Is It Just Me? - Jenna Fling 1 - History Debating

Episode Date: December 19, 2021

While the Mitches are away, Jenna comes out to play!This week, Jenna takes on Liz in a round of History Debating.Was the moon landing staged? Let's debate!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hi, it's Mitch and Mitch here. Now while we enjoy a little break over Christmas and New Year's, our third wheel, Jenna, who's here with us every week, is going to be soldiering on as a one-woman show. Yeah, it could be awkward. It could be great. Let's see. This is The Jenna Fling. Thanks, Mitch.

Cheery and Mitchell Coombs. Anyway, I'm here to entertain you for the next couple of weeks while the other two are on break. I get no break because I work hardest, but that's how it is. Anyway, today I thought we'd kick it off with a round of history debating. So if you're unfamiliar with history debating, it's basically just debating, but on a history topic. So today we thought, well, I thought, because it's my show, that we could debate the moon landing. So did it actually happen or did it not? Can we, how do I use this panel? Let's see. Liz, are you there?

Yes, I'm here. Hi, Liz. How are you? Welcome to the show. Thank you. I'm well, thanks. How are you? Yeah, I'm pretty good. It's pretty good to be controlling this whole thing. Oh, sorry, that's me with the panel. I'm not that great at this, sorry. But, you know, I'll improve. Let me just stop this, okay. Cool. Anyway, so, yes, history debating.

Today we're going to be debating whether the moon landing actually happened. So you're going to be the affirmative and I'm going to be negative. So I'm going to debate that it did not happen. So let's do three rounds. So a minute each. We'll have the air horn. Let's see the air horn. Let me do this.

Oh, one second. Yes. Yes, we've got the air horn. And that will go off once we finish each round. Okay. Does that make sense? It's been a while since I did history debating, but I think it should be brought back.

It should. I agree. Yeah, so we'll start off with you. Okie dokie. So let's do this, and you've got one minute. All righty. So I wanted to start by mentioning something called NASA's RLRO, which is the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter,

and this has taken some high-resolution photos of the moon while it's been in low orbit. And in these photos, you can see debris and abandoned descent modules and the rovers from the Apollo mission from July 1969 when Aldrin and Armstrong landed on the moon. On top of this, other spacecraft from India and China and Japan have also taken photos of this debris found on the moon. So if the moon landing was not real, how did these things end up on the moon?

And that is my first point. Wow. Yeah, okay, I get what you're saying, but I personally disagree. So let me start off with mine. Let's get into this. So you gave some points which I didn't find very interesting. They were a bit boring, but let's just get on with it. I'm going to bring up – I'm not going to work on what you said

because I didn't really understand any of it, but I'm going to talk about how there were no stars in any of the photos. So Apollo 11 astronauts stated in post-mission press conferences that they did not to put the stars into the photos because astronomers would have been able to use them to determine whether the photos were taken from the Earth or Moon by means of identifying them and comparing their position and parallax to what would be expected to either observation site. And this also brings me to my point. There are identical backgrounds in photos which were reportedly taken miles apart.

This suggests that a painted background was used. Yes, that's my point. Alrighty. Yes, now let's throw it back to you. Okay, I see your argument and I raise you. you okay i just i see your argument and i raise you uh so the argument of this of the stars not being seen in the photos is is rests on the fact that these may have been taken at night however i counter your argument by saying all manned missions to the moon took place during what would be the daytime if we were on earth. But because they're on the moon, it's slightly different.

Anyway, but this meant that starlight lost the battle against the bright surface of the moon, therefore the bright surface of the moon sort of counteracted the stars. Anyway, I'd like to also mention that 382 kilograms of moon rock was brought back to Earth after the landing, and it's been proven by other scientists and specialists not associated with America to have not been from Earth. And that is my second point. Interesting. Very, very interesting. Some of that

I didn't understand again, but I commend your points. So let's go back to mine. Let's bring it on. So you mentioned Soviet Union, I think. Sorry, I wasn't listening to some of it because I was very nervous for my point. But motivation for the United States to engage the Soviet Union in a space race can be traced to the then ongoing Cold War. So basically, I was thinking thinking maybe it didn't happen, but the US wanted Soviet Union to think it happened.

And the thing is, right, like there's other things debating that and all that, but the Soviets did not have the capability to track deep spacecraft until late in 1972, immediately after which the last three Apollo missions were abruptly cancelled. So there was no proof for them to see that the US had actually done the space race, won it. Yes, that's my great point.

Let me leave. I'll do another one because I've got some time as well. The flag placed on the surface, it was fluttering right? So, but the thing is there's no wind on the moon. So this suggests that it was filmed on Earth, if you know what I mean. I rest my case. I see.

I see. Very good points made there, Jenna. I commend you on your effort there. Thank you. We'll do – should we do one more round or not? I think maybe one more round. Oh, okay. Let's make it a quick 30-second round, okay? Okay, okay.

Okay, your turn. I'm going to barter your point with the flag rippling in the wind on the moon by saying the flag actually was not fluttering at all. So the horizontal rod that holds the flag was unfurled, and so this makes it look like the wind is stopping it from hanging down, but there was a fluttering effect because of the weak gravity on the moon is not strong enough to uncrumple the flag so wow it's not technically there's no wind it's just very weak gravity that was making it move therefore you know space physics time's up. My turn. Okay, yes.

You've got a point there. I must give it to you there. Okay. But I'm going to finish on my final point with a strong one because I like conspiracy theories. I'm going to go on to talk about Stanley Kubrick, right? So he's accused of having produced much of the footage, right? Presumably because he had just directed 2001 A Space Odyssey, which I have not seen.

But apparently it was partly set on the moon and featured special effects. And apparently Kubrick attempted to confess to his part in the deception by having Danny, the son of Jack Nicholson in The Shining, wear an Apollo 11 sweater. Wow. That was my final point. It was very visual, but yes.

I see. I could picture it myself as you were explaining it. So, yes, it was very visual. I agree with you. Thank you so much. I believe that we debated very well. A worthy opponent. Yes, absolutely.

I mean, as I said before, I didn't understand a lot of the stuff you were talking about because astronomy isn't my strong suit, but I valued your points. Thank you. I valued your points as well. Thank you so much. But it's now my time to decide on who will win.

Will it be Liz or Jenna? It's a tough one because both gave great points. I'm going to give it. It's a tie. It's a tie. I'm sorry. It's a tie. It's okay.

I like a tie. I'll settle for a tie. Yes, it's a tie. I'm happy with that. Yes, I was initially going to say that I would win. That was what I thought at the beginning. But when you gave your points, I had to make it a tie. I'm sorry.

Oh, thank you. Thank you for your consideration. I very much appreciate it. No problem. And thank you so much for joining me on the show. That's okay. Thank you for inviting me on. I had a fantastic time. It was lovely speaking with you. Oh, so glad. I'm so glad. I love debating with you too.

And I hope you have a great week. I know I should. I should take over. Yes, you should. Thank you. Sorry, Cherry. Sorry, Coombs. I'm on Jenna's side here. Thanks, Liz. That's okay. that's okay oops oopsie daisy anyway that was history debating with me I hope you all enjoyed it but I hope this podcast made you

73% better because it sure made me feel better especially debating with Liz so I will play my birth music from the year 1633 to conclude the first episode. Yes, this is unedited as well. So this is all honest. Yes, and true. So goodbye, farewell, and I'll see you next week. Welcome to ADD Brief.

It's me again, Jen Off. I hope you have a great week. There's a lot to discuss, but also a lot. Oh, we've got a tweet. We've got a tweet. It's from, oh, no, sorry. I can't open Twitter. Anyway, have a great time, week.

See you next week. That's the end of ADD Brief. How do I turn this off now?