Is It Just Me? - #137: Sean Szeps is Not Like Other Dads

Episode Date: March 6, 2023

Everyone's favourite DILF, Sean Szeps, is our guest this week! Check him out on Instagram: @seanszeps Pre-order Sean's book 'Not Like Other Dads' here: www.bigw.com.au/product/not-like-other-dads-by-sean-szeps/p/278984   In this episode: What we’ve been up to during Sydney World Pride (03:51) Chittering cats (08:22) Cookie dough is the superior flavour (11:25) Foot air con’s in the car (15:05) Progress Shark (16:49) Birthdays are embarrassing (19:31) Sean Szeps joins us! (23:51) Is pride no longer fun? (28:02) Sean Szeps on his journey to fatherhood (37:17) Our “Secret Segment” ADDebrief (1:01:08)    Hit us up: @coupleofmitches Send us a text: 0422 948 202See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is Is It Just Me? Hosted by a couple of Mitches. Hello you! Hello you! Go! Brace yourself for the rude shocks of young adulthood. I'd rather be dead than be called Gunkle. Oh, that nickname for gay uncle.

Just because I'm gay doesn't mean you need to change the word. Imagine if they were like, God, he's put on weight. Funkles here, you fat uncle! Now, here's Mitch Chudy and Mitchell Coombs. Hello, you. Yeah, g'day. Oh, good to be here, to be honest. Oh, I forgot to say hello, you.

Oh, that's your thing and I did it. I know, hello, you. Hi, you. Do you know what I love? Hello, stranger. Oh, yeah. I hit people with that a lot. Stranger?

Yeah. Someone calls me lovely and I really like it. Certain people can get away with things. Like Laura Byrne from The Bachelor, I host the pick up with her. She calls me honey. By the way, I don't think you need to call her from The Bachelor anymore. I actually forgot that she was on The Bachelor. I know.

I sort of think of the broader stroke that people know her as. Did I tell you, by the way, I was at an event with Sean. Yeah. And we were talking to Maddie J for ages, Laura's husband. They met on The Bachelor. They did. And we were chatting to Matty J for ages and then we left and Sean goes, who was that? And I was like, that was Matty J.

I Googled a picture of him when he was The Bachelor and he goes, oh, my God, he's just such a normal guy in real life. Because you know how on The Bachelor they make them look really, you know, striking. Yeah. Yeah, he's just so chill in real life real life. Because you know how on The Bachelor they make them look really, you know, striking? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's just so chill in real life. Matty J is, you know what, why don't we get Matty J as a co-host? Yeah, we better.

We better. He's actually such a nice guy. He's really funny. I know. Very, very funny. No, he's great. And they're a hot couple. Anyway, Laura Byrne calls me honey all the time.

And she goes, hey, honey, are you okay, honey? Great work today, honey. And I feel warm inside but i could never go hi honey doesn't work no you couldn't i don't think you could get away with hun hey hun patronizing patronizing no but why do some foods get to be like words that you talk to someone about hello nectarine how are you hello honeydew oh that's nice that is actually it has to be a sweet thing. Oh, yeah, true. Like, hello, sugar.

I'm marmalade. Sugar tits. My nan used to... I always talk past tense. She's alive and well. My nan calls people vinegar tits if she doesn't like them. Yeah, that's when you're there, like a sour puss. Oh, it's so good. She's like, oh, we'll go to the...

She'd probably call me vinegar tits, actually. She would. Have you stood on that podcast with vinegar tits? I love that. By the way, speaking of Sean, not my Sean, we have a different Sean coming on as a guest today. We do. Sean Zeps will be here. I'm glad you said his name. It's hard

with a list. Sean Zeps. Oh, I did it. Try again. Sean Zeps. Yeah, because it's S-Z-E-P-S. Very confusing. Zeps. Sean Zeps is a good friend. Sean Zeps. Anyway, Sean Zeps is a content creator. ours. Sean Zeps. Anyway, Sean Zeps is a content creator. He's an author. He's got a new book out.

And he's a dad to two beautiful twins who he had with his husband. I actually adore him. And it's kind of weird because I've met Sean a million times. I was at an event with him last night, for example. Literally last night. I saw Delta Goodrum on her knees on the Crown Plaza stage.

Oh, it was at the Hilton. Oh, the Hilton. She was doing a gig there and it was so small and intimate because it was just a corporate gig. Yeah. And I was like, I could pay hundreds and hundreds of dollars to be up close to Delta, but here I am for free. She's actually really tiny in real life, isn't she?

Yeah, she's petite. She's very, very thin as well. Yeah. No, she had a great time at that gig last night. But yeah, what I was saying was I've run into Sean a million times. He's one of the few people that I see at these events that I'm actually happy to see them. I'm like, oh, thank God Sean Zeps is here. Love him. But I don't actually know that much about him. So I'm quite excited to have him on today.

Sean's skyrocketed to fame. He posts a reel on Instagram, a million views. He's really got that parenting niche down pat and he's a queer dad. So then he gets all that Target demo. He's hilarious. He's so good. Nah, he's a lot of fun. If you've never heard of him, give him a stalk on Instagram or just stick around. He's coming up later in this episode. Kind of perfect for Mardi Gras too. I can't believe Pride Month is almost, well, it's really up, isn't it?

Well, by the time this episode's out, yes. It's done. We had so much fun. You know what I'm doing on Sunday, the day this episode comes out? What? I'm doing the bloody closing march over the Harbour Bridge at 8am. You're marching? I know.

Well, not actually marching. What do you... I didn't know that was a thing. I've always found it weird that people say, oh, are you marching in the Mardi Gras parade? No one marches. We slut drop, really. Very true. How insulting, 10 metres from the Anzac Memorial, to say, we're marching, when real soldiers

did real marching for much bigger issues, anyway. But yeah, no, I'm doing the bridge walk thing at 8am on a Sunday. What are they doing? What do you mean? What's involved with it? You walk from one side to the other. I don't really know. My Sean roped me into it.

I just said, sure, I'll do that. Because weirdly, I didn't actually do much for Mardi Gras. Yeah. I was home by midnight, which is so not like me. Remember that maybe two years ago, I came into this show. We did the Mardi Gras hangover episode and I was still in my outfit. Like I'd had two hours sleep. Yep.

I went hard. But this year I was so boring. It's weird. I know. I was very similar. I was at Frozen Yogurt in Surrey Hills, Yochi Frozen Yogurt at 11.45. Hayden and I were like, do you want to leave this house party and go get Frozen Yogurt? Oh.

Fucking yep. He was blind drunk because I'm not really drinking at the moment. And I'm just sitting there watching all these gays in barely any clothing. It was beautiful. And I was eating my frozen yogurt with mochi. It was great. So you were probably like me where you did thank yourself the next day for not having a big night on Mardi Gras.

But is there also a part of you that has a little bit of FOMO? Because you're like, oh, World Pride's basically over. And I didn't feel like I took advantage of it. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, I think I'm going to go out this weekend just so I can say I did something. Oh, my God. We should talk about the opening ceremony. We were at the opening ceremony.

Ah, yes. Not together, but we both saw Kylie. And, oh, how did you react to Dani coming out on stage? Because Kylie Minogue opened Sydney World Pride. She brought her sister Dani Minogue out in a surprise. Yeah, right at the last minute. You would have shat yourself. Oh, I was like, oh my God, it's Danny!

But even though I was quite far away. And do you know what? Sean's sister, the whole performance, thought it was Miley Cyrus, not Danny Minogue. How? How? It's not the same at all. Because there was rumours that Miley was in Sydney at the time and that she might do a surprise performance.

Completely false. Rumours that Miley was in Sydney at the time and that she might do a surprise performance, completely false. And so when some woman with blondish hair came out, she thought, and we were quite far away, she thought it was Miley the whole time. And it was an amazing moment when Dani came out as a surprise, but I watched it back, like the actual televised performance, and I was like, gee, Dani's trying so hard, isn't she? Oh, was she?

Not a great vocalist. No, no, no. She was singing Kylie's song. Of course, she's not going to be as good as Kylie Minogue in her own song. Dani's trying so hard, isn't she? Oh, was she? Not a great vocalist. No, no, no. She was singing Kylie's song. Of course she's not going to be as good as Kylie Minogue in her own song. The Minogue sisters are like pizza. Always, they're consistent. They're also gorgeous, though.

Oh, love them. In the matching, they looked like gay Luigi brothers. You know how, like, red and green, and they were in the pink and the blue? It was so hot. I loved it. I had so much fun. Anyway, happy Mardi Gras for those that are celebrating. Yes, happy Mardi Gras. And if you're in town, you're listening to this podcast,

I ran into a British idiot that listens to the pod that was here. I mean, God bless them. If you're listening and you're in Australia, welcome. Just in case there's any new listeners, by the way, we don't say idiot to be abusive. Our listeners are called the idiots. Yes. They're our enduring idiots.

That's our Facebook group. Oh, wait. That's like, you know, I was asking at the start, like, what can I say, honey or marmalade? Idiot. That's our thing. The reason I have to clarify is because my friends Oscar and Jordan came home from the Mardi Gras after party and they said, we ran into four idiots last night. And it took me a sec to realize that they meant our listeners.

Yeah. Our listeners rather than, oh, we counted four idiots. We couldn't stand them. Not just four dumb gay men in the library. Well, if it is your first time listening to the show, welcome to Is It Just Me? Every week we start the show the same way, with two Is It Just Me's. We call them idjems. There's something we've noticed, something we hate or appreciate.

Mitch doesn't know mine. I don't know Mitch's. And we just, we throw them around. We have some fun. Do you know what? Speaking of frozen, oh fuck, look who's just turned up. Who is it? Come in. Oh my, Pricekeeper Jenna. Our third wheel Pricekeeper Jenna is here.

Have you finished your bloody cat podcast downstairs? Yeah, I've finished. Turn your mic on. What a conflict of interest. Yeah, sorry about that. Now you're there today. Yeah, we've got a guest coming in. Who's the guest? Falling fifth. I love how she doesn't even know who the guest is.

No. You're really just going blind on this podcast, aren't you? Yeah. I love it. And you're really taking your time to get on the mic like it's an audio medium, Jenna. Is it even on? Yeah, it's on. I've been on since I saw her cat-like eyes at the window.

Jenna's eyes are reflecting. Welcome, Jenna. We're just about to kick off. Hi, Jenna. Hi. So, where were you? I was recording my cat podcast. Two girls, three cats. Yes, Jenna. We're just about to kick off. Hi, Jenna. Hi. So where were you? I was recording my cat podcast. Two Girls, Three Cats.

Yes, yes. We're talking about, Mitchell, you know when cats go, No. Isn't that just what they do? Oh, when they chitter at birds and shit? It's more of a, Well, Connie goes, Okay.

I think Connie might be insane. Anyway, what's the reasoning? They're trying to act like a bird. Yeah, they're literally mimicking bird calls to try and lure the birds into some sort of false sense of security. I'm like, Isabella, they're not going to fall for it. They're not going to look at my cat going... And be like, hi, mum. Regurgitate some food in my mouthpiece.

Like, birds aren't that stupid. Now, also, aren't cats, like, the most evolved animal on the planet? You'd think after millions of years they would have finessed the bird tweet. My girl's pretty good. She's pretty good. Can you record it? I want to hear it on the show. I have recorded it.

Let me find it. Oh, my God. I was going to say that, speaking of frozen yoga, my itcham kind of ties in with that. So I might kick off with that. I'll find the video of Isabella chittering first. Okay, find it. So it's called chittering. Jenna, what is the technical term?

Is it chittering? Well, I found that out after I posted it. I posted saying, is my cat trying to mimic a bird call? And everyone, I somehow ended up on cat talk. Everyone was telling me all about it. Apparently it's a thing. God, you like one fucking video, then you get on that talk. Okay, ready?

Found it. Okay, so this is Isabella. Scroll back really far on my TikTok. God, you like one fucking video, then you get on that talk. Okay, ready? Found it. Okay, so this is Isabella. Scroll back really far on my TikTok. Okay, go. She's literally mimicking their bird calls. See? Oh, yeah. It kind of sounds like, have you ever seen the footage of two turtles fucking?

What's that got to do with anything? But no, I have not. I'm going to get it up now. Oh, God. Can I just do my itching? No, no, it'll take two seconds. It's the same sound as your cat. Is it?

Yes, trust me. It'll be worth the payoff. God, what an episode for Sean Shep's to be on. Isn't it, Zep? Oh, is he on the show? Yes, Jenny. Yeah, you would know if you joined the meeting that Mitch and I had last night. Sorry.

You know when I do that, that sound? Yeah. Connie now looks at me and- Thinks you're a bird. Yeah. You know when I do that, that sound? Yeah. Connie now looks at me and... Thinks you're a bird. Yeah. Oh, my God. Your cat's not all there, is she? Oh, no.

Here we go. Turtles mating. Ready? Oh, my God. Oh, he's finished. Sorry, this is actually connected to my phone. That's what Hayden and I filmed at the party ground bathrooms at the Domain. Sorry. Okay, that's enough. phone. That's what Hayden and I filmed in Mardi Gras bathrooms at the Domain. Sorry.

Okay, that's enough. Wow. I told you, it's funny. It just sounds like someone trotting a dog toy. You know, like the squeaky toy? Yeah. Okay. Oh, I just had the memory.

I went to Questacon with Hayden in Canberra a couple of weeks ago, and we played one of those last weekend. No, when did I? Oh, fuck you. You know those toys that play with thunder and you you like it's like a toilet roll and you turn upside down i go yeah and we have one that went you know when like a baby's vomiting like a toddler's vomiting and they can't control

their sounds or when a bird when a bird's regurgitating its food yes yeah or jenna yeah all right let's start the show Mitch, would you like to go first? Yes, I would. Is it just me or? Is cookie dough just the best flavor ever? Yes. Of anything? I disagree completely.

What do you mean? I hate cookie dough. What? I hate it. Eggy, gummy. It's nothing. No. No. I purposefully avoid it everywhere I go. Well, if I ever

go and get frozen yogurt, you know how you can put the yogurt in the cup and then you can do little add-ons and weigh it at the end? Yeah, of course. The cookie dough chunks to yogurt ratio is way off. I just put a tiny dollop of yogurt and then load up on the fucking cookie dough cubes they've got there. So you're barely

going to get the frozen yogurt? Barely, because I just love cookie dough. It's so good. It's the best flavour. And cookies and cream, apart from milkshakes, we all know my favourite milkshake flavour is lime. Of course. But anything else like ice cream, the cookie dough or cookies and cream, absolutely beautiful.

No. 100% agree. Because the cookie dough is a soft, the whole point of it is it's a soft texture and it's enjoyable. If you add it to ice cream or something cold, frozen yogurt, it bricks up. Oh, well, if you don't like it, then you're not going to like the food I've brought in. Oh, no.

I've got a new favourite snack. I'm obsessed. Oh, my God. Snack alert. Yeah. So I've had to go to the Apple shop a lot recently because my phone's fucked. Yeah. And I had like an hour and a half to kill before the genius bar would see me.

Oh, fuck. I hate that. And so I was like, I might pop into Boost Juice. It's been years since I've gone to Boost Juice. Yes. And they've got these protein balls that are cookies and cream. Holy fuck. They are orgasmic.

And so when the Apple store told me, sorry, we can't fit you in. You'll have to come back tomorrow. I wasn't even mad because I was like, great, I can get another protein ball. And I have to go back to pick up my replacement phone. So I'm getting another one. Okay, so did you bring some in? Yeah, I brought some in for you if you want to try them. Oh, I'd love to try. I was just slamming. Oh, they look you bring some in? Yeah, I brought some in for you if you want to try them. Oh, I'd love to try.

I was just slamming. Oh! Oh, they look amazing. They look like white chocolate or something. Oh, their white chocolate ones are also amazing. I am a slut for Boost Juice protein ball. There's something about the fact that they're protein balls that I'm like, oh, well, they're healthy then.

Hold on, they're really quite soft. Yeah. Okay, so it's quite pale. It's quite white looking. It actually does just look like a ball of cookie dough. Give it a try. Okay, here we go. Are they protein? Yeah, protein balls. Whatever that is. Wow. I could have 400

of these. I'd feel very ill, but... Oh, yeah. That's delicious. Isn't it? I love it so much. I feel like they've literally just rolled up cookie dough. I don't know why they've called it cookies and cream flavour because it's clearly cookie dough. So are you getting a juice with this or is it just

the Boost Ball? Yeah, I'll get a pure Eden to go with it. Oh, I'm more of a banana bars boy. It's the same shopping centre that we used to go on our lunch breaks, Jenna. Oh, really? Yep. Remember how we go to Schnitz almost every day? Yes. And I'd get a Schnitz wrap and then I wondered why I was putting on weight. Because I'm one

of those people that's like, oh, if it's a wrap, it must be healthy. Yeah, schnitz wraps, they're very fattening. I thought they were healthy. Same as me. I'd eat the Macca's wrap and then I saw one TikTok that was like, the Macca's wrap is too Big Macs from McDonald's. Oh, fuck that. Are you serious?

Yeah, I think they toss their salad in sugar water. Oh, that wouldn't surprise me. That is delicious. Told you. Oh my God, it's giving me like a new lease on life. I think I'm back in my boosters here right now. I'm going back. Are you getting paid for this fucking shit?

No. I'm feeling charitable today. I'm just giving him a shout out for free. I'm not even being paid to influence you. Jenna and I are giving these rave reviews, and Mitch is probably getting $10,000 deposited into his bank account. I'm actually not. To talk about balls.

I love these fucking cookies and cream protein balls. Also, do you remember the KFC cookies and cream crushes? Mm-hmm. Oh, beautiful. They're really nice. They need to bring the crushes back. What happened to that? They got rid of the crushes,

but some have the crushes signage still, and you drive up and they're like, no, I haven't had crushes, mate, since Julie Gillard was in power. And you go, oh, right. It has been a while, hasn't it? All right, we ready for my agent? Sure, hit me. Let's do it. Goliath was in power. You go, oh, right. It has been a while, hasn't it? All right. We ready for my agent? Sure.

Hit me. Let's do it. Is it just me? Do you feel that the foot air con functioning cars gets a bad rap? Who's giving it a bad rap? No one uses it. Do you use it? If I'm transporting like food or ingredients, I'll whack it on and put the stuff on the floor.

That's genius. Add that to the list, guys. Had you never thought of that? No! I hold it at my tit breast level at the same height as the front-facing air con. If I've got a trifle on Christmas Day that I need to keep cold so the jelly doesn't melt, I hold it. I get Hayden to hold it in front of the air con.

I'm an idiot! I did it on the way here because I got you all coffee. I got you all iced coffee. So I whacked them on the floor and then put the floor aircon on. I'm an idiot. We're moving at the moment and Hayden and I put boxes in the back of the car and they came all the way to the front, through the boot, right through the middle seats, and they knocked the aircon

and bumped it onto the foot mode. And I'm sitting there driving and I'm going, I've got full 360 coolness, where normally I'm quite cool from the navel up. And so much so that I get a bit frosty around the extremities. My fingers get cold and my eyebrows and the tip of my nose. But I was absolutely bleached out. And I went, what has changed? And the foot mode.

Just by accident. Just by accident. And you know what it does? It actually makes the front mode a bit more subtle. Because if it's just on the fucking front. It's dividing up where the air goes. Jen makes the front mode a bit more subtle. Yeah, it does. Because if it's just on the fucking front. It's dividing up where the air goes. Oh, Jenna, I mean, you don't drive.

You don't understand. But a car is an item that transports you. Yeah, but as a passenger, I know. Oh, and would you turn on foot mode? Well, I don't have control over. Did you have foot mode in your horse-drawn carts back in the day? Unfortunately, no. No.

No. Wouldn't have thought so. She had hoof mode. Oh, God. You're no. Wouldn't have thought so. She had hoof mode. Oh, God. You're listening to Is It Just Me? Got something on your mind? Hit up at coupleofmitches on Instagram to get yourself on the show. Yes, it is time for an Is It Just You?

Mitch and I have had our say. Now it's time for you to get on the show. You can DM us at coupleofmitches or, Mitch, you can send us a text. Oh, I reckon I've learnt the number off by heart now. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0412 712 092. Let me just check. Yes, I got it right.

He's done it. That is the number. That's our text line. And also, if you're going to send us a text, pop your name in there too. Yeah, for God's sake. I don't know who these texts are from. I've got to get that SIM card off you too. Yeah, yeah.

We're having tech troubles. Come on, call Crazy John. Remember when he died? Who? Crazy John. I don't know who you're talking about, sorry. Remember there was like Telstra 3 Optus and then Crazy John? Yeah, and there were phone stores.

Yes, it was a network. It was Crazy John. Oh. And the logo was like, Nokia 1410, that price a network. It was Crazy John. And the logo was like Nokia 1410. That price? Crazy! At Crazy John's! I think I got my first ever phone there. I did too. And then he died. I didn't know he died.

But the brand or the actual person? Crazy John. That was his Christian name, wasn't it? I'm going to call him Crazy. He passed away. Anyway, so rest in peace, Crazy John. And hello, Mel. Welcome to the show.

She's in Sydney. Hello. Hi, Barb. Did you get up too much for Mardi Gras? I actually, do you know what? Homophobic as me, but I had family staying, so I was unable to go out and celebrate. Honestly, there's so many international visitors

and it's super busy this year, so I'm just like, I'll let them have it. I'm not going to compete in the queues and the crowds. It's their year, not mine. I'm with you. I'll sit at home and put my feet up though. Yeah. I did go and see Progress Shark though. Did you see Progress Shark? I see that all the time, yeah. You drive past it, yeah, Progress Shark. The Megalodon,

it's out the front of a museum in Sydney and they put a pride flag on it for one night and then it went viral. Because I don't even know why it's funny. If you don't know what Progress Shark is, they've now got an Instagram account. Do they just Photoshop this shark with a rainbow on it everywhere? No, they do. But also, during Kylie, there was a drone.

You know how the new thing is to do drones? The drone show. They had a drone show and it formed Progress Shark. I can't believe how much of a meme this Progress Shark has become. You have to go look at their Instagram, progress.shark. I've just found it. Yeah. Imagine being an international traveller, being like,

let me really immerse myself in Australian culture, and there's a great white shark with a pride flag made of drones above you. Imagine the meeting at the museum being like, what can we do to show that we support the gays? Ah, just whack a rainbow fucking flag on that shark out the front. Oh, good call. All right. Are you ready for your Is It Just You, Mel?

Jump in. I am so ready. I can't wait to hear it, Del. Jump in, Bradley. Is it just me or? A birthday's really fucking embarrassing. Yes. I tend to dread my birthday.

I just feel like, also, can I just say, this is not birthday specific, but the morning of my birthday, walking to work, stepped in dog shit. Oh, dear. Wait, when was your birthday? My birthday was last Monday, so this is why it's fresh trauma. Happy birthday. I know what you mean. When something happens on your birthday, it's like, of all days, it's my day.

It's my day. All right. But I kind of agree with you. As I get older, they get a bit cringier. They do. And it's like, I work in an office full of girls, obviously. They like to squeal. So you walk in first thing in the morning, people are squealing at you.

And I'm like, it's not even 9am. I don't need this. Oh, that's not embarrassing. At least they remembered, Mel. Yeah, take that. True. But then you're having a conversation with someone in the kitchen, right? They don't know it's your birthday.

Someone else says happy birthday to you. Then it's embarrassing for the other person. Oh, it's not that embarrassing. It's just an embarrassing thing all around. I think because I'm old now, I'm not thriving. I'm not thriving on my birthday. No, no, no. You need to take this into your own hands and celebrate it.

I live for the drama. I live for the attention. I know I shouldn't ask a lady their age, but how old are you? I'm 31. 31. Okay. So you're at the point where you're just like, whatever, it's just another day. Yeah.

It's just another day for me. Don't on me on days that I'm not embarrassed by. Yeah, true. You know what I can't get around? Birthday sex. Because your birthday is so exhausting. I want pre-birthday or post-birthday sex. I don't want sex on my birthday.

I want to open my presents. I want to relax. I want to eat cake. I want to eat dinner. I want to stay up late. It's a nice little gift to know that I'm getting it tomorrow. Extend the birthday. Yes, I agree.

I agree. What do you, Mitch? Are you and Sean fucking every day still one of those new couples? No, I've never had birthday sex. You're kidding me. Yeah, no, I haven't. It's because I'd only been seeing Sean for not even a month at that point. It was a bit too soon to be spending my actual birthday with him.

True. Although your last birthday, that was a rough day considering everything that happened here. Yeah, no, it wasn't great. It wasn't embarrassing for me, Mel, let me tell you. More mortifying. But we don't touch on that. Well, Mel, I'm with you on that. I will say, though, because you're an OnlyFans creator, right?

Me? Yeah. What? No. But on your profile there's a chilli and then a link next to it. That means click this link for the hot content, right? Oh, no, babe. Is there a link?

Have I been hacked? If you go to your profile, it goes Mel with a chili, which is the emoji underground language for I'm an OnlyFans creator. Is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. How do you know that? Because I follow a couple of OnlyFans. Oh, I didn't know that.

I didn't know that. Are you telling me you believe that and I could be making some cash? Look at Mel's profile. Is that your boyfriend, the one that looks like Simba if he was a human? Yes. Would you not watch Mel and Simba fuck? Look at them. All right.

Well, that's, I mean, food for thought. Oh, no, you don't have to agree. I mean, no offence, I wouldn't sign up to watch your OnlyFans, but I'm looking at you. You're a gorgeous couple. So, yeah, there's potential there. But, you know, we're obviously not pressuring you into starting an OnlyFans. Have I gotten it wrong?

I thought the chili meant that you were an OnlyFans creator. I've never heard that. No. I've never heard that. I haven't heard that either, but now I'm triggered and I feel like I need to change up my emoji. No, keep it. Keep it. I just assumed and I've got four pages of questions about what it's like to be an OnlyFans

creator. I've prepped for the wrong interview. Why did I sign up and I can come back on and tell you? Yeah, good call. Anyway, Mel, don't be embarrassed about your birthday. This isn't shade at Mitch and Jenna, but I think it's actually sweet if people are going to an effort and they've actually remembered.

I think it's nice. It's better than the alternative where no one embarrasses you, which means they don't give you any attention on your big day. I think it's nice. That's true. That's true. Thanks, Truke. I appreciate that.

Yeah. Now you deserve to be dated on and spoiled. I agree. Happy think it's nice. That's true. That's true. Thanks, Truc. I appreciate that. Yeah. Now, you deserve to be dated on and spoiled. I agree. Happy birthday for last Monday. Yes, happy birthday. Thank you very much, guys. No worries. Now, don't forget to hit up Price Keeper Jenna on our Instagram at couple of mitches.

She'll send you a little prize for coming on. Yes. Amazing. Thank you so much, guys. No worries. We love you. What a cutie. Yeah, gorgeous.

All right. I just got the notification. He's in the building. Oh, our guest? Yeah. Oh, we've timed that beautifully. All right. Pause. We're you. What a cutie. Yeah, gorgeous. All right, I just got the notification. He's in the building. Oh, our guest? Yeah. Oh, we've timed that beautifully. All right, pause. We're going to bring Sean in.

Okay, you may follow our next guest on social media at Sean Zeps. You may have seen their reels accumulating millions of views. World domination is in sight for Sean Zeps. He's here now in the studio. Hello, Sean. Hello. Welcome, darling. Would you like a cookies and cream protein ball?

They're my new favourite snack. I bought a few in today. Yes. Yes, I do. I'm not even being paid for this. I just love them. Sean, he's being paid. No, I'm not.

I'm actually not. Oh, I think he is. I'm wearing workout gear right now, so I feel like a protein ball totally aligns with this. Yeah. It's a bit of a sass here. I agree. Eat the protein ball. What do you think?

I actually really like it. Yeah, right? Aren't they fucking stunning. It's a good assessment. I agree. Eat the protein ball. What do you think? I actually really like it. Yeah, right? Aren't they fucking stunning? It's really good. Tell me about your book. Your book's coming out. Not Like Other Dads, June 7th. That's your first book.

First time I'm talking about it. Oh, good. Exclusive. Exclusive. Fuck, we didn't break embargo or anything, did we? You're not going to get in trouble. No, you're good. You're good.

I saw the cover. Cover reveal, everyone, on Sean's Instagram. Beautiful. Thank you. It's really very nice. Thank you. I was really, really excited. I've been holding it in for a long time.

We announced it yesterday. When is the show coming out? We announced it a couple of days ago. Yeah, it's called Not Like Other Dads. It's a memoir. They approached me about a year and a half ago and said, hey, no gay parent has written a story of the journey from start to finish in this country. Would you like to be that person before someone else does it?

Yeah. My ego said yes. Of course. And so I did it. Now, I'm going to ask you this now because I always forget to ask our guests this sometimes. I'm going to get it out of the way first thing. We have a list of things better than drugs and dick

that we ask all of our guests to contribute to because we just don't want any young listeners of ours getting caught up in partying and boys and, you know, that's not the be all and end all of life. It's okay. You can. If you're doing it, go for gold. But there are things. Not to excess.

No. Yes. Very well said. Thank you. A little thing in life that you appreciate. Reece Nicholson said weighted anxiety blankets and a skincare routine. Tony Lodge said really good melted cheese. Yeah.

That can be in excess as well. Hannah Condor said The Wizard of Oz is better than Drugs and Dick. That's her favourite movie. Interesting. Very cool. For a drag queen, that seems perfect. Yeah, it does. I have three because I can't decide.

All right, that's fine. No one's ever done that. Driving over the Brooklyn Bridge heading into Manhattan always feels like a movie moment. I always get chills. I always get emotional. I did live there for a decade, so I think it's heightened. But just the first time I thought, every major movie,

all the songs, all the love. Like, this is, I'm a part of this. And every time it happens, no matter how many years have passed, I'm like, this is, must be what heaven feels like. Yeah. Okay, I know it's not quite the same, but I do get a little pinch myself whenever I'm driving over the Harbour Bridge. I'm like, oh, look at the little farm boy.

Here I am. Yeah. No, I get heart palpitations. There's that one line on the Harbour Bridge if you're going north and there's no medium strip in the middle. It's unacceptable. Yeah, you could easily clip your mirrors with the oncoming traffic. Head on.

You're rolling the dice. Every time you get told as well, you're paying to die. It is the scariest road in Australia. So so not the same right well that's number one what's number two you've got three my secret single behavior anyone know what that is like sex in the city did you ever watch sex in the city no actually carrie bradshaw has this thing called like her secret single behavior which is the thing you do maybe after you get out of relationships or when you're single that you just do when you're by yourself and you're alone and it's your one thing that no one really knows about well now that i'm married i can just say that mine was getting home stripping down to my underwear yeah we're gonna skip the

drug part because you said no there's better than drugs right yeah yeah and watching reruns of sex in the city in my underwear while ordering chinese food and eating chinese food so it's the chinese food in my underwear while watching sex in the city And I will do it for four or five hours. Oh, bliss. Oh, it's so good. Bliss. And I know that the third one is technically in the dick category. But rimming.

Okay. Moving on. No, that's not dick. That's not. I thought so, right? Yeah, you're right. On a technicality, that's not drugs. Other side.

Yeah. Do you want to talk about my kids now? You've bought an Is It Just Me of your own, haven't you? I'm worried about this. Why are you worried? I think it could cause some drama, specifically in the communities in which we weighed. Oh. I'm excited. Okay.

But I've been thinking a lot about it. Finish the sentence. Bradley will take you in. Is it just me or is pride no longer fun we were talking about this just before okay we were kind of like we didn't really get amongst it this year because partly i'm like you've been to one you've been to them all um but also there were so many visitors that i was like i'll just let them have this year i can't be bothered competing with the crowds and everything. It's their year, not mine. So I didn't really get amongst it this year. We were both in bed by midnight. It was so overwhelming

more than anything. What was your experience? What's your hot take? I think if you take the entire month and on average you communicate with as many queer humans and allies as possible about their overall experience, my inference is it's like no longer actually about what pride is meant for like we're not connecting with each other fighting the good fight celebrating how far we've come it's become how many parties can you go to how many brand deals can you get and when you're at those actual parties or working an event, I constantly walk away and go, what happened at that party? And this is coming from someone who works like you in this content creation space,

right? I make a living off of partnering with brands. But when you leave these events and you go, we ate really good food and drank really good alcohol, but what was it for? There are great brands. Mitch and I were at a party party last night raising money for minus 18 to help young people so they can go to uh queer formals that's great yeah you walk away and you know what that was for yeah that is actually making the world a better place year round but a lot of them are just let's get drunk yeah a lot of them feel like just the brand or the venue or whatever it may be just going see we love gays we threw a party for you you get what you get don't complain and when i like five or six years ago, when I went for the first time, the overall experience

after, you know, the time was over was I connected with other queer people. I felt safe in environments. I was surrounded by people like me. And now I get the overall sense that it really is about how many can you go to? Are you seen? Are you wearing the right outfits? Did you get the Instagram post? Yeah.

And that feels disappointing i was like this year didn't feel amazing to be honest i'm a bit worried that you're gonna start bailing on events because you're taking a stand because i was saying just before you arrived i was like oh he's one of the few people that i'm actually happy to see when i go to a oh you're saying how good you are yeah and my sean who yeah exact same spelling as your name and everything we're saying the same he goes oh he's one of my favorites we always get along sean and i yeah isn't he cute we have a podcast called the two sean sean's couple of times there we go thank you that's funny i do think for so long queers wanted an opportunity we wanted a seat at the table we

wanted the parties thrown for us we were sick of like being ostracized then we get the opportunities and now here i am intellectual queer coming in and like critiquing it overall. At the end of the day, I'm going to get my coin. Yeah. Like you as a content creator, as an adult, we have an opportunity to make a decision for ourselves. So what do we do? The problem is, what do we do? Because it's so hard as well.

Because then if we come out or if the hits hear this, they'll go, well, look, we look what we've given them. Look what they've got. How do you win? Yeah, got. How do you win? Yeah, exactly. How do you win? It's tough. I honestly ask myself that a lot. But over the course of the last couple of days, I've been thinking about it more.

I think every person next year should say, what do I want to feel at the end of this? Do I want to feel more connected to queer people? Do I want to go out with my friends and experience the euphoria of feeling safe on a dance floor? Do I want my straight friends to experience what it's like to be queer? Do I want my family? Like ask yourself that before and then chase that. Because everything I just said is what I wanted. And now it's over or almost over. You didn't get any of those, babe. You made money. You got to show a lot of people from content who might not know about your family what queer families are like but i didn't dance on the dance floor with my friends

i didn't bring my family or allies out and let them experience it because you had to get home to the bloody kids i mean exactly you got shit to do you got ads to create so i just think if we all did that then you can still do the ads you can still go to the branded parties as long as you're balancing it out because i just feel that a majority of my friends you included are leaving going oh it's over we can do yeah just a little shoulder drop that was hard that was intense i i agree mark the most rewarding pride i ever had was when i we did you and i both worked at kiss and we did the parade oh yeah on yeah. We were on the Kiss float. Yeah, that was gorgeous.

And I got like a plus one and they can walk in the parade. And you go, shit, who am I going to ask? And my little baby sister was like four years under me, had never been to Pride, never been to a Mardi Gras. And the whole concept was new to her. I'm probably one of three gay people she knows. We love each other sick. And she walked in the parade with me.

And to this day, it is one of the highlights of her life, being in Pride, seeing me being comfortable being celebrated like she talks about it to this day that's what it's all about and that is what that's my favorite pride memory of all time you're so right i want to take my mum one year i reckon oh she can imagine how much jane would be in her element my mum would love it why don't we do our mums next oh my god if they're supportive parents float michelle and jane oh my god yes is there actually supportive parents float? Michelle and Jane. Oh my god. Is there actually? Fuck yes. I think there always is, right Pat? What's it called? Parents. Yeah, yeah. Let's make it happen. Michelle would love it. Mum would die. Oh yeah. And we'll take them next year when it's less busy. We don't want to overwhelm them.

Yeah, it was a lot. It was nice having it back on Oxford Street. And it was what, the 50th year anniversary? We had a lot of wins. 50 year anniversary of Pride. We had the first sitting Prime Minister. Can we talk about that? Oh, yeah. Holy shit, that felt good to watch and to hear him say, this is my 35th year walking in it. His outfit, embarrassing. Shocking.

I know. Come on, step it up. I wanted to see that democracy sausage in full fucking swing. I mean, come on. I wanted to see it right out of the front. He's like a pest. I wanted to see it. I would vote for that.

Did you see that he responded to the fact that he was dressed completely plain? He didn't, you know, get all camp for Mardi Gras. His response was, oh, I think that Mardi Gras is about celebrating exactly who you are and I'm just a daggy bloke from Marrickville and I dressed as one. Yes, that's what he said. I mean, I roll, but also there are a lot of gays at home are like, oh, that's how I dress. Yeah, 100%. eye roll but also yeah there are a lot of gays at home are like that's how i dress yeah 100 my i love that there was criticism of like it's so performative and he was like i've been for 35

years 35 there is evidence it's not like you know what i'm probably going to be pm one day let's start going in the last five years 35 years how many presidents and prime ministers in any country at all maybe bernie sanders and he like, he was marching with Martin Luther King. Other than that, I cannot think of another example of someone who's fighting a good fight and all the way back in the day actually believed in that fight.

I know. It wasn't cool 35 years ago to be supporting our asses. No. No. No way. What I was thinking, and I don't know if you guys have friends like this,

but there are a chunk of our community who are not club kids, who don't like the glitter, who don't have like insane fashion sense. Yeah. None of that is for them. And pride alienates that group of gays. It's interesting that you bring that up because one of the guys that I work with, I asked him what he was doing for Mardi Gras. And he said that he's not a fan of dressing up, of going out. He'd rather stay in.

So he felt a bit alienated from it. And it was a different perspective. I'd never really heard it from that. It's not talked about. My husband has talked about this publicly when he was a kid and he turned on TV and watched the Pride Parade on ABC. Before he came out, he thought, that's gay. Yeah. That's what I have to be.

That's what it's going to look like. And so he thought, I guess there's not going to be a spot for me that's not for me and i think the club space it's for a certain type of queer person oh yeah but if you're not that turning on tv i don't know i saw the prime minister i thought maybe there's a couple people going actually there is a spot for me you know i can just wear my button down i'm never not going to wear a button down and I could be accepted there. I'd like to see that featured more. Speaking of non-clubbing, guys, you know that chick on TikTok? Her name's Di. Her handle is like not an euphemism or something.

You know this chick? Di, show me her face. 53-year-old lesbian. Oh, yep. Oh, yes, yes, yes. You'd know if you see her face. She put a message in this group chat we had from last year's TikTok float. And it said, hi, yes. You'd know if you see her face. She put a message in this group chat we have from last year's TikTok float and it said, hi, everyone.

Just to let you know, I started a group called Sydney Quiet Queers. Oh, I love that. For those of us whose drug of choice is tea, let me know if you'd like more details. And I'm like, that sounds gorgeous. I love that. There's a Facebook group called Sydney Quiet Queers. Just a bit of shush and a cup of tea in the park, book clubs and stuff,

all that. Amazing. That's fantastic. There's 785 members in Sydney Quiet Queers. Just a bit of shush and a cup of tea in the park, book clubs and stuff, all that. Amazing. That's fantastic. There's 785 members in Sydney Quiet Queers. I just looked it up. I think it might blow up after this. Yeah. Sounds like it's going to be a quiet pact, actually, this Quiet Queers meetup.

It's going to be fucking rowdy. I'd go. Well, I mean, I can feel like I can relate to you a little, Sean, because your partner, Josh, he's in media, right? And you have, I mean, I don't know, how would you describe it? Do you have different outlooks on your queerness? Yeah, I mean, you can speak to that, right? And you have, I mean, I don't know, how would you describe it? Do you have different outlooks on your queerness? Or, yeah, I mean, you can speak to that, right? A hundred percent.

I get off on a label. I feel like my whole life I was searching for who I was. And so when I found gay, I was like, that's me. I want that. I felt like I was a part of a community. Josh doesn't even believe in them. Doesn't have one. You can't give them one.

There's no box that's going to, that. Not having a label makes him feel euphoric. Having one makes me feel euphoric. I'm sure there's one box that's gonna that not having a label makes him feel euphoric having one makes me feel euphoric I'm sure there's one box that he doesn't like to be put in I was just just quietly I mean if you know

if you're into rimming you'd really hope he was too is it just me? you can follow the show online just search couple of mitches if you don't

you're a dickhead. Sean Zeps is here, everyone. You can get him on Instagram at Sean Zeps. His reels, they're fantastic. And you've really narrowed down your target market. I mean, your Insta bio, I noticed, is what you've changed it to. The DILF? The DILF.

Yeah, the DILF. Dad I Like to Follow. It's all about parenting now. Truly. And I mean, you've obviously identified that because you've got two kids. And you're like, fuck it, I'm going to lean in. I get a lot of messages from women saying, I would never follow. It's all about parenting now. Truly. And I mean, you've obviously identified that because you've got two kids and you're like, fuck it, I'm going to lean in. I get a lot of messages from women saying, I would never follow a father. Like, it doesn't make sense to my life, but you're the dad I would follow.

And I was like, oh, there's something clever here. That's funny. Good call, actually. This is going to sound a bit weird because by no stretch did you have kids for the content, but God, it must make your life easy. You'd be able to reap so much content out of having kids. Oh, it's so true. They're not in the content anymore. I think you'll notice that. They're very rarely featured because they stopped wanting to be and you got to respect that. Hello, consent. Now, let's talk about

how the babies happened because it was a surrogacy journey and I think I definitely want kids. Is this something that you're wanting to pick his brain about because it's kind of something you're thinking about? Yeah, I really, really, really want kids. Really? Really. Oh, that's great. I truly don't think it'll happen in the next 10 years.

I think it will be in the next 10 years, but I want a good 10 years of career and life. Yeah. I'm not saying I don't want kids, but it's not really on my radar yet. But I'm very curious to hear about the story. Yeah. I mean, I don't want you to give away too much. It's all in the book, right? Yeah. Not like other dads. Yeah. That's cool. Thank you for that plug here's the ten dollars i promise but you guys really are content creators the boost juice mention the book plugs

available at big w yes fuck your mail like what's in the book quickly tell me about what you can get the book i think what will excite people most is i do my entire life from start to finish so kind of childhood growing up in a religious church growing up in that environment coming out of the closet meeting my husband in new york city the entire surrogacy journey that whole process then moving to australia and the transition to becoming a parent in a country that you're not from yeah it's definitely like traumatic traumatic lows and very euphoric highs the whole story and. And it's very, very, very gay. I love that.

Very us. Tell us about the surrogacy journey from the start. Because we have a lot of young queer listeners. Good. And I just think this is so interesting. Because you don't hear about it in this country, right? Because surrogacy is legal? Yeah, you can do it.

It is legal. You just can't do it for compensation. Which means you have to, on your own, find someone who's willing can do it. It is legal. You just can't do it for compensation, which means you have to, on your own, find someone who's willing to do it. Surrogacy Australia is a company that does exist and can help you find women. In this country, 50% gay men, and of those 50%, a large chunk are just finding a friend.

But yeah, compensation will get you in jail for three years in Queensland, two years in New South Wales, and one year in the ACT. Oh my God, I have no idea. And is the reason that commercial surrogacy is illegal, is the reason because it could become a bit icky? People might start opening agencies and then people who are desperate for money might harm

their body, etc. Is it just stuff like that? Yeah. I mean, to be honest, the only country where it was legal at the time was the States. But there's also a really interesting like womb law. That's like a carrier law around people potentially abusing that. So forcing women to do it. Women raising their hand and saying, I would like to do this and I deserve compensation because I have to step away from work.

New clothes, the food, the transportation to and from the hospital, all of that. I felt just for the risk she was putting to her body, she deserved money. But yeah, that's why it's illegal here. I'd almost feel bad for not paying. But then it's also like, oh, sorry, babes, it's illegal. I can't pay you. Oh, no. Guess I'm saving money in that way.

So do you mind me asking, because you've got two beautiful twins and you chose that, right? You chose the twins. I think we've discussed it. I mean, we've been friends for a while. We've discussed how it actually happened. But you chose to right you chose the twins i think we've discussed it i mean we've been friends for a while we've discussed how it actually happened but you chose to have two that's right so when you're doing the ivf or surrogacy process you have an option quite early on um to test the embryos for genetic disorders basically and through that process you get a little output document of all the embryos that have you know in an order and you

get to decide like which one do you want to put in wow oh crazy at the time the data was if you put two in you had a 90 chance of having one and we just wanted children and sit down if you're worried about money but it's 250 000 australian to share the process so did all this happen wow in the states all of it happened okay and sorry so Okay, you went through the process there. And sorry, so this was for the two, same price, or did you double that? It's a little bit more, so it'd be probably less. It'd probably be around 200. But when you're thinking about how much it's going to cost, the emotional toll, the potential of it not happening, increasing the likelihood of having the success one time and not having to go back, we thought, we'll put two in. If we get one, amazing. And if we have two, we'll see how that goes.

Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. And so do you pick the carrier or do you pick the surrogate? Yeah, did you know the surrogate? We didn't know her ahead of time. So there is an agency, there's a lot of agencies in the States that will help you go through this process. We found one in Boston called Circle Surrogacy. And what they do is they basically work with women. They they do psychological assessment make sure that they're in it for the

right reason they have to have a job they have to make more than 110 000 as a family so that these people aren't just doing it to make whole hard cash they have to be done with their families they have to have had a successful birth without c-section so there's a lot of criteria okay for these women to come and do it and our surrogate this amazing woman had had three kids already and just really loved being pregnant and she specifically loved the idea of finding a gay family she said it in her notes we live in a part of the country where there aren't a lot of diversity how cool would it be for our kids to have this extended family wow so beautiful so did you actually get to meet her at any point yeah okay so they make you uh

communicate every single week but obviously we spoke almost every single day um we had her fly out for appointments josh would go went flew out to an appointment and since the birth they've come to australia we've had holidays and christmas with them it's there we really think of them as a special aunt and uncle the kids have a relationship with her in the family that was always always always always always the goal that they knew every single person involved so that there weren't huge question marks attached to their life and they go to therapy when they're 28 and they're like i feel like something's missing yes no they're gonna know these people this selfless woman and her whole family just wanted to help they wanted to bring these people into the world and there's so much love around them so when it came to like the embryos the ivf stuff are they actually her eggs they're not yeah good

question biologically her children no so there are two types of surrogacy and in this country it's a pretty low percentage and in america it's similar the number of women who carry a child for a family whose eggs it is is small okay almost every case an ivf clinic is used and the family can either take a donation from a family member if they want or a really good friend oftentimes friends i'm sure it's said to you like a drunken at night like i would love to donate or carry a baby for you wouldn't you but no no i'm waiting for the day jenna offers after this call things are gonna change jenna you're carrying my baby. Whether you like it or not, you'll have to.

You'd be a great surrogate. This is why the laws exist. We don't need to fuck around with IVF, Jenna. I'll get you pregnant. There we go. Jenna, you've been tipsy. You've fucking grabbed my crotch

more times than I can carry, so you love it. It was only twice. Yeah, well. Not enough. Anyway, yes, sorry, Sean. Or you can use an IVF clinic and they will find egg donors.

For us, we're really lucky that a family member offered to donate her eggs. Oh. So whose was it? Are you happy to say? I'm not happy to say. No, no, no. That is stuff. Well, whoever it is, gorgeous eggs. The kids turned out beautiful. Look at them. So cute. Well, wait till the kids are older. That's really their story, their own personal stuff.

That's cool. So you get the egg and then you obviously, how do you decide who gives the sperm? How does that happen? Well, it was a family member of mine. Got it. So me donating sperm would be really, really bad. Very unfortunate. What a waste of money. Illegal, bad.

So that was easy for us. So the kids are both of your genetics? That's right. Wow. Which is why i think everyone's like they look so much like you yeah i'm like it's like yeah yeah so they are your kids that that is i mean it's beautiful doesn't this warm your heart i love this it's so cool people don't know that these options exist no there aren't that many stories like ours like i think at the time there probably only were a couple hundred in the world who had

put all of those pieces together who had had the donation and found the surrogate and it all works out the first way and so i yeah is there any point where you thought fuck me a lot of hopes to jump through can't be bothered or did you really really really really want a family so no question i'll be honest with you like my entire life story is wrapped up and feeling like if being gay was going to stop me from being a dad then i definitely didn't want to be alive okay parenthood has always been i've been chasing motherhood specifically that specific ideal of stay at home and helping to raise kids and so i think all the trauma of being a young religious kid thinking if i can't have that then what's the point so when it when the world changed and it

became an option i just was gonna run and chase it didn't matter to me how much money it cost it didn't matter to me how hard it was going to be i wanted to be a parent but it did not matter to me that it was surrogacy like it did not matter it was the fact that the offer was given that beautiful donation when it was in my hand like when that beautiful offer existed i was like i'm gonna i'll try i'll chase this but up until that offer we were just going down the adoption path less expensive easier process long long way and a beautiful gift to society and so if you're listening i mean that option is an amazing option wow i feel like adoption would be a lot of hoops as well so you reckon that's easier though well i mean easier in the sense that i guess

less invasive physically true the the timelines on adoption can be insane like the wait lists are years and years and years but i do know financially it is a more inexpensive process wow what what were their um issues along the way i mean this story's beautiful and it sounds like oh it all happened in a week but i'm sure it was a long grueling tough process on your relationship as well yeah i would say that's probably the worst part is just that right the relationship drama that comes with it to have to take out massive loans to be able to afford it to have the privilege to be able to do that uh the family problems like you're bringing humans in your family into your intimate relationship which obviously is going to extend through generations and so there's a lot of psychological work that

needs to be done a lot of therapy to make sure you're doing it for the right reasons we are one of the lucky few who like the eggs combined with the sperm made the embryos all the embryos survived we did our first implementation and both took and the pregnancy happened naturally like in its own not naturally but happened in its perfect timeline so as far as that's concerned we lucked out wow do they grill you as well because you said that the surrogates obviously you know they have to make sure that they've got all these criteria that they tick off you know they're done with their family whatever whatever do they grill you as well or are they just kind of like yeah no we'll take you spoof make some babies no worries oh intense so they actually don't just do it to the

surrogate they do it to her husband as well oh it's every single person involved needs to be in a emotionally the right state of mind and doing it for the right reason so a psychologist what would they ever say no to what would they say no you're not in the right state of mind i think for us as gay people i guess it's like um i don't know doing it for content yes right you know because i'm supposed to they ask you like are you being coerced to do this like is someone making you is your relationship in a bad place and you're trying to have a child to sit you know how people do that sometimes like a relationship isn't working but if we had a kid everything will be better so they're trying to like pick apart all of that and it's like no no they really want to really want to have kids. They're doing it for the right reasons.

And yeah, we all got the little chick, chick, chick, chick, chick. Also great blackmail for the kids. Like, if you only knew how much you fucking got that night! I mean, seriously. We wanted the shit out of you. Dad wanted a brand new Porsche, but instead we got you. Or just confuse them and say, nah, you're an accident. I will.

A very elaborate accident. That's brilliant. That's really good. You know, the, you're an accident. I will. A very elaborate accident. That's brilliant. That's really good. You know, the refund policy is still intact. Don't you think, I'm just going to insert this in here, that straight people should have to go through that many hoops? Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Like you mentioned the whole, oh, the baby trap or whatever, where they're like, oh, if we get pregnant, then he can't leave me.

It's like, oh my God. Imagine if they had to go through that process at your first ultrasound. Like now, do you really bloody want this or are you just being a bitch about it? I also feel for the woman. They get bad sex and it's done like that. That's it. They get one bad root and then they get – No, very true.

Very true. God, that's so cool. And so the book is – what's in the book? Is it that journey? Is it that story? Yeah, like all the details that I've never shared publicly about every intimate – like the drive there, the actual birthing process, the drama of getting over to Australia,

the struggles I had when I moved here. I expected the country to be a lot more accepting than it was. And so I talk about- In what sense? About gay parenthood? Yeah, like people, specifically in Sydney, I just thought of this as like a gay mecca. But when you're in America, you know of Sydney and Mardi Gras, you hear about it, right?

And so I just thought everyone would have probably met a bunch of gay parents. And it just hasn't been the case. You know, when I'm at the playground, when I'm at school drop off, I'm still the only one. Yeah. And the conversations that I had when I moved here, really uncomfortable ones. I write about all of that. So I think if you are a parent or want to be one, it's a really interesting read because it's going to give you some insight into how you can be a better person to other people who are different more empathetic more sympathetic

kinder all that it's so funny it's so true that i feel australia you think the country is further further in than than we really are in terms of progress that was the my mom has no homophobic bone in her body most beautiful woman on earth but took my coming out the hardest because she had no benchmark. She literally said to me, does this mean your voice will change? Does this mean you will start talking like Carson Kresley? Love that that was her point of reference. I said, I fucking wish.

And the process that she needed to go through was actually learning what a gay person was in 2020, whenever the fuck I came out, because she had no idea. She didn't know anyone she watched cam from modern family and thought he's gonna start rolling his sleeves up in that weird half triangle roll and three quarters up the wrist and that's what she thought i was going to be truthfully i'm so glad you brought that up because i think a lot of queer people when they come out expect their family to accept them in one one hundredth of the timeline it took them to figure out and come out of the closet. Yeah. Our expectation is like, I've told you it.

Accept me immediately. And if not, you're terrible. Totally. It took us how long? I don't know. From the day I decided to the day I came out, you know, years and years and years and years of struggling. And then we like spit it out.

But for our parents generation, justifiably gay equal death. Yeah. Sidney Moore and Harold. Boom. AIDS. That ad on TV with the fucking Grim Reaper in the bowling ball yeah and so we're expecting them to unpick all that internalized homophobia you know it's a different time we're in a much better place but I often say to parents is

you're putting your trauma of your past onto us when the reality is kids are growing up in a much different place than even the four of us grew up in kids that are coming out at an 11 proudly at their school and no one even cares no one gives a shit and we're like oh wait a second this is what your life is going to be through the lens of our upbringing yeah you gotta i think you gotta give parents a little bit of grace if they're not thrilled immediately because they will come around but like you said they've got a process too by the way were you there when the surrogate gave birth no oh because my question was going to be, who do they hand the kids to? Because normally they, you know, wrap them up and give them to the person that just gave birth.

There's two of them, luckily. So they both got one. One each. We talked about this on another show, so I'm like comfortable to say it, but we missed it by six minutes. You're joking. Such a bummer. Oh, and so they were there when you walked in. It's not like you had to wait a few weeks to pick them up.

It was really close. We were just rushing there. So obviously she went in. Did you plan? You had the flights booked and planned to try to get there early and try to beat it? Yeah, that was the goal. And she just went in early. Yeah.

Yeah. Healthy birth, though, right? You will have to read about that in my book. Oh, classic. He's good. I'm a book. Available for pre-order at Big W. Now tell me how many pages of glossy pictures are in the centre of the book?

I think eight. Oh, that's what I want. Wow. I skip there straight away. I don't fuck with the blurb. I don't fuck with the foreword. I go straight to that glossy section in the middle. I love it.

And I look at the photos. That's all I do. Eight is good. And then don't you love when you look at the photos first in an autobiography and then you read the book and the photos suddenly make sense? Yeah. Because you look at it out of context. You're like, what the fuck's this about?

And then you go read the book and go, oh, that's that. I go back to the middle section like 300 times. Yes, yes, yes. I love it. Are you doing an audio book version? Yeah. How long did it take to record that? Or have you not done it yet?

I haven't done it. It's doing in April and I think it's five days. Fucking hell. Fantastic. That would get so tedious. Yeah. And also emotionally traumatising. True.

Jesus. Do you want to do like a rehearsal? Do you want to, like, should we give you some script? Yeah. Do you want to? Let's do it. What book could we give Sean? A, B, C, D.

Do we have anything in here? Oh, surely you've got a little excerpt from your own book. Here, I'll bring up the blurb on the Big W website. Here you go. Are you going to put music on the back of it or no? It's going to be. It's an audio book, Mitch. Well, I don't know.

I've never listened to an audio book. I think in the beginning sometimes they have music. I can give you music. Sean Zeps wanted to be a mom since the age of four when he fell in love with Mrs. Potts. Actually, this makes no sense. You're going to have to change it to I wanted to be a mom. Oh, good call. I wanted to be a mom since the age of four when I fell in love with Mrs. Potts, the mothering

teapot and beauty and the beast. But there was just one problem. I was not, in fact, a woman. Oh, they get you. Sean, can you just do one more take as Carson Kresley? I? I wanted to be a mom since I was four!

Oh, that's funny. Well, you can get the book, so June 7th. It's out wherever you get your books. Or, like I keep saying, because I'm so good, I've got your back, pre-order available now at Big W. That's right. Not like other dads. Do you think you are like other dads?

No. Well, why the fuck would he call this book that? No, no, no. And then the plot twist at the end is I actually just am like other dads. The question also was, have you ever met a dad that is doing everything just the same way you are? No. Yeah, wow. have you ever met a dad that is doing everything just the same way you are no yeah wow i think there are amazing modern men who are very involved absolutely but genetically i don't have all the

science to back this up but like we know that women research has been done have more empathy like wired into their entire being and body it is more natural for them also the way in which they are raised from a young age to care about specific things. So there are men who are involved. Absolutely. They are there. They're doing drop off and pick up. Their wives work and they stay at home. But I think there is something about my childhood specifically, what it means to grow up gay, what you are told that means, how to unpick that to always feel like an outsider. So when you come to the parenting world and there's a script that exists and that script is very straight even if you're straight you tried to disrupt it a little bit you fall into slots josh and i couldn't it didn't make any sense for us

so we had to literally look at it and go okay we got to start over we got to figure this out on our own there's nothing to go off of and because of that i think we need to do a lot more work than the average man to go, how can we succeed? Do you make the same threats that my mother used to be like, oh, do you want me to get your father? Like they're more scared. Absolutely. Oh, 100%. I say all the same things my mom said, which is just so annoying.

Scary. Scary though, isn't it? I catch myself out sounding like my dad all the time. Oh, God. Yeah. No, I really have turned out like my mom. I get furious if someone squashes the bread. Yeah.

I'm like, no, there's water in the car. There's water at home. I don't need to go through the drive-thru for a frozen Coke. It's fine. I really am Jane. Well, listen, we love you. I could talk to you for hours, truly. I really could.

I could. But we'll have to let you go. Get the book. A pleasure having you on. You get Sean on socials. Sean Zeps. Thank you. Z-E-P-S.

Zeps. Love you all. Great to have you on Happy Pride everyone as well We'll get out of here But still Well this will air And Pride's done

But Yeah we're out of the Thailand We're at the bottom Sure It's Pride We're at the bottom ain't we I'm just saying we are Are you just

We're at the side You know side's a thing Me Hi nice to meet you Oh nice to meet you Pleasure yeah Oh my god Do you want to quickly Spread some light on on the side culture sure yeah historically

we've always had top and bottom right that's actually taken not from the homosexual community but just a deep and powerful understanding of the position in which you are playing are you dominant or are you not and so we have top and bottom that the gay community uses primarily which means you're either receiving bottom or you are giving top. Well, side is a third option and it's, you're not so interested in the actual intercourse itself, but all the other beautiful things you can do with your hand and your mouth. Sex is not always on the agenda for you and you don't want to be labeled that

way in the gay community. I think everyone knows this here. You like introduce yourself that way. You decide who you can and cannot be with. You know, you have amazing connection at the bar and they're like top or bottom. You're both tops. You're like, ah, shit. Like there goes the potential of that relationship.

I'm like, there's other things you could do. Exactly. But I think for a long time, there's just been a bunch of people who thought, oh, maybe I'm a little bit broken. I don't really want to do all these things, but I like all the other elements a lot. And now there's this label that Grindr has really been the first large business to like it's on grinder side yeah they were the first i mean it was a psychologist in america who came up with the term but grinder was the first ones to grab it and go we're going to give people this option and then educate around it wow that's actually the first time i've heard that that's

in crash in on tiktok and now i know it's a pride sponsorship i'm working with grinder no i'm not they really like the gay dads i'm gonna say you're a married man with children and you're I've seen it on TikTok and now I know. It's a Pride sponsorship. I'm working with Grindr. No, I'm not. They really like the gay dads. Yeah, I was going to say, you're a married man with children and you're a Grindr ambassador. Please. Also, considering Grindr way back when had the criteria you could filter by race. I mean, they've come a real long way. The community has.

The fact that you, just think about that. The fact that you could filter out by race. Could you do, I've barely used Grindr in my life. Can you actually do that? I did know. I was listening to a podcast. Oh. Yeah. I've never used it either in my life Can you actually do that? I did know, I was listening to a podcast I've never used it either But I could tell you

Oh that sound! That was a pretty good impression from me Does Tinder have a sound? I think they just have a normal notification go off Like a text or something No creativity Imagine being the gay marketing man at Tinder I'd go make it a little Tinder flame.

Ooh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've got to be mad. What is Hinge? That's the real one. That's the one where you actually find love. That's where I met Marshawn, on Hinge. Ooh, what was the sound for that?

I've always got my phone on silent, to be fair. So I don't know. I think it's just a normal notification. A door opening. It should be a door. No. Yeah. I'd love that.

What else is there? Christian Mingle. Plenty of fish It's just Yeah Oh no but gay Christian Mingle Would be It'd be like You'd be banished

Yeah it would just be The burning sounds Of flames Straight person gets a match Us Burn in hell Sorry I have a real thing for sound effects I have everything ready

I love it Yeah you've been so well behaved For the episode Mitch hates it We better go Thanks for listening And thanks for coming in Sean Book Sean the Ijem helicopter

Just tell all our guests Oh gotta gotta gotta Just grab a Watch your next scuff Bye Bye Bye bub Oh thank god he's gone

He's coming back What are you after Why did you Oh, he's coming back. What are you after? What did you leave? Oh, he just came back to laugh. I just wanted to plug my book one more time. What's the title? Not Like Other Dads. Wow.

Where can we pre-order? Big W. Link him by one Instagram. Oh, so stupid. Thank you, Sean. We love you. Thanks for having me. Love you, Sean. And we'll see you next week, everybody. Bye- you. Thanks for having me. Love you, John.

And we'll see you next week, everybody. Bye-bye. Is it just me? A podcast by a couple of mitches. Make sure you've hit follow on your podcast app. Welcome to ADD Brief. This is our secret segment on the end. Did you know we had a secret segment, Sean?

No. Normally the rule is if the guest doesn't know about it, we keep it secret from them. But no, you can stay. We like you. I want him to stay. Jack Viggen didn't know about it, so out he went. Out, bitch. I saw Jack Vigin didn't know about it, so out he went. Out, bitch. I saw Jack Vigin at a house party.

That's another cute thing about Mardi Gras that I like, how in Paddington and Oxford Street and Surrey Hills, all these beautiful gay terraces put up a pride flag, and it's kind of like I didn't realise it's kind of an open house. You kind of need to know one gay. You kind of had to suck them off the year before. It's a weird invite system. But we were walking through Paddington and Hayden's like, oh, my friend lives here.

We walked in and we stayed for an hour. Jack Vigin was there. And the sweetest little plum you've ever met. So sweet. Oh, my God. Are you acting like you've only just met Jack? No, I know. But I just didn't think we were close.

You're like the sweetest little plum. I was like, he's been on this show before. I've interviewed Jack as Jack Vigin. But at this party, the guard was down. Yeah. And I was like, he's been on this show before. I've interviewed Jack as Jack Vigin. But at this party, the guard was down. Yeah. And I was like, oh, this is Jack. Yes. I think he's pretty much the same on the podcast as he is in real life.

By the way, his thing better than drugs and dick was sobriety, 5am starts and writing gratitude journals. Ha! The sobriety thing with the face. I can't relate. I can't relate. No, I spoke to him about that. I said, so you were banging on about sobriety last time you were on the podcast and you got a drink in your hand. Can't relate. Can't relate. No, I spoke to him about that. I said, so you were banging on about sobriety last time you were on the podcast and you got a drink in your hand.

He goes, yeah, yeah, it's just good to do a reset. So the relationship with alcohol isn't bad. So he's back on the booze, but it's not bad. That's what I'm doing. I haven't drunk since September. I've just been off the booze. What? Good for you.

Yeah, since my birthday. How did you make it through family Christmas? Do you actually love each other or something? No, there's a real connection. It's the food. That definitely fills that void. That's a real problem. But yeah, I just don't drink.

I haven't missed it at all. Hayden drinks a lot. For both of you. For both of us, correct. But I'm off it and I don't miss it. Oh, that's so good. Josh doesn't drink at all. Really?

Hasn't for a very, very, very long time. And when you are a partner of someone who doesn't drink, for whatever reason? Hasn't for a very, very, very long time. And when you are a partner of someone who doesn't drink, for whatever reason, if you love them a lot, you're sometimes stuck. You're like, okay, I don't want to do this around them. I don't want to enable them. Would he be tempted? I think so, potentially.

So when we're out at venues, like last night, he's very comfortable. But when we're at home, I basically, the day he decided he wasn't drinking anymore was the day that I never drank at home again. And so it actually kind of worked out because now I'm like a little bit fitter than I was before. Wow. I'm a bit like that with my Sean because he doesn't not drink, but he certainly is a lot more lightweight than me.

And so because I'm like, oh, well, he's still going on that drink. I would normally go for a top up now and have a second one. But I'm like, I better pace myself because I look like a real gronk if I've had like double the amount of drinks that it's had him to have one. You want to be on the same level. It's not fun if one person is a waste case and you're the sober one. That was Mardi Gras after we left the Jack Vision party. We're in Surrey Hills and Hayden's like, I'm much drunker than you.

Let's go get some frozen yogurt. Well, yeah, he could have a drop of alcohol to be much drunker than you. You can hang out with a tipsy person. Totally. If you hang out with a blind person or a blind partner, then I'm suddenly the full-time carer. Yeah. Wiping.

It's a hell. It's a hell. So we ended up at, yeah, Yochi frozen yogurt, getting coconut yogurt at 11.30, Mardi Gras night. It was great. Actually, I did a service to the gays because they closed the doors earlier. It was like 11.30. They were closing at midnight.

And all these gays are like banging on the door, like it's like 11.30. They were closing at midnight. And all these guys were like banging on the door. Give me. It's like a zombie movie. Like. And need their fro-yo. And then I'm sitting right in front of that green push to open button because I have. So I'm just.

You worked there full time. The staff were furious because they wanted to close. Of course. So then all these gays would run in. Then the doors would close. And then like another horde would build up. And I'd just go. And then all these gays would filter in

she asked me to stop homophobic also why would they close at 11.30 they could make a killing on Mardi Gras night there's so many people roaming because there were so many people to serve they weren't closed they were just pacing it they were shutting it because by the time they'd serve

the customers that were already there it would be midnight so if they left the door open, they just would never stop. That's what I mean. They should have stayed up until 5am. Can we just have a quick conversation about this country's bullshit relationship to not having food available for us late at night when we're drunk? I feel like there's some weird Mandela effect shit going on because I went to a Porto on Oxford Street at 2am and it was closed.

Oh. And people were like, oh yeah, they close at 1. I was like, I swear to fucking God, I've stumbled in there at 2am and it was closed. Oh. And people were like, oh yeah they close at 1. I was like, I swear to fucking god I've stumbled in there at 4am. No, I feel like both of us have been there. Yes! And everyone's like, no it's always closed at 1. I was like, since fucking, I swear I've been in there when the sun's

rising. I feel like a galo, like it's always the chicken shops. They're always open. What do you find it a problem? Well, from the States, New York,ork la where it's 24 7 availability i want to be four o'clock drunk i want to be six in the morning drunk i want whatever time i want food it needs to be there for me yeah and in the states like these places including restaurants i've worked at make a killing off of drunk people who like fall in or like i have a

pasta please like no not in sydney mate lockout laws no nanny station i'm over it i will say i did feel that sydney was back to its former glory at the opening party yeah it felt alive good yeah good because those lockout laws were dark fucking days the overall consensus was that it was like one of the better parades and parties and people were having a really good time that's wonderful i was at home sleeping well you you didn't attend the parade i did not know well you know me i you know this but i don't do crowds i like cannot my social anxiety it's like way too much for me that's why whenever we're at an event and you're there i just latch on to you like someone i know who is happy to be on my wavelength i need to that's why we can't drink too much that's why i need to hide

in the corner with people who just want to chat. But like large, large crowds like that will just spiral me, which is a bummer because you miss out on those opportunities. It also brings out a really nasty side of me. I'll start elbowing people. I don't give a fuck. Like if I'm trying to get a good spot for my own, I'm like, move! Become ruthless.

I love that you quit your day. You and Mitch have that in common. You both quit your day jobs to pursue full-time content creation. Yeah, Sean. The Sean of it all. Yep. I don't think i could write a book though fucking hell i'd say don't yeah is it being shocking yeah the self-discipline to write a bloody book oh my god and did someone edit it i would take that so personally if they changed my words oh that was the hardest part for sure do they how do they deliver the news like we're

gonna cut the part where you talk about the grief of the loss of xyz so they had a call the first time but they basically it's just like in uh what is that called like changes in word documents so you just have to read every single one one at a time one at a time one at a time the good news is is my editor legend lesbian soon to be mother who found out her wife was pregnant two days after she got my book deal so whatever she said i was like she's she's an ally like she gets it yeah whereas if it was a straight person i'd be like how dare you try to take that you know i just basically went with it but anytime someone's like i remember that most traumatic moment you had in your life can you make it a little bit funnier and you're like where's the punchline yeah we know you were in america during 9-11 but we would have drag brunch

that moment can you be are you comfortable let's just stretch it a little making it happen that's my problem i embellish everything i would embellish my life story and it's fact so people could just go back and be like that you also got a shocking memory you'd have to double check it with everyone that's the heart i mean that the number of details you need about personal things in your life to be able to write a story right all the little elements since you're constantly having to call people and be like so remember when this happened that didn't happen sean i'm like are you sure they have to go and find the videos or find the pictures and really confirm every single detail and then legally contact every single person who's in it

oh god every quote every sentence every email all that did anyone get onaki like nah i don't want to be in your book yes but we're to just not talk about that one publicly. You know, there are some humans for sure who are like, actually, it's your story and you should speak your truth. But that could have negative ramifications on some people. Yeah, of course. Yeah, true. Did you go back and read a whole bunch of really good autobiographies? I did.

And I isolated my favorite writers. I'm a huge Nora Ephron fan. Love Lena Dunham's writing. Very big fan of Anthony Bourdain's first book, Parts Unknown. No? Parts Unknown. I think so. Yeah. I'm blanking.

Either way, love their writing style. Like very big fan of that youthful, almost like colloquial extra comma uses that makes you feel like you understand their tone. I read all three of those like three times. So I read them, started writing. And then at my halfway point,

read all three again, just so I could like get into, this is what you're trying to do. Smart choice. Well, you read three books three times. Oh, I mean,

that's like the 30th time I read all three of those books. Oh, fucking hell. Did you potentially look into hiring one of the ghost writers? That gets brought up for sure in the beginning. Oh, really? Yeah. Like, I think anyone who-

They're like, oh, he's an influencer. He can't read. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The problem was, is they found me through my writing. Oh, okay. Got it. At the time, I was writing for Mamma Mia a lot. Yes, yes.

And so they found all that, sliced it together, and were like, oh, there's actually just a book if you take these, like, 15 articles, there's a book right here. So I think they just were like, oh, he can write write which you know that chrissy swan literally did that she used to write like a sunday column in the paper and then released a book which was literally just back to back all of her columns in one book that's the way to do it i was like that is so easy so smart so clever oh my god let's just get our fucking podcast transcribed yes and write a coffee table book i mean you can you should well that was an idea we had to do a coffee table book for this podcast with just all the is-it-just-me's.

And then it's conversation. Or my idea was a card game. So then you're at a party and you go, is-it-just-me or your question, my question, and then people discuss it at a party. Your merch did well, so I feel like this would do well too. What about a coffee table book of all the things better than drugs and dick? Oh, that actually is really smart. That's really good.

I like that. Well, the next merch we've spoken about putting the list on the back. What are we going to do on the page for rimming? Oh, yeah. is really smart. That's really good. I like that. Well, the next merch we've spoken about, putting the list on the back. What are we going to do on the page for rimming? Oh, yeah. Just a picture of my asshole, real close and tight. Can you supply that for us? You already have it. I sent it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. My Christmas card. My Christmas card. Yes, yes, yes. Good call. Yeah. I did scan that, too. All right.

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