It Could Happen Here - A Future Without Coffee feat. Prop

Episode Date: October 10, 2024

Turns out climate change is also coming for our coffee! Guest host Prop from Hood Politics with Prop walks us through the coffee supply chain and how irresponsible harvesting practices have led us to the possibility of a future without coffee. Then he shows us how people in the industry, through regenerative indigenous practices, are saving our soil. Sources: https://www.un.org/en/climatechange/what-is-climate-changehttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-12-18/coffee-s-future-looks-bitter-as-climate-change-hits-from-brazil-to-vietnam?embedded-checkout=truehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqnZkvKIo0ghttps://apnews.com/article/brazil-climate-change-drought-coffee-harvest-a6516a4b314e6ba7c11513c08afb6996Good Coffee: https://www.bext360.com/#/Onyx Coffee: https://onyxcoffeelab.com/?srsltid=AfmBOoqkoy-rSGjm53d4V-HFxAvccdbdtX2j9PRlxVWJ-goOkaFW7StvCxffee Black: https://cxffeeblack.com/La Palma el Tuyucan: https://lapalmayeltucanhotel.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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how your children will probably never be able to drink the coffee that you have drank because climate change abounds but before we do i'm also realizing how many singers in the 80s was singing to teenagers, to children. You know, the absolute banger of a song. If I could fly, I pick you up. I take you into the night. Great song, right? And show you love that you never see do you know what the first lyric in that song is she's only 16 years old leave her alone unless he wasn't a teenager

just openly singing what was we thinking freaking bell bib devoe into me baby backstage underage gotta lick it i fly i like to do the wild thing oh you're we're just openly singing the kids let me get back on topic because not only could it happen here, it is happening here. So you may or may not know me. I am Los Angeles born and raised. I host the politics with prop on the cool zone media team. And I am your resident coffee nerd. And a lot of that grew out of just a natural passion for coffee, which you will hear me

gush about later. But I think I'm going to back into this topic with back that thing up with the story from a few years back. See, a few years back, I had a chance to put out a poetry book called Terraform, Building a Livable World. And Terraform also had four musical EP, seven song EPs called The Sky, The Soil, The People, and The Possibility. And while I was working on the soil, I had a chance to partner with one of the, I mean, really it's like, I don't know if there's a better roaster in America called Onyx, believe it or not in

Northwest Arkansas. And in a collab sort of coffee release we were doing in partnership with Mir, which is a drinkware company I'm also an ambassador for. We had a chance to go to Colombia. And if you've been to South America or anywhere close to the equator, it's, I mean, you're walking into the Avatar, you know, minus the aliens. It's this raw sort of earth that us in the northern hemisphere it's just colors of green that you just can't imagine that like our our pantones have yet to match the type of green in a forest that has to be a certain amount of miles above sea level for it to grow coffee so we fly into bogota we go about an hour and a half outside of the city which normally when you go to origin it's like you have to

like take a rickety helicopter or traverse 12 hours into you know an african jungle which is like not the most plush riding but it's just it's this beautiful south american you know colombian road and then you go up this this small sort of windy road and while it's sunny beautiful i don't just made whatever combination of human made these Colombians so beautiful but there's not I mean everyone's beautiful it is the most how gorgeous every human is there along with this plush green you come over this hill and because of the way that this farm we're going to is set inside in between in a small valley that's about four to five thousand feet above sea level there's this beautiful fog that lays over the top of this just gorgeous, gorgeous rainforest, right? There's a grape vineyards. There's a few of those. There's

avocados. There's all these just beautiful multi, instead of a monoculture,ulture monoculture is a farm of just one thing this is a multi-culture place that this crew called lapama el tuacan that's who i was with and all this beauty and vegetation that i'm describing apparently 12 years ago was not a thing this place was the textbook like cartoonish level example of deforestation where all of this natural beauty was cleared out for cattle raising and the land was dead but you would never guess you would never guess that this was ever an issue because what i'm looking at is narnia so this group of local born and raised brothers came up with a business plan and started restoring this land i can't overstate the before and after picture like the land was dying them with their regenerative like you know farming practices made this a rainforest again that

is now growing some of the best coffee on earth. So anyway, we come in there. It's beautiful. There are no words to express how beautiful this is. I have a song called The Soil is Sacred that I shot the video at that farm. So if you want to just go ahead and peep that, peep that to understand this place. This place is not only just a coffee farm. It's also a bike trail adventure place. It's a hotel. You stay in these bungalows that are like up on sticks. And then the shower is outdoors, just covered around bamboo sticks that like

he, the thing, and it's got like the, uh, what I, what we like to call the anti-black shower heads. You know, those are the, uh, I don't know if y'all know this because black people don't always like to wet our hair in the shower. We wash our hair much less than y'all do. But if you got that, uh, waterfall shower head, then that means we got to tilt our heads back a little bit or make sure we got a shower cap. because I don't know if you know any black women, but you don't don't wet my hair in the shower anyway. But you're showering out there and it's just beautiful. You're in the rainforest. You can hear the animals. It's just the gentle breeze is blowing. And then around 1130, the the fog kind of clears out. You get to sit down. You're having

some breakfast that's just chopped up papaya and mango that they grew right there, right? I could see the mango tree. It's right there. And then they'll fry up some plantain from the plantain tree right there, scrambling up with some eggs from the chicken nest right there right just it's a dream and as we're talking as we're moving through this thing the man that that runs it who like i wish i could have his baby it was just the most gorgeous human i've ever seen just flowing flowing coiffed hair speaking english and Spanish. The guy could play seven instruments at some point while we're cupping coffee. The dude breaks into a bachata and then some cumbia.

And he's just singing these Colombian folklore songs while flipping over a bucket and playing drums. It's just like you guys, you're in a movie. You're in a movie. And then he casually drops. Yeah, we only got 27 more of those. I was like, 27 more of what? He goes, oh, yeah, part of the mission of this farm is if we don't do something, there is 27 harvests left. I was like, of what?

He goes, of topsoil. Coffee's going to go extinct in 27 years to him talk about the the possibility of a world without coffee how we got here and what people are doing to hopefully save the glorious being all right i feel like coffee is like the perfect analogy the perfect one-to-one ratio for the ways for which the global north has treated the global south specifically black people but by and large just it's the perfect metaphor for the raping and pillaging of resources, including people that has happened across the world. So coffee originates solely from Ethiopia. Okay. So it's already, it's, it's black. This is the early 1500s. Legend is that some sheep farmers saw that their sheep were going crazy, like just mad, mad energy after they had ate a particular cherry. Because again, coffee is a cherry, which is actually a very delicious

cherry, you know, and the bean inside is not the bean, it's the pit or the seed that's inside of the coffee cherry. So yeah, legend is like, that's how they figured it out. Like, dang, they eat these, uh, these cherries and then they go crazy. Like, I wonder if that's going to give us strength to, you know, so it's originally discovered in Ethiopia. Ethiopia is the only natural place that coffee grows in every other coffee bean across the world was propagated from the Ethiopian one. It only grows between the Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn along the equator. That is the only place that it naturally grows, but because of climate change and because of, you know, GMO and genetically

modifying and all these different things that we've done with crossbreeding and stuff like, you know, we've been able to grow it in regions that aren't naturally the temperature and elevation that they naturally grow in there are many different varietals of what we call that's what they're called varietals of this particular cherry or plant but overall you can break the species of coffee plant into three types so you have typica which most people don't drink unless like if you have a coffee farm that you actually export from. Like a lot of times the Typica stuff is just the stuff that you keep for yourself. Like most coffee farmers have never actually tasted their best coffee because you ship that off to the rest of the world to make your money. Then there's Robustica, which is like what most of the um like instant coffee is made from

really a lot of the world actually drinks that but it's a it's an acquired taste like when you go through south america like i know when i went to my uh grandmother-in-law's house like she you know she boiled the water with the canela the cinnamon sticks and poured instant coffee in there and like as much of a coffee snob as i am i'm like that's the best that's one of the best cups of coffee i've ever had in my life you know people always ask me what's the what's the best cup of coffee you ever had and i'm like honestly it's the one in your hand that's the best cup i feel like there's like a bell curve where it's like yeah you discover it then you hit this level of snobbity then you become like a like a new

christian about it and you're just like one of the evangelized and tell everybody and then you become just like a theological snob and you're just like uh are you putting cream like full extraction or die death over decaf like you would become that dude and then you just come over the other end of that hump and you're just like dude it's just coffee man you know so yeah so that's robustica which like i said most of the world actually drinks that and then the specialty level the one that most of us are used to drinking now is called arabica and it's kind of like it's the top tier based on whatever subjective scale we use to say what is the best coffee. But the fertile band, as what we call it around the coffee industry, is this band that, you know, kind of belts around the equator. So that's why in Central and South America, in certain parts of Africa and in Asia, coffee can naturally be grown.

It takes a particular elevation, right? And you can even follow the transatlantic slave trade. You could follow the transatlantic slave trade by following the distribution of coffee, how coffee got to the Americas, transatlantic slave trade. Anyway, there used to be this beef between Ethiopia and Yemen as to like who made coffee first, because without getting too much into nerdery, I want to stay in the narrative here, but coffee first from Ethiopia went to Yemen. And the argument with the Yemenis is that they were the ones that grounded it and made it into a hot drink.

So that's their argument that the Ethiopians didn't do that first, but anybody that really knows it, it's just like, dude, it originates in Africa. I'd be willing to bet too, that if you kind of have developed somewhat of a palette for like a good clean cup of coffee, you would probably feel like Ethiopian beans are the best. And mostly it's just because like, well, that's where it's from. And they have like at least a hundred year headstart in cultivating how to make a bomb bean.

As a fun aside, if you get your hand on a Yemenese bean, it's a flavor profile you've probably never had in your life. That's why if you ever go to a place and they have like a Yemenese geisha, it costs so much because Yemen has been with the Houthis and such like that, have been locked into this civil war. Funded by America, Saudi Arabia, and Iran. You know, let's tie it all together, guys. That's what I'm saying. It's a metaphor for everything. Why coffee can't get exported out of Yemen is because of this civil war. It costs so much to get coffee out of Yemen.

Because of these, you know, wars funded by Western countries. Anyway countries anyway so from Yemen it got to Turkey you know this is around the time of like when the Islamic world was really the superpower of the planet you know with people like Averroes you could do your little history on that and just all of the most beautiful libraries, science, history, algebra, math, philosophy was all coming from the Muslim world. And it was through the Muslim world that coffee got to Europe. So at first Europe wouldn't drink coffee because they thought it was Muslim. That's what the dirty little brown folks is doing, right? Until it got to Belgium, which is one of the funnest stories to me, again, as coffee remaining this metaphor for the suffering of people of color everywhere. So anyway, remember, Europe is a place for tea, but you know, they got their tea from India.

Anyway, so one of the archbishops in Belgium was presented this coffee thing. And because it was brought to Europe by the Muslims, the people there thought they couldn't drink it. So this bishop was like, I don't know. Let me try it. So I don't know. This might be folklore. But he drinks this coffee and he says now i'm not gonna quote him directly it's the part that i think is folk this happened but this is the part that says folklore he was

like uh if this is evil let's baptize it because we can make it for good he was like this too delicious to let go why should the devil get all the good drinks you know i'm saying i'm trying to drink good too we could drink unto the lord all things was made for his glory including this coffee there used to be this argument over which one was better for you coffee or tea they even did this test with these prisoners where they gave one of them all coffee and the other one all tea to see who would live longer and of course since that is like the least scientific thing you could do possible you know even if the guy that coffee lived longer it don't matter because it's not real science anyway i personally am very thankful that coffee got to europe because again something that was discovered and came from black people

for which we're willing to share freely, like our music, like our slang, like our style of dress, you're welcome. You know what I'm saying? But don't act like this, your house, you could put your flavor on it and we could all enjoy because it was the Scandinavian countries that figured out light roasting and a lot of the the nerdery for the third wave specialty coffee that you see now, that you're right. That's from Europe. Italy did not discover coffee. Italy did espresso.

I'm thankful for that. But they were only able to do espresso because of the labor of people of color in the global south. You're following my metaphor here? Coffee got to the americas via the slave trade but if you can just look at a map the jungles in angola and the jungles of brazil are the same jungle there's just an ocean in between it so of course when the africans got there they would recognize the soil and be able to grow the same things. Are y'all following me?

We're talking about a industry that makes four hundred and sixty billion dollars globally every year and less than one percent goes back to Africa. Less than one percent actually goes to those that actually grow the product. You are you following me on this metaphor? Coffee has its own stock market because it's a commodity. It's called the C market. It fluctuates like that. You know when you look on a bag and it says fair trade and direct trade? Let me tell you what that means. The price per pound for coffee per pallet is. At what they call a fair trade price. So there's a coffee commission. That sets what is a fair amount.

For that coffee. So you're supposed to. It's like a fair market value for a house. You know who sets that? Germany. Here's the problem with that. Germany can't grow coffee. How are y'all setting up for a farm.

To be considered organic. Or meeting specialty coffee somebody a farmer in kenya oh they die gotta fly somebody from germany down to their farm for them to test their soil to tell them that their soil is healthy enough to tell these people from germany can't grow coffee you this this was so that's fair trade is if germany says that this price is right direct trade is when me the american buyer goes to the farmer themselves and i asked the farmer how much is it i direct traded with them the farmer tells us now why i partnered with onyx and all the other people that you see me partnering with first of all is because whatever that price partnered with Onyx and all the other people that you see me partnering with, first of all, is because whatever that price is, what Onyx does is they'll pay 30% more.

So that's to guarantee not only is this a price that the farmer set, we're going to pay you even more than that. There's an understanding of value in the fact that we don't have an industry without you. And sometimes I work at this other crew called Beck's 360, which I'm going to talk about a little later at the end of this. I'm saying these are ways for you to be able to say, because everyone should be able to drink coffee. These are ways for which you could say, I am not being a part of the problem in these ways. I could be part of the solution, but yes, a billion dollar industry created on the backs of brown folk controlled by white folks. I'm just saying it's a metaphor. Billion dollar industry. When's the

last time you walked into a coffee shop and thought, wow, this is something invented, harvested and nurtured by people of color. No, you don't think that. People think Italy. It's such a metaphor. And now because of harsh conditions, erosive topsoil, and abusive practices, we only got 27 harvests left. Now let's get to the science and things we can do. All right, let's go to some sort of ad break, right? How do y'all do them at Iqalup in here? Am I supposed to to some sort of ad break, right? How do y'all do them at It Could Happen Here? Am I supposed to do some sort of like speaking of situation? I don't know. Hey guys, I'm Kate Max.

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have been just local, indigenous, rainforest living families. It's your grandma. And I know this from my own experience. This is like your grandparents' house. Like you inherit this farm, you know, like you inherit this farm you know or you inherit this plot of land and you got a couple coffee plants in the back now us being you know in a neoliberal globally connected late stage capitalistic society how do you get that commodity if we're not growing them in the heartland of America. Well, because we can't, number one. We have to create a supply chain.

And the supply chain is just as industrial as every other thing is. So from the origin, you have a green buyer. And the green buyer is essentially the middle person. So that person has all the relationships with the farms. So they create these relationships with the farms. So they create these relationships with these farms. Usually depending on your relationship with that green buyer is you, you take orders from them that sometimes depending on how big or small that green buyer is, some of those are like multi-state multi-country, like big old corporations that, you know, go across the world

and they swoop up and, uh, Walmart of it all. And like, just like buy up all these small farms. Now, some of these places, some of these green buyers own the farms because they bought them from the indigenous populations and others are like, no, we just have relationships and we pay, like I explained before, fair market value, fair trade. And then I, on the other end, like, let's just say I'm, you know, I will use my own company Terraform. This isn't the process I use, but this is just the supply chain. So I would approach that green buyer. I'd go to their website and say, Hey, I want to roast a Kenyan heirloom. That would be the varietal. Like I want to, that's a type of bean. I want a Kenyan heirloom. And I go, Oh,

dope. They got it at, I'm making up this number, 18 cents a pound. It's not like that. It's much more, but okay. Dope. So they get the order on the other end. They see what they got in stock or they got to go to origin, right? So they go to origin, they get the thing. And then some countries make you buy an entire shipping container because it's just not worth it. If you're, you know, you're in Costa Rica, you're a farmer in Costa Rica, it doesn't make any financial sense to try to ship out just like one burlap bag. Like the cost is too high.

So it's like, yo, you gotta buy a pallet or not a pallet, you gotta buy a shipping container, right? So what most small like micro roasters do is they buddy up with other people that are like, yo, let's all do this. We'll kind of go in on this shipping container. So you have the farmer, you have the green buyer, and then the green buyer makes the deal with the shipment team. The shipping container gets filled. Then you got to

pay the nation's tariff. So then that's where the country comes in. Now, why some coffees cost more than others, some of it has to do with the tariffs. It's like Ethiopia charges some like 59% tariff as they should, because they tired of being raped by white people just like everybody else is. From there, once it hits land, us as the roasters, we would go divvy up the funds. We've already paid them. And then you go to your roasting facility. Now, if you a big boy, you got your own roasting facility. But most of the time, you know, a person may have one machine in the back of their coffee shop or if they don't even have that, then they share a facility where they roast a bunch of different roasters roast at

that one place. Once it's roast, it's getting in a bag and into your cup. Now, this is the like specialty coffee way. Now, we talk at Starbucks. Starbucks walks over there and they say, hey, specialty coffee way. Now, if we talk at Starbucks, Starbucks walks over there and they say, hey, let me buy this city. And they got their own shipping people and their own situation. And then they roast in like something the size of a mountain. Now, what I'm talking about is third wave coffee. What that means is there's a lot of nerdy stuff. That means it's first wave coffee is like the coffee that your grandpa drank in World War II. It's just, you know, mud. You know what I'm saying? Even the term Americano was because when the American GIs is like the coffee that your grandpa drank in world war ii it's just you know mud you know i'm saying even the term americano was because when the american gis were in europe and they wanted

a cup of coffee because in europe they drank espresso the americans was like this is disgusting what is this so they just add water to it so they called that an americano because that's the type the americans like anyway so that's first wave coffee second wave coffee is like starbucks or the coffee spots that like have the ton of serps in the back and the name of their shop is probably some sort of pun like in france the central perk java chip those are the ones that like the uh big suburban churches would have their own coffee shops like corn in the house hebrews just some sort of corny that's second where it's like you know that's a triple macchiato you know with double pump all of the sweet frou-frou stuff that's second wave and then third wave is what we

call specialty coffee and that's where the big bucks come in because you can sell them at a higher premium. Now for it to be considered specialty coffee on a scale of one to a hundred, you have to grade that bean at an 80 or above. Now, coffees that are graded in the nineties, unless you've been to Dubai or Qatar, you've never drank it. Those go there because American, we can't afford it. So the farmers don't even show it to them. But the most of the like, if you go to like a good coffee shop, you're drinking about an 83 to an 85. But it's not like their whole crop is that. Most farmers are just small plots.

So what do you do with the rest of it? Well, the rest of it, which is the most of your harvest, to make the numbers round, let's just say you have 100 coffee trees, maybe 10 of them produced an 85, right? So that's 10%. So you've spent all year fighting drought, fighting climate change, fighting excessive heat, fighting all that only for of your whole plantation, only to get 10% of it to be actually be available to sell the rest of it. It just goes to the stock market and you just hope and pray that you're able to sell it but you have that three weeks to try to make your year's salary so what happens is since you can only sell 10 only 10 of it is even available

to sell right i'm talking specialty coffee this is where we are now if in fact somebody comes in here and pays it and then they only pay fair trade rather than direct trade price, you're getting a price set by Germany is not even enough to pay the little kids that just missed school to be able to pick your farm because that's who actually picks the cherries. It's just day work, just kids from the farming community that come in there. They try to make a day's wage to pick their things. So what happens is to be able to survive this, this is how it is in Honduras to be able to survive. You go get a loan from the government to be able to make your money for the year. And then hopefully off that harvest, you can pay that loan back and make enough for the next year. So you don't have to get a loan. The problem is they're charging these farmers 30% interest. So they're locked into this situation that says,

I can't even afford to even keep my family plot because I'm just staying in debt. So then what do you do? Government ain't dumb. They'll re-up your loan. So they're like, oh, cool, no problem. We'll just, we'll re-up your loan. So these farmers end up being

hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and it's adding every year because they can never catch up which is bonkers considering how much coffee we drink across the world one would think they would be fine so i mean what's your option you sell the land or you just remove the coffee just go get some cows sell beef right deforest i mean there's money to make there or you sell it to a big conglomerate and what does the big conglomerate do burn down all of the forests and create a monoculture right and a monoculture are like what you would picture what we do in america for corn or all through the amazon rainforest and if you know obviously you've seen a forest monoculture

ain't how earth works right the diversity of plants becomes its own fertilizer but if you know, obviously you've seen a forest monoculture ain't how earth works, right? The diversity of plants becomes its own fertilizer. But if you don't have that, if you don't have chickens that survive off the avocados and, you know, I'm pulling things out of nowhere. But like the point I'm trying to make is when you create a monoculture, you have to also create a way to sustain that. And the only way to sustain it is destructive. a way to sustain that. And the only way to sustain it is destructive. One cup of coffee in this way releases, what was it? 80 grams of CO2. I mean, it's like driving half a mile. Like your cup of coffee is a half a mile full of poison. If done the way that most of the bigger names in the

industry do it, which is now rising our carbon, right? And if you're going to do that, then that means you need a gang of fertilizer, right? Which is bad for the soil. And then you also need to use way more water than naturally required. Matter of fact, according to the UN, one cup of coffee uses 130 liters of water. If you're doing this like monoculture style, right? That looks like farming the way we do it here. One cup of coffee, 130 liters of water, which is a bathtub. That's like a bathtub full of water to create this one cup. So obviously multiply that times a billion. Not only is this practice like everything else in this neo-capitalistic world. The demand was so big and the desire to get the most amount of money with the least amount

of price is destroying the very thing that makes the product possible. Now, the rest of the world isn't stupid. We understand that this process is not sustainable, right? We're killing the soil. We're killing the land. Everybody knows that. So the EU passed this law that says, if you're going to import any sort of commodity, including coffee, you have to prove that it didn't come from deforestation, right? So this is them

trying to do their best. The only problem is if I'm an indigenous farmer on a small plot, I don't even have access to deforestation. But the only way for me to prove that is, like I said before with the fair trade, I have to fly somebody down. It's on my own dime. It's because the EU doesn't understand regenerative practices because they don't know any indigenous people. Right. So this is now adding a double burden to the farmers that are actually doing it right, who can't possibly do the volume of the people that are doing it wrong. So the first problem is like this system is not even financially sustainable. Like I haven't even got to the specifics of the deforestation and all those things that have caused this problem. Now, according to Bloomberg, there's a 2022 study of tropical cash crops included

Arabica, as well as avocado and cashew are probably the most vulnerable to climate change because the regions that are suitable for this production continue to shrink because of why? Heat. It's too hot, which means that Arabica won't be able to grow. So we'll probably have to start drinking Robustica, right? It's estimated that in 30 years from now, basically 50% of lands that can grow coffee will not be able to grow coffee anymore. If we don't do anything. 50%. You think they're making fun of you for your $12 cup of coffee is crazy.

Now, listen, Nestle reports that there are more than 6,000 cups of Nescafe coffee drank every second. Are y'all following me? Every second. That's how much coffee we drink. Now, granted, that coffee is not Arabica. It's Robustica. Robustica is what really most of the rest of the world drinks. most of the rest of the world drinks it's us again being a part of the northern hemisphere being a part of the global north that like the pristine kind of good shiny type right the problem

is our insatiable desire to consume things as fast as we can and And I don't want to, I'm not blaming the victim here. I'm just saying it's impossible to do the volume is, is the argument. How do you do this volume that we all want in this global supply chain and the way for which we've set this up? How do you do this volume and still keep the price where the price is? And you know what the solution has always been. You just rip off the farmer and destroy the earth. So deforestation giving us too much carbon, which has made the weather erratic, which means that some years the crop is flooded and it doesn't grow right because it's too much rain.

Other years it's complete drought and you have to dig even further into the ground to try to get the amount of water that had we not raised the temperature 1.5 degrees celsius had we done some changes the earth would be the same so brazil is the biggest coffee producer in the world right and this year this year was the worst drought they've had in seven decades with above average temperatures and one of the biggest producers out there associated press interviewed him silvio almeida and that fool's coffee plantation the ap just reported this was expected to harvest 120 sacks of coffee beans, but they only got 100. And then they're quoted saying, given the conditions here in 2025, crop is already affected.

He told Associated Press, pointing out that part of his plantation where flower buds have already died before blooming. I won't say it's doomed because God can do anything. But based on the situation, it's already compromised. can do anything but based on the situation it's already compromised what these people are saying is like next year's crops already dead this where we are y'all are y'all hearing what i'm saying he's saying we ain't gonna have no coffee next year it's already dead y'all remember when robert read off his little book you know the whole started off the whole it can happen here thing and in one of them places after the civil war and went down coffee was something you had to smuggle into the country like a drug this what he talking about there ain't

gonna be no coffee y'all i was at an event two years ago it's called the color of coffee collective it was for the black people in the coffee industry and of course this is stretched to the whole diaspora so you know central and south american um just ultimately people of color in the coffee industry connect you know plot strategize have some transparency in our supply chains because a lot of us in america in the west scream you know pro black pro black we for the culture we for the people and like to put you know the faces of our farmers on our bags in you know part of the marketing but most people who are in the coffee

have never gone to the source so you don't know italy you know i'm saying you don't you don't know tabby who like is is actually growing your coffee. You know what I'm saying? It's just a name on a spreadsheet brought into you from an importer, right? Anyway, so there was a panel discussion about climate change and about ways for which we can do better. So they had a bunch of farmers. I remember it was a farmer from Kenya who gave us these just heaters, just these heat

rocks, these bars during this panel discussion. And after I show you these bars, I'm going to go for a break. And then I'm going to tell you about people that are doing things better in ways for which we can maybe save our soil so that your kids can possibly enjoy coffee also. So someone asked, I believe it was a roaster from Puerto Rico was like, Hey, so what are some of the ways that you're adapting and hoping to like mitigate climate change? Like how are y'all dealing with climate change? So these, he was asking this Kenyan farmer, like what's he doing for climate change? And his answer was, I mean, you tell me

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All right, we're back. Now, the wildest thing about how complicated any of these solutions are, which are going to take many, many decades to actually see the difference in the actual topsoil. The most bonkers part is the fact that like the solutions by and large are kind of the same across any world problem. It's mutual aid. It's collective, communal, collaborative work among every part of the supply chain. It's so, so in some senses it's so beautiful that like really the solution is us i say that to not grossly oversimplify but i say that to say that there's hope so i'm going to introduce you to a couple programs and a couple farms and sort of some things to look for in your coffee purchasing because you guys want to see the world be better

also first thing is farms going back to indigenous practices now two i know personally and one i'm going to tell you about from ecuador this there's a whole documentary on it if you look up on youtube it's called how climate change threatened coffeeened Coffee Production by DW Documentaries. And I mean, right, like pretty on the nose. So a coffee collective in Ecuador called Vailacori. It's their Kichwa language. It means green gold in their indigenous language. And they're doing something very similar to my friends in Honduras called Caracha Coffee. Now, what they are are cooperatives on the business side. So I'm so excited. I'm going to get to the business cooperative side after I explain to you the indigenous practices, even though all of these things are related. So what they do is

something that's so obvious, which is like, you got to stop doing monocultures. First of all, it makes sense financially because now you're diversifying your commodities. So you have your coffee plants. If you see a coffee plant, coffee plants are pretty short. Like they don't grow taller than six foot normally. So since the climate is so hot, what is the natural way to shade them? Well, the natural way to shade them is trees. So if you plant them among trees, the types of trees that, first of all, naturally fertilize the soil. Number two, they produce fruit. Number three, they produce raw materials, right?

So these people have planted trees that are indigenous to the area. So a lot of times in coffee places, like there are certain species of beans that really only grow in particular regions. But the only reason they grow in those particular regions is because of the mineral. lot of times in coffee places like there are certain species of beans that really only grow in particular regions but the only reason they grow in those particular regions is because of the mineral the way that the minerals are in the ground in that area so if you can mimic those minerals if you bring those minerals to this place you could grow that bean so technically speaking if i have the my minerals i can be in costa rica and grow a Rwandan coffee because it's just the Rwandan soil in Costa Rica. And you could still argue that it is. This is some of the future of like if it do ever get so bad.

Right. When they grow in coffee in Sacramento, you know, I'm saying in Vancouver, in some sort of building. It's because we just gather the minerals that we've destroyed and put them in a laboratory. That's not good for the earth. That's not, that's an invasive, not only invasive species, invasive mineral. So you're completely changing the biosphere of that land just to grow that one crop. That's absurd. The land already does what it needs to do. So what these guys do in Ecuador is the same thing they do in Colombia, in Zipacón. That was the name of the city that they were in. Also, what's happening in Honduras is like you just let the land do what it does.

What I learned on one of these farms is like the quickest way to know a place is not organic is there's no insects. Like if there's no ants, that means the ground's poisonous, right? The ants come out, they eat whatever waste is on the ground, whatever like natural waste is on the ground. They come back in, they go back into the soil. They're irrigating them soils themselves. You don't need lawnmowers if you have chickens, right? The chickens eat the thing. The shade of the trees keeps the temperature down. It produces fruits like avocado, papaya, like I said before, mangoes, plantains. These trees that naturally grow in this area keep the soil rich and the coffee strong. So you're keeping the temperature

down. The land does what it absolutely does. So now you don't need pesticides. You also need less water because when the temperature being shaded and brought down, the water is not evaporating as fast. Whoa. And then the quality of the bean is higher. Now, here's where the indigenous practices move from just the ground to also the community. Rather than having a hundred small farms compete against each other. They just work as a community. So rather than waiting for Johnny European to come down and say, buy my beans, no, buy my beans, buy my beans. They're like, no, buy our beans. They pull all the beans together,

bring all of their crops together. And they say, yeah, maybe I can't produce whatever kilos that this person needs by themselves, but we can produce that. So that way, if there's a farm over here, that's got a smaller crop because maybe, you know, mother-in-law got sick. So they weren't able to work as hard as they can for those beans, or maybe collectively, again, heat dome was too high. There was too much of a drought. We really couldn't grow that much on our own together Together though, we could meet this order. You following me? And when that happens, because again, who usually picks the beans are the community's kids. Now, if we can collectively fill the order, right? After we cup and we say collectively, our coffees are good enough. And there's different types of species. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like this is a,

I don't want to get too much into the nerdery, but each, each bean in each tree is a particular species. Maybe when we cup, we say, Hey, listen, this is the same thing that happened on Doris. It's like, you know, we sit around and we're tasting, we're basically doing a taste test. These different batches of beans. I don't know which farm they came from. I know they're all a part of this collective, but if I say, yo, I want these, then when we pay, since it's not a middleman, it's a community. Now the main load goes to the particular farm that it was ordered from, but the rest of it goes and is spread across the entire community. You following me? Okay. Now back to the soil situation. I feel like I'm all over the

place, but you have to understand because the problem's all over the place. And a lot of these places are connected. So in Colombia, they kind of did the same thing. So La Palma del Tuacan is the place that everybody comes into. And since every individual farmer does not have connections across the world with bringing buyers in, and there's no promise that they won't be taken advantage of and they ain't gonna be able to sell but maybe five ten percent of they crop the rest of it either goes to the trash or goes to the c market it's just the open stock market you just hope somebody buys your beans it's just no way to live as i explained before what lapama ends up doing is this is they say okay, okay, well, check this out.

We'll buy your coffee, all of it. And not only will we buy your coffee because we know you need soil, we're going to set you up with a business so that not only can you sell your coffee to us, you can also sell your fertilizer to us. And the fertilizer that you're creating, we're going to build that business for you. And how they do this is this thing called biochar. Now, it makes so much sense. If you have donkeys and other places that pigs and other animals that have waste, you can make fertilizer. Duh, right? So what they do is this. They have these compost, these big old flat things that they build in front of you. They basically, they build it for you. They go, went to all the local farms and they were like, we'll build this for you. Right. And then we'll buy the product from you. So they build these flatbed things where you could take all the stuff that you would compost

anyway and put it in this flatbed, cover it. And then we're going to give you this stuff called biochar, which is some of the dopest like mother nature showing off. So basically it's made from like you heat wood right at the highest of temperature with no oxygen. So once it becomes carbon, it doesn't turn to ash. You know what I mean? It's almost like, you know, when you like, after you light a fire, when you hold the charred pieces, like how it crumbles away. This one, because you heat it at the highest temperature without letting oxygen in. So like, it doesn't become like a, like a red fire. You know what I'm saying? And then you mix that into your compost and it just makes this pristine soil. So now guess what?

These farmers don't have to pay for soil. They don't have to pay for nutrient wrench soil. Matter of fact, they can sell off the excess. Their crops already been sold. So you don't have to go get a loan from the state. You would need that loan to be able to set up your washing stations. loan from the state, you would need that loan to be able to set up your washing stations. How you get the coffee from a cherry to the roast or to the green bean, it's a long process.

It could be very expensive. It's all good. The homies down there will do that for you. We'll put you in this system and we're going to pay you even if your particular crop, your particular bean isn't sold because we'll sell it somehow. Like if it doesn't sell on the high end, 80% Arabica specialty coffee thing, we'll figure out a way to sell it. You're still getting paid anyway. We're buying your whole crop rather than the 10% that would happen. Like I said before, if your beans aren't as good as they're supposed to be, these programs buy a hundred percent from these farmers. So these farmers are able to sustain themselves, right? And now you can pass these farms down to your children, right? Because we're doing this collectively. Since we're doing this collectively, especially this is what happens in Honduras, a third

of the money goes to the community itself. I've rapped at a school that was built by them selling the coffee like this. There's now a medical clinic. A lot of times these farms are hundreds of miles away from the city. You have to get airlifted if something's wrong. And since these are indigenous communities, they're the most forgotten oftentimes in these areas. So purchasing these coffees really at a high price,

which is what we're supposed to do, guarantees that the individual farmer is paid, the community is paid. It's done in a way that's tied much more to the indigenous practices. And now collectively, because we're buying from responsible places that are locally grown, now we can afford to bring the EU people down here to prove that this is not a process of deforestation because they're moving collectively. For real, it's just like fast fashion. It's like that t-shirt only $3 because of sweatshop. You truly do get what you pay for in a lot of ways. And finally, I'm going to tell you where

tech is actually helping. And it's this program called Bext360. They could use a little help on the marketing, but it's essentially they're using blockchain to create transparency. And it's probably the dopest thing I've ever seen. And I saw it from one end of the supply chain to the other. So in this program, these local farmers, right, who had just had these small home plots, who have been running these plots for centuries, this, they grandfather's land, they, you know, they grandmama's land that they got it, who don't have access to American and worldwide coffee buyers meet up with this collective, right? The Karacha Collective. That's one of them that I'm specifically talking about. And Karacha signed up with this thing called Bext.

And what happens in Bext is, if you've ever been to developing countries, not everybody ain't got a smartphone. So in this thing, once the farmer harvests all his beans, washes them and says, hey, I got these many kilos of this type of bean, click. Opens his Bext app on his smartphone,

takes a picture of it and puts the weights and the numbers so that we know everybody and everybody in the supply chain can see this. There's a QR code even on the bag. Once you buy the bag in Sacramento, there's a QR code on it so you could see all this. So the kid from the farm snaps the bag. Once you buy the bag in Sacramento, there's a QR code on it. So you could see all this. So the kid from the farm snaps the thing. It goes to the exporter, which who just lives down the street. It's not like some, you know, multi-conglomerate company from the North. No,

this lady lives down the street. She's born and raised here. She opens it up and she says to us who flew in from America to be like, yo, we want to try some coffee. Opens the app and says, hey, this is the farmer, this where it is, this how much he wants, this how much he asking for it. Here's our price. But I'm looking at the app. That's what he's charging. And then I know she's adding a third of that price because the other third of what she's asking for is literally paying for the hospital that's across the street. So it makes perfect sense to me. And I'm looking at it and I'm like, OK, cool. I know how much the shipping container costs because I'm seeing it. Of course, I got to pay for shipping.

What are you talking about? So it's all transparent. It all makes sense. And it's all regenerative financially and climate wise. Once we buy it, I can see if she paid the farmer because that's also in the app. So once the farmer gets his money, takes a picture, got the money screenshot received, and then a portion of that money is given in cash so that you could pay the kids that picked your farm click saw that that's in the app right as that stuff is shipped across the country or across the ocean you can put in all of the roasting notes which are kind of lame if you're not really into stuff like that and then finally the sealed bag that says here's one from

denver queen city uh collective coffee right that hey look this is a honduras bean we bought it this the sealed bag that says, here's one from Denver, Queen City Collective Coffee, right? That, hey, look, this is a Honduras bean that we bought at this price. And then when you pay, it's called a third cost. When you buy the bag, there's an extra dollar added to the cost of the bag. And that extra dollar does not go to the roaster. It goes back to the farmer. You know how I know? Because there's a QR code. You could check it. And the farmer can confirm if they got their money. It's transparency. It's us taking care of us. So obviously, because the world works the way it works, if this continues to be financially viable, here's some of the things we could do. One is we could start drinking more Robustica like everybody else. And it's actually delicious if you could find a good roaster. Entabi is a great roaster. Nguyen Supply, she's amazing.

She does cold brew and like Vietnamese coffee, it's Robustica. But then there's other spots across the world. It's going to cost a little more, but I'm telling you why it costs a little more. Because they come from a multicultural land that uses indigenous practices that has lowered its carbon footprint, that is direct traded and has transparency. This is not a list of everybody doing this. These are the list of people that I know personally and people that have researched. So in North CAC and South CAC, you got black and white roasters and you got bridge city roasters, Denver, there's queen city collective up in Sacramento. There's old soul coffee, Onyx coffee lab, coffee black. That's a there in Memphis. All these people, you could order their coffees online. Don Cava Hall in New York. The transparency is there and is doing its

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