It Could Happen Here - Anti-Zionism and Ancestral Healing with Ami Weintraub, Part 1

Episode Date: August 3, 2023

Shereen is joined by author Ami Weintraub to discuss how Zionism evolved into a racist ideology, what it means to be an Anti-Zionist, and the importance of Anti-Zionism within the Jewish community.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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for the next two days because it's something that I've always wanted to kind of just like open up as more of a conversation. And I'm so grateful to have an author and amazing person. They've just written a book called To the Ghosts Who Are Still Living and it's out now. You can go get it. Ami Weintraub, thank you so much for joining me. I'm so excited to talk to you. Thank you for having me. I'm excited to talk to you too. There's a particular reason why I asked you to come on the show. I specifically wanted to talk to a Jewish anti-Zionist. So I want to approach the conversation

as if people are really unfamiliar with Zionism, because I think most people are. Can you maybe just start by telling me like, what is Zionism? Yeah um yeah and I said to Shireen before as well like I am not particularly like an expert on Zionism or Israel-Palestine um so also just want to recommend that listeners also go out and find the experts find the materials that you're interested in if this conversation sparks your interest um yeah and take my my thoughts as just one thought in the mix of all the thoughts um so yeah when I was thinking about like defining Zionism I was thinking about sort of like the origins of Zionism and like how did we even get to that place yeah um and get to that place yeah um and zionism for me reflects um and i think is like this political desire to have a jewish state and to have that jewish state like on the land of israel is how

um is how zionism has materialized in its formation and prior to like the actual political movement of zionism there has been like a connection of the jewish people to that specific land um it just hadn't materialized into like an actual movement to establish a state on that land um so there's like there's been like a yearning and like a memory and like a collective sense of um connection to like jerusalem to that piece of land um but it was only in like the 1800s when there was nation-state building occurring in general in europe specifically in eastern europe that the movement for zionism started to develop in the form that we have today and a lot of that was because one reason like jews were, oh, wow, like German people are creating a state or French people are creating a state. Like we are a people, we should have a state.

And at the same time, Jews were also being excluded from citizenship in a lot of the actual like newly formed countries that they were living in. that they were living in um so there was like this dispossession also from place where they were and matched with a general like rise in anti-semitism as well so i think all of those things kind of crystallized into creating a actual political movement around that kind of nascent like more like religious spiritual yearning yeah um and then that formed into like many different types of zionism like more militaristic zionism more socialist zionism religious zionism etc um and that's all kind of yeah made its way to become israel yeah yeah how how would you differentiate all of those like the cultural versus religious versus political like how would you personally differentiate them I know

you're not an expert but just like speaking from experience yeah I have to think on that it's complicated I would say because it feels like to me from just reading about the history of zionism it it did kind of start in a religious like origin but it became more political am i reading that right or yeah yeah i think like yeah that's how it can be pretty confusing i think about understanding like zionism in general is just like where did this even come from like how how did these like, especially Zionism, like originating more from like Ashkenazi, like European Jews. How did this even come to be? And seen as something that like the longing and the connection to the land being part of Jewish culture and religion, but that only turning into a desire for a nation

state like at that certain moment um so the like different categories of like religious zionism versus political versus militaristic versus socialists were kind of like the ways that zionism was there was like different movements of zionism in in europe and eastern europe at the time of its origins so it's kind of like referring to more of its historical relationship and then that still influences the politics today in contemporary um like i'll just say state of israel and also many like israel palestine but speaking about zism, that feels more relevant. So you still have socialist Zionists who are more on the left than you have more right-wing religious Zionists who probably have more historical origins in more militaristic Zionism. And religious Zionists

who maybe are like, we are here for the religious reasons of being Jews on this land versus like a socialist Zionist. Like their framework was more like, we want to create this more socialist utopia sort of vision versus a more political, more touristic Zionist. Their original vision was like, we want to dominate this land and have political power. Yeah. want to dominate this land and have political power. Yeah, it feels like in recent times, it's kind of leaned more in that direction only because of, I don't know, the state of the world. But when you look up Zionism, it's defined,

I'm just going to read what I found. And please interrupt me if you're like, actually, no. Yeah, go for it. When you look up Zionism, it was defined as an organized nationalist movement generally considered to have been founded by Theodor Herzl in 1897. However, the history of Zionism began earlier and is intertwined with the Jewish history and Judaism as a whole. The organizations of, I'm going to probably mispronounce this, but Hoveve Zion, the Lovers of Zion. How would you say? Hoveve Zion? Yeah.

Yeah. This organization was held as like the forerunner of the modern Zionist ideals. And they were responsible for 20 Jewish towns in Palestine between 1870 and 1897. This is from just online history. And at the core of the Zionist ideology was this traditional aspiration for a Jewish national home through the re-establishment of Jewish sovereignty in Palestine. And this was to be facilitated by the Jewish diaspora. in Palestine, and this was to be facilitated by the Jewish diaspora. Herzl apparently sought an independent Jewish state, usually defined as a secular state with a Jewish majority population, and he wrote a 1896 pamphlet to describe exactly what he wanted. And though he did not live to witness it Israel was established uh and so what he wanted did come to fruition even though in my opinion it was not done in a just way uh

but um that's history for you but yeah I think the actual core of it is really understandable and true. You know, like, of course, every marginalized community wants a safe haven and a place where they can all go to. I think my biggest, what I really dislike about where it is now, where Zionism is now, is just how much it erases everyone else that's already there it's almost as if palestine was like an empty field you know and i think a lot of zionists today kind of erase that history and erase that like they massacred hundreds of people and they uh displaced over 750 000 people it's called the nek. It's called the Necba. It's called the catastrophe. That's what Palestinians refer to it as.

And I feel like Zionists tend to not, I mean, from what I understand, it's as if that isn't like real history. And from what I've read or like what I've heard from people that have grown up in Israel, the history that they learn is also a little bit selective in what they learn. But yeah, that's, I've just been, I've been reading a lot about Zionism for a long time. Yeah. But it's nice to have someone actually like with experience in it because I can only learn so much from the internet and from like secondhand stuff. I feel like that like when we look at like the early Zionists and it's like, oh yeah, like these desires to like have sovereignty and have autonomy and agency for your people who are being marginalized in your country like are in these lands that they live

reasonable like that totally makes sense and that and that it has to like you said be also seen through the lens of like the actual history that occurred which is materially trying to like build a nation-state as like part of your people's liberation is going to involve lots of oppression and violence um and that's kind of where I ended up like um yeah like understanding the history of Zionism like being able to have empathy for that original um message and then just really being like that's what led me into like anarchism ultimately was saying that this desire for a nation-state to be like a liberatory project um is kind of always going to be flawed in a way so actually like I don't kind of said like you know Jewish like agency sovereignty and like liberation like we actually deserve better than that you know we deserve to not actually be like held within the

confines of like what is possible in a nation state as I think like all people deserve yeah totally so that's kind of how i've come to this point now no and i really want to talk to you more about how you've landed where you are with your beliefs but yeah i think what also gets forgotten is that pre-1948 there were jewish people in palestine you know and christian people everyone got along i'm from syria but even in syria everyone like in all in most middle eastern countries there was a mix of all these religions and they all got along and i think that's what really angers me when it comes to like basically like the news saying it's like this ancient religious conflict because that's just simply not true and i think that's a huge defense that a lot of like militant zionists have where it's like

this eternal cultural religious war and it's simply just false i think that's something that always bothers me um i just want to give a little bit more history just to bring us to like current day just i think this stuff is a little bit interesting. So in 1975, the UN General Assembly, they passed Resolution 3379, which designated Zionism as a form of racism and racial discrimination. However, this resolution was repealed in 1991 by replacing Resolution 3379

with Resolution 46 slash 86. And this new resolution, it was adopted on December 16th of 1991. It revoked the determination in the previous Resolution 3379 determining Zionism as racist. And Israel had made this revocation of this resolution a condition of its participation in the Madrid Peace Conference, which was a conference that was held at the end of 1991 and it was also raised under pressure of the administration of president bush papa i just find that funny no hw bush i'm sorry this is not funny stuff i just this is how I cope. But basically the revocation was simply this one sentence. The General Assembly decides to revoke the determination contained in its resolution 3379 of 10th of December 1975. And this motion was supported by 111 nations,

including the 90 nations who had sponsored it in the first place. And it was opposed by 25 nations and abstained by 13 nations. And I just thought that was incredibly fascinating. It also just illustrates the power that Israel has always kind of held as far as a political state in world affairs. And if you've listened to my previous episodes then you know that at the current state in time is in like for decades leading up to this the government in israel is extremely far right and zionist to the point where it's extremely racist and they've built an apartheid state based around their zionism

extremely racist, and they've built an apartheid state based around their Zionism. Basically, Zionist values serve as the ideological foundation of Israel. I think that's kind of a big part of why Israel was created in the first place, was this hope for a place where everyone was safe. Obviously, they kind of became twisted, and they went about it in a terrible way. But I do understand what you mean also by having empathy for the original feeling of it, because I feel the same. I think every marginalized community wants what the original idea of Zionism had. I think Zionist today is defined so differently. And I think that's really unfortunate because it didn't have to become a racist ideology, but it did. I've been rambling too much and we're going to take our first break.

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Yeah, and I think one of the things that I try to make a point of, kind of as a Jewish anarchist specifically, like what I was saying prior, is that that's, again, kind of just the inevitable, well, in my mind, like the inevitable outcome of like a state is that there is going to be some amount of like division of population, like oppression of a certain class of people or certain group of people, a consolidation of power in the hands of a few. people a consolidation of power in the hands of a few so again for me like that's where this like the original idea of like let's have a place where jews can have like safety and sovereignty and cultural like flourishing like attaching that to a state was like kind of always bound to fail but not inherently not exactly because you're like not necessarily because that desire is like a wrong desire yeah and then when we pile in kind of like like other people's interests in terms of like the west having

like an interest in having like israel being like a friendly like i consider like a proxy state for the west like in the middle east where um they can you know like we've seen like send their police officers to be trained in these ways but also the west is benefiting from that exchange they have a little hold in the middle east like they always wanted to exactly so their interest is to maintain Israel as something that they can have influence in and have this kind of control over. And to make it creepier, the Christian evangelical Zionism, Christian Zionism is also a huge influence in the US. There was just a really interesting documentary, I can't remember the name now, but that was released like a year or two ago about this.

And Christian Zionists actually make up like a larger lobbying body than like Jewish Zionists in the US. Just because- That's so backwards. Because there's just so many more evangelicals and their interest in the state of Israel is that Jews will return there and then the rapture will happen. Wait, can you, yeah, I actually want to talk to you about this because I 100% think you know more about this than I do.

Because I do, I have heard that there are a lot of evangelical Christians that are huge supporters of zionism yeah one can you speak to like if you know how that even like where that uh i don't know not solid i guess like solidarity with zionism came about and also uh what they believe like the whole rapture thing please i would love to know more um yeah again like I highly recommend people like watch whatever this documentary is just google like Christian Zionism because I've mostly learned from that and from my own like internet wormholes um I've just looked it up and I think it's till kingdom come 2020 film right yeah cool and so what I understand is there is this like somewhere in the Christian world, but like it has roots, at least in the evangelical world right now, this idea in the rapture, which I don't know that much about.

But apparently the rapture will involve Jews returning to the land of Israel and Jesus returning and killing all of the Jews. Oh, my God. Yeah. That's why they support Zionism? That is why they support Zionism. That's fucked up. Yeah. So they want Jews to go back to the land,

the state of Israel in order for them to ultimately like be killed and go to hell. Be all in one place and be conveniently killed yeah and so that and that is one of the major lobbying arms like when we're talking about like the u.s like sending money to um to israel and like i just saw recently like like most of the republicans are like supporting um this yeah the aid going to israel and it's like why are they doing that when generally they don't really support jews you know like republicans are not like bffs with jews like they don't really i mean inherently that way of

seeing zionism is 100 racist like it's yeah like people are, or not even just that, anti-Semitic. You know how people- It's anti-Semitic, yeah. That's really the defense a lot of the time when you have like a Palestinian politician talk about Israel or anything. Not even Zionism, the Ishmaelites in Israel and they get labeled anti-Semitic.

But that is 100% anti-Semitic. It's actually anti-Semitic. Like that is, wow. And it's like like it doesn't get noticed because like i feel like so much that like white christians do in this country just like gets very overlooked as like something that actually has um something that's actually worth like noticing and something that's actually worth like critiquing um so i in trying to understand like how did we get to this place like how did we get to this point where like yeah israel is being supported

and doing what it is doing right now to palestinians it has moved in my opinion so far away from like an actual like vision of like jewish liberation yeah and then you look at like who's actually really supporting this project right now. And it's people who actually just want us to die. It becomes very convoluted. And it again, motivates my anti-Zionism in a lot of ways too. Can you tell me as little and as many details as you want,

but how did you come to identify as an anti-Zionist? How did you become, how did you come to identify as an anti-Zionist how did you become how did you embrace that that definition for yourself I guess there's a lot of like aspects to that answer one thing is like I do really care about like Jewish people being safe and Jewish people having our culture like Jewish people being able to express our culture and be able to express who we are and i think yeah like being two or three generations from like the holocaust and just like feeling like the intensity of that loss of life and land and place has just like given me that feeling of like this is really important and then also like living at a time right now in the U.S. where like anti-Semitism is violent and I've experienced that violence and

it is like a threat to like my sense of safety and my ability to express my culture I've just been like very obsessed with like what does actually achieving those goals look like and when I look at the state of Israel and I see all 18-year-olds are conscripted into the army, which is like literally like my great-grandfather left Russia because he didn't want to be conscripted into the Russian army. And a lot of Jews, Ashkenazi Jews in the US like have that story. Like that's not liberation. When I see that like a lot of Jews in Israel have the choice of either being like very secular or being extremely religious when even like a lot of more diverse

like Jewish cultures have been assimilated into like this one monolithic culture languages have been lost like practices have been lost like that's not like our culture being able to flourish and also the violence done to Palestinians like in the name of this state in the name of this liberation like nothing nothing is worth that violence ever so all of those things have kind of coalesced into my Jewish anarchism of also analyzing that through the state apparatus itself and being like oh yeah states will do this we need to think more creatively we need to think in a way that builds actual solidarity between Jewish community and Palestinian community and other marginalized people and all of that has kind of just coalesced into yeah jewish anti-zionism like just making sense on all of those levels

yeah no i thank you for saying all of that i it's true i think nothing is worth all that violence and also i think unfortunately like when you have any kind of desire no matter how pure it is because i think the the basis of zionism has a pure desire of safety and sovereignty but when you have a desire and you add politics to it or you add i don't know any kind of like country war any anything when you add like modern day limitations and and structures that's when it becomes something else. It devolves into something that it really shouldn't be. Like,

I think what disturbs me the most is how many young people are like rallying in the streets. Like a lot of like far right groups in Israel will be like death to all Arabs or like, they'll say the most heinous things as well as do the most heinous things. But I think it's unfortunate because I think even they kind of lost what Zionism was supposed to be about it's not supposed to be about being only there just you and killing everybody else or or seeing someone else a second as second citizens or anything but no i yeah thank you for saying all that the army

thing is a really good thing to bring up as well just because palestine has no army so it's a little bit silly to demand everyone even join the army for this fake uh imaginary bad guy not that there is not there there's definitely uh terrorists like activity on both sides, I would say. But the vast majority is this imaginary big bad wolf that does not exist and is powered by US and Western media. Totally. And that's where I start to think, I don't know if this is conspiracy or if this is real, but I start to think like who is this actually serving you know like who is it serving to like literally yeah put young people into a war every and every generation that comes through this country um and like is it mostly serving like U.S. and other like western

interests to be able to yeah have that land be their proxy state. And I don't have enough research to like back that claim up in a way that I would like to. That's like my next like research wormhole is to try and, yeah, just understand like that dynamic. Because I think something else that I have a lot of questions about too, because I think something else that I have a lot of questions about too and like the formation of the state of Israel is like yeah understanding that like England did or like I don't know Great Britain England I think England they they were the ones who like partitioned that land and like they were the ones who ultimately signed it over yeah the British are responsible for 95% of the atrocities of the world. No, no, thank you. And sometimes like forgetting that part of the story kind of almost like contributes to this kind of like anti-Semitic rhetoric of like, oh, the Jews are this like all powerful people who were just able to conquer this land on their own.

It's like a conspiracy theory fuel. this land on their own it's like a conspiracy theory fuel yeah when it's like no like actually like the jews at that time did not have like global power in that way like england britain was like here you go here's this land in the same way that they did to like so much of the other yeah um colonized places in that world in in the world um yeah i mean the british are responsible for every bad thing and like for me like that bigger lens feels harder to talk about sometimes because i also like am also holding that like jewish american support for the state of israel like fuels also the atrocities happening against palestinians jewish support for the idf in israel etc like obviously are responsible

and like i worry that if we don't look at these broader influences that we're not actually going to understand like how to systemically stop this, you know? Yeah. You have to understand how you got somewhere to like determine how to get out of where you are. Right. Yeah. Welcome. I'm Danny Thrill.

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They're just like, oh, you guys stay here. Let's just shove them on this place that we don't really care about. And here you go. Like, it doesn't even feel like genuine support. You know what I mean? Like, I think in an alternate universe, Jewish people were welcomed into nations. And Britain was, like, opening their doors to immigrants. I think that is a much more um kind notion in my opinion but what I do understand the desire to do otherwise but it is interesting to connect those

two now that we've talked about both of them and how similar that is and on that too like like the most like disturbing like thing that I've figured out in a while in relation to like this origin history of Zionism um so like in the beginning of like the Nazi power in Germany in Germany specifically before they wanted to like kill the Jews they just wanted the Jews to leave so they were like go just go and I saw this I was in Berlin last summer and I saw this um picture of Nazis creating like a travel agency isn't the right word but like a travel depot that was specifically said like go to Palestine and was like directing Jews to go to Palestine so like in that context like the state of Israel then has like a totally different like um frame of like origin story almost yeah of being the place where like the world could send their Jews yeah when they didn't

want them in their home countries. And for me, that's also like a place that I've really fixated on is like, wait, you can't just like say you're in solidarity with Jews because you created this country and we all have to go there. Like you actually have to stop being anti-Semitic. You should work on that first. Yeah, like let us like live in your countries and be safe and and it relates back to the evangelicals too right it's like they're all about like being christian zionist and like supporting israel

but they're also like very anti-semitic in this country so it's like it feels like a similar sort of dynamic of like yeah yeah we support you because we want you to go there we want you to leave this country and go there and we're not going to actually make it better for you in the place where you want to be which is your family's home here you know so like that's another frame that I've been working in which makes me just kind of have a bigger question of like global responsibility for what's happening in Israel-Palestine right now and how does like this global resistance to actually addressing anti-Semitism like play into the continued violence against

Palestinians. Yeah and just to be clear being an anti-Zionist is not anti-Semitic. However, it is important to remember that just because someone is an anti-Zionist doesn't mean they're not anti-Semitic. It's an important reminder for those engaging in anti-Zionist organizing to also be doing work around anti-Semitism, both internally and the world at large, because both solidarity with Palestinians, as well as ensuring that we're interrogating the anti-Semitism in our lives and the world, is vitally important in this moment. No, I was trying to divide these two episodes up. You already know this, I've told you, but just for the audience, I wanted this first episode to be a little bit more about the history and about how we got here.

And tomorrow's episode, you'll hear about what I really want to talk to you about. It's like your work in ancestral healing and how that's a huge part of your work and also the community that you've built in certain organizations. I think that is so critical when it comes to anti-zionism or having solidarity with palestinians because that's that's what you need to even make change happen right so on that note uh i'm going to wrap it up here for now uh ami can you plug like if people want to know more about you and your work where where they can find you? Yeah. So, again, I'm Ami Weintraub, and I just came out with this book, To the Ghosts Who Are Still Living. You can buy it through my publisher, Strangers in a Tangled Wilderness. Or you can also look up my website, amiweintraub.com.

and the book touches on like not Zionism specifically but kind of the themes of like place and land and um where do Jews belong in the world yeah and uh their website also has a list of their other works which I highly recommend you seek out I think voices like Ami's like yours are really important when it comes to talking about, I don't know, changing the world for the better in general. Not even about anti-Zionism, but like even just trying to assess something in a more critical way, in a more personal way. Even thinking about it being ancestral healing, I think is so critical. So thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for having me. Yeah, of course.

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