Is She Ok? - The Magic & Importance of Female Friendships

Episode Date: February 14, 2025

From the drama of going to all-girls schools, to finding multiple soulmates in female form... Chans & Sophie reminisce on the impact female friendships have had on their lives, and celebrate the positive role they currently play.Join the girls for an episode dedicated to female friendships, their highs, lows and everything in-between!For more, you can follow us on Instagram;@sophiegoorwich@csahni@issheokpodcast

Hi everyone and welcome to the Is She OK? podcast. I'm Chance and I'm Sophie and we're here to unpack life's ups and downs and all the in-betweens, having the conversations every woman's thinking about but rarely says out loud. Every week we'll chat about topics that really matter, aiming to answer the question we all ask ourselves. Is she OK? Hi Chance, how are you? I'm good. How are you doing? Good. It's so nice to see you. I have missed you. I know it's only been a week, but it feels like forever. I know we've had a little hiatus, but we're back. Never again. Never again. Don't leave me. How have you been for the last fortnight? I have been very busy. Life is just kind of hurtling towards me going back to work and Cyrus is like, my kid is getting bigger and he's doing a lot more, which means I need to do a lot more. So life is feeling pretty hectic, but in a great way, in an absolute great way. And I think the world is feeling so absolutely terrifying that I'm purposefully just completely throwing myself

into my little family and into my home and just having that little safe space and having fun with them. And I just don't want to, I just want to close my eyes to what's going on a little bit because it's all, it's mad. Same. I mean but you know I think that that's really a really actually like a useful point to touch on that like you have to set boundaries around this thing like around the world around you and I think this goes for anything obviously things are very

extreme at the moment but I think that there is also a need to be like, I guess a little bit selfish. You still have to get out of bed in the morning. Yeah, yeah. To get consumed by it because otherwise what you see you as a mother, what you see you as a wife, what you see you as a friend, like, but I think there's there are ways to be invested and be involved and be active, but also set boundaries. And for me, that's kind of like, I know you said without going into great detail, if we want to talk about anything today, and I was like, actually, no, because for me, there's the time and a place. And this, I guess, isn't it at the moment, maybe at some point it will be. Yeah. But yeah, I just think like those conversations have to be held in

a place where it's a safe space for you, I guess. So yeah, definitely. And you know, we are obviously talking about the nature of politics at the moment with Trump being in power and everything that's going on around the world. But this everything you're saying is still true for family dramas or issues with friends or anything that's going on in your life that actually you're like, you know what, I just want to focus on some of the good stuff for a little while. It's about setting boundaries. And I think, I think that's what I've been doing, because it's, it's obviously been the

news, but it's also been other stuff that's been going on, you know, within my family and things like that. And I've just been like, you know what, I am drawing some boundaries and I am just focusing on the stuff that's really good in my life at the moment. And so that's what I've been doing, Sophie. How are you? Tell me about you. I'm good. I mean, yeah, like I'm, I'm good. Like you said, there is, there's a lot going on in the world that affects me on a very personal level. However, like you said,

like for the moment life does go on as we know it. And I'm just having to find ways to function within the world as it is. And like you said, set boundaries within that. There are certain things that I want to do out in certain places or like whatever it might be and whether that is the answer or not I don't know but it's what I need to do to protect kind of like my mental health and all the rest and yeah so no like all of that aside because I do think it would be very easy to get consumed by everything and yeah and I think it's hard to know everything. And I think it's hard to know where to draw that line. Because you're guilty if you're not doing, you know, everything and anything, but then I've got a business to run, you've got a baby

to raise, like there are just, there's things that you have to take into account. So yeah, no, long story short, I am okay. Yeah, so a few things have happened since we last spoke. The Super Bowl, which I mean, I'm so not well worth it. I can give no opinion on that. Aside from that, have you got any opinion as someone who is very musical, as in you're into your music. Any opinions on Kendrick Lamar being the half-time performer? I have zero opinions on it, actually. I've seen clips of one of the Williams sisters dancing, I've read some of the controversy about some of the moves she did. Have you watched them in the have you watched half time performances in the past?

I have I've watched them. I know they're often these extravagant like massive moments within the game. I the Kendrick Lamar things has kind of just passed me by. No, I'm the same. Doesn't feel massively newsworthy to me. So I've not been clicking on the clickbait, basically. Yeah, no, same. Like, I think I had this conversation with someone today and I was like, I get it. Like, and maybe it's more of like a culture moment

for America and like, I'm someone that's like, I'm into my rap and I'm into my hip hop and like, Dr. Dre and like Snoop and Eminem came out like, I was all over that. Like, I think that for me is like half-time performance and like J-Lo and like all like for me it needs to be more of like like a show like and is that what the controversy is that people just thought it was boring no I think I think a lot of people were like is this the artist that should be doing the Super Bowl?

Essentially, there's also basically this whole beef between him and Drake. So it's just a bit kind of like, is this really? Right. Yeah, but then like, I haven't seen it. And apparently there were all these like Easter eggs and hidden meanings to things, but like, yeah. I just don't know if that's what people need right now I think people need a bit of pop and a little bit of a dance move so I guess maybe if we were super fans

it would be different but we also had the Grammys. Yes which I was watching quite closely actually it looked like it was just a very the Grammys. Yes, which I was watching quite closely actually. It looked like it was just a very nice Grammys. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like it just looked like everyone had a good time. Outfits were great. Awards were given to people who deserve them.

It just looked like a really nice portion of Grammys. What did you not want to say to the album of the year? I wasn't a big fan of the album, if I'm honest. So I don't know. I don't know if it was it was a bit political. I'm not sure. It wasn't my favorite of all of us. She's definitely had better albums. She's 100% has. She's won for something else, but obviously we can't go back in time. And I think I think that is the general consensus. Do you know what I did love and I feel like you'll love me for this? All the clips of Taylor Swift like just dancing like she just has the best time everywhere she goes. And she does. She does. It's one of the things I love

most about her. And I remember her talk, you'll see clips of her talking about it in interviews where she's just like, I'm basically at the best performances, at the best shows, front row, why the hell wouldn't I get up and dance? And she said, I know people make fun of me for it. Of course they do. But I'm having a really great time. So fuck you basically. And I love that. And all the people aren't doing that. They're having a crap time. It's like when we were younger and you'd be in the pub and there would be the girls like, and like it was always the girls standing there in the corner,

like looking amazing, but like, you're not having a good time. And there would be girls on the dance floor, just like not giving a fuck, dancing away. And it's like, that is the difference. And it's like, I want to be the girl on the dance floor. I don't want to be like standing there,

like adjusting my skirt, feeling self-conscious. Cause that's- Exactly, exactly. And good for her. She's always done it. And you know what? Long may she continue doing it. I want to be with her in the club.

Lastly, Pete Davidson, is he's having a renaissance. Have you seen recent pictures of him? So he's having, I saw he's having all his tattoos removed. So blank slate. I never's having, I saw he's having all his tattoos removed. So blank slate. I never thought I'd say that. Oh, spooky. He looks like he's had a few decent meals. He's come off the drugs and had a good night's sleep.

He looks healthy. I mean, I'll tell you what, the man gets some hot women. There is obviously something about him. Now he's done, so I've just seen um he's doing the campaign for reformation the clothing brand. Okay. He looks really hot. I haven't seen these pictures but I will have a look. Look there has to be something about him. He has that kind of dirty funny hot guy thing going on. He doesn't look dirty anymore. See, I think past Pete Davidson, you'd have fancied. Yeah, I definitely would.

He looks like he's had a bath and I would take him on a date. Yeah. Well, that's good to know. Pete Davidson, if you're listening, please hit us up. Sophie is well-informed. And he's not asy, though, you know, that's all. Exactly, he's not an old man. No, good for him. I'm glad to hear that. He seems like a nice guy. Um So today we are talking about swiftly moving on and the wonder of female friendships

Sadly Taylor isn't in our inner circle, but I feel like she'd be a good fit Sadly, Taylor isn't in our in a circle, but I feel like she'd be a good fit. So yeah, I just thought this would be a nice topic to discuss a bit lighthearted, a bit kind of like wholesome given everything that isn't so great right now. So I wanted to ask like, what is your experience? Like, where do you stand on the female friendships? What does it mean to you? Like, just tell me about your, your history with them. So I am a firm believer that we all have multiple soulmates. And one of those soulmates is my husband, guaranteed. But I have some incredible female friends. And I classify all of those people as my soulmates as well.

I think female friendship as a woman is probably the most important relationship you're gonna have in your life. And the reason, the season and the lifetime, that's, it's so true of a lot of the friendships that I've had. I've had people that were in my life for a really long time and sadly are no longer there because I don't know maybe we fell out or something happened. But I hold all of those

friendships still so dear to my heart and then currently the friends I've got now, long-standing friends like yourself who have known me in every iteration of myself and have loved me throughout are just the most important thing to me. And you know, recently becoming a mum, there's this all this pressure to find mum friends, like find these friends who have kids that live near you, and you must meet them and spend time together and all of this. And actually, my experience of that hasn't been amazing. I've met some really lovely women. But the reality is I have forged and been maintaining these amazing friendships with other women in my life and whether they're parents or not, those are the people that

I'm using to get me through this time. Those are the people I want to talk to and I want to be around. So my view on female friendships are that they will be some of the most important relationships that any woman will have. So definitely make time for them and nurture them. And what was your experience with like girlfriends growing up because you went to an all girls school, right? Yeah, it was hard. Yeah, it was hard. You know, you, especially the teenagers,

when you're, you know, that 11 to, I don't know, 18 period, where girls can be, they can be fucking dicks, let's be honest. You know, I remember waking up one day when I was maybe 12. And suddenly this group of friends that I had just all decided they weren't going to be my friend anymore. And so you're walking into school and you feel like you have no friends and it was an awful, scary, like horrific period. So female friendships are very important, but they can also be some of the most vicious relationships in the world as well. And I started again from scratch and I found new friends and, you know, they were amazing. And then as I grew up, I always realized that I wanted to be very careful about

who I allowed in my life. But yeah, what was it like for you? Because you were similar. Yeah, so I went to an all girls school. And it's funny because like, I had, like, I was part of like a friendship group in school, like every day, everyone kind of like falls in. But I was also part of a few different friendship groups as well. Right. Like had friends outside of school. But similarly, like there would be like periods and seasons where you'd go into school and suddenly no one was talking to you and you didn't know why.

And I think the thing that I've found as I've grown up, but like there's a real intimacy with female friendships. Yeah. Male friendships have. 100%. And I find it really interesting. Like when I, for example, have moved abroad and went traveling and stuff, one of the first things that guys like people would always say to me is like, maybe you'll meet like a hot Australian guy or maybe you'll meet like this 60 set

of Spanish man. And I never did. But I have met some of like the most important women now in my life Yeah, and I would not trade that for the world And I've always found that like when you meet and I think it happens like maybe more like one-on-one than a group setting I think when you meet Like a girl that you really get on with and you can't maybe put your finger on why like a lot of the time I make friends with people that on paper you're like oh we don't actually have that

much in common but it's just kind of there's just a bond there and I just find that actually they can be some of the most kind of like intimate relationships that you will have because I think women are really good at being really open and having conversations, kind of like doing like gross stuff together and talking about things that like out loud and I do think that that's a really special bond. I also think though that it can get very complicated very easily because I think women are very, can be very territorial. Yeah. I think that like and it's a massive red flag in friendship with me when like someone gets jealous. Like I wouldn't want it in a relationship.

I definitely don't want it in a friendship. And I've experienced that before. And for me, it's kind of like, oh, like I'm good for him. You know, but I do, I think that like, I think there's just a real intimacy to female. It's actually really special. But it's like, I guess it's like relationships, right? You learn, the more relationships you have, the more you learn what you're willing to tolerate

and the type of person you want in your life. And actually, I think it's very true of friendships as well. As you grow up, you will make friends, you will lose friends, you will reignite relationships with friends. And actually, as the years kind of dwindle on, that group that was maybe 50 people at one point suddenly whittles down into maybe five people on one hand that you would trust with your life. And I think that's really important. It's to know that, yeah, in your 20s, meet as many people as you can, go for it. But by the time you get to your 30s and 40s, make sure you've got that core group of really good, especially girlfriends, that you would trust with your life. Because otherwise, it's a bit of a wasted life, you know, make the time

to nurture that. Yeah, I think it's important. I think it's like, I think also kind of when you think about shows like Sex and the City and like all about kind of like the sisterhood and how you've got these four women that are completely different but you look at it and I know that like not everyone is living a Sex and the City life and kind of like when you watch it back now we're like oh my god those characters were so awful or she was a terrible actually kind of like when you you watch it kind of like in the nostalgic like I just love it kind of way. I think it does a really great job at summing up kind of like in the nostalgic, like, I just love it kind of way. I think it does a really great job at summing up kind of like female dynamics and that like, you can get these four women that have got this really unique bond. And the bond between them is actually far stronger

than the bond between any of the men. Any of the guys, yeah. And it withstands so much more. And I think kind of like evolutionary wise, like when you think back to kind of like the, what you might call it? What's it called? Stone Age. Yeah, that's one. When you think back to the olden days, like the women would like stay home and raise the children and like live in a community and the men would be off hunting or fighting wars and they would come back and they would bring the food and have the sex and then they'd go off again. And yeah, I'm just going to put it out there that I know a fair few women who I don't think would be against that, like minus the fighting and yeah, it is it's kind of it's it's an interesting kind of like evolutionary dynamic dynamic that

like, I actually think like a community of like women living together, kind of people, I just think women would love that like, when you sleepovers with your friends, and, yeah, very kind of like different environment. And like, I've actually seen like, I think there's kind of a bit of a rise in like communal living. So married families kind of anything, part of it is economic part of it is environmental, but also this need for community. And I think part of that is almost replicating the thing of like, having other women around and that sense of community and sisterhood that as much as we love men, they actually don't and can't provide that.

Yeah, 100%. I mean, there's a reason why people always say if, you know, the world was filled with female leaders, there'd be a lot less war less war you know it would be it would be a different place. I've got a group of girlfriends and we used to often talk about the fact that we should just create our own commune let's go find a commune somewhere find a space build up this really holistic natural wonderful environment where we're all thriving um any other guys can guys can come and visit, but you know, do they need to be there all the time? Maybe not. You know, it's one of those situations. But I think, I think you're right that the ability that women have, and actually, my husband and I talk about this all the time, because I always say to him like, invest more in your friendships, why don't you go and see

your friends? Or why don't you talk to them more? And the difference in how we manage those relationships is night and day, and it's not just him, it's a lot of men just don't put the same level of time and effort in. I used to be a little bit jealous of some male friendships because, so growing up, I think maybe between like the ages of like 16, 17, 18, I thought, or I was maybe at the time, 16, 17, 18, I thought, or I was maybe at the time, a girl that actually preferred to hang around with guys. And it was really me, girls, I had female friends, but I found male friendships easier.

But that's complicated. Yes, they were far less emotional, they were far less kind of like committed. It was yeah, go on as you are when you want like you don't have to text all the time. And I have actually very much struggled with female friendships in the past. And I've lost friends. And these messages message me today, I would be so happy to hear from them. But I think they feel like, or maybe in the past, they felt that like that I burnt the bridge or I let them down because I think they feel like, or maybe in the past, they felt that like, that I burnt the bridge or I let them down because I couldn't be like almost how you would expect a partner to be.

Like, yeah. I'm following. Yeah. And I do, I struggle with that. And I think also when you're always the single one, you do get to a point where you've been through so many friendships where that person's been your best friend and then they meet someone and you're happy for them but you get replaced and when you've been through that a certain amount of times you do without even realizing it kind of

start to distance yourself a little bit and just be like well I can't I'm you know that person is not gonna at some point that person's gonna leave me. Yeah, I need to have some kind of like protection around myself And I do I think a lot of women experience that I Just so yeah, like I remember like I would hang around with guys a lot more just because it was easier Yeah, yeah Anything attached to it.

No, and I think, you know, one thing I'll say about you is you are a very low maintenance friend and it's everything that you're saying. And it took me a while to get used to the fact that actually you're not on your phone all the time, whereas I'm, you know, I respond within 0.5 seconds immediately. You just don't do that naturally. Now I can't ever imagine you any other, now I can't ever imagine you any other way. And I can't imagine our friendship any other way. And actually I wouldn't change it

because we know each other enough that we love each other, we're there for each other and we need each other. And we're always, like you said, happy to hear from each other. And actually I think there's a lot to be said for that kind of relationship, especially as you get older. And like you said, you know,

for one reason or another, your life might be pulled in different directions and you're not going clubbing every night or, you know, living together and all of that kind of stuff. And actually having those relationships where you go, I'm going to disappear for a little while because I've got some stuff going on, but I'll be back. And then they welcome you with open arms. that is really important and a lot of female friendships actually don't fall into that category because my thing is like I know that like I I definitely struggle with the like the the being there 24 7 like especially like and it's not an excuse but with my job like I just walk on my phone all the time. And I get a lot of kind of like social interaction

at work. So when I get home, I don't want to look at my phone. Yeah, I can't have any more screen time. Like it's it gets quite overwhelming. So it's like, well, then where is the space for social interaction with your actual friends? And I am aware of that. But I also know that I've been that like that for a very long time prior to kind of being a PT or anything else. Yeah. And I think it's interesting because we do have very different friendship styles. Yeah. And I do I think that like, I always want to respect your kind of like, wishes and your needs as a friend whilst also respecting mine and I think that goes both ways and I think it's that thing of like it's it's not personal like I like there are very few people from my past that I was friends with that I'm now not in contact with if

they message me as far as I'm concerned, there's no hard feelings. Yeah. I don't think they necessarily feel the same way because they probably feel like, you know, I was flaky or whatever. Yeah. But it's interesting how you can interpret those things. I do, I think those are kind of like the intricacies

of female friends that are wonderful, but also make them quite complicated. Yeah, yeah. And I think, you know, one thing, I'm just a very sensitive person and I will worry a lot about everything, actually particularly friendships. And, you know, I know there's a lot of people out there

who are similar to me where you worry that someone's angry at you, for no reason. And it just happens. And actually, now, I've cultivated a group of friends in my life who, when I'm having those kind of feelings, I can just drop the message and say, feeling a bit weird, are you annoyed at me for something? And then they'll just say yes or no back. And it's just a really adult conversation. And actually's just a really adult conversation. And actually I'm really conscious

that that's where I need to get with the people that are closest to me. Because otherwise, you know, my imagination, my intrusive thoughts, all of that kind of stuff can really get right in there. And I think whether it's male or female friendships, getting to that point in your life is a luxury and it's a special place to be.

And if anyone doesn't fall into some of those categories, you've got to keep them at acquaintance level, you know? They can't be in the same circle. What are some of your like green flags and red flags? Cause I know we had a conversation recently and I'm not gonna get into it, okay? So like it's your story to tell about a potential new mom friend. And I felt when we were talking about it,

very protective over you, because I know that you are someone, you're such a great friend, like you're so giving and so loving. So if I know that there is someone out there who has that opportunity to be well into your world, and isn't receptive to it. For me, I'm like, A, your loss, not you. I'm like, their loss, 100%. But also I know knowing you as I do, like, whereas I'd be like, fuck it. Your response is like, what have I done wrong? Why doesn't it fit me? You know, kind of like not, am I not enough? But it's you take it very personally. Whereas I probably wouldn't even notice. I mean, I think there's a midway point that maybe would be the ideal. But I need to be a bit more Sophie in those situations. I think, you know, those kind

of red flags, especially the ones that make me question myself, and my worth, and just generally make me feel uneasy. I've come to learn to not try so hard and to not, for me, it's almost like, you don't seem to like me. Hold on a second. I'm going to make you like me. It's that kind of attitude that's like it comes into play. And that is so you. Like, yeah, that's so how dare you not like me. Our other friend Saraya, like, we always joke that like we met when Saraya was like, what 16 or 15. And like you were like, hiya. And she was like, oh, and you were like, I'm gonna make you like me, you are gonna be my friend. And like, very well. But it is that thing. Whereas like, oh, and you're like, gonna make you like me, you're gonna be my friend. And

like, very well. But it is that thing. Whereas like, I mean, sorry, I couldn't be less like that. And like, now I have to say, I've got to the point where I don't, I'm tired. I'm tired. And I don't have the energy for it. And actually when you've got, you know, five or 10 amazing people in your life, you don't need one more mediocre person. It's, you know, and I think, you know, I was telling Sophie about, about a particular situation and then subsequently I've kind of said to myself, well, if that person's not making me feel good, if they're not adding any value to my life, then I can just stop making an effort and let it

drift away. And that's kind of what I'm doing. A long time ago, a friend said to me, and it's actually a friend that I fell out with, but she said, you know, when someone stops adding value to your life, you need to decide whether or not they still need to be there. And that's how I approach a lot of my relationships. No, but I don't think it has to be like a big thing. I don't think it has to be like this big, like, you're not my friend anymore. Yeah. Like sometimes things just fade away and yeah, that's okay. And maybe they come back in your life when things are more aligned. Like I do think that like, yeah, don't have to always be

this big. Like we need to sit down. Like if I don't feel good when I'm with you. I don't have the time or the energy to investing in that. And I do think it's quite I think as you get older and you know yourself more like it's quite almost a visceral reaction like you know. Yeah. Yeah. It's that feeling you know when you you're you're meant to go and see someone and every part of you is like, Oh, I don't want to do this. That's another red flag for me because if I'm feeling like that about going to see someone who is meant to be a friend, then that's a sign that maybe there's something that's not right here because life is short, time is short, you know, we should only be spending time with people that

we genuinely want to be around. Anything else is a huge red flag. Yeah, and I think the whole thing for me with female friendships and why kind of I want to speak. Yeah, and I think the whole thing for me with female friendships and why kind of I wanna speak about this day is I think it's because they can be so wonderful, like so like, you can't almost put your finger on it and I see it like, I've got a couple of women that like train together and the relationship that they have is just as like intimate and strong.

Yeah. As relationships that like they have with their romantic partners. Yeah. You know, and I think it also serves that purpose of like, they do things together that like, they wouldn't do with their husbands and vice versa. And I do think it's almost one of those things

that the only thing that really differentiates the relationships is the fact that like, they're procreating and having sex and living with a husband. I think there's almost like just as much, if not more intimacy between the relationships because it's just on a very interesting, like a really different level. And I just think it's like something really special and something that should be kind of embraced a bit more. Yeah, and celebrated. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Definitely. I remember when I had, when I knew that I was having a boy and not a girl, there was one part of me that was like, thank God, because dealing with the fallout of like bitchy girl friendships would have broken me. I, you know, as a sensitive mom, I would have been like, oh, fucking kill them.

And don't get me wrong, I know boys will have their own issues, but I was so happy that that wouldn't potentially be one of them. But, you know, talking to you now, I'm like, oh, well actually, there's a whole other side that's not, he's not gonna get to experience.

And that is the joy of female friendships. Because you can't always put it into words, but actually when they happen and they happen in the right way, it's magical. Like it's so wonderful. So yeah, Percy, he might have lived with female friends and then he'll still get to experience it. Yeah, no, I think I just think it's a really interesting dynamic. So I had a friend, I'm just gonna finish on this, I had a friend, I have a friend, who I met when I was living in Spain, a girl called Caitlin, also shout out to Emily, who I also met when I was living in Spain, because she's just like, as are you. But yeah, so

met Caitlin and like instantly just clicked. And it was like one of those things where we were like, I want to be your friend, I want to be your friend too. And like we lived together because we were doing like summer camp in Spain and little things like I just think there's this really interesting like love language between women where like we would leave each other like post-its like around the room or like hidden things like that and like guys would never do that. And I think it's just- Shout out to my husband who does actually leave post-its for me before he travels. But yes, I know what you mean.

There are special things that girls do. Yeah, but is it like, I can't imagine Matt doing that with like one of his guy friends. No, exactly, true. Yeah, and I think it's things like that where kind of like there is just something a little bit different. Yeah, celebrate the women in your life.

Definitely. You know, Valentine's Day is coming up. Please don't forget about Galentine's Day because those were some of my best Valentine's Days was spent with my girlfriends. I controversially and this probably won't surprise you. I'm all up for Valentine's Day in the sense that that really surprises me. Yeah, no, that's not what that surprise you, I'm all up for Valentine's Day in the sense that like- That really surprises me. Yeah, no, that's not what I'm coming onto though. Oh. I know, it's shocking. But I love love. And I think if you were lucky enough

to have someone in your life who, you know, don't ever try to take me out for dinner on Valentine's Day, can't think of anything worse, but a bunch of flowers cook me dinner, great. But I actually don't agree with single people trying to hijack Valentine's Day. It's not our holiday. Oh, but Sophie, it's a day of love. It doesn't need to be just romantic love. No, it's romantic. I am shocked. Yeah, I know. And I think that it's something that I've love? I think it is. I am shocked. Yeah, I know.

And I think that it's something that I've kind of realised like this year. I'm like, it's not my holiday. It's- You know what? When I had single Valentine's days, I hated being by myself on Valentine's day. And actually having the concept of Palatines or Galatines, it's as cheesy as it fucking is. It meant that people like me were like, cool, I'm not alone on this holiday that's been rammed down my throat all the time. And like I said, some of my favourite Valentine's days were spent with my girlfriends.

Yeah. I get that. And I do like I do I think like I get that and I see where it's coming from I think this year I'm just like I I don't feel lonely or like alone so it doesn't bother me yeah I think like I'm so happy for like someone like you like to have a lovely Valentine's Day and like I'll have like singles day you can't celebrate yeah exactly that's that That's where I'm at. So Friday I'm sitting on my own in the dark room, but you enjoy yours. I will, I will. I mean, it's my first Valentine's Day with my son, so the three of us are actually going out for dinner, which is going to be lovely. That's so cute. We're going for dinner at 5pm, which I pretend is because of him, but actually I have my

dinner at 5pm nowadays most of the time. Can we dress him up? Exactly. No, he's gonna wear his first of a pair of jeans on Valentine's Day. I know it's gonna be lovely. So cute. Well, it was so lovely. Yeah, definitely. It was lovely to speak to you. I hope to speak to you. We will not leave it so long next time. We'll not leave it so long. But yeah, thanks to everyone for listening. Appreciate it.

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