It Could Happen Here - Assassination Week #2: The Esoteric Nazi Who Tried to Kill Argentina’s VP

Episode Date: September 20, 2022

We discuss the recent failed assassination attempt on Argentine Vice President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information....

Transcript
Discussion (0)
Starting point is 00:00:00 You should probably keep your lights on for Nocturnal Tales from the Shadowbride. Join me, Danny Trejo, and step into the flames of fright. An anthology podcast of modern-day horror stories inspired by the most terrifying legends and lore of Latin America. Listen to Nocturnal on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The 2025 iHeart Podcast Awards are coming. This is the chance to nominate your podcast
Starting point is 00:00:36 for the industry's biggest award. Submit your podcast for nomination now at iHeart.com slash podcast awards. But hurry, submissions close on December 8th. Hey, you've been doing all that talking. It's time to get rewarded for it. Submit your podcast today at iHeart.com slash podcast awards. That's iHeart.com slash podcast awards. Hi, I'm Ed Zitron, host of the Better Offline podcast, and we're kicking off our second season digging into tech's elite and how they've turned Silicon Valley into a playground for billionaires.
Starting point is 00:01:10 From the chaotic world of generative AI to the destruction of Google search, Better Offline is your unvarnished and at times unhinged look at the underbelly of tech brought to you by an industry veteran with nothing to lose. Listen to Better Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever else you get your podcasts from. Welcome to Gracias Come Again, a podcast by Honey German, where we get real and dive straight into todo lo actual y viral. We're talking musica, los premios, el chisme, and all things trending in my cultura. I'm bringing you all the latest happening in our entertainment world
Starting point is 00:01:45 and some fun and impactful interviews with your favorite Latin artists, comedians, actors, and influencers. Each week, we get deep and raw life stories, combos on the issues that matter to us, and it's all packed with gems, fun, straight-up comedia, and that's a song that only nuestra gente can sprinkle. Listen to Gracias Come Again on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you
Starting point is 00:02:05 get your podcasts. Hello, I'm the ghost of the queen, and this is Assassination Week. And as I actually was assassinated, it was the IRA. Hi, welcome. Welcome to Assassination Week, where we talk about all of the normal things. That's what we do. Talk about all the stuff that's totally normal and chill. We were just debating why we keep having to talk about Nazi furries, differences between catboys and catgirls as they relate to Nazism. And we're not going to get less stupid for today's assassination
Starting point is 00:02:47 um so let's let's talk about argentina uh one of one of the ones that happened pretty shortly after we we planned on doing assassination week we're like oh well there's another one to add to the list so So, yeah, Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner has been kind of one of the most prominent politicians in Argentina for almost two decades now. She was elected president after her husband served as a term and then declined to run for a second. But she was elected in 2007. After an eight-year run as president, she's now the country's vice president. She was expected to make a bid to return to the top job next year,
Starting point is 00:03:34 but that's kind of up in the air. She's kind of left-ish. She's kind of the populist, like, leftist kind of favorite. Can we talk a bit about Peronism and, like, the weird shit that's going on here? Please talk about Peronism. Maybe sing. Maybe do it in the music of Andrew Lloyd Webber. Oh, God, no.
Starting point is 00:03:55 Okay, so there once was a man named Peron. And he... So he had been, like... There's a whole thing. He gets, like, cooed. He, like, there's a whole thing. He gets, like, cooed. He's, like, he, like, flees the country. And while he's not in the, you know, this is dictatorship. And, like, while he's not in Argentina, there's, like, this whole, like,
Starting point is 00:04:18 like, a sort of very classical populist movement to the point where, like, a lot of the theorizing about what populism is is theorizing about Peronism. to the point where like a lot of the theorizing about what populism is is theorizing about peronism and what you get is like two completely different like political factions like casting all of their sort of aspirations onto the like like like onto the figure of like peron who's like in exile so you can you can like you know you can you can say that like peron has whatever so peron supports us like peron will be the guy who'll save us and like so you get like you get this really weird thing where there are like there were like there are peron supports us, like, Peron will be the guy who'll save us. And, like, so you get, like, you get this really weird thing where there are, like, there are, like, there are Peronists who are, like, fascists. There are Peronists who are, like, communists.
Starting point is 00:04:50 So you get this split that happens. You have these left Peronists, you have these right Peronists. Like, when Peron comes back to the country, like, the right Peronists start murdering the left-wing Peronists. It's this whole fucking thing. And it's this, you know, this sort of like political formation like persists through another military dictatorship. It persists like through sort of like the quote unquote transition to democracy. And like basically everyone who has ran Argentina since like the quote unquote transition to democracy has been a peronist of some kind um krishner is krishner is from the left wing sort of the the newly the sort of like revitalized left like peronism that that comes around like the early 2000s i mean she's around she's around
Starting point is 00:05:38 actually in the 90s too but in in the early 2000s it sort sort of like – okay, so in 2001, there's this massive series of protests and uprisings in Argentina. I would argue it was like the last of the great 20th century sort of working class revolutions. People start occupying their factories. They go through five prime ministers in like a month. They come very, very very very close to bringing down the government and the thing that the thing that sort of stabilizes the situation is a and this is this is a series of protests against like imf austerity right which would be just like destroying the country and the way this sort of gets stabilized is that um you you you get a new
Starting point is 00:06:21 you know you you you get a new sort of like revitalized like left peronist populist thing and the sort of populist deal is is twofold it's like one okay we're going to have a bunch of patronage networks and we're going to run like everything from like sort of like job networks kind of like down like right right down to like hey we will like give aid to your neighborhood as long as you stay as long as you sort of support us and the second thing is like, they, they make the, like the ruling class,
Starting point is 00:06:47 like cuts this sort of, and this is, this is particularly like for an end to Christian, like her husband's like cuts this deal. Basically. Sorry. Nestor Krishna cuts this deal with, with the working class,
Starting point is 00:06:58 which is like, okay, if you guys don't, if you guys stop trying to overthrow us, like we will give you a bunch of welfare programs. We will like do a bunch of stuff to like promote it the sort of like national economy and so it's it's this whole it's it's it's like a left populism but it's it's built it's built on sort of like like this very explicit like we are going to buy off the working class so we can maintain
Starting point is 00:07:17 capitalism but the capitalism is going to be slightly nicer yeah and there's a few reactions to that including the reaction from the right which is very much like these wealth of much like all of these welfare programs are making people lazy and unwilling to do actual work, which is kind of where some of our attempted assassin gets some of his ideology from. attempt um argentinian prosecutors announced that they're seeking a 12-year prison sentence for mrs uh kirchner over accusations that she directed public roadway funds to a company owned by a friend of hers accusations which she denies i don't i have no bid in this fight um but the thing i would note is like like almost everyone so she she like well particularly mr christmas she was also sort of like considered like the soft wing of the pink tide sort of like social democratic governments to come to power in this period and like all of these people are kind of corrupt but they're not like more corrupt than any other like politician in this region but
Starting point is 00:08:20 like like every single one of these people eventually like there's a whole movement to like put them in prison because of corruption or something and it's like i mean i don't know like every like they're politicians like yeah what do you expect like the political rhetoric against uh mrs kirchner had intensified in recent weeks amid the final stages of her corruption trial and while she is probably the country's most prominent politician, even serving as vice president seen as more powerful than the president, she's also a very polarizing figure. You know, her face is plastered on posters all around like working class neighborhoods. But Argentina's right has kind of made her out to be their boogeyman.
Starting point is 00:09:05 She's kind of their, she's kind of like their top target. Um, last week in one opposition lawmaker commenting on her case said that Argentina should bring back the death penalty. Um, just for her case, just cause she's like a woman we don't like. So we should kill her.
Starting point is 00:09:20 It sounds like our friends at the, uh, Kyle Rittenhouse cultural center. Oh yeah. Yeah. Would you call her a femi-bolshi? Oh, Jesus. Because they certainly would.
Starting point is 00:09:34 Oh, God. So, yeah, but since the proposition of the 12-year sentence, hundreds of her supporters have been rallying or were rallying outside of her house every night, calling her a victim of political persecution and doing these big, big rallies in support. And it was at such a rally on Thursday, September 1st, just after 9 p.m., when Mrs. Kirchner was returning home from presiding over a session at the Senate, accompanied by her security detail. She was greeting the massive
Starting point is 00:10:04 supporters, lighting the streets, and signing copies of her book. And then a man rushed up through the crowd, aimed a semi-automatic pistol inches away from her face, and pulled the trigger. But the gun didn't go off. There's lots of footage of this incident. There was a lot of cameras rolling.
Starting point is 00:10:20 It's kind of wild. Because he sticks the gun, like, right up in her face it's just like it really like this this is this is this is like something out of like fucking like like late 1800s russia it's extreme it's very slapstick it's very comical it's um yeah the franzerdinand level of... Speaking of, President Fernandez said in an address to the nation later that, quote, Christina is still alive because, for reasons that have not been confirmed technically, the weapon, which was loaded with five bullets, did not fire. I can confirm technically that it is a piece of shit.
Starting point is 00:11:06 You can find... It was a.32 caliber .380 wasn't it? It's a Berser Thunder isn't it? oh maybe I'm wrong isn't it like a specific gun that's like absolutely like the worst gun yeah so these are kind of funny they're Berser so
Starting point is 00:11:22 I think they're made in Argentina they might be made in Brazil I think they're made in Argentina. They might be made in Brazil. I think they're made in Argentina. They make knockoffs of other gun designs, more or less. So it's in the style of a PPK, which has good precedent for killing bad people. That's what Hitler brained himself with. But this is a knockoff. This is a cheap one.
Starting point is 00:11:43 It's one of the guns that's approved for safe sale in California because it doesn't get banged. At least a version of this. I don't think the one that this person used was actually a Thunder. But yeah, it's just a bit, it's like, I don't know. It's like when you go and buy
Starting point is 00:12:00 a cheap knockoff of anything, you know, like sometimes it doesn't work. This one appears to be missing one of the grip screws actually. yeah it's very rusty uh this person didn't think this through very well i guess it's what i'm saying we'll talk we'll talk a bit more about what was going on with a gun in a sec uh you know what uh won't fail to murder the vice president of the country these these products and services support the podcast. Thank you, Bleach, for supporting our podcast today. It's what everyone says about butter help.
Starting point is 00:12:28 It will not help you kill the vice president. Here's a plug for ammonium nitrate. Welcome. I'm Danny Thrill. Won't you join me at the fire and dare enter Nocturnum, Tales from the Shadows, presented by iHeart and Sonora. An anthology of modern-day horror stories inspired by the legends of Latin America.
Starting point is 00:13:02 From ghastly encounters with shapeshifters to bone-chilling brushes with supernatural creatures. I know you. Take a trip and experience the horrors that have haunted Latin America since the beginning of time.
Starting point is 00:13:24 Listen to Nocturnal Tales from the Shadows as part of my Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh.
Starting point is 00:13:54 And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez.
Starting point is 00:14:02 At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story,
Starting point is 00:14:33 as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jacqueline Thomas, the host of a brand new Black Effect original series, Black Lit. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you. that shape our culture. Together, we'll dissect classics and contemporary works while uncovering the stories of the brilliant writers behind them. Blacklit is here to amplify the voices of Black writers and to bring their words to life.
Starting point is 00:15:36 Listen to Blacklit on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hola, mi gente. It's Honey German, and I'm bringing you Gracias, Come Again, the podcast where we dive deep into the world of Latin culture, you get your podcasts. conversations with our Latin stars, from actors and artists to musicians and creators sharing their stories, struggles, and successes. You know it's going to be filled with chisme laughs and all the vibes that you love. Each week we'll explore everything from music and pop culture to deeper topics like identity, community, and breaking down barriers in all sorts of industries. Don't miss out on the fun, el té caliente, and life stories. Join me for Gracias Come Again, a podcast by Honey German, where we get into todo lo actual y viral.
Starting point is 00:16:29 Listen to Gracias Come Again on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Federal police arrested Fernando Andres on andres sabag montiel a 35 year old brazilian man who has been living in argentina for about 20 years they recovered the gun at the scene and then the next day they uh searched his apartment he had he had a studio apartment in like a working class suburb of... Oh boy. What's... Oh boy. Benaros... Oh boy.
Starting point is 00:17:12 I'm going to send this one to the chat. Let someone else handle this one. Let's let the people... I'm too Canadian. Spanish and sort of speak Spanish. It's a boot. There we go. I sent it to the regular Cool Zone chat. Oh, Buenos Aires.
Starting point is 00:17:26 No, that wasn't the word. Garrison. I can't read that. I have no idea. Then it's the capital of Argentina. I don't know. I can't read it. I never say words.
Starting point is 00:17:40 I only read them. Yeah, this is the thing. Buenos Aires. Buenos Aires? Buenos? Buenos. Buenos Aires. Buenos Aires? Buenos? Buenos. I'm learning how to read ancient Greek for magic, and that's way easier than this.
Starting point is 00:17:54 I was quibbled. Are you going to be like a Hebrew understander on Twitter? Are you going to be like, it means legal immigrants when he says that, guys. No, only for ancient Greek. okay only only for greeks to use to use in spells i forget that people who aren't americans don't pick up the sort of like smattering of terrible spanish that like everyone in the u.s can kind of do yeah no i i i i grew up as a kid in saskatchewan No one's going to speak Spanish there.
Starting point is 00:18:26 Just food nouns. You can just do like a pollo. But anyway, so they searched his studio apartment in apparently this big town, Buenos Aires, right? This is Argentina or Asia. So people are going to be legitimately very angry but it's fine but anyway they searched his apartment uh they found just a hundred bullets just around just like in various places or like they said they just found a hundred bullets like like uh around his studio apartment so
Starting point is 00:19:03 yeah that's that's that's the statement. It's amazing. If people haven't watched the video, I'd highly recommend looking it up. So Mr. Montel is registered with tax authorities as an Uber driver. And pretty soon people figured out that he's not just a regular dude.
Starting point is 00:19:24 There was a few signs, most notably the Sonnenrad tattoo on his elbow. That'll do it. So which, yeah. That's the Azov Battalion logo, right? What is it? James, shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up, James. Oh, God.
Starting point is 00:19:43 So, yes, a wave of people who think they're smart but are actually not uh saw the son and rad and thought that he was doing this in solidarity with the azov battalion um isn't he like in a dukeness group i i'll i'll get to it not quite um but no it's not azov battalion because the son and rad does not come from the Azoth Battalion. As most people listening to this show should probably know already. His social media accounts got taken down pretty quick, but we do have a few archives, which I'll be working off of to kind of paint the rest of this weird guy's picture. He is steeped in a whole bunch of eclectic
Starting point is 00:20:26 and esoteric things. He has various esoteric symbols tattooed across his body. He follows a lot of extremely interesting Facebook pages. He is interested in stuff from far-right groups, conspiracy theories, mysticism, Freemasonry, quote-unquote alchemy, and the Kabbalah, or again, quote-unquote the Kabbalah, across many kind of political esoteric fascist interests.
Starting point is 00:20:59 It's not very surprising. By the way, I just found out there's a whole page by that Calibra Oscura guy, and you were right and I was wrong. It's a.32 ACP pistol. Thank you. Thank you. It was a.32 ACP. Huh. Wow.
Starting point is 00:21:15 Yeah. Maybe if you spent less time making fun of my Spanish, we could learn something. That's plentiful. Yeah. I think in terms of levels of understanding here for a while he used the symbol of the tyronal order of the knights which was a fringe kind of far-right argentine uh fascist mystical group from the 1980s but he had that as his facebook profile for a while so he's like into the worst type of nerd things.
Starting point is 00:21:46 Like instead of just playing D&D and getting it out of your system, he's like, I'm going to become a fascist and a wizard. You know, if he'd had a cultural center where he could play D&D with other people. Just saying. Talk about Dragon Ball, play D&D. Yeah, paint.
Starting point is 00:22:03 Do some really bad figure painting. Do art, and we wouldn't have had a problem here. But instead, here we are. So, I mean, like, looking at his Facebook page, right, you see stuff about, like, paganism, Vikings, death metal, not very good philosophers. These types of things don't immediately indicate a connection to the far right.
Starting point is 00:22:23 Like, you can't just take them by themselves. But when taken all together with the much more overt political things, you can get a fuller picture of who this person actually is. You know, it's like when I'm walking down the street and I see someone inside, like, a half skull mask, that doesn't immediately mean they're Nazi. But if I see the half skull mask and it's some questionable tattoos, I'm like, okay, then you're able to put that together. So same thing with here, right? When someone's really into like pagan Viking shit, it may make me side-eye, but until I see some things that really confirm my suspicions, I'm not going to, you know, talk to this person as if they are a Nazi. talking to this person as if they are a Nazi.
Starting point is 00:23:04 This guy is a Nazi. He is a big old Nazi. A few extremism researchers in Argentina have kind of made statements about this guy and what their take on it is as someone who actually is in Argentina, right? I'm an extremism researcher who lives in Oregon, so I don't really have the same cultural understanding. But you have a good grasp on the language, which is helpful.
Starting point is 00:23:26 I have a good grasp on the language when they're using magic words. When they're using words from real languages, not really. But no, they've talked about him, like saying this dude is quote, not explicitly connected to an organization,
Starting point is 00:23:44 but they relate to the fascist ideology and compared him to kind of being the types of, quote, unquote, like lone wolf attackers that are not connected to any like specific political movement but almost just like an emanation of political ideas online like in Christchurch, Buffalo, and El Paso. Those were the places that he was kind of compared to as people who aren't inside a group, but are willing to go out and take politics into the real world. But yeah, they compared his profile to other types of quote-unquote lone wolf, which is not a good term. but what that means is someone who's isolated doing a mass shooting or a terrorist attack or an attempt at a political assassination. Montel was described with his friends as eccentric and insecure and dishonest,
Starting point is 00:24:37 but not necessarily openly violent or openly invested in political parties, which isn't surprising when you get someone into this like nerdy type of politics, that's like, yeah, they're doing politics as it relates to being like a weird nerd online. But you know,
Starting point is 00:24:55 who knows his, his friends may just not, not seeing this side of him at all. Like who, who can, who can say, because he did have a lot of fascist tattoos. So like,
Starting point is 00:25:05 like, come on guys. On theist tattoos. So like, like, come on guys. Um, on the, he had, like, like we said, son and rad on his left elbow on the back of his hands.
Starting point is 00:25:13 He had a, uh, he had the iron cross and he had, uh, Thor's hammer. Uh, but like, like the,
Starting point is 00:25:20 like the traditional one, not like Marvel movie shit in a funny, maybe coincidence. this guy, the assassin, was actually interviewed twice on television in like months before the attack, just as an average citizen on the street giving his opinion on politics. One of them, he was interviewed with his girlfriend, and they were complaining about Argentina's social welfare programs, saying that they make people lazy. And then in another more recent one –
Starting point is 00:25:51 They're not even that good. In another more recent interview, he was asked if he supported Argentina's new finance minister, which he responded, hell no. And then he offered his opinion as well, saying that he doesn't support Cristina either. Cristina is later the person he tries to kill. Which, you know, I will say this, this is not out of line for, like, whenever a journalist tries to pick a random person on the street, like, it's like, they're always interviewing Hitler Mussolini, like, it's just every single time.
Starting point is 00:26:20 Like, this guy is a representative sample of those people. But, yeah, so he gives up his unsolicited opinion on christina who he then tries to murder on tv just a month before he tries to kill her um so now back at the scene uh authorities said that so the gun they had five bullets inside um the serial number was partially, partially removed. Um, it was, it was an older, it was an older gun. It was not, was, was not brand new. Um, they said that the gun model had not, had not been manufactured in 40 years.
Starting point is 00:26:58 Um, but it's, uh, it's the. It looks like it was made until 1978. So like, yeah, it's pretty old. Yeah. The gun could have failed to fire cause it was broken or because it was just improperly loaded um because have you come across the argentine media articles which are explaining how to properly cock the hammer on one of these that is some real real real interesting take stuff being like next time. So good stuff as always from our friends in the media.
Starting point is 00:27:29 And reportedly the gun tried to get fired twice. So pulled the trigger at least two times. And when they recovered it, there was no round chambered. So he may have just not like cocked it. This is really like, he could have just not cocked it at all and that could be why he didn't fire like it's unclear that this whole thing is really like the like it's the verdant virgin kirschner assassin versus the chad abe assassin that the chad abe assassin went to the time of building his own weapon he fired it twice bull shots went off a fucking virgin this guy zero fires it twice doesn't doesn't build his
Starting point is 00:28:07 own weapon zero bullets come out oh do we know if it's legal for this person to own the gun in argentina or had heard they like acquired it legally and not been able to test it illegally and not being able to test it because that would have also sort of got some attention to them i believe it's illegal okay yeah. Yeah. Well, either way. I should have just done the old Abe method with the pipe gun and the battery, I guess. Well, do you know what isn't illegal? And that's assembling your own...
Starting point is 00:28:34 No, it's... That's very legal where I live. These products and services which support this podcast. Very not illegal. Welcome. I'm Danny Thrill. Won't you join me at the fire and dare enter?
Starting point is 00:28:58 Nocturnum, Tales from the Shadows, presented by iHeart and Sonora. An anthology of modern day horror stories inspired by the legends of Latin America. From ghastly encounters with shapeshifters to bone-chilling brushes with supernatural creatures. I know you. Take a trip and experience the horrors that have haunted Latin America since the beginning of time. Listen to Nocturnal Tales from the Shadows as part of My Cultura podcast network,
Starting point is 00:29:40 available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian.
Starting point is 00:30:08 Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him.
Starting point is 00:30:23 Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jack Peace Thomas, the host of a brand new Black Effect original series, Black Lit, the podcast for diving deep into the rich world of Black literature. I'm Jack Peace Thomas, and I'm inviting you to join me and a vibrant community of literary enthusiasts dedicated to protecting and celebrating our stories. Black Lit is for the page turners, for those who listen to audiobooks while commuting or running errands,
Starting point is 00:31:18 for those who find themselves seeking solace, wisdom, and refuge between the chapters. From thought-provoking novels to powerful poetry, we'll explore the stories that shape our culture. Together, we'll dissect classics and contemporary works while uncovering the stories of the brilliant writers behind them. Blacklit is here to amplify the voices of Black writers and to bring their words to life. Listen to Black Lit on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hola, mi gente. It's Honey German, and I'm bringing you Gracias, Come Again, the podcast where we dive deep into the world of Latin culture,
Starting point is 00:31:56 musica, peliculas, and entertainment with some of the biggest names in the game. If you love hearing real conversations with your favorite Latin celebrities, artists, and culture shifters, this is the podcast for you. We're talking real conversations with our Latin stars, from actors and artists to musicians and creators, sharing their stories, struggles, and successes. You know it's going to be filled with chisme laughs and all the vibes that you love. Each week, we'll explore everything from music and pop culture to deeper topics like identity, community, and breaking down barriers in all sorts of industries.
Starting point is 00:32:28 Don't miss out on the fun, el té caliente, and life stories. Join me for Gracias Come Again, a podcast by Honey German, where we get into todo lo actual y viral. Listen to Gracias Come Again on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast all right we are we are back um i'm gonna share with you guys the document i'm looking at uh so you can so you can uh have have fun looking at all of these uh these symbols with me. Scroll to where the first picture is. And then we're going to go over all of the weird shit that we have.
Starting point is 00:33:12 So we're looking at his Facebook likes here? Yes. These are the Facebook pages that he follows. I'm just going to zoom in on this bad boy. Dear God. Oh, yeah. This is a bit of a red flag. There's some yikes here.
Starting point is 00:33:24 So, yeah, 35 years old He has a Chilean father and an Argentine mother He's lived in Argentina for at least 20 years His profiles on Facebook and Instagram Were taken down pretty soon On his Instagram he described himself as A devout Christian Sure, buddy
Starting point is 00:33:40 Well, the Knights Templar pop up on here so yes yes um uh he didn't comment on brazilian politics very much it was mostly interested in argentina um but and a lot of the esoteric nazi stuff um a lot of the weird like there's actually an interesting history of esoteric nazi stuff specifically inside argent Argentina as well. Obviously, a lot of Nazis fled to Argentina. It's kind of been a fostered ground for them. But yeah, there's a lot of stuff here. One of the pages he follows is named Camarada Miguel SS, which is just a picture of Nazi soldiers in armbands.
Starting point is 00:34:24 I don't know. you're underselling this uh that looks like hitler nothing to me there's there's there's a lot of stuff uh yeah bibliotheca esoterica but yeah there's there's stuff on like gnosticism there's stuff on freemasonry um all of like it's kind of like a it's a little bit of a basic bitch here. This is like, it's not, it's for, for this type of guy. It's not surprising. Obviously he's not like a normal dude, but for someone who's into esoteric fascist stuff, you're like, okay, yeah, you hit all the things like you're, I'm not surprised looking at
Starting point is 00:34:58 your page. Um, so yeah, like we said, he's tattooed with a black sun, iron cross, and a Mjolnir. Now, obviously, the iron cross and the Mjolnir are not symbols created by Nazis. You know, they were previously existing symbols. Iron cross existed in the Prussian army. The Mjolnir is an old Nordic symbol. But both of these were co-opted by the Nazis pretty strongly
Starting point is 00:35:26 now have very strong associations if you scroll down to the next page I have all of his tattoos here so you can see a bit of the son of red on his elbow you can see some of the hammer on his I believe his elbow. You can see some of the, uh, hammer on his,
Starting point is 00:35:45 uh, I believe his right hand has the hammer and his left hand has the, has the iron cross. Yeah. Uh, so I mean, uh, what's this diamond thing on his inner wrist.
Starting point is 00:36:00 I'm going to get to that. Okay. So the black sun, son of rad, we've talked about this on the show a lot it exists before Azov a lot of liberals now think it's an Azov battalion symbol
Starting point is 00:36:14 no a lot of Nazi mass shooters have had Sun and Rad like patches and stuff for years and years and years it's been very popular it's also very popular among esoteric fascists yeah also very popular
Starting point is 00:36:28 among like you see a lot of Wagner group guys with this like you see there's a lot of Russian soldiers who have this shit on so yes but no it makes sense as it in its popularity as like an esoteric fascist symbol this guy's into all of the esoteric fascist
Starting point is 00:36:44 shit so he's of course he's gonna have a black son um uh so the that now james mentioned another tattoo which kind of looks like a diamond uh which is the yggdrasil emursal um which is how how that's how i'm gonna pronounce it because nobody cares um it It means a great tall pillar. It's known as the tree bridge that would connect the earth to the celestial greater reality. The Armin's Yule plays an important role in old Germanic paganism. There probably was a physical sacrificial site adorned with like big pillars um but i'd like and like a lot of the old weird german shit it got nazified um heinrich himmler
Starting point is 00:37:33 founded the society for research and teaching of ancestral heritage in 1935 uh which was this was an organization with the aim of retracing, quote, ancient Aryan artifacts that support the master race theory. Oh, boy. And he used one of these for the original symbol of this organization, which is all about, like, tracing back old Germanic, like, pagan shit to be like, here's evidence that we're the master race
Starting point is 00:38:04 and all of our, he's like trying to manufacture anthropology, which supports all of the bad science that says we are Aryans and we are better. So he's, it's this like fake, you know, it's like the Indiana Jones stuff.
Starting point is 00:38:17 Like this is, this is, this is, this is what he's trying to do. But that one of the symbols used for that was the, the emensule or the jagdrasil. Possibly this symbol was also linked to Odin. It's unclear because the actual god that represents imensural is hard to trace. hard to trace um but yeah probably a sacred object in the form of a pillar uh that represents kind of the the trunk of the nordic spiritual cosmos that rises up into kind of the heavens yes it's something it's something the nazis pilfered from like germanic paganism turned it into nazi shit
Starting point is 00:38:59 and became this idea around the spiritual center of German nationalism. It's like this spiritual thing that represents how pure we are as German nationalists. Anyway, obviously the shooter is not German, which is kind of... So I wonder why he has that, huh? I wonder what he's trying to say there. He just likes German people He's interested in their culture But yes he has one of these on his I believe it's his left hand
Starting point is 00:39:31 On his forearm It's a pretty intricate symbol Yeah that's like his best tattoo as well Some of the others are pretty ropey Yeah the The millionaire tattoo is not very good um the uh the the iron cross is pretty faded but uh but the the great pillar one's decent um in terms of like quality again we're just reviewing the tattoos of an esoteric fascist yeah yeah yeah best fascist
Starting point is 00:40:01 tattoo top five um look assassination Week is also fashion week. Yeah, it's true. Would you say better or worse than Eta Wizard Beres and the ski mask at this point? I like the ski masks. I think it's slightly better. It's a bold take. Believe it.
Starting point is 00:40:21 The thing that James was asking about previously, there's this really weird symbol that obviously looks kind of swastika-ish. It's made up of two different runes combined into one symbol. um this this is this is the kind of logo of an esoteric neo-nazi sect in argentina founded by a very famous argentinian neo-nazi named nimrod d rosario um which i do like that his name is nimrod yeah it's like oh god so yes um i highlighted this this thing do you want to try to pronounce that one? that one's yeah so that is the name of the sect
Starting point is 00:41:15 it's the symbol's a combination of the Odal rune and the Tyro rune and the Tyra rune, hence the name Tyrodal or Tyrodal. It's a combination of these things into this new thing. So this is very popular for this type of kind of esoteric Nazi writer
Starting point is 00:41:44 inside Argentina. type of like kind of kind of esoteric nazi writer uh inside in inside argentina he had so the assassin or attempted assassin had a few of these things saved um he was actually an organization like their order of knights the tyroidal knights or however we say that i mean I mean, not really. Is this a Facebook chivalric order? It's hard to say. I mean, like, no, they're not out there doing tons of shit. Are they LARPing? Yes, yes, they are. I mean, as soon as any one of these groups
Starting point is 00:42:22 calls themselves like an order of the knights, they're always LARPing. Like, they're always doing kind of a LARP Like whenever someone's into the Templars and shit You're like okay Who's that Texas politician recently who joined He's like sworn to protect Christians In the Holy Land
Starting point is 00:42:37 It was very funny Yeah like come on Yeah Yeah he's got a lot of christian stuff as well like i'm looking at the uh and then what yeah i mean that's that's kind of with all of like the gnosticism stuff which was draws on a lot of like christian imagery or catholic imagery and he did describe himself as a christian on his uh instagram account which still it's like okay bud you're you're into some weirder shit than that but yeah there is there is there
Starting point is 00:43:05 is some of a christian basis for this style of like exotericism i feel you okay well what i've just found is uh that i'm sorry i've just scrolled down didn't expect to see that didn't expect to see what is it like a cam girl uh olay cam official oh yes yes he was he was retweeting a camgirl On his twitter So I have some other stuff here On the Argentinian Patriot front
Starting point is 00:43:35 But Please Different patriot front than the American one But that was just talking I just wanted to talk briefly a bit about like argentinian like uh nazism or fascism um much like brazilian stuff with bolsonaro and the kind of the the the fascist groups that have been active in both countries for a while both of them have historical roots that go back to the 20th century.
Starting point is 00:44:06 There are neo-Nazi and neo-fascist groups that have been active in Argentina for decades. We talked a little bit about this in the Kyle Rittenhouse Cultural Center as well, as it relates to anti-communist-like stuff. One of the kind of oldest groups of Argentinian fascism formed into a new group called Patriot Front or Frente Patriota. How would you say that?
Starting point is 00:44:40 How would you say that? Patriota. I was close. Yeah, you were really there for like 80% it i really thought you had it um but yeah so this this new group uh patriot front was formed in 2017 um but it's based off of a very famous uh far-right leader called aleandro Biandino. Again, that's how I'm going to do it.
Starting point is 00:45:09 His name is highlighted here. Is that it? Yeah, it's not a Spanish-sounding name. He's been active in Argentina's far-right sphere for a long, long time. He's kind of like the main guy
Starting point is 00:45:26 who's trying to do stuff he's sick 66 years old um he was born in Argentina um yeah I was Argentina has a massive um uh Italian population this has been like this has been true for sort of a long time like yeah and yeah, and this sort of, this cuts both ways politically. Like, a lot of those guys used to be anarchists. Like, there was a huge anarchist movement in Argentina for a long time. Also a lot of weird fascists.
Starting point is 00:45:56 So, it is, it is, it is interesting that, like, this neo-Nazi assassin, again, wasn't part of any of these groups, wasn't really aligned with this patriot front group, wasn't really aligned with any other kind of actual like far-right political activism um he was just into weird he was into like dressing up as a as a wizard and talking about weird gnosticism and fascism online and then he tried to kill the vice president um did he like live near her was this like an impulse thing or is this like a long planned
Starting point is 00:46:26 i think he did live nearby i mean i i believe it's i mean she was in the capital city so yeah yeah well it's a it's a big place you can walk you can you can you can get around if you're dedicated million people around the city of which city is it again i can't remember i can't remember either i you know i i who's to say who's to say so yes this is this is the story of the uh not assassination that was attempted a few weeks ago in argentina and the guy behind it who should have just learned to play dnd um like honestly yeah uh well he did not it's probably gonna spend a long time in jail now probably i mean he he did not kill the vice president but he did put a gun in her face and tried to pull the trigger two times in
Starting point is 00:47:22 front of tons of cameras, that gets you to attempted assassination. I think he did some crimes. Even if he didn't know how to chamber his round properly. Once again, the master race prevails. So yeah, any other notes on this guy or the stuff
Starting point is 00:47:39 in Argentina? Any comments? Comments from the gallery? No, fascinating stuff again this is he is so much less cool and worse of an assassin than the Habe guy this guy sucks compared to
Starting point is 00:47:55 he's probably the least based guy we're going to be talking about yeah I think by far at least Eto was successful in sending someone into Nir-earth orbit. Oh, God. It was also... You can buy Nimrod's books on Amazon.com.
Starting point is 00:48:10 Yeah. That's a problem. All right, we'll be expensing some of those. That is... You shouldn't be able to do that. Come on. He has a Twitter account? What?
Starting point is 00:48:21 Let's just read some of these tweets. Are they in English or Spanish? Spanish. Drop the links But I can do Google Translate Oh, it talks about Zionist terrorism The myth of the Holocaust I mean, it's, again Oh, the myth of the Holocaust
Starting point is 00:48:38 He's a Nazi What are you going to expect? Physical reaction to that last one but yes so this was the guy that had the symbol that had the weird combination rune symbol that the
Starting point is 00:48:56 assassin liked the books of and used the symbology of on his facebook I just sent the writers of a twitter account to the CoolZone chat. Once I go to Nimrod's Twitter page, on the who to follow section, it recommends
Starting point is 00:49:16 Alexander Dugan. Good, good. This was the guy I had vaguely read somewhere that this guy liked Dugan or something. But he also... Isn't he dead?
Starting point is 00:49:28 I believe he's dead. So who's running this Twitter account? Well, he hasn't posted for a while. These are like 2016 posts. Some lackey is using the Twitter. How did he die in the 90s? He died in 1997. Okay, so this is like...
Starting point is 00:49:41 Yeah, alright, alright. This is like some lackey is posting on his account to plug his books. Oh, wow, man. Maybe he's in a state. Yeah, he's retweeting the phalange. It's funny. A lot of the people who retweet,
Starting point is 00:49:58 you go to their account and it's like, this account is temporarily unavailable because it violates Twitter's media policy. Yeah, I wonder why. I wonder what's going on there. Yeah, I do like Nimrod's website is down, which is good.
Starting point is 00:50:14 That is nice. His official website is offline, so that's good. It sucks that his books are on Amazon, but it's good that he's dead. It is good that he's dead. it sucks that his books are on Amazon but you know what can you do it is good that he's dead so
Starting point is 00:50:30 he is dead the vice president is not and the assassin is probably going to be in jail for a long time and that's the episode it could happen here is a production of cool zone media for more podcasts from cool zone media visit our website coolzonemedia.com or check us out on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts you can find sources for it could happen here updated monthly
Starting point is 00:50:59 at coolzonemedia.com sources thanks listening. You should probably keep your lights on for Nocturnal Tales from the Shadow. Join me, Danny Trails, and step into the flames of fright. An anthology podcast of modern day horror stories inspired by the most terrifying legends and lore of Latin America.
Starting point is 00:51:25 Listen to Nocturnal on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The 2025 iHeart Podcast Awards are coming. This is the chance to nominate your podcast for the industry's biggest award. Submit your podcast for nomination now at iHeart.com slash podcast awards. But hurry, submissions close on December 8th. Hey, you've been doing all that talking. It's time to get rewarded for it. Submit your podcast today
Starting point is 00:51:56 at iHeart.com slash podcast awards. That's iHeart.com slash podcast awards. and at times unhinged look at the underbelly of tech brought to you by an industry veteran with nothing to lose. Listen to Better Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever else you get your podcasts from. Welcome to Gracias Come Again, a podcast by Honey German, where we get real and dive straight into todo lo actual y viral. We're talking música, los premios, el chisme, and all things trending in my culture.
Starting point is 00:52:45 I'm bringing you all the latest happening in our entertainment world and some fun and impactful interviews with your favorite Latin artists, comedians, actors, and influencers. Each week, we get deep and raw life stories, combos on the issues that matter to us, and it's all packed with gems, fun, straight-up comedia, and that's a song that only Nuestra Gente can sprinkle. Listen to Gracias Come Again on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

There aren't comments yet for this episode. Click on any sentence in the transcript to leave a comment.