Is It Just Me? - #156: Group Therapy

Episode Date: August 21, 2023

As usual we ran overtime lmao so strap yourself in for a long one!   In this episode: *TRIGGER WARNING* An honest discussion about body image, weight loss & diet culture (07:15) Should Churi fire his therapist? (25:02) Putrid house inspections (29:56) Coombs is going through a breakup x (36:42) Jenna’s Junk (51:15) Our brand new “HOBBY HUNT” jingle (1:03:58) Our “Secret Segment” ADDebrief (1:09:27)   Hit us up: @coupleofmitches Send us a text: 0422 948 202     RESOURCES: Beyond Blue: Mental health support beyondblue.org.au 1300 22 4636   The Butterfly Foundation: Support for eating disorders, disordered eating and body dysmorphia butterfly.org.au 1800 334 673   Mindspot Clinic: Online counselling mindspot.org.au 1800 614 434. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hi idiots, just popping in before you listen to the episode to give you a little trigger warning. About seven minutes in, we touch on a few topics that might be a bit tricky for some people to hear, including body image, diet culture, eating disorders. And so if those topics bring up anything for you and you want to give that segment a miss, you can check the show notes and you'll see a time code of where to skip forward to. Plus we'll pop some resources in the show notes if you feel like you need a bit of support. Right, let's get into it.

This is Is It Just Me? Hosted by a couple of Mitches. Hello, you. Hello, you. Go. Brace yourself for the rude shocks of young adulthood. Oh, please, you're in bed with a cup of bloody Horlicks by 8. Horlicks?

It puts you to sleep. It's like a malt drink. Sounds like a slur. Oh, I've heard that Horlicks. Now here's Mitch Curie and Mitchell Coombs. Hello, you. Hello, you. Hello.

Welcome back to my lounge room. Technically Talk Back Tings Live 3.0. I feel like we're back to last week. We're in Mitchell's lounge room again. Just no callers. That's the only difference. No, no fucking callers. Jesus Christ, that call waiting sound burnt into my brain. Did you notice, listening back to the episode, that I did manage to edit out a lot of the beeping? I did. That would have been mind-numbingly boring for you. No, it wasn't. I literally just highlighted one of the beeps and then I highlighted the whole audio

and just said, remove this sound from the whole thing. Fuck, you can do that? Yeah. But then I realised that we referenced the beeping so I had to put some of them back in. Wait, wait. Can you do that one week

but just isolate one of Jenna? One of Jenna's moans or her laughs and just isolate all of Jenna from the show? Prizekeeper Jenna is here. Or is she? I'm going to remove her. No, don't remove me, please. Wait, can you just give us a couple of classic Jenna-isms

and then we can mark them with the AI? We might even put it – we can put it somewhere. Rash vest. It's actually rash shirt. Oh, it is. Oh, my mistake. Give us some Jenna-isms. A big cackle.

Well said. And now what am I supposed to do with that? Isn't that what you said, that you give the computer that piece and then it removes all of her? Yeah, but she'd have to do that exact cackle again. Oh, is that smart? In order for it to detect it, yeah. You're pretty fucking predictable, Jen.

I think I could. That might work. I think I could. We're in Mitch's living room because, to be perfectly honest with you all, you idiots, we just don't have the energy. We're exhausted. I was just feeling relaxed and to be frank after last week's Talk Back Tings episode

that we did from my lounge room you just fucked off because you were running late for dinner so all your equipment was here anyway. I was like why don't we just kick back in my lounge room. I'm sitting on the L of my couch. I've got my feet up. I'm loving this. Yeah it looks like we're about to have a therapy session Mitchell. He's got his bike shorts on, his socks

on, his legs are up on the chaise. I do look like I'm at a therapy session, Mitchell. He's got his bike shorts on, his socks on, his legs are up on the chaise. I do look like I'm at a therapy session. This is nice. Yeah. You're the therapist. Oh, fuck. I think I'd be a great therapist. You reckon?

Yeah. Tell me about it. How are you, mate? You're not meant to laugh in their face at their issues. I'm just so boisterous. Now, can I ask you two? Oh, God. How are your bodies feeling?

Because I dragged you along to my Pilates studio to do one of my bar classes that I do twice a week. We've filmed it. We've recorded it. We're bringing it to you next week on the podcast. As part of? The Hobby Hunt. The Hobby Hunt, baby. Yeah, next week.

Mummy needs time to edit. Yeah, of course. Mummy's very busy. But yeah, the class has happened. How are you feeling? Are you aching? I thought I'd be fine. The day after, I was not fine.

Yeah. Muscle pain. I am so sore. Really? I am so sore. Do you want to know what happened to me, though? Yeah. So, I did my normal class that I would go to, and then a half-hour gap, and then you

guys rocked up, and we did a second private class and doing two bar classes in a row, holy fuck, it killed me. And then I had to hobble back to that studio today because I do two classes a week and so I've done a third and so I'm so glad I didn't have to go to the studio and I'm on my couch because my body is ready to just give up. I can imagine. Just mummify me.

I'm ready to go. But I had PT that day. Also, no one congratulated me. I ran a quarter marathon. Well done. Thank you. I had the medal in the car and I was going to wear it like a dick. Like a dick?

Like a dickhead. Oh, right. I thought you literally meant you were going to put it around your waist and just have it dangling like balls. No, that'd hit me in the balls. No, I'm not going to wear it like a cock. No, wear it like a knobhead and be like, dangling like balls. No, they didn't hit me in the balls. No, they're going to wear it like a cock. They'll wear it like a knob head and be like, look what I got. Yeah, I ran 14 kilometres.

Well done. I did it. That's amazing. Did you run the whole time? Yes. Really? You ran? Yes.

I did it in an hour 40. You have to. It's 14 kilometres. That's really impressive because I've been telling myself since the year 2015 when I first moved to Sydney. Yeah. I was like, oh, I'm not ready this year, year 2015 when I first moved to Sydney. Yeah. I was like, oh, I'm not ready this year, but next year I'm going to do the fucking City to Serve.

And every single year I've been going, nah, next year is my year. I'll do it. It just kind of comes around again. I'm like, ah, well, I missed it this year. I'll do it next year. I'll be ready next year. Well, you know what happens is I signed up two days or three days before the run. So I was in the mums and bubs category because everything else was empty.

It's like pink, green, blue, yellow, red, orange. And orange is prams and charity walkers. So I was there. Everyone had run. So then I was like right at the front of the orange pack. And as I was running, I'd pass people and I'd pass like a red bib, then a green bib. And I got all the way to the – not the front.

You won, basically. Yes, I got the medal. And I got all the way to the, not the front, but. You won basically. Yes, I got the medal. You won the city to surf. I won, correct. Well done. No, I'm not, I don't want praise, but that's also why I'm fucking sore because that was less than a week ago and I'm just achy everywhere. It's kind of like a satisfying ache though, don't you think?

Oh, it's like after you have sex. Does anyone else ache after sex? Not really. That was probably a thought that I should have kept to myself. But anyway, yes, we're bringing you the first ever Hobby Hunt next week. Yes. As well as Gina Liano, our special guest next week. Is that next week?

Yeah, it is. We recorded that so long ago because she's got a new podcast, Judge Gina. It's an iHeart exclusive. So, yeah, we were on Gina's podcast, but she is also our guest on our show next week. Beautiful. As for this week, we're doing a round of Jenna's Junk. Yay.

Oh, about time. Oh, it's so full. And I've also got to open up about my recent breakup. I now feel your pain, Cherry. Wait, what? What do you mean? Have you broken up with Sean? Worse.

Far worse. I wish it was that. I'd argue a breakup worse than a breakup with Sean would be a breakup between us, friendship-wise. Well, it's not that. It's even worse. Yeah, because we're still here. Who else could it be? I'll tell you later.

Don't worry. And you're just prefacing it by saying you think it's worse than the divorce that I just had. Yeah. The divorce that crippled me. I'll explain why I think I'm the bigger victim later on. I can't wait to hear that. Well, listen, if it's your first time listening, welcome to Is It Just Me?

Every week we start the show the same way, to Ijjums, something we've noticed, something we hate or appreciate. Mitch doesn't know mine. I don't know Mitch's, to be honest with you. Mine's a little, considering Mitch looks like he's in therapy. Yeah. Mine is therapy based. Really? Mine's a little bit therapy-esque too. Should we just dive right in? Yeah. Okay. Go for it. Do you want me to go first? Yeah, you do it. All right. Is it just me or? Are you in the mood for a group therapy right now? Cause I am. We're all going to lean into this, aren't we? Yeah, I'm ready.

It's actually perfect that it looks like I'm on a therapist's couch. We all are. Yeah, let's go. What do you want to talk about? Well, there's just been one thing that's been on my mind recently. And I don't know if it's anxiety related, but it's just, I just need to word vomit it out to try and make sense of it. Okay.

Okay. So stick with me. Mitch, you recently went on your health kick. I'm still on it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You've lost weight. People are telling you that you're glowing.

You're getting thousands of compliments. I am. Yeah. Which I think is lovely because those messages are accurate. I agree with them. Right. I'm liking them. Yeah.

Thank you. However, and I've already told you this off the cloud, but I'm very confused lately because I've been finding myself getting so fucking jealous about all the attention you're getting. Yeah, and this is so funny because we've discussed this off the show and we're like, we need to talk about it on the show because I know you don't want to say it, but I'm going to say it for you. Right.

Mitch has lost 15 kilos. Yes. You have lost 15 kilos. That is such an accomplishment. And it's kind of just terrible timing that I've also now lost 25 kilos and it cost you. It's really strange because I started going to my nutritionist. Yeah.

Her name's Sarah DiLorenzo. She's fabulous. Oh, I have her book. Do you? Whatever. The 10-10 plan. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. She's from Sunrise. nutritionist yeah her name's sarah de lorenzo she's fabulous i have a book do you whatever the 10 10 plan yeah yeah there you go yeah she's from sunrise she does all the the food and the healthy eating and the lifestyle segments on telly she's awesome as seen on tv she can have one of those stickers on her oh she could yeah she could yeah um so yeah i started going to her for nutrition appointments i think in may yeah and at the time i decided i wasn't gonna

talk about it and draw attention to the fact that i was on this health kick because i remember when i was in like a real rut right yeah if i saw other people banging on about their health kicks it kind of made me feel shit yeah and so i was like i don't want to make other people feel shit and so i kind of just kept it to myself and i was like i'll let the results speak for themselves whatever happens because i wasn't necessarily going to a nutritionist to lose weight it was mostly just like during it would have been covered lockdown actually during 2020 onwards i just developed some really gross habits yeah really gross but gross habits. And everyone did. So many people went through that. Were you drinking two bottles of rosé a night?

That's a you thing. Yeah. Yeah. Two bottles a night, were you? Oh, not every night, but a lot of nights. But you didn't have it. Did you think you have a drink? Did you have a drinking problem?

Do you look back now and think, oh, that was a big rush? I mean, in hindsight, I can't even have two glasses of rosé now without getting a fucking headache. That's a good point, actually. What was going on in your system to drink two bottles a night? It's weird, right? I don't know. I was just early 20s.

Was Sean around? No. In 2020. Oh, 2020. Sorry. Yeah, yeah. The other thing, by the way, side note, the other thing that happened in 2020 that ruined my fucking health kick was that obviously everything shut down.

And so I just discovered my love for Pilates and the local studio shut down during COVID and never reopened like a lot of businesses. They just didn't survive that. And so anyway, I developed really gross habits in 2020 lockdown. Like I said, the drinking, the constant vaping, binge eating, stress eating, comfort eating. It was just a lot of things. And I really couldn't shake those habits for like three years. It's 2023. Yeah. And sure, with that, I did put on weight, but I didn't really care. I was just like, whatever.

You know, your size doesn't matter, which I do believe that. I do believe that. So do I. And so I didn't beat myself up about it too much. And then, yeah, it got to a point where I was like, actually, when it comes to things that I'm totally clueless about, like nutrition, I'm actually really good at being told what to do. I'll just do what I'm fucking told. So I went and saw a professional.

I was like, you just give me some sort of idea of what to eat, when, and I'll just do it because that's one less decision for me to make as well. I don't have to decide what I'm going to have for breakfast and stuff. She can just let me know what's good. And so, yep, I went and saw the nutritionist and decided I wasn't going to talk about it and I thought the results will speak for themselves.

Yes. 15 kilos later, nothing. I'm not even kidding. And it's been a really hard thing to reckon with in my brain. Cause I keep saying, Mitchell, you weren't doing it for validation from others.

You were doing it because you wanted to feel better, which by the way, fucking ridiculous ridiculous how much better i feel mentally it turns out there actually is a connection between what food you put in your mouth and how that affects your brain 100 weird right weird that endorphins actually are a thing that people talk about and scientists have studied when i exercise i feel good exactly isn't it crazy how it works? Yeah, exactly. And also like the binge eating and stress eating I was doing, I did not feel good. Funny that. And so, yeah, I was just like, okay, I'm going to do this thing,

this health kick. It's my thing. I'm not going to push it onto others. I'm not going to tell everyone because I wasn't trying to fish for validation. And, yeah, I know this is terrible because now you're getting all the attention and all the validation. I feel so fucking jealous.

And I know that that's an awful thing to say and feel because, like, I'm happy for you, I am, but I still am just like, what the fuck? Why do I feel jealous? You can be happy for someone and then jealous as well. Also be fucking jealous. Here's the thing, Mitchell, and first I want to preface it by saying I'm exactly the same as you. I was a very happy, bigger person.

Yeah. It didn't bother me. And also, I've had the most success in my career as a really big person. Yeah. The most success in my professional career as a big person. So I just want to preface it by saying- Exactly. And in your love life.

In my love- Exactly. Yeah. I was in a happy, loving relationship for five years at my biggest. Yeah. And I'm a big boy. I'm talking like 150 kilos plus. Yeah.

But I think the difference is people at the moment, and I love everyone for it, are wanting me to have a win because I've just come off the back of this awful breakup. And I haven't even really gone into the details of it. And I don't think I ever will. So then they see me kind of glowing up, posting, and being a bit happier, going on my hot girl walks. And they're like, yes, he's happy.

So we're going to tell him how good he looks because he's been sad and you are loved up and you've got Sean and you're having hot anal sex. So no one's happy for you because you're coming. That's the point. That's the subject. That's a good point. No, but that's the thing. I actually enjoy that everyone's being your cheerleader.

I think it's beautiful. And a question for you, is that a motivator to keep going? Yes and no because on the flip side, there is the criticism, and it's very valid, that celebrating weight loss insinuates that bigger is worse, skinnier is better. Yeah, see, that's what I was worried about. I didn't want to be like, look at what I've done. I've lost 15 kilos.

What an achievement, because I felt like inadvertently that was sending the message, like you said, that smaller is better, bigger is worse, which I fucking don't believe for a second. No, not at all. Which is why I found it really confusing because I've got this, like, core belief that it doesn't make a difference how big or how skinny you are.

It doesn't make a difference to who you are. That's the core belief. And yet I'm still feeling fucking jealous that I'm not getting as many compliments as you. We're complimenting you. Yes yet I'm still feeling fucking jealous that I'm not getting as many compliments as you. Oh, we're complimenting you. Yes, absolutely. I swear this is not me fishing for compliments.

No, no, not at all. I mean, there's people in my life that have been very lovely and supportive, like Sean, obviously. Yeah. Well, he's touchy. He can feel the fat mass. Yes, he's noticed how nimble I am. Are you?

Yeah. Bar class helps with that too. Wow. I'm sure he's barred up too. Gives you someone to hold on to. And actually, you know someone else who I'm going to give a shout out because I hope he's listening. Tim Abbott.

Oh, your worthless twink. So gorgeous. Every time I see him, he goes, you are just glowing. Look at you. It's so lovely to hear. He's a sweetheart like that. But then I'm going to be honest. I spiral a little bit because I also have access to strangers

who aren't complimenting me the same way they're complimenting you. And again, I know this is so icky to say. I hate it. But it makes me start to question, well, if they're complimenting him but not me, I haven't lost enough weight. I need to lose more. No, Mitchell, that is so unhealthy. And then I think, oh, well, if people aren't telling me I'm glowing but they're telling him he's glowing, then maybe I'm just not happy. Am I not happy enough to look like I'm glowing?

And so I've just been going through this weird fucking spiral and I know it's not a healthy way to think. I know it's wrong. Mitchell, the issue here and like the whole fitness industry as a whole has a lot to answer for because they benefit off people being scared of being fat and they benefit off people wanting to be skinny. Yeah, which I hate that. I agree.

Every marketing campaign is someone who is skinny. We don't really do it anymore. Diet culture is dead, which is great. And I'm not lying to you. This is where the hot girl walks came from. I told you, Midge, I started walking King Street, Newtown because I was so sad every day from the breakup. I was so depressed that I had to just walk. I was just doing it mentally. I'd had no goals to lose weight. I'd no goals to slim down. I was the same. I used to go for walks and exercise, and I'd hate it because I was doing it

to lose weight. But this helped kick the 2023 May on Woods or whatever. It's been different where I'm like, if I don't go for a walk, I feel shit. Not because I haven't exercised because I want to lose weight, just because of the endorphins, as you call them. Yes, the endorphins. Yes, yes. Save the endorphins, of course.

It's also hard because, like, you want to – compliments are great and you also want to receive them but then you also don't – that's not why you do it, you know. This is why I'm really confused about what I'm thinking and feeling because I've always tried to lead by example about, like, don't let other people's opinions affect you, which most of the time they don't. Like, if someone says to me, get a haircut, I'm like,

how about you get a throat cut? Yeah. Fuck with. Great comeback. Well said. Or if someone says, oh, you've got a massive forehead, I'm like, yeah, it's bigger than your dick, dog. Well said.

Like, for the most part, I don't care what other people think. Water off a duck's clit. I don't care. Yes, well said. And yet, oh, there's a part of me that's this human and wants to be told that I look nice. But Mitchell, it also, like, on a literal level, I was bigger. And you could visibly see that I was a bigger boy. It was never a problem.

And no one ever said, you're a big boy. Well, you did. Yeah, but that was my God-given right yeah um however now it's such a drastic change physically that people people have monkey brains they're like mitch better mitch breakup mitch better now yeah let me message mitch that's all it is they don't look at you and go he's gone from this to this people are also hesitant to do it you should see i'm getting hundreds of messages and they're like hey i don't normally comment on people's physical appearance, but you're looking good. And I just wanted you to know that because I know what you've been through. And I love those

kinds of messages because they get the nuance. Yeah. Well, that was the thing. When I lost the first 10 kilos, I thought, gee, 10 kilos doesn't sound like a small amount. I would have thought that people would start to notice, but then I thought maybe it's 2023. People have learnt not to comment on other people's bodies and whatever. And I was like, that's fine. But then it was when you started getting all the compliments that I was like, actually people are willing to comment on people's bodies. What the fuck have I done wrong?

And again, I know that that's wrong. I know that that's wrong for me to think that. This is just a group therapy session. I'm just getting it all out. Okay, then I'll just speak my mind too. I haven't really spoken about it much, have really bad body image issues. I don't find – and I've told you guys this personally. I don't look at myself and go, that's an attractive man.

Or I don't look at my body and go, that is a hot body. And I want to. I want to have agency in my body and my sexuality. And posting it is me using is helping me is actually helping me um and it's not because i'm getting the compliments it's because i go hold on they don't go astray the compliments no but the compliments don't go astray but that they're a byproduct i'm posting them to flip that switch in my brain because look at my content over the last five years it's been from the neck up i do not like posting my body because i'm uncomfortable

by it and posting all these hot girl walks and the content i would never have done that before and it's retraining my brain to actually love myself it's like exposure therapy if you do it over and over again it becomes less intimidating it means nothing to you guys the other day i filmed a hot girl walk video and i showed my whole body and i i remember thinking like i'm putting my people can see like a bit of man boob people can see a bit of tummy and I didn't I didn't think twice about it and I put it up and I felt good for me and it's my it's my social media it's got to work for me at the end of the day exactly can you talk to me about some of the backlashy messages you've gotten because again when i started my health kick i actively chose not to

talk about it for fear of that yeah because i didn't want it to look like i was pushing the message like we've said that smaller equals better that's i didn't want to be accused of that and so has there been a little bit of that there's been a couple of messages yeah but for the most part it's majority people being nice and cheering you on and just a little bit of backlash. 99% positivity. And you know what? One of the messages I got, I've taken on board. So I would, because people were messaging going, what is your routine? How long are you walking?

People want answers. So I started, I wear an Apple watch to track my fitness and it sends it to your phone in an app and I would just screenshot the length, the duration, the kilometres, and I'd add that into the story. I noticed that. There are too many numbers for me. It makes no sense to me. That's right. But for the people that want it, yeah, the people that want it, they get it.

But I had two people message and say, and I fully understand it, that for people that have eating disorders or people who have real issues with calorie counting, that seeing someone else burning that amount of calories can be triggering. And I appreciate that. So I've removed that from – I've removed the calories because I didn't even think about that. I didn't know. So I've removed the calories.

I'm still putting up how far I've walked. It's hard because the people that you're benefiting from educating them, people are going, is four kilometers enough? I've just walked two. So I just want – sometimes I walk one and a half and I just want people to know that, yeah, I'm a hot girl walking. It's a one kilometre walk. It doesn't matter if it's one or 10K.

So you've got to weigh it up. Side note, how fucked is calorie counting? It was such a big relief when I had my first appointment with Sarah DiLorenzo and she said, we don't do calorie counting here, darling. And I was like, oh, thank God. I thought I was about to get back into that. I had the MyFitnessPal.

It was just awful. I hate that shit. It's too much to think about. I also just want to say, like, the only reason we're talking about this, Mitch, is because we're going through it currently. It doesn't mean that you listening have to go and walk or lose weight. No, no. Like, if you're – I was so content being bigger.

It's just that I've gone through this trauma and this is how I'm responding to it. Yeah. That's the thing. When I had my – again, my first appointment with Sarah, she kept using the line like, oh, becoming your best self. And that's like one of the only things that she said that I just – it didn't sit right because I'm like smaller doesn't equal best self. That's exactly it.

It's more just the mental shit I'm trying to get on top of. Can I say though, like my, and I don't know if you can comment on this, but my night show team, the producers of my radio show, were like, you've been funnier. Like you've been on it and you're like spark is back. Yeah. And you're like, you just, you're not warmer, but there's just an energy.

I feel as soon as you walk into the office, it's like you're a totally different person. Yeah, totally. That's the cocaine, Jenna. I'm on a lot of cocaine. Yeah, I just gave him a bump in the lift. Yeah, Mitch is so generous with that. Can't do it off his penis, though.

It was really weird. I've also noticed that, too, where as soon as I started doing this meal plan, I feel like I've just become a bit sharper. Like when we're recording the podcast, apart from day's night today, where I just feel a bit knackered. We're all a bit like that. What is it about today?

I don't know. It's fine. It's a chill day. And so, yeah, but I noticed as soon as I started doing the meal plan, I was like, fuck, I'm just a bit more alert and I don't need to have as many coffees. So going back to my initial question, is it bad that I'm jealous as fuck at all the compliments you're getting? Is that bad? Because I'm just like, he's on his journey. I'm on mine. I feel better. That should be all that matters.

And yet there's a little selfish part of me that's like, I just want compliments. I hate it. You're human. Some people will listen and go, yeah, it is bad. And I swear anyone listening right now, I swear that's not me fishing for compliments. I hate it. You're human. Some people will listen and go, yeah, it is bad. And I swear, anyone listening right now, I swear that's not me fishing for compliments. I'm just getting this out of my system because it's been on my mind a lot lately. I don't understand why all the attention you're getting has made me spiral a little bit, to be honest. No, I feel you.

I get it. But again, I agree with all the compliments you're getting. They're correct. Thank you so much. I look hot, but so do you. You look so hot. Jenna, when we filmed what we were release in the next couple of weeks. Next week.

Next week. Yeah, the Pilates one, right? Yes, yes, yes. How hot did Mitch look? Those legs. Oh, you reckon? Mitchell. See, even again now, again, this is why it's so confusing what's going on in my head.

I feel bad accepting compliments about my appearance because I feel like that is pushing the message that small is better. It's really, it's, there's a lot going on in my stupid brain Mitchell I feel exactly the same but it's not it's it's not it's not you're right you got Sean when you were bigger I was in a five-year relationship when I was bigger I've done the most tv work I've ever done in my life when I was bigger I have my had my radio success this podcast has blown up when we it doesn't matter yeah it doesn't matter it's's all for me personally. And for you, it's a personal journey. But you're right.

A fucking DM, you listeners, it'd be lovely. Send me to DM. No, no, no. That's not what I'm fishing for. I'm just, yeah. I needed a group therapy session, like I said. Well, that was nice. I just needed to get it all out.

That was nice. Anyway, sorry. This has gone on longer than I thought it would. Should we get to yours or just me? Yeah, and don't edit any of that out. That was lovely chat. I liked that. That was lovely chat.

I feel better now. Good. Do you? Yeah, there's something to be said for talking about things that are weighing on your mind, isn't there? It is. It's crazy. A problem shared is a problem halved. Now, that'll be $300. I'll need your Medicare card and we'll give you back $3. But didn't you say that your itch and miss therapy related to it? Yes, it is. Alright, your turn. Have you got some deep shit for me? Oh, it's deep, baby. It's deep. Let's go.

Is it just me or? Is good therapy really dependent on the therapist? Fuck yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, I'm new to therapy. You've been trying for years, Mitchell, to get me there. And I did need it. There was part of me that was just like,

I didn't want to push it too hard to make it seem like I was saying, you're fucked in the head, get some help. But I was just like, it could be helpful for you, you know? I was one of those blissful idiots that was like, no, my life is perfect. Perfect partner that would never do me wrong. Life, family, money, job. It's all good. And so don't tell me that your very first fucking therapist is a match made in heaven.

No, it's, I think I need to break up with my therapist. Really? Yeah. She was really good. Rachel, you recommended her to me. I've got my first appointment next week and now you're telling me she's no good? Do you actually? Oh, my God.

Are you serious? You're going to see her? Yeah, next week. Oh, my gosh. No, no, no. She's really good. She's really good. And she's an expert in relationships.

And she also works with people in the public eye. So she gets that lens. It's really good. She's really good. And she's an expert in relationships. And she also works with people in the public eye. So she gets that lens. It's very cool. Anyway, she's beautiful and I love her. She's a very sweet woman. However, the other week at therapy, last week, she goes to me and I just don't know. I felt like I was fucking 11 on Stranger Things in those science labs. She goes, Mitchell, I need for you to take this whiteboard.

And I went, okay. She gave me the whiteboard. She said, I need for you to draw me your relationship. And I said, you want me to draw my relationship? She went, draw your relationship. And I went, okay, sure. Were you like, listen, sketching isn't my art form. Can I make a fucking TikTok of that or something?

Do you want me to back announce Padam Padam and talk to you about my relationship because that will be much more eloquent. Part of me really wants to put on Padam Padam and see what that would sound like. I'm coming up to the next ten, trauma from my childhood. And I go, okay, so I take this whiteboard in my hand and then I'm like, what do you mean? What do you want me to draw? She goes, Mitchell, look at me, draw your relationship. And then I'm like, what do you mean? What do you want me to draw? She goes, Mitchell, look at me.

Draw your relationship. I'm like, well, what do I draw? Two stick figures of two boys and my dick in his butt. Like, what do you want me to draw? And did she say, whatever you want. There's no wrong answer. Yeah, so that's what she said. There's no wrong answer.

I go, sure. Give me the texter. And I go and pick up a green one. She goes, ah, green. What does that mean? That's what, green. What does that mean? That's what I said. What do you mean? What do you mean?

I feel like I'm on The Price is Right. So I go, okay. So then I draw two stick figures. And then she's like, right. Oh, right. Ah, yes. Ah, yes. Oh.

Oh. This is ridiculous. Then she goes, draw for me a toxic relationship. And I was like, what do you mean? So that I just took the red texture and drew it in red. You should have drawn one of those skulls that you get on the chemical drums. Toxic. I know I should have. But it just, and then after we had to like wipe it off.

And she goes, this tells me a lot, Mitchell, you know, we'll next delve more into it. That's my question. Does that tell her shit? And at the end of the day, does that help me? I've fired therapists for that exact reason because I just feel like, what the fuck? This is just not clicking for me. And my most recent therapist that I started seeing, Patrick,

he was great at the start. Yeah. And I had like a 15-minute blind date with him to make sure we would vibe. And during that I said to him, now, Patrick, what I need for you is to not fuck about. a 15-minute blind date with him to make sure we would vibe. And during that, I said to him, now, Patrick, what I need for you is to not fuck about. I need you to just tell me, do this differently in order to feel better. I don't want to go around in circles and draw bullshit.

Yeah. That's not going to work for me. And I feel like it's okay to say that. So if this therapist that you've recommended to me hits me with that shit next week, I'm going to be reminding her, I'm paying you. Very good call. That's good. So if that doesn't resonate with me, we're not doing that shit.

Well, I think you gave me this advice because I was just about to go on a rant and say the best advice I was given about therapy. What was it? Is tell the therapist what you want. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And how you receive information. So I did when I sat down. I'm like, I'm very sad about a breakup.

This is all the context of the breakup. Yeah, perfect. And I need strategies to stop thinking this way. And she did. She was great. Well, it's like I said just before about the nutrition thing. When it comes to things that I know nothing about, I'm actually really good at just doing what I'm told.

Yes. So I'm just going to go to that therapist and say, right, how do I feel a bit more motivated, a bit less self-doubting? Just give me strategies. Go. I don't want to draw anything. That's exactly what I want from you. Just tell me what to do and I'll do it.

100%. What if I just wrote no in red text or in turn around? You shouldn't. No. Also, what if it was a beautiful oil pastel painting? No worries, you have three hours. And I just turned on a candle and played some Mozart. She'd be happy with that because you pay her by the hour.

She'd be fucking thrilled. She'd be like, no, keep going. More detail on the hair next on his receding hairline. Oh, shade. You're listening to Is It Just Me? That's enough of these two. Now let's hear, and is it just you? Yes, if you'd like to get a prize too,

DM us on couple of Mitches and we will get you on the show and we'll get you something. Prizekeeper Jenna will take control of that, won't you, Jenna? I will, yes, indeed. Send them something real nice for coming on with it. Is it just me or their own? We've also got the brand new text number. So everyone delete the old number, please,

because apparently that's been disconnected. Yeah, it's gone. So the same number we used during Talk Back Tings. The brand new text line is 042-948-202. Oh, and Siri works. Listen, there's the music. Thank God. We've rebooted Siri.

All right, we have Jordan today coming to us from Blacktown in New South Wales. Hello, Jordan. Hi, Jordan. Hello. Hello, hello. Hi. How we have Jordan today coming to us from Blacktown in New South Wales. Hello, Jordan. Hi, Jordan. Hello. Hello, hello. Hi. How long have you been a listener? Oh, about a year now.

Oh, you're a newbie. Maybe a little bit longer. Yeah, yeah. I finish it and then I go back and listen to all the old episodes and, yeah, update every week. I can't believe people do that. Are you up to date yet? Yes, up to date, up to date. Oh, good girl.

Good, good. Well, you're on the latest. So you're Yes, up to date, up to date. Ah, good girl. Good, good. Well, you're on the latest. So you're the most up to date anyone could ever be. You're on this episode. Exactly, exactly. Yeah. You're ahead of the pack. All right, Bradley's going to count you in,

then hit us with the, is it just me, okay? Okay. Is it just me or? Open homes when someone is still living there. That's the most awkward thing for everybody. Absolutely. Especially if they haven't bothered to tidy up. It's just revolting.

No one enjoys it. You know, the one thing that always gets me about those kind of open homes is the shower's always freshly used. Always. Because they've always left. You have never gone to an open home that someone's still living in and the shower not be damp and wet and humid. Yeah.

But it's just been used always. What happened to you, Geordie? Did that happen to you recently? Well, so I've been on both sides of this actually. So I've had two of the houses, I'm just a renter, two of the houses that I've lived in have sold while I'm living there. But I've been to so many open homes as a renter where I'm just like, oh, this is disgusting. How can someone not be like embarrassed and not want to clean up?

And I just need to have it like immaculate. But then there's also the problem of people going to your stuff, they're opening up your wardrobe, opening up your kitchen cupboards. And then when you're going in, yeah, of course you want to know what that all looks like. And so when people were inspecting the place that you were currently living in, it sounds like, did you not want to leave that place? It was being sold and so you had to leave. Yeah, that was pretty much the situation.

See, I reckon that you should have made the place look disgusting so it was less likely to sell because I've gone to rental inspections, like a place that I might rent, and I reckon that was their tactic because the place was just revolting and it turned me off the idea of ever renting there i reckon they just wanted to stay well that's what i've done in the past the last house that i lived in um i had to get out of because it was being sold so i'd have to leave in the morning while they took new potential tenants through and in the start i was so nice i would clean the house i'd put a candle on but then by the end i like, I don't want to fucking move out. I want to elongate this process.

So I'd shit the toilet and wouldn't flush. There was one chick that lived in the place that I went to inspect and there was just kitty litter everywhere, cat food all over the floor. It was just a disaster. And the place looked beautiful. It was a Meryton. Oh, God, a service suite. Oh, yeah, that was mine.

Sorry about that. But she just made it look like a dump. So I was like, not for me. The smell as well. You know what's funny? Not to digress, but Mitch and I got invited to Jenna's new apartment, didn't we, Mitch? And it is the most Jenna vibe I have ever seen. The first thing you see, I don't want to dox you, Jenna.

No, go for it. The first thing you see coming off the street are metal cathedral gates from a church. I'm not joking. It felt a bit Hogwarts-y, didn't it? Oh, my God. Yeah, you had to get an umbrella and hit three bricks in a certain sequence. Big parcel tongue. Yeah, you had to parcel tongue it and the doors would swing open.

And then we go in and then the concierge, so of course she hasn't escaped. She may be out of a Meritan, but she's still got a concierge. She's got security. And we said, hi, we're here to see Jenna. He said, Miss Benson. We said, yeah. We get in the lift, Mitch, and what is on the inside of the lift? It was like I was in a confessional.

You know those confession booths you can go to at church where there's a priest on the other side? It was like that. It was confessional. And I was convinced that there was a priest in the lift too. I was like, oh, my God. It felt like someone was in there. It felt like it.

And then, of course, we actually stepped foot into Jenna's apartment and it made me feel like I neglect my cat because her apartment, she had so many fucking cat toys, cat lounges, cat hammocks. It was just a cat's paradise. It made me feel like I'm neglecting Isabella by comparison. You had so many cat scratch posts. Yes, yes. I just want her to be happy.

See, Jordan's gone quiet. Are we boring you, darling? Are you there, Nicole? I'm just listening to the podcast. True. Oh, my God. You're getting a live podcast. Yeah.

Exactly. I'm like, oh, this is it. That was fun. Don't spoil this episode to anyone. Don't you tell anyone or we'll sue you. We're sending an NDA to your DMs. You fucking sign it. Signing NDA, yeah. Well, no, I completely'll sue you. We're sending an NDA to your DMs. You fucking sign it. Sign the NDA, yeah.

Well, no, I completely agree with you. Also, nothing worse than when you're – because no one's ever on time to an open house. And they do 15-minute windows now. Since when is that industry standard? I know, 15 minutes. I hate it. When I inspected this place that we're currently sitting in, it was only me and one other person inspecting. And I brought my friend Andrew with

me and the other guy that was inspecting the place he said to us actually this place might be better for you guys because there's the two of you and so you might have a bit more room I can just go inspect one of the ones downstairs that's smaller I'll let you guys have this oh and I realized oh they think that Andrew's my boyfriend but But if it means I get the apartment, I was like, yeah, he's right, darling. Isn't he, babe? I had to just go along with it. Get on your knees. Let's have some of that sex we have all the time.

I can just picture us rooting in this lovely room. Yeah, perfect, perfect. Oh, you've got to pull out all the tricks when you're renting, I think. It's fucking vicious. In this rental crisis, it's absolutely insane, you know? Pull it out. Pull it out. All right. Well, so to speak, let's absolutely insane, you know. Pull it out. Pull it out. All right.

Well, so to speak, let's get you a prize. Message Prize Keeper Jenna on Instagram. We'll get you something, okay? Awesome. Thank you, guys. Love you, Jordan. See you, honey. And it's at couple of inches.

That's where you message Jenna. Don't go to her personal Instagram. You can go to Jenna underscore Benson. Yeah, of course, for all of her thirst traps and stuff. Geez, Jenna, they're getting out of hand. I can't help it. Really? Yeah. It's an impulse, is it? Yeah. Yeah, of course, for all of her thirst traps and stuff. Jeez, Jenna, they're getting out of hand. I can't help it. Really? Yeah.

It's an impulse, is it? Yeah. Yeah. I've been posting some thirst traps. Have you? I've noticed. Yeah. Well, in that case, you can head to at Mitch Cheery as well.

Yes. We're all thirst trapping except me. Now, Cheery, as we well know, you recently went through a breakup. I did. The four-month mark, probably at the time of this. Four months. Four months at the time this podcast is being released, yeah. And so would it be fair to say that when you finally announced

on the podcast, it had been a bit of a slow burn. It wasn't sudden. There'd been a bit of back and forth. There was discussion. It wasn't like a sudden breakup. He didn't just disappear from your life. Yeah, there was a day that I broke up with him when I – yeah, the D-Day.

It was actually Anzac Day, so I probably shouldn't make a D-Day reference. And then I was to-ing and fro-ing going back for about a month. Yeah. And then I officially was like, no, I've got to walk away. And so there wasn't any sudden loss of contact? No way. Well, we're in no contact now.

Okay. But no, there was communication for months, yeah. Yeah. And so hypothetically, if you'd just come home and he'd vanished, just left you high and dry, no contact, no way of getting answers, would that have been better than the slow burn or worse? No, I need communication. I want to chat.

Yeah. I like to get ideas. I like to get thoughts and why, the why and the how. No, I need communication. I want to chat. I like to get ideas. I like to get thoughts and why. The why and the how. Well, there you go. Well, that's exactly the sort of breakup that I'm going through right now. Where are you fucking going with this? A very sudden, no explanation, just gone.

Well, it's not your cat because she did a shit in this house moments ago. Yeah, sorry about that. So Isabella's here and the house stinks of shit. So it's not your cat. Sean's back from Europe. He's fucking fine. It's not him. Jenna's here.

I'm here. I know all your friends are around. What is it? I'm scared. It's so hard to talk about. Oh, no worries. It's still very raw. What's wrong?

Spit it out. First of all, I don't appreciate you comparing it to the divorce of the love of my life. I'm not comparing it. I'm telling you that it's drastically worse, actually. It's not really up for discussion. I'm telling you this is worse. What I've been through is worse than what you've been through. If this is some fucking ad, Jenna, I can't wait

for him to turn around and go, I have left my grocery bill because I'm partnering with Dina Lee. No, that's not it. Then who is it? Who have you broken up with well i've been broken up with by my hairdresser what what franco the wiggle the former wiggle franco torelli franco torelli left you he left you well i went to my most recent appointment and some random woman named tanya, who was perfectly lovely.

I'm sure she was. I walked in and she goes, hi, Mitchell, how are you? Just come on through for your shampoo. You know how you go to the basins first. And it's not unusual that someone else would do that and then I'd go and Franco would do the haircut. He's just the cut guy, right? Yeah.

And so anyway, she's shampooing my hair and she goes, and so I'm assuming you've heard. I said, heard what? She goes, oh, Franco resigned. Effective immediately. I was like, when did this happen? She goes, oh, a couple of days ago. And so we did try and call you.

We wanted to tell all these clients that were already booked in. And I was like, I never got a call. I later checked my call log. I did miss that call. They did. They did remit and let me know. Yep, you really should check it. And so I just had to let this random Tanya woman who is lovely,

but I've got no loyalty or attachment to her. I had to let her cut my hair. It was fine. She did a good job. And when I heard the news, I was kind of okay with it. It wasn't until I got home later that I was really surprised at how affected I was by that. Yeah.

Because it was a five-year relationship. Oh, wow. You have been to see Frank Hart for five years? No other person apart from Franco since I've had long hair has touched it. Wow. No one. Wow. Wow. No one. Wow. Wow.

That's huge, Mitchell. And he doesn't have social media. He used to tell me all the time, oh, I don't do that TikTok or Facebook. The only way I could contact him is Grindr. And so. Wait, is that how you message him? No, no, no. That's not how I message him.

But if I really wanted to get an answer, because that's the thing. I have no explanation. Has he gone to another job? Is there a way I can follow him? Yeah. Did you get the gossip? They didn't know. He didn't tell them.

Very secretive. They didn't know. Captain Featherswords after him. So I don't know. Has he gone overseas? Dorothy's trying to get some cash. And I can't stalk him online and find out where he's working now. He's just vanished from my life and I've got no way to get information or closure.

I can find him. What's his name? It's Franco Torelli, I've got no way to get information or closure. I can find him. What's his name? It's Franco Torelli, but he's not on social media. Do you think I haven't tried this? The only thing that comes up is Wigglepedia. Forgot about that. Just ask another of the Wiggles to get in contact. I'll just tweet Jeff and say hi.

Whatever happened to Franco? I saw the yellow Wiggle at Broadway Kmart the other week. Should have asked her. When? Last week. No, when did I ask? Shut up! Franco Torelli's not on LinkedIn.

You're right. I told you. Not on LinkedIn. And so I just felt really hurt that there was just no communication. Obviously, this relationship of five years didn't mean as much to him as it did to me. Oh, Mitchell. That is absolutely upsetting. I've just got no way.

He's just vanished from my life. I've got no way of ever speaking to him again. Also, I'm not going to be rude. This isn't me being rude to you. But you're not that complicated of a cut. I mean, what do you get? No, I'm being – I'm not being rude. Have you ever had long hair, darling?

No, but – It's actually pretty complicated. Oh, what do you get? I'm not being I'm not being Have you ever had long hair darling? No but It's actually pretty complicated Oh And I was working with Franco To grow out some layers I didn't want anymore And Tanya recut them Oh

Show me What did she touch? Oh it's all wet now That's You probably won't be able to tell But what did What is your haircut? Just to trim off the ends

It's just so much more complicated than that. And I don't think you understand. You wouldn't understand. It's about trust. I do understand. In the same way that like, oh, what's a car mechanic servicing? You know, it's the same shit no matter where you go. But it makes a huge difference which mechanic you get.

I know. And which one you open your heart to and dare trust. I told you. Did I speak about it on this podcast or one of my 19 other audio shows that I broke up with my hairdresser Juanita after nine years. Yeah. So you've got the power in that situation. Yeah, I left her.

You also broke up with your boyfriend. So that's why I'm saying that what I'm going through is drastically worse. It's worse. Oh, because you're the breaker you've been broken up with. He just disappeared from my life like I was nothing to him. I'm going to challenge the idiots. Frankard? What's his name? Franco. Franco? broken up with he just disappeared from my life like i was nothing to him i'm gonna challenge the idiots frank card what's his name franco franco his full name's francesco but franco franco torelli deep dive let's find this bitch and let's get him to cut your hair until he dies

i don't even need that from him i just just need closure. I need to know what happened. I think he's into drugs. No, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. Where did that come from? Maybe he's in prison. The only reason you resign effective immediately is if you've touched someone, you've been touched or the police are after you. I think he might have just been over it.

Or maybe he's going travelling. I don't know. I don't know. I don't have the answer. Where's the salon? Well, that's the the thing i'm now torn about what to do because the only reason i kept driving back to five doc which i have not lived there for years yes the only reason i was going out of my way like a half hour commute to five doc was because i had that relationship established with franco yeah and now i don't know what to do.

Do I remain loyal to that business with a different haircut? Because it's not Tanya's fault that I feel jaded and bitter about this divorce. No. Or is now the time to find a new hairdresser? Find a new hairdresser. No, we need to find Franco. You need to leave, Mitch. You need to get out of there.

Really? But I love cello hairdressers. They're so lovely. Is that what they're called? They don't fucking charge me. They charge me a men's cut, which is cheaper than a women's, and I've clearly got women's hair. That's so funny.

I'd stay. I'd stay perfect. I've got Grindr now. So where do you think he lives? I think he lives around the suburb, but I actually don't know. Okay. I'm going to – because you can move your location. So I'm moving my location to Five Doc.

What's his age bracket? Is it on Wigglepedia? I don't know. I would say like 50s or 60s. Okay. I might just do 50 to 100 just to be safe. Jenna, if you can Google in the meantime. Can you go on Wigglepedia?

I need to find Frank. I don't think you're quite treating this with the empathy it deserves, by the way. I'm shattered. No, no, no. I know you are, and I hate to make – What do I do? Because in eight weeks when I need a new trim, what am I going to do?

Mitchell, if there's one thing that there's a surplus of in this world, it's hairdressers. You'll be fine. He was born in 1976. What does that mean? How old is he? 40, 50, in his 50s. Look at Jenna furiously Googling because she also can't do maths.

I love it. He's 47. Oh, fuck. I said 50 or 60. He's never going to forgive me. But he's probably a bit shy, so I'm going to do 45. Do you know what? I think we can abort this mission because I was embarrassed to admit it,

Cheery, but I already tried to find him. No way. I needed closure. What did you use? use oh i just started a blank profile and i went to where i thought he might live and i couldn't find him so he's just lost without a trace and i just there's a hole in my heart oh mitchell sorry there's a hole in my hand i just got sent a photo i don't know if you guys have been through this clearly you haven't i'm interested to a photo. I don't know if you guys have been through this. Clearly you haven't. I'm interested to know, idiots listening, please let me know if you've also experienced the devastation of someone who provides a service and you trust them

and you have done for years. They know you. You trust them. You feel like you've got something going and then they just fucking vanish. Yeah, my optometrist just died and I can't go to that clinic anymore, which was really, it's actually very sad.

He was a lovely man. I haven't, I don't really need an optomet, which was really – it's actually very sad. He was a lovely man. Oh, that's sad. I haven't – I don't really need an optometrist as much as I need a hairdresser. I was going to say I've never seen you wear glasses. No, I get my eyes checked just for my brain condition. However, Mitchell, it's very stressful. There is another hairdresser out there for you. There is. There is.

But what if I'm not ready to move on? That's the thing. That's fine. You take your time. If you have to convince yourself that you might be with him again one day, that's fine. But I don't think I can convince myself of that because we're doing no contact by force.

I have no method of contacting him. No, I don't think that's really how that works. You don't need Francesca. You're better than him. I've seen you better than him. He did do me dirty, didn't he? He did. You know what didn't he? He did. You know what?

That's actually really rude. He should have texted all his clients. I'm going through all the stages of grief. I'm now at anger. I'm like, fuck him. That lasts a while. He just left me. Yeah, he didn't even think about you.

Mitchell, you don't want to go back to that. You deserve better. Think of all the things you said to me. Apply them to yourself. Yeah, okay. Okay? All right. Yeah, it's going to be an interesting time in the show because now we're both going through backups. Apply them to yourself Yeah okay Okay Alright Yeah it's going to be

An interesting time in the show Because now we're both Going through breakups No I think it's very different Actually and my breakup Is real And yours is fabricated No that's where you're wrong

I entirely disagree You're with Mitchell Yeah his is much worse Than yours Those who ponytail together Stay together Yeah exactly No worries

You both get the same cut Who's your hairdresser Frankie At That's a sign You could go to Frankie Yeah, exactly. No worries. You both get the same cut. Who's your hairdresser? Frankie. That's a sign. You could go to Frankie. She does the Veronica's hair. Have you seen the Veronica's hair?

She does the Veronica's hair. Yes. So interesting. Good for her. Their hair is so heat damaged. It is, and it's jet fucking black. And then one of them's gone blonde, which I wouldn't have advised that if I was Frankie. Whatever.

Anyway, I'm just hoping that you all spare a thought for me during this really difficult time. We're all sparing a thought. Yes. Put your hairbrushes out for Mitchell. Yeah, that's what I want. On your front door. Scissors out for Mitch.

Yeah, scissors out for Mitch. Scissors out for, no, for Franco. He could have been injured. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, scissors out for Mitch. Scissors out for, no, for Franco. He could have been injured. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Anyway, let's move on. Is it just me? Make sure you leave a review on your podcast app.

If you don't, you're a little bitch. All right, before we dive into Jenna's junk, can I just take a moment to acknowledge the fact that, Mitch, I don't know if you noticed. Yeah. Last week's Talk Back Tings live episode, Jenna was essentially fucking with us the whole time. It's true.

I've been, this has been brought to my attention, Jenna. This is disciplinary action, by the way. I'm not disciplining her. I thought it was fucking excellent. She did a great job. Thank you very much. Jenna was moderating the comments. So people were commenting to you, Jenna, what to say,

to slip words into the line. Yeah, so like fetish. But the thing is, she did it seamlessly. Like she didn't just randomly say the word fetish and we would go, what are you talking about? Like it was relevant at the time you were talking about sex or something. And what were the other ones? There was one where you said, oh, no, you need to redirect that energy.

Yes, redirect. Someone dared you to use that phrase and you slipped it in perfectly i was so i was actually quite proud of it thank you so much jenna fucking nailed that because it didn't disrupt the show we were none the wiser no and everyone watching online got a little kick out of it i was like that was fucking excellent i loved it a little boost because at one point someone commented just laugh hysterically at a random point and then you did and i, oh, we're very funny. There was one that I really wish you had have done. Someone dared you to just get up and like storm out as if we just really offended you.

Yeah, I got that too. But I was too lazy to get up. Yeah, I get that. That would have been a giveaway. But also, yeah, I think it's impressive that we didn't notice any of it. And it's so funny listening back to that episode being like, oh, my God. This whole time she was just fucking with us. And that person that called up asking about hemorrhoid cream,

that was discussed in the comments prior, wasn't it? You guys were slowly. It was funny. You planned that? It was so funny. Which is why she laughed ridiculously hard at it. That was my favourite part. Wait, you were in on that?

Yeah. I didn't know you were in on that. I'm telling you, the whole live stream she was fucking with us, but she did it so elegantly. It was actually amazing. That's my favourite part. Wait, you were in on that? Yeah. I didn't know you were in on that. I'm telling you, the whole live stream she was fucking with us, but she did it so elegantly. It was actually amazing. That's funny. I watch that back and I'm like, fuck, I fidget a lot. There was one video where I played with my nose nine times

like I was a fucking coke fiend in the 80s. I was like, who's on the lines? Disgusting. Do you know what I noticed? We're getting sidetracked again. This is going to be the longest episode ever. It's fine. We're loose.

We're from home. Do you know what I noticed? We're getting sidetracked again. This is going to be the longest episode ever. It's fine. We're loose. We're from home. Do you know what I noticed? What? I need to stop wearing my hair out when I do the podcast because I always touch my hair, flick my hair. It's almost like a fidget toy. Like I just need something to keep my hands busy. And so when I tie it up, I feel way calmer because I don't have anything to fiddle with.

I don't get distracted. God, I really just started bulging my feelings a lot today. Yeah, that was a real brain dump. That's all right. Speaking of brain dump, shall we take a little dive into the cool, cool waters of Jenna's Junk? Yeah, we better. Finally.

Let's go. Let's take a peek at Jenna's Junk, shall we? Yep, so Jenna's Junk is where all of our shit ideas go to die. If Mitch and I are thinking of something to talk about on the show, and is it just me that we do at the start of the episode, if we're thinking, that is it just me is fucking rubbish. We're not going to run that on the main show at the very start of the show, the make or break point.

We're not going to use that. So we chuck it in the junk and then, yeah, Jenna. Yeah. Stuffs the hand in there. Yeah. Has a good rummage in her own junk. There's a lot of junk in my trunk. It's been a while since we've – wow, that was really said so well. Thank you.

It's been a while since we've taken a dive in, so why don't you jump on in for us, Jenna? Yep, let's go. She brought the bin to my house. Has Isabella done another shit or is that your joke? Sorry about that. She brought the bin to my house. Has Isabella done another shit or is that your joke?

Sorry about that. Anyway, is it just me or did we stop saying little C, big C? Oh, that's my one. Yeah, what? Remember in primary school when someone's name was like McLaughlin? Yeah, gotcha. McLaughlin. They'd be like, M, little C, big C. But why would there be a big C in McLaughlin?

Because it's CC. But it's MCL. Yeah. Like McClouds. McClouds or McCallaghan or McDonald. I'm trying to think specifically a word that would have little C, big C. Like McConnell? Yeah, there you go.

Little C, big C. Little C, big C. But why is it Lil? Also, that's so interesting. Just put two fucking Cs. CCs. CCs doesn't have a little C. That would look so wrong.

Imagine McDonald's and the D wasn't capitalised. Oh, it'd be awful. It'd look wrong. Ew. McLeod's Daughters without the capital L. Oh, no, no, no. You need the capital L. Also, I was good friends with James McEwig.

Oh, they're perfect. Yeah. Big C, little C. You would have heard it all the fucking time. Yeah, so I always have to write his name for invites and birthday cards. So it was James, M-C-C-U-I-G. Little C, big C. I just haven't heard it all the fucking time. Yeah, so I always have to write his name for invites and birthday cards. So it was James MCCUIG, little C, big C. I just haven't heard it as an adult. Sorry, that was just a fleeting thought that they're gone.

What else is in the junk, Jenna? I'm back in. She's back in. Don't hurt yourself. Ow. Ow. Okay. Is it just me or do you wear AirPods with nothing playing?

Oh, that's mine. I have it. I do, yeah. Yeah, because I've been going for my hot girl walk. Well done, good boy. I've noticed that sometimes I'll put the AirPods in out of habit and then I'll go for half an hour, 40-minute walk and just didn't put anything on the whole time

because I couldn't be bothered deciding on a podcast or deciding on a song. And yet the idea of walking without airpods in i would just feel naked yeah it just feels wrong yeah i feel you i um i feel like i'm a raw dog in the world when i'm walking through with nothing i'm like this is there's so much going on um but i recently you know what's funny look at my phone ready i don't think i've shown you this look what i did see the back of it holy fuck what did you do? It's so smashed. It's shattered. You never would have thought to put a screen protector on the back, right? No.

You didn't think that would be a problem? No. I have gotten so addicted to playing podcasts and music when I'm doing everything that I play them in the shower. And I shower for five minutes. But I play a podcast. Anyway, it reached critical mass. I put it on the shower shelf and it fell over in the bathroom. Shattered.

And now I've stopped because I was trying to, maybe it'd be the stress of the breakup or whatever's going on, but I need to like play something to keep my mind distracted. So recently in my hot girl walks, I've been walking with just AirPods in nothing playing to like connect with the earth. Yeah. It's kind of nice when I can't be bothered deciding on something to

actually just go for a wander with nothing playing. It just feels like a decluttering. It feels kind of comforting having them in. Yeah, I find it a little bit scary that I've become so AirPod dependent. Like, I don't know why, I just feel like I need them in, even if they're not playing anything. Especially, oh, there's nothing worse if I've got a night out and my AirPods go flat.

The Uber drive home, oh, my God, it just feels so – it's like the longest ride ever if I don't have AirPods to listen to something during the Uber drive home. Nothing worse. You get the death. Oh, it kills me. I don't even get that anymore. They just die suddenly. Fucking bitches. I know.

Anyway, sorry. I'm bitching again. Jump back in the junk, please. I need to get back in. It's so much junk, Jenna. Yeah, we'll just go with this. Is it just me or does the term most livable city get thrown around a lot? Oh, that's another one of mine.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you. I was watching this show on, fuck, which one was it? I think it was Binge. Fascinating show. You should all check it out. It's called Australia from Above. Oh, okay.

And it's basically just like a documentary but all drone footage. They've got like five episodes. I think it's Tasmania, WA, Sydney. There's one that's just called The Outback, which I found fascinating. And it's really interesting, just beautiful drone footage with a voiceover, giving you fun facts and stuff. Yeah. Every single place they showed me on that fucking show would be like,

and Perth is considered one of the world's most livable cities I was like, is it just? I thought that was Melbourne Yeah, I thought Melbourne Hobart is considered one of the world's most livable cities I was like, right, okay And then when it got to Sydney and said Sydney is one of the world's most livable cities

I was like, okay, hang on Hold on If you're fucking loaded maybe the thing is by definition all you need to be considered a livable city is a fucking piece of bread a bowl of water and a roof over your head yeah if you can survive not even that and like what constitutes most livable cities like is there a least livable city actually jenna can you google that what is the world's least livable city it It'd be ranked by crime rate, I'd say. You reckon? Yeah, like it'd be like, yeah, it'd be

somewhere. Okay, Tehran in Iran. Yes, that fucking checks out. Wait, what was it? Tehran in Iran. Oh, okay, that makes sense. Actually, I feel bad for bringing it up now. That is probably the least livable. Douala in Cameroon, Harare in Zimbabwe, Dhaka in Bangladesh. Does it say

why? Port Moresby. I mean, it'd be awful for us gays in any of those places. Yeah. We'd be beheaded on arrival. Yeah. I'd love to visit Abu Dhabi if it weren't for the fact that it's illegal to be gay there. I don't think I'll ever go there.

It's not suitable for human habitation due to factors such as poor living conditions, lack of access to basic needs and reduced quality of life. So high crime rates, poor air, water quality, lack of affordable housing. I feel bad for bringing it up now. I know you feel bad. All right. Anyway. I'm going back in my bin.

Your junk sounds very hollow, Jenna. So much echo. Trust me, it's not hollow. It's mostly full. Is it just me or should we stop hiding our talents? This is me because someone said to me this week, you got any hidden talents? And I said, babe, I monetise everything I do.

Yeah. If I had a hidden talent, you best believe it'd be on show. Oh, absolutely. In this economy, I ain't hiding shit. If I got a talent, i'm putting it on a on a radio show i'm putting it on social media i'm podcasting it and anyone listening you go for one walk and all of a sudden you got merch yes it's so true people out there if you're waiting if you're sitting on a hidden talent fucking milk it it should not be hidden should not be hidden

unless it's like oh i can drink a glass of wine with my toes. Like maybe that's for the parties. I'd be showing that off. Great talent. Like, do you know what I mean? Just take some agency. Hidden talents is outdated and it's built by the patriarchy to keep us down. Well said.

What hidden talents do you guys have? Let's see. Let's brainstorm. Let's get some out. I don't know. What hidden talents do I have? You're the same as me. You monetize it all.

I mean, I like to think I'm pretty good at polities and bar, but I've already shown that off to you guys. Yeah, that's true. That's not hidden. Our darling podcast listeners will be able to witness that talent in next week. True. Jenna, your hidden talent is you're quite homely.

Is that hidden? That's more of a personality trait. Yeah, true. Talent. I'm trying to think. I bet that I'm going to have a stupid party trick that I'll remember later and go, fuck, I should have thought of that on the podcast, but I just don't think there is any.

I could do this. I don't think I've ever shown you this. Look at me in the eyes, guys. Ready? Oh, yuck. Oh, yeah. I can shake my eyes like an earthquake. No money is being made off that.

But if anyone is interested, maybe Questacon want me to stand in the – Oh, I can twist my arm. All right, show us. Look, okay. Oh. I can't see. Can you describe it, Mitchell? Basically her elbow that normally you would use to elbow someone in the ribs,

she can twist it and make that all the way around the other side. Do that again. Oh! Can you then bend it the wrong way? Can you bend your arm? That's, oh, that looks so wrong. Jenna, that's incredible. It's like that scene out of Harry Potter.

Oh, where they drink the slug juice. Yes, that's exactly what that looked like. Jenna's arm was going the wrong way. I take that back. That needs to be remade. Is that a hidden talent or some sort of deformity? I don't know. You belong in the city of Cameroon.

That's horrific. All right. Well, that's just my point. I can whistle. In this economy. Oh, God. Do it. Go for it.

Give me a song. Bad Romance. I need to get back into my junk. I thought we weren't hiding talents anymore. You just shut mine down. Assholes. Let's get, okay. Okay.

Is it just me or is the Back Pocket the superior podcast? Someone had auto-correct. Not me. That was mine. I clearly belonged to the junk i that was a fleeting thought that i used siri for clearly i never use my back pockets what if i want to sit down mitchell as was i i was i was so scared of using the back pocket i was scared of sitting on my phone i was scared of losing items but now i live for my back pocket. It's just so much easier. You put your phone in, you slide it out. You pull it in, you pull it out.

Hold keys, AirPods. Then you fucking sit on it and you feel it. I mean, you've felt things in your ass before. You know it's there. Well, I have, but not the cheek. No, you sit and you go, oh, my phone's out. You pull it out. It's fine.

I've never had a problem. But then you have to pull it out. If you put it in the side pocket, you can just leave it there, set and forget. How hard is it to pull your phone out of your side pocket when you're sitting? Terrible. It's terrible. It's terrible.

You'd have to do a lot of scooching if you're already sitting on the phone to be like, oh, whoops. Listen, if you're out and about and you've got your phone in your earphones and your keys, use your back pocket. It's incredible. Well, Jen is a woman, so none of her clothes have pockets. So she'd love to put shit in her back pocket. Are they props?

There's usually no pocket. Yeah. But also they'll have the little line of stitching to make it look like women's jeans have pockets but they fucking don't that's why they will have handbags that's so stupid it was tell me about it wow okay i'm bored you know all right sorry it's getting empty okay okay i'll do one more um is it just me or is there no need to ask someone's name when you're the only customer at the cafe? Oh, this is mine. But you were there, Mitchell.

This is when I went and visited you in the Shire. Oh, thanks. And we went to some cafe and we were the only bastards there. Yeah. The only people. And the waitress goes, yeah, can I get a name for that? And I was like, sure sure it's mitchell and i didn't wander far it took her all of 30 seconds to make one coffee because i was the

only person there making an order and she goes mitchell i was like that was just so unnecessary oh what else would she have done hey hon just go and here's your coffee there you go because most cafes do that if they're if you're the only, they don't need to get your name and all that shit. They don't need to yell. And they just remember. They go, here, all done. But this chick was just so by the book, sticking to the procedure, getting my name and then shouting, Mitch! You're actually causing a fucking scene for no reason.

Also, Mitch was such a bitch to her after. He ordered a salad. I actually wasn't. He was like, I want the croutons on the side and then I want the dressing on the top. No, that was later when we went to lunch and I was being a bit of a diva about it. No, you weren't. You've taught me. Mitch gets his croutons on the side.

Now I get my croutons on the side. Smart. Actually, no. I was going to get no croutons, but then I was like, I'll donate them to Mitchell. And I ate his croutons. I was like, can I get croutons on the side, please? But I get the dressing on the side so that they don't lather it. That's good.

Yeah. And you can dip your chicken in it. Yeah. All right. Is your junk empty? Still full, but I couldn't be bothered doing it all. Yeah, we'll get to the rest another day, I'm sure. We should probably go, shouldn't we?

We probably should. Of course, we'll be back next week. Gina Liano's on, like we've mentioned. Yeah, and then the Hobby Hunt is kicking off. Officially underway. The inaugural, and it is not annual. It is just inaugural. Next week, we'll be bringing you the bar class that I dragged you guys along to.

The reason that we're all limping and sore today. Very sore. I feel like we need, like, we can't officially kick off the Hobby Hunt next week unless we have some sort of fun jingle, now that we're making it a thing. Like Jenna's Junk has the fun sound effects. We need like a Hobby Hunt jingle. Hobby Hunt. Oh, Pokemon.

Instead of Pokemon. Yeah. Pokemon. Hobby Hunt. Gotta catch up, gotta do them all for me and you. Okay, hang on. Stop the, yep, stop the closing music. Oh, we're going to do this now, eh?

Oh, we may as well. We've already blown out. Put Pokemon on. Pokemon theme song instrumental? That's going to go for fucking ever. Is it? Oh, yeah. Go to the hump.

You know, the YouTube hump? The wave? Oh, I'm going to the hump at the very end? Yeah. Yeah. Teach me and I'll teach you It's Hobby Hunt Hobby Hunt Gotta try again more Hobby Hunt

I think we nailed that. Did we just find a jingle? We just found a jingle. Any other ideas, Mitch? I don't know. Did we need? I think that's it. I'm shocked.

Why are we so brilliant? We're so good. Our mind, guys. Can you not, Mitchell, though? We're not going to go to a studio and record that. That is what it will be. Raw. I'm glad that's sorted.

Any others? I like that one. I mean, we might as well have a plan B. What else works with Hobby Hunt? I was listening to Chromatic driving here. What about Babylon? That's a bit abstract. Babylon for your life.

It's not as well known. Hobby, hobby, hobby hunt. What about like... Her name's a bit mud at the moment, but Lizzo, about damn time. Okay. Alright. It's a hobby hunt.

Yeah, play it. Alright, we'll give that a go. We don't support Lizzo or her fat phobia. No. Allegedly. I just typed in hobby hunt instrumental or her fat phobia. No. Allegedly. I just typed in Hobby Hunt instrumental for fuck's sake. I need a nap. The problem with an instrumental is I don't know at what point.

It's about time. So when she goes, it's about damn time. Bitch. Ready? Ready? It's the Hobby Hunt. No, no, no. Oh, ready?

It's the Hobby Hunt. Ooh. That's a nice bed when we start talking. It's good, but I'm sorry, we can't support her. Okay. We can't. I'm trying to think. It's the hobby hunt. What about my humps?

Hobby, hobby, hobby, hobby hunt. My lovely hobby hunt. Check it out. Check it out. What about Paradise by Coldplay? But it's hobby, hobby, hobby hunt. Hobby, hobby, hobby hunt. Yeah, that's great.

Okay, wait, I'll get the instrumental. We can just record this now. Although I reckon the Pokemon one might be the winner. I agree. Yeah. But this is worth a try. First idea. Oh, this is a beautiful song. Okay.

When it kicks in with the that's when we start. Ready? It's a violin bit. Oh. This is us putting on our Hobby Hunt Pilates gear. Not yet.

Oh. Ready? This is us putting on our Hobby Hunt Pilates gear. Not yet. Oh. Are you ready? Hurry up. Here we go. Hobby, Hobby, Hobby Hunt. Hobby, Hobby, Hobby Hunt. Hobby, Hobby, Hobby Hunt.

Hobby Hunt. My neighbours must be so confused about what's going on in here. Hobby, hobby hunt, hobby hunt. My neighbours must be so confused about what's going on in here. All right, which one do you vote? Oh, that's tough. Well, we're trying multiple hobbies. So why don't we just – A different intro every week. Different intro for every hobby. Okay, well, we've got a few to work with now.

Yeah. We're starting with Pilates and that is next week. This is the longest episode ever. Bar, I think you'll find. Oh with now. Yeah. We're starting with Pilates, and that is next week. This is the longest episode ever. Bar, I think you'll find. Oh, sorry. Bar. I got so in trouble by your doctor, whatever her name is. My instructor.

Your physician. Yeah, Al. All right, that's next week. Thank you for having us in your house, Mitch. Oh, any time, darling. Yeah, we got you. Any time. Oh, can I just say something selfishly?

Do you mind? Well, you've never asked permission before, so go on. Well, never have I had the chance. I will say, podcast exclusive, Hot Girl Walk merch is being made. Amazing. Yeah, sorry. I made a joke about you making merch before and then I went, oh, I fucked his announcement. No, you're right.

I basically teased to it. But I'm getting Hot Girl Walk t-shirt made. Fabulous. I want one. Do you have all the details yet about where people can buy it? Not yet, not yet. Okay. So I'm getting sent a sample next week, and if I like it, then I'm going to promote it.

And I'm working with the guys at Grey Lines, who we've worked with. Oh, they're great. Oh, gorgeous. Yeah, and there'll be a pre-order. So you won't get them for like five, six weeks. Well, that's even better, because Grey Lines usually send me free shit. I'll just get one. That's what they said.

They go, we need to send them to some creators. I'm like, oh, don't worry. Don't be silly, honey. I'll pay for one. No, don't. No. No, no. Anyway, I just wanted to say that if you're enjoying the hot girl walks,

can't speak, T-shirts are coming. Great. We will see you guys next week for the initial, are we going to sing it? The inaugural. The inaugural. Hobby. Hobby. Hobby hunt.

Hobby. Hobby. Hobby hunt. Yeah, we'll see you for that., Hobby, Hobby, Hobby. Yeah, we'll see you for that. See you next week, guys. Catch ya. Bye. Is it just me?

A podcast by a couple of mitches. Make sure you've hit follow on your podcaster app. Welcome to ADD Brief. This is our secret segment on the end. Yeah. We keep talking shit, even though apparently we haven't done enough talking shit today. How long has this podcast been? I can't see the timer.

It's been well over an hour. Fuck. Well over. It's supposed to be an hour episode, but I don't think it's been an hour bang on for fucking months It's always an hour, ten minutes or whatever But I'm like, whatever, who cares Fuck it I've lost my phone See, it's in my back fucking pocket

I retract that I can't hold it Now it's shattered Also, we are recording So don't get distracted on your phone, mate No, I just want to get comfortable Hold on, I'm going to readjust I have been so comfortable this whole time

I don't know if the microphone is going to pick up any fidgeting, but I have not had a mic stand. I'm holding my mic this whole time. It feels quite nice. I'm impressed. I'm enjoying it. And so we're back in the studio next week, right? Yes, you're right.

Actually, I just remembered. I don't know if I've told you guys this, but I'm away next week, so I'm going to be dialing in remotely. Where are you? Where are you going? I'm just going back to Bogangate. Oh. Just for a bit of shush.

Mum and dad aren't even there. They're overseas. Are you going with Sean? No, he's going to be back at work, but one of our family friends, Sean, will be there. And we've told mum and dad that we're going to look after the farm. Oh, I won't be doing that. I'm just going home.

I need a bit of shush. There's just a lot of clutter at the moment. Yeah, I feel that. I feel that. Well, I'm going to Melbourne next need a bit of shush There's just a lot of clutter At the moment Yeah I feel that I feel that Well I'm going to Melbourne next week Oh are you? Are you going to be there When we podcast?

Maybe What day are you going? Potentially Thursday night But we normally Oh okay So we should be okay That's alright Thursday, Friday, Saturday

So any Melbourne idiots Hello Hey You know what I hate When people go Melbourne I'm in you Oh yeah Melbourne I'm going to be Inside you this weekend Or the Inst, Melbourne, I'm in you. Oh, yeah. Melbourne, I'm going to be inside you this weekend.

Or the Insta story, Melbourne, I'm in you. Shut the fuck up. Imagine. What? If Sean said that to me. Oh, don't. Mitchell, I'm in you. Tagged location, your bus.

See, I was going to say imagine if you said that to Hayden, but I was like, oh, too soon. Oh, yeah, too soon. Anyway. Now I'm sad. Thanks, I was going to say imagine if you said that to Hayden, but I was like, oh, too soon. Too soon. Anyway. Now I'm sad. Thanks, guys. I'm joking. I'm joking.

I'm actually joking. It's fine. It's the group therapy episode, so you can share your feelings here. I'm actually doing better than I was. Good. I was doing better, yeah. Alexa, play I'm Good by Wafia. Oh, that's a good song.

Did you see in the group that people were saying, oh, fuck yeah, that song's a banger when we played it? Yeah. Yeah, it's my favourite song and I'm not even going through a fucking break. No, it's amazing. It's so good. I've stopped listening to sad songs. I'll tell you what, though. I've never wanted to fuck an ex more than after listening to Olivia Rodrigo's new song.

What do you mean? It's a bad idea, right? It's a bad idea, right? Is that the vampire one? Something like that. No, she released the second single from that album. Oh, and is it about going back to your ex? mean it's a bad idea right it's a bad idea right is that the vampire one asshole something like that no she released the second single from that oh and is it about going back to your ex yeah it's about going and fucking your ex yeah oh god olivia's got in your head you're like good idea live no i don't she's like i only see him as a friend biggest lie i ever said i don't feel that

you need to go back to your ex anyway i hope you don't mind me sharing this little bit of information no i'm not going back to my ex let's's just say that. Please. Yeah, no. What I'm about to say is that. What are you going to say? After we finished the bar class the other day. Yeah. I plugged your phone into my laptop so that I could download the footage. Because we had. Oh, no.

Jenna's phone was filming her on a tripod. I had my phone on me. You had your phone on you. And so, I needed to get your footage. I plugged it into the laptop to upload it to the photos app on my mac so I could have the footage for the edit and my god I got the shock of my life when I saw your camera roll I was like oh that's more of Mitch Cherry than I was supposed to say they're not for my eyes and so I really politely I don't know if you noticed yeah but I really politely turned to you and said,

hey, I don't want to go through your camera roll in case there's anything I'm not supposed to see so can you just hit upload on the footage from today please? That's all I need you to do because I don't want to look through your phone. Bet it was too late. I'd already seen it. Well, they weren't my nudes. Oh, thank God.

You didn't see me. Oh, thank God. No, because I don't know. They're not my nudes. Because I was like, oh, no, these weren't for my eyes. I've seen more of Mitch Cherry than he ever intended me to. Surely you'd see that. I mean, you know.

Well, no, it was a very swift reaction from me. Like your camera opened and I was like, flesh. And then I just turned away because I was like, I'm not supposed to see this. You need an iPad to see my nudes. Whose fucking nudes were they? Just someone I'm talking to. Why the fuck were they in your camera roll? No, okay okay like i think you're supposed to have a hidden folder or something like these nudes were just in your camera like it was a photo of your fucking brunch

alongside pictures of you with your hot girl walk and the footage of you at pilates then just a hole i did eat it out like at my lunch oh my god sorry I didn't I didn't sauce on the side no no no right on top no what happened was it's actually a terrible story so they A

let me just preface this by saying they are in my hidden folder but when you when you sync your phone to your Mac it doesn't give a shit about folders

everything's just in one pile gotcha gotcha gotcha but two is so we messaged we're messaging on Instagram and then they were like oh it's like like it was getting heated and they were like, oh, it was getting

heated. And they were like, oh, send some photos. And I was like, I'm not going to get my nudes leaked. I ain't sending you shit. And they're like, let's go on Snapchat. I'm like, I don't do Snapchat. I'm 27. Please.

Yeah. Is it just me on the fly? Or does Snapchat have like 19 year old energy? Yeah, it does. Whenever I find out like friends of mine that are grown-ass adults, like in their 30s and they still use Snapchat, I'm like, I don't know why. It just feels like I aged out of it.

Why didn't you? I have Snapchat because my mum and my parents, my family, our group chat's on Snapchat. Really? It's a weird thing because my mum loves it. That's weird. They love it. My mum sends video messages like, how's everyone's day?

There's just so many other options, Michelle. There's WhatsApp, there's Messenger. It's the one system they've got used to, so we're keeping them on it because they get confused by everything. So you've got Snapchat for your parents and for random nudes. Gotcha. So this twink was like, let me just go to Snapchat and make fun. So then we were just talking and then they were like, send a photo.

And I was like, oh, this is fun. And then I'm like – And they disappear on Snapchat. Yes, they last for 10 seconds. So then they sent the photo and I was like, oh, this is such a shame because I wish I had these. These are great photos. And then they were like, oh, just save them.

You're like, can you burn it for me on a disc? I was like, yeah, can you put this onto a floppy disk for me? So he said, just save them. And I was like, okay, cool. How do I do that? So then he goes, I um oh here i'll send you a practice nude and then i'll walk you through it so he goes don't open this one so he sent me this nude i'm like a fucking boomer at an apple genius bar and he had to coach you on how to save

the nude and then there's a practice and he was just taking it and he's like all right open it then tap the three buttons in it save to chat and then i'm like it's not working for me he went let me google so then he googled came back two minutes later and was like i think you need to update into settings so go to settings snapchat ios permissions i'm like my erections didn't just texted it to you yeah do you not have numbers i don't have his number so then i'm like oh fuck so i'm like don't worry he goes just just screenshot them i want you to have them i'm like you want me to screenshot them? He's like, yeah, I'll screenshot yours.

So we screenshot. So that's why they were in my camera roll. Okay. Yeah. Oh, I don't want people to think I'm a creep. I'm just having fun. No, no, no. I didn't think you were a creep, but I did get a shock when they were in your camera

roll, like they were just a normal photo. But now I get it. No, they're in my hidden folder, my wank bank. But you know what? It's funny. I'm open to them. Do they have hidden folders just on your normal iPhone now? Yeah, I'll show you.

You need my face to get into it. So if you go to your camera already and you go to photos and then you go to all the way down, hidden. Oh, you just opened the hidden folders in front of us for God's sake. No, no, no. I'm going to cover my camera. Yeah, so I've just got stuff in there. But I have never taken a nude either.

He didn't want a nude. Really? Yeah, nothing. He didn't want one? No. Did you offer? Yep. And he said, nah, I'm right.

That's insulting. No, I'm more into like the chat was dirty. Oh. Yeah. Prove it. How dirty are we talking? No, I don't want to do this in front of Jenna. Why?

Jenna, get out. No, like because- I'm only intrigued because I wouldn't know how to talk dirty. Imagine me. Listen, my strength is like the chat. I feel I've got good game, I think. Yeah. My strength is not.

Jenna. Yeah. I won't believe it until I've read it. Mitchell, I've told you what I say in the bedroom before. Yeah, but we weren't telling people about that time we fucked. I've heard it with my own ears. You're a good boy. There you go. Okay in the bedroom before. Yeah, but we weren't telling people about that time we fucked. I've heard it with my own ears. You're a good boy. There you go.

Okay, that's enough, please. Good boy. Yeah, I like that. It's hot in here. Do you give him a scratch behind the ears as well? Yeah, I give him a fucking one cup of – Big stretch. Big stretch.

Shut up. Big yaw. Wait till I start dating. This podcast is going to be in for a wild ride. I can't wait. I'm getting there. I don't want to date. I don't want to partner.

You know what I want? And I don't think I'm ready to announce it. But I think I'm going to just go out and be a bit of a, be, you know, gay for a bit. A whore. I don't know about that. I don't know. I haven't decided. Well, that's a fantastic point.

What is the plan with this twink whose hole I've seen? Are you going to pork him this weekend? Oh, you did not. No, I've got dinner with Rebel Wilson this weekend, so I can't. Oh, well, that's a real shame. Don't you hate it when you've got a grinder hookup but you have to fucking go to dinner with Rebel Wilson? Can you believe that this is a conversation?

If I had a dollar, like seriously. Every single time. Can you believe that was a conversation we just had and it's real? Are you going to pork this grindered twink on the weekend? No, I've got dinner with Rebel Wilson. What do you mean you've got dinner with Rebel Wilson? I love how you didn't question that. She's mutual friends with my friend and we're all going to dinner.

Which friend? Brittany Hockley, who is my radio co-host on The Pickup, is having a birthday dinner. And we're going to get it. There's like five people going. Rebel, her sister, Mylanta and Anarchy. cuff. Yeah. He's having a birthday dinner and we're going to get it. It's like five people going rebel, her sister, my lantern and anarchy.

And then not tyranny. Yeah. Yeah. That's her sister's name. Is it actually? Yeah. There's rebel. Can you Google it?

Jenna? Yeah. There's rebel. There is anarchy. We call it Anna. I know. And it's similar. Yeah.

Same age to us. We just call her Ann. Yeah, of course. Then there is a velociraptor Wilson. She's really testy. Okay, so there's Anna Key. Yep, I know Anna.

Lovely. Anna is a beautiful person. Another sister, Liberty. Yep, Liberty. And a brother called Riot. Riot. They've got a cousin called Trespass. You know who I met, though?

Yeah. When I last met Rebel. Her mum biohazard. Div Rebel? Her mum biohazard. Divorced, so biohazard. Oh, well, if you're catching up with Rebel on the weekend, can you ask her how her great aunt insider trading is doing? She's a lovely lady. She's good, though, but that's only because she divorced vehicular manslaughter.

She left him. Doctor vehicular manslaughterlaughter I think you'll find Professor Yeah Anyway I hate you so much I'm not porking these twinks Are you going to make Rebel aware

Of the fucking sacrifice Can you tell her That I'm not fucking a twink But also you've got all weekend What's the go Bring him over No Because I don't know

Why don't you invite him To the Rebel Wilson dinner No Oh did she not give you a plus one? What a bitch. No. It's actually not Rebels dinner. I'm just remembering.

Yeah. It's not Rebels. It's Britney's. Is she bringing the bub? I don't want to talk about this. No. You brought it up. You brought it up.

No, I just asked if you're going to pork the twink, which is not a question. If you told me this time last year I'd be asking you that question, I'd just. Sam, isn't that sad? It's fun. I'll report back. It's fun or'd just... Same. Isn't that sad? It's fun. I'll report back. It's fun or it's fine?

I'm talking... I said it's fun and fine. But I'm talking to you like I would any of my other single friends who I live vicariously through now. It's interesting. I love it. It's true. You know what's funny, though?

This is a serious conversation for gays out there listening, for people that are having sex, gay sex. No, the gays don't like us. They're not listening. No, yeah, true. You've got the lesbians. Yeah. Church goers, true. You've got the lesbians. Church goers mostly.

I think I might have to look at PrEP because I've never had to have that conversation in my life. So I'm going to have to – I will. This is amazing. Life-saving drug stops you transmitting or getting HIV. But I just can't believe that that's something that I'm doing. It's wild. Yeah, but you know what Sean told me?

Because he was on PrEP before we got together. He felt like he had to get bang for his buck. And so he just felt compelled to root more because otherwise it's just a waste of going to the chemist. If I've gone this medication, I'm not actually having unsafe sex. What am I even paying for it for? No, I get that. You know what you can do, though? You can disco dose.

You know what disco dosing is? That's not like the medical term, by the way. Gladys Berejiklian is not like, you know, telling everyone to – no, who is it? Mandatory disco dosing. Who's the Minister for Health? Kerry Chan. Kerry Chan. I don't think – is she in that job anymore?

No, she resigned, I think. Rightly so. Disco dosing is when you can take it – because you don't have to take it all the time. It's just for when you're having sex. So, say, for example, I've lined up a tweet on a Sunday. I take it two hours, minimum of two hours before. Oh, that's fine then. No, I'm not done.

Minimum of two hours before, or if you're porking that night, you take it in the morning with your, with your crumper. Then you take one. Now don't take this for Bible cause I'm not 100% sure yet. Um, then you take one 24 hours after and then one exactly 24 hours after that. Oh, okay. It's like a morning after pill. Yes.

Maybe one directly after sex. I'm not sure. Sounds like a lot of fucking admin, actually. Yeah, a lot. Yeah, but for me, someone who doesn't have a high pork drive, more into lean, so to speak, I think that could work better for me because I'll just do it case by case. I'll have sex once a month. Anyway.

Sean on prep. Yeah, so. Which is a wild thought. I know, right? It just seems so out of character. Yeah. He's so unassuming. Anyway. Sean on prep. Yeah. Which is a wild thought. I know, right? It just seems so out of character. He's so unassuming. We compared numbers once, as in people we've slept with before, and I was fucking shocked.

Really? At how many? He's a gorgeous boy. You've done well. He's struck gold. But also he was a late bloomer. He didn't come out of the closet until he was 24. So we had some fucking lost time to make up for.

Well, same. That's where I'm at now. Shit, I've got to get Sean's number. Actually, sorry. You're not fucking my boyfriend. I'm not going to fuck Sean. What, are we going to do a sword fight? No, this is cute actually.

That can be fun. The audience will love it. I'm down for that. Sean called me the other night because I was having a down night. Oh, that's so nice. And he called me out of the blue. Yeah. It was really nice.

He gave me life advice. Have you had a threesome? No. Yeah, nor have I. I feel like it'd be just too much to think about for me. I mean, don't knock it till you try. But I don't see that happening in my insurance relationship. I'm not interested in that.

Yeah, I'd have to be comfortable. I need to be comfortable with the person in order to get my clothes off. So I'd have to double that and be comfortable with two different people. It's too much. Too much. No, no. i couldn't do it i don't think yeah i will say that like we were talking about before the exposure therapy like posting full body stuff so that you get over that struggle for you um i was like that ages ago but then i don't know i just got to a point where i was like fuck it i used to get nervous taking my clothes off in front of people but by the time i met sean i was like, you get what you get

and you don't get upset. Oh, yeah. I just was so – I don't know what switched in my brain, but I was just like, fuck it. Who cares? You gave me this advice and some other people have when I'm like talking to people and they're interested and it like gets to a point of like, what are we going to do?

I'm like, I don't want them to see me naked. They're going to think I'm fat and ugly, which is my issue yeah that's that's what i get they're my thoughts but you and other people have been like you're not i'm not like a hermit like i'm my body is out there like they they go on my profile like they know what i look like you know but in my head they just see me from the chin up and like i'm gonna take my top off and they're gonna be shocked that there's man boobs there like no they know who i am of course they're gonna know that there's some and also most people in my experience aren't actually that awful like no one if you took your top off no one's ever gonna go oh no thanks yeah exactly that's true actually that's a very

good point like the people aren't that awful on grinder before you meet up they're awful people but once they've agreed to the meetup anything goes yeah anyway you know what i'm not liking grinder no i've i've i don't like it it's um i don't know but i i'm leaning towards i i'm learning more about me which is why this experience has been great yeah like sean i came out at 23 and i went straight into hayden, so to speak. And- Oh, mate, nice to meet you. Straight in. Straight in. Luba. Bendova.

And I've never had that experience. But I feel like I'm going to lean towards liking relationship sex better. I just prefer it. Yeah, I agree. I was single for ages, as you would recall. And it was never for me. I preferred to at least go on a date or something. I mean, there were a couple of times that I met people at the club and stuff

and went home with them and just had a one-night stand. But I think that's different. You're sort of swept up in the moment. I couldn't connect with people on Grindr. I haven't done that yet. That could be fun. It is. I've not done that.

Yeah. I mean, again, not heaps. I've compared numbers with Sean. He's way more. Good on him. Yeah. Might have to call him again for some tips. Yeah. Yeah. I'll send him some not heaps. I've compared numbers with Sean. He's way more. Good on him. Yeah. Might have to call him again for some tips. Yeah.

Yeah. I'll send him some pics for payment, you know. The only time I've had a one-night stand with someone that I met online was the one that turned out to be an enduring idiot. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And he actually – it was on Instagram, not Grindr.

But it was the same concept. It was like, do you want to come over? I was like, all right. I did. And then he blocked me and he probably doesn't listen anymore. So it was obviously a really good fuck from me. Wait, he blocked you after the fuck? I would say like a couple of months after.

Yeah. I wonder why. Do you think I need to sleep with a fan? I think it's only even. We have to do everything in equals. I mean, if it's going to be even and equal, you have to not know they were a fan. You didn't know until after?

He was very vague about it. He goes, oh yeah, so you do like a podcast, right? I think my sister listens. It wasn't until after we fucked that he elaborated that he'd bought merch and he was in the Enduring Idiots group and it was a regular fucking listener. I was like, oh my god. He bought merch, he was in the group, and he was in the Enduring Idiots group and it was a regular fucking listener. And I was like, oh, my God.

He bought merch, he was in the group and he was in the host. That is next level. And then blocked the host. Wow. It's full circle. What's his Insta? Can you delete it? Just mute it out.

I'll see if he's blocked me. I just want to see if he comes up. Okay, they're looking for him. They're stalking. Apparently it's a two-man job. I've got no one to banter with. Hello? I found him. They're stalking. Apparently it's a two-man job. I've got no one to banter with. Hello?

I found him. Oh, show me. Oh, my God, look. So he hasn't blocked you. Show me. Oh, he's got a partner. Oh, that's nice. Maybe that's why he blocked me.

Is he on the left or right? He's on the right. He's on the right. How do you know? Because I was jealous at the time. Oh, have I already told you about this guy? Yeah. Have you stalked before? Yeah, of course. Stalked him seen the photo. He's on the right. How do you know? Because I was jealous at the time. Oh, have I already told you about this guy? Yeah, yeah. Have you stalked before?

Yeah, of course. Stalked him at the time. Yeah. Maybe that's why he blocked me because his new partner is jealous and it's like we were saying last week during the talk back things. Any male that you've had any prior interaction with, delete them, block them. Maybe he's got a shitty new boyfriend. So explain to me please for the love of god where you met him i can't remember exactly i think he might have replied to an

instagram story and then was like if you're ever down for a rose um let me know and i was like fuck it i'm down for a rose and then i went to his house that night wow yeah i've never done that i had to be in it i have to be in a very specific went to his house that night. Wow. Yeah. I've never done that. Congrats. I have to be in a very specific mood to agree to that. You do. I was just like, you know what? The sun's setting. It's wine o'clock.

It's wine o' cock. Fucking let's go. Jump on. Well, congratulations. Well, can't wait for that to happen to me. This was like two or three years ago, but sure, thanks. Congratulations. All right. Well, should we go?

This has been the longest episode in the history of the show. What if I just didn't edit it? I think you did too. It's now Titanic length feature film. Mitchell, we've made many defamatory marks. Yeah, that's true. Can we also say that before we started this podcast, we ordered lunch on the kiddio.

Yes. And Jenna, we ordered Nando's or Porto. A Porto, yes. And Jenna ordered a cup of corn. And Mitch and I were like, she goes, who wants corn? And we laughed. It was corn to share. Yeah, it was a share cup.

Who the fuck shares corn? What a ridiculous option. For an extra $3.50, I got the share option. Well, thank God for that because I literally ordered my salad and specifically tapped without corn. Mitchell, we looked at the phone and we thought it was a joke and it was just one family corn, then our wraps. And I was like, well, you'll wrap my salad.

Oh, sorry. Sarah DeLaRent's Ocean Gate Saab will be very upset with that comment. Sarah DeLaRental crisis would not appreciate. Yeah, Sarah DeLaRent and Stimpy. Anyway, so, yeah, we put our order in. Sarah Dealer Rent the musical. Yes, exactly. Sarah Dealer Remedial Massage.

So we put our order in. Sarah Dealer Renaissance the two of them. Fuck me dead. You just chipped a tooth almost. I did. I need a mic stand in hindsight. I don't know how you've held that thing up all day. I feel like Kylie Minogue.

It's good. Anyway. I've been listening to so much Kylie. Sorry. I think the corn story is just well and truly past. Does anyone care? Yeah, I want to talk about my corn. Anyway, the corn was delicious, but I feel full and sick.

So, we were about to put our order in and we were like, Jenna, you add your order to the Uber Eats. And she just put corn. And then instead of just respecting her choices, I was like, I'm fucking putting my foot down. Jenna, you are not just ordering corn. I don't care if you order food for you and your mum and take it home for dinner, but I'm just not letting you order corn and corn only

because that's fucked. That's fucking psychopathic behaviour. Yeah, it's crazy. crazy yeah but it was a shared cup well thank god you know how much i love corn then mitch went to his kitchen drawer got us two spoons out mine looked like a ladle and jenna and i sat there like we were an amish couple who can't penetrate each other like it was a ben and jerry's you're like oh how, how good is corn? We were on a date in the south of Texas and we were like looking each other lovingly in the eyes. It was like if that movie, Cat and the Tramp, was filmed in Texas. And we were like, oh, this is delicious corn. Delicious corn.

Said no one ever. It was yum. You missed out on some good. I ordered my salad without corn. Like I said, there was one – Colonel. Fucking colonel and I was like – Isn't it funny that colonel is spelt differently but colonel is also

spelt differently but it's the same word but it means different things? Yeah. Like Colonel Sanders. Like spelt colonel. Spelt colonel but then there's colonel but it's the same word. Yeah. And like knight and knight. Yeah.

Like English is dumb. Well, we hope this podcast made you feel at least 3% better today. That's all, just 3%. Should I do a walking tour of your apartment? Oh, for fuck's sake. The mic isn't wireless. I can pull it out. But you won't be able to walk with that.

Yeah, it's connected. No, I can't. It's a tiny cord. Well, I'm just going to hold it because I feel like you've got gains and I haven't Doesn't it feel powerful holding the mic? I do feel like a stand-up Oh, that must be why it comes so naturally to me I'm in my natural habitat

Imagine if I did my stand-up with a fucking mic stand on stage Some people do But I just sat at a desk like I'm just doing a podcast. Speaking of which, podcast live shows potentially happening later in the year. TBC. Are we announcing that? That was an announcement. That was just a teaser.

Are we pre-announcing that? Yeah. Is that really happening? Yeah, we have a loop generator. Jenna, we're waiting for your management to get back to us. By the way, your management hasn't gotten back to Andrew, so that's why we're – That's an actual grave problem. Really? Yeah, I'll talk to her.

We'll just go direct. They don't get their 20%. Fuck it. See you guys. We haven't done our – We haven't done it. Done what? Our 2%.

I already did that about 15 minutes ago. We didn't do it. We didn't do it. You said – No. No, because he said, I want to take you on an apartment tour. Mitch has got a lovely Perspex stool.

Fuck. And a fiddle leaf. It's fake. I've already pressed it. All right. Do you want an apartment tour. Mitch has got a lovely Perspex stool. Fuck. And a fiddle leaf. It's fake. I've already pressed it. All right. Do you want me to do the wrap up now? Yeah. Yeah.

Don't fuck your cue this time. We hope this podcast made you feel at least 3% better today. That's all. Just 3%. So we do. Got to dash. Love you. Bye.

See you next week. Love you. Bye, bub. Bye. Is it just me? A podcast by a couple of meaches. Make sure you've hit follow on your podcast app.