someone who has a lot of information. They've tried to discredit her and been somewhat successful. I mean, no one's went down for this, unfortunately. But I think they're just worried that at some point there may be such overwhelming information and evidence that comes out that somebody's going to have to be taken down.

And she would be a prime witness for that. Well, I mean, look, the royal families never killed anybody before. Like, name one person. Like, just one. I don't know that I could just name just one, but. Well, just one. I mean, I don't know. Like, what's her name?

Diana? I don't know. Maybe Diana. Who knows? But Sherry, go ahead. Well, it's just interesting to me because I was trying to read articles and just trying to figure out what the heck is going on. And I don't feel in my mind that she suicided herself after everything she's gone through

with the Epstein thing, putting Prince Andrew out there, his titles have been taken away from him. Why would you do that now? But I was looking into some articles and I saw that she had been in an abusive relationship with her husband. And she's living with her husband in Australia. And if it's an abusive relationship, is it physically? Is it an emotional? What is it?

If it's a physical abusive relationship, possibly could they be saying that these bruises were a bus accident? And instead it was really your husband beating her up? I don't know. Yeah, but I mean, listen, the one thing about an elite sex trafficking ring that they're not going to get wrong or not know how to do is make sure that they discredit whoever is around you to make it look like, hey, It's probably him. So if the bus accident thing don't go right or the renal failure or something doesn't go correctly, then we're going to accuse the husband of being abusive. However you do that.

I mean, this is what they do. Do you guys think the pictures are real on the People magazine of her bruises? Do you think they're real or do you think it's made up? Are you talking about the recent pictures? I'm talking about from the bus accident when she was in the hospital. I think it's real. Do you think those are real bruises? I think it's real.

but you got to also think about this, the renal failure thing, the kidney failure thing. You know what that makes me think of? Is. COVID? No. What did you say, Sam? I said COVID. No, but what it makes me think of is poison.

Yeah. You know, and also poison can, depending on how it's done and how it's administered, it can affect different things. Some poisons can affect kidneys over liver. Some poison can affect liver over kidneys. And there's also some poison that can cause extreme bruising based on the hemorrhage effect of certain poisons, right, that is being administered. That's very interesting because when I'm thinking about the renal failure, I'm thinking about, well, maybe she is self-medicating. She's taking medicines.

She's taking oipioids. She's drinking over-drinking. She's doing these things. And, you know, over years and years of this abuse and dealing with the abuse and being in the spotlight, maybe she's, self-medicating and that could have led to the the renal failure maybe but I love that's usually but that usually doesn't lead I mean self-medicating usually leads to liver failure over renal failure yeah that would be like cirrhosis of the liver or something yeah not renal failure and listen and so this and by the way this is the last thing I'll say her post six years ago it was a widely

circulated quote and it was paraphrased by but consistent across many sources but her old social media is said if something happens to me it's not suicide i am not suicidal that was uh let's see that was made sometime after epstein's death in 2019 so she said this on social media six years ago six years ago or so and you know everybody saying well that's six years ago a lot can change in six years and i i agree with that but anyways go ahead seven well that kind of this all ties into like what I was thinking when I say that I wonder if paramedics showed up or even just the first visit that she had to the hospital. I was thinking along the same lines as you, Chad, but I was actually just thinking they could have given her like an overdose of some sort of blood thinner, which would have made like even really minor injuries could have caused her to have like all of that excessive bruising that she had. but that also ultimately could have led to renal failure,

which could be what they were trying to do to take her out. Because at this point, I feel like if they're going to suicide somebody, they have to be a little bit more creative. Like there's been too many whistleblowers recently who have just like, you know, shot themselves sometimes more than once in like the back of the head. I think that if this, so we know that Epstein was likely tied to CIA. possibly Massad.

So this is beyond just like dealing with something like Boeing where you have very, very wealthy people who can like have someone off. If you actually have like an intelligence agency with the government who's involved in trying to suicide someone, I do think that they could be super creative. And I think that may have been the intent here was to make it look like it was just some sort of, you know,

like renal failure and not could have been attributed to the accident, could have been attributed to whatever. But another thing that I had like started digging into because I was wondering if this was the case, apparently after this supposed accident and after she was hospitalized, her social media post became really unhinged after that. And I think it is possible that she did kill herself. But I also think it is possible that something was done to her to lead to her killing herself. So essentially instead of them killing her and making it look like a suicide, they did something that actually made her commit suicide.

But what is interesting to me is the only people are the only official report that says she committed suicide was from her family. There's no reports from doctors. There's no report from police. There's no reports from anyone else but her family, which makes me question if it was a suicide and how she actually. actually died because we don't know. I mean, I can say right now, oh, Chad committed suicide and you guys can go report it. But there's no official reports on the suicide. Yeah, I don't want to kill myself, by the way, for everybody out there that wants to know, speaking of which, Sherry, no, I'm just kidding. And then you were talking about social media, Sam, and that's a good

point as well, because here's the thing. Her social media could have also been taken over. We don't know. You know, we don't know. It kind of actually makes me think about. the guy that blew himself up in Las Vegas. You remember the guy that said, hey, the drones, I know what the drones are, all this shit. He was in a cyber truck. He blew himself up allegedly. And, you know, he had a V bid.

So a vehicle-borne explosive or implosive device. He had that. And yet the day after he died, his accounts had access. You know, I think, I think it was a telegram account or something, signal, telegram, whatever it was. There was a login from his account, the very. next day. I think it was maybe the next morning or somewhere around there, meaning that, you know, that's what made people speculate. Like, is he actually dead or, you know, did he fake

his death or did the government log in to his account to do whatever? So we don't know. And governments do this shit all the time. They absolutely 100% do. And go ahead, Sherry. And I was just going to add just a little bit about the family reporting the suicide because she came out and said, listen, guys, if anything ever happens to me, I am not committing suicide, all I need you to do, if I am gone and they basically unalive me, please make sure my family is protected. Thinking about that and her family knowing, if she's not protected, we're not protected, we're scared to death. We're just going to put this report out saying she committed suicide. This is, you know, a sad thing. She's been battling, being abused her whole life.

life, you know, been in the in the limelight of Jeffrey Epstein, a huge pedophile conspiracy going on for years and years. To me, it's as plausible that the family came out with a statement for the people that are after her and after her family to just leave them alone. Yeah. That's very possible. Because, you know, you got to think, you know, if, you know, the family starts asking a lot of questions or whatever the case is.

When you're in this big of a situation, you know, as a family, maybe you do say this. Maybe you're paid off or maybe you're threatened. You don't know. But at the very least, we do know the family actually came out and said, hey, you know what? She did kill herself. This is the way it is. Everybody, you know, it was almost like so soon after this that, you know, they just wanted to kind of hampt down on any conspiracies or any of that stuff.

And so this was six hours ago, by the way, lawyer for Jeffrey Epstein victim, Virginia. reportedly who supposedly committed suicide, and this is what the post says, has cast doubt on the situation claiming she had shown absolutely no signs of warning to harm herself whatsoever leading up to whatever has happened over the past month or two. It seemed like everything went haywire in her health and stuff over the past couple of months. And that's just not typically something that you would find, especially with someone in such prominence with her accusations and not even accusations. I mean,

they're fact at this point. You know, is, is it coincidence or is it not, Sam? I mean, and then think about this too, the social media thing.

Like, they could control her social media. But, you know, she's not the only one that has potentially been suicided by the Epstein, um, kind of saga. I mean,

we've seen this. And like I said, with, even with the Las Vegas thing. Like, what is your thoughts on, is this like who would have killed her, I guess is the big question. I mean, that's that's a great question.

I think there's a lot of people who would have wanted her dead. I mean, that's the thing is without the release of these files, we really don't know for sure who all is entangled in this conspiracy, which is an actual conspiracy. You know, there was like a child sex ring and a lot of people knew it and were participating. That is an actual conspiracy. And so there may be people that we don't even realize.

It also, within these files, you know, may give us information about some of the intelligence agencies that were, you know, implicated in this. But the thing that, I don't know, this is what I keep going back to is there's been a lot of celebrities that people, you know, it looks like they went crazy. And people have theorized over the years that it was not just organic. I mean, Britney Spears is an example. Kanye is another example. You know, Kanye shared messages with Candace Owens between like, I can't remember if it was one of his agents or who it was that basically said, like, you know, we'll lock you up again if you don't comply.

Yeah. So there does seem to be something that they can give to people that kind of makes them go crazy. And so I don't even necessarily think that anyone comment. her social media, I think the best way to make this look like a plausible suicide where her family would genuinely be complicit would be to make it look like she's having a mental break. Like she's going through this divorce. Apparently, there was some sort of restraining order or something that she broke within the last couple of weeks. And all of that would be something that you, even as a family member, even, and like the thing is, she's one of the few people who has

actually written on social media. Like, I'm not suicidal. If I'm killed, if I commit suicide, quote unquote, it wasn't actually suicide. And so I think with someone like that, you really have to go the extra mile to like make sure people are convinced that it's suicide. And what better way to do that than to make her seem like she's spiraling for several weeks before the suicide to the point that even her family would be like, well, I mean, she's been really not acting herself for the past month.

Like maybe all this has gotten to her, the stress of, you know, testifying and, like, advocating for this and she's going through this divorce and this custody battle. I just think that could make it very, it could appear legitimate. And I 100% think that these intelligence agencies have the ability to do something to people that controls their behavior or makes it appear that they have lost their mind. Yeah, I agree. And to that point, by the way, and you had said, there have not been a lot of people that have come out and said, hey, I'm not suicidal leading into or up to Virginia's quote unquote suicide until recently. Now there are Epstein victims that are posting videos after Virginia's death. They're scared.

Yeah. And for example, Juliet Bryant, who says she was kidnapped by Jeffrey Epstein over two decades ago and claims that she met Epstein in Africa while he was with Bill Clinton and is familiar with the Clinton body count. So listen to this clip from one of Epstein. victims. She just posted this video recently after the Virginia death, and this is what she says. Listen. My name is Julia Bryant and I live in Cape Town, South Africa. I was kidnapped by Jeffrey Epstein 20 years ago. I am not suicidal and I never ever will be. I also do not do any drugs.

I met Epstein when he was in Africa with Bill Clinton. We all know about the Clinton body count. Another concerning fact is that one of the main women, a very brave angel, Carolyn, who testified against Gillesne Maxwell, was found dead six months ago. It wasn't in the media until a few days ago. The only reason it was put in the media was because of a very, very brave Epstein victim. She doesn't want to be named. But there are other Epstein victims who've also died suspiciously. Carolyn was a beautiful, amazing brave woman who planned her life on a chicken farm with her family. Instead, she was found dead in a hotel room.

I want to speak out for safety and for other victims because it's very frightening when the victim won't, I mean, the media won't cover any of the victim's stories. A lot of my story hasn't been told in the media, and it's the same with a lot of other victims. And we actually all feel quite frightened with everything that's been going on. And as we know, this is not the first suspicious death related to the evil, Maxwell Empire. They also used to run the media. So maybe that's why

victim's stories are not being told to the media and the victims of Epstein feel very frightened. Please all pray for Carolyn's family. Thank you for listening. Sorry, that was about Carolyn and not Virginia. But yes, she is another

victim that also says, I am not suicidal. I do not do drugs. And that was because Carolyn, the girl she's talking about, was found dead in a hotel room, supposedly from a drug overdose, and she was also another Epstein victim. But that is not the only people. Virginia and Carolyn are not the only people, which we'll get into in just a minute.

But isn't it interesting that she said it, the Maxwell Empire? And I am not one to go against Assad or Israel, but I'm going to toss it to you and Sam. I'm going to toss it because she didn't call it the Epstein Empire. She called it the Maxwell Empire. Yeah, but what did she say at the end of that, Sherry? Why would she do that? What did she say at the end of that clip that is very notable? I don't remember now.

Okay, so the Maxwell Empire, she says, it's no wonder that the media is not. Oh, covering it because they own the media. They own the media. So maybe we need to dive down this rabbit hole and I'm just going to zip my lips and be quiet and let you and Sam take over. Okay, well, let's just talk about this for a second. So, Jisland Maxwell, she was the, I guess many would call Jeffrey Epstein's right-hand woman. She was someone that, I guess, went out and allegedly recruited these women. And she helped make the women, I guess, or the women, I say women, the young girls feel comfortable.

You know, she was someone that was very beneficial to Epstein because, you know, if, say, for example, you have 16 and 17-year-old. girls and in a lot of cases where Epstein would find these these girls were they were broken they were homeless they were you know kids that did not have a good home life that they were either not necessarily on the streets but maybe sometimes runaways or they were doing bad in school they had various ways to find these specific girls the girls that would say hey you know what i'm going to this mansion in florida and there's this woman this very nice lady which is Gislane Maxwell, and I feel comfortable with her. And that's kind of how the groomen started.

It was based on Gislane. But then you think about Gislane. And I think it was either Gislane's father or grandfather. And I could be wrong, which I'll look it up, Sam, whenever you respond to this. But we know for sure that Jeffrey Epstein had ties to the CIA and intelligence. We also for sure know that Jeffrey Epstein had ties to the CIA and intelligence. that Jeffrey Epstein had ties to Mossad. And how do we know that?

Well, that's because Gislan's either father or grandfather was a very, very prominent and well-known Mossad agent. And for those that do not even know what Mossad is, Mossad is the intelligence agency for Israel. And Mossad, although it is in a much smaller country like Israel, Mossad is one of the most advanced intelligence agencies in the entire world. I mean, we're talking about maybe as advanced to the CIA. They work hand in hand oftentimes.

And we even had, I think it was Rashid on back in the day. And he works for the U.S. government. We had him on the podcast. And he actually told a story about when he was in Israel various times because of his position in government in law enforcement and government federal. And even just kind of his story on his interaction with Mossad and like how hardcore they are, even if you are like a top level dude in intelligence or whatever it is in the

government. This is how they treat you. This is how that you, you kind of go through this. It's almost like they kind of control the sphere. But obviously, there's been, you know, these theories, Sam, that, you know, maybe Israel or whoever somebody controls the media. And, you know, and then we also think about, well, what is the reasoning behind the whole Jeffrey Epstein thing? Like, what is the whole purpose of this? For those that don't understand, the whole Epstein, sex trafficking pedophile island deal was for blackmail. It was for blackmail on politicians, on elites, the people that someone want to control and power over.

And so then you have to ask yourself, well, does the CIA, are they setting all of this up? Are they utilizing this for their gain and their power and their control over our politicians? But then you think about the Gislaen Maxwell connection and her father, or grandfather, whatever, to Mossad. And then the Epstein connection, obviously, they were very close. What do you think, Sam? What is your thoughts on just kind of this little overarching structure? Well, it's her father that has possible ties to Mossad, although there was a former Israeli

intelligence agent that straight up came out and said that he was an agent for Mossad. And her father died. He, like, fell off of a yacht and died. Oh, that's weird. It was, like, really suspicious circumstances. And then she moves to the United States shortly after that. And then that's when she gets involved with Epstein. And admittedly, I don't know as much about the details of Epstein as a lot of people do.

That's not one that I, like, dive super deeply into. But I do know that his backstory is also very suspicious. Like, no one quite knows where his money came from. He seemed to have money coming from a lot of really prominent people. He was quote-unquote managing their money. Exactly. And didn't really seem very qualified. Right.

To do so. And then he also, he was arrested in, I want to say like 2005 somewhere in there. And New York, I believe. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. It's been a really long time ago. I watched a documentary about it. But they put him on some sort of like work release.

And basically they pretty much gave him a slap on the wrist. Work release, aka, hey, you're going to Mossad or CIA, bro. Yeah, really. Like, I think he had to show up and stay in the jail for, like, a few hours, basically, a week. And any of the officers that they interviewed about this, they basically were like, this is above our pay grade. Like, we're just doing what we're told to do. So clearly someone, you know, way up was, like, pulling strings so that he, despite, like, the charge that he was convicted, it had something to do with

like underage girls. Yeah, sex trafficking. Yeah, and yet he got like a slap on the wrist. It was just all really suspicious circumstances. So anyway, her father like falls off of this yacht. And I want to say that he had perhaps

like embezzled a lot of money or something. It was just all very suspicious. Then she gets in with Epstein. And then seemingly is using tactics that would have been, used by intelligence agencies when she is going out and, you know, soliciting these girls manipulating them into the situation. And I think it makes sense that these young girls would feel comfortable with a female

that is bringing them into this because typically women are not in the sex trade like that. And then to your point, Chad, they were definitely finding these girls that were from like broken homes. Like Virginia apparently was a runaway. And one thing that I do find very weird about the story is that she was actually approached by Maxwell at Mara Lago. She was working as a massage therapist when she was very young at Marlago. And that's how she got recruited was from there, which I find to be like a real interesting piece of this puzzle. And it is very interesting because she's never gone out and said, hey, listen, Trump raped me. She's never said that.

The cases of her being raped was Andrew three times. And he, you know, in his interviews, I went back and watched them. He's like, I don't even remember this woman. How do you not remember a woman that had sexual, well, not woman, girl, 17-year-old girl, that you had sex with three times? How do you not remember her? Well, it's the same reason that when cops pull over somebody and you got weed in your pocket and they say these jeans are not mine.

Yeah. I put my friend's jeans on. This is not mine. But I'm just saying I think that regardless of where she came from, she was exposing whoever extradfaged her. And I think that she would have exposed Trump if that were the case. This is my opinion. Yeah.

Well, I got a clip that I want to play to you guys because I think this is also very interesting. Patrick Bet David made some connections. definitely got to get some reactions on this. And how coincidental is this? Just listen to this. Oh, my God. Check this. Watch this your time.

Watch this your time. I'm so sorry to interrupt. Okay, go to all the cases he's worked on. Go lower. Go lower. Go lower. Go lower. Go lower.

Go up a little bit. Right there. Right there. Right there. Right there. You will not even believe what I just found. Look at the case you worked on. Look for all the way in the bottom of miscellaneous.

Second line. 2012, 2021, 2022. He was, Capron was presiding judge on mattering relating towards Virginia Gerey and Prince Andrew. Click on that on sexual watch what happens. What happens to the case? Click on the, just click on that's the one. Click right there, zoom in and just go to the top. Yeah.

Papa, Andrew and Andrew reached. And I was the same, so, so, sometimes, something, so on the case was dismissed by the party stipulation in March 22 without going to trial. Prince Andrew. So let me get the straight. case, read the top. Federal Court, Virginia, you know who Virginia juror. I mean, we just talked about her, right? That's right. From Epstein Island. Second son of sexual assault under court, several sexual encounters with Andrew in the early 2000 at the age of 17. After being sex traffic by American financier and convicted by sex offender, Jeffrey Epstein dismissed without going to trial.

Yet Trump's $83.3 million. Wow. Wow. Okay. So what they're saying here. everybody is the same judge in New York, the Southern District of New York, where this case was put into court. The same judge where she said, you know, she was trying to go through the court process with Prince Andrew. She had her case dismissed by the same judge who ruled Donald Trump was guilty of raping E. Jean Carroll. Okay. So this was like an $80 million type lawsuit thing. same exact judge that, you know, awarded her all of that money and saying that Trump's a rapist. Same judge, Southern District of New York, also the same place where Letitia James is, Alvin Bragg, all of the Trump lawfare.

Every single part of the Trump Lawfare where they've tried to, well, they did convict him of 34 felonies and all this BS. These judges up there were protecting Prince Andrew against victims of. Bepstein. Isn't that insane, Sam? I mean, I think it's just par for course. Like all of these people are protecting each other. There's definitely judges that are basically just for hire. It seems like New York is really like a hotbed for this too. There seems to be a lot of people in New York higher up that are paid off. And I mean, how easy is it if you own part of the judicial system to be able to, be able just to do whatever you want to do. I mean, that's the whole point of the way our system works in the United States.

You know, you're supposed to have due process. But if that's corrupted, then there's, where do you go from there? Yeah. You know? Well, do you guys remember Pizza Gate? Do you all remember this? Oh, absolutely. Yes.

Okay, so Pizza Gate was this big deal. Anthony Weiner, Podesta emails, the whole nine. And allegedly it also tied and brought in the Clintons into this. Yes, right? And then you think about the frazzle drip deal. If anybody's ever looked that up. And that just sounds nasty by itself. Frazzle dip.

Well, it is. But frazzle drip is, and I'm going to try to explain this in the most light softcore way I possibly can. Frazzle drip is essentially this theory, conspiracy theory, guys, nothing more. I mean, we know that most. conspiracy theories are just bullshit, right? But Frizzledrip was in Pizza Gate also. This is all tied kind of together is that they had this place to where these elites, these very powerful politicians would come together and they would have kids in their presence

and they would potentially do very horrific things to these kids. I'm talking about, you know, you might be thinking, Oh, horrific is in like, you know, having sex with them or whatever. No, we're talking way worse. I mean, we're talking, we're talking adrenachrome stuff. And if you don't know anything about adrenachrome, think about like adrenaline. Think about blood. Think about there's a lot of evil people in this world.

And by the way, this has been happening for thousands of years. Even in the book of Enoch, where. The book of Enick talks about, sorry, sorry guys, I'm saying it again. But even in the book, it talks about how the watchers and the Nephlam would utilize children's blood for their youth, for their power, for their whatever. And there's a lot of evil people in this world that worship this kind of otherworldly God that believe in this stuff. And so the Pizza Gate thing and the Frazzle Drip thing and all this stuff.

And allegedly, there are videos. out there that confirm this. I have seen some of the stuff. I, you know, this was even before AI happened. There were, I think, if I'm not mistaken, also allegedly seven or eight police officers that actually worked this case, it all ended up dead in New York City. And I do have a quick video and we're going to talk about this on the backside. This is Ian Carroll and Joe Rogan talking about Pizza Gate.

Was it real? Was it not? Is it just one big conspiracy theory? because it was not long after Pizza Gate and that whole theory came out, something happened. And of course, it was just coincidental that this happened. Listen. Stuff like Pizza Gate. Like when they had that guy come in and fire up that shot, I felt like that was a great way to put a halt to all the looking into the pedestrian emails.

Because then all of a sudden it's a kook thing. Now it's a crazy person and a dangerous person because he's got a gun. You're causing dangerous people to take their guns. Just like with the vaccines, it's like you're, it's a danger. They always have to make it dangerous, right? Yeah. It's dangerous to say that this might have side effects, right? Because if you read those emails.

Exactly right. Those emails are bananas. They're not explained. They're talking about young kids who are going to be coming to a party to have fun. They'll be in the pool and hot dogs. For sure. $65,000 worth of hot dogs flown from Chicago for a White House party? The whole thing is like very weird.

Did you ever see the archived Instagram posts from James Aliphantus's Instagram? No. Because that's a dark place. So there's so many layers to Pizza Gate that they tried to cover up intentionally for very good reason. Well, how about the logos? Well, the thing is I avoid, and the way I've talked about it, I've avoided all the symbols and logos and even some of the pizza stuff because I think there's so much more ripe, clear evidence. that is way more powerful. And James Alifoncha's Instagram account is a great example where...

Can you find it online? So you cannot find it on Instagram anymore. It's only been archived onto other sites, which is kind of sketchy because it's like, how do I know you're not adding photos and stuff? So you kind of have to dig and dig and dig and cross reference over and over and make sure that you're getting sort of like the consensus because everyone watched as it happened. So people like Liz Croke and people like Alex Jones, like they saw these things come out.

And you can find plenty of different archives of all of James Alfonches's Instagram posts and there are things like photos of children with their arms taped to tables and the caption is looks like a fun time and then people that have always been commenting on his posts like the people that are interacting with his posts all the time have even weirder instagrams where it's like kill room and there's a coffin that's open and things like that there's like a photo of like a walk in freezer and it's like man looks like you've been having a fun weekend things like that that are just super dark and a bunch of babies and a bunch of symbolism a bunch of children and it's all photos on their Instagram in plain day, like daylight. And that's all got scrubbed, obviously. And that's not to mention Podesta's art collection and the Marina Abramovich connections. It goes on and on and on and on and on. Yeah. And we're talking about the Clintons with the Haiti scandals, with the cocaine in Arkansas.

It's like the thing is that we sound crazy. I sound crazy to someone that doesn't do their own research because you just start, there's so many layers of like crazy shit that's happened with some of these people. Yeah. That if you don't know the history. of a person like Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton, it's really easy to think, oh, that's just so insane that you would think that they would be involved in it. And first of all, they frame it in the articles about Pizza Gate. They say Hillary Clinton was the mastermind of a global pedophile sex trafficking ring all headquartered in this pizza shop, which is not what anyone ever claimed.

Right. So as soon as you can discredit that, you discredit the whole thing. Classic frame job, which Nancy Pelosi explains very well, where you make a false claim and you say that's what they're saying. and then you discredit the false claim. There you go. And so there's the clip. And what he's saying here is there was a guy that showed up to the ping pong pizza or whatever it was called.

And he shot a round from an AR-15, of course, through the window. And this was the one thing media needed to completely destroy the whole Pizza Gate narrative. They said, look, we got to quit talking about this. These are conspiracy theories and you're going to get someone killed if you don't stop talking about, you know, these elites in elite pedophile rings because look who look what's happening someone's showing up and shooting through a window where there are kids here and that was all they needed everything was gone all social media accounts any mention of pizza gate any mention of frazzler drip any mention of any of

that shit was gone and it was because they knew exactly what to do unless you utilize a little dude shooting something through a window and then blow that up on social media and mainstream media and everything else, and then all of a sudden, the problem of Pizza Gate goes away. Do you believe people are really that evil, guys? Do you all believe that? Yes. Okay. 100% yes.

I was actually going to bring up what you just played. I couldn't remember where I heard it, but I was going to bring that up that, you know, that was very much like a cover story. It was just a way to discredit that the place that the guy went to had nothing to do with anything. but for anyone who's just paying attention like very peripherally to these stories, they're just like, oh, this is some wacko conspiracy theory. And then they hear a guy went in and shot up a beats a place. And they're like, look at these crazy people.

And then they won't even entertain learning anything else about the rest of the information, which is very interesting. And in Joe's words, bananas. Those emails, there's no way anyone could actually read those emails and say they were talking about what they said they were talking about. None of it makes sense. It is so strange. And I was just, I had this thought while you're playing that.

I don't know if y'all remember this or not, but this was right around the same time, probably like 2018, 2019. There was this scandal with Wayfair. Yes, I wrote it down, Sam. I wrote down Wayfair right here. Yeah, about like the, what were they like? It was showering. Yeah.

It was like shower curtains that had little kids' names, or it was, they were showing, like, shower curtains that could be $18,000, for example, and this is Jonathan or whatever. Yes. Yeah. There was also these pieces of furniture. Yes. That, like, had been, they all had names of young girls, and they were exorbitantly priced. It'll be like, like, Sherry said, it was like $25,000 for this piece of,

Wayfair furniture, but you couldn't purchase it directly from the site. You had to like contact someone to be able to purchase it. And that, I remember that hitting like social media and then it was gone within just a few days. Yes. I remember that. I went on Wayfar. I saw this. Like it was very, very strange.

And I don't know how Wayfair's platform works. I'm assuming they must allow like third party sellers or something kind of like Amazon does. But it definitely seemed like someone was like lawn. people like trafficking people kids through this site yeah I mean it wasn't just and it wasn't I'm sorry it wasn't just little girls it was little boys too little boy names yeah no it absolutely was

this shit happens no it absolutely was and that's what's so crazy is the way for a thing yeah it was huge and then everyone's like oh my god this since you know this huge conspiracy theory is nuts no one believes this stuff and that's what they want to do and and you know keeping also in mind they've done this for a long time If there was anything that people started getting on the hot trail of, they would just label it a conspiracy theory and it was over.

I mean, we saw this during COVID. We saw this during so much other shit. I mean, you know, when when Biden was out there and he, you know, was obviously senile, this guy could not carry a sentence at all. And then they would say that so many of the videos we were watching of Biden not being able to speak was deepfakes or were some, or they, they could. called them cheap fakes yeah cheap fakes whatever the hell that is you know they the media always wants to manipulate what they want you to believe but i go back to this also 65 000 worth of hot dogs

they also had thousands of dollars worth of pizza that were delivered and i think obama at that point in time was a part of this party they had um so it was you know 65 000 and then at one point in time they were even talking about it almost got too real in some of these emails because they were literally saying age seven 12 and like 14 i mean they were literally saying ages on some of these emails and it was so obvious to where it was like okay well this sounds pretty damn interesting and this is how kind of the whole pizza gate uh pizza saga thing started the podesta emails once they were leaked and then you got to even go back to the Hillary Clinton emails where there were you know I think it was like 60,000 emails that she was using on a private server, private email.

The reason she was doing that was because anything in government server, you can FOIA. And if you FOIA stuff, you might be able to find out information you don't want to or they don't want you to find out. So that's why she used these private servers because whatever they were doing, which we still don't 100% fully know what they were doing. We know that Obama's on the email chains, Podesta, a lot of those big name people. And then it got to the point where once it was found out, she was using private servers for whatever reason.

She acid washed it. She burned them, broke them, did whatever they could. And we'll never know what was on those particular emails. But if this is a pattern, which I think it is a pattern with elites for some reason and some reason these elites gravitate towards children and young adults. It's just crazy because you think about what you were talking about earlier, Chad, apricominy and Finch. During that podcast,

we exposed that his fountain of youth was youth blood. Yeah. He would almost get like transfusions to try to get the youth to not age or whatever. So in my opinion, and you go back to Bohemian Grove, all their crazy rituals that they do with blood and all that stuff too. In my opinion, I think elites have this thing with youth blood and being pedophiles and blackmilling each other for it. Well, in biblical times and in biblical text and historical text, it often talks about a lot of the demonic watchers, the nephalums, though, you know, the, you know, the, um, I guess you can say fallen angels and kind of how they influenced the people. Oftentimes they sacrificed babies.

They sacrificed kids. This was their thing for, this was thousands of years ago. And not only that they sacrificed kids, it's not like they just wanted to kill kids. They wanted to utilize their blood because they felt like that their blood meant youth. And it was eternal life through the blood of kids and through the blood of youth.

And so it's so strange because whereas you're reading some certain sections of like the book of Enoch or, you know, biblical references to some of this demonic evil shit that happens, you know, it's still happening today. There is a faction of people that still believe that. And it's like, you know, I think about it all the time. It's like, is it just actual evils grasp on humanity that has always been here that is telling these people to do this? And I've even thought about the scientific side of this. Like is adrenachrome from kids? And by the way, when I say adrenachrome, what that actually means just for a reference. And this is, you know, it's graphic, but I'm going to try to not be graphic.

But if you put a kid in a situation and to where it is a very horrific thing that happens to them. And then somehow you get that blood or whatever it is. Is it like a blood transfusion? It can be, it can be various things. But when you expose them to torture or some kind of extreme stress. Oh, yeah. They have to get their adrenaline going. adrenaline pumping in order to supply whatever they're looking for.

Adraintrachrome. Okay. Gotcha. Yeah. And that goes into the bloodstream. And so there's a lot of people that believe that that's the thing. I mean, these are evil people we're dealing with guys. I mean, this, I mean, Sam, this sounds like a conspiracy theory. But, I mean, have you ever looked into the adrenochrome stuff?

I mean, we don't have to go crazy in a detail. But do you think this is actually maybe happening? Yeah. And even thinking about the elites in Hollywood that go into like these parties with all these, like cakes that look like open intestines and blood and, you know, and they're enjoying it. Yeah. Yeah, I can't think of her name. There's like this weird lady that would have these dinner parties.

Yes, the devil-dicker lady. Yeah, and they would, like, she made like these, like an artistic display that would appear that they were like eating people. I don't know. it's just, it's really strange to me the way that it does seem like the elites always end up in these like weird pedophile situations. And I think some of it is used for blackmail. I think with Epstein, for instance,

you know, they tended to get these girls that were pretty close to 18. And I think they probably lied to a lot of these politicians and, you know, different prominent figures and told them that these roles were older. And then after the fact, we're like, whoopsie toipsy, you just had sex with a child. But then there is a whole other category of these people that it seems to me, once you have so much money, like what are you really going to do with that money?

Like there's only so many things that you can buy. I mean, that's how we end up with like Bezos is like making quote unquote rockets. Yeah. But then there's like the power that's tied into that. And I think like an ultimate form of power is to have power. is to have power over something that's incredibly innocent, like a child. And I think that whatever that form of evil is, I don't know if these people get sucked into this world.

You know, once they do gain so much wealth and they start to be around these quote-unquote powerful people, if this is just sort of like a natural tendency that they get sucked into. But there's definitely something to it. Now, in terms of the adrenochrome, I've never went down that rabbit hole so much, because that one, I'm not saying that it's not true, but it's just one that seems so far-fetched that I think it immediately, like,

puts people off so that they won't listen to the other parts of this, which I feel are very substantiated. But yes, I've read about it. I do know about, like Sherry said, they do have to put them in situations to where they do have, like, an adrenaline rush, and then supposedly something about, I mean, your body chemistry does change when you're in, like, a fight or flight state. And the theory is that, like, if you were to take the blood of a child who's had this, you know, triggering adrenaline, adrenaline rush, fight or flight response, that it is somehow better than, I guess, the blood of just a calm child.

I don't know. Either way, it's freaking bizarre. And if there's any truth to it at all, I don't know that adrenophrone would actually do anything for anyone. But do I think there's some crazy people out there who think that it may and would do that to children with the assumption that it is doing. something for them. Yes, I do think there are people crazy enough out there that are doing shilling that. Yeah, and keep in mind, you know, Alice Jones had posted something the other day, which he's

kind of got a little bit of shit on, which is kind of funny, but he was saying, you know, everybody wants to investigate Virginia's quote unquote suicide. And they want to investigate the Epstein files. They want to make sure the Epstein files are out, even though I don't know if that's true. But, you know, according to Alex, they're working night and day on trying to get all these files out. because from what we understand is that the Epstein files have went through into various FBI offices across the nation for them to sparse out things to put stuff out there as much as they possibly can get it back to the DOJ so they can actually have a release and also be able to redact victims names. But the interesting thing was Alex said, I think what we really need to be doing, if you want to save kids right now from this shit, we know that we have 300,000 kids. kids that went missing over Joe Biden and Kamala Harris's term across our border.

Those are 300 and something thousand kids that we have no idea where they're at. And it could literally what we're talking about right now, whether it's the sex trafficking, the child sex trafficking, the elite stuff, even maybe as deep as what we were just talking about. We could be saving these kids, but we just literally over the past four years fed them. We fed them to the evil beings that are on this earth. I mean, and I'm telling you, there are evil beings like that. They traffic kids.

They treat kids like shit. I guarantee you right now, as you guys are listening to this episode, there are kids in like dungeon type environments to where they have maybe no food. They don't have very much water. They don't have very much anything. They are literal like like Sherry, how you explained and how we talked about the Beagle experiments and labs. I mean, I do believe there are probably kids. in those environments ready for the sex trafficking ring to be used by the elites. And this, I'm telling you, I think the elites outside of just blackmail, they use this

stuff as sacrifices. Oh, yeah. And this goes to my next question I want to pose. Do you think it's because they're in occults? You think about Alex Crowley, Crowley, for example. Alistair Crowley, yeah. Yeah, you think about all these occults that even like Scientology is gone from. You think about all these elites that are in these different things.

They're not in like regular religions like Jewish or Christian or Muslim. Oh, you bring up Jewish first. Sorry, Christian or Jewish or Muslim. Anything. I'm saying could this be because of the cult and the fact that this is a way to sign your soul over when you're in an occult? Well, listen, but here's the thing. To that point, yes, I do think it is. but I don't think the people that are actually trafficking these kids are necessarily in some type of cult or some type of demonic type of thing.

I think a lot of these sex traffickers are in it for the money. They make shit tons of money, especially when you have politicians, elites, government entities that are giving you any amount of money possible. I mean, look at what we just found out about USAID and the amount of money going to the craziest, dumbest shit you can possibly imagine. But imagine if there are evil people in this world that are willing. willing to pay top dollar for kids that are now missing. We have no idea where these kids are. I think those people are probably in some type of demonic type shit. But I don't necessarily, I mean, even though the people that are trafficking to these people,

they're the ones making the money. Well, they're making a lot of money. But I think the end game, the end destination for these kids are unfortunately likely in a place of very demonic nature. Sam, what do you think? I've actually thought about this before that I don't I don't even think it's always the kids

that are missing. I mean, if you think about it, if these pedophile rings have been around for decades, if not centuries, which I'm sure they have, imagine how many of these girls were trafficked and then had children. And then these children, no one ever knew they even existed.

There's probably an entire network. there may be generations of people who are completely off the map, off the radar. You know, no one ever knew they were born. You know, these kids could be killed. Nobody would, they're not missing at that point. No one's looking for them. No one even knows that they exist. Yeah.

And it goes back to the thing about like having ultimate power. I mean, imagine if you basically own these children, you know, you traffic someone. you have them produce a child and no one ever knows it's born. You basically own a horde of children. And I definitely think, I don't think that's the most prominent part of like the Epstein situation, but I do think that stuff happens also. I think the Epstein situation was more of like an intelligence operation

to blackmail a lot of people. I agree. there's definitely somebody's blackmailed. Like, Sherry, I know this is a sensitive topic for you, but like, to me, this has nothing to do with the Jewish people. This has everything to do with the Israeli government. There is a weird relationship that we have with Israel. And they basically, like, own us.

To be such a tiny nation state, the influence that they have over the United States is wild. And I had no idea about this until I, October 7th. And like Candice Owen says, after October 7th, Israel was like, hey, we want the whole world to pay attention to us. She's like, and then we started paying attention, and we didn't really like what we saw. And that's very true. I'd never really looked into the relationship between the U.S. and Israel. And then once I did, I was like, this is insane. And it's there, we operate with them. Like, our dynamic with Israel is that of someone being blackmailed. Like, there is no other explanation to me why we have.

have why we are so heavily influenced. Do you think it's because of APEC or why do you think we're so heavily influenced? Well, APEC is definitely one reason. Yeah, like, I mean, APEC, like, that's a whole weird backstory that, you know, that's basically a foreign lobby, but they don't have to register that way. And like, JFK was actually really pushing for them to have to register as a foreign lobby. And then, you know, conveniently, like, he didn't get to do that anymore. but yeah what happened to JFK remind me again

I don't think he made it I don't know I don't think so he took like this ride in Dallas and never went back home and by the way his his brother also was trying to get a PAC or Israel to to register as a foreign entity I have to agree this this is the facts and I can't disagree with facts yeah and to me this has nothing at all to do with religion like be that you know that's not even his real name. He changed his name. He's like Eastern European, I think. He's like Polish. And yeah, and I think that like we've talked about this before. I don't remember if it was on a podcast or it was on Telegram. But I was saying that it would be easy to commandeer a movement. And if the wrong person commandeers it, then it could really go sideways. So, I mean, you may have

this peaceful religion being Judaism. And then we have the state of Israel that's created to like give a home to these people. But if you have the wrong person that gets in control of that and people start following the wrong person, you can really go off track. And I think that that's what's happened. I think Bibi Netanyahu is not at all a good person to say the very least. But we interact with them in a way in which someone who's being blackmailed would interact with somebody else. Like we we interact with them as if they have control over us. But it doesn't really make any sense because they technically do not. You know, we're much larger.

Our military, I mean, we basically are supplying their military. Like, they would not be what they are without us. And yet we kowtow to them, like they have dirt on us, basically. Right. And with the way that, you know, Mossad and CIA interact so closely, to your point, what's the guy's name that was on? Is it Rashid? Is that his name? Rasheed, yeah.

Yeah, you know, like you were saying, he was talking a lot about that, that, you know, Mossad is like right up there with CIA. And they work hand in him. hand. And imagine the information that they have about our intelligence agencies. I think if they were to disseminate that to the American public, it could be a real problem because I think there's a lot of things that are happening that we are not supposed to know about. And I think that they were also tied into this Epstein ring because I do think this was all blackmail. And I agree too. And I just, I'm going to do a quick point because Chas, like, I got to get this out. But I have to agree with what

your sediment is because before October 7th happened, nobody in Israel wanted him there. They were trying to get rid of him. Right. Ni'i not who, whatever. I never can say his name right. Nia not who. How do you say it? No, just don't even try it.

Nea not who. No, that's right. No. Nobody wanted him there. And the reason. You're not a real Jew. See, I don't know. Well, I'm just saying.

And I think the only reason he's still a leader of Israel is because of October 7. Absolutely. Well, we've talked about that. And also, by the way, this is not going to be an Israel like podcast, but I do want to say something. And because I think this maybe matters. You know, as I've been digging and I actually had said, I think on the last podcast about where I thought the Antichrist was going to come from. So anybody that, you know, knows anything about the Bible or Antichrist. This is where I think the Antichrist is going to come from. Number one, I think it's coming from Israel. And so what I'm saying with that is, is that growing up and listening to my mom's doomsday shit, all the stuff that was on the TV all the time. And all of the stuff that mom was trying to figure out who was the antichrist. Mom was like, you know, growing up like 12, 13, 14 years old. It's like my dad was just raising hell usually in the background or something crazy was going on. He's probably throwing things out the window. Or whatever.

Yeah. Sometimes if it was Christmas and he got pissed off a Christmas slice, the tree was going out of the front door. But yet, mom, you know, she would get through all that stuff. And then, you know, at night, she'd be listening to whatever preacher. And she's like, Chad, I think that the Antichrist coming from Spain or somewhere like that. Yeah, that's what I've always thought too. I think we're getting on. I think we're getting to the point of this.

And listen, Sam, this is the way his mom actually talks. No, she does. But she's got this cute little voice when she talks. She does. So I was always like, mom, all right. well, when you figure out where the Antichrist come from, you just let me know. And so that way, you know, that way at least when all the shit breaks down and everything

goes to hell, we'll know who the Antichrist is. But mom was always on this journey. But I did used to listen to these evangelical in times preachers. And they never once mention Israel. Not in a million years. Yeah, it's always like Spain, right? No, not in a million years. But listen, I've only been literally doing like heavy research on this for like two months.

and I already know where the Antichrist has come from. It's Israel. I mean, I 100% believe that. And I'll tell you why is because, and this is, I'm going to read this for a second, but there is a belief among many Christian scholars, especially in older Catholic and Protestant traditions, that the Antichrist will be Jewish or at least be accepted by the Jews as their Messiah. Now, keeping in mind, guys, for those that don't know anything about Jewish religion, they

do not believe Jesus is the Messiah. They do not believe he's a Savior. they are still waiting on the Messiah. So the Bible in Daniel 9, Matthew 24, 2, and the Loshans 2 and Revelation 13, talk about the Antichrist making a covenant with many, setting up an abomination in the temple, which is the temple in Israel, okay? So this would be the third temple. They've already had two destroyed, which Jesus said would be destroyed, and then they have

to build another one. But when they do build this new temple, then there will be someone that comes in, sets up an abomination, and they will deceive Israel and the world. And it's, and what abomination is, it's like an idol. So essentially, they will set up this figure, this statue in this temple. And it'll be of them. It'll be of them for the Israeli people to worship. It's not the cow, is it, or whatever? No, no, it'll be of them. No, it'll be of this person. And this person will have to be trusted by Israel, though, because there's going to have to be someone that comes along that does this. And likely this person may actually be the one that starts to build the temple back.

So the third temple is not yet. There are plans. There are groups of people that want to build this temple still. This is the, this is actually, if you think about biblical stuff, and I don't want to go too deep, but this is the last, I think the last prophecy for the end time. Yeah, when that temple is built, we're screwed. When the temple's built and then this, this person comes. in puts a statue in here, an idol, and then he declares himself as the Messiah to the Jews, this is the Antichrist. And so the only way that this person could bring on all the Jews probably is that he's going to be a Jew.

So my point to this is that when you talk about stuff like A-PAC and the influence over the United States, well, you have to understand that the United States is one of the most powerful. It is probably the most powerful nation in the world. And so who do you really need on your side, especially if you're going to, going to bring in the Antichrist at some point in time, if you believe in the Bible, but you bring in the Antichrist, you bring on this one world government, this new world order, this global governance system. You have to at very least have control and power or influence over the United

States, which is the number one most powerful nation in the world. And so whereas some people might be out there and saying, well, I don't even believe in the Bible. Fine. Let's just see how shit plays out for like 10 or 15 years. Because I think that I'm right. And I do. just don't understand, though, why so many Christian evangelists I have listened to for years has never once even mentioned Israel. Well, they always say, they feel untouchable. No, they've never once mentioned Israel. How does no evangelist talk about the fact that potentially the Antichrist is going to come

from Israel? I don't get it. But that goes back to the point of the Epstein thing. If he did have influence with Mossad and the CIA, whoever, and we're not blaming us on Israel necessarily. We're just saying that there's something weird to your point, Sam. And we don't know exactly what that weirdness is, but the very least, we know that there is something strange going on.

Now, I do want to briefly talk about that Virginia is not the only person that has died at the hands and in around Epstein. Yeah. And we first and foremost have to say, do you guys believe that Epstein killed himself? Yes or no. Absolutely not. Sam? Definitely not.

No. And actually, I was thinking about this yesterday when we were talking about doing this podcast. You know, that was back in 2019. So that was like before COVID. I feel like this country really went nuts when COVID happened. Like we were very divided before that. But it was like a whole new level of division once they got people terrified to die. And then, you know, you could tell which political party someone was affiliated with.

If they had a mask on or not. like it got really crazy. But even before that, we were still divided. And yet when Epstein quote unquote killed himself, if you all remember, that became such a meme. It's like people would be talking about something completely irrelevant. And then at the end they would be like,

and Jeffrey Epstein did not kill himself. And it was not partisan. It was everybody. The left, the right, everybody was like, this dude did not kill himself. We all were in agreement that he definitely did not kill himself. I don't know.

I've ever talked to anyone who actually thinks that he did. Yeah, I agree. Because I don't think they did. I mean, you had conveniently, he was in a suicide cell. The cameras quit working. The logs quit working. He supposedly had 24-hour surveillance, right? Yes.

But yeah, everything quit working on that day. And it was the cameras. It was the logs. It was everything. It was like perfectly timed. And even the medical examiners came out and said, look, we don't think that this dude killed him. himself like, you know, like they say he did.

None of the stuff in the medical examiner's report points to this until they got a new medical examiner and said, well, yeah, this all looks very, you know, it looks exactly how someone would hang themselves. That's essentially what happened. Someone brought in a medical examiner and they said what they wanted them to say. But besides that, there are, here's all the deaths surrounding Jeffrey Epstein. so far Virginia obviously who we're talking about now Jeffrey Epstein who we just talked about then you got Jean-Luc Brunel he was a French modeling agent and close associate of Epstein

Bernel was found dead by suicide in his Paris prison cell in February of 2022 he was awaiting trial in charges of raping minors and trafficking girls for Epstein so he was awaiting trial meaning he was going to go to trial and start talking and guess what he hung himself then you got Carolyn Adreniano. Now, she testified against Epstein and Maxwell, and she died of a drug overdose in Florida on October 23. And that's the lady that the other lady was talking about that was in the hotel. Yes.

Now, she had been abused by Epstein starting at age 14 and struggled with substance abuse in the years following, according to reports anyway. And then you have Stephen Hoffenberg, a former financier and Epstein's early business mentor, Hoffenberg was found dead in his Connecticut apartment in August 2022. Authorities believe he died of natural causes, though his body was discovered about a week after his death. And then the very, very, very interesting one was Mark Middleton. He was a former aide to President Bill Clinton.

Middleton was found dead in May of 2022 in Arkansas with authorities ruling his death a suicide. Now, he had been associated with Epstein through flight logs, visitor records, which indicated that he had facilitated Epstein's visits to the White House during the 1990s. And then Middleton's death fueled many conspiracy theories and speculations surrounding this case. Now, here's the deal with Middleton. Middleton's body was discovered hanging from a tree with an electrical cord around his neck and a gunshot wound to his chest. So think about that.

He was hanging from an electrical cord in a tree. and a gunshot wound to his chest. And initially reports indicated there was no weapon found at the scene. That's where all the reports were coming out. No weapon found. And then all of a sudden, a weapon was found. So then there was a subsequent investigation revealed that there was a Stoger 12-gauge shotgun that was located approximately 30 feet from his body.

Authorities believe that after discharging the firearm, his chest or into his chest, the recoil launched this shotgun. 30 feet away. So that is always so ridiculous to me. That's like when you watch movies and someone shoot someone like this like back in like, you know, the 70s and 80s and the person goes like flying backwards. Yeah.

Like that does not quite literally make sense, like make physical sense. No. Because, you know, every action has an equal and opposite reaction. And so for that to be the case, if that shotgun went 30 feet away, it would have like blown him out of the tree. No, absolutely. I mean, it would have. I mean, but how do you even, you know, okay, first of all, you put a electrical cord around your neck.

And then what, you're just holding the shotgun and I'm like, well, the same, the same, this is too long. So I got to shoot myself in a chest. It just doesn't make sense. And none of that shit makes sense. I do want to play a very quick clip and we're going to talk about this because we go a little further in detail about Mark Middleton. Listen. unless you know the Clint's. Yes.

Unless you know some shit. Yes. Unless you know some shit about old Bill. And then you wind up shooting yourself in the chest while hanging from an extension cord. Wait, did that happen? Oh, yeah. You don't know that guy? Shot himself in the chest.

Joe, that seems really hard to do. With a shotgun. How do you do such a thing? While you're hanging. This is a guy that brought Epstein to the White House at least seven times. What's his name? We'll find out. So they found him at a ranch 30 minutes from his house hanging by an electrical cord from a tree with a shotgun wound to the chest.

Shotgun discovered near the body, a former Clinton aide Mark Middleton, and then they called it a suicide. Wow. 12-gauge shotgun was 30 feet from the body of Mark Middleton, was he found dead. Okay, so who, okay, who orchestrates this? Is this the same thing where does Clinton go, hey, this guy needs to go, or do the powers that be around a powerful person go, we already know what needs to happen? Well, I think they know if a dude is in contact with someone or has been talking or is about to talk. I mean cooperating with the feds or something. I don't think any of those guys have clean phones.

I don't think any of those guys don't have their houses bugged. I don't think any of those guys aren't tracked. Look how excited that guy is in the back. Yeah. If you're a guy that brought Jeffrey Epstein to the fucking White House to see Bill Clinton seven times, and all this Epstein shit is going down and Galanes in jail and you have information, there's people on both sides, right? There's the people on the right that are trying to nail the people that are on the left with this.

There's people that are journalists that are trying to nail the people that are involved in this. This is it. Yeah, yeah. And they've managed to keep that fucking list from coming out, which shows you how powerful certain people are. That should show you a lot. That should be terrified. The fact that Galane Maxwell's in prison.

She's in prison for sex trafficking, and yet no one's been accused of buying any of that pussy. No one's been accused of having sex with these underage girls that she is in jail for supplying. Yeah, that is crazy. All right. So that was Joe and Andrew Schultz talking about. Mark Middleton. That's who he's talking about here. And as we were talking about and discussing, dude hangs itself from a tree supposedly with a extension cord or a electrical cord and then shoots himself in the chest. This also made me think about this though, Sam, when he's talking

about like, is either someone about to talk or whatever? What if that because of the Biden-Harris administration and the subsequent, I guess, groups before and maybe even Trump because he was heavily influenced during his first term. But what if because of Cash Patel and Pan Bondi and all of these big time people that Trump has appointed into his cabinet that they started talking to Virginia? Like, have you thought about that? To where it's like, hey, we want your help. We want to know everything because we want to prosecute people.

And maybe that's what led to this quote unquote suicide. Yeah, it's possible. I mean, I also think that, you know, that when you have somebody that has information that if it gets out, you're busted. The first tactic is always to discredit them, which has been a lot easier to do up until the last, you know, five to 10 years when social media became a thing. because, you know, one thing about Robert Maxwell, the father, he was like a media mogul of some sort. And so that's what that lady was referring to when she says that they own the media. And we all know that at least we all know now, I don't think we always knew this, but the media is just straight propaganda. Yeah.

And the people that own the media, they just put out whatever message they want. but they also don't put out messages that they don't want out there. So you could know the most incriminating shit about anybody, the most high up people in the world. But if you don't have a platform to say it, there's not, no one's ever going to hear you. You're never going to get loud enough. It's never going to make a difference.

You're just going to look like a crazy person. But now that we have the internet, and especially now that we have X, which is kind of like the Wild West more or less, these people can gain traction. And so if you have somebody like her who not only survive this, not only is willing to come forth, because that's another thing is a lot of these people are afraid.

You know, a lot of these women will not speak publicly. And that's actually another thing about Virginia was that she has been responsible for getting a lot of the other women to come forward. So she's like a really big problem for them. Or at least she was. She's not anymore. But it's like she wasn't just one person.

person. You know, she was sort of like spiderwebbing this out and bringing in all these other women. You know, she was a real issue for them. And now that we have social media where the mainstream is no longer controlling the narrative, they're no longer controlling the information that's, you know, going out. It's really hard to discredit these people now, especially in her case where there was so much corroborating evidence. And so you have to start killing people. I mean, that's like with Trump, you know, I'm not saying they tried to kill Trump, but I'm not saying they tried to kill Trump, but I'm just saying they certainly tried to discredit him for a really long time. And then when they were like, oh, this is not working, plan B always seems to be take him out.

I think they absolutely tried to kill Trump for sure. And, you know, with the Mark Middleton thing, there, you know, the initial reports caused confusion because there was no gun found near the body at first. And then later, after more investigation, it was reported that a 12-gated shotgun was found about 30 feet away. And then officials said that the theory was that the recoil from a shotgun, firing into the chest, caused the weapon to be thrown away from the body. Now, it was ruled of suicide. Photographs and investigative materials were sealed by a judge at the family's request, supposedly, make an independent review completely impossible.

So supposedly, the Mark Middleton family said that we want the files sealed. And so we don't want anyone to see these files. Why would you do that? It just doesn't make any sense. I think they're like Virginia's family. They want to be done with this and they don't want anyone coming after them. I think they're as just afraid as Virginia's family is at this point. Well, and so supposedly Mark Middleton also had documented mental health struggles.

And because of Epstein's Clinton connections, it kept a lot of suspicion alive. But you're talking about Mark Middleton. this guy was a huge figure in government for a very long time. I mean, he was a special assistant to the president, basically a senior aide working directly with President Bill Clinton. He was deputy to the White House chief of staff, Mac Malarity, meaning he was closely tied to inter-circral operations. His job focused heavily on liaison work with business leaders, fundraising for the Democratic Party

or DNC, and coordinating Clinton's economic policy promotions. also fundraising connections. He was deeply involved in helping Clinton raise money for his 1992 presidential campaign. And after Clinton's election, he became one of the major gatekeepers for people trying to get access to the White House. And then he resigned in 1995 amid accusations that he abuses access to the White House for personal business deals. And then after leaving, he was barred for returning to the White House grounds without senior approval. So then after leaving the White House, he was. He left the government work and he ran a business where he connected wealthy clients with political figures, basically selling access or influence.

And then here's his ties to Epstein. We're talking about Mark Middleton, the guy that allegedly killed himself with a shotgun and a freaking electric cord. Flight logs and visitor records show Middleton helped arrange Epstein's White House visits during Clinton's first term. He reportedly signed Epstein into the White House at least seven times. and some reports claim Middleton may have been trying to secure business opportunities through wealthy figures like Epstein. And then Middleton wasn't officially charged with anything criminal related to Epstein, but his name kept showing up in every single Epstein document, flight logs, guest logs, people associated with political fundraising. And his name also appeared alongside other controversial figures, including a legal fundraising during the Clinton years like Charlie Tree and Johnny Chung. Now, if you don't know who that is, well, Johnny Chong and Clinton Tree, they were funding Clinton's campaign.

And it was China that was funding Clinton's campaign in the 90s. And Middleton connected the Chinese Communist Party to Bill Clinton's presidential campaign in the United States of America. And so you guys can go down rabbit holes for days about that. But if you think about like all the stuff they accuse Trump of, Russia collusion, all this shit. And then the reality of it is that Clinton definitely was getting money and influence from China to run his campaign through Mark Middleton. And then also Mark Middleton was the main connection. He was the guy that knew everything about the Clinton connection and not only Clinton, but Obama's, the Biden's, everybody. He knew everything about all of this.

He was the main dude. He was a right-hand man. If there was someone you needed to make sure that, hey, if I'm going to Epstein Island, this is my dude right here. You make sure you set everything up and this guy's going to know everything. So it's no surprise that this guy ended up hanging from a freaking tree, although I'm blown away by the fact that he was not whatever. But what I think happened. I think they actually shot him in the chest and then hung him from a tree. That's what I think happened. But we know the Clinton body count.

Sam, do you think that the Epsons? steam files are going to come out. Do you think that the Trump administration or, you know, do you think there's someone in a Trump administration that wants these files not to come out, or do you think it's just the fact that Trump still does not have full control or power over the government? Well, if there are the ties to Israel with this that a lot of people suspect that there are, I do not think these will ever see the light of day. I actually think that they were trying to get Trump years and years ago involved in this. I mean, you know, there's like a photo or I guess a few photos of him with Epstein.

Like I said, Virginia was recruited from Marlago. So like clearly they were hanging around Marlago. And like I know everyone wants to say that he's a rapist and there's all these accusations. and I'm sure that he probably did abuse his power and was a bit of a womanizer back in the day. And I don't really, I won't even defend what I think he did or didn't do. But I don't think that he ended up in the mix with Epstein.

But I think they were trying really, really hard because they were pulling all these super prominent people and blackmailing them. And I mean, back in that time, he was certainly one of the most prominent people in the world. You know, even before he ran for president, everybody knew who Donald Trump was. Mm-hmm.

And he floated with it. Yeah, hey, and everyone loved him back then. Now they hate him. Yeah, and he floated with it. He floated with the presidency quite a bit. Exactly, yes. And that actually leads into another point I was going to make that, you know, talking about the CIA and their attention to detail with the dust and you saying that, like,

you know, they said that they would have been a ghost. No one would have ever known that they were there. Like, it does not happen that you have someone like, Virginia or any of these other people that all of a sudden they're like, oh, no, this person's a problem. You better fly over to Australia and take them out. They set the stage on this for a very long time. To suicide somebody, it is risky because if you don't, you know, if you do mess up and you do get sloppy, even just a little bit, and you leave anything untied that starts to, I mean, obviously people immediately are going to be on the conspiracy theory train of like, this person,

I mean, the obvious, the logical conclusion is like, this is way too convenient and this person did not kill themselves. So you can't really risk leaving anything that lends credibility to that theory. So I think you want to avoid suiciding a person, if at all possible. But I do think that's always like the ace in the hole. And I think they prepare for years. Like you were saying that, you know, he had some sort of like mental health history. Yeah, of course. Who knows when that ended up, like in his medical records.

It may not have even been legit. Or at some point he may have legitimately been diagnosed. But I think that they planned for years. I think they set this up. They have the stage set completely. If they ever do need to do that, they know exactly how they're going to make it look. And they have enough, you know, backstory that can lend credibility to the story

that this person did commit suicide. It's not something they come up with in the plot. Like they have, they're doing all of the steps in advance probably for years. And like the whole thing with Clinton, when you have somebody that that knows that level of information, immediately you have to be prepared for this person at some point to turn. And to give all this information.

So like as soon as you put yourself in that position of knowing things that are dangerous to know, you're immediately like you're on a list. Yeah. You're at risk. Yeah. Yeah. It's so funny because like, you know, I've had people that have had.

divorces and they're like, I just can't believe my wife could possibly ever do this to me. I'm like, and that's your wife, bro. Like, imagine, imagine someone like Mark Middleton. You know, but like, you know, keeping in mind, too, it's like, this guy has mental issues and he's literally. But maybe he didn't. They could have said he had mental issues because he was on well butrin to quit smoking for whatever.

It doesn't matter. I mean, you just can't go there. You've got to know what the mental issues are. It doesn't matter. They don't need. to know what the mental issues are. They just need a headline for it. Exactly.

And if this guy, if this guy was one of the most prominent figures in the Clinton White House, he had connections to everyone. He, he literally was in charge and allowed to sign people into the White House at his behest. And Jeffrey Epstein, for example, was seven times. So you're telling me a guy that has mental issues, you're just going to allow this type of access to the White House bullshit. I mean, even as a law enforcement officer, you go try to be a, I mean, you go through all kinds of crazy shit.

I mean, the mental evaluations, the psychological, the lie detector test, that you name it. That's just for a local police officer. So imagine the type of federal shit, because I'm telling you, federal shit, you go through everything. You go through the ringer. You go through so many psychological evaluations. And then all of a sudden, when shit comes out to where you killed yourself all the sudden because you were just so happened to be connected to the Epstein Clinton saga,

then now you have mental issues that, you know, all of a sudden, you know, that it makes no sense at all, like zero percent. And the problem with this whole ordeal is, is that we are getting to a point where, Sam, I agree with you. I don't necessarily think that the files, the Epstein client list or whatever, will ever come out. It can't. there's no way it can unless we change something about the influence over our government

either based on foreign powers or on intelligence agencies it doesn't really matter but why can it is it because of the foreign entities or is it because of the individuals that were blackmailed it could be both I think it's a combination yeah it definitely could be both and and I'm not 100% sure on exactly what it is but you know even There was Ali Carter. She dropped a new video demanding the Pam Bondi, unredacted her name, and released documents related to her Epstein and Diddy cases.

Now, think about this. I want to say that again. Yeah, she's saying, unredact my name and let it be heard. Yeah, I want to say this again, though. She said unredacted her names and released the documents related to her Epstein and Diddy case. Wow. these are two separate people that are also sex traffickers and they're and this victim is involved

in both Epstein and Diddy. Is that insane? Yeah, that's insane. So there's a lot of victims starting to come out because Pam Bondi is not releasing the files because here's what her excuse was. Pam Bonnie said, well, we can't just, you know, openly release all these files because there's so many victims and we're going to make sure we protect the victims. and so now a lot of these victims are coming forward and saying release the damn files unredact

my name. I don't care. They're probably not protected with them not coming out. Exactly. And there's a lot of victims starting to come out and saying, please release the files, unredact our names. And so Ali Carter, along with another victim, they were in the same vehicle when they did this video.

I want to play this briefly. We're going to wrap it up in just a second. But I want to play this video real quick just to let you hear what they're saying here about the files listen it is wednesday april 23rd 2025 at 1028 p.m. let's stop um hi my name is shelley carter i'm the adopted mom of alison carter um this is for attorney general bondi i'm asking you to release the epstein files i'm publicly asking you to release the epstein files um You've not instilled any faith with the way you've been handling that situation. You promised us that the information was on your desk, and I know that's a lie because that involves ledgers.

A couple weeks later, then you said that there was a truckload of files that had to be gone through, and that was probably closer to the truth. you understand what ledgers mean and how they keep track in the meticulous and copious amounts of information that they keep for each child that they traffic, for each child that they sell, for each buyer, it's probably more like 20 truckloads of information in that billion-dollar industry that's been happening for decades. I'm asking you to do right by the children. I know you have a lot on your plate, and I know you have a lot on your plate, and I know you.

you're in a new position. But you can slow walk any issue, any agenda, any topic. You can slow walk that information. But when we're talking about crimes against humanity and evil torture that's being done to the children, there is no slow walking that. I'm asking you to unredact Allie's information and release it to the public so that they can see the evil that is being done and they can protect their own children. I'm Bondi, this is my verbal contract with you.

My name is Alison Leilani, Ray Carter, and I give you full consent to unredact my name in any trafficking ledger that you find, especially to connect it to any of the islands. I volunteer for you to unredact my name and dig into my CPS files for CPS corruption out of Riverside County, California, child protective services. Boom.

I got to stop for a second. CPS. Think about this for just two seconds. So CPS, there's been so many videos out there. And I'm not saying that child protective services in all realms is bad. I'm just saying that they're, especially over the past four years and then prior to that. It was a few years before that as well. There was this massive push to take away kids from homes and especially kids that their mothers or fathers did not want them involved in certain things,

either at school or whatever the case was. But there's always been this push for CPS to take away kids to put them in foster care instead of with their parents. And I mean, that's true. I mean, I've read a lot of this. I'm giving you a half wink because I agree and I disagree at the same time. because what their mission is is to keep kids and families together. Allegedly. Yeah. Here maybe, yes. But not everywhere.

I mean, not in places like California, not in places like Chicago or New York or all these. I've read a lot of pretty heinous reports on this stuff. And, you know, as she's talking about, she was put in foster care and then trafficked. And this is a huge, huge problem. Yeah. And this happens a lot of times in foster care. These kids are thinking that they're going to get placed in safe homes, and it's worse than what they came from. Absolutely.

Yeah, they go into a trafficked home. And I want to read a couple of things. Allison Carter, this is the girl that's talking here. She had knowledge. So the Playboy Mansion after the party attended the Birdman, Denzel, and Diddy, and Young Jock. My date of birth is 2151994, and this party was on and or around. I think it was 2000 and yeah sorry so yeah let's see 2014 and then it talks about party goers would eat off of naked kids there were a lot of celebrities at the party once everyone was searched and inside the DJ sounded the music and the lights flashed and this is the actual affidavit so this is not some BS I see you reading it yeah signal and everyone was in the doors were closed and this signaled that the G could begin.

The kids that had been brought at the party were brought to be party favors. Party favors mean that the kids are literally set on the table. And by the way, guys, for anyone that don't want to listen this or if you have kids, you probably should not. But the kids were set on the table and had to wait for people to come choose them for sex. Once they were done having sex, the kids were placed back on the party favor table. And someone else could then come and pick them out from the table and repeat the process. I had to have sex with so many people that night.

I cannot remember them all. And some of the other altars hold those memories. It also talks about that they were separated them into areas where specific fetishes were happening. For instance, the fetish of having sex. I don't even know if I'm going to say this, but for having sex in what we were talking about earlier, in blood. I mean, this is very graphic. And I want you to understand this because this is an affidavit. This is from not just Ali Carter.

There were other multiple witnesses to this, but having sex in blood was in one area. They also made these kids have sex with animals, was in another area. People were just in a crazed and sexual frenzy. There were different types of sexual parties happening in different areas of the house. I mean, I don't know. I'm not even going to keep going into this because it gets worse, by the way. It gets way worse of what these kids were subjected to. And the interesting thing to me is that some of these affidavits that are starting to come out now with these victims where they're releasing their own affidavits saying,

Pamboddy, DOJ, release it. Like, take, like, underdact to my name. Show the people what the hell's actually happening. Show the people. Because I'm willing to show this. I mean, this is, if anything, is going to show the world. like how brutal that these assholes treated us. And this girl not only attended parties with the elites like P. Diddy and all these.

She was also trafficked to Epstein Island. And it's crazy. And so there is definitely a connection to these sex trafficking groups. And I'm just wondering, does she want her name redacted for people to know the truth or for her to be safe? Unredacted. Or, yeah, unredacted. Does she want her name to be unredacted? for people to know the truth or to save herself.

I don't know. Well, I mean, I don't know. I mean, it doesn't really matter why. I think she just, you know. It does to me because I think that she's scared. I think before, you know, they feel like the court should like provide some kind of security for them where they're Jane Doe or whatever and they can go to court and go against these people. But there's not been really one person that has. been tried in the justice of law.

Yeah, Andrew got striped of his prince qualities or whatever. You know, the queen, the year before she died, took a, she stripped him away of his prince qualities or whatever they're called, the royalties or whatever. But there's not been one person except for Disling and Jeffrey Epstein that have been in court over this stuff. No, and they're not going to be. but what I'm my what my point I'm trying to say here is that she wants her name out there and she wants the truth to be told and I think that the system is the one that pushes this Jane Doe and John Doe stuff more than anything. I think and also oftentimes these elite politicians will pay off these people to be Jane Doe's so that they never can talk to media.

You know, if they say, hey, we're going to give you millions of. You'll never have to do anything in your life again. You just, if you do go to court, you've got to be Jane Doe, number one. And number two, you're never allowed to speak on any of us. And number three, you're never allowed to talk to media. That's what the whole purpose I believe of Jane Doe and John Doe. They always try to make you think that they're protecting the victims, but it's not. They're protecting the pedophiles.

They're protecting the elites by not releasing the names, not protecting the victims. Who are they protecting the victims from? the perpetrators already know who the victims are. So if they wanted to, you know, kill them or murder them or whatever, just like Virginia potentially or others. Yeah, and that's what's happening now. I know. So how do we keep these other victims safe going forward?

I don't know. Sam, what do you think? It's a lot. Well, I'll just back up a little bit to the other question in terms of do we think this will ever be released and why will it not be and who's withholding it? I think it's a culmination. I think there's definitely a lot of really powerful people that on a personal level, I'm sure, are completely panicked. And any influence that they have to say, like, no, no, we can't release this.

They're doing it for personal reasons. But I also think that if we were to get access to all of the Epstein files, everything, I think it would show an intelligence operation. And I think it would really blow the game in a lot of ways for how they all. operate. Like I don't think that they could ever allow the public to have all of the information about how they did this because I don't think this is the only operation that's been performed that probably uses the same tactics. But I think the public would just be so incredibly disturbed to know what these tactics are and how they kept this going for so many years without people

knowing about it, or at least without there being any, like, concrete evidence or anything believable that they weren't able to, like, sweep under the rug and scredit. But in terms of, like, the Trump administration, I don't know who in the administration legitimately wants these files released versus who is, has, like, weaseled their way in there specifically to make sure that they don't get released, you know, by pretending to be someone that they're not whatever you want to say. But like this is just a legal tactic in general is like if you ever see, I mean, you guys know like you've been through a lawsuit. When it comes to discovery, like one of the tactics is that you just like overload information. You just send in like literally

a truckload of like boxes of files so that it's impossible to really like go through everything. And I can't even imagine the amount. of files that are associated with this. Like that lady was saying, it's probably closer to like a dozen truckloads. It's honestly, probably hundreds of truckloads of information. And so even if,

and I really don't know one way or the other about her, but even if Pam Bondi legitimately wanted to release this information, I just think it's too much information to go through and it's a really great way to say, oh, we just can't. There's probably people in her ear. They're like, well, we can't until we go through it all and redact everybody's names. And they know that that's just never going to be possible.

Yeah. No, I agree. It's interesting because, I mean, even people that think that there are still files that is the most damning evidence, I doubt that's still actually out there. I mean, I think, you know. What are you saying? They got rid of it? Yeah, absolutely. The videos and all that?

Well, someone has it. It's probably not in the United States, though. I don't think they got rid of the videos. And I think there's more than one copy of the videos. I know. But what I'm saying is we're saying all this in the way that the FBI or CIA or intelligence has all of this information. We don't know that they do. You know, I mean, there could have been cameras at some of these places that streamed.

But when they rated them, they showed how much evidence went in. Supposedly. what I'm saying is that I just don't think that if if you think about how corrupt that a lot of the government is now, especially if you think about the Epstein sex trafficking ring that, you know, blackmailed politicians for influence. And if you think that they're going to be so dumb to, you know, they knew eventually, whoever was in charge of this knew eventually that this would come to light. the FBI would raid their compounds at some point.

And so, you know, you would have had to have had a kill switch for some of this information to where you still had it, but the U.S. government didn't. If the U.S. government is not the main people involved, right? So if there is a foreign government that is involved in this, if there is a foreign government involved, then likely the U.S. government does not have a lot of information necessarily that other foreign nations potentially still do. And that could be the most detrimental thing to this whole case. Now, I do think the FBI likely has videos.

I'm sure they have stuff. But do they have everything? And do they are, are they even the main people that are in charge of this? Are they the main ones behind this? We don't know. That's what we've talked about tonight. But I think the big lesson here is, is that evil lives among us. and and I think that's why so many people are so adamant on the Trump administration and Pam Bondi and Cash Patel.

You know, Cash Patel, as soon as you said that Sam earlier, where you're like, you know, are these people legit or are they saying the right things to get into positions to where they make sure it isn't released? I mean, I can't tell you how many times I've heard Cash Patel on podcast leading up to his appointment of FBI director that was like, day one. Day one. Yeah, day one, we're doing all of this. And I've already read all these files. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I already know everything about it. Yeah, I've read the JFK files.

It'll blow you away. I've read the Epstein stuff. You'll be amazed. Day one, we're releasing that shit. Well, guess what? It's not day. What, how long are we in now? Like we're...

A hundred days now, I think, today. 100 days. But that leads me to they're protecting something or something. I don't know. For not releasing these files. Seems like, someone had a meeting and said, hey, guys, I know that you are so apt on releasing all this shit, but it ain't happening. And here's why, by the way. And I would assume a meeting like

that has happened. I don't know that it's that simple, though. I don't know. Like, that's the thing is that people say, like, oh, there's no way that, like, there can be these huge conspiracies. Like, the people in the government aren't that smart. They can't keep these secrets. They can't even keep small secrets. You know, they're, like, adding reporters into signal chats. And, like, 100%, that's all true. I do not think everyone in the government is intelligent. I think most of them are not. But I think in the same way that these conspiracies do happen,

in the same way that I do not think that we went to the moon, for instance, everything is just really compartmentalized. I don't think any one person really knows the whole thing. They just know they're part of it. And they may think that they know what they're doing. And in reality, they're just a cause. in the machine. And so I think that may be what's happening in the Trump administration now is that I don't

necessarily think these people were taken into some back room and they're like, hey, we're not releasing this because of X, Y, Z and shut your mouth or we're going to kill you. I think it's more of like they're being gradually either manipulated into not doing it or they're being like overloaded with information or they're being given like quote unquote credible reasons of why it needs to be delayed and that they. may even think that they're doing the right thing. But I think each of them individually has a reason that they are participating in this conspiracy of not releasing the details.

But I think it's a big picture that none of them are completely privy to. They only know they're a little part of it. But when you put all the pieces together, it just results in an entire administration. It's not going to release this information. I don't think we're ever going to see it. Yeah, and that's the same way. I mean, you know, we did just do a podcast on a local show. Sheriff's Department.

And same thing kind of goes with that. It's like there are rumors that you might hear over the course of years, but only a certain set of people might know some of those rumors to either be true or not true. And even in local government that is still an issue, the compartmentalized thing. So imagine massive government. I mean, it's huge. And the amount of influence and power and structure over that. And I've always said, everybody was like, please God.

Trump get in because of what we kind of went through over the past four years until you start realizing that maybe Trump doesn't have as much power as he tries to let on. And there's always been that case for like, you know, presidents don't really have that much power, you know, that you think they do. But the government controls the government. They still have the utmost power over everything that happens. And I think it goes back to intelligence. I think it goes back to the agencies.

And I'm sure there's, by the way. agencies that we don't even know about. Never even heard a name of. That controls a lot of this. And, you know, not just information, but we're also talking about, you know, government tech, you know, I think about Ashton Forbes and all that stuff. And, you know, Ashton Forbes was just on, well, he wasn't, but there was Ross Colthard. Ross Colthart was talking shit about him on Newsmax yesterday.

I bet. Ashton loved that. Well, I don't know. No, he, Ashton didn't really love that. He's been going on a damn hisy on social media because like I said, he probably loves that. Maybe. Maybe. But I think you guys are right. I think that the government is so big and it's so decar.

What's the word? Say it. DeCart. Yes. Yes. That no one knows anything more than somebody else. Yeah. I think there's like, I think you could almost graph this out that there is an immense amount of people.

that have a little bit of information. But when you, the more information that someone knows, the smaller the amount of people that know the information. Yeah. So it's probably only a handful of people who know all of the information. But you have to have all those other people and all those other levels that know just enough. And they probably don't even realize what they know. Mm-hmm.

You know, they think that they are in this position in the government. they are privy to, you know, confidential information. They have security clearances. And they may even share information with each other, but it's impossible for all of these people to share all of their information to be able to put the puzzle pieces together, I think. Yeah, I agree. I agree with that.

Sam, last question, do you think that she killed herself or do you think this is some big, you know, covert operation to keep her silenced. I think it is obvious that she did not kill herself. It is too, like how many more convenient suicides do we have to see? You know, Epstein did not kill himself. She did not kill herself. All these whistleblowers did not kill themselves. But the real problem with this is, we can sit on this podcast and say this.

And there will be, you know, probably millions of people that will hear this. And we all know that she. definitely did not kill herself. But at the end of the day, they still have enough control that there's really nothing that we can do about it. Yeah, that's what's crazy. I mean, that is what is insane. And I think the more people that realize, like, you know, hey, I vote over Trump and

we should be way better than we are. And we should know all this stuff. Well, guess what? It's a rude awakening. There is a rude awakening happening right now. And I think that's also the case for the case for like the great awakening, which is people are awakening. And it's not necessarily on party lines anymore. I mean, I think there was that time where you had to kind of make a decision, Harris or Trump. And I think

people obviously made that decision. But now even after Trump is in office, now people are starting to evaluate what they have, right? Okay. Well, we have Trump. We had the absolute best possibility we had at the time. We voted for him. And now we are still getting screwed. we're likely still being lied to. We are still being withheld from information that is very detrimental to, I mean, for example, Virginia, you know, so many people that said, be patient with Epstein files, be patient. Well, maybe there are victims out there that can't wait for these Epstein files anymore.

Maybe this is a huge problem. I mean, you know, we have to protect those people. And I would love to know, honestly, I would love to know if the true. Trump administration at any point in time reached out to Virginia since they have been in office to either ask her questions, whatever the case is. I would love to know that. I would love to know it from Pan Bondi or Cash Patel. Like, can you tell me, have you ever since you have been in office reached out to Virginia

in the last three months? Well, it kind of goes back to what I was saying, and that that is very possible. And it would probably be just some rogue individual that has started to, like, put some pieces together and doesn't know that they're not supposed to reach out to her. You know, they think like, oh, I'm doing my job. My job is to investigate this. This is someone I should talk to. And then they don't know that, like, oh, no, that's like the third rail, you know? Yeah.

And so you have to shut that shit down immediately. And in this case, I think it resulted in she can't talk anymore because she's gone. and you just end up in this cycle of no one's ever going to get all of the information. Like, they're going to cut you off at the past. Like, not everyone in the government is corrupt. It would be impossible to find that many people that are corrupt. I think the vast majority of the people in the government are probably doing things for the right reasons, or at least they think that they are.

Yeah. But they're just, they're ultimately being controlled by the system as well. And that's what's so dangerous about it. And, you know, I have a friend that says, that I'm not a Trump supporter. I'm a Trump voter. And I do think that there's some truth to that. Like I reluctantly voted for Trump.

When it came down to the two options, like kind of like you were saying, Chad, I knew we were screwed with the other administration. But I at least had some hope. I felt like this was our best hope that if there was going to be any kind of change in terms of, you know, picking away of the establishment at least a little bit,

this was our best chance at it. but I was, I never had like a lot of faith that was actually going to happen. And now it's obvious that the system is just, it's too big, it's too corrupt. I don't think it matters who we elect as president. Like there's just too many people on too many levels that are corrupt. And I don't really know how you ever get at the heart of it. And I totally agree with you because I was a Trump supporter. I've always been a Trump supporter.

And I said, you know, even like when it was. the first 100 days in like the first 10 days. I'm like, oh my God, Chad, look at what Trump's doing. This is amazing. And he is doing this.

And I think he's doing the best he can do with what he has. I don't think we have to say that he's a bad president because he's not getting stuff done that we thought he would get done. I think it goes deeper than what he knows about. And I don't think he. And I don't even think he wants to know about it. Because if he knows about it, he's got to speak on it. Well, and think about this, too.

I mean, you know, we're talking about Trump. I mean, he is like, what, 80 years old. I mean, it like if- I don't care. He's got a better brain than probably I do. I understand that 100%. But I'm saying, even with Trump, like say that me, you and Sam went to Mar-a-Lago and we sat down with Trump at a table.

And we started telling him all this crazy shit that we're talking about and talk about and talk about often on the podcast. He's going to say, I don't know anything about it. Exactly. He doesn't want to know anything about it. Because if he knows about it, he has to speak about it. And that is outside his realm.

He's letting his administration deal with that. Yeah, I get that. But also you as a leader, you know, I think some of that stuff he would think is not necessarily as important. I don't think he's going to want to touch on like all this stuff, like especially when it deals with that amount of, I don't even want to say corruption because obviously he's with Elon Musk and Doge and all that stuff. and yeah, he wants to expose corruption.

It's past the point of, I guess, black and white. Yeah. But like it's also, like I was saying before, this stuff does not happen in the short term. Like there are people that are playing the long game. And to your point, Chad, Trump has been giving indications since the 80s that he may run for president.

And the same way that we know that the CIA, we know that within like USAID, probably all through CIA, I mean, they can basically establish like a fake world. Like you don't even know that like the person at the convenience store isn't really a person. It's like a CIA agent. You know, they may have put somebody in his world, in his orbit in the 80s, in the 90s, just with the anticipation that at some point he may run for president.

And if he did, they needed to have for him to have a trusted person in his orbit that would steer him in the right direction. there may be someone he's trusting that he's known for 40 years that in reality is not working on his behalf that has been planted there. Like that sounds insane. That sounds like the biggest conspiracy theory, but I think it's totally plausible. Yeah, it's very plausible. And, you know, I go back to some of my research lately, you know, I think that at the very least, you better hope that you believe in God with how deep stuff is right now in the world. that there better be someone, some almighty power that comes through and stops what's going on. Because I think that if you don't have something bigger than what the world has to offer right now,

it's not going to get better. And I think also in historical text that is consistently proved when stuff like this happens in the world, there is a power, a force. Maybe you call it God that comes through and destructs that. I think that the way the world is going, there has to be a big change. And I don't know that any one person can change it. And I think that's kind of the lesson with this whole deal is like we get so caught up in Democrat versus Republican, Biden versus Trump, black versus white, all of the shit. And that's not really the big issue.

The big issue is there is massive evil in this world. and oftentimes evil overshadows good. I think there is a lot of good in this world. It's just good doesn't get highlighted anymore. You know, I mean, if you go on X or you go on any social media platform, how many videos anymore do you see this good and uplifting? Like, what are the videos that get millions of views? It's the bad videos.

It's not the good videos. Used to, like 10 years ago, cat videos and dog videos, and still some of those videos get massive views. but for the most part, videos that get views now are crazy videos, shooting videos, fight videos, hating someone else is what gets millions of views. It's not cat videos. It's not family-oriented videos. It's not things that make you feel good about yourself.

It's things that make you feel bad about the world. And so my only point to this is that this really highlights evil in the world. No one's safe from the evil that we do live with on a daily basis. And I think, Sam, is that that's why I kind of started my, I guess, journey spiritually. I know we've talked about that before. I know so many people are, you know, struggling with that. I know so many people question all of that. And for good reason, I think that when you look around and you talk about stuff like this,

you learn about stuff that actually happens in this earth, you know, you are hopeful that there is something bigger and better than this. And I think there is. And I think if you just go back, like I say, thousands of years ago, whether it's Bible text or other historical text, this stuff has been going on for a very long time. But the good thing is, usually it is destroyed. And I don't know if that's good for us necessarily or whatever, but this stuff does not last forever. So Sam, I do appreciate you coming on the show for sure. I think that this case with Virginia, I hope that we actually have a thorough investigation.

I don't know what will happen. She's in Australia. She is a U.S. born citizen, but she has lived in Australia, I think, for several years now. So I don't know how the investigation will work in Australia. I don't know if the United States will be involved in that investigation or not. You know, the good thing is we do have the Trump administration. and his cabinet and team in place. So maybe they can coordinate with Australia and government to actually get an investigation

in play. Some of the things I will be interested to know is like how quick does this investigation move in Australia as far as, you know, is there going to be autopsies? You know, how fast does the burial or cremation or whatever that happens? How fast does that go? Because a lot of times, you know, when they want to hide something, they want to push that alongs very, very fast. And especially if you have the family kind of involved or part of it, they can push that

very quickly to where no government agency can do autopsies or investigations further past the death. So it's all very interesting. Do you think there will be an investigation, Sam, like a thorough investigation? No. I think that even if they do, they're investigating themselves. That's true. That is very true.

That is very true. Well, guys, that's going to do it for this episode of Investigator. It's podcast. So make sure you go and subscribe to our substack. We're going to be posting a lot on there. And especially if you want to follow our journey as far as our spiritual, I guess spiritual journey. But we're also just going to have episodes over there to where we talk about stuff that we don't typically talk about on here. So personal stuff.

where you're just kind of in our living room with us and we're just talking about whatever. We're going to have a lot of that over there. And Sam, we definitely thank you for coming on. Sam does have some social medias, but you know, you can go try to find them. I don't know if you'll ever find her on social media. But Sam, thanks so much for coming on again. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

Not a problem. Always fun. Yeah, absolutely. It's always fun. Guys, we're going to play you out with the same song, even if the sky has fallen to, down by candle lion. Until next time, we love you guys.

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I will keep on holding my head high. Even at the sky. falling down jumping from cliffs so high trusting our wings to fly sometimes we're crashing down but we get up and stop from the ground from falling down i will keep on searching for my highs they'll lost my mind i will keep on holding my head high Down the skies falling down