It Could Happen Here - Behind America's First Culture War Beheading Video

Episode Date: February 12, 2024

Garrison and Robert look into the curious case of Justin Mohn, the self published author and musician who beheaded his father to start the war against Biden.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's time to get rewarded for it. Submit your podcast today at iHeart.com slash podcast awards. That's iHeart.com slash podcast awards. Welcome to It Could Happen Here, a podcast about things falling apart and you know folks season one of this if you listened way back in 2019 we focused a lot on my fears about a massive coming uh civil conflict in the united states you know along the lines of a civil war but sort of based around my experiences and civil conflicts in Ukraine and Iraq and Syria, a number of other parts of the world prior to 2020. And one of the reasons I'm bringing this

up right now is because, you know, what I experienced with the fighting in ISIS in Iraq was kind of instrumental in me understanding how conflict looked in the modern era and how the United States was closer to a conflict like that, then I think a lot of folks would normally, especially people who are kind of obsessed with the idea of a civil war as two big armies in gray and blue marching at each other, were willing to kind of to contend with. And when I was starting that reporting over there, you know, taking my first trips to Iraq, one of the first things that I did was watch every ISIS beheading video and some of the Al Qaeda in Iraq beheading videos prior to that, not as a voyeuristic thing, but because I felt like if I was going to take myself and another person into that situation, the responsible thing to do was make myself very informed of what the stakes were.

And I'm bringing this all up, not because we're talking about the Middle East today, but because we are talking about a beheading video, probably the first beheading video directly tied to the US culture war that I can name. And I'm going to throw to Garrison Davis now. All right. So last week, I believe most of this went down on january 30th a 32 year old man named justin moan shot his father in the head with a handgun he bought the day previously and then used a kitchen knife and machete to allegedly again this is all quote unquote allegedly allegedly yes to allegedly alleged by him in the video that he recorded. Yes.

Cut off his father's head in a bathtub. He put it in a pot and then recorded a video, which he posted publicly onto YouTube. It was about 15 minutes long, titled Moan's Militia, Call to Arms for American Patriots, where he ranted about a number of things and mostly called for the killing of federal employees he fled i think he went a slightly upstate towards

a national guard training camp and then was arrested a few hours later after his mother found the severed uh head and body of her husband in the house that they all lived in together this is uh one of the most bizarre acts of extremist violence that i've come across in terms of like the amount of research i've done into this um and i think it it kind of points at a at a uh this trend of of extremist acts of violence done by people who have a lot of content on the internet, not just like posting manifestos, but like are, are, are, are positioning themselves as some form of like alternative content creator. This guy had a lot of music, had a lot of self-published books in lieu of leaving like a complete single manifesto. We get these just years of of of writing and like artistic creations that now yeah live on

archive.org as kind of ghosts of this guy's presence and i think what's interesting about that is that shift between between and i think the christchurch shooter is probably like the kt boundary of this particular evolutionary shift from like the norm would be that you would produce a specific manifesto as an act, like a political act as part of whatever act of violence you carried on. The goal was both to inspire other people to act and to, you know, partly just to frame yourself as something besides a lone maniac. And I think one of the things that's really interesting about this shift to an increasing

number of these people representing what they're doing in fiction in some way um or in some other kind of creative endeavor is that it sort of mirrors the the idea that like in our culture the thing that people most want to be is some sort of like influencer content creator like that's the top desired job among like a lot of gen z kids and it's also just increasingly like the thing that people creatively want to see themselves as and so like i think this fits into this trend of violence that is is that is foreshadowed by someone not by a work of like political thought you know which you may not want to think of a manifesto as that but that is what it is but is preceded instead by art

yeah so i i think i'll talk about a few kind of semi-similar or at least other cases that have some curious linkages probably close to the end of the episode but i i have some writing here prepared about about the beheading video itself um and then uh a few other kind of random random stuff about the art that he's made and robert will probably fill in some some useful gaps because robert acquired a very special piece of uh of literature recently so the night that this went down as soon as i found out this guy had written not just a book, but multiple books, I was like, well, I kind of want to read these. And I know they're going to get pulled by tomorrow. And Amazon will probably Amazon can just take back the Kindle books that you buy from them. So I ordered a hard copy of the book that seemed like the most meaningful to him.

It's called The Second Messiah, King of Earth by Justin Moan. It is distressingly thick, like 450 pages or so. It is so much book. And the weird thing about it, I've read through a chunk of it, and we will be getting to some of it. It's not badly written. And I want to be clear, I'm not that like he's a good writer in the commercial sense or that he's a good writer in that like he's a he's a skilled artist i'm saying that like it's clear writing you're always sure what he's trying to

say when he depicts events is happening those events are crazy but like he's they're clearly depicted which is interesting to me um and yeah we will we will be hearing about more of that in part two but i i have learned a decent amount about him from from this book the second messiah king of earth so let's let's get into that 15 minute video he starts by holding up what is alleged to be his father's head uh inside a plastic bag he holds it up for a few seconds and then starts talking. Now, my initial reaction to this video is just how unremarkable most of this rant is. There's like calling for killing federal employees, which is like the one thing. A lot of people do that. But also, you can hear so many of the sentiments that he talks about from Fox News contributors,

from popular right wing podcast hosts, and even sitting politicians. They also talk about how, quote, America is rotting from the inside out as far-left woke mobs rampage our once prosperous cities, turning them into lawless zones, unquote. Yeah. He uses that term a lot, lawless zones. That term probably comes up like about 10 times across this whole video and i i want to i think we need to start before we get further into this with the elephant in the room which is like a lot and and what a lot of people have said about this guy well this this man was mentally ill and that is absolutely the case you know we i i add

the disclaimer whenever we talk about mental illness and mass shootings, people who are mentally ill, people who are schizophrenic are not more likely to do this kind of violence than anybody else. But that said, when they do it, they're also not necessarily less responsible. And what I mean by that is a person can be mentally ill and engage in a shooting. And that doesn't mean you shouldn't pay attention to what they are or another act of violence. That doesn't mean you don't pay attention to why they're saying they did it. The fact that this guy is clearly, I believe, schizophrenic does not mean that his reasons for doing this are immaterial, because most people who have whatever mental illness this guy did have do not cut their dad's head off.

So the fact that he is justifying it with this very boilerplate set of right-wing culture war grievances is meaningful and it's meaningful because absent that influence in his life perhaps he either doesn't carry out an act of violence or it's at least a very different looking one and and so i i think that is important to just get out to up front he certainly had years of uh experiencing paranoia some conspiratorial thinking but but specifically the ire directed towards his own conception of of the federal government and how it is leading to societal decay is what sparked this act of violence and is why he called for copycat killings so yes

inside this rant justin moan talks about taxes inflation and an economy that no longer serves american citizens he mentions how the traitorous biden regime is sending over american troops to fight in a doomed war in the russian winter leaving america defenseless against a quote fifth column army of illegal immigrants invading our southern border to strike americans on our own soil unquote that's that that's another term he uses a lot fifth column yeah probably says it like four or five times and that's that's a very old term that's a term that you would hear in a lot of john birch uh materials from like the middle of the last century you know so moan identified himself

as quote the commander of america's national network Militias, also known as Mone's Militia, which seems to be mostly a delusion. He had no known connections to actual militias in his state or any other states. This seemed to be an idea that he got into his own head. He then ordered all, quote, militias and patriots across the country to, quote, hunt down and murder every federal employee on site and to siege all courthouses, FBI, IRS, and federal law enforcement offices to kill and capture all border patrol, U.S. marshals, federal agents, and judges and, quote, torture them for information and publicly execute them for betraying the country, unquote. He had this really, he had this line that stuck out to me i i didn't copy this is a long video i did not copy every single thing he said he also this is this is one line he

included earn your place in heaven by sending a traitor to hell early with just the the the cold like very like emotionless way he said that kind of stuck with me yes and that is not a belief that you have to go to a guy experiencing a mental health crisis to find you you you can hear shades of this all over fucking twitter among other places um you can hear this if you listen to certain right-wingers give public comment like yeah in your local city council. Like it's not, um, so Moan asked that police veterans and national guard join the fight or else cities like Philadelphia will turn into lawless zones like Portland and San Francisco. He also asked local militias to be his own personal security force so that federal employees do not try to arrest him.

Yeah. so that federal employees do not try to arrest him. Yeah. He said that state governments should be left alone unless they intervene in his revolution. Quote, the federal government is the enemy. Then Moan declared that, quote, Joe Biden is no longer in power. I am now officially the acting president under martial law, unquote.

He ordered military generals to not deploy U.S. troops against U.S. militias and instead join their fight to not deploy u.s troops against u.s militias and instead join their fight to defend the constitution it would be fun if the constitution worked that way if like they put that in back in 1787 like oh yeah and if uh you know if martial law is declared he's not around yet but there's gonna be this guy justin moan he's he's in charge so this is one thing that i'm still slightly confused on well there's a few things that are obviously confusing it seems confusing but mode offered a one million dollar bounty on a number of high-level federal u.s employees and a hundred thousand dollars for every federal judge and even doxed one in pennsylvania he claimed to currently have 10 million dollars

to uh to exhaust on these bounties and i that is not that's just not true uh yes definitely not man constantly complains about how he's in a poor financial situation as a result of a number of factors he does not have 10 million dollars now he ordered all non-military federal employees to resign before ending up like his father now his father was an employee at the u.s army corps of engineers for almost 20 years he resigned uh i think like last year or a few years back it's interesting he he uh called for specifically non-military federal employees to resign. He was very pro-military. I'm not sure if his father, working for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, how exactly that fits in to his ideology here,

but we're not laying out a clear line of thinking, obviously. It is, this is just slightly off topic, but it's never not fascinating to me how strong the feeling of emotional attachment to the u.s military is like that even this guy would be like this guy who was so clearly deranged and violent about this kind of thing would be like but they're they're the exception like they're obviously still basically good yeah it's just interesting to me what else is interesting to me garrison is where our money comes from and you know where our money comes from. And you know where our money comes from? The Federal Reserve. Yes, actually, we are sponsored entirely, entirely by the Federal

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he will not be able to offer protection and jesus christ no that's negotiating with the postal service that's very funny i mean this is serious but that is kind of funny this guy isn't a nazi he's not a nazi no no no definitely not he is a he is an extremist he is a he is a conservative extremist he does repeatedly in his book by the way also talk about like racism being bad like that is like very much uh a consistent through line but some of this like kill your local postman type stuff certainly reflects a strain of extremist neo-nazi thinking um that particularly james mason's stuff from the 80s yes so he also said quote if the media spreads lies about this revolution i authorize the targeting of news stations their owners and employees general kind of conservative anti

anti-news anti-journalist rhetoric quote the hunting capturing and killing of america's federal employees will not stop until americans demands are met and the network of america's traders is wiped out unquote now some of these demands that he called for includes closing the borders a mass deportation of immigrants that have entered under the biden regime ceasing all human trafficking of children and sex slaves which is obviously already illegal canceling all public debt an end to the federal reserve restore congress's right to print interest-free money and and ceasing all of the quote woke and gender ideology propaganda in schools unquote so we have a weird mix of like

very like libertarian stuff like the federal reserve interest-free money and then other more popular conservative stuff around like the border and then this thing about woke and gender ideology yeah there's even a little like nessara jessara stuff in there too about like the whole like allow the government to print interest-free money again like that's that's it's interesting that that's mixed in tomato as well yeah yeah no it's a it's a curious collection of uh of political thought now traitors to the country included not just federal employees but also quote bribed members of the deep state labor racketeers of the prison industrial complex and globalist leaders of

assorted industries unquote now there's there's a lot to unpack there um bribe members of the deep state i think doesn't need any explanation but moan had this idea that labor unions were working with with corporations to make straight white males have have have a hard time to find a job so that they would always be unemployed. And unemployment leads to people being arrested and sent to prison as a way to fund the court system. So this is what he means by labor racketeers of the prison industrial complex. It's that labor unions are colluding with the government and businesses to keep certain sects of the population unemployed to fill up prisons. Now, in terms of globalist leaders of assorted industries,

he specifically was talking about big tech companies that commit tax evasion. He claimed that he used to work for Microsoft and witnessed massive tax evasion. I have not looked into that. I do not. I do not believe he definitely do like they all, they all do. It's not, I don't think they break the law because they have whole departments of people who are there to make sure that at least they're not breaking the law enough that it will matter.

But whatever. I mean, again, some of all grievances like this come from real things. Corporations like Microsoft that are tremendously wealthy do not pay their fair share and in fact do a great deal to elide their tax burden he's just like yeah it's it's one of the frustrating things about this is how all of this actual malfeasance feeds into these delusions and feeds into the conspiratorial narratives of the people that take advantage of people like Justin. Yep. He said that martial law will continue as long as Americans support him and until America is secured enough to hold a legitimate election, and that Moon would authorize police and military to use any force necessary to take back America's cities from, quote, fifth column extremist

organizations such as the LGBT community, the BLM movement, and terrorist organizations like Antifa, unquote. This is where he went on a whole Antifa rant, saying, Antifa is a part of the federal government's systematic top-down globalist and communist takeover of America. Mohn stressed the importance of capturing alive, quote, one of the key players involved in this treason, or else they will never be able to discover the entire network of evil, unquote. So, Moan blamed Antifa, BLM, and the LGBTQ community for stoking division to create a race war and religious war. It's just, it's hard to hold the justification of, you're accusing people of stoking division as you're holding up the severed head of your father like there's just that a complete disconnect here quote the government has disallowed any peaceful solution violence is the only

solution to the federal government's treason and the actions of their fifth column terrorist organizations like antifa this is an ideological and spiritual war unquote yeah very similar in some ways to what mcveigh was saying right like this is the only way to communicate with the government it's the only language that they understand yeah yeah and then lastly he kind of closes this video with a a further look into some of his own like political delusions he said that before the 2020 elections electors and campaign uh contributors from both parties said that they saw justin moan as the best candidate for the president of america he's 32 years old he was he was like 20 what 28 back

in 2020 quote i could have been the first unanimously elected president but i was betrayed by the fbi federal courts, and my own family because there are people that believe I am the Messiah, which goes against the government's satanic communist ideology. Quick note, if all of those groups didn't want you to be president, how would you have been elected unanimously? Or would the FBI have been like, well, now that he's on the ballot, we got to vote for the guy so after saying there are many people that believe i am the messiah

he then said quote i would never compare myself to jesus christ unquote which is not true he has many times yeah he sure has you know most notably in the title of his book the second messiah king of earth by justin moan although that is about his self-insert character who he says lives a life identical to his named buster moon buster moon uh-huh and then i will do the last little bit about this video quote if there is a federal employee in your family, make it your new year's resolution to kill them in order to protect your own children. Unquote. And then Moan followed that by quoting from Matthew 10,

21. This is a verse into the new Testament. Brothers and sisters will betray one another and have each other put to death. Parents will betray their own children and children will turn against their parents and have them killed. Unquote. It's interesting. Cause I've heard that cited before. children and children will turn against their parents and have them killed unquote it's interesting because i've heard that cited before and usually it was in like older conspiracies of

the new world order and like yeah that's what they believed the the evil antichrist u.n regime was going to do to them it's fun to hear someone be like that's what we have to kill the families of the people who are i don't think that's what he's actually saying. He's saying like, he's talking about how he has felt betrayed by his own family and by the government. Oh, gotcha.

Okay. That makes sense. This points to like this massive disconnect in his own head. This is the betrayal he's talking about. He is, he is using this verse as a reference to like the end times, but he's saying like, this is the betrayal that as a reference to the end times, but he's saying this is the betrayal that we're seeing. And in response, now we have to do this.

So I'm going to quote from ABC News here. So the U.S. Marshal Service investigated Moan in August of 2023 after he allegedly made a threat against a U.S. District Court judge. The case was closed that same month. He was reported to police pretty frequently for just bizarre behavior in his own neighborhood, like sitting on manhole covers and staring at houses for hours on end. Now, Moan has held conspiratorial and anti-government views for at least seven years and attempted to recruit people to join his Moan's militia on Reddit and Discord, though no one seemed to join. And then at least one Discord server threw him out

because of his repeated recruitment attempts. And after fleeing home, after he posted that video, he drove more than 100 miles north and broke into the Pennsylvania National Guard base with a gun and then was arrested after he was tracked there on his cell phone. There is a song that justin uh wrote about three years ago about being arrested after being tracked on his cell phone after doing violence against his family you think he would have like not had a cell phone on him given that he was

aware of that as a risk but i i don't know if he was really thinking logic like yeah if you watch the video like he like he thinks national guard's going to join him. He's not thinking about it that way. So yeah, I believe Moan has published at this point nine books. I'm going to read from his Amazon About page.

Justin Moan is the author of seven books, now nine, and a musician of three albums and one single. His life story is unbelievable, and there may not be albums and one single. His life story is unbelievable, and there may not be enough words to describe him, but one may begin to understand his complexity and experiences through his art. He only wishes to bring positive change to the world. Now, I will talk about some of those other books after we take a quick ad break here and learn about some important messages from our sponsors.

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sponsored by Gilead, now on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. New episodes every Thursday. The 2025 iHeart Podcast Awards are coming. or wherever you get your podcasts. New episodes every Thursday. December 8th. Hey, you've been doing all that talking. It's time to get rewarded for it. Submit your podcast today at iHeart.com slash podcast awards. That's iHeart.com slash podcast awards. So Justin Moen's bibliography. Here we go. So, I think Robert has one of his books, The Second Messiah, King of Earth. Yeah. There is many other books he's published, including a book called- A startling number.

A book called The Pink. A book called Poems I Wrote While Stoned, a collection of poems. They Will Burn This Book, The Punishing, America's Coming Bloody Revolution, The Kingdom of Darkness, Dark Ages of the Future, a collection of short stories. And finally, The Revolution Leader's Survival Guide, How Schools, Workplaces, and Social Norms Kill the Genius Inside Us All. Not bad at titling, you know?

Pretty effective, good for SEO. I'm on board. Let's start with that last book here. The Revolution Leaders Survival Guide. It targets the quote constraints against education, creativity and human progress throughout history, unquote. And the book is mostly about Moan's own inability to find a high paying enough job after college. This is a reoccurring trend in a lot of his books,

including I believe the one that Robert has. Moan complains about student loans, paying enough job after college. This is a reoccurring trend in a lot of his books, including, I believe, the one that Robert has. Moan complains about student loans, how America's education system is faulty, and talks about being bullied in school as a kid. I'm going to quote from the book's description. The author views the world on the brink of either a golden age of world peace and space colonization, or instead, a second dark age of global wars and depopulation within the next couple of decades, if not sooner. Included within the book is a transcript of a letter Justin Moan wrote to Donald Trump, warning that if America does not go under some great changes,

Moan himself will have to lead a peaceful revolution. In another book titled The Kingdom of Darkness, published on May 13th, 2020, it's a novel about Satan and fallen angels becoming, quote, trapped inside Earth's lowliest creatures after being banished from heaven. He has a whole bunch of other, like, fantasy and sci-fi type books, like aliens, space exploration, a weird collection of genre. In a pamphlet he self-published on Amazon in August of 2020, titled America's Coming Bloody Revolution, the small book contains two chapters, one titled Why a Violent Revolution is Inevitable, and a second titled How Revolution Can Be

Successful. Moan wrote, quote, Americans will have to weigh what is worse, allowing themselves to lose freedom and independence, or killing their own family members, teachers, workers, bosses, judges, elected leaders, and other older generations, unquote. This is where we get a lot

of, like, predictive writing around what he's going to be doing. Moan described older generations as quote, traders who wish to take away the freedom and independence that comes with America, democracy and free market capitalism. Which leads me then to the book that Robert has, the second Messiah, which was published in January of 2020.

It's about a man named Buster Moon who moves from Ohio to Colorado and, quote, painfully learns the dark secret of Colorado from everything containing satanic cults, the Democratic Party, and the Cold War. Now, we will get more into this book specifically in a later episode. I'm going to read a little bit from the back cover. The only thing more absurd than this fiction book is the fact that it's loosely based on the life of author and musician Justin Moan, whose four-year stay in Colorado caused multiple lawsuits, changed the possible outcome of the 2020 U.S. presidential election by exposing three presidential candidates as corrupt, which forced them to drop out of the race. We have more of these presidential del delusions that uh that he was talking about at the end of his beheading video here and in terms of how this mirrors like i said we'll learn more about this book later but i will talk now some about his actual personal life which

will then become slightly reflected in the book like going to colorado springs he graduated from penn state with a business management degree and sued the federal government multiple times for letting him take out student loans that he was forced to pay back. The most recent case was last year, where he sued for $10 million because despite getting a degree with the loans, he was unable to, quote, find a satisfactory job as an overeducated white man to repay the loan, claiming that he was a victim of affirmative action and reverse discrimination, unquote. In a previously dismissed lawsuit against the Department of Education, he alleged that they neglectfully and fraudulently induced him to borrow money to pay for his

education without sufficiently warning him of the possibility that he would face a difficult job market and could be unable to pay back his student loan. So,an did move to Colorado, just like Buster Moon, about 10 years ago, eventually getting a job at Progressive Insurance, but was fired in 2017 for kicking down a door and, quote, breaking the company's code of conduct. Moan then sued Progressive in 2019 for not receiving promotions because he was a man. In his Violent Revolution pamphlet, Moan claims that he was a victim of discrimination from quote, being a top performing, overeducated and overqualified male employee, unquote. And in that same pamphlet, Mohn wrote that his educational employment and legal issues are evident that there is quote, no peaceful solution for the youth to escape debt based enslavement,

unemployment and ultimately imprisonment. He compared his experience to, quote, the Soviet Union's feared gulag prison labor system, in which entire states and countries were essentially turned into concentration camps. Mohn wrote that educators and parents who, quote, knowingly lie, brainwash, and dumb down their youth, unquote, must be killed to prevent the spread of, quote, globalized communism and corporate agendas. This is where we have an interesting combination of, like, anti-communism fears, but also anti-corporatism that you see in some sects of, like, libertarian conservatism.

You sure do. He claims that communism is like a virus and that America must treat it like a virus. Quote, the only logical way to do so is for every american born in 1991 or later to kill anyone born before 1991 unquote well now he's cooking okay okay yeah yeah i'm i'm i'm back on board i'm back on board you know this could work so it just so happens that that was the year that he was born uh-huh yeah yeah logical logical point to divide it on i'd respect it more if he'd been born earlier you know but so i already mentioned

some of his music it had similar predictive elements of he was doing art in almost like in practice of what he was then going to later do in person in terms of carrying out violence as well as just evident of kind of delusional and paranoid thinking. He has a song about being gang-stalked. He has a song about, I think, like a girlfriend who broke up with him. He has songs talking about how it's okay to kill communists and how we're overall seeing a decline in American society. So that is most of what I have to say about Justin Moe, and I could certainly say a whole lot more now on top of my research onto him himself i also wanted to look at the sort of online chatter that neo-nazis and other extremists were saying and i put together hey a large catalog of telegram uh

conversations about justin moan watching the spread of certain conspiracy theories around this incident, and just to see what their overall take was. I will paraphrase my 80-page research document here by saying, it seems most Nazis and other white supremacists or far-right extremists thought that the Justin Mone incident was, quote, fake and gay, unquote. Good to keep up with these thought these thought fluencers really glad that we're getting some of their side many uh other far-right extremists uh took this to be a psyop sure they thought it was an attempt to push forward this anti-militia bill that's being talked about as well as distract from the crisis at the southern border certain white supremacists were uh upset that he used the phrase to judeo-christian values because they are anti-semitic and uh justin moan did not seem

to be consciously anti-semitic yeah and we we had we had these conspiracy theories travel everywhere from standard kind of neo-nazi telegram accounts to more conservative boomer mega type stuff as well, mostly picking up on the anti-militia angle, how this is probably a psyop from the deep state to push forward this anti-militia bill. Some people thought they were very clever in realizing this was a psyop because they thought Justin Moon was 33 years old, and there's this conspiracy theory around the number 33 in a lot of these circles the conspiracy is around how the number 33 is used a lot in like mass shooting incidents now it's not this is just pattern recognition but also moan isn't 33 he's 32 so great great work there and there's specifically

one telegram channel that found a prop head i believe on etsy yeah like a prop severed head yeah we started seeing this spread all over twitter conservative news sites how this has to be fake because look we found we found the fake head they used which is quite simply not the severed head that justin moan's holding up in the video i don't think it's really much useful else to say about these conspiracy theories but uh yeah they certainly were kind of laughing along at some of like the gang stalkery elements thinking you know some people obviously thought he was based and cool for actually doing some of the ideological things that these nazis believe in others thought it was it's just fun to make fun of a guy um so they decided it was a psyop yeah that is uh that most of what I had to say about Justin Moen.

Well, this has been quite an inspiring journey. We are going to have more to say about Justin and finally get into his book, The Second Messiah, King of Earth, which is in a way become my Bible. I think I may keep this in my apocalypse go bag so I can do like a book of Eli with this thing if the world ends. Just be wandering

alone across the wasteland telling everybody about this man's book. I guess, finally the last thing I'll say is that this reminds me of two recent incidents. We had one mass shooting done by a Nazi in Denver, Colorado. He previously wrote

and made short films depicting the murder that he would then do. We also had the Highland Park shooting on July 4th, a few years back, who the person who did that created a lot of music online in this very, like, I would say the Highland Park music was much more in like the schizo wave genre of extremist content. I think the stuff, the stuff that Justin Moen is producing is honestly more like the stuff that schizo wave is like parodying. Like Justin Moen's was a lot more, uh, like sincere, less, less ironic. Uh, it was, it was, it was, it was just like taken at face value.

These two incidents I was reminded of just because of how much those acts of violence were predated by artistic expressions of the later thing that they would end up doing and yeah in moan's case it's exactly the same he has written about killing family members he's written about the exact way he would be arrested and tracked down writing that goes back like four or five years uh this is there's so many people online who have exact who are in this same scenario who are putting out this type of writing no one knows who they are moan had like five listeners on spotify these people are unknown and every once in a while one of them decides that writing about it isn't enough and they actually do it in the real world and it's just this it's

just it's this interesting trend of these people like almost like hyperstitioning these own acts of violence by making art that predates it almost in some form of like preparation. Yeah, yeah. And we talked about hyperstition as a concept a bit in last week's Behind the Bastards. But it is a term for essentially the methods and ways by which things that are fictional become real and it can be kind of as esoteric as the idea of like preparing the way for a godlike ai by like spreading belief and that sort of thing or it can be as direct like as this as somebody envisioning the acts they're going to carry out in fiction and then carrying out those acts for real like it on an individual level what you're doing when you're doing this

is you're kind of you are preparing yourself mentally for the thing that you're going to do and when i would sort of lecture and talk about what to how to know something is like a real threat versus somebody saying shit on the internet. Because that's obviously, that's a real problem when we talk about this. There's a huge quantity of people saying stuff that could be them presaging like an act of violence. And you simply can't go after everything.

And one of the key things for me always is, have they gone and done anything in the real world? So for example if a guy has like been going out and like egging homeless people or like lighting their shit on fire and is also talking about murdering homeless people well that's probably a guy who's going to do something right because he's actively going out in the real world and taking steps he's prepping himself and i think this kind of work, when somebody's written a whole novel about their murder fantasies, obviously, that's not a thing you can

arrest or convict on, but like, nor should it be. But that is somebody who is doing more than bullshitting online. That's somebody who has a fixation that they clearly can't get over. And those do sometimes lead to violence. And so, yeah um i think it's really valid to to look at this as not just a couple of incidents that are troubling but as evidence of a troubling trend yep all right well that does it for us today yeah all right please do not earn your place in heaven by sending a traitor to hell uh early it does not seem to work out very well no earn your place in heaven uh i don't actually have a joke to finish this episode with don't don't commit murder bye it could happen here as a production of cool zone media for more podcasts from cool zone media visit our our website, coolzonemedia.com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

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