Is It Just Me? - GUEST: Kate Langbroek on living in Italy 🇮🇹

Episode Date: December 6, 2021

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Kate Langbrook is here. Hello, Katie. Welcome back. My bitches, my bitches. Is that your favourite bitches? Last time we had you on, you were like in the studio. So I imagine we got work, Kate. But today on the Zoom, she's kicked back in bed.

We've got relax, Kate. Don't forget you're allowed to swear here, Kate. That's the rule. Could I see you next Tuesday? Go for it. Do you want to do it, Kate? Do you want? Yeah.

No. I don't want to shock anybody. But, you know, I'm quite partial to that word. Oh, yeah. I love finding out that everyone that works in media is actually a potty mouth behind the scenes. Disgusting. That's my favourite thing when I started working in media,

being like they're all foul like me. It's amazing. Well, because when your microphone's on, you really just have to banish that part of you. Then that part of you has to come out with a vengeance at some point. It definitely does. Stupid little podcast. Gay boys, Kate.

By the way, Mitch. Mitch. Which one? No, not you, Mitch. You, Mitch. How did we tell your part last time? I think you called me Betty. I don't know if you remember, but you nicknamed me Betty.

I thought I was Betty. We're both Betty. I thought I was Betty, but it's perfect that you're Betty. Anyway, Betty, you know that I moonlighted with Mitch. Did you? When Monty was unwell. That's right. He was your other half on 3pm Pick Up.

They thought, you know, typically a show hosted by mums and women, they thought Mitch Cheery's the next best thing, isn't it? Slot and writing. We had a great time. Yeah, I was a bit jealous about that. Was there jealousy involved, Mitch? Oh, of course there was. But I would have happily had you, Betty, but I didn't know where you were.

You're such a mysterious sort of creature. Betty is. What do you do during the day? Oh, God. What does Betty do during the day, Betty from Blacktown? He films videos and he's a very busy man. People, he's doing brand deals. He's one of those new age.

Is he? Yeah, he's in demand, Kate. Mitch is being very polite and trying not to use the word influencer because he knows I hate that word. But in a nutshell, it's basically that. I'm a good friend. Yeah. Betty.

All right, Kate. Mitch has been, actually, this is true, Mitch hasn't read a page of your new book, Kate. Hasn't even. Now, hang on. Of course he hasn't. read a page of your new book kate hasn't even now hang on he hasn't hang on and you know what i call him matt doran and you know what you will call me adele i was about to say he don't be casting aspersions i'm no matt doran here i haven't actually read a page but i was thrilled to find that there's an audiobook version. Thank God. He's listened. Oh, and that's me reading the audiobook version. It is, and I'm such an audiobook kind of person.

Like my ADHD doesn't really, yeah, it doesn't allow me to like sit there and read a book, but I can multitask. So I've got Kate in my ear laughing at her own jokes in the book. That was my favourite part while I'm cooking dinner and stuff. It's great. Did you have to do that all in one go? Because it sounds like you've got the exact same tone of voice. It sounds like nothing differs.

Or did they let you do like one chapter a day? No, I did. I would do, I did it over a week. Okay. Like a working week, Monday to Friday. That's still a lot. Yeah, it was a lot. But the guy who did it, he was so adorable, Derek.

Derek. Derek. He looked like he'd be a Doctor Who fan. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. Yeah. And I was kind of waiting for him to give me some notes. And then the girl from the book company was on Zoom as well watching. And I waited for them to tell me, you know how it's like when you're at work,

people might not know this, but in the radio, you know, if you're reading something or someone will say, oh, can you do it again with a bit more vim or, you know. Yeah, there's some direction. Not one bit of direction. How was it? Betty, what would you have suggested to me? I thought it was great. I mean, you definitely sounded more, like,

relaxed than you would when you're kind of performing on the radio. But that's what I liked about it. It was very, you know, chilled and conversational. Yeah, but Mitch, you don't know this because when I jumped in on the pick up with you, Kate, Kate revealed, remember that giant earthquake that hit, it wasn't really giant, but the earthquake that hit Melbourne a few months ago. Kate, you need to send us the audio, Kate, if you can, because we'll insert it here. Oh, I have to.

Yeah, Kate was recording the audio book when the earthquake hit and you hear it. I'd totally forgotten that, Mitch. And then in it, how do you think I reacted, Betty? How do you think Katie would be? Well, I like to think your inner professional would have tried to soldier on, but at a certain point you just would have been like, oh, fuck, like what's going on?

Like surely I really need to hear this. Please send it through. I'll put it in the podcast. I could see with my mother eyes that his breath was high in his chest. He was nervous. And then after an inauspicious start. What was that? It can only be an earthquake. Huh? Is that an earthquake? It can only be an earthquake.

Huh? Is that an earthquake? It could only be an earthquake. Oh, my goodness. I thought I was having a stroke or something. Anthea, we just had a tremble in the studio. I'm sorry, I just ran to the doorway because this house is shaking fully. Anyway, sorry.

Well, you can't be sorry for an earthquake. But we should say the book is Ciao Bella, Six Take Italy, Kate Langbrook's story of a family moving to Italy before the pandemic, then the pandemic hit. It was chaos, Kate. And Mitch doesn't know this, but I know again from the pickup that you're a diehard Morning Wars fan, as is Mitch, as am I. And as I sit there, Kate, and I see Mitch Kessler sitting

in what looks to be, I'm thinking Lake Como, it looks like it's Lake Como. Yeah. Is that what you pictured and envisioned for your Italian lifestyle to be? Yes, except, you know, Mitch Kessler wasn't really at Como. Where did he film it? You know, Mitch Kessler wasn't really at Como. Where did he film it?

They filmed it at some old nunnery in like Santa Barbara or San Francisco or something like that. Oh, well, I fell for it. I fully believed it was Italy. However, all right, can we just deviate for a moment? I know we're talking about my fabulous book, Ciao Bella. Yeah, go on, deviate. Can we just talk about Morning Wars for a moment? Please, any time.

It was a very – have you just watched the last episode? Yeah, I just did. We're up to date. I was not happy with that last episode. Neither were we. She went full – Alex Levy went full Joe Rogan, right-wing conspiracy podcaster. And also, yes, and who cares?

And there's old Chip nodding away, or is it Chuck? Chip, Chip. Yeah, Chip, Chip, nodding away as though she's doing something amazing and it actually was not amazing. It wasn't. It was actually like someone had just given Aunty Nell an iPhone and she discovered the video function on it for the first time. Yeah, I was way less glued this season.

Like season one I was very, oh, my God, I can't wait for the next episode. But this one I was like, ah, better. And also we're all over COVID. We just lived it. We don't want to rewatch it. Skip it. Yes! Well, here you are, Mitch, saying, oh, no one wants to relive COVID.

But Kate's book, sorry, it very much touches on COVID. But I was actually waiting to get to the COVID part. There was so much in the build-up. You had like the most heavenly first year. Yes. Although the thing that I did find surprising, I didn't factor in the time difference. You were still doing your afternoon radio show in Australia from Italy.

But at what time was it again? In the morning. But I was getting up at like 4 or 5 o'clock. Yeah, see, that's bullshit, getting up at 4 a.m. when you're on this, you know, Italian escape. Mate, do you think that was my idea, Betty? No. That was David William Hughes, the most persistent person in the world

who said, you're not going to give up work, not giving up work, can do the show from over there. I'm like, what? Because now, of course, when we say I did the show from Italy, people are like, well, I Zoom from my office all the time. No one did that then. We didn't even have Zoom. Zoom wasn't a thing.

But, yeah, you gave that up and I don't blame you because the rest of the story when you had all these getaways to Sicily sounded heavenly. There was one thing you actually mentioned in the book that I really resonated with, which was, I wrote it down, you were talking about your son and your husband, and you said, they clash as often as they bond these two, something I believe is not unusual for fathers and firstborn sons. And I was like, other people do this? My little brother is so, like, easygoing, but sometimes I just lock horns with my father for fun just

because I'm bored and he always bites back. Yeah, yeah. There's something about I think fathers are harder on the firstborn son, but I've got girlfriends who say the same and they end up having the conversations with the dads of their sons saying, you know, why? And then they accuse us of being too soft on them. I think I've overheard this exact argument between my parents.

Yeah, you would have. You'd hear the same thing in our house. Oh, not that we argue, Betty. No, never. But we do discuss things sometimes in a very animated, vocal and loud manner. Don't we all now? Mitch, do you ever clash with your dad?

Yeah, I do. I'm the firstborn son. But no, my dad's very soft. Like my dad sends me inspirational quotes every day. Oh, yeah. To start the day. Does he? Yeah.

Let me get what he sent me. He didn't send me one today, actually, but he's on a business trip. But let me find the most recent. He's on a business trip. Mark let me find the most recent. He's on a business trip. Mark Turi. He's a businessman. So I'm thinking, no, they don't clash like most eldest sons and fathers if he's sending you fucking inspirational quotes.

No, it's not the same. Well, this is from yesterday. Slowing down, resting, and or stillness may feel unsafe and uncomfortable for you if you're used to chaos or living under constant stress because your nervous system is used to being in survival mode. And he said, saw this, resonated with me, hope it resonates with you. Love you endlessly, Dad. Oh, I love him.

Yeah, that is very divine. No, but I was smack silly as a kid. So maybe he got it out of his system when I was an infant. Yeah, right. Oh, did he have a change, did he? Oh, yeah, he had a change. There was a pivotal moment. But what brought about his change?

Once he turned 50, turned a corner, he was a change man. Oh, really? Oh, I love that. God, I love people who show the capacity for change. Then I came out and I think he was probably terrified of hitting a gay man. He didn't like that. So he's like, oh, I might. Well, that's it.

Dad, don't be a poof debasher. That's exactly right. Yeah, I've said that verbatim. Anyway, the book is available now. You can get it. You can buy it at all good booksellers. And, of course, online you can get it on audiobooks, which Mitch is enjoying.

Yes, I am loving it. We wanted to do with you, Kate, whilst you're here. Mitch, Betty, oh, you're adorable, you two. Oh, thank you. We're not done, Kate. Stay in bed. Oh, yes. While we've got you, because you've experienced Australia and Italy and what they've both

got to offer, we want to do a quick round of who does it better? Because I reckon from listening to that book, there's a lot of things that Italy shits on us with. You know what I mean? Oh, I know. And you don't kind of want to be that person that goes, oh my God, initially there, but yet I am that person. But there are some things that Australia does magnificently. For instance, this morning when I was in the supermarket and the lady was packing my bags for me, that doesn't happen in Italy.

In Italy, you have to pack. It's like every store is fucking Aldi. Oh, my God. And you are there trying to, yeah, yeah. No, I'm not here for that. So just little things like that. Getting our rubbish collected. Oh, my goodness, that doesn't happen in Italy.

Really? Where do you put it? Well, because we lived in a medieval city, you know, and there's a lot of medieval cities in Italy. So we had to go to the rubbish bin, which was the central bins in the city. But because it was Italy and things were a bit scattered, the organico is in one place, the plastico is two blocks away, and you've got five different kinds of rubbish.

Oh, I'd rather be dead than have to deal with that. That's no good. Chuck me in the Plastico. All right, hit her with some other options. Yes. Okay. So we've got a few things to get through. Number one is traffic. Who does it better, Australia or Italy? Italy, because you're allowed to speed. Oh yeah, of course. Wasn't your husband a little bit frightened to try and keep up with their speed?

Why is that? Well, because on the freeway, very rare that you saw a speeding sign, like a speed limit sign on the freeway. So we really didn't know. But we would often get overtaken by a nonna going 160 kilometres of an hour in a little Fiat. Yeah. And so we would ask our friends and then they would say things like,

hey, well, you know, the speed limit, it's 120 kilometres an hour, but if it's a two-lane freeway, you can go 140, and if it's three lanes plus, you can go 140 plus, whatever you like. Shit. So how is that an answer? Yeah, that sounds like it's open to interpretation. Australia would slap you with so many fines if you just kind of went,

no, we're good. Do you know what? The freedom in Italy, the freedom to ride your bike without a helmet, the freedom to have a cigarette with a glass of wine out the front of a restaurant, the freedom to speed, just the freedom to take your dog with you anywhere into shop, the dog's welcome anywhere. Like just those little freedoms may mean a lot in your life.

Like they're very nourishing. Yeah. I've never known a time where those things are freedoms. Like if I ever had a fucking dart with my rose in a restaurant, I would think I'm going to get tackled by someone like that. I would just never. Yeah. All right.

What's the next one? Who does it better, radio, Italians or Australians? 100% Australia. Great. Yeah, I'll take that. Sorry, current show accepted. Ouch. No, no, all of Italian pop music and their radio sounds like it's 1984.

Really? Oh, so WSFM. Italian pop music and their radio sounds like it's 1984. Oh, so WSFM. It's just very, and when our producer Sash was over there trying to find somewhere for me to broadcast back to Australia from, she just couldn't get over how antiquated all the radio stations were. She went and looked at about seven in Bologna and she said they were just, it was honestly like 1992. Wow. Yeah, gone.

I bet they can smoke inside there too. You could do that back in the day in radio studios, couldn't you? I remember when I lived with my girlfriend, Mish, and she had a terrible breakup and she comforted herself by playing what's that game with that gorgeous little guy, that video game and it's a gorgeous guy and he has to lasso the horse. I have no idea. Zelda, maybe?

Yeah, Zelda. There we go. Zelda. Anyway, my girlfriend Mish has played Zelda seriously for six months on repeat and chain smoked inside. And because she was so heartbroken, I learnt to play Zelda just to keep her company.

Yeah, wow. But I did have to say after about six months, do you reckon you might enjoy your cigarette more if you had it? Because the whole house, it was a two-storey house, the whole house just reeked of cigarettes. Yeah, have your Dariel Fresco, Mish. It's much nicer out there. Has she bounced back?

Oh, she's totally bounced back. Yeah, Mish. Bounce the bounce. All right, Mish, do a couple more. Do a couple more. See, that's Mish saying I've given such long, elaborate and probably tedious answers. What number are we actually going to do, Mitch?

How many are you going to give me? Do you know what? We're on a podcast. There are actually no rules about how long the answers are, how long we chat for. It's really just a question of how many you want to do, Kate. Obviously, Mitch has got some rules. No.

I'm thinking of you, Kate Langbrook. I know you're a very busy lady. You've got succession on pause or whatever. Yeah, look at me in bed. You know, it's actually up to you. You tell us when you no longer give a fuck. Number three, Wi-Fi. Hey, guys, I no longer give a fuck.

Is it just me? A podcast by a couple of mitches. Okay, so who does it better, customer service, Australia or Italy? We're pretty good. Australia. Ooh, okay. I feel like you mentioned in the book, I might be paraphrasing, but I think you said at one point you were a little bit overwhelmed

because they're quite aggressive. They're almost like, what, you want to shop here? They're not necessarily wrong. Well, I found the women in their shops, they've got a strange manner. It's strange to me because I was a stranger, you know. Yeah. But things like one of my Italian friends was saying the reason they put everything in the shop window in Italy or in Bologna is so that when you come

in you know what you're looking for. So it's not like I've just come in to browse. Oh, right. But whereas I would go in not knowing what I wanted and they thought that was really weird. All right, one more. Have you got somewhere to be? I'm just conscious that Kate has a half-eaten pack of salt and vinegars.

What's wrong with him? He's really gone off me. No, they're finished. The salt and vinegars are finished. Fucking carry on, Mitch. I'm just lying here waiting for the indigestion. It'll hit. Well, the next one is possibly the most important.

Who does it better when it comes to men? Australia or Italy? Who has the finer gentleman? It's a very hard question to answer and I'll tell you why. I obviously have a massive soft spot for Australian men. I love a smart, working-class guy. I love that Australians do that better than anyone. Like, you know, just a funny tradie or whatever, you know,

we're just very good at that. But Italian men pay women such attention that it is and whereas australian men have been stolen from us by pornography they don't care about real women anymore in australia yeah they don't care about real women but italian guys do you reckon italian men pay such attention to women it It is amazing. Wow. So that my girlfriend, she came over, couldn't believe it. Yeah, wow.

Are they flirty, Kate? Like, were they flirtatious even with you? What do you mean, even with me, Mitch? Hang on. Being there with your husband, your beloved Peter Allen Lewis. Let's just back up. This is why I wanted to stop. Even with your cadaverous 90-year-old horrendously out of shape self,

did they muster a little Lazarus-like enthusiasm even for you? No, not what I meant. You're gorgeous and radiant. But Peter Allen Lewis was, I'm sure, by your side. Peter Allen Lewis. Well, you know what was funny? One, we used to go to this restaurant all the time that was run by the greatest food and run by this really, I've written about him in the book, but I haven't written this story about him in the book,

very flirty guy who'd get drunk and sing opera and at the end of the night he'd come and give you a rose and give his speech and take your hand and kiss your hand and very fun, fun sort of guy. You don't get that shit here. No, at a restaurant. Oh, no, no, no, not in 100 years. Anyway, especially not me. Your words.

Anyway, one night we were at his restaurant and Peter went to the toilet and the owner came over to my table and sat down. He sits at your table and he pours wine and, you know, and he said to me, why don't you come back tomorrow for lunch without your husband? lunch without your husband. I'm like, mate, he's literally a two-minute piss away. Like what? I couldn't believe it.

And also his wife came into that restaurant all the time and his wife came up one night and introduced herself to me. She had a strange energy about her, not unpleasant but just a bit whatever. And then I realised, oh, it's his wife and she's got the energy of a woman who's constantly cheated on by her husband in the restaurant that no doubt she works at. That's not a good reflection of Italian men, that one. You proved me wrong, Kate. What about?

That I've still got it. Yeah. Do you know what, though? Speaking of your husband, people sometimes ask us, ooh, like would you ever date a listener? And I don't know if you've heard this story, Mitch, but can you tell us, Kate, how you met your husband? Oh.

So my husband was I met on a radio trip. The station sponsor did this thing that they hadn't done for a few years and they would send a broadcaster over with a bunch of listeners. And I went on the trip with 15 listeners and Peter was one of those listeners. There you go. And did you shack up on that trip?

No, Mitch. He had a girlfriend back in Australia and I had a boyfriend. What do you think? Okay. That look on her face, I can't read it. No, you cannot. It's just one eye. Can't read it.

It's like my book. Can't read it. You need the audio book. Anyway, and so then we came back and we sort of tap danced around each other for a couple of years and then we got together. There you go. Where are you going? Hang on.

Oh, no, here's Lewis Lewis. Hello. This is Mitchie Mitch. Oh, hi. Come over and say hello. That's Mitch and that's Mitch. I tell them apart by calling this Mitch Betty. Right.

Yeah. This is Lewis Lewis. We're talking about the book. You can ask Lewis something. Hey, Lewis, I have a question for you. Did you ever find out the backstory behind the, was it a Freddo, Kate, or a Caramella Koala in the letterbox? What have I missed here?

Do you want to tell the story quickly, Lewis Lewis? We found a letter in our letterbox. And it was during lockdown, wasn't it? Yeah, it was during lockdown. We found a letterbox. A letter in our letterbox is, you know, that's where letters are. But it was a Freddo frog. Was found a letter in our letterboxes, you know, that's where letters are. But it was like a Freddo frog. Was it a Freddo frog?

Yeah. Sticky tape to a handwritten letter. It looked like it was done by a 12-year-old or a 10-year-old or something. And we weren't sure, you know, it was just a random Freddo frog, so we weren't sure what it was. So we didn't eat it. But, yeah, so that was a strength.

And it had a motivational message on it like, oh, be you, everybody else is taken. Maybe it was from your daddy. My dad, maybe it was from our jury. What did you come in for, Lewis? If you want to go for a drive. Oh, Lewis is just, yeah, we'll go for a drive. All right, give me how long with these boys, an hour.

An hour. We'll let you go. Are you teaching him to drive, Kate? Is he on the L's? Yes. We just got them last week and I took him for his first ever drive in the car, which I realised I didn't really know what to tell him to do. It's actually hard to explain.

I was like, okay, just start the car and start driving. You know, I thought if you took your foot off the accelerator, the car would stop instantly. That was my first thought when I started driving. I thought it was a stop-start. Well, you would think that, wouldn't you? You would. Anyway, so we go to this big car park outside this, like, you know,

sports centre here. Ah, yeah. And then we just drive around. But then he drove on the road back home the other day. And once you've driven on the proper road with other traffic what else is there to learn yeah that's actually that's actually pretty scary because i i grew up in the country so like it was very quiet streets to learn on but once i came to sydney oh different story oh totally but hang on in the country riddle me this

surely you would have driven people's paddock bashes and whatever. You would have been more familiar with a car than city kids who have never had any quiet street to practise on. Oh, I'd been driving manual since I was eight. Yeah, well, there you go. Oh, what? Yes. This is what I said to Lewis.

Like, it's quite ridiculous. And I was saying this to Petty the other night, how ridiculous that our children get to 18 and they've never sat behind the wheel of a car. Yeah. I mean, I know. You know what I mean? Like just not had that experience of bouncing around in a paddock or,

you know. A cafe with their dog on their lap. Yes. What's going on? Oh, yeah. You've got to get some country friends, darling. Take them out to the farm. You'll be fine.

Get the young ones started early. Yes, and I'd love some country friends. Do you think they'd love me? Yeah, I'll give you Ian and Jane's address. I'll meet you there. Head up to Bogan and get them for Christmas. All right, Kate, let's let Kate go. Mitch, since I first came on your highly regarded show,

you have been desperate to get rid of me. Who have you got waiting in the wings, Kylie? No one. Do you know what? I think it's his inner radio guy. He's like, you know, type five, a quick break. I keep reminding him it's a podcast. We could do this for days if we so choose.

I'm also aware of my guest. I mean, your guest is like being bundled out the door and your guest is going, but I haven't had my dessert yet. That's true. Have your grappa and get out. Well, do you know what? You've clearly got, you know, some driving lessons to do. I'll ask you one last question.

I can't believe I forgot to ask you this last time because we have one question we ask every single guest that we have on. And that is we get them to contribute to our things better than drugs and dick. It's a growing list. So it's essentially, you know, sweet pleasures, like a little small thing in life that you love. Like what did Jess Malboy say? She said she likes being barefoot in a garden.

Of course she did. Yeah. And the thing is, did you say the thing is better than drugs and dick? I did because I think we've got a lot of younger female listeners who might be a bit party and boy obsessed right now. And male. So it's just our way of saying, guys, there's more to life. And male.

And male. Yes, men are listening. Yeah, no, it's true. We have a lot of gays, so this applies to them. We're just saying, listen, there's more to life. Yeah, I have so many little pleasures. The ocean. Just swimming in the ocean.

That's literally the biggest pleasure, but okay. Oh, is that a big pleasure? Is it too big? It's quite a vast pleasure. The sea is large. All right. The sea. I don't know if you're across it.

You did live over them once. You did cross it to get to Italy. All right. Hang on. What about this? I love nothing more than eating crispy bacon, streaky, with a mini can of Coke in bed. Great added crispy bacon.

Get every word. Yep. Kate, do you bake your bacon? Do you put it in the oven on a baking dish? No, I don't. You can get fucked. I fry it the way the creator intended. And you know what else I do? And this is going the extra mile. So I also remove the rind from the bacon. And then in the Lewis Langbrook house, we cook that separately and it goes all crispy and stunning and it's a little chef's treat.

Oh, I've never even thought of that. That sounds divine, actually. Oh, it's stunning. Barbarians who cook their bacon with the rind on. No, get away from me. Get in the bin. And if you eat that bacon and the coke in the kitchen, get fucked, not on the list.

You must be in your bed. Must be in bed because one of my little pleasures, better than D&D, is eating in bed. Oh, 100%. I really love to gobble, gobble, gobble in the sand. Why was the camera getting closer to your face when they were gobbling? Yeah. Kate, what are you watching on the screen?

Oh, I started binging when I was sick a couple of weeks ago. I'm just like, I've got all the time in the world to watch something. So I started watching this show called Insecure. Oh, Insecure. And so I started watching this show called Insecure. Oh, Insecure. And so I started watching that. I'm in love with the lead girl. She's just so incredible. The rest of the show is just a bit strange,

so strange that I persisted through five and a half seasons. Geez. And now I've actually caught up in the binge and now I'm just smashing down a new episode. Jeez. And now I've actually caught up in the binge and now I'm just smashing down a new episode. Yeah. I'm a bit like that with bloody SVU. I'm like the whole show is strange but, you know, that detective,

Olivia Benson, she keeps me there. Yeah, you watch it for her. The strong female lead is all that keeps me there. Is that Mariska? Yeah. Are you a crime person? Not normally. I don't like to go to bed, you know, to the sound of rapes and sodomy. That's what everyone always does.

She was murdered and they slid her from her belly to her throat. Good night. I know. I've actually become numb to that shit. If something happens on the news, I'm like, oh wait, I need to take a moment to remember that that's fucking real. I'm just used to hearing that stuff. So, you know, I've always got a theory. Yeah. My theory is, you know, everyone's like, oh, well, it's so violent. Be kind. It's gangster. Yeah, yeah.

But they're the same people that are absolutely gorging themselves on true crime. And, you know, there's this Hawaiian religion or philosophy called Huna. Yeah. And one of the tenets of Honah is energy goes where attention flows. And so if you're just gorging on violence and women being raped and murdered and buried under their things and the teacher's pet and la-la, where do you think that shit is going in your psyche?

So if we all listen to podcasts about, like, winning the lotto and shit, we're good. Yes, beautiful things. And hummingbirds. You know what I mean? Like, if you're soul sick, start with what you're feeding your soul. That's a good point. I love that.

Mitch. Start with what you're feeding your soul. Special victims unit. Dun, dun. All right, Kate, let's leave Kate on that. Oh, alright, bye! I'm sick of you trying to get rid of me. Alright, I'm gone. Bye! We love you. See you, Kate.

It's not right that your guest is more fond of you than you are of your guest. Rack on! I do this out of fondness because I adore you so much. No, I don't accept it, Mitch. He's got all big-headed. Do you want to stay? You can stay, Kate. You can host the show. No, no, she's gone, Mitch. He's got all big-headed. Do you want to stay? You can stay, Kate.

You can host the show. No, no. She's gone. See you, Kate. Love you. Love you, buddy. Ciao, ciao. Is it just me?

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