It Could Happen Here - 16 Dead and a Coverup: An NHS Trans Horror Story

Episode Date: May 27, 2025

Mia talks with journalist Mira Lazine of the Free Radical about how the UK government and media covered up the deaths of trans people. https://thefreeradical.org/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, this is Mia from the future. This was recorded in the now halcyon days of January 2025. Lots of things have changed. Basically everything everywhere has gotten worse. This is the story about about the oppression of trans people in the United Kingdom. This is very bleak in many ways. The United Kingdom has gotten worse since then. The UK Supreme Court has ruled that the definition of sex in the Equality Act of 2010 is quote binary and is decided by quote biological sex. So whatever the sex that some fucking doctor assigns you at birth is your sex specifically under the Equalities Act. A bunch of people in the UK have decided that this means that like the courts have ruled that like sex in general

Means quote-unquote biological sex. That's actually not what they ruled but they're doing anyways So there's been a whole bunch of things where for example The Labour Party has started purging trans women from any like one of their bodies that's supposed to be a woman's body So through the oppression of trans people continues to escalate. Yeah, our only path out is just open and active resistance against them. In a more positive note, Mira, our guest for this episode, has since this episode has struck out on her own and is now the mind and genius behind the outlet Free Radical, who we will link to here

and you should go support her work because it's great now to our episode it's it could happen here a podcast that is largely about the us that might that might exaggerate the extent to which is about the us but it is most episodes are about the us but sometimes it's about other places and one of the frequent places that it's about is the United Kingdom. And specifically, we're going to talk about the United Kingdom because the UK is both an image of the present and the future of the oppression of trans people. And there have been a bunch of just absolutely horrible things happening there that have gotten

very little press attention. And one of the one of those things is what appears to be a like, I guess I would call it like a two stage cover up of a bunch of suicides of trans kids on waiting lists for health care. And with me to talk about this fucking terrible shit is Mira Lazine, who's a freelance trans journalist. Mira, welcome to the show. Great to be here. Thank you for having me. Yeah, so I mean, god, this is one of those I always am excited to talk to people. But I swear to god, like one out of every four times this happens, it's like a I have to pollate you. I want to say I'm excited to talk to you about this because like Jesus

Christ, this is the most depressing shit I've seen in ages. Yeah, it's not a fun story. It's an important one. Probably one of the most important I've seen in ages. Yeah, it's not a fun story. It's an important one. Probably one of the most important I've ever poured it on, but not remotely fun. Yeah, so let's let's go back to the Halcyon days of mid 2024. I don't know things were surely bad then too, but they're worse now, but they were also bad then. Yeah. So can you talk a bit about how this story started and about what was going on with the National Health Service and the NHS, which is the British, basically the British healthcare system is run out of National Health Service. Can you talk about the whistleblowers there and what was going on with them? So, yeah, I first became aware of what was going on independently.

I was working with Alejandro Caraballo, the clinical instructor of cyber law clinic at Harvard. She's a friend of mine and we worked together on some decks. She and Ira and some other people were talking about the horrific waitlists going on with the NHS. It's terrible there. I mean, not even just for trans stuff. There's probably millions of reports of people having to wait months to get essential health care. Some people have died just from like their conditions being on the waitlist. We had both stumbled upon some old news reports from like years

prior about trans kids who had unfortunately committed suicide as a result of not getting the essential health play that you need on the waitlist. These stories are not talked about the media at all. They got like one art mention name what happened to them. And then that was it. So we started to investigate it. She was compiling a spreadsheet of everything she could find every news report of kids who experienced this. I was pitching help and contribute to that spreadsheet.

And then right around the same time, the director then of the Good Law Project, a civil rights organization that does a lot of legal stuff in the United Kingdom, his name is Jo-Ann Moggham, apologize if I mispronounced that. He came out with a Twitter thread revealing, and this was very suddenly, he hadn't contacted anyone about this. He just kind of posted it right when he got enough of a story and everything. He revealed that he was talking to a couple whistleblowers within the NHS about what was going down. And not only did he talk to some whistleblowers, but he also gained some independent evidence from himself, his own investigation from meeting minutes from officials in the NHS. And so what he found kind of began with the first whistleblower. This one was someone who did not reveal much

about who they were publicly and presumably to protect their job. But Morgan said that with his whistleblowers, he independently confirmed that they did work for the NHS. He saw their IDs. Morgan's not the type of guy to lie. He's a trusted figure in the UK political scene. First one said that there was only one reported suicide prior to 2020. Significance of 2020 in relation to Shred's healthcare at Night of Kingdom was that the infamous case Bell versus Taddeus stock. I'm not going to go into detail this case because it convoluted messy and hellish. But the gist of it is that it led to tightened restrictions on gender, sperm and care for

minors, particularly in the realm of puberty bloggers. This ruling ended up kind of restricting how might act as puberty bloggers. It was a leader overturned, but it already led to lasting damage. Even after it was overturned, a lot of doctors were hesitant to even prescribe your blockers because they were worried about political consequences. So a lot of minors weren't getting the care they need. Yeah. And we should also mention here, too, because I think this has been lost in a lot of the reporting on this, because like,

I mean, I guess this is a story where a lot of the reporting on this because like I mean I guess this is a story where a lot of the reporting was done by trans people just because like nobody gives a shit but like the thing about puberty blockers is that puberty blockers with Trent the healthcare of trans youth were always a sort of compromise measure that was you know sort of put in place as a compromise of like instead of letting kids actually transition and like you know go on hormones which is you know the thing that kids need, right? If your goal is to like improve the health outcomes of trans kids, like the

thing you actually want for them, like maximally is for them to have the ability to get gender affirming hormones. But you know, the, the, the, the sort of, the sort of compromise thing that was happening was like, well, you could have puberty blockers, but you know, you can start hormones later and that is not a good compromise to begin with, but losing it is even worse because the alternative to that is like you are now spending even more time with a bunch of fucking hormones in your system that you don't want. That little explanation is more of the hormones than you fucking want and you know, you're being forced to go through puberty,

which fucking sucks shit if you're going through I don't know I don't know if the wrong puberty is like the correct language or whatever but like it fucking sucks it's awful and but now you know and this is something that's happening in the US too it's also happening in the UK is that the compromise solutions are being knocked out and we're seeing this sort of knock-on effects of these kids Losing even the sort of compromise stuff. They were supposed to be getting Yeah, and they use complete bogus justifications for this. They're like, we don't see any

Benefits of puberty blockers and it's like the point is not that they are benefiting these kids directly No kid is like, oh boy, I get to be five years behind on puberty from my peers. I get to look like a 10 year old while all my peers have full on been everything. Oh boy. Like, no, the point is that these kids are being deprived of the care they absolutely need to stay alive. And it's being targeted just for the sole purpose of getting cheap political from what are the hell's in office. Yeah.

But more back to the whistleblowers. So prior to 2020, when the Bell v. Tavistock ruling came into effect, only one transmitter died from suicide. I don't quite remember how I'm bringing to estimate it, but it was broader than the one they used after, I believe it was like seven years, I think, and the years after, which was measured up to like the very beginning of 2024, like January 2024. So not even four years more like three years and two months. They've recorded 16 deaths. Yeah, 16 transgender minors committed suicide. And they were all able to be linked to restrictions on human rights and NHS waitlists. This whistleblower

says this data came directly from a doctor who analyzes this stuff professionally as like part of his job in the NHS. The doctor also wanted to be anonymous. Understandably, he named himself the quote, named doctor for safeguarding children. He tried to warn people in the NHS about this. He was like, Hey, there's something wrong. This isn't right. We are fucking up. Yeah. And he talked to so many different people, including Dr. Hillary Cass, who I'll talk about later. This is a literary device called foreshadowing, etc, etc. giant clip flashing thing here. Giant ominous music surrounding her name. He just warned of people basically. And they all ignored him. They all just according to him. And this is all alleged, I have to say, you know, this has not been verified in the court of law or anything. This is according to the

whistleblowers among them, but we have no reason to believe they lied or fabricated this information about this was not even revealed publicly. There's no public outcry. There was no action taken by the NHS or any of these clinics. So that is the first whistleblower and the whistleblowers connection to that doctor. The second one basically can and gave independent verification of this. They were like, yeah, I've seen the data for myself too. I can confirm this is legitimate. Now, it wasn't just these three staff members who were trying to raise alarm bells. According to the second whistleblower, staff in the NHS were like, hey, well, this is not cool. We need to do something. And so they got an open letter, sent it to their higher ups.

And reportedly, the director of the Tabistock Clinic, which was at the time the only gender affirming care clinic for minors in the entire United Kingdom. Since that is more opened up, but it's a really complicated thing. That's a headache to deal with. But head on shows at tap stock completely retaliated. They threatened them a disciplinary action. They suppressed material. They're basically were like, you go public about this. If you continue talking about this, you're gonna face consequences.

The thing the thing I instantly came to mind here and I think it's just specifically because of number 16 but like the first time I read this the first thing that came to my mind was there you know there's the sort of famous Chicago story of the police killing of McLint-McDonald where the slogan afterwards was 16 shots in a cover-up and this is fucking 16 dead in a cover-up and the about of fucking rage that I have for all for this all of this fucking shit that these people covered this up that they knew this was happening and we're just and and not only knew this was happening and not only didn't do anything about it but like actively contributed to fucking making it worse by threatening anyone to try to talk about it is just so unbelievably disgusting. Yeah I was the first one who broke the story. I basically reported on it like almost immediately

after Muldoon Republic about this because I knew not many people were going to report on this right away and it was going to kind of be a headache. I didn't know how you would, but I was the first one to report on it. I did it for journalist Aaron Reed, subsequent Aaron in the morning back in June of last year. And I had to stop writing it multiple times. Like I spent the entire day getting on it because it was stomach wrenching reading some of these stories and yeah, doing everything. The only reason I even got through it was because I dissociated the entire time and just kind of compartmentalize the anger a bunch for that. It's like, Jesus Christ, this is horrifying. But Malkin was not talking out of his ass with this too. He brought receipts

right in the initial thread. He showed leaked meeting minutes and like, you can see water marks from the NHS on these meeting minutes. Like it is, unless someone wants to suggest that he did a giant conspiracy and fabricated a bunch of very accurate meeting minutes that reflect publicly available meeting minutes elsewhere, it's pretty reputable. Yeah. These minutes show that NHS officials were aware of every single one of these deaths, every single one of them. People were in these meetings calling for an independent investigation into each of

these deaths, into gender affirming care for miters, into the restrictions. They wanted to investigate everything and had detailed data. They had information on the type of care they received, which was basically negligence. And instead of reporting on this publicly, instead of doing an investigation, they covered this up, they didn't do anything. And they just pretended like everything was fine. Like there was no deaths as a result of this. They were acting. Nothing wrong was going on. And these meeting minutes are still public too. Morgan is not believed in.

He said it's still on his Twitter account. Good Law Project is not fully a thing anymore. They're kind of dissolving their stuff right now, but Morgan is still keeping all his information up. It's all detailed. It's publicly there. People can see for themselves these minutes and it's horrifying seeing the physical proof. It's yeah, it's horrifying. Yeah, and we need to go to ads and when we come back, we'll get to the second fucking cover up because there was a second one. They did it again. This time with the British broadcasting. What the fuck does the C. This time with the British Broadcasting...

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I got multiple cover ups. Before we get to the second cover up, we need to talk about what the cash report is. Because that's also part of this that we kind of bounced around a little bit but then didn't. Yeah. Oh yeah. So the cast report is probably one of the worst things to come out of the anti-trans crowd in the past. Yeah. The gist of it is it's essentially a supposedly independent report commissioned by the United Government to investigate the efficacy of puberty blockers

and gender affirming care for minors authored by Dr. Hillard Cass, who they claim is an expert in the subject. I'll get to that in a second. The gist of what it was claiming is that no puberty blockers do anything to actually hurt the kids. They don't improve mental health. They don't protect anything. Suicide stay the same. It's all bad, get rid of them and actually restrict gender affirming care too. And also maybe we should de-transition these kids too. It's a very long document. It's actually a set of documents, but the primary one isn't incredibly long. I remember when it first came out last year, it's been in the works for a better part of the last decade, most of the 2010s. It's been in the works. I don't remember the exact year that it was initially commissioned, but it's been something United

Kingdom government has been waiting on for a while to take action for gender affirming care. Now, to understand the cast report, you got to understand a little bit about Hillary Cass. Hillary Cass is not an expert in gender affirming care, saying that for minors, she has never treated a transgender patient in her professional practice whatsoever. Which, thank God, yes, because holy shit. Oh, she is such a transphobe. Oh, my God. Yes.

But yeah, also utterly unqualified, completely unqualified. While she was writing it. Instead of talk with single trans person as like part of the consultant, because she didn't do it by herself. It's way too long for anyone to do buyers, but by themselves, she got a bunch of unknown advisors to help her with this, one of which is a Finnish psychiatrist who has been campaign against transgender rights for the past 20 years. Yeah. But she did not have any trans people on the consulting board, not a single

one. Well, of course. Why would you talk to a trans person about trans health care like that? Why would you? Trans people don't't know anything they need to be regulated and told exactly what's best for them by people who have never even talked to them before she Actually while she was writing it she talked to Florida health care officials during the Ron DeSantis illustration for information Yep on What to do like and these officials by the way, they weren't just like leftovers from the prior governor

They were up went to buy Ron DeSantis and have literally been Jews bidding in Restricting health care. Yeah appointed by the guy who in the last campaign cycle had a fucking ad with a son and rat in it. So like, you know, the level of Nazi we're dealing with here. And not only did she work with them, but there's even more. She worked with numerous people who were tied to anti hate groups, most notable of which is the quote society for evidence based gender medicine. God, they are probably one of the leading anti-trans groups right now. They are a Southern poverty law center desiccate group. They're not very fun people. They all have a financial interest in opposing transgender rights. Many of the people with them have been quite repaid to oppose transgender rights in courts. There's a whole

rabbit hole to get into there. The point being she's worked with hate groups, she's worked with the Sanchez appointees, she talked to no trans people, and she often lied a lot. When it, the cast review first came out, I was one of the people who was working around the clock to try to be like, hey, let's not just assume that this is immediately accurate because we should wait for independent scholars to evaluate this. There's a lot of shady stuff going on here. And wouldn't you know it, a lot of things were wrong. For starters, CAS misrepresented a lot of what she did for the review. It was supposed to be a systematic review into all the literature and public lockers.

The problem is she left out a bunch of studies, especially more recent ones with better elegies. She in her method degraded them, basically changed it up last minute and didn't seek your review for it from her institutions review the board. She didn't seek any ethical verification on anything. Yeah, which is which is amazing. It's like, do you know how fucked your report has to be and like your anti trans report has to be to not be able to survive a British peer review board? Like like Jesus Christ. Yeah, like it's it gets even worse because. As time went on, a lot of journalists, myself included,

found a bunch of little patch rolling out seat there. She was misrepresenting this study. She was interpreting that study. Lots of little information. It was she at one point cited a YouTube channel that is dedicated to opposing trans right. Then the YouTube channel in her fucking citations.

It was a tangential citation. But the point being the fact that she even discovered that shows her allegiances, she was in the cast review. She was trying to cast doubt on the leading medical association for trans people, the World Professional Association for Transgender Health. She was like, oh no, you're actually not good. You're politically biased. I'm not though.

Don't worry guys, don't investigate me. Yeah. And in the time since, there's been a shit ton of medical experts coming forward, opposing the cast review, being like, no, the methodology is garbage. Not just journalists saying it. There have quite literally been hundreds of mediburgs who have come forward to publicly oppose the cast review. These are people across a variety of fields, psychiatrists, pediatrician, endocrinologists,

basically everyone you could imagine who would be relevant to the study of transgender health and minors. They have come forward against it, including most of the leading researchers in the field, including people who have actually worked with trans people in a professional capacity. Yeah. Wow. And this review, it's the reason the United Kingdom went on last year to ban puberty blockers in all four countries within it. They started in England, then they spread it out to Scotland, Wales with their puberty blocker ban. And most recently, right before New Year's Day, banned it in Northern Ireland. And because of this, so many clinics are now just not treating trans people, including transgender adults, there are now transgender adults not getting the care they need. Yeah. Because

of something that even discuss trans adults in a meaningful capacity. Yeah. And that's, and that's part of the thing with the cast review, right? Is that like, you know, it literally, like, it could have just been like 700 pages of fuck you over and over again, and it would have had the same effects. Because the point of the cast review wasn't actually to like establish anything medically. It was to just have a document that you could point at and then justify any policy whatsoever. Like, it's kind of like the way the gambits and the bell curve works, we're like, none of the actual policy recommendations follow from any of the arguments

that they're making. But it exists so that you can make those policy arguments and then point to like, oh, it's because of IQ. And this is this is the same like, like bullshit IQ, like fake IQ science, right? Like, there's literally IQ science used to justify the puberty blocker ban. Of course there is They are claiming that puberty blockers reduce IQ using a study from like 2001 on one of this and a separate study on show my god a separate study on fucking sheep How are you measuring the IQ of sheep? Like what? Yeah, okay Yeah, we wheeled in the sheep to do the fucking army standard amplitude test like ah it scored real bad

gave it few ready bloggers and it scored even worse oh it's garbage science yeah but one of the important things like collisions here is that like so one of the one of the sort of things that's happening now is that fucking feral attack dog I don't know. Fucking sue me you motherfucker. We won the revolution. Eat shit. West Streeting, who's now running British health care, issued a fucking thing to ban puberty blockers for trans youth. You know, and he cites the cash report. Do you know what's not in the cash report? A recommendation to ban puberty blockers. You know what he's fucking doing anyways, because that's the

actual sort of purpose of the report is to serve as sort of like just a kind of like talisman you can hold up and say, ha, see, this is justified. Yeah. And can you talk about the whistleblowers and the cash report too, because this is a thing that has seen very, very little coverage that is extremely important. because this is a thing that has seen very, very little coverage that is extremely important. Yeah. So the whistleblowers, they literally reached out to the cast while she was writing the review.

She had to be like, hey, restricting puberty blockers isn't good. And like you said, Tass did not recommend a band, puberty blockers. She called for more research into it and like some restrictions, but not an outright ban that was not anywhere within it. Even with her extremism, she's like, maybe we shouldn't restrict everything completely, you know, maybe we should just de-transition some of the kids. But she did not advocate for a full on ban and And yet she ignored the whistleblowers. She ignored them when they came to her being like, Hey, there's evidence that restricting

puberty blockers is causing these deaths to wreck. And she didn't do anything. We don't know the specifics of that conversation. That's not public information. But you read the cast review, you're not coming away with it thinking, oh boy, she's really concerned about kids who are killing themselves. Yeah, you're coming away with it thinking she doesn't believe a shit and she has her own agenda. Yeah. And so okay, we're gonna take another ad break. And then we're going to get to the Promise second cover-up. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun?

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So okay, we have now introduced briefly the fucking spawn of Satan himself, West reading. Can you talk a little bit more about him and the cover up that he commissioned of this? So, yeah, when I wrote this story, it was getting no coverage, no other news outlet wanted to touch it. There were actually some journalists I talked to. I'm not going to name any names, but journalists I talked to who were trying to get their editors to publish a story on these claims. and they were like, I don't think so. I think we're going to do that.

It's too speculative and things like that. People were actively shutting it down, especially in the British media. Yeah. And for about a month, the NHS was in northernness and not getting public comment. Enter was streaming. So you said he is the head of British health care. Officially, he's like fucking the head of the secretary of state for health and social care, some shit like that.

But he's a sellout. He's a labor guy. You know, the party that's supposed to be at least kind of left wing in some. And he threw trans people under the bus the first chance he got right after turf started pressing him for it. West reading in all his awful, awful glory looked at Morgan's thread and thought, what if I denied this? So he commissioned Professor Lewis Appley for Appleby. He is a leading suicide researcher.

He at the University of Manchester, except even though he's been in the field of suicide research for decades in the past year or so, he's been cozying up to a lot of anti-trans people. Yes. There's a shit ton of tweets of him basically talking to TERFs, repeating the oh, we can't have men and women sports nonsense. He you can put this in going down the pipeline. Yeah, he's just he's a he's a turf. Yeah, like that's the yeah. He's not the church. He's a turf who I do.

It's not professionally really work with transients commit suicide. He does not discuss LGBTQ issues in his research as his primary focus. He does it for the general population. Yeah. I have reviewed every single study of his, so it's probably like one or two that talk about LGBTQ suicide rates. But by no means is he like the guy you go to to learn about why suicide attempts and suicide rates are thing in the LGBTQ population. West reading was like, Hey, Lewis, do you want to write a quote unquote debunking

of Morgham Strait? So enter the I have it up right now. They quote review of suicide and gender dysphoria, the Tavistock and portman nhs foundation trust independent report this guy He basically claimed that nope. There's no data for this Actually mongom's wrong. It's the data pans it out. The data doesn't lie It's also funny because this argument is that trans people were already killing themselves. Yeah, which is like Really fucking bleak when you think about it, but.

Now, there's a million breaks people can have with this. For starters, the data set is obviously too small to analyze fucking statistically. Makes no sense to try to do a fucking in-depth statistical analysis on what Mogg was cleaning with 16 kids. That's not what you're not going to get shit out of that. That's not really the big issue with it. The big issue that Morgan himself actually pointed out in the same day that this came out. Morgan pointed out that his analysis was just wrong from the start. For starters, this guy analyzed quote, current and former patients of gender identity service. Malkin's claims weren't about that. Malkin's claims were about those who were on the waiting list.

Which is, which is just nuts. Like I need to up here for a second. It's like the difference between again on the waiting list and have finished care. Like what? Yeah. What are we doing here? Like? Oh, God. How did this get past any media outlet? I mean, transphobia but but like, really? Yeah, now there's other problems with what it's kind of suspicious. So Apple by Applebee, however, he pronounced his last name. He's gonna call him Applebee's cuz fuck him. Yeah Applebee's fuck it He used data directly provided by NHS England. Now, students viewers will notice something.

Morgham never claimed to access data directly even to him from NHS England. He was given data from whistleblowers. Morgham actually in this, because he wrote a whole slide debunking this debunking. And Morgham was like, he revealed that he actually a month before this was published, he reached out to NHS England to be like, Hey, can I have your data on this subject? I've gotten a lot of information. I want to try to cooperate it. They denied him the data.

They just denied him it. Yeah. If I remember correctly, part of it was they claimed the data didn't exist. Yeah. Yeah. They claimed it didn't exist, that they just didn't have it at all. And something they pulled out of in there for good old Applebee's. There's some other major inconsistencies. As we know, Mogam had receipts. He provided information on minutes directly from NHS meetings discussing these suicides.

The minutes don't match up to the data Applebee's has. Applebee's is underestimating everything. And yeah, very recently, this has not gotten any media coverage at all. Those who have been following UK politics for a while, especially trans politics, will remember the unfortunate case of Alice Lippman. She was a young trans woman who committed suicide as a result of NHS waitlists years ago. Her mother, Claire Lippman, has been a staunch ally of trans people since. She's been one of the few cis people in the UK to be like, Hey, no, I'm, I'm putting my all behind trans people. She's a wonderful, she came out publicly revealing that Alice Lippman

was not included in Applebee's data set, even though she should have been. She was within years. So what this says is that Applebee's had bad data that didn't include Every kid. Yeah. Well, here's the thing. We don't know about that, right? It's it's possible. He had bad data It's possible. He's also just been falsifying his data because like again, he won't show it to us So we have no fucking idea what like what he was with what he was actually provided with and what he was like You know what or what things he did to the data sets that he was with what he was actually provided with and what he was like, you know, what or what what things he did to the data sets that he was given beforehand to produce what he's analyzing in his report.

True. And there was of course a bunch of smaller issues you could point out with Applebee's reveal, but the crux of it, it's bogus. Data is a matchup, as you said, he could be falsifying it. He could have just been given bad data. We don't know. He's not sharing anything. The NHS isn't sharing anything. Yeah. But all we know is that there's major inconsistencies and they are not doing shit with it. And this is where we enter everyone's favorite mainstream media.

The lovely British media, specifically outlets like the BBC, right? Literally within the first 24 hours of this review coming out, they reported on it. At this point, my coverage has been there for a month. It. Loggums claims have been out there for a month. They weren't touched. And yet the moment someone came out with the NHS trying to be like, um um, actually it's false. They were rushing to report on it, something they claimed was not newsworthy previously. Yeah. And mind you, Morgan's rebuttal to this review was posted publicly at this time, at the time that this media coverage was going up at the BBC article breaking the story up

the only discussion they give to basically any issues with this is just a couple brief sentences talking about Morgan's issues with him at the beginning they just claimed that Morgan had profound difficulties and at the very end of the article buried at the bottom, they gave Morgan like three sentences and they left out a lot of information. Like the minutes Morgan showed that he got from whistleblowers, the exact claims he got from whistleblowers. They just didn't report on it. They gave such intense coverage to Alpey's

Alpey's claims in the review. And then they just flat out ignored everything. Mogam was saying everything everyone else was saying. Now, again, I add, sure, we don't know for sure whether who's telling the truth, but the NHS has an incentive to lie here. Mogam doesn't, Mogam is getting his career torched, basically, because of going forward about all this. And you can tell which side the BBC is on. They give the Game and Way at the end, where they give the last word of this article

to Ken Barker, who is the chief executive of the LGB Alliance, which is an anti-trans hate group. And they give her the last sentence saying that oh trans people are spreading misinformation to serve a dangerous and homophobic ideology and I'd like quite specifically like Kate Barker if you ever fucking listen to this fuck you eat shit Like this is direct evidence that of the BBC's fucking political line here because again They're giving the closing statement to a group that is literally just an anti-transacre. Because the BBC is the institutional fucking media arm of the British government,

and the British government is institutionally transphobic. Yeah. And I'm not going to say that what the information right now we have is going to do. That's not the problem. The problem is, is it being investigated? Any non biased fucking NHS? Any non biased British? Yeah, would look at Morgan's claims and think, Oh, wow, we should look into this. We should independently verify. Yeah, we should try to cooperate everything saying or at least see if he's accurate, which which again, and I want to put this up. This is the job of a journalist. The job of a journalist is not to fucking literally

reprint a press report from fucking commissioned by the fucking government. Your job is to go find the fucking whistleblowers and talk to people. Did the British, did the fucking BBC do this? No, of course they didn't because they're fucking PR hacks. Yep. They're PR hacks for a transgenocide. And quite frankly, and I will

say this on the fucking record because I'm not a journalist fuck these people like This is this is what the BBC wants like they like fucking dead trans kids in a cover-up is what they institutionally what this fucking organization wants Because they fucking hate trans people and they are completely okay with all of this shit happening as long as long as they fucking Get to do another story about how fucking JK Rowling is a brave truth teller or whatever like this is this is what these people want I agree and I also agree as your statement the British media can all go fuck themselves and I hope they rob in hell yeah I don't know how you can as a journalist someone trained to prioritize truth and nothing but the

truth look at all this and think this is suspicious going on here. There's nothing the Lawrence further investigation, even if Malcolm's claims are false, right? Even if everything, Malcolm says, he made it up. He's an influential guy. He has been covered by the media for his lawsuits with the Good Law Project countless times before he's made national headlines there. And they don't investigate this at all like yeah

They're rushing to report on everything fucking JK Rowling says everything Some random fucking turf is saying Maya Angelou Whatever care if you want to run. Oh, yeah, I'm realizing there are people listening to this I don't know maybe you're so listening to the episode you don't know about the JK Rowling turf stuff, but like, to get an understanding of like how vehement of like an anti-trans hate figure she is, like anti-trans groups literally wear her face as a mask. Like I'm not joking. She fucking retweeted them. An anti-trans group literally wearing like printed out copies of her face as a mask. Like that is that that is

the status that she has in in in the anti-trans world right like and then the bbc fucking loves her so everything she does she and she's not even an expert in anything she's a fucking author of children's books like yeah you know it's like well we'll talk to the authors of children's books when we talk to trans people know I mean, that's the never think about this is like the BBC never talked to a trans person They did talk to an anti-trans hate group though. So, you know, you you know, you know what fucking side of this is considered valid by the British political media establishment

oh and also at the bottom and like I know that they're doing this because this is just like standard policy for like if you're doing a thing, sorry about suicide, but the very end of the article is a is a link to a bunch of suicidal crisis hotlines. So I One one last fuck you to every trans person reading this Yeah, but the one-two punch of we quoted an anti-trans hate figure here is a suicide hotline is like real Yeah, it's it's a it's a fucking insult it Yeah, it just gets me how they yeah didn't report on these claims at all when they were initially made

Like it didn't even have to be a big story like most fucking outlets I've written for would have just reported as like all this this this, this guy said this, we're waiting more information. Okay, whatever. It wouldn't be a good reporting, but it'd be the bare minimum. They didn't even do that. They rushed to just repeat whatever the fuck a commission review from the government said that's more reputable, I guess, than, you know, leading advocates who actually cited their sources instead of just throwing shit at the wall.

Yep. And I think that's as good of a place as ND to stop unless you have anything else you want to make sure people know about about this. No, I think that's it. Yeah. Thank you so much for coming on the show. And where can people find you in your work? Yeah. Thank you for having me. I can primarily be found on Blue Sky. That is the main place I post now. Yeah, I'm at mirielajine.bluesky.social. Beyond that, you'll probably see one of my articles published around because I am constantly working my ass off. Yeah, so this is what could happen here. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, there's still time for this not to happen here. So yeah, go organize and go make West Street and the BBC have a bad day.

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