Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Worldwide Mass UFO UAP Sightings | Manchester Airport Orb and More

Episode Date: November 30, 2024

In this episode, we dive into the recent wave of mass UFO and UAP sightings reported across the globe, spanning the United Kingdom, the United States, and the Middle East. Are these  lights in the sky simply drones, or could they be something far more advanced? We explore the possibilities, from cutting-edge government technology to interdimensional phenomena, spiritual entities, or even alien visitors from distant galaxies. Join us as we unravel the mystery behind these extraordinary events! We are joined by Ashton Forbes

I'm a drop in the ocean. Just a face and a crowd waiting to be seen. Big James at motion. I want to go where no one's ever been. I would climb the highest mountain. I would type the deepest sea just so I could make you feel. Hello and welcome to Investigator's podcast. I'm your host Chad alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry.

on tonight's episode, we're going to be talking about these sightings all around the world. We don't know what they are, but there are people from the UK, the United States, you name it, reporting UFO or UAP sightings over either military bases or major cities. We're talking about Washington, D.C., New York City, Arkansas, Florida, off the coast of North Carolina, and many U.S. military bases in the UK. Are these advanced weapons systems that the United States or maybe even NATO, has or is there something bigger coming? We actually just posted on our X account last night and we said an insane amount of

sightings over the past 72 hours. What is going on? And that post is kind of blown up because I think everyone is starting to see this. What is this? Is this project blue beam? Is this an actual alien slash UAP mass siting event? Or is this something else? Is this kind of the lead up?

up to a potential World War or nuclear situation. We've been talking a lot about nuclear war, the possibilities of that and World War III. Obviously, Joe Biden just recently approved long-range missiles from Ukraine to be fired into Russia. You then had Russia responding with an intercontinental ballistic missile, which fired out six munitions, which could have very easily also had housed a nuclear weapon on board. And they even say, by the way, that when Vladimir Putin and Russia, Russia deployed this intercontinental ballistic missile inside of Ukraine, no one actually knew at the time whether it had a nuclear warhead on it or not.

They didn't know. So this could have very easily had a warhead on it, wouldn't have known until it actually hit. And this is a missile system that has been developed actually over the past year. And part of that also was because of the administration currently pulled out of some other type of treaty with Russia. and once that happened, Vladimir Putin started to build this new weapon system. And this weapon system is capable of carrying multiple nuclear warheads doing the almost exact same thing it did over Ukraine, which was essentially opening up above a city center and releasing multiple munitions.

And this is the best case scenario if you want a nuclear warhead to completely destroy an entire city center. And so I think this is what Vladimir Putin was demonstrating to the, world the other day in response to Ukraine's long-range missile strikes. And then obviously also the response to that is Russia has been talking specifically about, hey, if you guys keep doing this, we're going to punish you and we're going to punish you very, very hard. And Russia actually just released a statement the other day that they are striking now these long-range missile facilities inside of Ukraine. So all of the weapons that the United States are given, Ukraine right now, are being struck down

by Russian missiles. And then you have also the Russian missile called Satan. It is the Satan missile, which can get into the UK in about 18 minutes if fired from Russia. And this weapon system is one of the most advanced weapon hypersonic missile systems in the world. It can get to UK in 18 minutes. I think in some parts of the United States in about 30 minutes.

It also very hard for anti-missile systems to actually intercept. So there's a lot going on. And then obviously you have this massive increase in what we're seeing across our skies. We got the Manchester UFO sighting where there were multiple airline pilots that had a all stop on the ground. You were neither having airplanes taken off or landing during this time. and then a orb what many pilots that were on the grounds actually described this thing as the size of a small car. But this orb never touched the ground. I mean, sure, you saw the picture.

It wasn't on the ground. Yeah, that's what I told you. I was like, Chad, look, it's not, it's hovering. It's not touching the ground where it was the still shot of this orb. But what was interesting is when you watch the video, the whole video, Chad's like, watch the video. So I'm watching the video is way up in the clouds. And it was a rainy, stormy kind of day. So it was kind of hard, but you could see this orb come down.

And then as the pilot was filming this, it comes down. He's filming it come down. And then he lose sight of it. And I said, why did he not video the rest of it, Chad? And if you think about it, that was a still shot that we are all seeing now as the orb. But that thing came down and shot right back out. Well, I actually think what happened, Sherry, is the more I kind of read into this is it wasn't that he stopped filming as it was coming down. It was the fact that he started filming when it went up. And so he did not actually know that

pilot in particular. Did not know what was going on. He heard that it was an all stop on the ground. Basically, they told all the aircraft to stop what they were doing. Do not move because obviously there was an incursion in the airspace. And so once that happened, that's when he got out his camera. And that's when the orb had already shot back up. So there was another pilot that took a picture of the orb. Absolutely. I've looked in this. There was another pot that took a picture of the orb as it was hovering above the ground. And so this picture obviously has been analyzed by multiple experts. They looked at not only the picture of the orb or of this ball-like structure, but they also

looked at and analyzed the videos. And from what many experts in visual effects and CGI and all that are saying, none of these pictures or videos are fake. There is nothing about them in all of their analyzation of forensic. analysis that show any of this to be fake. If you look it up, if you go anywhere, no one has been able to debunk this yet, especially a lot of the big debunkers that love to debunk stuff like this. So what the hell is this thing?

And how is this thing flying and moving like it was, according to many people, it eventually just disappeared. Yeah, and obviously a boomeranged at some type of point or some point in time. Yeah. But what was interesting to me is this old. and this picture of this steel shot of this orb, to me, when I think about orbs, I think that they're almost transparent,

you know, because of all the sightings people have seen, like the triangles and they see the things inside the triangle. Yeah. You would think that it would be transparent. But this thing was, it looked like solid metal almost. Yeah,

or some weird thing. It's a very strange, uh, citing in particular because especially with the airline pilots that were there. And, and obviously these guys, don't like to report UFO sightings because, you know, if you are a part of, if you're a pilot, you've got to be very careful of what you report and how you say things and what you say.

But I obviously think in this case, there was multiple pilots that saw this. The stigma of UFOs and UAPs or maybe even advanced technology is starting to, you know, kind of go away a little bit. Obviously, congressional hearings is coming out. But then I also wanted to talk about briefly all these other sightings. We had lights over Capitol Hill, Washington, D.C. Now, there have been some people that are saying that this has been debunked by that it was some type of lens flare in the camera. But then as I started looking at this, there were multiple people in Washington, D.C. that night that also saw similar lights over Capitol and over Washington, D.C.

You also had obviously unidentified drones is what we're calling them over U.S. air bases in England. And we're talking about this is since November 20th. Multiple unidentified drones have been spotted over several U.S. Air Force bases in England. including an REF, Lakenheath, REF Middinghall, REF Feltwell, and REF Fairford. Now, the drones varied in size and configuration while they have impacted base operations. The U.S. Air Force is actively monitoring the situation

and collaboration with local authorities is what they're saying. You also had mysterious orbs over New York City. Earlier this week, a blue orb-shaped object was captured on camera zooming over the Hudson River near Lower Manhattan, and the object moved rapidly prompting discussions in various theories on social media. You also had spiral UFOs across the U.S. and Europe in May of 2024 of this year. You had witnesses across the southwestern United States, Scandinavia, and Eastern Europe that were seeing and reporting observing mysterious spiral patterns in the sky.

You had multiple UFOs admitting eerie haze in June of 2024. And this was in California and Arizona that reported, sightings of bright oval-shaped orbs, emitting a mysterious haze. Similar reports emerged from overseas, suggesting a broader pattern. But then you had ring cameras capturing UFOs this year in California and various other states.

In August of 2024, ring camera users in Palmdale in Lancaster, California, recorded undefined flying objects, zigzagging across the night sky. The proximity of these areas to Edwards Air Force Base known for advanced aerospace testing has historically been linked to numerous UFO sightings. And so we've got so much to talk about on this episode.

And we actually have a very good friend in the show right now. Hopefully he's ready to come on. Mr. Ashton Forbes. Hopefully Ashton Forbes is with us. Ashton, are you with us? Let us know if you are. Can you hear? In one, two, three, Houston.

Can you hear me? You are here. You were here. Hey, how's it going, Chad? How's it going, Sherry? What's up, Ashton? How's it going, man? So listen, we're here.

So I'm assuming we're here to talk about what's good on the fashion circuit, right? Yeah. Well, here's the thing. We actually just started. I told Ashton, we were going to start an hour ago. We started about 10 minutes ago. So you're going to be at the front of our show, which is, listen, Ashton, we've got a lot to talk about. We actually just posted a post on X.

And by the way, I want to let everybody know out there listening. If you don't have an X, please go and make an X. Go follow us. Go follow Ashton. X is the place to be, I think it's the best place to actually get your news or to get at least information that is not censored or unbiased as much as possible. And a lot of these sightings that we're talking about tonight, you'll be able to see there. And Sunday, Sherry and I were talking about, we're going to do a live stream, I think 6.30 p.m. Eastern Standard Time on our X

account. And we're going to go over a lot of these videos. Maybe Ashton, if he's not busy, can join us. Ashton, let's first talk about, do you know about the Manchester orb? Have you seen this video? Let's start there. Well, I wouldn't be a very good expert of orbs if I didn't know about all the orbs and videos that are out there. So, yes, I've seen the lights over the Capitol. I've seen the Manchester orb that supposedly like took off,

but was like floating a foot above the ground. Yeah, I am aware of them all. So they're orbs. And so when we started to get ready for this show, I was like, last minute, I text Ashton, is there any way you can actually come on? Because we're talking about orbs. And it's starting to become a new thing for a lot of people. It's a new normal now. Yeah.

It's like now people are like saying, hey, did you hear about the orbs that everybody was seeing yesterday in Manchester or Arkansas or California? Yeah. It really wasn't orbs before Ashton started his whole research. Nobody even called anything orbs before. Well, in the paranormal community, obviously, you've always heard the term ors, right? Right. Yeah, you've always heard that because that's how many people said that you could see things on whether it be video or pictures.

Oftentimes they would capture these things known as orbs. And this has always been obviously highlighted on various paranormal, you know, television shows or whatever the case is. And that orb, most people and most experts, paranormal experts, always have said that it is a ball or some type of energy. Energy. Yeah. Now, the interesting thing with a lot of Ashton's investigation, especially with MH370 and then even further down the road as far as how you have kind of, I guess, advanced your research and knowledge past MH370 in the videos is all over the internet is how that energy actually works, which we're going to get to. in just a moment.

But before we get to that, Ashton, I want to play this video. I want you to talk about this and or just at least react to this. This was Tucker Carlson talking on redacted about zero point energy, which by the way, I'm surprised that he did not mention you when he's talking about zero point energy. And obviously, this is after you had went on. You can tell he was thinking about it, though, right? Yeah. I already know the clip you're about to play because I was freaking out.

When I saw it, I'm like, oh, wow. You know, Clayton Morris is asking Tucker Carlson about zero. zero point energy. You know, I love that I've been saying like MHHC70X is the tip of the spear. Like we are, we are doing what South Park did to TV in the late 90s, which is like you're pushing the envelope.

Yeah. We're not satisfied with aliens anymore. We're not satisfied with, oh, yes, the aliens are going down and rescue us from all our problems in the world or whatever. It's like,

no, like we're looking past and we're going, fine. You can tell me aliens are real? Fine. You know what? Okay, they're real. Now what? Now, what does that mean? What kind of technology is they got? How do they get in here?

What does that mean for our civilization? You know, we're asking the hard questions. Yeah, absolutely. And especially, that's why I wanted to get Ashton as long as we can have them. But I wanted to get Ashton just to kind of break down a couple of things we're going to talk about. But let's get to the clip, the clip real quick where Tucker talks about this on Redacted. Listen. Hearing, of course, the other day. And we're past the point. Yes. Ali exist, whatever, we have reverse engineered their craft. We have these materials. We know this now. That's on the congressional record. We have this stuff. Like, let's move the conversation beyond that.

I want to ask you about zero point energy and these technologies that I think this government has in their, in their possession. I think it's verifiable. That instantaneous travel, I think it's one of the greatest coverups in human history that we don't have access to this technology. Are you hopeful at all that these members of Congress, Nancy Mace and others are going to be able to Timbershed and others are going to be able to pull this out of these deep programs and release it? Like, when you're in the smoky filled rooms, what are you hearing about this? Well, no, I'm not at all hopeful. I mean, hopeful, I'm not at all confident. One of the members, I don't want to betray secrets, but one of the, I think this is correct, the members of Congress you just mentioned, I won't say which, pushed hard on the, on the

UAP Disclosure Act of 2022, which has never kind of been enacted. And as a result, was primaried by his own party, which is, you know, the kind of maximum punishment in electoral politics. So there is a massive, we cannot overstate the effort in place to prevent disclosure. And the question really is why. And so, yeah, these technologies clearly. clearly exist, not clear to me who possesses them. I'm pretty sure no one's profiting off of them. So, you know, you can instruct all kinds of explanations for why. But, you know, everyone I've known, which is every president who's been really read into this stuff, is unwilling to disclose what he learned. And you have to ask, like, why is that? So I think the truth is, and I haven't gotten to the

truth, but I've gotten close enough that I'm like, ooh. I think it's very, very disruptive. way disruptive. It's not just that Lockheed is making a lot of money on anti-gravity technology or, you know, we've been visited by people from their planet or whatever. I mean, I think there's more there. I mean, there is more there. So, and I'm not, you know, exactly sure I'm not going to speculate, but I think it's a big deal. I think it's a bigger deal than we, than we often allow for it being. All right. So there is Tucker Carlson talking on redacted. And by the way, guys, for those that are waiting on the other side of the coin of this, you guys are going to have listen to the second part of this show, which will be probably in like 35 minutes.

But before we get there, many of the people, by the way, our, Ashton, our post that we posted last night on X has got, I don't know, is for some reason blowing up. And all it said was insane how many UFO sightings have been seen over the past 72 hours, right? And all of these people are posting various theories. Some of these people are saying, well, it's also kind of interesting how close we are to nuclear war. and you know Russia and the United States and the tensions there let's start that all right obviously there are people saying well maybe it's uh god sent in his B war maybe it's fallen angels and we're

going to get to some of that but let's get to this side of things first ashton when we talk about just what tucker Carlson just said here right he doesn't necessarily want to fully dive into hey this is our advanced technology and one of the things he said here which kind of caught me off guard was, you know, he says, I don't believe people are profiting off of this. How would they not be profiting off of this unless it is just completely, you know, underground, which obviously it is. But obviously, I mean, wouldn't the U.S. government still be profiting off of this advanced technology if this is what we're seeing?

That's the thing. That's the thing that people don't really understand. But that's why I thought Tucker always has amazing revelations when it comes to the UFO topic. And I can tell his mind's not made up. And I think he is being fed some disinformation by people that are either intentionally or unintentionally throwing them off the scent. But yeah, so we're talking about zero point energy. And huge shout to Clayton Morris. He's actually asking the important stuff, right?

And he's saying, he's like, we have instant transmission. He's talking about teleportation, right? Instant transmission. He's saying, this is the biggest cover up ever. You know, like you're covering up an energy source and nature of our reality from us. This is like matrix level cover up going on. And you start to realize, like, this is the most important thing is that I got a lot of flack for starting up what was essentially a free energy company.

Because free energy is possible once you understand that zero point energy exists. And the first thing you learn is that it's not a free money printing price. type situation. There are hurdles still because even though you have this unlimited supply of energy that's out there, you still have to have a way to pull that energy out. And then you have to adhere to certain regulations that exist and other problems about how that energy is going to be on the grid or not on the grid. And so when you think about it, it's like a lot of people say, if somebody had this technology, if Lockheed had this technology, you know, why are they selling F-35 you know, for whatever billions.

And that's the reason why is like they already have an existing supply line and contracts. This, this hidden technology isn't like they're not doing it for the billions and trillions of dollars. The moment that technology gets exposed, everybody's going to copy it and all the profit motive is going to disappear anyway. So instead what you have is you have this black market where the engineers and scientists, some of them don't even have like degrees. It's not even that uncommon that understand this nature of the universe, that there is this zero point energy all around us everywhere.

They understand that you can produce like an over unity device for magnetism if you set it up correctly. It's not going to, I don't necessarily recommend just following whatever you see on the X videos, but, you know, you follow Tesla's designs and absolutely you can create a free energy device. And so they will sell these devices either for novelty, or for, you know, probably billionaires underground bunkers, like most billionaires that are connected, they know about all this stuff as well.

Do you think Elon does? Do I think what? Do you think Elon knows about this technology, potentially? It's hard to say. Like, if he doesn't, he's going to find out now that he's buddy, buddy with Donald Trump, you know, but one of the other things that Tucker Carlson says there, which I think is another big tell is that, he he he he he he he he he he he's known several presidents you know his father was in the CIA so he's a

connected guy and he says he's known several presidents that are not willing to disclose it so it must be something that is very disruptive yeah he also said too that this thing is so scary that he could not even tell his wife about it because this stuff is scary because it could be good and it could be really bad yeah and and again this then connects directly the idea that I've been harping on is that look at what what is the hand that people are holding behind their backs when they're talking about they're like I'm a whistleblower I'm going to tell you about the UFOs well I can't tell you about this one thing and they always say it's because of national security you know so when Tucker is saying you know some profite profiteering is not a national security issue it's a it's a civil issue aliens existing is a philosophical issue it's not a it's not a national security issue there being technology that renders every weapon we have obsolete, that would be a national security issue, or there being the destructive capability using a new energy source for literally limitless free green energy, that's the national security issue. That's the reason why this whole

UFO topic is hidden underneath the Department of Energy. And the most base form of this energy source is a ball of plasma, much like our sun, but not at extreme temperatures. Basically, just producing, think of it as like a miniature little head black hole that you can produce that changes the boundary of space time within a spherical region of space in front of you. You know, like a little sphere that just floats around.

But it produces plasma and this plasma self-organizing. These things are called EVOs, exotic vacuum objects, and they are luminous, meaning they are going to be bright objects because this interaction that we can produce or potentially any civilization can produce pulls real photons directly from, I'm going to just call it the ether, but, you know, the zero point energy fields that are out there. And that's why people are seeing these balls of light and energy that are out there. So going back to the original premise of this discussion, these balls. of light that people are seeing floating around. I think they're seeing real stuff and it's not balloons and it's not quote unquote drones with like lights attached to them. They're seeing objects that either other civilizations or we have produced that are floating

freely like a ball of plasma but a drone underneath it with light on it. And this is so important for us to understand because it gives us this a comprehensive comprehensive framework for understanding why this is disruptive. Those balls of energy are free energy. Even Ken's shoulders, the guy that discovered them, says it's like, almost verbatim says it's basically like an infinite battery that doesn't run out because it basically just produces this asymmetry of charge, of electrostatic charge, naturally. Naturally, it's like it's default form, as long as you get this right vertical motion

going on in your plasma correctly, then this default form is it's just pulling energy straight out of the vacuum. Hey, Ashtia, I just want to ask you, as far as the state of matter, is this a solid or is this something else? Because the reason I ask is because, you know, I listen to you all the time about these plasma orbs and these things that are, you know, they have their own light in. To me, I would feel like they're almost transparent. but the picture that still shot we saw in Manchester,

it looks like a solid object. Yeah, that's the part where I can't wrap my head around because there's also, of course, going to be a lot of stuff out there that's not necessarily real, that's being blended in with a lot of real stuff. And there could be a possibility that we can make, like, balloon-type objects that do have solid covers on them, you know, or solid, you know, material on them.

Yeah. From what I've been reading about the plasma, though, is that the plasma could come in literally any color because they can tune the wavelength, which will change the wavelength, the visible, the light, or even potentially be invisible to the human eye because we only see a small band of wavelengths.

So that was one of the more amazing revelations when I started to dig it, is that they can actually change the color of these objects depending on whatever coherent frequency they can set it to. They just needs to be above a critical. threshold and then all of a sudden the plasma starts to have this weird self-organizing property of nature to it. Yeah.

And so there might be solid ones. Maybe not. I wouldn't say. I can't say for sure. Yeah. And so with all these sightings, I mean, especially over the past 72 hours. I mean, we're seeing them over multiple U.S. air bases in the United Kingdom. We've been seeing them over U.S. air bases in the United States as well.

Do you think this is more, I guess, kind of a. a showing of force potentially because of the world's situations at play right now. And maybe we're starting to unleash some of, some of, or maybe a glimpse of our technology that we have. So in other words, is this our technology? Is this UAPs or is this fake?

That's funny. That was the next thing I had in my notes right here is that the question you should really be asking any critically minded observer is why are we not shooting them down? He stands are over our air bases. We're not shooting them down. We're not taking any action against them. So the people they would say, oh, well, it's aliens. They're going to say, well, we're afraid of, you know, disrupting the, you know,

negotiations with aliens or our diplomacy with the aliens. It doesn't really hold for me, but I can see why we'll make that argument. To me, the better argument is that's just our national, that's our technology. That's our defense contractors. That's our military. and we're just seeing our own technology up there. The public is seeing it. Maybe we're using them as defense, you know, perimeter type things.

Who knows? And, you know, we're just, we're calling them drones. I've been saying this for a while. That's just the code name now, too, for this. Right. Because technically they are drones. In many cases, I think the last balls of plasma, they're just drones of plasma flying around.

There's some small device in there that we can communicate with. And so, yeah, to me, that's the logical answer, why we're seeing more of them, why are predominantly seeing them over U.S. bases. If that was Russia and China's drones, orbs, whatever it is, like, we're going to hit it with some EMP or whatever it takes to take it down. And that goes to Tucker's last point. One thing I think is very important to address in this is that the one argument that people try to make is, well, if these things are so advanced, how are they crashing?

And you have to realize that it's like surfing. You're not invincible when you're surfing. In fact, just a small push can knock somebody off balance and knock them off their surfboard. And that's the same idea with these UFOs is that if it's manipulating gravity at a specific coherent frequency, then if you manipulate that, if you interact with that, you are going to throw it off. You're going to jiggle it and then potentially it'll fall. You could argue it might even be easier to knock them down when they use it. this type of propulsion. Well, and listen, you know, Tucker also says, which we're going to play this

video in just a little bit, but, you know, Tucker talks about how, how long we have seen these types of things in the sky, these lights, these, uh, otherworldly crafts or UAPs, UFOs, whatever the case is. I mean, even if you go back to Ezekiel's will or ancient, uh, hieroglyphs or whatever the cases may be. So, and we've asked this question many times as well, obviously, you are full force on a lot of the, hey, I think. a lot of this is advanced technology, but how much of that is not advanced technology, especially if you look back in time, or could you even potentially make the argument for advanced technology even back then?

Yeah, I think you can do both. And I think we really should not get ahead of ourselves on that front. To me, the biggest thing is clearly the technology existing and it existing now and us benefiting from it. Yeah. After that, then it's a matter of, okay, you know, did this? Did we discover this ourselves when we discovered quantum mechanics? Or did we, you know, have we had help?

Did we find something? Did we dig something up? There are some other civilization that's still on this planet that is from a past age, like Lost City of Atlantis, you know, was there, did the aliens come down and give us this technology? There's actually a lot of options, including us future humans giving us this information from the future. Right.

There's a crazy amount of options that are out there. And it's neat to think about, you know, my personal, you know, favorite is right now, you know, ancient civilization that this technology is some type of like discovering fire kind of situation. And we just haven't even hit that level yet. We're not even close to advance at the moment. We haven't even hit the next tier up, so to think, so to speak, in the video game. And if that's the case, then, yeah, we could have just.

discovered this thousand years ago, a million years ago. And we could have lost that technology or lost that discovery. But I want to ask you real quick, let's just talk about for a second, orbs versus drones. To me, when I think about drones, I think about it as being made, you know, human made. They have a certain proportion. They're solid. They move like normal airplanes.

They can't maneuver like we are seeing these orbs mover and disappear and break into threes and break into triangles or whatever. Tell me what you think the difference between a drone and an orb is. Well, what they're really doing is they have sometimes a very small device in there that's abusing the dynamic Casimir effect or the Casimir effect in general to create an attractive force at a very small scale. And when they do this and they create this force here at the small scale, they can ramp that up with multiple microchips or what have you.

So the type of device they would need in there is going to be extremely small. And then they can just kind of tune the frequency as they need to be able to produce to. What they're going to do is they're going to rip the electrons out of the atmosphere, out of a molecule in there. And then that's going to create a ball, huge ball plasma around it. So end of the day, there's something in there, but it's very small. and this is where there is really no different distinction between this, oh, ball plasma and this a conventional drone.

You know, it's just, it's an autonomous vehicle. But how would you create that, Ashton? Have you ever thought about, like, how would you create a device that you could communicate with in a ball of plasma? Yeah, and that's a great question, is that the next thing is it turns out, the guy that discovered these EVOs, this self-organizing nature of plasma at cold temperatures, Ken's shoulders. Well, his partner was a guy named Hal Pudoff. They worked together at the Stanford Research Institute in the 70s. And they got together in the 80s. And in 1980, Ken's shoulders realized

that the ether was real, that there really is this sea of energy that's out there. Well, Hal Pudov, his partner, has a patent that people should go look at called communication system. In the abstract for the patent, it literally says, This is a method for communicating through shielding, such as seawater or plasma. Because normally electromagnetic frequencies would not be able to penetrate through plasma. So it turns out the guy that discovered these balls of plasma, which in my opinion as well, are cold fusion, real cold fusion, that his partner was the one that also discovered the method for communicating with them, which I don't think is a coincidence.

And it starts to give us a timeline where we can figure out when the United States government the defense contractors started producing these, which is probably late 90s or early 2000s. And then at some point, they've realized that these charged densities of these plasma balls is so massive. It's like going off the scale at that point. And then they realize if you can do stuff like jam them together,

you can create energy densities that had never been seen before by human beings. And you're kind of talking about there would be an action. physical device inside that actually creates the plasma. It is whatever that device is. They don't necessarily need that, but yeah, they have guns that can do it as well. And you can actually, I actually found schematics that include the price points. And this was back from early 2000s. So you can extrapolate, maybe it's twice as expensive now.

But there was two different models or apparatus setup. And one of them was around $125,000. The other one was around $60,000 or $7,000. $70,000. So even if you doubled that, quarter million dollars or, you know, whatever, to produce these, like, plasma generating devices. I call it like a plasma gun pretty much. But it can produce these EVOs that are like long lived. And that's the big special thing about them is normally you think, oh, I'm going to produce some plasma. Like, if I make a strike a match and produce a fire, it's going to dissipate very quickly. But these plasmas were, they were

self-sustaining. They were sticking around for longer than what was expected. And this is what led Ken shoulders to call them exotic vacuum objects because he believed they must be pulling that excess energy from the vacuum. And what you realize when you start to read the papers about them, like the other paper that I read that was very, very long was force-free time harmonic plasmoids. I have a feeling that Randall Carlson may be talking about this to Joe Rogan in the future. But in this one, it basically talks about how you basically stabilize this ball plasma, and it creates a natural boundary between that region where the plasma's in and then,

you know, the atmosphere around it. And the energy doesn't exchange between the two, like just the perfect, perfect natural spherical ball of energy. Is that where I think we're dealing with? Do you think that's where people are getting like they are driven? by gravity, like a gravity force? Yeah, it's exactly it. Because gravity itself is just a disparity

between amounts of energy in a certain region. And so what this means is that the region right around us has relatively low amount of energy compared to the Earth right below us, which has a ton. So we're feeling this pressure towards the greater amount of energy density. And what this means, too, is that if you pull the energy, out of a region, then you're going to have less energy density in that region. And that is what is happening with these EVOs, is that it creates a region of less energy

density and therefore less permittivity, which means that the speed of light is faster in that region. And then if you were to look at it, it's going to look very weird. You're going to see this lensing effect happening. So it's basically creating a gravitational well within this region of space. time, like an actual bubble. And this plasma seems to be the key. I don't know if, you know, a civilization could get advanced enough where you can produce it other ways.

But I think plasma is like the, this like property of it's like discovering fire, basically. Absolutely. I just want to ask one last question. Chad wants to move on. But as far as the Manchester siding then, in your opinion, what do you think it is and who was it created by? Truthfully, I have no idea. I have no idea on it.

This is the thing I'll leave you with on this. And I have to jump after this, but the reason why the MH370 videos are so compelling, the reason why I'm not just going to listen to some random YouTubers say that, oh, it looks like this other thing, therefore is debunk. We're never going to get high quality footage like that. High quality footage like that is so rare. We're often just stuck with still images of people's camera phones from really far away. and the MH370 videos, we're looking in infrared and we're looking in thermal.

We can see the heat signatures of these orbs, but normally we just see like a ball of light or something. And people try to use AI to enhance these images and things like that. But it's really not doing it justice. Like you can't really go based on those types of analysis. It needs to originally be in relatively high definition to have a good idea what's happening there. But the plus side is that MHHC70 videos do exist.

So we already have a pretty good. foundation, understanding for what type of technologies is out there and who would have access to it. Yeah, absolutely. Well, Ashton, I'm glad you came on because I wanted to get your opinion just on, you know, obviously people that listen in this episode, there's going to be a lot of people say, this is just our advanced technology, nothing more to see here. This is U.S. government tech or whatever the case may be. And so that's why I wanted to bring Ashton on, because if you want to know someone who has studied the potential of advanced technology, Yep, he's the expert.

It is Ashton Forbes. And by the way, guys, please go and follow Ashton Forbes. It's just X Ashton on X. Ashen, thanks for coming on, brother. Appreciate it. Thank you, you, guys. Take it easy. See you, love you, man.

So that was Ashton Forbes. And like I said, I wanted to bring Ashen on because, obviously, if someone has researched advanced technology as him, and there's no one I would bring on other than him because of his journey and everything he's kind of been through with MS-370 videos and then not, not. just that, but all the Pabors he studied and all of that. So now I want to get to some of my thoughts, right, some of what we are thinking on some of these deals. Let's first start with this entire webbot prediction. Okay. This was Trump and Rogan 39 days until an alien war. And this was some web bot that was created a while back, right? And it was actually created to predict, I guess, the stock market. And then this thing started also predicting other things, such as a interaction between Joe Rogan and

Donald Trump. And then not long after that, 39 days to be exact after this interaction between the two, then there would be an alien type of war or some type of war in the sky. Now, even if you go look this up on AI, which I use and utilize, we obviously use AI quite a bit. We had our very special friend and guest, Neeland, which he might make an appearance tonight. Well, never know. We might have to ask them about something. But yeah, we we use AI a lot. And AI at the very least, there are certain AI that is that is pretty accurate. And they're not ever going to typically say something that is misinformation or something has said that, hey, this is debunked or whatever

the case is. This has not actually been debunked, right? The web bot thing with AI or anything has not been debunked. And this program that predicts things based on data predicted Donald Trump and Joe Rogan would have an interaction. And then 39 days later, which is December the 3rd, there would be an alien-type war in the sky. This is crazy. And now we're, what, November 29th and there is mass sightings across the world. Yeah, the last two days. Yeah.

We have four days to go until that date. So listen to this. I'll just let this dude explain it because he explains it pretty well. Listen. In the vast landscape of internet law and technological curiosity, few stories are as intriguing as that of Cliff High and his groundbreaking software, Webbot. Developed in 1997, Webbot was initially designed

to analyze data from across the internet to make predictions about the stock market. However, as High explored the software's capabilities, he stumbled upon something far more sensational. Year of Development, 1997, creator, cliff high, initial purpose, stock market predictions, expanded use, forecasting various future events. One of the most astonishing predictions made by Webbot came in 2009. The software forecasted a dramatic future scenario involving military engagements,

a battle in the air between military forces and UFOs into UFO conflict. The prediction even suggested that UFOs would engage in combat with each other. This was not just a whimsical thought. The prediction indicated that a specific trigger would set these events in motion. According to Webbot, once this trigger occurred, the predicted events would transpire just 39 days later. You know, what could possibly trigger such an extraordinary series of events? The answer was as unexpected as the prediction itself.

Webbot identified that the catalyst for this future confrontation would be an interview. Donald Trump would be interviewed by Joe Rogan. The prediction stated that 39 days after Joe Rogan interviews, Donald Trump, a massive battle will take place in the skies around the world. December 3rd, 2024 is the day. This connection raises numerous questions about the intersection. of technology, politics, and the unknown. The idea that a casual conversation could lead to such a monumental shift in the future is both fascinating and unsettling.

Cliffey's webbot serves as a reminder of the unpredictable nature of our world and the potential hidden within technology. Whether or not one believes in the accuracy of such predictions, the story prompts us to consider the implications of our actions and the interconnectedness of events in ways we may not fully understand. So there you go. that is the web bot prediction and is that not crazy created originally in 1997 you had this prediction in 2009 that said that a a conversation between joe rogan and donald trump would lead

to an alien war or some type of war in the skies between potential aliens and military 39 days later december 30 and that's just crazy in itself in 2009 it was predicting Donald Trump and Joe Rogan having a conversation. At that time in 2009, we had no idea Donald Trump would even run as president, become a president, and then be a new elect president at that time. Yeah, exactly. No, you're 100% correct, Sherry. And the thing is, we don't know exactly what this means.

Doesn't mean anything, right? We've had so many dates across history. You know, you remember Y2K. I remember my mom bought Rice B. water. She bought everything, dude. Like she, I guarantee you still has that rice and water up in her freaking addict, dude.

She needs to get rid of that. Yeah. And I remember back in 2000, it was like 1999. I was scared of shit. I was like, what the hell is about to happen? Like, because this is about to be scary.

And then nothing happened at all. It was like the computers are supposed to go back to some kind of zero shit. And this was, I think, you know, if you go back to like conspiracy theories or rumors that just go wild, The fact that that conspiracy theory in 1999 was able to get that much momentum and that many people were scared about this, right?

I would actually love to do a podcast on that to dive deep into that because obviously there was something there that someone wanted people to believe a certain thing for a various reason, especially before social media. Because the good thing about social media now is that if something like Y2K comes up, right now. And they try to give you that same bullshit argument about, hey, the computer is going to go back to zeros and all the power grids are going to go out and we're all screwed. With X and platforms like that, there's no way that shit is ever going to last more than a

week or day probably. Because most people would be able to figure out, is that possible? You got AI now. You get all these things. And it's just not going to work. The people have too much information and too much power now, which is also the threat to the government. It's also, that is the biggest threat to the new world order and the globalist around the world right now. That is why they are desperately wanting to censor platforms like

X is because people have too much information and now they can no longer control people unless they have advanced ways of controlling people. So even if we go back to what we're seeing in the sky right now, we have three options, right? In my opinion. And we had the first option. We just talked to Ashton Forbes with advanced government technology. Maybe this is it. And maybe that's also potentially part of what we're going to talk about later. Yeah, but if it is advanced government technology, they had to have got it from somewhere. Exactly.

Now, you're 100% right. But if a lot of what we're seeing is not neither advanced technology or drones or any of this stuff, right, what is that? Well, we don't know. But I want to get to a quick clip of Tucker Carlson on Joe Rogan. And then I'm going to talk about an FBI document that was declassified. Now, is this FBI document declassified because of a sciop? They want you to believe a certain thing?

Or was it declassified because they thought no one would believe it? And we'll talk about that. But let's first get to this quick clip of Tucker Carlson talking about UFOs on Joe Rogan because we have to talk about this before we get into the FBI document. Listen. as servicemen have died as a result of contact with or being the proximity of these vehicles. And we know that because there are a lot of suits working their way through the VA system. Yeah?

Where families, you know, can't get compensated for the deaths or injuries to loved ones. Because it's all underwraps top secret. Well, that's just a fact, okay, that that is happening. So if there's, I guess, you know, when there are measurable physical effects of a phenomenon, we can say conclusively the phenomenon is real. Right. And so, yeah. But isn't it? I mean, I guess we're sort of past the point of like, is it real?

Yeah, it's real. It's real in that there's these things that are moving in very bizarre ways and they have these propulsion systems that violate what we know about propulsion systems. And we know that there is a real effort and has been underway for a long time to keep the public from knowing about it. But that's all known. That's established. I don't think any rational person would deny that. The question is like, what is it actually? I mean, now is sort of the point you have to ask, like, what is this?

And, you know, so that's the conversation. How much what do you think is ours? Well, none of it's ours. None of it. Well, I don't know. I mean, clearly, you know, the U.S. government is huge. It's the largest human organization. I think then I think there are two million federal employees and another 10 million federal

contractors, so who are effectively government employees but don't have civil service protection, for example. So that's 12 million people in a country of 340 million working for the federal government. So it's kind of hard to overstate how big the federal government is and how well funded. And so to say the government. this, the government, that. No, of course, it's people within the government. But, yeah, they're working on all kinds of things, obviously, that are classified. But in general, no, they can't control these objects.

So, no, it's not American technology. Well, or Russian or Chinese. It predates, you know, all of that. Well, some of it does, right? Like, for sure, the Kenneth Arnold sightings, that was really early. That was like the early 1950s. He was seeing these flying saucers, these disks that were moving over mountains. Well, right. I mean, the prophet Ezekiel writes about it in the first chapter, wheels in the sky.

Yeah, that's a crazy one. Boy, when you read that. Well, it is crazy. If you read it, it's like, oh, wow. Yeah. And not just, you know, the Hebrew scriptures, like it's all over every. The Vedic texts. Of course.

So these are spiritual phenomenon. There's no evidence there from another planet. I mean, I think that's the op, that's the lie, that they're from Mars. Look, space, the atmosphere is really well monitored, right? Both for military, for defense reasons, but also because it would be nice to know when asteroids are coming. And there's no evidence has never been any evidence. There are lots of these objects, these vehicles coming into our atmosphere from somewhere

else, some other planet. There's no evidence of that at all. So there you go. There's Tucker Carlson on Joe Rogan talking about, look, he doesn't believe any of this is ours. don't necessarily agree with him. Obviously, if you see drones over UK or whatever drone incursions, you could say that, hey, that's drone technology, but that's pretty obvious, right?

It looks like an airplane. It might have similar lights of an airplane. It might move in very similar ways of an airplane, like what you were saying earlier, Sherry. But basically, isn't a drone is a, it's kind of a craft that is driven without a person? It typically has a repeller. There's no pilot.

No. It's only the opposite thing. Yeah. Yeah. They have no pilot. Like, for example, our Reaper drones and a lot of the stuff that the United States government uses, you know, these drones have propellers, right? And they are able to fly very high. They're very lightweight.

They are controlled almost like a flight simulator would be controlled. I mean, these, these specialists people in our military literally sit in like cubicles. They have computer screens like you would be flying a flight simulator and they're flying a drone. In real time. And by the way, those drones can destroy this shit out of you. I mean, we have used drones to kill some of the biggest terrorist leaders in the world. Even the terrorist leader, I believe, under Donald Trump, I can't remember his name now. But I think that was, I think he was killed by a drone.

Yeah, that was like on the sixth floor of where he was staying. No, no, no, that one, Salamani, Solomon, I believe. It was either, I'm maybe mixing up stories. But regardless, I know we destroyed a dude in a drone that was in a car with his family driving on a road and he got hit by a drone right there there's various movies by the way you can watch these drone attacks and i can't remember what the movie was but there was a movie in particular to where these guys are trying to get to the green zone and there were drones ahead and we're not talking about these little drones we're not talking about the ukrainian drones that you

can go by a Best Buy then where they put you know grenades on them we're talking about massive drones with missiles and all that shit on them and these drones will destroy you I mean, and not only destroy you, they have heat seeking, they have radar, they have infrared, they have every single possible capability that you could possibly have on an aircraft or fighter jet alike. They can hit you just as good, if not better, than fighter jets, because they fly a lot slower or they can speed up and they can, they're very targeted, right, in what they're doing.

And I guess that's why I'm synthesizing my thinking. My thinking is changing as things are. coming out because to me, my thinking is a drone is something that is piloted by somebody behind a computer or whatever. But then when we talk to Ashton, he's like, no, a drone could be an orb. It could. And this is where my thinking's got to change because I'm not thinking an orb can be a drone. Well, listen.

But there are people that will argue with Ashton, right, as far as if you're talking about some type of plasma slash device. device or orb that can go from zero to a thousand miles per hour instantaneously. And turn around and disappear and come back and come to three. Yeah. There's going to be people that will argue that, right, all day, every day. And they should because that is one of the most contentious subjects of advanced technology. Do we have that technology or do we not?

I am skeptical personally. I am skeptical because I always say that, you know, if you look at just a power structure. You give anyone power. We've talked about this for so long. You get people power. They're going to use it and they're going to abuse it. And especially if you give companies or organizations power that have no oversight, for example, the fact that we are talking about, congressional hearings to where they're trying to bring people in, trying to get information, no one knows who the hell actually has advanced technology or not. The Congress don't have oversight of it. The government has no oversight of it. And you're telling me these people are just

behaving nicely and not you. using advanced technology that could destroy the entire world? Exactly. And just 10 years ago, we thought all this technology was at every 51. And now look, it's everywhere is what we're hearing and seeing. Yeah, it's pretty nuts. I want to get to a quick thing real quick. Let me make sure I get to this.

So we're going to talk about the, yeah, right here. Okay. I just want to make sure I have it here. So there was a UFO document, right? This UFO document in particular memorandum 6751 dated July 8th, 1947. Wow. It is a document that discusses the existence and nature of certain entities described as super normal beings. And this is declassified.

This is an actual document you guys can look up. FBI memorandum 6751. And it describes super normal. beings from another world, it says, authored by Mead Lane, director as Borderland Sciences Research Associates, the memorandum, the memorandum was declassified and made public in 2010. Now, some of the key points here is that they talk about the origin and entities. The memo suggests that these beings originate from an ethoric planet or etheric planet that impenetrates with their own and is not present.

perceivable to us. This concept aligns with the esoteric terms like locust or talus referring to different planes of existence. This is an actual FBI document. Now, the entities are described as human-like, but much larger in size. They are not the deceased earth humans, but come from another world. Their craft are said to possess a type of radiant energy or rays. that can easily disintegrate after attacking whatever object they want to attack.

These disks can materialize and dematerialize by adjusting their vibratory rate to match our dense matter. Their memorandum states that their mission is peaceful and that they contemplate settling on this plane. It advises that the newcomers be treated with kindness. And so Mead Lane was known for his. interest in esoteric and paranormal subjects, and the content of this memo reflects those interests. The document was part of the FBI's files and was released to the public through the FBI's

vault, which houses documents released under the Freedom of Information Act. So then you also talk about there are various other documents in the FBI's arsenal, where it talks about they believe that either, and it's not just FBI, it's also Pentagon documents that have been declassified. to where they kind of hint to what we're seeing as far as UFOs or UAPs over the course of history has been spiritual or interdimensional in nature. Well, and I also heard the word ether in a way. Ethoteric, yeah. Yeah.

I don't know. That's basically what it is. Ether? Yeah, I think that's the same thing. Is that a common word that we're using between Ashton and what you're talking about? And is that a common thing or a common element is ether. Yeah, it is. Well, Ether is many people try to debunk it, right?

Many people try to say the ether don't exist. And they don't want you to believe that ether exists, which essentially what the ether is, is anything that is outside of our perceivable knowledge. It is an outside force that can be utilized or manipulated or used in a certain way, right? And the big thing here is, and it goes back to what Tucker Carlson said was, I think the biggest op for Tucker Carlson, with everything that he's read, research, known, told, whatever. And just going back to Ashton Forbes, what he said earlier, you know, with how connected Tucker Carlson is. He's saying, you know, he's just saying the biggest op in his mind is that they want to take your attention away from a lot of the stuff that we have seen and are seeing, especially now ramping up, is that it is spiritual in nature.

and they want to take your attention off of that, even if it is to tell you this little green men from another planet or advanced technology, they would rather be either of those two in some ways than spiritual. The spiritual, because if you see some spiritual beings to where maybe what you've read in the Bible or maybe. People see that stuff in the clouds all the time. I know, what I'm saying is it takes their power and control away. The more that the people believe in a higher power, there's a reason.

why you call it a higher power. Right. Because it's higher than any power on earth. And if you take that power away from the people, if you take that thought and that belief and the actual power away from the actual power that is trying to be structuredized on earth, then you take the power away from you to control the people. Let me ask you a question, Chad. And this is probably a tough question.

What do you think the difference between spiritual and interdimensional is? I don't think there is a difference, really. I mean, personally, I don't, I think it's, I think it's the one and the same, right? I mean, spiritual, interdimensional, I don't think there's two different things. I think maybe the way that we perceive what is spiritual or interdimensional or biblical or religion. I think all those things are classified based on whether or church it goes to. Yeah, like, you know, if you go to this church, you believe in these things.

Are you allowed to drink or not a lot of drinking this church? Are you allowed to have gay marriage or not? Are you allowed to believe in this or not? Do you believe in this prophet or this prophet or this prophet? Well, I'm not saying even like cultural religion. I'm talking about the difference. Sure, I know. Spiritual beings coming from heaven and interdimensional.

Are they the same? Are they different? I think they're all the same. I think there is an absolute truth. I think there is no various truths to the world and to reality. I mean, and that's what I want to make very clear. I think that there is no. know multiple truths. I don't think there is like, you know, there's, there's 20 religions and all of

them are true. I don't think that. Right. I think there is an absolute. I think there is a 100% one truth of one thing. Is there a God? Well, if there is, there's one God. Or if there's 12 gods, well, there's 12 gods. But there is an absolute truth. And we do not 100% know that. I mean, I hate to say that. It's just that's the reality. That's the truth. I mean, you know, I said something to, I said something to, Aaron actually last night, you know, your daughter's boyfriend. Mm-hmm. And I was telling him, I said, I said, it's funny because so many people get up in arms about questioning our history or whatever it is.

Whatever, whatever the topic is, especially ancient history or, or, you know, if you're archaeologists, oh, don't question my expertism. How old the sphinx is or whatever. Pyramids or things like that, yeah. But think about, you know, and I told Aaron, I said, think about how much we've been lied to. over the past 10 years alone. Like what if you wrote books on the past four years based on what they've told you the past four years? What if you wrote books on that?

No, no, I'm saying. What if they only took that past four years and sent it to 50 years from now? And that's the way things were. Right. It's all lies. Most of it's lies.

But that's what you have. What else do you have to go on? Right. And so imagine. And it's like he said, what are you talking about? It's like even the past six months. Like I think about how much we lie. I've been lied to about this in six months.

So think about hundreds of years or thousands of years. Think about how much things have changed. Think about how many lies we have been told and how many lies the people have been told over thousands of years. We just can't even contemplate it. And I think that goes back to a government system, wouldn't you say? Yeah, but the government's always been around. There's just been always some type of power and control structure. And the best way to control people is to lie to them.

And that's been the history of the world. and it doesn't matter what part of the world you lie to the people continuously because if you don't lie to the people, you can't control them. If you told the people the truth, which is that you should be completely 100% free, then you don't make money.

You don't have power and you don't have control. So they have to lie to you to control you. I mean, you know, if you watch any, basically if you watch any true crime documentary where they're like, oh, the husband was manipulative and he was this. And they eventually killed everybody. Well, he was,

powerful at some point. He was controlling and he lied and he manipulated to get to the controlling part. That's just the, that is the way the world works. That is the way history works. That is the way governments work. They don't work on actually loving the people and being, you know, they're not for the people by the people. No, they're not. They're against the people and to control the people. That's just the history of the world in reality. And so a lot of people kind of just say, well, that's okay because we have to have some type of structure. And without structure, then we have chaos. But the reality is, is that even with structure, you still have chaos.

It's just how much chaos are you able to put up with? And so there's some people that say, I would rather go back to the days where it was Wild West days, right, to where you effed around, you found out very fast, right? Or, you know, you committed a crime. And there's some parts of the world still, to this day, you commit some kind of crime like that, you get either executed in the streets or whatever the case is, it is still back in kind of old days. But the more that you, the more you say you want to be safe, the more you are controlled by

the system, right? So it's like, well, the government's can, they're making sure I'm safe. Yeah, they're taking care of me. But you're also a lot more controlled in that way, right? And so that's my point. Anyways, I want to get to a clip after all of that. We went a little bit off the rails, but it's all, you know. It's all good.

It's all true. I want to get to this clip about declassified military programs to reveal that fallen angels exist. These are declassified military programs. And this comes from the end times productions. Listen. If you come in direct contact and it's not just things like that. It's even people who suffer from sleep paralysis and things like that as well. Or even close encounters.

It's all connected. And the fact that this hitchhacker phenomenon, that it spreads like a virus. So it spreads throughout your family and your friends, and co-workers, and it could spread out into the neighborhood. Even the FBI document, 6751, if you read that document, it says that the entities are not from another planet, but from another plane or another reality or another dimension, is the way that it's worded in those documents or that document particular.

and it says that they are not normal size like us. It says they are much larger. A lot of these people that have gone out to Skin Locker Ranch or some of these other things that we've discussed when they are seeing these shadow people in their homes. Some of them say that they are anywhere between 8 to 10 feet tall. And it doesn't just stop right there either. Even at S2, which is an Air Force base.

At S2, George Knapp has talked about they have seen shadow people out at these military bases. and that they are roaming and running around. Guards have encountered them and pulled guns on them. Well, if you listen very carefully to what the Navajo and the people are saying out there, especially the indigenous people, they talk about these things like they're more demonic entity. And this is coming from them.

In fact, do you know much about the great witch purge of 1878? That was not too long after they had been resettled, and they thought that part of the... The reason why they had been kicked out the land had something to do with witches. And so when they dug up a body of one of the Indians that had been buried, they found a copy of the treaty in that Indian stomach, and they believed that it had something to do with witches. So they killed several members of their tribe.

That was the great witch purge of 1878. They believe that the witches, they commit these murders. They either commit a murder of somebody who is very close to them, or somebody is very near and dear to them, and that by doing so, it opens them up and gives them this power to shape shift. But again, when you really look into this stuff, these things are coming from another dimension or another realm

because out there at Skimwalker Ranch, they have seen these things literally windows, portals opening up out there, and that they exit these portals, these windows, and they roam around. In fact, they had one that came out of a portal, ran across the field, another portal opened up, and it went through that,

portal and disappeared. Is it another dimension? Like when you go through the door, is it another plane of existence? They've even ran into the predator creature out there not on one occasion, but multiple occasions out there at Skinwalker Ranch. Back when Terry Sherman owned the ranch, they ran into the predator creature.

A gentleman that had heard some of the news events about what was going on out there when they first started talking about it before Bigelow even showed up and bought the ranch. Somebody had trove out there and wanted to know if he could go out onto the property and pray or meditate. So he's sitting out there praying and meditating. And next thing, they know they keep hearing a cowbell, but none of Terry's cows had any

cowbells on them. So all of a sudden he saw something like a blur running from the tree line towards this individual who was sitting out there in the middle of this pasture. And whatever it was, he said it was humongous. He said it ran up and stood right over him. He said it was louder than a bear. and lying and let out this mungous roar and the guy actually jumped six feet back from a sitting position and he was so petrified he would not let go of them after they ran over and helped him back

up finally terry had to tell him he said if you don't let go on me i'm going to hitchy and he told him he said i'll i'll let go of you but you've got to get me up this property and he said this property is cursed he said this he said you're dealing with the devil You have a dance with a death by the pale moon. This has been going off for a very long time because Franciscan monks who have been out there since 1776 have reported seeing three fireballs flying around in the sky out there. So this has been going on for a very long time. The Indians have known it even longer than that. And like I said, most of them, they won't even go near the ranch.

And the ones that do, they usually take offerings or animal skins and they put them on the fence post to ward off the, spirit and keep them at bay. That's their words. Brandon Fugel, an interview that he did with Sean Ryan, actually said that. And that's the thing is that they don't even like talking about these entities. And it's not just that, but it's when dingo, any of these entities that you can name off. They do not like them being mentioned, because like they said, if you talk about them, it's invoking them.

And they will come looking for you. So it sounds more like, it sounds more demonic than anything. They even Jacques Ville and a lot of these researchers, especially like Nigel Kerner and all these other UFOologists out there that really study this, they all akin the whole alien thing that it's more demonic than it is something coming from another galaxy or another world. In the Bible, what if it's connected? Do you think it's connected? Yeah, it's all absolutely connected. In fact, did you know that Kenneth Arnold? and Jack Parsons were flying buddies.

And Robert Goddard, who was another rocket engineer that was early pioneer in the rocket engineering, lived in Roswell. And he also knew both of these individuals. So you got that. So it's like you have the Kenneth Arnold siding, and the less than two weeks later you have the Roswell crash and that these individuals all knew one another. The U.S. Air Force started investigating Jack Parsons because of when he worked for, when he worked for, for Howard Hughes, and he had taken classified documents out of the facility without permission. And so once they started investigating him, that's what led them into learning that him, Elron Hubbard, were understudies of Alistair Crowley, and that they had been doing this ritual

called the Babylon Working between the years 1945 and 1946, and that supposedly they were successful in 1946. I believe that they actually did exactly what they set out to do to bring about Babylon, the whore of Babylon and the son of perdition in times. In fact, it was Charles Rays Tussle, who was the creator of Jehovah's Witnesses, who said that the end of the world would begin on October, was it October 14th, 1912? And that was the same day that Jack Parsons was born. Okay, that's freaky.

Okay. That's freaky, right? What are the odds of that? Well, not just the rituals that they were performing out there at his mansion that he lived at, but also whenever they would go out and they would do these rocket launches, he was performing rituals to the Greek God Pian and doing all sorts of things. I mean, this stuff, it gets really dark and really deep, really quickly. In fact, the place that they would go out there and do these rocket tests was called Devil's

Gate Dam. In fact, him and his suicide squad, another interesting term right there. And come to find out, the same Robert Goddard that we were talking about a while ago, that's where he did all his rocket experiments. It's the exact same location, Devil's Gate Dam. So, like I said, you're seeing coincidence after coincidence and just over and over overlap. It's all completely connected. In fact, looking into the Hitcher's, Hitchhiker Effect, which is part of Skinwalker Ranch, that led me into the remote viewers. I found out I thought they were the early pioneers of the hitchhacker effect because Yuri Geller, one of the researchers, was part of SRI and the early remote viewing program when they were

researching him and looking into his powers, all the scientists that were assigned. I want to pause here for just a second. Just so people that do not know, Jack Parsons, who he's talking about here, He was a fascinating and a pretty popular figure in American history, and now for his groundbreaking work in rocket science and his involvement in a coldism. And so he was Jack Whiteside Parsons, rocket scientist, engineer, and chemist. He was a key figure in early development of rocket propulsion. He co-founded the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, or also in a JPL,

and the Aerojet Corporation, both of which played crucial roles in advancing rocket technology. in the United States. He was instrumental in developing solid rocket fuel, which laid the groundwork for the American Space Program. His connection to the occult, Parsons, was deeply involved in occultism and became a devoted follower of Alastair Crowley's Thelma, a spiritual philosophy of emphasizing individual and magical practices.

Now, obviously, Alistair Crowley is a huge nun figure in occultism, devil worshiping the whole nine, which we're going to do an episode on him on his, on, but he led the Agapi Lodge, the Los Angeles branch of Crawley's Ordo Templi or Ointz or OTO, and conducted elaborate occult rituals. Parsons believed that the science and magic could coexist that the mystical practice could influence reality. And so also his friendship with El Ron Hubbard, Parsons had a very controversial relationship

with El Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology. The two worked together on magical rituals in the late 19th. 1940s including the infamous Babylon working an attempt to summon a divine feminine entity and bring about spiritual transformation on earth. So for those that don't know about this divine spiritual entity and more so a feminine entity, you got to go back to Chris Bledsoe and a lot of his experiences with the UFO and UAP phenomenon. maybe a lot of people believe that this relationship in the very beginning actually started to summons a lot of the occultism, this evil, demonic realm of stuff. Maybe we're seeing today. Maybe people have had experiences with. We don't know.

Yeah, but when you talk about all these experiments that they're doing, you think about devil, Satan, suicide, devilgate, all these things, hitchhiker. Like they all go back to like these demotic symbols, I guess. Yeah, absolutely. And by the way, so he died. Parsons died in a mysterious explosion in his home laboratory in 1952 at age of 37. While it was officially ruled an accident, theories are ranging from a botched experiment to assassination due to his unorthodox lifestyle or potentially very sensitive or top secret knowledge that he had stumbled upon.

So I just wanted to let you guys know. I want to break in just to let you guys. you understand who he's talking about here. Listen. Recently, started having a hitchhacker effect in their homes and their families. The branch of the CIA called M.K. Often.

And this branch, that was their thing, was that they got into the occult and esoteric. Pretty much kind of like the honor and NERBE was the Nazis version. You know, they had several things like the Thule Society and Brill. But it was the honor Nerbe who was really steeped

in the occult as well as the virile. But, yeah, M.K. often, I mean, they would infiltrate seances. They would send members into seances. They actually openly talked with witches, active witches. In fact, one of the most well-known witches, this well-known witch was Sybilique. This lady, she was so well-known that H.G. Wells, Lawrence of Arabia, and Alastaira Crowley all used to visit her back when she was nine years old. Her family was that connected. In fact, when M.K. often, was dealing with her and approaching her, she would tell them where the most active covens were, all the different locations of witches and covens all around the world. I mean, you know that also, what was it, Crowley and several of his colleagues, they all worked with British intelligence. So that's another thing. It's like a lot of these people that are steeped in the occult and witchcraft and things like that,

and demonic and satanic rituals also have a lot to do with spies. and spy agencies, different governments, intelligence agencies. I mean, there was a lady at the beginning of the film that you hear. I want to stop here for a second as well because he's talking about a lot of these people that kind of experience a lot of stuff has connections or deep connections to spy agencies, intelligence agencies. And then we also got to think about how many intelligence agencies have done the remote viewing, have done MK Ultra, have talked about things of paranormal or,

investigated or try to manipulate or utilize the spiritual realm. Yeah, through mental telepathy. Yeah, or something, right? This has been one of the main courses for intelligence agencies around the world. How do we not only manipulate or encounter or connect with the other realm? Well, you even think about Stephen Greer. Yeah, how do we control it, right? And that's what they're trying to do.

And it seems like that's been a pretty long-lasting. effort. Now, the hitchhiker, a hitchhiker effect refers to basically a phenomenon where individuals or groups who basically investigate or enact with a paranormal or supernatural phenomena seem to experience lingering, unexplained effects in their own lives. This term is most commonly associated with the UFO or paranormal research, particularly in connection with high strangeness events such as those documented in places like Skinwalker Ranch and other places. So you got to think about like after encounter. in a supernatural event or engaging in a paranormal investigation, individuals often have strange

occurrences that follow them home. And this can include. Yeah. This can include poltergeist like activity, unusual synchronicities or even physical manifestations, such as lights or apparations. People affected by the hitchhiker effect may experience heightened anxiety, vivid dreams. I think we have that. I have that.

Uncanny sense of being watched. The effects often continue long after the initial occasion. counter. And then you also have the phenomena don't only affect the initial experiencer, but family members, friends, colleagues who have had no direct interactions with the paranormal may also report strange occurrences as if the phenomenon has hitchhiked into their lives. And so some researchers theorize that this hitchhiker effect represents the energetic connection formed during the initial encounter that then the connection might allow entities or phenomena to persist or transfer through people who are

present in their presence. Yeah. And it doesn't matter what house you live in or where you move. It follows you. Yeah. So, you know, there's, there's explanation that say some believe that the phenomenon involve intelligent entities or energies that in, you know, intentionally attached to individuals. But you also have others that propose the interaction with high strangeness phenomena alters the observable consciousness, creating a thin boundary that allows for the ongoing anomalous experiences. And skeptics argue, obviously, that the effect could result. from heightened sensitivity, suggestively a trauma

or initial encounter leading individuals to receive normal events as paranormal. But nonetheless, there's something connected and something all says something about this. And it goes back to the UFO, UAP phenomenon. So many people, you know, if you go on like platforms like X or wherever, and you have all these people documenting their experiences,

documenting these lights in the sky, we have one person in particular, Brittany, which is a listener of ours, which we're going to bring Brittany on very soon. We have to, especially after this episode. She has been experiencing this for a while now. And she does participate or did in the CE5. Yeah, the CE5, Stephen Greer deal to where she, I guess, essentially summons these orbs.

And they come and they are still coming. And we had talked to her in a space probably a month ago. and listening to her and some of the things that have affected her life since she's been doing this, it's pretty profound. And I told her, it's like, Brittany, you got to come on our podcast and talk about this because your experiences, why she had to stop. She literally had to stop doing it because it was affecting a lot of what. But it still follows you because a lot of that has happened to us as well.

It happened to me since I was a child. I've told you guys on many podcasts. And, you know, people can think I'm crazy or whatever, but I am not crazy. Chad has even experienced these things with me when it normally, you know, it started in Colorado when I was a young girl. It follows you. Yeah, it can for sure. No, absolutely. You open yourself up to things.

You better be ready for what's to come because I think just most people just do not understand or believe that that's possible. And that's why I'm glad we had Ashton on to talk about the advanced side of technology. But I think there is a huge layer that people just do not understand, even probably more. more so than advanced. Advanced technology to me is a lot easier to explain or understand than what we're talking about right now. Yeah. And when he was-

This even seems more. Yeah. Out there. Yeah. More out there. But even when he was talking about the sleep parallelysis, I don't know if I said that right, but that happens to me quite frequently. Yeah.

Doesn't it not, Chad? I have hit Chad. I have bit Chad. Yeah. Last week, I hit my dog in the head three times on accident. Oh, my God. And then hit Chad in the bed. No, you, no, Sherry has bit me in my sleep.

I woke up yelling because she's attached to my arm for whatever reason. But I just last week hit the dog in the head three times as hard as I could because I was trying to fight. So now everybody knows Sherry's crazy. Anyway, let's move on. Let's move on. All right, let's listen to some more of this. She witnessed satanic rituals going on out at military bases. And she said that a lot of the people that are mixed up in the naval intelligence,

not all of them, but a lot of them are mixed up with the OTO, the Ordo Templi Orionis. There was programming. They used military bases because they won't have any interference. when they have someone on a military base. And a lot of my programming took place on a military basis. I would like to talk about the fact that there are rituals done at the military basis also and that rituals are not a cover. The people that do the mind control are involved.

and rituals are very much a part of how they do things. For example, naval intelligence members or people that are in naval intelligence are usually very involved with ordo template orienters. And that doesn't mean that everyone in naval intelligence is involved in one. but naval intelligence is responsible for a lot of overseeing of ritual activity in this country. And they are responsible for a lot of this going on. There are other organizations, other agencies involved, but naval intelligence is very involved. Well, not just that, but I don't know if you've read the book about Laurel Canyon.

Have you read any of that stuff and looked into it? Oh, man, yeah, the whole hippie movement. And I touched a little bit on this because people like Timothy Leary, who was big on promoting LSD and things like that, this was all part of the CIA and their M.K. Ultra as well as M.K. often and all that. In fact, this goes all the way back to Edgewood Arsenal. And they needed a giant pull of test subjects. So they were using the American public as guinea pigs so that they could see about tapping into powers, opening doors.

And these kids thought that they were just doing this and that they were just tripping on acid and that they were having this experience. but they were opening doors to the demonic. Yeah, so what he's talking about here, by the way, this reminds me of the rapper not long ago. What was it, Travis Scott maybe, potentially, where you had this event out there. I don't know. Maybe it was California,

but, you know, as people entered the actual concert venue, it was like a devil type entrance. You had fire. You had so many people that were passing out based on some type of low sound. Like a frequency, like a frequency that almost hypnotized people. They had stamped. They had devils on the top, like walking around. Absolutely.

They did. Yeah, for sure. And so what he's talking about here with the Laurel Canyon conspiracy refers to a theory suggesting that the 1960 and 70s counterculture music scene in Los Angeles, known as Laurel Canyon, was influenced or manipulated maybe by military and intelligence agencies. And so some of these musicians' backgrounds, you get to start there, many of the prominent artists from that era, such as Jim Morrison, of the doors and Frank Zappa.

Well, they had parents with military or intelligence connections for instance. Morrison's father was a U.S. Navy Admiral. And then you think about lookout Mountain Air Force Station located in Laurel Canyon, the facility operation from 1947 to 69 as a secret film studio for the U.S. Department of Defense and the Atomic Energy Commission. It produced classified films and photographs related to nuclear tests and other military. military operations, and this station's presence in the heart of the counterculture scene had fueled speculation about covert activities.

But then also the area was a site of notorious incidents like the Wonderland murders in 1981, where four people associated with the Wonderland gang was brutally killed. The crime remains unsolved and is added to the area's ignomatic reputation. And so there was author David McGowan explored the connections in his book, weird scenes inside the canyon, Laurel Canyon, covert ops and the dark heart of the hippie dream. Many people believe that this music festival and this entire area was manipulated by U.S. government to almost run some type of drug slash MK. Ultra sci-op type deal.

And you also have to think about many podcasts we've talked about the Illuminati and talking about Hollywood stars and music artists that they sell their soul. Yeah. To the devil, basically. And this is what happens. They're opening these doors. Yeah. And I see they're through humiliation rituals, through blackmail.

You look at P. Diddy, Epstein. And I'm sure there's. All of it. Yeah. Bohemian Grove. And there's so many more. I mean, there's so many more. We got a little more to listen to here.

Listen. Experience has been a manifestation of the demonic. It's something demonic about dark forces and demonic attacks. So I just got to ask, what's going on? What do you think is going on? I think that they've been dealing with satanic. They've been initiating satanic rituals at all levels of government because they are trying to tap into these things.

They want to make contact. It's no different than John D. Back when he was the person that worked for Queen Elizabeth, he was doing the exact same thing. He was tapping into the demonic end to get power, technology and a lot of the things, you know, that's the thing is that these rituals also they're able to control humanity to what, you know, most people think of as like MK often, MK Ultra, things like this, where it's, you know, like mind brainwashing, things like that,

but it's actually occult rituals. And it's not just the United States government, it's multiple governments. In fact, at the end of the film or towards the. end of the film. I have the footage where it shows the explosion of UFOs that takes place from 1947 leading up to 2012. And when you get done watching that, you see that the United States, as well as Australia and England or Europe, we're the most brightly lit places on the entire planet. There you go. And I want to play that clip for you guys, just so you understand kind of the other side of this. And in this audio, this guy,

was interviewing Chad Riley about his film called Skinwalkers and Stranger Things of the Unseen Realm. You guys should go check it out. He does a good job of explaining a lot of these instances we're talking about here. And in my mind, it's like, you know, back in those days, you know, you think about MK Ultra or all these other Laurel Canyon experience, the UFO, UAP phenomenon, and even, you know, the hitchhiker instances, or even people in the desert that disappears. We don't know how all of these things are connected.

But if you go back to some of our old-time presence, Roosevelt, I believe himself, Eisenhower, there was a couple others that potentially had some type of work in relationship with entities or UFOs. And when we say entities, I think that's important to highlight entities rather than aliens, right? Entities is a thing that I would classify as a maybe beyond earthly like being. So whether that is a spiritual being in nature, a demonic being in nature, if you look at Hollywood, you know, what does a lot of Hollywood people like to kind of get involved with Scientology? You look at kind of who created Scientology and how that kind of progressed, but also just the nature of what Hollywood, if you either make it based on if you were willing to say the things that the deep state in the system wants you to say, right? which is typically against freedoms. It's typically against anything that is pro-American.

It's always New World Order globalist. Yeah. And you either sell your soul or you don't make it. And a lot of that, you know, you look at the ditty stuff. You look at the Epstein stuff. If you make it, then you are going to have some sacrifices to be had. And if you put yourself through the hell that some of these music artists, it seems like they put themselves through or some of these politicians that have also put themselves

through to have. maintain and gain the power that maintain power forever. And then you wonder why people try to. Yeah. That and you wonder why people try to assassinate Donald Trump and they're desperately trying to keep people out that is not a part of that demonic system. You know, I think that's a big worry right now with Trump coming in and the people coming in is like, will the demonic system envelop Trump?

Will they, will they envelop the people coming in? Well, Vladimir Putin just said he better watch his back because he is not safe. talking about Trump. Yeah, Putin said you better continue to watch your ass because I'm telling you right now, you know, they know you're going to end this war. They know you're going to stop a lot of the stuff that they have been involved in for a very long time. And you are still not safe and you better be very extra cautious.

Vladimir Putin literally issued a statement of press conference about that yesterday to Donald Trump. Yeah. And I believe that 100%. And, you know, that's the biggest worry, I guess, with Trump. If you voted for Trump or like Trump or like any of his politics, policies or things he wants to do for America or the world, you have to understand there's a lot of people that do not want him to do that.

You know, there's a lot of people that absolutely are like you either are going to join our occultism, our demonic system, which I believe it is. I believe what we're seeing, I even believe that if the government has technology from either advanced civilizations or ETs or whatever. And I know it sounds bad shit crazy to say this. I think that if they do have that technology. technology, they've sold part of their selves to whatever entities these are. Do I believe that the things we see in the sky and have for a very long time are just

random UFO or ETs from other planets? Personally, no. I believe if you want to go biblically, I think it's probably some type of demonic or fallen angel. You used to not think that. I know. I know. I've, and I don't still know that for sure.

I'm just saying that, you know, if you go to some of the Bible verses, right? Because you used to, like, argue with Bree. about that. Yeah, I did. Well, I didn't argue with her about it. I just said that, you know, I just don't, I don't know. If you go to some of these verses, for example, like Isaiah 1412, how art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer's son of the morning? How art thou cut down to the ground which disd weakened nations. For thou hast said in their heart, I will ascend into heaven. I will assault my throne above the stars of God. Basically, this describes Lucifer's fall and his ambition to rise above God, which many interpret as the origin of fallen angels. But then also there's a narrative that shows Satan and his angels being expelled from heaven to the earth.

And even in Genesis 6 1 through 4, the sons of God are often interpreted as fallen angels or watchers who took human wives and produced Nephilim, linking their activity to human corruption and possibly to a supernatural phenomena that exists now on Earth. Even in Jude 1, 6 through 7, the reference angels who rebelled and abandoned their heavenly place suggesting a disruption in cosmic order that could be linked to supernatural events now on Earth. 2 Corinthians 1114 talks about this could be connected to the idea of deceptive lights in the sky or a phenomena that might mislead humanity, potentially tied to fallen angels, appearing in forms that intrigue or deceive. And it says, and no marvel for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

That's what it says in 2 Corinthians 1114. And what this talks about is even when a lot of people try to relate to the biblical verses of, hey, you will see signs from the heavens. That doesn't mean that there's angels or God. It means that even in what Matthew says here, it's not necessarily good if you see signs from the heavens. It's like this too. when people are trying to communicate with loved ones and they think they're communicating

with their dead grandma or grandpa or mom or dad or whatever, that in reality, they're communicating with something that is demonic. Yeah. Even in Ephesians 612, for we wrestle not against flesh and blood. And this is very important. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Right.

is that that may refer to basically the skies or the heavens where lights and other aerial phenomena right now are occurring. You think about the lying wonders could, you know, Theologians talks about even him who's coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders. And with all the sieve of bliliness and unrighteousness in them that perish, the lying wonders could be deceptive phenomena attributed to spiritual forces, including lights or other signs in their sky right now. And then even if you go back to Project Blue Book, I mean, sorry, Blue Beam, Project Bluebeam,

where maybe the powers on Earth want to deceive you and to believe in there is an alien invasion to then try to save the human race from these, you know, outer worldly creatures. And this is a very interesting thing. We've talked about Project Blue Beam before. There's so much to talk about here. We can talk forever. But I just want to ask you, do you think it's demonic? that I worship my beagle. Oh, gosh.

Oh, goodness. Because I do worship that puppy. Yeah, she loves the dog. Let me tell you. If I got hit by a car and the beagle hit by a car, she's going to the beagle first. No, I already said that I would save you in faith. It would be very hard, but I would save you guys first. Okay.

Well, thanks. But it would be a very hard decision. But guys, listen, I know oftentimes, I mean, this is an hour and 40-minute episode, and it feels like it's been 20 minutes. and we often try to get to so many things, but oftentimes for those that are new, we get to these things in other episodes, right? So this is kind of a jam-packed episode. It was last minute.

Make sure you do go follow us over on X and tell us what you think this is, right? Is this just nothing more than drones, these simple little drones that nations have created? But then you've got to think about everything we've talked about, all of the various sightings throughout history. You've got to think about all the spiritual aspect of this as well. And why presidents won't tell us the truth. Yeah. Why they don't disclose anything. Yeah. It's very interesting. Tell us what your thoughts are. Go to our ex. Go and communicate with us, tag us, whatever you got to do. Make sure you tell us what you think these things are. And obviously, we will be closely following this. You know, we're anticipably waiting the situation between

Russia and the United States. Is Trump about to force Ukraine into some type of scenario? Ukraine just said today that, hey, we're willing to give up land if we join NATO. So now that's their new thing, which is obviously not good. That's not going to be a good thing. But guys, let us know what you think. We're going to close this with the mayflies in the fading sun, Velvet Head. Listen, we hope you all had an amazing Thanksgiving yesterday.

We love you all so very much. Go follow us over on. next and until next time. Peace out. Peace out, guys.