Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Why Israel Is Splitting the Republican Party, with Gregory Lyakhov

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

In this episode, Chad sits down with political commentator Gregory Lyakhov to break down one of the most surprising and intense conflicts inside the Republican Party today, the growing divide over Israel. Once a unified issue on the right, Israel has now become a flashpoint between traditional pro-Israel conservatives and a rising faction of Republicans who question foreign aid, military commitments, and America’s role in Middle Eastern politics. Gregory brings his insight from years of covering U.S. politics and the Israel relationship for major outlets, offering a clear look at how this rift started, who is driving it, and what it reveals about the future direction of the GOP. From foreign policy to the 2026 elections, we dig into the forces reshaping the conservative movement and what this internal conflict means for America moving forward.Visit our merhcndise store

about to leave already packing i'm not really asking what place we're about to see hello and welcome to investigator podcast i'm your host chat alongside my beautiful wife sherry on tonight's episode we're joined by a very special guest gregory lycove a rising voice in conservative media whose work has appeared in outlets like the new york post newsmax town hall and more gregory has become known for his sharp analysis of u.s politics and the evolving relationship between america and israel which makes him perfect guess for what we're going to talk about tonight. Now, there is a real divide growing inside the Republican Party and is no longer quiet. You have longtime pro-Israel conservatives on one side and on the other a new wave of Republicans

question him for on entanglements, USAID, and the party's overall stance on Israel. It is reshaping primaries, reshaping, messaging, and revealing a deeper identity crisis on the right. Tonight, Gregory and I and Sherry are going to dig into why the divide is happening and who is driving it and what it means for the future of the party. guys welcome to the show it is November the 16th 2025 the name of this song is be free with me by scene very very excited about this episode we actually had gregory reach out to us a couple of days ago and uh and uh gregory had listened some of our episodes and he said hey you know i want to come

on the show i want to talk about the republican divide i want to talk about Israel i want to talk about the things that you guys have been talking about and for those that do not know gregory has kind of been everywhere he is one of the youngest syndicated writers for all of these various news organizations. He's been on Fox News, News Max. You probably saw him on television at some point in time. And the kid's only 17 years old. Like, I don't even want to tell you guys what I was doing when I was 17 years old, but it definitely was not on the path that Gregory's on. Gregory, thank you so much for coming on. I'm very excited about this conversation we're going to have. Tell the world who you are a little bit about you. Yeah. Thank you so much for having me on.

And as you said, I'm the youngest nationally syndicated columnist. I write for various publications about varying topics, but particularly right now focused, especially on this conservative divide that is going on that is really impacting the Republican Party in many ways. I have been a supporter of the current administration in the White House for quite some time now, and a lot of my writing has reflected that. But again, I seek to bring in analysis that is not biased, but, rather shows my opinion in a way that is fact driven. And that is really what I try to emphasize.

So if any of you want to check out my writing or anything, you can search me up and find any of my articles. But yeah, it's a real honor to be on the show. Thank you so much for it. No, not a problem, Gregory. We really appreciate you as well. Actually, we told quite a few people, either our telegram or whoever, that we're going to bring Gregory on.

And so there was a lot of people was like, just don't get owned by a 17-year-old. I'm like, dude, this is not. what this conversation is about. We have Gregory on because, look, I had saw a clip of you on Fox News talking about the anti-Semitism a little while back. And what I will say, obviously, from our stance for people that maybe have never listened to this show for the new listeners, we have talked and heavily tried to get as many people

as possible to vote for Trump leading up to the 2024 election. We felt like Trump was the only chance America had. We fully, hardly believed in the MAGA movement. I think that obviously if you look at the election results in 2024, there was millions and millions of people that also believed in the MAGA movement, which is make America great again. And so after Trump became president in this second term now, you know, a lot of people had a lot of high hopes. And I have been somewhat critical of Trump for sure about some of the things, whether it was the Epstein files, which we're also going to talk about, whether it was, you know, kind of all of the AI companies that he's kind of intermingled with. that could potentially one day lead to a surveillance state. And then obviously the recent conversations and the MAGA divide.

And it's not even divided anymore. It's almost like MAGA is dead. I'm seeing that kind of everywhere. And when you have people like Thomas Massey and Marjorie Taylor Green and, you know, Rand Paul even, Rand Paul was a huge name during the COVID-19 crisis to where there was a lot of Americans that felt like Rand Paul was the only one that was really standing up for Americans during that. time as a doctor as someone actually knew what he was talking about and he was one of the biggest grillers of dr anthony falchie and now it's like all of that almost seems gone and so the question is like what are we going to do about how are we going to go about it but first let's get to gregory

gregory tell me at 17 years old like how are you in all of these news organization posts like how are you the guy that if people are reading articles on whether the gateway pundit or uh i think you've had stuff in Washington Post. Like, how did you get into that at 17? Yeah. So look, this is, this is what I tell everyone. I have, I don't have any connections. My family has absolutely nothing to do with politics. Neither does anyone that I actually knew before I, you know, got into it. But I was, I was passionate. And about a year ago, that's when I started reading and writing, really. And that's when I really started to emphasize my passion for politics. and it's what I've been doing 24-7 for the last year, and that's how you get into it.

You know, if you do something for a year or for however long, you'll be very good at it quickly. Yeah, for sure. So what did you think about Trump? Why did you want Trump as our president for his second term in 2024? Like, what did you see that Trump could offer America and obviously the way that Kamala Harris couldn't offer America? I mean, I'm sorry, I laugh a little bit when I say that, but anyways, go ahead. Yeah, definitely. So I'm going to start off by actually saying that Trump is not my ideal candidate. He is a good leader. He is a good president, but he is not a wonderful or amazing or a perfect president. There's a lot of faults. And that's okay because every candidate has a lot of faults. My biggest fault of Donald Trump is that he has a really big mouth. He sounds like a clown, acts like a clown at certain, you know, times. But really, I don't look at, like, I don't look at rhetoric as the deciding factor for president. I look at action. And we have seen time and time again that Donald Trump has been a very good president

in his actions. And in his first term, he completely revolutionized the American economy, American foreign policy, domestic policy. Really, he did a wonderful job. And, you know, that's really why I was so behind him when he went around for the second time. But also, not to mention the fact that Kamala Harris, the Biden administration, pushed so. much, you know, politics, I identity politics into the United States that students were not learning in schools anymore. Students were being indoctrinated in schools. And when students are being indoctrinated, that leads to a country in 25 years that will be collapsed. So that is really why I was so supportive of Donald Trump because of the danger that the other side poses to, you know,

the 360 million plus Americans that live here. Yeah, absolutely. So do you feel like, and we had talked about this before the show, and I want to ask you this because I want people to understand where you're coming from, kind of what your beliefs and values are. You are Jewish, correct? Yes. Okay. And the reason I asked that is because, like I said, when I saw some clips about, you know, you were talking about the anti-Semitism, particularly on campuses, and this was obviously, you know, a couple of years ago, what kind of made you get into that? Obviously, you're Jewish.

but did you see any of that anti-Semitism like in your like in high school or what kind of made you lead the charge on that to where people saw you on major news organizations like Fox and CNN or wherever yeah so I actually never experienced anti-Semitism in a school because I go to a school that is in a district of many Jewish people so I'm not like the only Jewish kid there the real anti-Semitism that I have experienced was when I publish articles and, you know, get, the article goes viral and it's about Israel. And then I get emails from random people that I have never, you know, spoken with, threatening to kill me because of my views of Israel or, you know, comparing me to Hitler, which is a very ironic comparison. But, you know, that's the real anti-Semitism that I have experienced. But the reason why I have been so, you know, outspoken about anti-Semitism, especially on college campuses, is because we were going into a culture

where, you know, anti-Semitism or not even anti-Semitism, but anti-whiteness, anti-whiteness, anti-anything that doesn't align with this oppressor versus oppressed ideology, was being normalized on college campuses and being taught at college campuses. And that's, again, where it will lead into a situation where our country will collapse no matter what we do. So it's very important to stop it right when it gets, you know, right when it's just anti-Semitism. and then we could go, you know, we don't have to worry on it. And, you know, a good analogy to this is Hitler and the Nazis in World War II, where, you know, he first started by targeting Jews, but that wasn't his only goal.

His only goal was to target the everyone who wasn't just like him. And that's very similar to how I look at anti-Semitism to be, because if someone is an anti-Semite, they are most likely not just anti-Semitic they're anti every other race that isn't you know themselves that makes sense yeah i mean but do you feel like even with the college campus stuff to anti-semitism we really didn't even see any kind of blowback from you know as you said it was like if you were white if you were straight if you were single if you are a male especially you know all these variable factors that we saw this from the left for so long for years to where it's like they demonized you If you were white, you were automatically racist or you were anti-LGBQ if you did not go along with the trans movements and everything that that came along with.

You know, we saw all of that, but we never really saw anyone, you know, standing up for just American white, the American nationalists, I guess you can say. And when you think about like white nationals, for example, the media has always tried to spin that as some type of white supremacy or, you know, like KKK. But what a white nationalist really is is a white person that believes that, you know, his nationality where he's living, where he is patriotic to, maybe his family had died in wars, that is most important to him. So America first might be the thing. And we've even saw a lot of this America first talk. We've saw the media tried to spin that into anti-Semitism recently or whatever the case is. Why do you think, though, it took the college campuses that were allegedly, not allegedly, but they were being overrun with people that had Hamasq, you know,

or Hamas, Hamas, bandanas on, or Hamas flags or whatever. Why did it take that until the government finally did something? Because it seemed like it was only until they went against Israel that anyone on the right cared about the white person in America to begin with. Does that make sense? Okay. So to answer your question, I'm going to start off by saying that there is a big divide between being Jewish and Israel. just because of anti- just because someone is anti-Semitic doesn't mean that they're anti-Israel and just because someone is anti-Israel it doesn't mean that they're anti-Semitic. So the anti-Semitic protests on college campuses, which were openly anti-Semitic, does not have anything to do with Israel, if that makes sense.

So the government didn't intervene because it was an anti-Israel protest. The government intervened because it was an anti-Semitic protests. And that is an important distinction to make. But to add on to that point, I mean, under Joe Biden, the former president, or I don't even want to call him president, under the auto pen that Joe Biden had, we did not see any action take place in college campuses at all, even with these anti-Semitic protests. The only time when we saw actual action take place was under the Trump administration. And it wasn't Donald Trump's first move. It was Donald Trump's move in a simultaneous effort to end this disgusting ideology that the last.

has intertwined in our basic institutions like D-E-I-C-R-T, all of all of that stuff, oppressor versus oppressed, like all of that theories, all of those fake theories that were anti-American, anti-white, anti-Jewish, anti-every other race other than, you know, a minority, I would say. Those ideologies were all, you know, cut off and ended at the same time. So Donald Trump was doing a lot of other things than just preventing anti-Semitism on college campuses. Yeah. So do you feel, though, that you can be anti-Israel currently with this government and not be anti-Semitic? Yes, I 100% agree.

I, for comparison, criticize Netanahu and his government a lot. I don't believe in a lot of what he says, even though overall I think he's a good leader, but there's a lot that I criticize. and I'm definitely not anti-Semitic. So you can criticize a government without being anti-Semitic. But it turns into anti-Semitism when you are solely criticizing Israel for no good purpose and just throwing criticisms disguised as analysis, but really you're trying to provoke something or, you know, you're just, you're not focusing on other factors.

So when you single out Israel for no good reason, then it becomes anti-Semitic or it could become anti-Semitic. Okay. Well, you give me a lot. lot of good things to think about because, you know, with my family background and half of my family being Jewish and, you know, we're not even from Israel, but we look highly towards Israel. And it's just, it's odd to me. Like, you know, the whole thing about what's going on right now is everybody is anti-Israel, anti-Israel. And then Chad and I on a lot of podcasts, we're like, well, listen, we've got to break this down. There's a difference between the government and the religion.

And we've talked about that on several podcasts. And it's okay to go against Israel as a country. But I don't think it's okay to go against Jewish people as a general rule. No, absolutely not. And I want to also say something. You know, there have been protests inside of Israel many times against the government in Netanyahu. And there's also been many protests against their response from October 7th and how they responded in Gaza. and the amount of civilians that were killed in Gaza.

That is my criticism, by the way, Gregory, is, you know, when I talk about this Israel thing, number one, I have two things. I have their response to what they, how they responded and how forceful they responded inside of Gaza. We've had a lot of people from Gaza in that area, Palestine, that have reached out to us and said, hey, look, I'm a normal person. I have the same dreams. I have the same aspirations. I have the same things that, you know, you do as an American or people in Israel do.

but now I don't have a, you know, I don't have a house. I don't have anywhere to go. Everything, my future looks very bleak now because they've literally destroyed everything. That is my criticism of this Israeli government. And I think the problem, though, with this is that there's a lot of people that look at Israel, especially considering how the U.S. government, for example, they say, well, you know, Israel first, or not Israel first, but that's what a lot of people believe. But they're saying, we can't have America without Israel, essentially, is what

the Republican Party now is so divided over, but yet you have, as we're talking, there is a difference between Jewish people and Israel. But if you're also continuing the conversation to say, no, well, we have to stand with Israel. We have to do whatever we can to make sure that Israel is protected and that we support them in any way and send billions of dollars, then obviously there's a lot of people that say, well, okay, so then that means that it's okay what they're doing and have done in Gaza. Obviously, we know October 7th was horrendous and horrible. we get that. We're not saying it wasn't. But I think that's why there is so much like anti-Semitism is because the media and the government are almost mixed in the two.

They're saying, you know, Israel and Jewish people are the same. It is a Jewish state. And the way that Trump and the Republican Party talks about it, they lump both of them together. So then when you have all these people that are not necessarily educated in one way or the other, they're going to go anti-Semitic in some ways because they feel like, Israel, the government, represents the Jewish people right now. Like, what is your thoughts on that? Yeah, yeah. So I'm going to start from the very being, start off from what you mentioned at the very

beginning. And, you know, you can be anti-Israel in that you can criticize the current government. But if you are anti-Israel as in Israel shouldn't be a country or a Jewish state, then, yes, that becomes anti-Semitic because then you are saying that Jews can't self-determine themselves in a state, which is in my perspective, anti-Semitic. And we can go into that if you don't agree with that, but I'm pretty sure you do. But, you know, to add on to that point, your preference or your preface that, you know, Israel was wrong in what they have done in Gaza is also something I disagree with.

I mean, look, the situation in Gaza was tragic and still is tragic because it's a war zone. There is people dying. There's going to be kids killed. However, the IDF and Israel as a whole did not create any genocide and did not do any malicious intent in Gaza and in my perspective. And I could back this up if we want to go into a discussion about it. The situation in Gaza could have been much worse if any other military other than the IDF was fighting for it. And the reason I say that is because we can look at the numbers. I mean, the civilian casualties have been reported by the Gaza health members.

ministry, which is run by Hamas, a terrorist organization. So the numbers at the very beginning are basically being reported to you by a terrorist organization. So that has been caught multiple times inflating their, you know, civilian casualty ratios. But not only that, this same Gaza health ministry does not even distinguish between civilians and combatants. So there's no possible way to tell the difference between a civilian and a combatant. So we know that the difference between a civilian and a combatant. So we know that around 60,000 people have been killed. We don't know how many civilians have been killed and how many combatants we have been killed. I could give you the IDF's numbers according to that, but that would also be biased towards the IDF. And if we want to treat

Hamas and the IDF the same, which isn't a comparison I think we should make. But if we do, then, you know, we wouldn't use bias numbers for both of them. That's to start off. But we, I could go into this discussion if you're interested in why I believe that the situation Gaza is not you know, the IDAS fought or anything. Yes, please do. In general, I do. Oh, okay, sure. So, and by the way, I actually want to first ask you, why are you so against what Israel did?

Or what specifically are you so against what Israel did in Gaza? Well, I think just as an American, it's because we're involved monetarily, right? So it's the same reason that, you know, when I saw people during the Biden-Harris regime, where they had, you know, literally Ukraine. flags in their bios before they had American flags. And some of these people were U.S. politicians, right? And so I was always like, okay, that makes zero sense. This is America. This is not Ukraine. So I don't feel... I guess I'm going to rephrase my question. We could get into that too. And actually, that's a very interesting discussion. But I guess, like, actions in Gaza by

Israel, do you like, do you believe that Israel was purposefully or maliciously acting in Gaza in a horrific way or in any sense like that? I do. I think Israel used October 7th to their benefit when it comes to trying to eliminate the people that they, I don't believe, like. And I think also Israel believes that's their land. They want their land back very similarly to if you want the argument about Russia wanting to make the USSR again with Ukraine. You can make that argument, although I don't necessarily believe that 100%, but, you know, if you look at just strict numbers, you know, even the UN and some of these, which I don't always believe or agree with the UN, but the Gaza Ministry of Health, which obviously you said was probably a lot of Hamas, that is the government that is

ran there. But then you also had the UN and major media kind of across the board, which I don't also believe in media, but UN also says they believe there was at least 70,000 so far killed in Gaza, 20,000 children. According to Hamas's numbers. And UN and some of the UN. inspectors that went in as well, but we don't know for sure. But okay, let's look at Gaza, though, for a second, Gregory.

Do you think that that looks like a place that there was a lot of people that survived? I mean, if the population of Gaza is like 2 million, so if less than 70,000 people got killed, I mean, that's not like a huge percentage. I mean, yes, that's a lot of killed, but it all depends on the civilian-to-command-r ratio, number one. Number two, it depends on the actions that the IDF has taken, because the idea of was faced with a task that was nearly impossible for any other military to complete, which is basically to prevent civilian casualties in an area where Hamas, a terrorist organization, continues to embed

itself within the infrastructure and basically use human shields, which is documented also by the UN, to protect themselves and to protect their weapons. So I don't believe that the IDF actually did anything wrong here. And every report that has stated that that, IDF has done something wrong or is committing genocide or anything like that. It doesn't support any narrative because it's all using Hamas's data. I mean, I just don't believe that the American people or any people should be falling for this trap of, you know, using data from a terrorist organization. Well, and two, we've had, like I said, we've had a lot of people that reach out to us, even from Palestine and Gaza, literally have saw videos of, you know, where civilians were going to supply drops.

And this was during the time they had a blockade on supplies because they were not allowing supplies in. Although Israel said that this was because they didn't want the supplies going to Amos, but you're still, you were still starving the people in Gaza. And then even all the videos I've seen, people that have sent them to us and everything else, to where when they would go to these supply drops and they would try to get this food supply, there were IDF soldiers that were shooting at these people.

I've saw these videos and some of these people like most of these people do not have any ties to Hamas I don't mean to, yeah, yeah, you are right there are videos of IDF soldiers shooting it's not very clear those videos are kind of usually taken out of context and I'm sure there are incidents where the IDF was wrong I'm not saying that every military has incidents

where their soldiers do something wrong but those are you know one off incidents So just saying because I saw a video of something like that happening, it doesn't necessarily mean that holistically that is actually what's going on. It just means that there's an incident of it going on, number one. Number two, Israel, you know, had a blockade of aid for a few reasons. Number one, there's no other military in history other than Israel and the IDF that purposefully gives aid to its enemies. That's what Israel has done in this war. And then when they decided to stop giving aid to its enemies, that's when the entire world condemned them for it, which is, you know, ridiculous.

But on your point about the blockade, I mean, even the UN said that 90% of its aid was intercepted by Hamas, 90%. So I think there's a very, you know, there's a very good reasoning behind the fact that you don't want aid to be given to enemies, terrorists, that then use it to make money. that's not a good pathway to go. And again, I'm not denying that the situation in Gaza is tragic. It is. It's very tragic. But so is every other war. And the IDF is not to blame. It's Hamas. Yeah, I mean. Well, in Chad, isn't it true, though?

Before IDF goes into the parts of Gaza, they would put down, they would leaflets or leaflets and saying, you guys need to migrate to this area because at this time the next day or whatever, we're going to blow it to oblivion. I mean, they tried to pre-worn people to get them out of there. And most people have migrated north or wherever they went to.

Yeah, the West Bank or even beyond that. I mean, they also went out of country. I mean, but you also have to keep in mind that these people were literally migrating. They're walking in a lot of cases. And there were instances where they were blown up as they were trying to get to these places. Right. So this was there. Yeah, but what other millions?

has warned their enemy that they're coming. I mean, this is like, again, unheard of. Well, we, well, we have. I mean, the United States has done it. And we've also done supply drops into places like Afghanistan, Iraq, for, for the civilians there. I mean, I know that just firsthand from a lot of people, but, and, and also military and whoever.

But here's, here's my problem with this, with the Gaza thing is you have written for Jerusalem Post before, correct? Yes. Okay. Did you see the article from Jerusalem Post? that they wrote about the leaked document that Israel knew about October 7th a year prior to it happening? I did not, but I know about the, I know about the, you know, consensus of that story.

So what is your consensus of that? Do you not believe that the greatest intelligence agency may be in the world, even over CIA, didn't know about the Hamas planning of October 7th? I do believe that the IDF knew, and what those documents actually say, if you read them, was that the Israeli officials obtained Hamas' battle plan for an attack. They weren't sure that it would happen on October 7th or any other day, but they knew that there could be an attack coming. I mean, Hamas always attacks Israel. It's not much of a surprise. What the IDF has done, though, was there was a complete failure on October 7th.

with the IDF to protect the Israelis in it. And everyone knows that. Everyone agrees that the IDF failed on October 7th. October 7th should have never happened. It was a security breach. But, I mean, what are you, like, are you trying to allude to the fact that the IDF purposefully allowed for October 7th to happen? Like, what's the...

Yes. I do believe that. I do believe that only because there was also a standout order from what, you know, many including I believe that Jerusalem posed. I mean, there was no one around for eight hours after. that attack. So, you know, Hamas? It was, it was, no, no, it was not eight hours. And on October 7th was one of the holiest days in the Jewish calendar. And everyone in general in Israel is in shul, in synagogue, you know, praying. So that's why there was such a shortage of soldiers on

that specific day. So the specific day that happened was when, you know, Israel was at its weakest point because everyone was praying in synagogue. Now, as soon as October 7th happened, that's when everyone got back and started fighting. It was less than eight hours, though. Now, is it true, though, also that like the music festival, is it true that they actually moved that closer to the border two weeks prior to that October 7th event? Because it was originally planned that it was like nine or 10 miles inside of the border walls and then it was like two miles.

So they move that within two weeks of October 7. Yes, but that doesn't mean anything. There's a lot of reasons why they move, why they move festivals and everything like that. I mean, it's a little bit of a crazy, you know, take to say that, like, what benefit would it pose for Israel to allow for October 7th? I mean, Israel is. Well, it poses the benefit to them that they then get to go in and wipe out an entire people

and then take over that land. Did they wipe out an entire people? I mean, if they wanted to wipe out the entire people, Gaza is a one-bomb state. I mean, there's 2 million people. They didn't even make a dent in there. The birth replacement rate right now is still like 3.1 higher than the United States replacement rate. So, I mean, Gaza didn't get wiped out. Their population is still growing.

Their obesity rate is still like 64%. So I don't know. To an extent, they're not like they're not doing that right now compared to how they were before October 7th. Yeah, I don't see, I don't agree with that because, you know, I also know, like, who's going to be, who do you think is going to be over Gaza now that the peace accords are trying to go through? Do you think that Palestine and a two-state solution is going to happen? Because I don't think so. I think it's going to be Israel that takes over that land. A two-state solution was offered, yeah, a two-state solution was offered over six times where Hamas and not only Hamas, but the PLO,

different governments of Palestine repeatedly refused a two-state solution every single time it was offered. The original plan in 1948 was to give Gaza and the Palestinians more land than to give Israel, which, again, they refused. And that same deal, which was given to them like four times, and then through the Oslo Accords and others, you know, they constantly refused a deal. And a two-state solution is obviously not going to happen because Hamas has made it clear and it has made it so clear that it's even in its charter that the destruction of Israel is their top priority. So a two-state solution would only give legitimacy to a state that seeks to destroy not only Israel but the United States too. So I do not believe that a two-state solution is in near sight because Hamas has refused it, number one.

Number two, Israel would never give a state and the world would never give a state to a country that seeks to destroy it. But Gregory, like when you say that, though, you're talking about Hamas the way I feel like you're talking about Hamas is like China, right? Like right across the border, Hamas is China. They're so advanced. They're all this. You have to understand that Israel is one of the most advanced intelligence. They have weapons that we probably don't even know about. They do have nuclear weapons, all that are not technically supposed to have them, but they got secret nukes.

So with all that being said, like how much danger was Israel really ever in besides October 7th? like how much was Israel really at stake from losing and Israel being destroyed from Hamas, which is they have tunnels, they have weird two-way communication devices to get through things. It's not like they actually have any decent weapons. I mean, even like Iran when they tried to help or the Houthis or Hamas, or not Houthis, but the Houthis and Iran and all them, I mean, they did nothing to Israel. They sent over some of these little stupid drones. None of them got through.

Nothing gets through to Israel. I almost guarantee you China could try to attack Israel and they would still be fine. But yet you're talking about Hamas over here like they're China, but they're not. They're as you say, a terrorist organization. There are these people that are running through the little tunnels underground. How much like how how at risk is really Israel to Hamas? I mean, let's just be honest. besides October 7th.

And then there's the reason why it's important when I say that did Israel know about October 7th is because it's very important. You know, I believe they did know about October 7th to justify what's going on now. We also know Benjamin Netanyahu was under indictments and was likely to go in prison. Say again. Like if Israel, my question to you is that what is going on now? because if 60,000 people, or 68,000 is I think the correct number, according to Hamas, people died, which we don't know how many were civilians, we don't know how many were combatants, Israel accomplished nothing with the war, because there were over 2 million people in Gaza, and 60,000 or 68,000 is a very small number compared to 2 million. So what did they accomplish with the war if their goal was to, you know, create a genocide or wipe these people off the map?

What would they accomplish? They didn't accomplish anything. Well, and let me tell you my point to this too is that I think I think my biggest issue with this is that if if we as we talked about in the beginning of the show, if we want to differentiate Jewish people in Israel, right? But the problem is that Israel is not doing that. Israel, the government that is going out, they are killing civilians. How many ever that is, doesn't matter, but whatever, they're killing civilians.

Obviously, yes, the United States has killed civilians too. we've criticized the United States government over and over and over again for eight or nine years now. Every single military has killed civilians. Well, they have, but there is something wait. I mean, let's just say that it was 70,000 civilians that they killed. Like, would that be okay? It wasn't 70,000. Well, okay, but let's just say because, you know, 9-11 happened.

We went to two different wars. Went to Iraq, Afghanistan. We lost over 5,000 troops. We're still losing people because they were. That was because of 4,000 civilian lives. So let's just say then it's 30,000 civilian lives in Gaza. Do you not think that's going to intensify the desire for the people around there to then radicalize more people against Israel and against Jewish people?

Yeah, this war would have never happened if Hamas, which is a government that is elected by the Palestinian civilians, or so-called civilians, if Hamas didn't attack Israel. This war would have never happened. So my question to you would be if the war in Iraq or if let's say when, I don't know, let's say there was an attack on the United States like on 9-11 and then the United States attacked the country that actually created that attack. And it was proven that that country created the attack. Would it be justified to attack that country? I mean, the answer would be yes, obviously.

It's justified. And as long as it's relatively, you know, it's proper. It doesn't really, as long as, you know, everything there is not a war crime, then, yes, it would be proper to attack a nation that threatens your sovereignty and attacks your own civilians. And that's what exactly Israel did. And your point about Hamas and the threat Hamas poses, it's important to note that Hamas is a proxy of Iran. Iran is a country which had the ability, I don't know if they have it anymore, but they definitely had the ability to enrich uranium within two weeks and create a nuclear bomb, which would have created a threat not only to Israel, but to the United States and the rest of the Western world as well. So the threat Hamas poses is really big because it's a proxy of Iran, and that's what we have to understand. Yeah, and I think even with 9-11 and stuff, I mean, there's things that we are complete BS with 9-11.

right i mean i'm not going to get in nine 11 but you know comparing it to october 7th and 9 11 there are things that we still don't know we actually have a podcast coming up with architects and engineers for 9 11 truth that uh these guys over a thousand architects and engineers have got together and and kind of shown that like whatever the official story is on 9 11 is not true it's not accurate it's not not real i don't know what the actual story is but there's something that we've been lied to there right so and if that's the case though we should know like what we have been lied to, what we have been,

you know, taken down a rabbit hole that we probably shouldn't have been. You know, I remember after 9-11, everyone hated Muslims it seemed like, and it was okay. It was like, it was okay to be like,

oh yeah, Muslims are all terrorists. No, it was people hated extreme, the extremist Muslims. Yeah, but if you were on a flight after 9-11 and you had a Muslim guy on your plane,

you know, everyone was like, oh, shit. You looked at him like, oh, gosh, is he going to have a bomb or something? Exactly. But anyways, my point to this is, Gregory, is that I feel like, in my personal opinion,

you had said, you had mentioned something about war crimes, but I feel like that Israel has committed war crimes against Gaza without a doubt, without question. And, you know, if you look at even Afghanistan, what war crime? Well, just killing innocent. I mean, you have to think about Israel and their sophistication as far as how advanced their military is, how advanced their intelligence is. if they can blow up people in Iran in a random apartment complex, pinpoint accuracy, killing a leader of whether it be Hamas or whoever inside of Iran or Quran or Koran, or what's that what's this called?

Kuwait. No, not Kuwait. I mean, it's, no, not quite. But anyways, if they can. Qatar. Qatar. Qatar. I don't know why I'm blinking.

But if they can with pinpoint accuracy, kill a leader, just like the United States can, they've done this multiple and multiple times. They could have been a lot less sloppy in this war in Gaza because I'm just telling you, like, to me, you know,

if we're estimating and not just we're estimating, I mean, the UN, the UN has came in, the, whoever, 20,000 kids, like, that's insane. I mean, it doesn't matter, like, what the reason is, is the fact that Israel

Well, 20,000 kids, again, that's... If we look at the report, which I read, the 20,000 kid number is, again, it's crazy, because once again, it's using Hamas's numbers. That is the only official count that has ever been taken of the amount of people who have been killed in Gaza, number one. Number two, they count a 17-year-old within AK-47 who is charging towards a Hamas soldier as a kid. Obviously, he is a very big threat to Israel. Now, again, I'm not denying the fact that,

Israel has killed civilians because it has. It's inevitable in warfare, especially in urban warfare where the density is extremely, you know, where the density is ridiculous. I think it's one kilometer has like over 6,000 people, which is like the most dense in any urban warfare in modern day history. But again, we are looking at the numbers and at the end of the day, we do not know the total amount of civilians dead. All we know is that there's 60,000 or 68,000 people who have died, which are both civilians and combatants. We don't know, Hamas doesn't

differentiate between them. We know that the total Gaza population is 2 million, so that 68,000 number did absolutely nothing to the 2 million. So there's no genocide that took place because Israel could have done much more if they wanted to. And we also know that

Israel has donated and has given over one million tons of aid, of its own aid, to the people in Gaza. So, I mean, I just don't see where a war crime fits into the picture here. Well, and I just thought it was crazy on October 7th when that first happened and we saw it happening.

It wasn't just Hamas soldiers. It was civilians coming from Palestine killing innocent Jewish people or innocent Israeli people. It wasn't just the Hamas terrorist. It was like civilians. in civilian clothes. Yeah, I mean, Hamas was elected by civilians. It's not like these civilians are 100% innocent

if they elected and still support a terrorist organization to represent them. So we can't separate Hamas and civilians. We can't pretend that they're just fully innocent civilians in Gaza. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Wait a minute.

You're interrupting. I'm sorry, but I got to say this because, like, if we're talking about Hamas is this big threat to Israel, and yet you think that the civilian population is not at a threat by the people that are actually leading that country. They are indoctrinated to hate people in Israel. Well, of course, but so is, but listen, the reality is, though, if you actually think fair elections happen in Gaza, that's, that's crazy, because there's no way.

There's just no way. I mean, if this is such a ruthless, barbaric place, you really think they're going to have like a democratically elected government? Well, let's step back for a minute. What did Gaza or Palestine? What did it look like before October 7th compared to what it looked like now? Were people living? It actually looked very beautiful.

Well, were people living in poverty? Were they in tents? Were they living like, you know, wild people? No. They had very nice houses. It was gorgeous. It was gorgeous in Gaza. The Gaza Strip was one of the most beautiful places on the earth.

Actually. I mean, there's tons of videos of that. Gaza before October 7th was was a, basically its own state to an extent. I mean, obviously it wasn't fully its own state. Israel had conflicts with Gaza long before October 7th. But before October 7th, the Palestinians were living a normal life. I mean, it wasn't like terrible or anything. So you can't say that, you know, it was a horrible place before too. I mean, it wasn't like a prison or anything. It was a nice area. Like Gaza was relatively nice before October 7th. But on your point on if like there's a democratically

elected government in Gaza. I mean, no, the last election that took place was in 2005 when Hamas overwhelmingly got elected. But also, there's nothing to say that these Palestinians don't support Hamas. And there's everything to say that these Palestinians do support Hamas because these same civilians that are claiming to be civilians are the ones who are storing weapons in their house that are owned by Hamas. They're the ones who are supplying aid to Hamas. They're the ones whose kids go and fight for Hamas. So there's nothing to say that these Palestinians don't support Hamas. Oh, and they're keeping the hostages or they were. So do you think that just Palestinians that are born, do you think they just grow up and they just hate Jews because they're Jews?

I mean, do you think they really just? No, I think that they're taught. I think it's for the same reason why Nazis hated Jews. Okay. Well, and maybe, I mean, you could be correct, right? But even still, you know, a lot of people that, I mean, a lot of people that have reached out to us, like, from that area, it's just, it just doesn't seem that way. I mean, it just doesn't seem like the people in Palestine are just Jew haters. Well, let's talk about the religion, too. What is the, okay, the main religion in Palestine is Muslim, but are there a lot of Christians that live there as well? There are in the West Bank, not a lot. I mean, what, 50,000 maybe? There is no Christians that live in Gaza.

If you are a Christian, you would not be able to live in Gaza. West Bank is separate from Gaza. Yeah. Yeah. West Bank is considered like part of Israel, right? Yeah. The West Bank is... It's very confusing. It's technically a sovereign territory.

It's confusing. It's kind of a part of Israel, but it has its own government. It has the PLO as its government, the Palestinian Authority. So it's different from Gaza. It's separate government from Gaza. They're not the same. But both Gaza and Gaza, both Gaza, and the West Bank participated in October 7th.

Obviously, Gaza overwhelmingly participated more and was leading the charge. So what, tell me why Christians would not be allowed to live in Gaza? Because Hamas does not allow any other ethnicity other than its own, you know, ethnicity to live in Gaza. That's why you can't be Jewish and live in Gaza. You can't be Christian and live in Gaza. They are a terrorist organization. kill everyone who is not like them. Not only that, but if you are even in the United States and I don't know, we see all of

these transgender people protest, protest Israel and everything. If a transgender person, LGBTQ, blah, blah, blah person were to go into Gaza, they would be shot right there because there's no LGBTQ in Gaza. Like, it's crazy. But, you know, that's just one of the many points of how. Yeah. I do agree with that. But, you know, keeping in mind, too.

Like how many Christians live in Israel? I'm just curious. Do you guys know? There's a, I think, two million Christians or no, less than two million, but it is, it's third, third religion. I think there's three million Arabs who live in Israel and then one million Christians or something like that. But there's a very big Christian population. Israel is not a, uh, just, you know, it has different religions. All right, Gregor, I'm going to play probably your favorite person.

I'm going to play Nick Fuentes, a clip that he just recently had. He's, he's got, this is only two minutes, though. So, Gregory, you can deal with two minutes. There's two minutes of Nick Fuentes. I do not even know what this clip says, but it says, hey, when you have bring, bring Gregory on, play this clip. I'm going to, it's America First versus MAGA. We were talking about the Republican fracture. Let's hear what Nick Fuentes says.

This is now the dichotomy. You have MAGA on the one side. And what does this even stand for anymore? You got MAGA on one side. What does that even mean? Make America great for who? Make it great for Israel, Indian immigrants, Chinese students, illegal immigrant farm workers. Make America great again for them. Make Israel great. Make America great for the global empire, defense contractors, big pharma, Wall Street, Silicon Valley, Palantir. You got MAGA on the one side. and like I said, Randy Fine, Lindsay Graham, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz. And then on the other side, he got America first. No ambiguity. No ifs, ands, or buts. What does that mean?

America first. Americans first. America only. America first is our credo. Americanism, not globalism, is the credo. Tucker, Frentis, Candice, Marjorie, Thomas Massey, Dan Bielzerian, Myron, Jake Shields. Lucas Gage, all the grades, all the usual suspects. That's the question. Aidan Ross, Sneiko, yay, this is the dichotomy. What are you for? Are you with America first? Are you with MAGA? I think after this month, after this year, 2025 is the year that MAGA died. This is the year that this hat is no longer controversial. The hat is not edgy. The hat is not provocative. It doesn't even mean anything. This hat is dead. This hat is dead. Now, metaphorically speaking, and this is the future. America first is the future. Explicit, unambiguous, direct, actually has denotative meaning.

America first is the credo. There you go. Gregory, what, what if you could tell Nick Fuentes one thing right now, because he does, he does follow us and all that? So he might listen to this. What could you say to him about that thing. Do you disagree or agree with what he says there? Yeah, so I would say that he is wrong, just fundamentally wrong. I don't see where this idea of America first means America only. That is a very, very just one side of point. If America only was the fact, then America would not be first,

and America would not exist anymore. So look, you can support Israel, you cannot support Israel, but it's definitely a very big stretch to say that America versus America only. Really? So you think that America versus America only? Why do we need other countries like Israel? Because, I mean, that's really what we're talking about. Why do we need Israel?

Our biggest ally. Why does America need Israel? Israel provides and is the only democracy in the Middle East. It has provided security for the United States for decades. It has provided intelligence for the United States for decades. We have the best technology. ever to exist out of Israel. I mean, Israel creates technology that the current military in the United States uses.

I mean, the CIA uses most of Israel's technology. So, like, Israel is an untangible asset. And just in general, we need Israel as not only a democracy, but also as a state that contributes to the United States and spreads Western values in the Middle East. desperately. We need that. And not to mention that Israel is a Jewish state. And America obviously needs Jews. America needs for the Jewish people to have good relations with the United States because of what the Jewish people in general provide to the United States.

So what, okay, so, okay. Okay. Oh, my God. I got, I got a couple of things. Number one, we're saying Israel is a democracy, but we know B.B. Netanyahu has been in power. His first term was 1996. No, 1996, 99. His second term was from 2009 to 2021. Third term, current term, is from 2022 to present. What do we feel like, what is a democracy in the United States? Do we have more than two terms?

Or at what point does B.B. Netanyahu become a dictator in Israel? Wait, so just because Netanyahu was elected more than once, that makes him a dictator, I don't think that's a good point, just because the people elected him. and Israel doesn't have term limits doesn't mean that the United or that doesn't mean that Netanyahu is a dictator. He's definitely not a dictator because Israel has a parliamentary system. So it's very different from the United States. So term limits just don't work in that's government system. But isn't it coincidental though that like right before that he was about to be indicted and probably put in prison that this war happened on October 7th to where it is superseded in all of those policies?

I don't believe he would have been put in prison. And the thing that he was indicted for was a very stupid, unhinged, undemocratic thing, very similar to what happened to Donald Trump in the United States over the last three years. Okay. What do you think the majority of the population in Israel feels about Bibi? Well, I know that they feel that Bibi is a good leader because they are the ones who voted in Bibi. And he is still in majority support, whether that majority is not as big of a gap. I think he has like 42% when the other leading candidate has like 20 or something. But it depends. I mean, he definitely lost some support because of October 7th, but still overwhelmingly the population of Israel supports him.

Okay. So let me ask you this. So you had said that, you know, the United States must have Israel or Jews in the United States to survive. But you don't, you're a Jewish person, right? You don't believe in Jesus Christ as the Savior, correct? No, I do not. Okay. So with that being said, if America was founded in foundational beliefs on the Christian nation,

which is America, just say, for example, if it was like Israel, even though the United States necessarily is not, because we have allowed, we have allowed all of these people and to kind of, I don't know, blur our lines with like what our actual values and morals are in America. But let's just say that like Israel had the same thing happening there to where you had all these people. And Israel was no longer a Jewish state. It was a state of everybody that was battling for their identities, their ideological values, their moral compasses, their religious beliefs. So Israel became that state. So it was no longer a Jewish state.

it was a United States of Israel instead of United States of America, right? No, they wouldn't let it happen. But America has. So the reason I say this is because as a Christian, in my opinion, as a Jesus believer and as Christians believe that like you can't get to heaven without Jesus and yet Jewish people believe that you obviously don't need Jesus. Well, they're waiting for the Savior. Yeah, which is they believe is not Jesus. my point to this is like why does America need Jewish people that completely do not align with their core foundational Christian beliefs?

So we're talking about the Republican Conservative Party, which are the ones that are heavily supporting and taxpayer money is going to Israel. We're funding a nation that does not even believe in the way that we get to heaven. Why do we need the Jewish people in the state and in America? Great question. So Jewish people in general overwhelmingly share the exact same morals as Christian. Yes. Christians do simply because Christianity as a whole is a religion based off Judaism, based off Judaic values.

So they are very, very similar. Yes, there are differences in saviors and Jesus Christ, but the values and the moral lines at the end of the day are almost exactly the same. That's why the New Testament, I mean, the Old Testament, which is both shared by, for Jewish and Christian people is the foundation of our country. And that's what we have seen. The United States was built on an idea that not necessarily Christianity is the religion of the United States, but Judeo-Christian values are the core emphasis of the United States. And that's what we have seen. And that's what Jews hold to their account too. And there's a lot of other reasons why we need Jews, simply because Jewish people hold 2.2% of the world's wealth when they make up

less than 0.02% of the entire world population. So I think you can understand. I mean, I don't mean to stereotype my own people, but at the end of the day, Jews are... You just did it. Jews are... Jews are wealthy. They are smart. They are, you know, they are good people. So that's what the United States needs them. I mean, where would we be without Albert Einstein? So, okay, so let me ask you this. Do you think that, and here's the biggest difference in my opinion, and I'm just talking to like religious, right? I'm not talking to anti-Semitism.

I'm talking about religious, right? Do you think that Jesus would have done and reacted the same way that Israel did in Gaza by killing all those innocent civilians as Israel did? Do you think Jesus would have done that, even though you don't believe in Jesus as a savior? But Christian values, America first values, these American values, that believe that Jesus Christ is king. He is a savior. He is the only one. Do you believe that he would have killed all those civilians? Or do you think he would have probably done this a little different? Because the Jewish people don't believe there's a savior. They don't believe that that person. No. No, they don't exist.

Well, no, no, no. They don't believe he exists right now. They do not believe Jesus Christ. For the savior. Yeah, they're still waiting. But they also did essentially give up Jesus Christ to the Romans to be executed, to be crucified. So what I'm saying is, Do you think that Jesus would have done the same things that Israel did in Gaza? Or do you not think that based on what you know about Jesus Christ? I think Israel acted with the utmost moral responsibility that any other nation could have in their conduct in Gaza. And there has been nothing to say that it hasn't because we don't even know how many people died. I mean, it's all Hamas's numbers once again.

So I would say that anyone with morals who supports their people, who supports Western values would have conducted the same, if not a worse job at what Israel has conducted in Gaza. But I wanted to ask you, like, what is the other option? What should have Israel done in this situation, Gaza? It's called strategic attacks. It's called using your intelligence, using all of your necessary. I mean, that's what they did.

Well, no, but no. That's why one million civilians in a time. Israel literally create, I mean, they intercepted pagers and put explosives in them. Oh, God, I love that. Yeah, I mean, they did. Which, by the way. Which is why, I mean, look, I'm not disagree with that, by the way.

I'm not disagreeing with that. I am not disagreeing with that. Like, if you're a Mossad, you're Israel, you have this advanced intelligence. Absolutely, you should do stuff like that for sure. And you should go in. You should, you know, pinpoint accuracy. Go after the guys. send your IDF in and go after the guys under the tunnels in the hospitals,

wherever you're saying that these people are utilizing the civilian structures, whatever. Send your guys in, send special forces in, send all your dudes in, but do not kill civilians. Now, you can say and argue that. Chad, come on now. That's what we've done many times. No, we haven't. We have.

There's always civilian casualties. No, no, no, no. I'm not saying we have to kill civilians. I'm not saying we have not killed civilians. I know we have. And the thing is, I don't know if you remember the guy, Gregory. Do you remember the guy that, like, killed himself, blew himself up outside of Las Vegas in a cyber truck? Do you remember that guy, the special forces operator?

Yeah, yeah. Okay. So that guy in part of his manifesto, he had talked about in the first section of it, he said the drones that were over New Jersey were Chinese drones. For whatever reason he wanted to put this in his kind of last message. And then there was there was also this huge section to where. where he talked about his involvement in killing innocent civilians. And it was like nine innocent civilians that he was highlighting in his tour. I think it was Afghanistan.

Yeah, it was Afghanistan. It was Afghanistan. And so he wanted to make this, he felt like in his messaging that this would be something massive for the American people to, it was almost like a whistleblower finally coming through and saying, hey, our military killed this many civilians. We probably knew they were civilians, but we didn't necessarily know. that's like how much America's stance on killing civilians should be. But then compare that, right, to a whistleblower that's going to blow himself up in front of Las Vegas, I think the sphere or whatever, to what Israel has done in Gaza. It's just not comparable.

And we have to have a very high level. What do you mean? It's not comparable. Well, it's not comparable. I agree it's not comparable. And that Israel has done a significantly better job than the United States in prediction. protecting civilians, which has been shown in, I don't know, the conduct in Afghanistan. But, I mean, like, Israel, if anything.

But Gregory, civilians are in Gaza, too. Civilians are in Gaza, too. So you can't say they've done a better job. They've done a better job at protecting your civilians, not Gaza civilians. No. How many Gaza's civilians would have had to die for you to say it's okay? Like, what was the number? If, let's say, I don't know, 60,000 people died.

What would be the number for your ideal? Like, you would be okay with it? I don't want any civilians to die. I mean, that's just me. And obviously, no, no, they had to do something. I 100% get that. But I still go back to they are an advanced government. And actually, we had a podcast probably a year ago to where we were talking about the most powerful nations.

We actually put Israel on number two level, probably. beyond the United States, you know, you think of China, you think of Russia, that's all a bunch of hoopla. I think Israel is probably the second most powerful nation in the world. And maybe they are comparable. If you look at their intelligence operations, they are likely comparable to the CIA. So the reason why I say this is because if you have that type of operation, like they could have done so much better at protecting civilian life. And they didn't because they didn't care enough to protect those people because they feel like the people in Gaza and Palestine are their enemies.

Just like the Jews are saying that those people are their enemies. You're kind of saying it's like Operation Northwood or something. Like they allowed this to happen so they could go after the people. That's what you're kind of saying. Yes, that. But I also believe Israel could have done way better of a job of protecting the civilian life. Any other situation. But he explained.

That was a huge religious day or whatever. No, it doesn't matter. Gregory, tell me a time where the United States has killed that many civilians in any war, besides maybe Vietnam, because Vietnam was bad. But tell me a time. Tell me one war. What, when has, when we, so first off, we don't know how many civilians died in Gaza. Once again, I'm going to go back to this point.

Let's just say 40,000. Let's say 100,000. It could be 10. Let's say 40. Let's say 40,000. 40,000. That would mean that out of 40,000 out of, let's say, 60,000 or 68,000 people who died, that would mean that, what is that math? I don't know.

Let's say one third was combatants and two civilians, right? Plus, this, like, what is a civilian in Gaza? It's still not very clear. What is morally a civilian and what is not a civilian? if you are harboring a rocket and you are not actually fighting, are you a civilian? I don't know. I mean, like, you still pose a threat to Israel. So let's say that Israel had a one-two-three combatant ratio, which it probably had a much less.

But let's say it had a one-to-three combat ratio. I would still think that would be moral because Israel is in the toughest circumstance in any other modern-day warfare in history. There has been no other modern-day urban. warfare, where it has been as densely populated as Gaza, where the enemy has been embedding itself within civilians, where the civilians have been protecting the enemy from getting, you know, in trouble or anything. And there has been no other military that has been as supportive to Gaza's civilians as the IDF did.

So, I mean, like, this is just the narrative that Israel is doing such a bad job is just not true. It has done a wonderful job. Could it have done better? Yes, every single military could have done better. The ideal circumstance would be that no civilians died, but that's just not feasible. Yeah. Yeah, I get what you're saying, man. I look, I'm glad we're having this conversation.

I'm giving my opinions to this and you're giving yours, obviously. But I also want to talk about Marjorie Taylor Green because we get to talk about a Republican divide because that's what's happening right now. The Republican base is fractured. And do you guys both think it's because of Israel? Do you think it is? It is. It absolutely is. I think it 100% is.

Greg, Gray. What about you? Go ahead, Greg, Gary. I think Israel is a contributor. It's not the only reason for the divide. It is contributing to the divide, but it's more of a divide based off policies we have seen. For example, immigration is a big one. H-1B visas, all of that stuff.

That kind of goes into one. No, but we're talking about Republicans. between isolationism and, you know, Republicans as we see them play out under the Trump administration. But, Gregor, we're talking about Republicans. Tell me one thing other than Israel that Republicans are divided on besides, well, actually, well, the Epstein files for sure. Like, they're definitely divided on that. Okay.

Epstein files, yeah, sure. And by the way, guess what? I mean, there's a lot of things. Epstein files might go back to Israel as well, Gregory. how i'm sorry i hate to say in what way how does how does the epstein files have anything to do with well we're gonna get uh actually israel is mentioned that we're gonna get in that actually um let me let me let me play this gregory for you this is mark levin uh you probably know he is right have you ever met mark levin of course oh you of course i already knew i already but by the way i want to tell people

you did know Charlie Kirk right? I did. Yeah. So you had met him and going to talk to him, whatever. Tell us your experience with him. Yeah, he actually invited. Yeah, he's a wonderful. He was a mentor to me.

And, you know, he invited me actually the last time we spoke, like a week before he died, he invited me to speak at America Fest in December. And then he, you know, unfortunately that everything happened. But I was very excited. It was like a wonderful opportunity. everything. But really he's like a lot of our conversations focused on education, on K through 12 education because of the, you know, just in general indoctrination of children in the public school system. And that's what we focused on because I write a lot about that. But, you know,

in general, he's just such a wonderful person and it's such a tragic loss and what happened with him. Yeah. And Gregory, I think, you know, just the reason I don't, I wanted to ask you that is because, I mean, the divide in the Republican Party is huge right now. And although we 100% disagree, I guess, on the Israel topic, I can guarantee you, Gregory, that you as a 17-year-old, we probably agree on 90% of everything else. You know, I don't agree with you on the Israel thing. But I do agree with you.

Yeah, Sherry probably does. Yes, I do. But I do not agree with you on. on that 10%, right, which is fine. But unfortunately, that 10% is killing an entire movement. Like Donald Trump had some of the biggest numbers, the biggest approval ratings that any president has ever had in an election. Like leading into 2024 and after 2024, he was huge. He was massive.

Like in Donald Trump's own terms, huge, the biggest. and Trump had all, he had all of that. And now it's like there is this divide. Now, you can say, you can, some people can say that this is a coordinated effort from the left that's trying to divide the Republican Party. I don't think that's the case. I truly do not. I can identify pretty well, like when the left and when Democrats want to actually divide and how they do that, like it's either usually race or whatever. But we also have to keep in mind that there are a lot of Democrats that are all.

also heavily funded by APEC, right? And so they can't necessarily try to divide the Republican Party on Israel because they're also funded by Israel. So it's very hard for them to do that. The one thing almost over anything that Republicans and Democrats agree with in large part is Israel, actually. No, I think there's a lot of Democrats that hate Israel. Well, there's a big divide.

I mean, the Democrat Party has long gone with Israel and Jews in general. They are much worse in their support for Israel than the Republicans are. are especially the people who get elected in the Democrat Party. So we see that in general, Democrats are very unsupportive of Israel, like mainstream Democrats, like AOC, Rashida-Talib, I don't know, are, but most mainstream Republicans are still very much in support of Israel. And by the way, those people you mentioned are like our Muslim, Muslim Democrats. You're talking about AOC, Talib. Those are from the Muslim side, right?

Yeah, but those are the leaders of the Democrat Party. Yeah, those are the leaders of the party now. And by the way, do you only tell you why they're going to become leaders even bigger than they are now? Is Israel? Like, I mean, if like, ma'am Donnie, ma'am, donnie, I think the entire reason. Ma'am dummy. The entire reason he was elected was because people felt like he was not funded by Israel or APEC. And so that's what led to Ma'am Donnie's New York mayoral election.

Is that victory? I don't think that's necessarily true, too. Let me just say this real quick. I don't think that's necessarily true. He's a socialist. There's a lot of kids, Gregory's age and a little older, that can't even get their own homes right now. Like now Trump is saying we're going to get a 50-year mortgage to get a house or whatever.

Kids are like, what the heck? We can't even survive on our own anymore. Let's do anything to get. get ahead. So, yeah, he is saying, listen, we're going to give you guys everything we can, and we're going to take from the rich and give to the poor so that everybody can have a great life. This is what socialists do, but it doesn't work. No, it doesn't. No, you're right. 100%.

Here's Mark Levin. Gregory, I want to play this real quick. Mark Levin, this is what he had to say. You know, Mark Levin is obviously a big spokesperson for Israel, even though he's an American and he's on Fox News. but, you know, he's more so talking about Israel than America anymore. So here's what Mark Levin has to say, listen. The cowards were surrounded by cowards who have microphones of TV cameras, who have websites, who have columns, cowards.

It's spelled C-A-R-L-S-O-N. It's spelled F-U-E-N-T-E-E-S. It's spelled O-W-E-N-S. It's spelled B-A-N-N-O-N. It's spelled Marjorie Trader Green. You can figure that out yourself. And they're not alone. How are we going to attack the Mondamis and the Talibs and the Omar's and the Sanders and the rest of them

when in our own house this poison is spreading? We've got to take care of business. We can fight. the enemy on the other side. But the problem is, the more daunting problem, the more complicated problem is when they're in our house and they're trying to take over our house. I'm going to play the rest of this, Gregory, but this is when Mark Levin is talking about our house, he's talking about Israel.

He's not talking about America. We are America. I think he's talking about the Republican Party. Well, I think he's talking about Israel. Why is that? I think he's talking about, okay, well, let's not. Okay, well, let's play some more. Here you go.

And they're burning down our house. And they're destroying America First. And they're destroying MAGA. And they're destroying the Republican Party, which means they're destroying the country. Either speak up and stand out, but don't be a pretender. Don't be a pretender. We need help to deal with these people. These aren't policy disputes.

These aren't personality issues. We're talking about liberty versus tyranny, good versus evil, right versus wrong, democracy versus terrorism, Western Enlightenment versus seventh century barbarians, the greatest generation versus the Third Reich, Chamberlain versus Hitler, Reagan versus Stalin. Is it really that tough to call these buffoons out? And to set the record straight, no, it's not. So I'm glad to see the courage that's pouring off this stage. I really am, and some of them deserve a pat on the back. But we need more. We need more. We need more.

You don't come here, say things, and go home, and forget about it. I stay up at night's thinking about this stuff. weekends thinking about this stuff, how we're going to fight it, how we're going to confront it, how we're going to defeat it, and you do it first and foremost by calling it out. That's what you do. This is America first, not the sick rantings of unaccomplished Neanderthals who have social media sites who've contributed absolutely nothing to this country. Zero. What have they contributed? What have they done? Nothing.

All right. So there you go. I don't need more. That was Mark Levin. And you'll me tell you why he is so angry at Marjorie Taylor Green? Well, let's listen. We're going to play you why he's so mad at people like Tucker Carlson and Marjorie Taylor Green. We'll get a couple clips, but here you go. Talk about the social media influencers. I made two posts about this today. I find it highly offensive as an American that social media influencers can get paid basically under the table and no one knows who is paying them and who is sponsoring them. So today I made two posts. I made one post calling for any social media influencer if they are getting paid by a foreign country that they have to register under Farah. They have to register under Farah through the Department of Justice. The second post I made probably about an hour ago is I posted that, as a matter of fact, all social media influencers, they should have a badge or an icon or a different color checkmark that lets the American people know that they take money for their post, whether it's political, corporate sponsorships or on behalf of a foreign government.

I think these paid social media influencers need to, it's just like on TV on, you know, you have to talk about who is sponsoring your program. Broadcasters have to say this message is brought to you by XYZ. I think it should be the same for social media influencers. But the biggest part, Matt, is when it comes to them taking from foreign governments. They should have to disclose that. they should have it should be made available to the American people. And especially our MAGA influencers that are so-called America first, you know, the biggest message they need to hear is they're not America first if they're taking payments by a foreign government.

And I agree with that. And Marjorie Taylor Green also has something to say about, this is what you said to Tucker Carlson. I want to play this. And then, Gregory, I got a lot to ask you because, Yeah, here you go. Jewish people. This is about the government of Israel. This is about their military.

And this is about them demanding, nonstop demanding America, pay attention to Israel, do what Israel wants, fight Israel's wars, and pay for them. And if you don't, then we're going to come after anyone and everyone that gets in the way of that. And if you're wondering why people are talking about primaring me, well, it's because I don't take any money from APEC. I've called for APAC to be registered under FARA. I've introduced amendments to defund all of our American tax dollars from going to Israel every single year, billions and billions of dollars every single year. But I've also done that for a slew of other countries. It's not just Israel.

It's a whole bunch of other countries, Egypt, Ukraine, you name it. I'm just like enough of the foreign aid. But if you're willing to step out and you're actually to say, hey, we're not middle. We're MAGA. And there's a major difference there. Then there is a group of people that come at you with everything they have. And that's what they're doing. They've got bots attached to my account that load my comment sections with ridiculous lies.

They've got paid social media influencers that literally get paid by Israel or by Israel-aligned donors to attack me constantly every single day. but let me tell you something, Tucker, people are too smart nowadays, and that's what's great. People have had it, and I think they learned a lot of lessons through COVID. They learned how to see through the lies and read through the propaganda,

and there may be this, like, a little flurry of attack on me that exist on X, you know, but out in the real world, that's not what I feel, and those are not the comments that I get. There's Marjorie. Taylor Green.

Yeah, And let's let Gregory respond. Well, hey, I have a question for Gregory. Gregory, have you ever been paid by APEC or any Jewish organization at all ever? I have never in, I, I'm actually thinking about this because I don't know if, I have never even been paid by a Jewish newspaper. I don't know if that counts. But no, I have never even been paid by any sort of Jewish or Israeli organization in my life. So you're not getting $7,500 to be on our podcast tonight.

I if I if I did I I would be very happy but unfortunately no so so so when you wrote for the Jerusalem post you didn't get paid for that no I actually did not I was thinking about it but no I wish I did I should have actually probably asked for money but no yeah I did not so so do you believe that there are influencers that are paid to push the Israel kind of narrative and and I guess I guess I can say propaganda but regardless, I mean, whether you believe it true or not. I mean, do you believe there are people that are paid for that? Yeah, I have never heard of any credible evidence of any sort of Jewish influencer or Israeli influencer,

or influencer period, being paid by Israel to spread propaganda or information. And how did you find, how did you find us exactly? I found you. I'm a, I'm a listener to your. for show. Okay. Well, the reason I asked is because we've been kind of critical of Israel. So I thought when you reach out to us, it's like maybe this is Israel or some faction that is reaching out from a 17-year-old kid that is trying to influence a message.

Yeah, because Gregory, I need half of that right now. I don't know. I mean, I'm just curious. All right. So if there's anyone who knows how to, you know, get on the list of being paid. Israel owes me a lot of money. So please. All right.

So what do you think is the out here on the Republican Party from Israel? Because there is two different sides. We've talked about it a lot. I mean, the Christian Jewish religion side, we've talked about it from the America First versus everything else. You said that you believe that we have to have, you know, these countries that we cooperate with or are heavily involved with. How do you fix this process?

with the Republican Party because I don't think that what we're talking about right now, I don't think this is a fix. Like if they're hearing our conversation right now, they're going to be like, I either completely disagree with Gregory or me. It could be vice versa, right? Or whatever. But either way, Republicans are going to be screwed in 2026. I feel like that we're going to lose. Yeah. In the midterms, I feel like we're going to lose in 2028.

Yeah. So how do we fix it? In our own, like, home, we are. divided with this. Yeah. How do you fix it, Gregory? I agree. And I don't think there's an easy fix to this, but what I will say is that the issue of Israel in general has been contested for a long time. And there has always been a part of the Republican Party that has not supported Israel, obviously not to the extent that we are seeing now. But, you know, Republicans have been winning or before this election have been winning a lot. I mean, the election of Donald Trump, the election

of, you know, all the Republicans controlling, you know, the half. and, you know, many state governments. I mean, that has provided a lot of wins for Republicans, which naturally gives a lot of people an impression that the Republican Party is, you know, the party that will stay in power for ages to come or however long. And that's why there's this divide. People feel comfortable about allowing for this divide. People feel comfortable about, you know, separating from, I don't know, Donald Trump

because at the end of the day, Donald Trump would still be in power. But I don't know, let's say this happened two years ago. Then there would be no one who would ever allude to any sort of divide within the Republican Party. Everyone would be back in Donald Trump because we wouldn't be in power. So I don't think there's an easy fix to this. However, I do think the cause of this is clear and that is because Republicans have been winning. But as soon as Republicans are going to start to lose again, which it already is starting to happen, that is really going to show, you know, the Republican Party in general that,

we can't afford these divides. Yeah. Well, and it's obvious because there was a clean sweep like last week. Yeah. All these Democrats, socialist Democrats, are now in roles where they're going to dictate what happens in their cities. Yeah, for sure. Do you believe that, you know, I mean, especially with Israel goes, I mean, there's a big thing,

right? I mean, we got a big problem. We got a big problem. The Israel problem is the. big problem. And do you believe that the Israel today that they're referring to on mainstream media is Israel the Bible talks about? What do you mean by that? The Israel of like the government are you talking about the old testament? Listen, listen, listen. When the mainstream media talks about that Israel is Israel, we got to protect them, we got to stand by them, we got to support them,

we got to do all these things. Do you feel like that's what the Bible was talking about? I think you're talking about the Old Testament. I don't think the Bible references the current government of Israel in any sort of way. I don't think it alludes to the fact that somehow people are morally obligated to protect Israel because the Bible says so. I don't believe Netanyahu is in the Bible. But what I do believe is that the Bible alludes to the protections of morals and of moral states and spreading moral ideals. and that's what Israel that's what Israel stands for

so in that regard yes Israel including every other Western democracy that supports Judeo-Christian values should be protected however definitely it is not according to the Bible that the United States should send money to Israel that's just a stupid

you know point that I don't know I don't agree I agree and in the Bible it talks about only a remnant will remain from the original Israel. And, you know, but the problem, Gregory, for me, is that this Israel is trying to betray to the world that they are the Israel that Bible is talking about. And that's my problem. It's not, it's not their Israel the Bible talks about. Well, because they, I mean, they,

they want you to believe that like, like most people, including Sherry. Well, the separation of religion and state. Yeah, but I know. But Sherry, even your stance and like a lot of Jewish people stance is like you have to stand with Israel. But that's not what the Bible says. That is completely separated from this government. But it's not just because of the Bible. It's because they are strong. I mean, there's a lot more in the Bible that says support for Israel.

Exactly like I mentioned, from a moral standpoint, the Bible protects or supports Western values and in general Judeo-Christian values, which is what Israel stands for. So in that sense, yes, the Bible does. But Israel is not Western values. Yeah, it is. Of course. How is it not? How is it not,

Israel is not Western values. How is it not? Because Israel is not Western values. They are, the United States is Christian values. The Israel is not Christian values. To me, what separates is Western values is Christian values.

The United States is Judeo Christian values. Judeo Christian values include the values of both religions. Yeah, but you're saying Judea Christian. Like that's like saying, Muslim Jewish? Like, that's literally what it's saying. Christianity is based off Judaism. It is a very similar religion.

By the way, I do want to say, Muslims actually at least believe that Jesus Christ was a someone that was going to come down and be a savior. Jewish people would not believe that. Yes, they do. They do not believe that. No, but Jewish people believe in a lot more. Wait, what is the argument here? Do not see how Judaism is the basis of Christianity?

because it is. You're talking about Old Testament. You're talking about Old Testament. Yeah. Okay. So, but you're talking about the basis of Christianity, but the basis, you can't argue basis of Christianity when the Jewish people do not even believe in the, okay. But Christian does not go back to Jesus.

Oh, it does. Listen, the entire reason that Christianity believes in the Old Testament is because of the prophecies. The prophecies that talked about Jesus as a Savior in the Old Testament, right? that's exactly what Jewish people do not believe in. So when we talk about Judeo-Christian values, before Jesus, the Old Testament was the Christian. Christians were Jewish before they were Christian.

And before Jesus, everyone believed in the Old Testament. I don't agree with that because the only way that Christians came about was because of Jesus Christ. No, but they believed in the Old Testament first. Who were Christians before? Okay, but listen. Hold on. Hold on. One second. One second. The reason why Christians believed in the Old Testament was because of the prophecy of Jesus Christ. No, not the prophecy of Jesus Christ, but the prophecy of a Savior coming back.

You could literally do away with the Old Testament as Christians if it wasn't for the prophecies of Jesus Christ, the Savior. That's what I'm telling you. The entire New Testament is based off the Old Testament, though. Yeah, but I understand that. I understand it. But you as a Jewish person do not believe. in Jesus. Before the New Testament, which would mean before Jesus' time, what religion were Christians? Like, who did, who, what was Christianity? It didn't exist before Jesus, right? Because the New Testament didn't. You're right. So Christians before Jesus, Christians before Jesus were Jewish.

But what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is like, why do you believe that Christians value the Old Testament? What do you think in the Old Testament that they value Old Testament for? They value the old Testament because of the prophecies of the Savior of the Savior. No, they value the Old Testament because the prophecies of the Savior, which was Jesus Christ. Wait, so, but what's the, if they value the Old Testament period, then that means that they value the exact values of Judaism. No, no. Without, without Jesus. What is a value, a moral value that isn't shared between Jesus and Christianity? So, so can you have the New Testament? without the Old Testament?

Like, as a Jew, would you believe in the New Testament? Would you believe in a New Testament without the old? Wait, as a what? Sorry, can you repeat? So you wouldn't believe in anything in the New Testament as a Jew because you don't believe in Jesus as a Savior, right? Well, they don't believe in the New Testament. Exactly.

But the point in the only reason Christians believe in the Old Testament is because of the prophecies of the Savior with the Jewish people missed, which was Jesus. That's the only reason that Christianity still has the Old Testament in their Bible. The only reason. Other than that, other than that, what is your argument? Well, my argument. Well, okay.

Wait, wait, wait, no, because Christians supported, Christian supported the Old Testament before Jesus came. Christian supported the Old Testament. So it's not because of Jesus that they supported it. They have always been originally, you know, the Old Testament was always a part of Christianity. But now when there was a divide between Christianity, but that was before, but that was before, but that was before the Savior, Gregory. And there were Jews that was that.

Yes. And when the Savior came, or the Christian, when Christians had Jesus. They believe that Jesus. They believe that Jesus died on the cross, that he was resurrected and died for our sins, and Jewish people do not believe that. Yes, that was a continuation

of the biblical times. Jesus was a continuation of the Old Testament. So with all that being said, then why do we have to have Jewish people in our country to survive. Like if Christians believe wholeheartedly that we believe Jesus Christ's our Savior. I mean, no, but let's know. Hold on.

Hold on one second. If we believe that, you know, all these laws in America and all around the world, they say you cannot be anti-Semitic. You're allowed to be anti-Muslim, anti-Islam, even though anti-Muslim. No, you're not. I don't think you should. No, no, no, but you're basically allowed. They don't have laws.

They don't have these big groups and mainstream media going to. against, you know, anybody that goes against Muslims. They actually kind of encourage that now. I am very, I think you should. I don't think anyone should be anti-Islam. I think you should be anti-radicalism, but I'm definitely not anti-Islam. I actually, it's one of my pet peeves of the Republic. Do you only tell you my problem with Muslims?

My problem with Muslims is that they have a radicalization that is the sword versus the cheek, right? So they believe that if you are a non-believer of their religion, based on Muhammad and whatever, then you should be like there there is this faction of the Quran that believes that hey if you do not believe that you should be killed that there are ideas radicalize yeah there are ideological factions that believe that but but also we don't support them of course of course not there is ideological like fractions of every religion yeah jews are you going to believe in all of them or not well i believe in jesus christ and what i believe in jesus christ and what i'm telling you is that to me as an American, American first, America always, and a Christian, I do not believe I need Jewish people or Israel at all, 100% zero percent. I do believe that I will pray for the Jewish people that do not accept Jesus Christ, the same way that I'm going to pray for Muslims and pray for any other religion. But that does not mean that what we talked about earlier, Gregory, with Israel, this Israel,

is not the same Israel the Bible, because we know that's not the case. Yeah. So what that means to me is that I'm not going to support Israel because of some biblical narrative. I'm only Israel. Is that biblical narrative? Yeah, it is.

You either believe the Bible or you don't. Exactly. But the Bible does not, the Bible literally goes into Jesus Christ. It's not a good argument. It's not fair to make the argument that because of the Bible, you should support it Israel. But because the Bible, if you are a religious person, supports again, Western,

values, moral values, because of the Bible supports that, that is why you should be supporting that all around the world, not just Israel. But that's not my main argument. I just don't think Israel. I don't think Israel's Western values. I just don't. What in Israel is not aligned with Western values? Because if we did what we did, if the United States did what Israel did in Gaza, we would be

the biggest piece of shit on the earth. But we are, though. But now we're going in circles. Well, we have. We have that. Yeah, we are going in circles. But my point is, is that I, you, listen, you can't tell me that we have to have Israel and Jewish, the Jewish religion in America to survive as Americans.

We can't. We're a Christian nation. We believe in Jesus Christ. We don't believe in non-Jesus Christ. We are not a Christian nation. We are a nation under God. Whatever God that believe, that the people believe is the God. I'm a Christian I don't believe in and Jews that do not believe in Jesus Christ as a Savior.

So wait, where do you think our world would be without Jews? Like we wouldn't have ways. We wouldn't have Herbert Einstein. It would be a sad world. I'll be honest. Well, it would also probably be less controlled and less censorship. What censorship do Jews use? Okay.

Let me ask you a couple of people. Lord Jacob Rothschild What was his religion? What was he? So because he's Jewish, how about Jeffrey Dahmer? Oh no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, he was.

What if he didn't? Yeah, he was. So should we now, what about? Should we now not have any Christians? Okay, but, but did, but did Jeffrey Dahmer have like influence over world politics and government and economy? How about, I don't know, uh, Joe Biden.

He was Christian or Catholic, right? Yeah, but I mean, shit, I mean, come on. Dude, he didn't have any of anything. How about what about George Soros? What about George Soros? What about it? Wait, but this is a suit. We could continue listing, a list.

But at the end of the day, just because someone's religion is important or something. So the reason I'm going back to this, by the way, the reason I'm going back to this, I'm not, I'm not trying to go against Judaism. I'm going to the fact that you can say that your religion is something and be a complete piece of shit. just like Israel is trying to hide behind the Jewish anti-Semitic religion for their, in my opinion, things and actions that I don't agree with. And so, so that's what I'm saying. Jewish people, I believe, are very good people. I believe that I would never go against Jewish people because they're Jewish. Well, you shouldn't.

And do you want me to tell you what? You only tell you what I would do for Jewish people? I would pray for them. just like the Bible says. And I would pray for them because I would want them to accept Jesus. I would want them to like see that Jesus is the Savior. Now, are they going to do that?

I don't know. That's not whatever. But I feel like the Bible when it says to pray for the Jews, I think it's telling you to pray for the Jews that they accept Jesus as their Savior. Now, do I hate the Jews? Absolutely not. But do I, but do I hate Muslims? No, I don't.

The problem is, is like, like, with our government and Israel's government, we have a huge divide. The Bible continually talks about the difference between the kingdom and the people. And the kingdom and the Bible is always talking about the government. And the government in Israel is corrupt, just like our government is. I'm not saying there's a difference. I think our government's corrupt as well. I think that we have not even got into the Epstein files and Trump.

and I'm not even saying Trump is necessarily implicated. I'm just saying that like governments are corrupt. They are implicated. And unfortunately right now, there are people that are connecting Israel government and Jews. And I don't think that's fair. That's the same way that you would connect Americans with Biden, right? Like, it's the exact same way. Well, no, because Israel, well, you would connect Americans with Biden.

Of course you would because Biden was the leader of the United States. But what I'm saying is that the reason why people connect Israel with Jews is because Israel is a Jewish state. It's the only Jewish state. And it is the only thing that is preventing another Holocaust, for example, from occurring. Because it is the only true state that is the defender of Jews. So that is why it's so important. So you can't really separate the two. But again, it doesn't mean that an attack on Israel is an attack on Jews.

I'm not saying that. I think that's wrong. But it does mean that if you are singular, like singly targeting Israel for no good reason, and you're trying to provoke a, I don't know, like anti-Israel thing when the United States has other countries that it sends money to. And you don't talk about that. Then it comes into question. But again, I don't believe that just because you target Israel or someone target Israel, it's antisemitic. It's a stupid point. I think that people that are listening, you know, and the MAGA divide, this is a huge thing right now.

And if we care about America, right, like we have to be America first. So you may hate people like Nick Flintez or Tucker Carlson. And it's like America first, Marjorita Green, America first. But the moment that people start thinking that we care more about other countries than our own or maybe that other countries are controlling our politics or whoever, that's when people start to, they will do anything, that they will go to the other party and vote for them. And I feared that's what's going to happen. And as I was talking about earlier,

I don't think this has anything to do with Jewish people. I don't have a problem. I mean, the only thing with Jewish people, like I would say, like, I hope that they find Jesus, right? Like I, or I hope they eventually come to the realization that Jesus Christ, was the Savior, right? That's the only thing that I have with Jewish people. But like, is that going to tell me that like I hate Jewish people? No. Like, because as Christians, as people that are

Jesus believers, you are to love everybody. Like, and I think that that's what I'm desperately trying to do. I'm desperately trying to love the people in Gaza as as much as I love the people in Israel, as much as I love the people in Russia and Ukraine and China. They're all people. They're all civilians. They're all God's children. The one thing the Bible told us is that we are all created in God's image. It doesn't matter exactly what you look like, what your skin color is. Doesn't matter what political party you're with. Doesn't matter any of that stuff.

You are all created in God's image and all people are innocent when they are born. Now, however that process goes throughout life, yes, absolutely. There are things that happen. But I feel like that we have to be more humane. We have to be more human. we have to be more loving and caring. I think that's one thing that Christianity does better than almost any religion. So if you want to talk, Gregory, about the difference in Christianity versus whether it be Judaism.

I'm going to say right now that Jews are Jewish people have more of that stance than Christians. Absolutely not. Yes, they do. Yes, they do. Sherry, the Old Testament is a very violent Bible. Yeah. The Torah is a very violent Bible. What is violent about the Old Testament?

Oh, well, like when they went from Exodus and they went into, you know, Canaan or Canaan and God commanded them to destroy every living thing in Canaan? Genocide. What? Genocide and entire people? That's not what happened. That is what happened. No. No, no, no, no, no, no.

That is not what the... All right. Tell me what it says. God does not command the people to destroy an entire population. All God commands the people to do is to, well, look, the Old Testament is full of stories, individual stories, which are supposed to teach you how to live a moral life. It is not a violent Bible. And if it were to be a violent Bible or a violent text, then that would be the same violent text that the Christians believe in, too. Yeah, but you have to understand

The difference in the Old Testament and New Testament is Jesus Right? Like that is the only difference in violence and nonviolence is Jesus No, it's the difference between sacrifice and not sacrifice It is absolutely. Yeah, you're right. But it is the only, I mean like Deuteronomy it says, You shall not leave alive anything that breeze

But you shall utterly destroy them the Hidiyadis, the Amortes, the Canaanites, the Jibis, the Javites, and the Juryat. Yeah, those were attacking Jews. Those were attackers of Jews. It was a defense story. They were in war. But they weren't really in war. I mean, to say that the Old Testament, to say that the Old Testament is a violent book is just, I mean, do you see Jewish terrorists?

Like, anywhere? How many Christians have? killed, you know, or murdered people compared to Jews. I'm sure the number is much, much higher. But you understand, but you understand in the Old Testament, it talks about Canaanites. But listen, you understand in the Old Testament, it talks about Canaanites, which is essentially kind of where Gaza is in that kind of general region.

And where it talks about that you should destroy all, leave nothing alive. I mean, that's what it says, judges one through three. So in, in, what is the context of that? Is it? Well, because because because the Jews believe that this was their land because what God told them and then and God said you should destroy every living thing in this land. Yeah, because God said that there was evil on the land. No. Yeah, absolutely.

Read the Bible. Read, read your Torah. As far as like the New Testament. But the Torah and the New Testament, sorry, are not like equal. When you read the Torah and the New Testament. No, Sherry, listen, I understand the New Testament. is not equal. That's the point. Very different Bibles are very different books.

That's what I'm saying. That's the difference in Jesus and the Torah. So, so Sherry's making a great point here, Greg, is that the Torah in some ways. Like we talk about Muslims believe in their ideological, you know, beliefs on the sword and killing people. And if you don't believe, then we're going to kill you. But literally in Old Testament, a Torah talks about like, you know, hey, here's the people on your land. Go kill every living thing.

This is what the Bible talks about. Destroy, destroy all. There are people that tried to kill Jews. Well, how did they try to kill them? Because they were in Egypt. How did they try to kill them? They were in Egypt. The Jews were in Egypt as slaves.

Yes. So how are those people in a different land trying to kill them when they were in Egypt? Because when the Exodus happened when Jews left Egypt. to wander for 49 years, I believe it was 49. Yeah, they were, they got cast out. Then they were, they were, they were wandering to, to their land. What is the, what is the point here? Like, and this is the exact story.

Greg, you know, you know, you don't, you know what the point is. The point is, here's my point. You have a thug, and this is my opinion, you have a thug that goes out and kills people because someone or some group or some gang leader tells them to go kill someone on this block, right? And then you have someone that comes along to this gang and says, do not kill them because they are also people. Like we cannot kill them. They are innocent.

They are, regardless of what we think, they are good. And, you know, Jesus watched the feet of thieves. He watched the feet of the people that were against him. That's the difference in religions. That is the difference. Christians kill more than Jews do. I mean, Christian, the Romans killed Jews. But Romans were not really Christians.

I mean, come on, dude. They're Catholic. Yeah, but they're. Even in Spain, in Spain, in Spain, Jews were exiled from their land and killed. Hitler was Christian. So, I mean, I mean, come on. But listen, but listen, hold on. No, no, what the Bible says, do you really think Hitler was Christian based on what the New Testament and Jesus believed?

Do you really think that he was? He claims he was Christian. I know I he can claim anything. I mean it's like okay that that goes back. Did he abide by Christian values or did he follow his religion? I don't think so. Okay. Well, the only ask is BB Netanyahu and the government following with Jewish values?

Very much so. So exactly. You're making my point. You're making my point. When they left when they left Egypt and this was during Exodus and then God commanded them to go kill every living thing in this in their land. You made a great point. Yeah, and they didn't.

No, no, but they didn't. Well, they didn't. So then God, so then God cast him out. Netanahu is not killing everything in their land. Netanyahu, if you are telling me that, you know, Israel, which in your own words has nuclear bombs, has, is the second most powerful nation on Earth and couldn't manage to kill more than, I don't know, 40,000 civilians in Gaza, then, I mean, that's not having up. If they were the most powerful nature on earth,

they would be killing millions. But Greg, what happens if you go out in your street right now and kill one person? What's going to happen to you? If I kill a random person and... Okay, I'm here. Let me give a better example.

Someone robbed your house, right? That person escaped, but you kill some random person that had nothing to do with it. What do you think is going to happen to you in America under our laws? I would get arrested. You're good a person, right?

you go to prison. Yeah. So how is it any different than Israel? They're killing innocent civilians. Because Israel's not killing random people that are. But they are. In World War II, you know how many British civilians that? You know how many civilians Britain killed in Germany?

Like. But listen, great. Should, I'm trying to make a point. I'm trying to make a point. I'm like, listen. My only point is here, and I want to make some very clear. I love Jewish people. I hope one, listen, if I believe in the Bible, I believe that all Jewish people, the remnant, or whoever, will see the Savior in the end.

Oh, and I want to talk about that for a minute, because Chad doesn't think the remnants of Jewish people still exist in Israel. There's very few. Yeah, there's very few. Yeah. Can you like talk about that for a minute? What do you mean by that? Well, I'm saying ethnically, there's very few. actual Jewish people from the Bible that exist still today?

Very few. So most Jewish, most Jewish, most Jewish, most, most Jewish people. That is true, but Judas. It was kind of like Christians. I mean, it's the same thing like with Christians that after Jesus, the people that walked with him, how many of those people exist today? Probably not very well, obviously, but almost old Jews, they're almost old Jews are ethnically Jewish because Judaism is very strict on convert conversion and

everything like that. So if you're Jewish, you are most likely ethnically Jewish. Now, obviously, there are not many ethnically Jewish people in the world. It's only 0.02% of the population. But what does that prove? Well, I mean, I'm saying it proves the point of the race topic about Jews, right? So if you're talking about like you're racist, if you go against Jews, then obviously if you're talking to someone or going against someone.

someone that is 0.02% of original Jew people. Like, how many people do you think in America actually talks shit about Jewish people that are 0.02% of the original Jews? So then that completely takes away the racist out of all hate crimes, 69%.

Out of all hate crimes in America, 69% of them are geared towards Jews. So a pretty significant amount. I don't agree with that. It's a statistic. All right. Well, show me that. I mean, listen, show me that

statistic. Is that over the past, what, three years? It's got to be. It's got to be over the past three years. Like, since I think it's, I think it's most updated. What are you, are you, like, what other group is more hated than Jews? Probably blacks.

Yeah, I would probably have to, blacks. Sorry, I'm not racist. I'm just saying, like black people might be hated more than, but also white people in general might be hated second. I think white people are up there now. I think it's like black, white, very close second. Yeah, and what happens if you're a white, like, girl that has Jewish, like, dissent,

Dissent, sorry, you're going to have to edit that. But what happens with that? Well, it doesn't matter. You're white and your Jewish shows, so fine. But your point, though, is that, you know, the hate crimes against people are anti-Semitic. And maybe you're right over the past couple of years, right? And I go back to this. I think that this is constructed, in my opinion.

Let's talk about this before we exit this. Let's talk about this before we exit this. All of the protests on college campuses, right? So if we go to the conservative action movement to where they said that a lot of these protests like BLM and TFA, they're all funded. They're all coordinated. They're all organized. And so with Antifa, Black Lives Matter, all this stuff is, it's all been constructed by George Soros, Open Society Foundation, all these organizations. And so are we saying that the anti-Jewish movement that happened a couple of years ago on college campuses, are we saying that they're not coordinated and funded?

Because we do have evidence that they were also funded by George Soros. So go back for a minute. George Soros is Jewish, right? So. Yeah, you could be a self-hating Jew. Bernie Sanders is an example. You could be a self-hating Jew. But what if it doesn't mean anything?

But what if you utilize in Jew hate for your cause? Right. So what do you mean? So let's just say that like, you know, for example, if I wanted to make a cause out of something, I wanted to get mainstream media. I wanted to really hype up like this agenda against Jew. or against Israel or against whatever to where it's kind of like a...

What proof is there that Israel is funding any of this, though? Is there any proof of that? What, George Soros? Is he Jew? Because you're Jewish doesn't necessarily mean your Israel. Okay, what about Lord Jacob Rothschild. He was the one that founded Israel. Oh, now, no, no, no, no.

Yeah, he is. He is not the one that found. Okay, so tell me how he didn't found Israel. He did or Herzl founded Israel. But he's literally the one that wrote the, the doctrine from Israel to establish Israel as a state. Jacob Rothschild. Yeah, Jacob Rothschild.

It is not, he has absolutely nothing to do with the establishment of Israel other than through a ceremonial role playing in that. Exactly how, well, there's a lot of billionaires who have a lot to do with the United States. Do you think, I don't know, what? Griger, do you think of a coincidence? Sorry. Do you think it is a coincidence that you said this, you said this earlier, I'm not saying this, that all of these people that fund or over, like mega organizations, whether it be mainstream media, tech companies, whatever. A lot of these people are Jews. So you think it's just because they're just smart? That's how that happens.

I don't believe Jews are inherently smart. That's a stupid assumption that a lot of people fall into. It's because of the Jewish culture. Jews in general value education much more than other religions, simply because it's a cultural thing. And that is why so many Jews tend to get up in society because of the value in education. For example, in Hasidic communities, which are ultra-Orthodox, those are very, very poor communities, but still their parents of children spend all of their money

to send their children to Yeshua in private school so they could learn and, you know, excel in education. So when a culture is based off education, those people who are, you know, coming out of that culture are going to be very successful. That's shown by Jews. Well, Greg, the one thing I want, I wish I could instill in you. I'm 40 years old. I've been, I've been kind of around this blog for a while. I know you're smart, by the way. I, there's no question. I just wish I could instill something. in you for you to think a little bit like just like I want you to have like one little faction like even if it's 5% like when you write an article or you're thinking about a subject

about Israel or the United States America first the divide on on Republican politics I want you to think a little bit about me every time you write an article I want you to just think about my no I just want you to think about my stance on it like I and and and the reason I ask you I said, are you paid by anybody? Which I don't necessarily believe you're not paid by anybody. I don't, I mean, I know you're paid by somebody. You don't write articles for free, I would assume. No, I don't, but I'm not paid by Israel.

I'm paid by the same people that pay every other American or I'm paid by those who employ me, which is not Israel. Let's talk about that for a second. So, and you don't have to if you don't want to, but you are paid. I don't mind. Well, you are paid by organizations, news media organizations. Have you looked into, like, who pays them? Yeah. So do you think that there's no Israel influence in any of your media post?

And like, so, for example, if you're writing an article, what if, what if you on one of your news articles, you wanted to go out against Israel? Say that after this podcast, right? Let's just give a good example. I could do that in a heartbeat right now. No, after this, no, no, no, let, hold on. After this podcast, tomorrow, you're writing an article, you send it to your editors or whoever, and you say, this is why Israel is bad for America. That's the title, right?

Do you really think that that shit's going to get published in the things that you write for right now? Yeah. Really? You really think that? Yeah, I'm pretty confident. As long as it's not openly hateful or anything abides by every other standard. if I write an article about Israel's, I don't know, negative whatever, it would get published, especially about most outlets.

All right. What's challenge us? Well, no, let me ask you this question. I don't want to really write an article about anti-Israel. I just wrote an article about typical. Let's do it. No, I want to ask him, though, have you wrote anything that has been critical? Kind of critical of Israel, like America first stance?

What do you mean? Yeah, I just wrote an article about the divide in the Republican Party and about how we should stop. Like, I complimented Chuck of Carlson, actually. I complimented him as a nice person. He's not anti-Semite. I actually wrote that article. I got a lot of pushback, but I published it. Okay.

All right. There's more pushback for articles that are pro-Isdrel in my experience than there is for anti-Zerl articles. Yeah. Well, and the reason I say this, because, like, when I heard you were 17 and you're, you know, probably the youngest syndicated. Yeah, you are. You are for sure. And listen, I mean, that's why anybody that tries to say that, like, we're just going on one narrative. Like, I wanted to bring you on. I knew you had a different opinion. I already knew that. But, like, tell your opinion, you know, talk about it and, and let people decide, right? I mean, that's what we should be having conversations. Yeah, and this gives our audience another way to decide because it's not so easy for me to debate. But when I have somebody like Gregory coming to debate, I love it. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, it's great. I don't agree. I don't agree with a lot of stuff, right? And people to listen to this episode, they're going to be able to kind of hear, you know, like, do they believe you versus me and my thoughts and your thoughts? That's up to them. That's not black. It's not black and white. It's great.

It's gray. But you can get into some black and white. It's gray. You could maybe get into some black and white. I think I could if we really want to do that. I don't. And Gregory probably feels the same. But let's talk about this for a second.

Gregory, before we go. I know we're at two hours. I know, but this is so like fun. I love having him on. Yeah. Last thing. I've seen balls. we talked about this earlier

I think that number one the reason why Democrats everybody's like well if Trump's involved in these Epstein files they would have already released them and so who is they who is they who is the they that would release them well we know Gislane Maxwell

her father and her entire family was Mossad we know that for sure which is Israeli intelligence well no we don't know that for sure what we do yeah we do father was the father was a Gregory Maxwell for like a year

she but that that was that was it that's not that's not that's not a big anyway um but think about this right I mean so there have been some emails that are being released that are kind of trying to implicate Trump right and it's like it's weird because we we likely know that you know probably

Bill Clinton a lot of these Democrats are on these lists they're they're going to heavily implicated. But right now, Trump is the president. And now you have this huge divide in the Republican Party. And I think the reason why

that someone leaked these emails is because they want to tell Trump in a way that's like, hey, we got this shit on you. So just keep this in mind. Like, we still have way more than this. So you better follow along

with our orders. You better follow along with what we want you to say and do. He is Israel. Is that what you're saying? I think Israel is the cardholder here. I really truly do. I think that, and this is my opinion, I don't know for sure.

When we talk about Epstein, we know like political blackmail happens. We know that that's happened. We know CIA has done that. We know like Bohemian Grove, George W. Bush, that whole place to where they would have sex with each other. They were all dudes over in Bohemian Grove in California. that happens. But like if Cash Patel and the Trump administration comes in, and if they actually had access to these files,

I don't think anybody has access to these files. I don't think Democrats do, I don't think Republicans do. I think someone else does, and they're controlling the power structure. Do you, Gregory, do you believe, like, Israel has too much influence in our politics? I almost feel like that Israel has taken over our country. And I think that if it, well, I think into A-PAC and all that stuff. Yeah, A-PAC, we can talk about that. But if we go back specifically to Epstein files,

I feel like that the reason they're slow releasing these emails is because they're blackmailing Trump right now. They're blackmail and Trump to the point where they're saying, all right, guys, here's some, here's a few emails we're releasing. Oh, now we're going to. this in Washington Post, and if you do not go on board with us, we're going to release other shit. So when some people say that I don't believe at all, like, for example, Alex Jones recently did a piece and he said, I don't think that Trump is implicated in having sex with young

kids at all. But someone, I believe, is blackmail in Trump because I don't know how else do you explain some of the stuff has happened. So are you, are you, Gregory? Are you talking about calling it a hoax? Yeah, well, the hoax thing, all that. Gregor, do you believe the Epstein files exist? And what do you think about Trump saying that they are a hoax?

Well, when we say, do the Epstein files exist, do files that pertain to Jeffrey Epstein's case exist? Yes, that's common sense. We have 20,000 of them that just got released. and when he says that it's a hoax, is he referencing that it's a hoax in that Republicans or he is not implicated in that? Yes, I do not believe that Donald Trump is implicated in it. I believe in that way it is a hoax, and I believe the media is trying to frame it in a way that is just wrong. And I wrote several articles about this over the last week. But I do believe that the major reason for Donald Trump's reluctance in actually,

publishing or releasing the Epstein files stems from the fact that multiple of his, you know, himself and all of the people around him are going to be in the Epstein files. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they're, you know, they're guilty of anything. For example, Alan Dershowitz, he was not guilty of anything, but he still was in the Epstein files because he was Epstein's lawyer. So I think it's an important distinction. That's why he does, I'm not saying I agree with this, but he doesn't want to release obscene files because he wants to protect the people around him and himself

from being falsely accused or being thrown under the bus by the media, which happened several times. Yeah. Yeah, I get it. And Gregory, by the way, I hope that you're not infiltrated. I hope you're not. I mean, I was talking to share you about us.

I said, Greg's coming on. He is reaching out to us. I was like, maybe he is an Israel Israel paid asset. I don't know. Well, I already told you that I want half the money. Yeah, right. But I hope you're not.

I mean, I really do. I think you're a smart guy for sure. I mean, you know, and we could got into so much more debate on the Israel's situation. But I just hope you're not a paid asset. I hope someone's not controlling you and telling you what to say. I don't think they are because of his stance. where he comes from, his religion, all that. And, you know, his stance is way more on my side than it is yours.

And I'm not getting paid either. I get it. I just, you know, but also Greg is on Newsmax and Fox and we've sent him on a lot of stuff. So how do you, at 17, get on all those platforms? Is my question. By being. By being intelligent with the people who you are around. That's how I say.

no other answer to that. But I think anyone can do it if they just put their mind to it. And I know it's a cliche in whatever, but it's true. Like if you just work as hard as you should, you can accomplish anything and you can get anywhere with that. Yeah. All right. Well, so you don't believe in Jesus, right?

Can we do another episode to where I try to convince you of Jesus versus not Jesus? I would love to. I would love to but it's not going to work on me but you know I would like to come on the show it was a very wonderful experience I'm very thankful for this opportunity well Greg thank you so much man

for coming on hey by the way you have a podcast I want to make sure that everybody knows before we leave what is your podcast where do people need to follow you where do people need to support you and by the way Greg you better freaking support us you better share our shit too do your thing so of course of course

you can follow me. My podcast is called Patriot Perspective or The Patriot Perspective. It's the official gateway pundant podcast. You can search it up on Rumble and you'll find it there. You could just search it up with my name. And yeah, that's where you could support it on YouTube. We actually just launched on Rumble recently. So if you want to give us a follow there, you can.

And in regards to, you know, your show, I mean, I would love to share this episode definitely whenever it's released so please send it to me we'll do we'll do well Greg thank you so much man yeah we're gonna have to bring you on many many many more shows yeah you have a bright you have a bright future I don't agree with you on everything obviously yeah but I just I love that you're fresh and you just like have your opinion and you have facts to back it up he's like the opposite of Nick Fuentes he's like Nick Fuentes kryptonite I think is what he is

It actually would be interesting to have him and Nick Fentz on a on a debate. I would love to set someone like that. And he's 17. Nick Fentz was I would be very excited for that. That would be something. Yeah. Like, I mean,

you know, at some point in time, Nick Fentz was 17, 18. Yeah. And Nick Fentz started. Nick Fentz was just like you. Gregory.

Just like you, bro. The same beliefs, the same, not necessarily Jewish beliefs, but like the same kind of like Republican conservative values and morals. And, and then one day he got screwed over because he questioned Israel.

And that's what, if you want to see the result of why Nick Puentes is Nick Quintes, that's why. So I don't know what that means. Have you had Nick Fuentes on the show? We have not had Nick on. We've had Ian, we've had a lot of others, but we've not had Nick on.

No, I know he listens. I know he follows and listens to us, but we've not had Nick on because I'm not necessarily going to agree. the only thing I would disagree with Nick on is the anti-Jewish stuff. I mean, like the way he comes out against Jews in general, I don't agree with. The same way, the same way he talks shit about like blacks and whatever. He goes hardcore.

Yeah, and he says the N word all the time. Yeah, that's like his thing. But that's like a shock and all. Yeah. But that's how he gets views. Absolutely it does. Yeah. And I would guarantee you that Nick does not believe a lot of the shitty.

says. But I, but I, but I, but I, but I do think that Nick believes is the America first policy. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, like, 100% agree that Nick believes America first. Yeah. And he believes America first like KKK America. No, no, no, no. He believes Americans first and, and screw everybody else around the world. That's what he believes. Um, and, and you can debate that. We've talked about that earlier, but I don't know. And Greg, you know, if we can ever, if we can ever have a podcast with Nick and we bring you on, 17 year old guy that's like a gateway punting and all that stuff. You're definitely on the opposite side of Nick for sure. Yeah, I think it'll be amazing.

Like, because Gregory did a great job. That would be the best podcast that I've ever listened to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think it did a good job. And I, and I push back. I just, I just don't want to, you know, I just, I want more people to listen to your side. They know my side.

And so, you know, I push back a little bit, but like, I'm not trying to convince necessarily. I just want people to hear your side. Yeah. And it was refreshing to hear his side because his side is my side. Yeah, probably so. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. All right, Gregory, well, we're going to leave it.

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