It Could Happen Here - Assassination Week #1: How ETA Launched Spain's First Astronaut

Episode Date: September 19, 2022

The gang talks about ETA’s assassination of Luis Carrero Blanco and kicks off assassination week with a bang.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So big props to them for giving us like 10 seconds of their time to record that intro. Wow, it's been so long since we've been planning to do this. Yep, but here we are talking about killing people. It's great because when we first thought of assassination week, we're like, how are we going to fill five episodes? And then there's like so many more assassinations happening. There were two the next day. Yeah, we've decided to stop imagining things into the ether.

Yeah, and so maybe Assassination Month is coming. Who knows? Hey, look, here's the thing. If people keep getting assassinated, we will do more assassination episodes. That is the way it works. Yep, that is sadly part of our job. We've already done one, I guess.

We did Shinzo Abe a little bit, but we're coming back to him. Yeah. We're going to do, we're going to do Shinzo Abe too. More later because we have a lot more context information about the assassination now, but that,

that is later this week. So we have, we have five episodes all about assassinations. Most of which have happened or tried to happen this year. Most, most of these are going to be to happen this year most most of these are going to be pretty pretty uh topical yeah mine is not uh because that's the person i am so we gotta we gotta start with a historical assassination we can't we can't completely

have it be just randomly jumping back and forth between times. There has to be some kind of logic. Yeah, well, the assassination is the logic. Today, we're talking about ETA, Basque Nationalist Leftist Group. And more specifically, I guess, their Operation Ogro, the killing of Luis Carrero Blanco in Spain in 1973. It's obviously not very, very current. It's often pointed to as like a very influential assassination, right? One that made a difference and made a change. Often it's called the only thing that ETA ever did to advance the cause of Spanish democracy.

I think like this is not a, and I'm sorry if you think that they're like based leftist terrorists. This is not, generally as an organization, we don't like people who murder journalists. That's one of our stances. And so there's going to be a little bit of context around this that we need to give first. So maybe if we kick off with who they are, and then we can talk about that assassination in particular how familiar are folks do we think with with etta what do people know about them in us not at all yeah people okay i i think well they're i think they're famous for this assassination and for having literally the worst outfits i've ever seen in my entire life that's like that that that that the the combination

of like the face mask and the beret is like one of the most unfortunate things i've ever seen it is hideous it is you you got just just wear the mask it's cooler oh it's batshit it's awful oh truly dog shit okay chris come in with the fashion police early on i say wear what you want i think you all look great uh and really alienating our ski mask and beret audience right at the start so if you've if you've managed to you know stick around through that hate speech uh we're going to talk about etta uh they do yeah they do like to wear a ski mask it's part of an aesthetic isn't it though like there's an aesthetic of like i guess 80s 1980s terrorism that is like uh like woodland pattern kind of dpu camouflage dpm camouflage uh a cheap black ski mask balaclava and a berry like sometimes you can pick two of

those things but it's definitely like a vibe from that time period. Hmm. I wonder, I wonder why none of these groups worked. It must have nothing to do with the fashion. To be fair, the Zapatistas big, uh,

ski mask, maybe it's the bobble. Maybe the bobble is what sets them apart. Yeah, no, it's, it's the, it's the fact that,

yeah, you don't wear the beret on the ski mask. The Zapatistas look cool because they just wear the mask. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I think we're, we're united in our belief that the zapatistas look cool uh and in many ways are cool in fact but we're not talking about them today we're talking about etta uh so it's an acronym right um it's an acronym in uskera or basque i don't i don't speak basque it's a very hard language for me to learn at least i'm not going to say it's a hard language to learn because I think it depends on who you are but it is one that I have historically struggled with understanding uh it uh it does have a generous smattering of x's um so you know if

you're seeing it out there uh good luck to you I will try and pronounce things as respectfully as I can I've spent a lot of time in the Basque country. By grace, I really, really love Basque people. They're very nice. I enjoy their food and their cider and their countryside. But today we're talking about this group, Esca Eta. It stands for Euskadi Ta Escatasuna,

which means like Basque homeland and liberty. They were going to call it Eta, but in certain basque dialects that means duck so they moved away from that that would have been so much funnier yeah it would right you've been ducked uh but they didn't do that they right from the get-go they were about like like this dual process right of of politics and political violence their slogan means keep up on both sides and their logo is like a snake wrapped around an axe. The snake is politics, and the axe is, I guess,

political violence, terrorism, whatever you want to call it. And over their years of action, they killed 829 people. They're a pretty serious terrorist group, right? Like, I can't... I don't know how many people the IRA killed, but I'm thinking of groups in there. I don't think it would be that many. I think they killed, like,'m thinking of groups in there. I don't think it would be that many. I think they killed like over a thousand.

Okay. Well, I mean, I say like the entire Troubles killed like 3,500. So it's like a not insignificant fraction of that. Yeah. I mean, the British government did a decent amount of that. Oh, definitely. Yeah. Loyalists too.

Yeah. But like, it's not an insignificant fraction of the total number of people who died in the Troubles. So they're not like nothing. No, but like it's only ETA up there. And look, this is much of a similar thing as we're going to see, right? Where the Spanish state killed a lot of people too

and sort of armed groups acting in sort of coalition with the Spanish state is the safest way to say that. But certainly with the complicity of the Spanish state played a large part in this this dirty war that eto conducted with the spanish state right and to understand them you have to understand a little bit about basque nationalism early basque nationalism we can like find the guy who really constructs the idea of a basque nation right um it's sabino aranha it's a guy um he he takes what is like a language it's a very old

language right predates latin and places where that language is spoken and takes it from like these are the areas where this language is spoken to like this is our nation and and all nations are created right like nations don't come from the primordial soup like we don't evolve into one nation or another they're not fabrication yeah yeah yeah they they're constructed by uh like entrepreneurs of identity which were elites to to uh some kind of false consciousness one might say uh to maybe distract people from other things but that's right zapatistas watch it that's um yeah yeah we're coming for you with a woke mob we're going to cancel you

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podcasts. podcast or wherever you get your podcast. the Basque land is. So the Basque land is in the northwest of Spain and the southwest of France, right? It's these provinces where historically they're mountainous provinces, people there were often shepherds. You'll often find Basque people in the United States like growing wine or doing sheep herding. And that's their sort of historical image of themselves. the scene as a Basque nationalist leftist group. They sort of have some elements of Marxism, but they're obviously nationalist. They don't center Catholicism, which is what previous Basque nationalisms have done.

Previous Basque nationalisms have been elite constructs that centered language poetry and catholic identity etta don't do that they have this that's where they're slightly better yeah yeah right they're better than like the carlists who are like things went wrong when spain moved away from this line of royal secession and we need to go back to that and like extreme religious uh totalitarianism and a monarchy like i they're better than that i feel pretty comfortable saying that uh and they've done some cool stuff like they used to kidnap bosses who refused to negotiate with striking workers uh which like i know watch out rail rail company owners uh but they they definitely have like a leftist lean right they have this sort of pan third worldist idea or this pan sort of colonized people idea uh

they begin assassinating people when they take revenge for this guy who's called uh chubby etzter barrieta um you can look up that name if you want to see some X's in a name. But they kill the local chief of police, right? What happened is Estebarrieta and this other guy were killed by a policeman. The police stopped them at a roadblock. They run away. The police shoot them in response. They kidnap the local chief of police, who has probably been torturing people, right? You have to understand that all this is happening in the context of a Spanish state, which is extremely violent and repressive.

And they kill this guy. Wait, this is under Franco, right? Yes. No, they begin under Franco. And their support probably peaks under Franco. And their support probably peaks under Franco, right? Like they, and what we're going to see is actually they are somewhat integral to not bringing down the Franco regime. And in a sense, Spain never does bring down

the Franco regime, right? And I want to get into that a little bit. But in destabilizing the Franco regime, and they certainly, there was more support for this kind of political violence when the state is so obviously undemocratic, unjust, and incredibly violent towards people. So when they're killing members of the Guardia Civil,

these are people who are torturing prisoners. ETA prisoners pretty often, when they're captured, turn up tortured in court, very obviously. They have been victims of beatings and physical violence, right? And a lot of things you'll see, they also kidnapped this guy. I forget his name. He's one of the founders of Vox,

and they kept him in a cellar for months and months and months and months. Look, I don't like Vox, but I also don't like locking people in cellars, so two things can be bad. Vox is a right-wing populist Spanish party, if people aren't familiar. They also did a lot of extortion. They also did a lot of extorting local businesses, right? They called it the revolutionary tax. So they got into some sort of more classic kind of organized crime stuff there. But the assassination we want to talk about today is Operacion Ogro. So the way they do this is they rent this flat, right?

That's an apartment for American listeners. And they rent this flat and claim to be student, like sculpting students, right? Like we're art students, we're into sculpture. That's why we're covered in dust every day and we only wear these overalls and for five months they spend every day digging a tunnel underneath the road by their flat right and uh in that tunnel they pack 80 kilograms of explosive and what they're doing there is they're waiting for this guy, Luis Carrero Blanco, to come in his car, which he travels in every day, right? And they're going to explode that explosive and they're going to kill him. The reason they want to kill him is because they say that he is the best example of pure fascism, right?

He's a former admiral. He's Spain's sort of prime minister. He's Franco's chosen successor, right right so he's going to take over from franco and so by killing him they're able to destabilize the whole franco regime franco cries in public when he finds out caro blanco is dead and so spoiler alert caro blanco is extremely dead the way they did this is they they dressed up as electricians which is a lot of dressing up in this which is kind of fun and they they painted a little line on a wall to be like okay when the car gets to here we explode it so the car gets to there they explode it they launch this car

over a church and it lands on the second floor terrace on the other side. Sometimes this is called like the Basque space program or Luis Carrero Blanco is referred to as Spain's first astronaut. That's really funny. You can find a picture of it. It is hysterical. The car, like, it just goes. It is so funny. Yeah, it's periodically in spain like uh someone will be prosecuted for

making this joke this spain's first astronaut joke i saw it happen someone pretty recently like and she had really made it a thing of making jokes uh actually i think his i think it's his grandchildren have noted that it it's a problematic restriction of free speech that people keep getting prosecuted for this and a court recently found that they weren't mocking his family or his memory but they were just pointing the objectively funny way in which he died which you know great for the court to agree that it was objectively funny that a terrible fucking person died by being blown literally sky high and it's his driver and his bodyguard were also killed uh shouldn't be a bodyguard for a piece of shit uh but they the uh the etta guys

had disguised themselves as electricians after the bomb went off they ran around shouting oh no we've hit a gas pipe like there's been a gas explosion everybody clear out yeah there sure was yeah uh so pretty pretty entertaining stuff uh acting is their side passion i guess and and like the reason they did it they did oppressor not long afterwards uh wearing their outfits which some of you may find offensive and they uh they cited like his irreplaceable place in the hierarchy right and him being this they called him a pure francoist and oddly like etta were not at this point they were less unpopular than they became later because they weren't doing quite as much extortion and they hadn't been uh engaging in quite as many murders of journalists right and and you used to see this uh i'll get to

that later actually they got grudging praise from almost everyone for doing this right and because it really does destabilize and kind of kick their legs out from under the franco regime and and it makes franco cry which i think is a laudable goal like it's good to make franco cry uh franco cry Franco cry more. So it kind of atomizes the Francoist state between people who are of this bunker tendency, who want to go hardcore and crack down, and those who are like, we don't have the ability to crack down. We'll lose all popular support if we do that. And it really sort of vaporizes the consensus for what to do after Franco dies which he does a few years later

I want to point out that people will read these articles on popular news websites or hot take websites where they're like oh this car bomb launched Spain into democracy don't do that I think first of all

the major error with that is the idea that Spain quote-unquote transitioned to democracy. When you have a pacted transition where the people who did the war crimes in the previous regime are specifically not prosecuted and exempt from prosecution, that's not what democracy looks like. I think the most accurate way of describing where Spain is, is a post-dictadura, like a post-dictatorship. And Spain is still there now. We see that with these prosecutions for mocking him, right? With the fact that there are people in Spain

who are still in prison for mocking the crown. That's not what democracies do. Good thing that could never happen in Britain. Yeah, look, you won't find me defending that either. But we don't make a big industry of talking about Britain's transition to democracy. Maybe don't talk about transitions at all, given the powerful TERF discourse in Britain. But yeah, I think it's problematic that folks talk about this like, yeah, Spain is fixed like

spain has some dark shit that it needs to process like it was not until the middle of the last decade that we started exhuming the graves from the civil war and that's still highly contentious right you still have a political party that um that doesn't want to do that spain is still processing the fact that the catholic church took babies away from people who it considered to be leftists and gave them to people who it considered to be more appropriate to raise them it's called ninos robados if you want to look it up but yeah spain not transitioning to to democracy and i want to make like that very clear some of the other shit that etta does um is really this is where they start to lose any any claim to being like

a liberation movement right like uh they bombed an hyper core that's like bombing a target in for american folks uh in barcelona they killed 21 people now i will say uh this isn't this is exemplary bad policing they called the cops and were hey, we've put a bomb underneath the supermarket. You ought to clear it out. And the cops were like, I can't tell if that's a real threat or not. And as a result, didn't do anything. And as a result,

the bomb went off underneath the supermarket and 21 people died, right? They also alerted a newspaper in Catalonia beforehand. Reporters Without Borders still, for a long time, classified Spain as a place that was hostile to journalists because of the attacks on journalists by ETA, right? Also, the state isn't hostile to journalism,

but I want to point out that they killed journalists, they killed university professors who disagreed with them, they killed local councillors, and it was some of these very unpopular murders which really sort of stripped support from them. And one thing that the Spanish state did, or a couple of things the Spanish state did

that really were extremely repressive against ETA was they would move Basque prisoners out of the Basque homeland and sort of hold them thousands of miles away from their families, like in the Canary Islands and shit. Like they're probably closer to Africa than you are to your home country

when they do that, right? And you would often see, I don't know if maybe you guys have seen this. It's a white flag. It's got an outline of the Basque land. It's got an arrow and it says, Have you seen that at like protests? Now,

if you'd, if you'd been at the protest, I was at, but like, you know, in like the early two thousands in Europe, you would see that flag a lot. It just means Basque prisoners to the Basque homeland.

Like a lot of people got behind that who might not have got behind other things that did. Right. But it does seem deeply inhumane to move these people so far away from their families. It's sort of an extra punishment. The Spanish state also had this thing called GAL. GAL is Grupo Antiterroristas de Liberación. So I guess like Anti-Terrorist Liberation Group.

These were death squads, right? These were death squads aided and averted by the police. ETA enjoyed like a safe space in France, I guess, or, like, a freedom for prosecution. Certainly under Franco, France was like, eh, you know what? Franco really sucks, so you guys go ahead and send it. Do your terrorism while you're balaclavas.

I'm sure the French also objected to their beret style. This is a safe space for your terrorism yeah well there it is a whole that's basically what they said yeah yeah this is like a whole thing with mid-iran and france in the 70s like france kind of became this weird like like they basically had this they had this open policy but like there was a bunch of uh well there are a bunch of people in italy who got like falsely accused of like being the red brigades uh what's that guy's name uh the guy negri antonio negri who's like a kind of famous there's this theory kind of sucks by the end but like they arrest him for like being a terrorist and then he he gets himself elected to parliament so he can

get parliamentary immunity and then flees the country to uh. Yeah, France really had... 70s was a weird time. Wasn't Carlos Sajakal also in Paris for a while? Yeah. You love it, France. Open door policy to terrorists. This is the only cool thing France has done since 1968. Like... Yeah, you're not wrong.

They invented parkour. When was that? Oh, that was like in the... Resident X. Okay, there you go. Okay, so the second cool thing. Got to hand that to them. Yeah, let's hand that to the entire country of France. Yeah, maybe not actually given their treatment of migrant diasporas in recent years.

And sometimes their firefighters will go out and beat the shit into the police. That is true. That is very funny. I do think we all have to give that to them. Welcome. I'm Danny Thrill. Won't you join me at the fire and dare enter? Nocturnum, Tales from the Shadows, presented by iHeart and Sonora.

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Check out betteroffline.com. I wanted to maybe end with this quote from Subcomandante Marcos. So we've talked a little bit about the Zapatistas. So this is from a piece called I Shit Upon... Is it I Shit Upon the the revolutionary vanguards of the earth yeah it's something i mean yeah the the all the titles are like having problems translating total mundo which is like yeah have you i couldn't find it written in the original

spanish uh maybe that's just because I was Googling wrong. I didn't put a lot of time in it, but I found so many of Zapatista texts are preserved better in these weird English translations. And I don't know if they're written in English. It's supposedly possible they're written in English the first time. I don't think this one. I think this particular one's a translation. Okay. But yeah. Yeah.

I've tried to find it in Spanish actually. So I'm just going to go as a translation uh i think it's probably from libcom or a similar website with like aging red and black uh aesthetic vibes uh but i love those websites so it's a bit long i hope you'll enjoy it we don't see why we should have like the eto kind of like reaching out in solidarity and the zapatistas have previously been like no no, dude, we are not the same. You're not just like ascetics aside, we are not the same people. We don't see why we would ask you what we should do or how we should do it. What are you going to teach us? To kill journalists who speak badly about the struggle?

To justify the death of children for the reason of the cause. We don't need or want your support or solidarity. We already have the support and solidarity of many people in Mexico and the world. Our struggle has a code of honor inherited from our guerrilla ancestors, and it contains, among other things, respective civilian lives, even though they may occupy government positions that oppress us. We don't use crime to get resources for ourselves. We don't rob, not even a snack store. We don't respond to words with fire, even though many hurt us or lie to us. One could think that to renounce these traditionally revolutionary methods is renouncing

the advancements of our struggle. But in the faint light of our history, it seems that we have advanced more than those who resort to such arguments like i deeply enjoy this critique you can look it up uh eto was big on killing people who were tangentially related to the regime in any way which i don't agree with uh we should also add that they more or less definitively stopped doing stuff in 2018 and they they had a press conference and in their press conference actually uh arnaldo ortegi who was a former member uh said that they wanted to express their sorrow for the pain and suffering other people have endured uh he goes on like we feel their pain and that sincere feeling leads us to affirm that it should

never have happened like sure buddy you want to say sorry because you did terrorism uh but i do think that like we should we're talking about assassinations gonna're talking about assassinations, going to be talking about assassinations all week. There are ways to do leftist political struggle that are not killing random civilians and their friends and family members and bombing supermarkets, and those are the better ways. But making Franco cry is good. Sending Franco's successor into near-Earth orbit

is pretty funny. So we enjoy that one, at least, if not all of everything else. I think it is worth pointing uh so we we enjoy that one at least if not everything i i think it is worth pointing out like we've made this pretty obvious by by that line but uh it uh does not get a free spent a free basque homeland uh the zapatistas have actually taken and still control territory a thing that none of these like weird gorilla groups ever pulled off so you know yeah they don't even get majority support really at any point yeah uh like occasionally there'll be people who are like yeah you know what like i agree with some of what they say but their tactics are deeply flawed you know

these keeping people like torturing people that kind of thing uh and the context of the dirty war with the state is important um but yeah they don't succeed and I don't think you do succeed by extorting the people you're claiming to liberate that generally doesn't work well so up the Zapatistas I guess yeah that seems like a good place to end

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