It Could Happen Here - Anarchism In Mexico feat. Andrew, Pt.1
Episode Date: May 19, 2025Andrew is joined by Garrison to conclude his series on Latin American anarchism by talking about the spread of radical ideas in Mexico throughout the 19th century. See omnystudio.com/listen...er for privacy information.
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This may be my final episode on Latin American Anarchism.
That is, we've covered Peru, Chile, Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, the many countries
of Central America, the former countries of Gran Colombia, and the Hispano-Fuente Islands
of the Caribbean.
Now we're finally getting to the big one, Mexico.
And I say we because I'm here with.
Garrison Davis. Hello.
This is this has been it's got to be like a year long series now, right?
At this point, yeah.
It's been going on for some time with breaks in between and everything.
I'm very, very excited.
Yeah. To introduce myself real quick, I'm Andrew Sage.
You can find me on YouTube at Andrewism.
And be sure to check out the show notes for all the references, including Angel Capuleti's
anarchism in Latin America, which was an indispensable resource for the entirety of this project.
Without further ado, faminos.
We have a lot to cover.
Mexico is a massive and storied country, so I can only really give you a gist of its pre-colonial
and colonial history for the necessary context. We have to start thousands of years before
the name Mexico or MEH-HEE-CO even existed, of course. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica,
the land we now call Mexico is home to some of the world's most unique ancient civilizations.
First came the Olmecs, often called the mother culture of Mesoamerica, known for their colossal
stone heads and influence on later cultures.
Then the Maya with their dazzling cities, mathematics and calendars.
And eventually the Aztecs who built the grand empire settled on Tenochtitlan, which is
now Mexico City.
Unfortunately, we can't spend much time on this rich history.
We must progress to the time of European contact.
In 1519, everything changed.
Spanish conquistador Hernan Cortes arrived, and within just two years, the mighty Aztec
Empire fell.
Disease, alliances with native enemies of the Aztecs, technological advantages, and
brutal warfare aided the Spaniards in overthrowing a civilization of millions.
What followed was three centuries of colonial rule under New Spain, marked by extraction,
Catholic conversion, and the mixing, often violently, of indigenous European and African peoples.
By the early 1800s, the winds of independence were finally blowing.
A Catholic priest named Miguel Hidalgo sparked the fight with a cry for freedom in 1810.
Specifically, he sought the end of rule by Spanish peninsulars, which are the people
who came from Spain and ruled over Mexico. He called for the equality
of races and he called for the redistribution of land. As Angel Capuleti put it in Anarchism
and Latin America, Hidalgo proposed to abolish, even if by gentle and gradual means, what
he called in almost Pridonian terms the horrible right of territorial property, perpetual,
hereditary, and exclusive.
This whole land topic is going to come up a lot in the history by the way. You may be
familiar with the phrase, land and freedom. Tierra y libertad. That comes from Mexico.
Anyway, it took more than a decade of war, but by 1821, Mexico had finally broken free from Spain.
Freedom though, didn't mean stability.
The 19th century saw emperors come and go, cause there was actually a time when Mexico
was a monarchy, foreign invasions by the United States via the Manifest Destiny, and Napoleon's
France via Monarchical Latin League, and internal power struggles.
The Zapotec president Benito Juarez, who from 1864 to 1867 had resisted foreign occupation
by Napoleon's Emperor Maximilian and fought for constitutional reform, sought to stabilize,
secularize, and modernize the country.
In the mid-1800s, figures like Juarez led a sweeping movement against the old powers of Mexico, the Catholic
Church and the military, which had long dominated both land and politics.
To the layers de reforma, they seized church property, secularized education, and promised
a new era of rights and equality.
But there was a catch, because to weaken the church, the liberals sold off
its land, not to the peasants or indigenous communities who had worked on it for generations,
but to wealthy buyers. Ejidos, the communal lands of indigenous peoples, were privatized.
Under this liberal banner of freedom and progress, they created a new class of landlords and
pushed rural people deeper into poverty.
Benito Juarez died, but his legacy lived on with those reforms to cement the separation
of church and state, freedom of religion, the prohibition of forced labour, and so on.
But following him came the Porfiriato, a 30 year long dictatorship under the Mixtec President
Porfirio Diaz, who continued the modernization of the country but also deepened its long-standing inequalities.
Porfirio Diaz surrounded himself with intellectuals known as the científicos.
They were positivists, as in, adherents of the positivist school of philosophy, which
advocated for rational planning and economic development as a path to social progress. His slogan was Pan o Palo, the bread
or the stick, and reflected the policy of rewarding compliance with prosperity while
punishing dissent with severe consequences. The liberty, order and progress equation sacrificed
liberty as the Mexican people were expected to trade freedom for the benefit of these policies.
Workers ended up facing low wages, long hours, and of course, lacked rights, while estate
laborers were landless and under the arbitrary rule of mayordomos.
Education was largely restricted to elites in major cities.
Groups like the Yaqui Indians were forcibly relocated as cheap labor to
plantations. Governors, though supposedly elected, were effectively presidential appointees,
monitored by Jife's politicos to intervene in the local affairs. The Rularis, an elite
constabulary, maintained order but often disregarded due process, which fostered a whole reign
of terror in the rural areas. Diaz's popularity eventually waned as prosperity was monopolized by a small, often foreign
elite.
This elite emulated European customs, which created a stark divide with the growing proletariat
and middle classes.
By the second half of the 19th century, Mexico was caught in a contradiction.
A state that promised emancipation through property rights, while dispossessing the very
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of property, power, and the state itself.
A younger generation began questioning the system, and with
this rising criticism came rising repression, which set the stage for the Mexican Revolution of 1910.
Robert Leonard This whole era of like the turn of the millennia
and the start of the 20th century has like so much of this same stuff happening all over the world.
That's kind of one of the biggest trends that we've been able to see
throughout your Latin American anarchism series is like how how much they all
mirror each other and like how much of like a global movements used to exist,
like not not like a organized fashion, but like there's like some like other
force that is that is like a driving these like global trends of like
revolt and revolution.
Yeah.
And like we see this a lot in like the yeah, like the 1910 to 1920 time period.
I mean, even just in Latin America.
Absolutely.
I also think, of course, it's really easy to notice these trends and notice these tides
of history and retrospect.
You know, when you're submerged in it, it's just like, you know, all these conversations
and stuff happening for sure, all these events and stuff happening around you.
But as we look in the past, you could say, oh, wow, this is like a global pattern.
You know, so I'm always curious to see, like, when we look back, I mean, the 2010s are already over.
The narratives around it are still formulating.
Right. We're still in the midst of the 1920s. Oh, not 1920s.
The 2020s.
So, you know, the narratives around it will still be developing all now.
But we're already halfway through and I'm sure people have already seen certain
trends that are going to make for some excellent retrospective commentary.
Definitely. Yeah.
Like the past 10 years, we've seen this global far right power grab and this
rebirth of right wing populism sweeping a whole bunch of neoliberal democracies,
like post 90s, post war on terror, post end of history stuff, where you see the full extent of
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Exactly.
I think part of it as well is a failure to advance a positive direction and a positive
program.
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You know?
When we allow the tunes of discourse, the arena of discussion to be dictated by the right.
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their efforts, you know, we may slow down the progress of their goals.
But ultimately, as long as we are engaging in dialogue with their goals, they are slowly
inching their goals closer and closer to reality.
Yeah, yeah, that is certainly the trend that I've been seeing the past 10 years, and I'm
sure many people have.
Yeah, I mean, the Overton window is pretty much entirely dictated by what they decide.
You know, I think I've mentioned this before, the right decided they wanted to talk about
critical race theory, and then critical race theory became the center of conversation.
The right decided they wanted to target.
DEI, gender ideology.
Right, yeah.
And then that becomes the whole thing, the whole center discussion.
They're not putting forward the policies that are going to hurt pretty much everybody as
the center of their policy.
That's more like an aside thing.
When they give themselves, you know, salary raises and they cut taxes on the rich.
That's not the center of their political messages.
The center of their political messages, you know, various cultural related issues that they can use to rally their base.
But it's nothing that's actually benefiting people.
You know, and instead of circumventing that effort to dictate the course of conversation, dictate our own
conversations instead of just kind of following along the tale.
But that's a bit outside the scope of this, that's a bit of a digression here.
Before we get to the point of the Mexican Revolution though, we should really take a
look at the slow and steady development of radical ideas in Mexico during the 19th century. You see, Indigenous resistance persisted throughout Mexico's history
through often quiet revolt, acts of non-cooperation that would steadily ensure that Spain could never
fully establish its dominion. Even after independence, the colonial structure lived on
in the haciendas, the church and the state, so the indigenous communities would continue to resist, sometimes in profoundly anti-authoritarian ways.
By the 19th century, and this history is courtesy of Angel Capulet's anarchism in
Latin America, as I mentioned, in 1861 a man arrived in Mexico with a very distinct name.
He was Protino Constantino Rocañati. He was a Greek immigrant, radicalized
by the revolutions in Europe and steeped in the works of Furia, who was a utopian socialist,
and Perón, who was an anarchist. He had fled the counter-revolutionary tide, crashing over
the continent, with a misher. Rodocanati believed Mexico, with its long-standing indigenous traditions of communal landholding
and mutual aid, was the perfect place to plant the seeds of a new utopian society.
And in a lot of ways, he was right.
He saw in the Ejido system, the indigenous communal land tenure, a living echo of the
kind of society utopians in Europe could only dream of.
Where the liberal elite saw backwardness, Rudrakanati saw potential. His aim wasn't to civilise these communities,
but to learn from them and help them protect their autonomy from the encroaching state
through political philosophy and practice. He seems to be a very interesting fellow,
by the way. I mean, he apparently spoke seven languages. He practiced
medicine by day and philosophy by night. He was a Christian, but not anything like the
Christians that dominated Mexico at the time. Because, as Aníl Capuleti put it,
for him the essence of Christianity is charity, that is, love for all, as it is taught in the
Gospels. And that essence is the moral foundation of socialism and revolution as well. Pure Christianity, he wrote, is the religion that will regenerate the world when people finally
come to understand the power of its basic principles, liberty, equality, and fraternity.
But it is Christianity without dogma, like Saint Simon's, and without priesthood, liturgy,
or hierarchical organization, the model for which he finds the life of Jesus and his earliest
followers.
Primitive Christianity is authentic Christianity, but has been entirely degraded by the Catholic
and Protestant churches, and has nothing to do with so many sects that call themselves
Christian."
A few months after his arrival in 1861, he published a socialist primer in Mexico that
marked him as the first anarchist to put forward distinctly
anarchist theory in the country. In the mid-1860s, he formed a group called La Social, the goal
of spreading the ideas of mutualism, free association, and anti-capitalist cooperation
through books, pamphlets, and education.
Paroconati and his collaborators launched worker schools aimed at promoting literacy,
political consciousness, and autonomy.
One such school was the Escuela del Rayo y del Socialismo.
The School of Lightning and Socialism.
Hell yeah.
It combined moral instruction with a deep critique of the exploitative labor system.
This was education as a rebellion.
Not just to read, but to recognize the expectation
and to imagine alternatives.
Rodecantati thought of his socialism as the fullest expression of the French revolutionary
motto of liberty, equality, and fraternity, which no half-measure like liberalism could
ever reach.
He recognized that the immediate objective must be, quote, the extinction of poverty,
the distribution and increase of the commonwealth, the extinction of poverty, the distribution and increase
of the commonwealth, the abolition of prostitution, and the conservation of all our faculties,
including the intellectual, physical, and moral ones, for the transformation of humanity
through science, beauty, and virtue."
End quote.
One of those things was not like the others, I'm sure you noticed.
There was a standout inclusion there, owing in part to his unique circumstances
as a man with a Greek father, Austrian mother, a French education and Mexican home.
He said quote, We are cosmopolitans by nature, citizens of all nations and contemporaries
to all the ages.
The greatest and most heroic human actions belong equally to all."
End quote.
In other words, our country is the entire world and all men are our brothers.
He also wrote that, the abolition of all government in the nations, which frightens you and you
consider impossible and absurd, though you've never tried it, will usher in a totally new world of institutions in
which the peoples of the world will live in happiness." I don't feel emotions correctly. I am talking to a felon right now And I cannot decide if I like him or not those were some callers from my call-in podcast therapy gecko
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a social revolution in which many heroic victims will be sacrificed in the sacred altar to
restore the justice denied to the people.
His work attracted young radicals, many of whom would later play key roles in the development
of Mexico's labour movement.
Before he started La Social, he had initiated the first Grupo de Estudiantes Socialistas,
from which came figures such as Santiago Villanueva, who tried to organise the workers' movement,
Hermenegildo Villavicencio, and Francisco Zaracosta, a leader of rural masses.
It's the core of this group that would help him to create La Social, which would educate and agitate but also assist workers beyond mutual aid to an active class
struggle posture in defense of their interests against bosses. So basically, he took these
mutual aid societies and made sure that they didn't stay mutual aid societies, that they
were radicalized into resistance societies. Because those sort of mutual aid associations were very common in Latin America at the time.
Workers would create these little groups, but they would try and support each other.
But it's very easy to fall back on that and assume that's all you have to do.
Making sure that they have a radical posture, a revolutionary posture, is important to ensure
that you're not just resting on your laurels and expecting change to come to you.
And indeed, they did not expect the change to come to them. In June 1865, these resistant societies
supported the first industrial strike in Mexico. Unfortunately, it was crushed by the leader of the
country at the time, Emperor Maximilian, but it was his occupation and the economic harshness of it all that fomented the spread of anarchist ideas. Another student out of the rogue-knazis schooled
Kim Julio Chavez, a precursor to the more famous Emiliano Zapata and a fervent anarchist communist.
He agitated for peasant rebellion and engaged in land expropriations, which grew in popularity
wherever he was active, from the Chalcotec-Soco
region where he began, to all the states of Puebla and Morelia. As Capuletti recounts,
the Federal Army finally moved against him and defeated and imprisoned he was executed in 1869
by order of President Benito Juarez. Before he died, Chavez cried out, Long live Socialism.
His manifesto, which was written a few months before he died, would help introduce more
masses in the Mexican movement to the idea of class struggle.
And like a light bulb over one's head, it immediately made it clear who was responsible
for their suffering.
Santiago Villanueva and a fellow student of Arrukinati named Villa Vicencio worked arduously
to organize the artisans and workers in Mexico City.
And they definitely had their cards stacked against them.
But they helped to organise an industrial strike in a textile mill in 1868.
And in 1869 they established the Circulo Peraltario and in 1870 the Gran Circulo de Obreros de
México and in 1871 the newspaper El Socialista.
And this is when the red and black so famously associated with anarchism came into the Mexican
workers movement.
The 1870s saw struggles between radical and moderate factions among workers, proletarian
press making a name for themselves, and the first convention of the General Workers Congress
of the Mexican Republic in 1876, with a manifesto that indicated the grown influence of libertarian ideology in Mexico. Of course, there was a tension in that congress
between the socialists and the anarchists, but water is wet. Sadly, Mexico wasn't ready for
revolution. Or rather, the ruling class wasn't. While Rota-Kanati and others sowed seeds among students and workers, the country was swinging
toward reaction.
As I mentioned earlier, with the rise of Forfidio Diaz in 1876, any space for radical thought
began to close.
Diaz, the strong man of modernization, was obsessed with order and progress.
He welcomed foreign capital, built railroads across the nation,
and gutted the countryside to make room for exports. And he crushed dissent.
While Rokinati avoided outright persecution, thanks in part to his foreign status and pacifist
leanings, the educational projects he inspired were dismantled or sidelined. The more confrontational
elements of the early anarchist current went underground. Those who spoke of abolishing property or questioned the Porphyrian vision of modernity
were met with jail, exile, or worse.
Roto-Canadian allies Alacosta, through his newspaper La Internacional, promoted a 12-point
socialist agenda advocating a universal social republic, municipal autonomy, workers' rights, workers' associations, wage abolition, and
property equality.
Despite Diaz's rise, in 1877 he led a present uprising in Sierra Gorda and Planes de la
Baranca, battling federal forces until 1880.
Despite his defeat and imprisonment in 1881, the rebellion persisted.
Salacosta's ally, Colonel Alberto Santa Fe,
introduced the Ley del Pueblo, influenced by Macunin's ideas, though not a purely
anarchist manifesto. This document emphasized land distribution, national industry promotion,
army suppression, and free education. Santa Fe argued that true Mexican independence depended on reclaiming stolen lands, a movement
which of course gained traction among the peasants.
General Negrete supported Santa Fe's revolutionary efforts just as he had backed Chavez-Lopez
and Salacosta earlier.
Santa Fe's resistance against Diaz's dictatorship was more radical than mere electoral opposition.
It aimed at transferring sovereignty to local municipalities and land
to peasant collectors. However, by the 1890s, Diaz effectively suppressed most worker movements
through bribery and repression. While industrial workers and miners fared slightly better than
the peasants, wages steadily declined after 1898. Nordequinahtati left Mexico in 1886 after giving over two decades of his life to the cause.
But his two decades of sowing seeds would eventually flourish in the Mexican Revolution,
which we'll be covering in the next episode. Thanks for tuning in. I'm Andrew Sage, you can
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I don't feel emotions correctly.
I collect my roommates' toenails and fingernails.
Those were some callers from my call-in podcast, Therapy Gecko.
It's a show where I take phone calls from anonymous strangers as a fake gecko therapist
and try to learn a little bit about their lives.
I know that's a weird concept,
but I promise it's very interesting.
Check it out for yourself by searching for Therapy Gecko
on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you get your podcasts.
I want you to ask yourself right now, how am I actually doing? Because it's a question
that we rarely ask ourselves. All of May is actually Mental Health Awareness Month and
on the psychology of your twenties, we are taking a vulnerable look at why mental health
is so hard to talk about. Prepare for our conversations to go deep.
I spent the majority of my teenage years and my twenties just feeling absolutely terrified.
I had a panic attack on a conference call.
Knowing that she had six months to live, I was no longer pretending that this was my best friend.
So this Mental Health Awareness Month, take that extra bit of care of your wellbeing.
Listen to the psychology of your 20s on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, host of the podcast.
Are you a Charlotte?
Sarah Jessica Parker is here and she is sharing stories from the very beginning.
Like the time she forgot we filmed the pilot episode.
I remember some things about shooting the pilot.
Right.
I have some memories I can fill you in.
You're going to fill me in.
Yes.
But then you forgot about it.
I completely forgot about it. Listen to long time they took to pick us up.
Listen to Are You a Charlotte? on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your
podcasts.
I think it's a sign of great mental health to acknowledge the dark wolf inside you.
It's Mental Health Awareness Month.
And on a recent episode of The One You Feed, Josh Radner from How I Met Your Mother joins us
to talk about fame, self-acceptance, aging, and finding peace in discomfort.
That is the mercy of time, that time, it is a healer.
To hear this and more on healing, identity, and the wisdom of slowing down, open your
free iHeart radio app, search One You Feed, and listen now.
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